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Fedor: ‘I don’t think you’ll see me in the UFC’
July 17, 2009 by Cory Brady
Filed under Breaking News, Fedor Emelianenko
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When is Fedor Emelianenko coming to the UFC? Well, according to “The Last Emperor” himself, the odds of that happening anytime soon aren’t looking too good.
We all know the storyline, The UFC says Fedor’s management is unreasonable, and Fedor’s management feels like the UFC contract is far too restrictive.
The king of the heavyweight division recently echoed his uncertainty that he will ever fight in the UFC in the first of a two part interview with Bas Rutten on Inside MMA.
Fedor’s recent comments come on the heels of a statement by Dana White during the UFC 100 post fight press conference where the UFC president was quoted as saying,”“Eventually Fedor’s going to be here. I want Fedor. I want him to come to the UFC.”
Emelianenko did not share White’s enthusiasm at the prospect in the recent conversation with Rutten.
“At the present time, I don’t think so,” said Fedor. “I don’t think you’ll see me in the UFC, just because the terms, and the manner that those terms are offered are not acceptable today.”
It will be interesting to see how things play out with Emelianenko following his August 1 Affliction showdown with Josh Barnett in regards to where he ends up.
The ball certainly appears to be resting in Fedor’s court at this time because ultimately it’s up to him where he fights.
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you have to admire the guy for standing his ground however disappointing the results may be.
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He's scared of Big Brock.
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He doesn't want to sell his soul to that piece of shit dana white, I commend him for it. The UFC offered him a very strict one sided contract, they want to own his image, rights, and exclusivity, which is b.s Fedor loves his annual Sambo world tournaments, it's his hobby, Basically dana doesn't want Fedor to be seen anywhere doing anything unless it's making the UFC money. I hate him for that, he's not a businessman, a businessman will compromise when/where needed, dana is all one sided and just about the $$$$
The most important thing Fedor revealed about the UFC conditions was: if you keep winning the contract is automatically extended (without option to say no and sign somewhere as a free agent) but as soon as you have one loss the UFC can dump you on your ass... how fair is that shit !?
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i respect fedors principles and how he stands by them, but i have a strange feeling that danas gonna offer fedor some outrages amount of cash like (3 million dollars) for a one fight deal and you know what they say, everyone has a price. i hope fedor holds out till dana loosens up that contract and doesnt ask all those crazy stipulations, i think fedor will stand strong and not sell out
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He's scared of Big Brock.
this shits been goin on since brock was suplexing bozo's in WWE.Believe it or not the fighting world doesn't revolve around Lesner & his few fights.
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this shits been goin on since brock was suplexing bozo's in WWE.Believe it or not the fighting world doesn't revolve around Lesner & his few fights.
Fedor knows damn well he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Brock. Remember when Fedor and Randy was supposed to be the "superfight"? Well after what Brock did to Randy Fedor wisened up and there is no way he will step in the ring with big Brock. His legacy will be a guy with a small following and a few thousand people on the internet claiming he is a God for beating a bunch of cans. Brock on the other hand will be a global superstar.
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Fedor knows damn well he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Brock. Remember when Fedor and Randy was supposed to be the "superfight"? Well after what Brock did to Randy Fedor wisened up and there is no way he will step in the ring with big Brock. His legacy will be a guy with a small following and a few thousand people on the internet claiming he is a God for beating a bunch of cans. Brock on the other hand will be a global superstar.
brock will be KO'd in his very next fight.
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brock will be KO'd in his very next fight.
Other than a small mistake he made in his first fight(which he avenged savagely), no one has even come close to hurting the guy. If Fedor had a pair or balls he would come over and fight Brock. If he is successful the money will come, he is just yellow.
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Other than a small mistake he made in his first fight(which he avenged savagely), no one has even come close to hurting the guy. If Fedor had a pair or balls he would come over and fight Brock. If he is successful the money will come, he is just yellow.
youre joking ;D
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youre joking ;D
No I am not. People thought Cro-Crop was going to come here and destroy the competition, same with Big Nog, look how that turned out.
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Fedor's proven all he needs to. Even if he retired today, he'd still go down as the greatest MMA fighter to ever live. The guy's got a family to provide for and has earned the right to not get fucked in the ass by the Dana White UFC war machine that sticks it to so many fighters. He said years ago that one of his favorite things about the Japanese organizations was that they didn't care about him competing in his sambo tournaments and what not.
It will probably happen in the end. My guess is that the UFC will give him what he wants so they can make the fight happen.
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No I am not. People thought Cro-Crop was going to come here and destroy the competition, same with Big Nog, look how that turned out.
are you saying brock is a super human unstopable force from which all other fighters will crumble in front of?or are you just saying he's the flavor of the month?
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danielson is spot on with his posts.
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Fedor USED to fight top competition. Besides Barnett, he has not fought anyone great in YEARS.
I think Fedor is dodging the UFC. What if he has one fight in the UFC and gets beat?
He is smart to stay away from the UFC. He is also being a pu55y.
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Other than a small mistake he made in his first fight(which he avenged savagely), no one has even come close to hurting the guy. If Fedor had a pair or balls he would come over and fight Brock. If he is successful the money will come, he is just yellow.
