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This 3 part lecture filmed over 16 years ago in Fresno, CA 1994 is indicative of what?
- A) Farrakhan's prophetic ability?
- B) Farrakhan's wisdom, insight, & powers of observation?
- C) A Conspiracy against America that Farrakhan willingly discloses to those willing to listen?
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part 1:
part 2:
part 3:
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You wish!
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You wish!
It is not a wish, it is a FACT!!!....Oooops I forgot to add my vote...Definitely D All Of The Above. The man has laid it out for all the world to see 16 years before it happened. I saw a documentary by David Icke (who is hated also) who about 16 years ago also pointed out the coming NWO and financial disaster to the world. Now we see it unfolding before our eyes, yet many still don't want to believe it. I guess not accepting that reality keeps them in a peaceful mindset....
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You wish!
Considering this talk was given 16 yrs ago, would you say the answer is A, B, C, or D?
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I think he's a nut bag. People are always prophesizing our doom. Many pray for it, some long for it, and some who live on the fringes think they have insider knowledge.
It never happens. We keep ticking and growing.
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I think he's a nut bag. People are always prophesizing our doom. Many pray for it, some long for it, and some who live on the fringes think they have insider knowledge.
It never happens. We keep ticking and growing.
Did you view and listen to the contents of those clips?
If so? considering the fact that he made these statements 16 years ago,
...would you consider them to be A, b, c, or D?
Sheesh! Does EVERYONE have a reading comprehension problem? ::)
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:D
E.) None of the above
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I think he's a nut bag.
What about part 1 makes you say so?
What about part 2 makes you say so?
What about part 3 makes you say so?
People are always prophesizing our doom. Many pray for it, some long for it, and some who live on the fringes think they have insider knowledge.
It never happens. We keep ticking and growing.
Is there not an enormous trade deficit between USA & Asia.
Is not Asia the fastest growing economy in the world?
Is China, not the only super economy that has retained the right to print it's own currency and not get it from the Federal Reserve. Would that not indicate a superior knowledge of mathematics and financial principles?
Is the USA really ticking and growing? I can understand the ticking part, ...but isn't a tick usually the first signs before outright spasms & convulsions? Surely you do not believe the USA is growing?
Feel free to re-watch each video individually and break each one down as you see fit.
Patiently awaiting a detailed, reasoned, and thoughtful response. :)
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What about part 1 makes you say so?
What about part 2 makes you say so?
What about part 3 makes you say so?
Is there not an enormous trade deficit between USA & Asia.
Is not Asia the fastest growing economy in the world?
Is China, not the only super economy that has retained the right to print it's own currency and not get it from the Federal Reserve. Would that not indicate a superior knowledge of mathematics and financial principles?
Is the USA really ticking and growing? I can understand the ticking part, ...but isn't a tick usually the first signs before outright spasms & convulsions? Surely you do not believe the USA is growing?
Feel free to re-watch each video individually and break each one down as you see fit.
Patiently awaiting a detailed, reasoned, and thoughtful response. :)
I posted these vids and others from Farrakhan some time ago and the most they garnered were calls of antisemite from the dummies. Farrakhan is like the prophets of old.. they too were called names, had rocks thrown at them, were hated, beaten and disbelieved by the masses until plagues came, fire from the sky came, diseases came, famines came and even a world wide flood...and despite all the warnings and signs they refused to believe or even ponder the thought that what they were hearing might be coming to pass until it was too late....
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After I say this i can understand if you don't want to talk about it anymore because of my unwillingness to sit and watch this hate mongering nut bag for 30 minutes of my life and how that might invalidate anything i have to say about it in your eyes. (that's OK though, I still like you and think you are a very interesting "enthusiastic" person who is fun to talk with) There is very little that jack ass could say or do that would give him any kind of credibility IMO.