Just before the last take down of Mir, Lesnar took some good shots ( a few punches and a couple of knees) and didn't seem phased at all.
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He doesn't want to sell his soul to that piece of shit dana white, I commend him for it. The UFC offered him a very strict one sided contract, they want to own his image, rights, and exclusivity, which is b.s Fedor loves his annual Sambo world tournaments, it's his hobby, Basically dana doesn't want Fedor to be seen anywhere doing anything unless it's making the UFC money. I hate him for that, he's not a businessman, a businessman will compromise when/where needed, dana is all one sided and just about the $$$$
The most important thing Fedor revealed about the UFC conditions was: if you keep winning the contract is automatically extended (without option to say no and sign somewhere as a free agent) but as soon as you have one loss the UFC can dump you on your ass... how fair is that shit !?
spot on :)
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Fedor USED to fight top competition. Besides Barnett, he has not fought anyone great in YEARS.
I think Fedor is dodging the UFC. What if he has one fight in the UFC and gets beat?
He is smart to stay away from the UFC. He is also being a pu55y.
If anything, Brock has proven that the competition in the UFC is a fucking JOKE. The guy has been fighting MMA for a year and he's already far and away the best fighter in the division. That's embarrassing and incredibly pathetic. Affliction has a much better talent pool.
Your UFC dick sucking is amusing, though. Still hammering away at it even at the last time you got owned.
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Dana should dangle a carrot and offer him a one-fight deal with a decent win bonus. If he loses then he can slink back to where he came from, if he wins, the money will be too good to refuse and he'll sign a proper contract.
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Fedor destroyed 5 former ufc champs in their prime and has never lost a fight. Brock has fought 4 mma fights, lost one of them and beaten two washed up old men that he outweighed by 100 pounds. The fact that Brock has a championship belt is a testament to how god awful the heavyweight divsion is in the ufc. Fedor has earned the right to fight according to his terms. Nuff said.
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Fedor destroyed 5 former ufc champs in their prime and has never lost a fight. Brock has fought 4 mma fights, lost one of them and beaten two washed up old men that he outweighed by 100 pounds. The fact that Brock has a championship belt is a testament to how god awful the heavyweight divsion is in the ufc. Fedor has earned the right to fight according to his terms. Nuff said.
Who has Fedor fought recently that wasn't washed up, besides that 145lb Jap? What UFC champ was in his prime when he fought Fedor? LOL.
Personally, I would like to see Fedor in the UFC, but they aren't going to make a special contract just for him and I don't think they are asking anything more from him than they ask of anyone else that signs with them.
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What guy in their prime has Brock fought? Randy at 45? A Nog that has taken beating after beating (albeit winning his fights) for the last 10 years? A 1-1 record against a shitty, shitty fighter named Frank Mir who got hyped up as an above average fighter by the UFC? Seriously, the guy hasn't proven shit. The fact that he's "dominated" the UFC HW division is a testament to how shitty that division is and not how "good" Brock is. He's good for what reason? Beating up Frank Mir? I wouldn't even consider Mir a top 10 HW.
It's funny that most of the people jocking Fedor were the same guys singing Arlovski's and Sylvia's praises. How many former UFC champs does the guy need to beat? He's beaten the best in PRIDE. He's beaten the best UFC HW fighters of this decade.
The guy's earned the right to do what he wants. And I somehow doubt he really gives a shit what all of us think anyway. He fights for his family and himself, not to build up Dana's wallet.
Regardless, Barnett is still probably the third or fourth best HW and could probably give Brock a run for his money. So we'll see how Fedor does against him. It still took the "legendary giant killing" Brock more than a round to beat Frank "LOL I'm Terrible" Mir.
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A Nog that has taken beating after beating (albeit winning his fights) for the last 10 years?
lesnar has'nt fought nog yet !!!!
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lesnar has'nt fought nog yet !!!!
Haha, it's late here. I meant to say Heath Herring. Same thing. Years past his prime and not even a shell of the former fighter he was (who Fedor annihilated when he WAS at his peak).
Either way, the point still stands. Ol' Brock hasn't proven shit. Only thing he's shown is that he's capable of beating the fighters he should be beating.
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to be honest i dont think brock has beaten enough top people yet to be considered the best, if he beats cain and carwin then he needs to fight fedor imo to be called the best out there now
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If anything, Brock has proven that the competition in the UFC is a fucking JOKE. The guy has been fighting MMA for a year and he's already far and away the best fighter in the division. That's embarrassing and incredibly pathetic. Affliction has a much better talent pool.
Your UFC dick sucking is amusing, though. Still hammering away at it even at the last time you got owned.
Are we talking about the same Affliction here...the same one that just had Fedor fight TWO UFC REJECTS? Better talent overall huh :o
It's ok if you don't like the UFC...they have plenty of talent and fans to run MMA.
Little bottom feeders like Affliction are good to have around. They give the fans a reminder of how good the UFC really is.
Affliction is a shitty production all around if you ask me. Besides....Do you think Affliction will ever turn a profit?
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to be honest i dont think brock has beaten enough top people yet to be considered the best, if he beats cain and carwin then he needs to fight fedor imo to be called the best out there now
Agreed 100%...Brock does not deserve to be considered the best. I actually can't stand him and would truly love Fedor to whoop his ass!
Problem is that it appears Fedor is dodging the fight.
I really like Fedor. What I don't like about him is that he has been fighting UFC rejects. Come on...prove your legacy!
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Fedor is scared of the UFC heavies.
Honestly, i could see Mir, Carwin, or Brock beating him.
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Who has Fedor fought recently that wasn't washed up, besides that 145lb Jap? What UFC champ was in his prime when he fought Fedor? LOL.
Personally, I would like to see Fedor in the UFC, but they aren't going to make a special contract just for him and I don't think they are asking anything more from him than they ask of anyone else that signs with them.
He beat Noguera twice when Noguera was in his prime, he beat Cro Cop at his best, he beat Mark Coleman at his best, Randleman at his best, Arlovski who is still in his prime, and on and on and on. Just look at Fedor's first fight with pride and Brocks first fight in the UFC. Fedor won a convincing decision over Heath Herring back when Heath Herring was still a force in the heavyweight division. Brock laid on top of Herring for 3 rounds when Heath was old, washed up and obviously not in shape.
Its not even close dude. Brock has fought nobody and is the champ. Fedor has crushed every single opponent hes faced across the board for 30 fights. Barnett is also a former UFC champ. If Fedor wins, that will make 6.
The UFC heavyweight division is an absolute joke and everyone knows it.
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I keep hearing the term UFC rejects.You guys are aware that the UFC is a private business that can't afford to keep adding fighters without dropping fighters.anotherwards when a new guy is signed theres almost always a fighter dropped.that doesn't mean the fighter dropped is no good anymore it's economics.Barnett,munson,fedor,Silvia,arvloski,lashley and more could step in the UFC right now and beat at least half of the heavyweights currently signed by UFC.same goes for other weight classes with guys like Vitor Belfort,Nick Diaz.some of you guys are not educated on the intricacies of a business like this.there are tons of great fighters outside the UFC and guess what when and If they sign a UFC contract.some of the UFC fighters your bragging about now will be dropped.then you'll be calling them UFC rejects.
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is "big L dawg" gracie BJJ ? I recognize the lack of spaces between his sentences
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I keep hearing the term UFC rejects.You guys are aware that the UFC is a private business that can't afford to keep adding fighters without dropping fighters.anotherwards when a new guy is signed theres almost always a fighter dropped.that doesn't mean the fighter dropped is no good anymore it's economics.Barnett,munson,fedor,Silvia,arvloski,lashley and more could step in the UFC right now and beat at least half of the heavyweights currently signed by UFC.same goes for other weight classes with guys like Vitor Belfort,Nick Diaz.some of you guys are not educated on the intricacies of a business like this.there are tons of great fighters outside the UFC and guess what when and If they sign a UFC contract.some of the UFC fighters your bragging about now will be dropped.then you'll be calling them UFC rejects.
Great statement....
fighter's are fighter's..
stop with the rejects crap ;D
UFC does not have the best HW division...
you guys need to wake up... ;D
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I keep hearing the term UFC rejects.You guys are aware that the UFC is a private business that can't afford to keep adding fighters without dropping fighters.anotherwards when a new guy is signed theres almost always a fighter dropped.that doesn't mean the fighter dropped is no good anymore it's economics.Barnett,munson,fedor,Silvia,arvloski,lashley and more could step in the UFC right now and beat at least half of the heavyweights currently signed by UFC.same goes for other weight classes with guys like Vitor Belfort,Nick Diaz.some of you guys are not educated on the intricacies of a business like this.there are tons of great fighters outside the UFC and guess what when and If they sign a UFC contract.some of the UFC fighters your bragging about now will be dropped.then you'll be calling them UFC rejects.
This is complete B.S. Are you seriously telling me that the UFC can't afford something LOL!! Sylvia and Arvloski got cut after losses...therefore they could not put on competitive/entertaining fights in the UFC. They were also asking for more money than they are worth. How much do you think T.Sylvia could get these days???
Do you really even follow MMA? Sylvia just got destroyed by old man Mercer and Arvloski just got knocked out for the 100th time in his career :o
That screams REJECT if you ask me. It seems to me that you are just a UFC hater and you allow this to cloud your memory
That's ok...you are a minority in the MMA world. Keep fighting it. The UFC runs it!
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Great statement....
fighter's are fighter's..
stop with the rejects crap ;D
UFC does not have the best HW division...
you guys need to wake up... ;D
Fedor knows that 'if' he could win Brock it would cement his legacy. Too bad he knows the risks. If he loses to a guy with only a few career fights it would really look bad. Better off to just avoid it and dodge the UFC. Fedor is smart.
Fedor is in a no win situation with Brock...If he wins people say he was supposed to. If he loses his legacy is tarnished.
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actually they didn't .. Affliction offered them more money..