However i did listen to the first few sentences when he talked about about vanity and greed. Give me a fucking break. Are we at church? Speaking of vanity, nice suit. Speaking of greed, greed works both ways. It creates economies, trade, wealth, jobs etc. and it also takes them. So what else is new? So don't expect me to listen to 30 minutes of cheap church style manipulation aimed at my guilt emotions.
Let's look at your points or his or whatever:
Trade deficit. Wow, as if that's never been talked about in the last 16 years by talking heads, economists, on forums etc. ::)
Asia fastest growing economy in the world. So what? Its about time they stopped being so third world. Its a good thing. We can only climb as high as our dead weight lets us.
China. They are slowly entering in full into capitalism. Most of their country is still knee deep in problems. Give them a few more decades and they will be doing the same dam thing. We've just been at it longer.
America growing. We are in a cycle, similar to other ones where our doom was predicted. And as before we will cycle up and then cycle down and over and over again.
And there will people who will try and pray on people moral conscience by predicting shit.
Luis is a disgrace and there's nothing special or unique about what he "predicted".
Point is, (my point) is that there is nothing prophetic about what he said. If he said, 16 years ago, Barrack Obama would be president in 2008 and the stock market would crash on a specific day, then maybe.
PS: I found a rain dance that works... ;D ::)
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After I say this i can understand if you don't want to talk about it anymore because of my unwillingness to sit and watch this hate mongering nut bag for 30 minutes of my life and how that might invalidate anything i have to say about it in your eyes. (that's OK though, I still like you and think you are a very interesting "enthusiastic" person who is fun to talk with) There is very little that jack ass could say or do that would give him any kind of credibility IMO.
However i did listen to the first few sentences when he talked about about vanity and greed. Give me a fucking break. Are we at church? Speaking of vanity, nice suit. Speaking of greed, greed works both ways. It creates economies, trade, wealth, jobs etc. and it also takes them. So what else is new? So don't expect me to listen to 30 minutes of cheap church style manipulation aimed at my guilt emotions.
Let's look at your points or his or whatever:
Trade deficit. Wow, as if that's never been talked about in the last 16 years by talking heads, economists, on forums etc. ::)
Asia fastest growing economy in the world. So what? Its about time they stopped being so third world. Its a good thing. We can only climb as high as our dead weight lets us.
China. They are slowly entering in full into capitalism. Most of their country is still knee deep in problems. Give them a few more decades and they will be doing the same dam thing. We've just been at it longer.
America growing. We are in a cycle, similar to other ones where our doom was predicted. And as before we will cycle up and then cycle down and over and over again.
And there will people who will try and pray on people moral conscience by predicting shit.
Luis is a disgrace and there's nothing special or unique about what he "predicted".
Point is, (my point) is that there is nothing prophetic about what he said. If he said, 16 years ago, Barrack Obama would be president in 2008 and the stock market would crash on a specific day, then maybe.
PS: I found a rain dance that works... ;D ::)
Ozmo most of what you wrote is not even worth the time you took to type it, but opinions are like assholes...everyone has one. Just keep this in your mind...somewhere. The warnings are everywhere and have come from many in places near and far. You don't have to listen but at least hear someone out to the end. You admit to only hearing a few lines and then turning the video off...WHY? Is the truth that disturbing? Many don't want to accept the reality of a matter, but doing so allows a person to deal with and maybe even change the outcome.... but if you will not even hear out what the issues are, how then can you address them and certainly how can you even think to change them? It is up to you, your time is short and everything is working against america at this junction, you all can either make things go in the direction you want, but you must first identify the problems: Or you can deny every thing, say everything will workout, cross your fingers and hope for the best and end up in an even WORST CONDITION. You will have no one to blame but yourself.
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After I say this i can understand if you don't want to talk about it anymore because of my unwillingness to sit and watch this hate mongering nut bag for 30 minutes of my life and how that might invalidate anything i have to say about it in your eyes. (that's OK though, I still like you and think you are a very interesting "enthusiastic" person who is fun to talk with) There is very little that jack ass could say or do that would give him any kind of credibility IMO.