Dana was quoted as saying that he really wanted to resign the pitbull..
and that tim Silvia will always be welcomed back when his Affliction deal was over..
so much for rejetcs..
you can youtube as its on a espn radio interview..
if i find it ill posted for you ;)
so much for the word rejects you guys have been using. ;)
If that was the case of the term Rejects... Dana would of gotten Rid of Chuck Lidell a while back
as he has lost his last 5 fights with at least 4 by knockout ;D
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Fedor knows that 'if' he could win Brock it would cement his legacy. Too bad he knows the risks. If he loses to a guy with only a few career fights it would really look bad. Better off to just avoid it and dodge the UFC. Fedor is smart.
Fedor is in a no win situation with Brock...If he wins people say he was supposed to. If he loses his legacy is tarnished.
Fedor will always be considered the best regardless 4-1 Brock lessnar..
I'm on vacation next week ;D
On my way to LA For the Affliction Event ;D
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;) ;) ;) ;)
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actually they didn't .. Affliction offered them more money..
Dana was quoted as saying that he really wanted to resign the pitbull..
and that tim Silvia will always be welcomed back when his Affliction deal was over..
so much for rejetcs..
you can youtube as its on a espn radio interview..
if i find it ill posted for you ;)
so much for the word rejects you guys have been using. ;)
If that was the case of the term Rejects... Dana would of gotten Rid of Chuck Lidell a while back
as he has lost his last 5 fights with at least 4 by knockout ;D
Remeber this Dana statement.... http://urdirt.com/2009/06/16/pot-shot-dana-white-on-tim-sylvia-returning-to-the-ufc-are-you-kidding-me/ (http://urdirt.com/2009/06/16/pot-shot-dana-white-on-tim-sylvia-returning-to-the-ufc-are-you-kidding-me/)
By Michael Pepper
UFC President, Dana White is so disgusted with the recent performances of former heavyweight champion, Tim Sylvia, he is only going to allow a return to the roster if he is successful on a future season of “The Ultimate Fighter”.
Speaking this week following Sylvia’s nine second loss to Ray Mercer, White said:
“Are you kidding me, he seriously wants to return to the UFC? He hasn’t won a fight in years and when he did he usually put eveyone to sleep, the only time he’s in an exciting fight is when he’s getting his [expletive] ass handed to him.”
“Look, he just got beat by a near 50 year old in under 10 [expletive] seconds, how do you expect to be taken seriously after that? he just made MMA look like a complete joke. If he has any hopes of ending his career in (the) UFC he will have to go on TUF, there’s no other way he’s getting in.”
Sylvia is having the worst week of his career following the loss to Mercer. He was also cut from the Affliction: Trilogy card on August 1st where he was set to face Paul Buentello.
And Chuck puts asses in seats and win or lose puts on good fights. No comparison. Regardless Sylvia and Arvloski suck. That is fact.
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Fedor will always be considered the best regardless 4-1 Brock lessnar..
I'm on vacation next week ;D
On my way to LA For the Affliction Event ;D
Enjoy the event. It will most likely be the last!!
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lol..
good point on the previous email you posted... ;)
A fight is fight ..
and Affliction has a stacked card for next week..
too me it doesn't matter who the Organization is..
I'm pretty sure there will be an Affliction 4 ;D
Fedor vs. Barnett will be better main event than Brock vs. mir ;)
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are you saying brock is a super human unstopable force from which all other fighters will crumble in front of?or are you just saying he's the flavor of the month?
lmao ;D
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lol..
good point on the previous email you posted... ;)
A fight is fight ..
and Affliction has a stacked card for next week..
too me it doesn't matter who the Organization is..
I'm pretty sure there will be an Affliction 4 ;D
Fedor vs. Barnett will be better main event than Brock vs. mir ;)
I have nothing against Affliction and hope they can succeed. It is good for MMA. The more the merrier.
I like Fedor...and hope he can come to the UFC and whoop Brocks ass.
I just want Fedor to beat big names and show the world how good he STILL is.
The only place this can happen is in the UFC. UFC has the biggest names in MMA.
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He beat Noguera twice when Noguera was in his prime, he beat Cro Cop at his best, he beat Mark Coleman at his best, Randleman at his best, Arlovski who is still in his prime, and on and on and on. Just look at Fedor's first fight with pride and Brocks first fight in the UFC. Fedor won a convincing decision over Heath Herring back when Heath Herring was still a force in the heavyweight division. Brock laid on top of Herring for 3 rounds when Heath was old, washed up and obviously not in shape.
Its not even close dude. Brock has fought nobody and is the champ. Fedor has crushed every single opponent hes faced across the board for 30 fights. Barnett is also a former UFC champ. If Fedor wins, that will make 6.
The UFC heavyweight division is an absolute joke and everyone knows it.
Yes Fedor did all those things.......how long ago? What has he done recently?
Along the lines of your comparisons, that black dude beat Arlovski in like 20 seconds, it took Fedor almost 3 minutes..... black guy> Fedor.
And all those people are former UFC guys cause they couldn't cut it in the UFC, if they were still good and winning, they would still be there. ;)
I'm not saying UFC has the best HW or not, I'm saying how can Fedor keep saying he's the best when he is fighting washed up has beens ???