However i did listen to the first few sentences when he talked about about vanity and greed. Give me a fucking break. Are we at church? Speaking of vanity, nice suit.
This is the only part of your response that I consider valid because it was based on having watched those first few seconds.
Speaking of greed, greed works both ways. It creates economies, trade, wealth, jobs etc. and it also takes them. So what else is new? So don't expect me to listen to 30 minutes of cheap church style manipulation aimed at my guilt emotions.
So who are you now... Gordon Gekko? I think those sentiments have played out on Wall Street,
...and I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue the results were beneficial for society as a whole.
Let's look at your points or his or whatever:
Trade deficit. Wow, as if that's never been talked about in the last 16 years by talking heads, economists, on forums etc. ::)
Asia fastest growing economy in the world. So what? Its about time they stopped being so third world. Its a good thing. We can only climb as high as our dead weight lets us.
China. They are slowly entering in full into capitalism. Most of their country is still knee deep in problems. Give them a few more decades and they will be doing the same dam thing. We've just been at it longer.
America growing. We are in a cycle, similar to other ones where our doom was predicted. And as before we will cycle up and then cycle down and over and over again.
The fact that you refused to watch the rest clearly explains your misguided ramblings that do nothing to address the specific points mentioned as it related to the video. How can you possibly hope to discuss something you clearly have not seen?
And there will people who will try and pray on people moral conscience by predicting shit.
I'll assume you meant "prey" and not "pray", ...but how does one prey on someone's moral conscience?
I can understand an appeal to, but prey on?
Luis is a disgrace and there's nothing special or unique about what he "predicted".
How would YOU know if you haven't even viewed the clips?
And please don't insult me like this.
If his lecture had been full of hate-mongering rhetoric, I would NEVER have posted it.
If I am capable of listening to a speech or talk by David Dukes that contains no white supremacist rhetoric, and objectively consider whether there is any validity in his commentary on the subject at hand. You should certainly be able to listen to a similar talk by Louis Farrakhan. Grow up. You're reminding me of that immature little child who sticks their fingers in their ears and says "Lalalala I can't hear you"
Point is, (my point) is that there is nothing prophetic about what he said. If he said, 16 years ago, Barrack Obama would be president in 2008 and the stock market would crash on a specific day, then maybe.
Actually he did predict Barack Obama would be president in 2008, but that was hardly prophetic, since it was a 50/50 chance and his opponents were John McCain & Sarah Palin. You didn't need a crystal ball or any depth of wisdom or knowledge to see that one coming.
PS: I found a rain dance that works... ;D ::)
Ya... dancing away from the topic at hand I see. :-\
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Why don't you outline his specific points perhaps using a transcript of this prophetic speech and show me why they are unique?
My assertion about prophecy will still stand and well his nutbaggery.
Luis is a disgrace.
Also, no need to take jibes at me with stuff like Gecko and other things. I'm not attacking you. You are wonderful. I just think Luis did not say anything uniquely prophetic and he is a hate mongering nut job that has done much to regress the causes of black Americans than most of the soap box bunch.
Ps: com on dear Jag, pointing out spelling erros? Really? ::)
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And Samson, thank you. You took the time to write and entire paragraph responding to something that wasn't worth the time to write.
I am sorry I don't have a high opinion of Gold suit Luis otherwise I'd agree or disagree differently.
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Oh and Jag, props to you for listening to David Duke, I would listen to Luis before I'd listen to him.
There isn't anything worth while the 2 of these peole could say that some expert could have said somewhere else.
Ps. If predicting Obama in 2008 is a non issue why even bring it up? Bfd. Like I said, 16 years, if he said it, I be raving about this with you.
Ps again: ever type on a iPad? Easy to get typos.
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Ozmo most of what you wrote is not even worth the time you took to type it, but opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.
Ain't that the truth!!!
The only reason I took the time to respond is because it is OzmO, ...and I like him.
So much for mod facilitation of discussion. I ain't watching it ... he's a nutbag. ::) :-\
Just keep this in your mind...somewhere. The warnings are everywhere and have come from many in places near and far. You don't have to listen but at least hear someone out to the end. You admit to only hearing a few lines and then turning the video off...WHY? Is the truth that disturbing?
I don't think in OzmO's case it's that the truth is so disturbing. I think it's more a case of that subject thread you posted the other day... Do you think the illuminati know you better than you know yourself? I think the powers that be that have such a stranglehold on the minds of the American public have created a situation that results in people purposely shutting out those they would well be advised to listen to.
"Minds are like parachutes. They only function when open."--Thomas Dewar
“We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.” --Friedrich Nietzsche
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." -- John Maynard Keynes
“How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?” --Proverbs 6:9
Many don't want to accept the reality of a matter, but doing so allows a person to deal with and maybe even change the outcome.... but if you will not even hear out what the issues are, how then can you address them and certainly how can you even think to change them?
You shall know the truth, ...and the truth shall set you free. ;D
"You cannot change your destination overnight, but you can change your direction overnight." -- Jim Rohn
It is up to you, your time is short and everything is working against america at this junction, you all can either make things go in the direction you want, but you must first identify the problems: Or you can deny every thing, say everything will workout, cross your fingers and hope for the best and end up in an even WORST CONDITION. You will have no one to blame but yourself.
"The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself." -- Archibald MacLeish
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -- Winston Churchill
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Why don't you outline his specific points perhaps using a transcript of this prophetic speech and show me why they are unique?
Why should I do that when the bloody clip is there for you to view yourself?
The whole point of the exercise is to get YOUR views, not to give them to you. ::)
My assertion about prophecy will still stand and well his nutbaggery.
Luis is a disgrace.
What specifically about these clips leads you to these opinions?
Also, no need to take jibes at me with stuff like Gecko and other things. I'm not attacking you. You are wonderful.
Wasn't an attack? It was a question. If you're going to channel Gordon Gecko, prepare for these kinds of questions.
I just think Luis did not say anything uniquely prophetic and he is a hate mongering nut job that has done much to regress the causes of black Americans than most of the soap box bunch.
What specific statements and or predictions did he make in these clips that are false, or have not come to fruition?
Ps: com on dear Jag, pointing out spelling erros? Really? ::)
Oh puleaze dude! You should know by now what an anally retentive spelling nazi I can be? ;D
Besides, in this context, that particular typo was very relevant because depending on which word you meant, it had the ability to change the entire meaning of the statement. That is why the written language has rules with regards to the spelling of words. It facilitates proper communication. Get with the program! ;D
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Oh and Jag, props to you for listening to David Duke, I would listen to Luis before I'd listen to him.
There isn't anything worth while the 2 of these peole could say that some expert could have said somewhere else.
Ps. If predicting Obama in 2008 is a non issue why even bring it up? Bfd. Like I said, 16 years, if he said it, I be raving about this with you.
Ps again: ever type on a iPad? Easy to get typos.
You're the one who brought it up. :o
If I can type with long fingernails on a sticky keyboard, you can type on an iPad.
Just show a little more consideration for your reader, ...and don't be so sloppy next time. ;)
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I should be well advised to listen to Luis farakhan? Hahahahhhahahaha
I won't watch it. So you have 2 choices:
A. Explain with transcripted text from his speech why his prophecy was unique.
B. Stop talking to me about it
This would be a good time for one of your emotion icons sticking it's tongue out.
Either way I don't care. Lol
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You're the one who brought it up. :o
If I can type with long fingernails on a sticky keyboard, you can type on an iPad.
Just show a little more consideration for your reader, ...and don't be so sloppy next time. ;)
Stop being so cheap and buy a new keyboard. I brought it up to give perspective to it. You only reinforced that.