If Fedor had fought and beaten Randy, everyone would be jumping up and down screaming about how great Fedor is, Brock beats Randy and suddenly he's a washed up old guy.........LOL ;D
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i hear what your saying- but think about it. Outside of Brock (and only because he just beat Mir) and Shane Carwin ( because he hasn't lost yet), who else in the UFC is even on the level of a Josh Barnett or an Andrei Arlovski?
I feel that regardless of where Fedor is, he can only beat the guys he is assigned to fight. He has fought quality opponents in the vast majority of his fights; Coming to the UFC would not have made any difference in the quality of his opponents imo. Is Frank Mir that great? Obviously not- ( and i didnt think he was prior to the thrashing he recieved from Brock). Is a 42 year old Randy Coture? Hell no. Kongo? Ehhh. There is nobody in the UFC heavyweight division that is what I would characterize as head and shoulders above who Fedor has fought in recent years.
I think in the end Brock beats Carwin and Fedor beats Barnett and they will have to fight eventually.
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Everyone keeps talking about how great Barnett is suppose to be but the last fight I saw him in, he looked absolutely terrible. This will be a cakewalk for Fedor, mark my words.
Andre Arlovski hasn't been any good for years, I can't remember the last fight he had that stands out. :-\
Alot of these "former" UFC HW champs were only champs because the division is so piss poor. And it's not just UFC HW division, it's the entire MMA field of HW's that is piss poor, so if you divide up the guys that are exciting/good to watch, you get even less in one organization.
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I'd pick barnett to beat Lesnar....
Barnett's a pretty damned big boy !
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I'd pick barnett to beat Lesnar....
Barnett's a pretty damned big boy !
i agree geo, josh has got insane subs for a big man, excellent wrestling and takedown defense, a rock hard jaw imo and hes not intimidated by no one. thats why i like barnett cause hes a fighter in the true sense. josh has got a way better guard then mir and brock will have his hands full
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It would be cool if Barnett did beat Fedor. Then we would not even care where Fedor went.
Barnett would go to the UFC in a heartbeat....but highly doubt he will get past Fedor.
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It would be cool if Barnett did beat Fedor. Then we would not even care where Fedor went.
Barnett would go to the UFC in a heartbeat....but highly doubt he will get past Fedor.
are you about done with this little 'fedor sucks" tantrum you're having...
the whole subject of "fedor" is starting to make you look like 10 year old idiot..
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He beat Noguera twice when Noguera was in his prime, he beat Cro Cop at his best, he beat Mark Coleman at his best, Randleman at his best, Arlovski who is still in his prime, and on and on and on. Just look at Fedor's first fight with pride and Brocks first fight in the UFC. Fedor won a convincing decision over Heath Herring back when Heath Herring was still a force in the heavyweight division. Brock laid on top of Herring for 3 rounds when Heath was old, washed up and obviously not in shape.
Its not even close dude. Brock has fought nobody and is the champ. Fedor has crushed every single opponent hes faced across the board for 30 fights. Barnett is also a former UFC champ. If Fedor wins, that will make 6.
The UFC heavyweight division is an absolute joke and everyone knows it.
Not even a good Heath Herring. Fedor beat him when Heath was arguably the best HW in the world next to Nog. The Japanese press machine was already hyping a gigantic title fight between him and Nog after he beat Fedor. Only thing that screwed that up was the coming of Fedor the Terrible as he decimated a Heath Herring who was in his prime. Completely annihilated.
Brock had to lay on a 7 year older version of Heath that passed his prime 3-4 years ago. ::)
I'd pick barnett to beat Lesnar....
Barnett's a pretty damned big boy !
As would I. Aleks would give Brock a run with his size and ridiculously fast hands also.
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are you about done with this little 'fedor sucks" tantrum you're having...
the whole subject of "fedor" is starting to make you look like 10 year old idiot..
You are in this thread with me...what does that say about yourself :o
Did you even read my last post..I said Fedor will most likely win Barnett.
Are you the 10 year old idiot that can't read ;D
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He doesn't want to sell his soul to that piece of shit dana white, I commend him for it. The UFC offered him a very strict one sided contract, they want to own his image, rights, and exclusivity, which is b.s Fedor loves his annual Sambo world tournaments, it's his hobby, Basically dana doesn't want Fedor to be seen anywhere doing anything unless it's making the UFC money. I hate him for that, he's not a businessman, a businessman will compromise when/where needed, dana is all one sided and just about the $$$$
The most important thing Fedor revealed about the UFC conditions was: if you keep winning the contract is automatically extended (without option to say no and sign somewhere as a free agent) but as soon as you have one loss the UFC can dump you on your ass... how fair is that shit !?
I agree and I wouldn't want to see the UFC monopolizing MMA.
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I agree and I wouldn't want to see the UFC monopolizing MMA.
The UFC signs exclusive contracts just like MOST professional sports. The athlete is always an investment.
I don't get how this is a monopoly? The UFC has brand recognition,what if Fedor fights outside of the UFC and gets beat or injured?
Their investment just lost value didn't it.
Look at Tim Sylvia...he fought outside of Affliction and got humiliated by Mercer and got dropped from the card on Aug.1.
The UFC is smart by making sure the Sylvia situation does not happen by signing exclusive contracts.
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The acronyms UFC and MMA are now becoming interchangeable. It was sold for a few million $'s years ago and now its projected worth is over a billion. It's slowly and surely taking in all the best fighters.
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The acronyms UFC and MMA are now becoming interchangeable. It was sold for a few million $'s years ago and now its projected worth is over a billion. It's slowly and surely taking in all the best fighters.
Nothing wrong with this at all...Again, this is what has happened in all successful sport organizations and everyone is fine with it. We have the NFL,MLB,NHL.NBA,etc....what is wrong with having one hugely successful organization in MMA with all the best fighters?
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Nothing wrong with this at all...Again, this is what has happened in all successful sport organizations and everyone is fine with it. We have the NFL,MLB,NHL.NBA,etc....what is wrong with having one hugely successful organization in MMA with all the best fighters?
I don't want Dana White controlling it all. I like the different flavors, with the organizations in Japan and here in the US.
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I don't want Dana White controlling it all. I like the different flavors, with the organizations in Japan and here in the US.
He does not control it ALL. He just controls the 'big leagues' and the others orgs are free to do as they wish as 'amateurs'.
I think it is great that there are different orgs, it also challenges the UFC to be bigger and better all the time.
Great for MMA as a whole.
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Compare this to the bullshit "rebels" like Lee Priest, who sign first and then cry about it.
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I don't get how this is a monopoly? The UFC has brand recognition, what if Fedor fights outside of the UFC and gets beat or injured?
Their investment just lost value didn't it.
Why can't an injury clause be negotiated between Fedor and Dana White? Something along the lines of:
"Fedor, just guarantee us 2 fights a year and feel free to fight in Sambo, etc. However ... IF you get injured/lose fighting elsewhere you will then lose a chunk of your salary for not honoring your 2 fight commitment to the UFC."
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Why can't an injury clause be negotiated between Fedor and Dana White? Something along the lines of:
"Fedor, just guarantee us 2 fights a year and feel free to fight in Sambo, etc. However ... IF you get injured/lose fighting elsewhere you will then lose a chunk of your salary for not honoring your 2 fight commitment to the UFC."
It doesn't work like that. Here is an example:
Let's say Fedor destroys Brock or whoever the UFC champion is, then while champion Fedor fights in sambo and destroys his knee and will be out a year or more. That leaves the UFC with a second place champion.
Fedor could very well get injured the same way while fighting in the UFC, but at least they will still be making money on the fight he gets injured in.
In Sambo they take a double loss.
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wasn't randy beating brock until he got caught?
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It doesn't work like that. Here is an example:
Let's say Fedor destroys Brock or whoever the UFC champion is, then while champion Fedor fights in sambo and destroys his knee and will be out a year or more. That leaves the UFC with a second place champion.
Fedor could very well get injured the same way while fighting in the UFC, but at least they will still be making money on the fight he gets injured in.
In Sambo they take a double loss.
I respect your argument.... but didn't this already happen? Mir broke Tim Silva's arm and won the UFC title belt. Mir then broke his leg on his Harley Davidson (not a UFC event) and we had an "Interim champ" while he healed?
"The show must go on" ... and Dana had others fight for the UFC title. Mir healed and returned to challenge for the title. Throw in the media hype ....and you have even more PPV buys?
So, surely the same would happen for Fedor... if (big IF) he injured himself in Sambo, etc? The clause I mentioned earlier is just smart business .... it benefits Dana .... and Fedor? They both win financially? It seems so simple to me?
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hypothetically,given Fedors reputation,if he were to win the UFC title and get hurt in a SAMBO competition,I think if dana were to propose and "interim" heavyweight title again it would'nt go over like the last one did....
in fact, I think most fans would consider it a slap in the face to be expected to pay for a card that offered an interim heavyweight title fight again...
I know I would...
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I respect your argument.... but didn't this already happen? Mir broke Tim Silva's arm and won the UFC title belt. Mir then broke his leg on his Harley Davidson (not a UFC event) and we had an "Interim champ" while he healed?
"The show must go on" ... and Dana had others fight for the UFC title. Mir healed and returned to challenge for the title. Throw in the media hype ....and you have even more PPV buys?
So, surely the same would happen for Fedor... if (big IF) he injured himself in Sambo, etc? The clause I mentioned earlier is just smart business .... it benefits Dana .... and Fedor? They both win financially? It seems so simple to me?
I respect yours as well...nice to see someone with some sensible opinions :)
The UFC's fear of an interim champ is not the issue. Mir also broke his leg in a non-fighting related freak accident. Can happen to anyone although rare. Fedor competing in another combat sport is greatly increasing his chances of getting hurt. Why would the UFC want to INCREASE his chances of getting hurt.
Fedor is a different situation entirely. The interim title really isn't the issue with Fedor. The UFC has built a big name in the UFC. Fedor is not really a big name to the casual UFC fan. By signing Fedor they are really investing in him so that one day he can be popular. For them to invest and build up Fedor's name and then have him use that same name to support another org is not good business sense. That is the UFC's issue.
The main issue is they don't want another org to use his name after they spend a lot of money to get him in the UFC. Besides, if Fedor signs with the UFC his popularity will instanly increase.
Check this interview out with Lorenzo Fertitta on Fedor starting with question 2.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/10-questions-for-lorenzo-fertitta-18516 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/10-questions-for-lorenzo-fertitta-18516)
Interested in hearing your thoughts.
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hypothetically,given Fedors reputation,if he were to win the UFC title and get hurt in a SAMBO competition,I think if dana were to propose and "interim" heavyweight title again it would'nt go over like the last one did....
in fact, I think most fans would consider it a slap in the face to be expected to pay for a card that offered an interim heavyweight title fight again...
I know I would...
Good point, Geo.... so then Dana simply has to accomodate by charging $29.99 for the PPV instead of $49,99. And Dana keeps Kongo, Cain and Carwin in the wings as a possibly needed "fill-in" ...ready for any such possible injury on the main card? At least Dana KEEPS the card and makes some money as he offers a "discount" to fans? Fans will still buy the "discount" PPV ... they want to see at least Brock and/or Fedor fight someone in the main card?
It's better than losing the WHOLE card like the Fedor-Barnett Affliction card, yes? (What a disaster that has been?) And ..... once again... everyone's happy...?
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Fedor is not really a big name to the casual UFC fan.
there is no "casual ufc fan" these days...
that term went in to the shitter about a year ago...
anyone interested in MMA now knows the history of MMA, and knows Fedor is perceived as the best in the world and that the UFC heavy's will be incomplete until fedor shows up
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The main issue is they don't want another org to use his name after they spend a lot of money to get him in the UFC. Besides, if Fedor signs with the UFC his popularity will instanly increase.
Check this interview out with Lorenzo Fertitta on Fedor starting with question 2.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/10-questions-for-lorenzo-fertitta-18516 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/10-questions-for-lorenzo-fertitta-18516)
Interested in hearing your thoughts.
This is a good discussion. Thanks for the link ... I have nothing but respect for the Fertitta brothers.... they bought the UFC for $2million and after being in the hole for minus 40$mill they now have it positioned at $1.5BILLION. How can you not respect that?
That said .... I think Fertitta should admit that the UFC needs Fedor as much as Fedor needs the UFC? It's not one-sided at all? Fedor will fade into oblivion without the UFC ...and the UFC Heavyweight title will never gain credibility (nor HUGE PPV numbers) without Fedor?
Since Fedor wants a little freedom to fight Sambo a compromise should be met? As Fertitta said... "write in a clause where 90-120 days before a UFC commitment Fedor cannot fight Sambo and risk injury"?
Fedor is not like any other MMA fighter.... This has to be signed down the middle. And everyone wins?
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This is a good discussion. Thanks for the link ... I have nothing but respect for the Fertitta brothers.... they bought the UFC for $2million and after being in the hole for minus 40$mill they now have it positioned at $1.5BILLION. How can you not respect that?
That said .... I think Fertitta should admit that the UFC needs Fedor as much as Fedor needs the UFC? It's not one-sided at all? Fedor will fade into oblivion without the UFC ...and the UFC Heavyweight title will never gain credibility (nor HUGE PPV numbers) without Fedor?
Since Fedor wants a little freedom to fight Sambo a compromise should be met? As Fertitta said... "write in a clause where 90-120 days before a UFC commitment Fedor cannot fight Sambo and risk injury"?
Fedor is not like any other MMA fighter.... This has to be signed down the middle. And everyone wins?
I agree the UFC needs Fedor as much as he needs them. I truly don't think that sambo is the only issue. I think Fedor wants to fight in dream as well if he wants...but I can't be certain on that.
Either way, as a fan, I want to see ALL the best fighters in one org...UFC or not. I also would like to see Fedor come to the UFC, beat Brocks ass and show everyone what a real HW Mixed Martial Artist is.
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there is no "casual ufc fan" these days...
that term went in to the shitter about a year ago...
anyone interested in MMA now knows the history of MMA, and knows Fedor is perceived as the best in the world and that the UFC heavy's will be incomplete until fedor shows up
I disagree with you on that. There are plenty of fans that just watch UFC unleashed and UFC ppv's that know nothing about Fedor or anything outside of the UFC.
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Either way, as a fan, I want to see ALL the best fighters in one org...UFC or not. I also would like to see Fedor come to the UFC, beat Brocks ass and show everyone what a real HW Mixed Martial Artist is.
Only problem with that line of thinking is............ Big Brock is too good, too big, too strong, too skilled, even for Fedor these days.
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Only problem with that line of thinking is............ Big Brock is too good, too big, too strong, too skilled, even for Fedor these days.
Valid point.
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Only problem with that line of thinking is............ Big Brock is too good, too big, too strong, too skilled, even for Fedor these days.
Brock wont even hold on to the belt long enough to defend it against Fedor.
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Brock wont even hold on to the belt long enough to defend it against Fedor.
Who do you see taking it? Seriously?
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There's a lot of people in here saying how Fedor would just walk in and beat Brock. Are these the same people who said Shogun and CroCop would dominate when they came to the UFC?
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There's a lot of people in here saying how Fedor would just walk in and beat Brock. Are these the same people who said Shogun and CroCop would dominate when they came to the UFC?
the argument is still the same, the problem is that they didnt fought on UFC the same way they used to fight on Pride...why, well there are a lot of theories...
of course, if Fedor comes to UFC fighting like a b*tch he will loose bad, but he is too inteligent to do such a mistake...a 60% Fedor will dominate UFC easily
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if fedor ever loses (and he probably will because all fighters lose) his haters will say he was overrated all along ::)
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Who do you see taking it? Seriously?
I see Carwin beating him....But in all honesty could be anyone.You guys that are setting him up to be some sort of unstopable force don't know your fighting history very well.Everyone/anyone can be beatin on any givin night.
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I see Carwin beating him....But in all honesty could be anyone.You guys that are setting him up to be some sort of unstopable force don't know your fighting history very well.Everyone/anyone can be beatin on any givin night.
As proven by his loss to Mir. ::)
The only way Carwin beats Brock is if he gets a clean shot in before Brock takes him down.
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As proven by his loss to Mir. ::)
The only way Carwin beats Brock is if he gets a clean shot in before Brock takes him down.
brocks not gonna have that huge advantage over shane on the mat like he will with most other guys in the division....
Carwins damn near as meaty as brock, and I'm pretty sure he wrestled in D-I too...
I know we hav'nt seen much of brock's hands standing, but I'm still gonna give the slight edge to carwin there..
Carwins a proven puncher when things are standing while brock is'nt.....not yet anyways
it's all a moot point until Carwin gets past velasquez anyways
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I thought Carwin was DII, but I could be mistaken.
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I thought Carwin was DII, but I could be mistaken.
you're right D-II.....
2 time runner up and then champ....
played football too
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I see Carwin beating him....But in all honesty could be anyone.You guys that are setting him up to be some sort of unstopable force don't know your fighting history very well.Everyone/anyone can be beatin on any givin night.
I agree Brock will be beaten eventually...he is a one trick pony. We have not even seen him stand up with anyone for more than a few moments. Every time he stands up he starts to show his weakness.
Carwin is the man for the job IMO...unless Fedor wants to actually fight someone that will challenge him ;D
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Everyone/anyone can be beatin on any givin night.
Even Fedor?
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Even Fedor?
Yep even Fedor will fall...unless he retires real soon.
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Yep even Fedor will fall...unless he retires real soon.
I think Lesnar might overpower him. Conversely, I think Fedor is the only one I can see maybe neutralizing Brock's power.
Interesting either way.
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I think Lesnar might overpower him. Conversely, I think Fedor is the only one I can see maybe neutralizing Brock's power.
Interesting either way.
Exactly.Very Interesting fight regardless. That is what I don't get...
People here are praising Fedor for staying away from the UFC. Why?
The UFC may not have ALL the best HW's, but they do have
the capability of putting on the most exciting match-ups.
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Exactly.Very Interesting fight regardless. That is what I don't get...
People here are praising Fedor for staying away from the UFC. Why?
The UFC may not have ALL the best HW's, but they do have
the capability of putting on the most exciting match-ups.
UFC has the worst HW division they've ever had...
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UFC has the worst HW division they've ever had...
Why all the UFC hate? They put on more shows than anyone else.
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Why all the UFC hate? They put on more shows than anyone else.
That's the whole godamn problem!!!! they have a show every godamn month, they're starting to make the same mistake WWE made about 10 years ago, they went from having 4 major PPV a year to like 26 and it killed the matchups and depleted the talent pool. This is what the ufc is doing, this is why we have main events like we've been having the last couple of years, completely sub-par.
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I'd sorta like to see Fedor's bro against Brock, but I think he's infected.
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That's the whole godamn problem!!!! they have a show every godamn month, they're starting to make the same mistake WWE made about 10 years ago, they went from having 4 major PPV a year to like 26 and it killed the matchups and depleted the talent pool. This is what the ufc is doing, this is why we have main events like we've been having the last couple of years, completely sub-par.
How can you compare WWE from 10 years ago to the UFC? Completely different on so many levels.
The UFC is bigger than ever...Besides I think the UFC knows what they are doing.
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How can you compare WWE from 10 years ago to the UFC? Completely different on so many levels.
The UFC is bigger than ever...Besides I think the UFC knows what they are doing.
No shit, they "know" what they're doing. They're in it to maximize profits. Not put on good cards. That's the problem.
Back when they were competing against Pride almost every card was legitimate. Now they just throw together 10 fighters and call it a card because the fanboys will shell out $50 a month for it.
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No shit, they "know" what they're doing. They're in it to maximize profits. Not put on good cards. That's the problem.
Back when they were competing against Pride almost every card was legitimate. Now they just throw together 10 fighters and call it a card because the fanboys will shell out $50 a month for it.
You ever think you are the only one that feels this way. Not every card is going to be the greatest ever.
That is the nature of MMA.
If the UFC cards are all so bad, why do people continue to buy them?
Your feelings are a minority.
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If the UFC cards are all so bad, why do people continue to buy them?
I buy every stinking one, sometimes don't even know who's fighting.