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I should be well advised to listen to Luis farakhan? Hahahahhhahahaha
I won't watch it. So you have 2 choices:
A. Explain with transcripted text from his speech why his prophecy was unique.
B. Stop talking to me about it
This would be a good time for one of your emotion icons sticking it's tongue out.
Either way I don't care. Lol
I thought you were smart enough to realize the important part was the message itself and NOT the messenger.
Ya ya I know "Lalalala You can't hear me" ::)
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Stop being so cheap and buy a new keyboard. I brought it up to give perspective to it. You only reinforced that.
The problem isn't so much my keyboard... as it is all the crumbs and other stuff that I drop into it. {blush}
No matter how many keyboards I buy, the problem will persist until I stop snacking at my desk.
I'm not yet willing to solve the problem. :P
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The problem isn't so much my keyboard... as it is all the crumbs and other stuff that I drop into it. {blush}
No matter how many keyboards I buy, the problem will persist until I stop snacking at my desk.
I'm not yet willing to solve the problem. :P
Try turning it upside down or using freon.
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Try turning it upside down or using freon.
Normally, I just take the entire keyboard apart, and get the compressed air into the areas I can't wipe down.
...but thanks for bumping this thread again. Perhaps if you bump it enough times, there will be a brave soul unafraid to actually listen to the clips, and then be willing to voice his/her opinion of the actual contents thereof. ;)
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Normally, I just take the entire keyboard apart, and get the compressed air into the areas I can't wipe down.
...but thanks for bumping this thread again. Perhaps if you bump it enough times, there will be a brave soul unafraid to actually listen to the clips, and then be willing to voice his/her opinion of the actual contents thereof. ;)
I don't think its fear.
Probably has to do with bile.
;) :)
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I don't think its fear.
Probably has to do with bile.
;) :)
At the situation he describes, ...or at the sight of yourself from the clarity he facilitates?
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At the situation he describes, ...or at the sight of yourself from the clarity he facilitates?
Nicely written lol. Ahh no and no.
You know what I mean. :P
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Nicely written lol. Ahh no and no.
Thank you... I thought it was quite clever myself. :D
You know what I mean. :P
No I don't. You'll have to be more specific.
What specifically did Farrakhan say in part 1, part 2, and part 3 that produced the bile?
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Ok. :)
I won't take the time to listen him. He's not worth it and has no credibility.
I will read I guess, but I just think you can explain better what he predicted.
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Considering this talk was given 16 yrs ago, would you say the answer is A, B, C, or D?
Dear Jaguarscams, here is my answer:
:D
E.) None of the above
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Oh get off it already. The guy (Luis the vain) is revolting. Its just not worth it to me to sit through 30 minutes of it.
Ok, I will make a compromise with you. Give me the "time points" he makes the "predictions" and i will watch it.
{giggle} You should know by now I'm as tenacious as a pit bull with a bone. lol :D
In part 1, the time points to watch are from 00:00 - 10:13
part 1:
In part 2, the time points to watch are from 00:00 - 10:46
part 2:
In part 3, the time points to watch are from 00:00 - 10:47
part 3:
After viewing these time points, and taking into account this 3 part lecture was filmed over 16 years ago in Fresno, CA 1994, would you say it is indicative of what?
- A) Farrakhan's prophetic ability?
- B) Farrakhan's wisdom, insight, & powers of observation?
- C) A Conspiracy against America that Farrakhan willingly discloses to those willing to listen?
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Lol
Guess there's nothing worthwhile....
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Ok, I will make a compromise with you. Give me the "time points" he makes the "predictions" and i will watch it.
Lol
Guess there's nothing worthwhile....
:o LIAR! LIAR! PANTS ON FIRE!
What good is your word if you refuse to keep it?
May a thousand scorpions set up residence in your athletic cup!!! >:(
btw: How are you supposed to be an effective moderator of a board when you refuse to even view the material posted there? ...or do you expect Hugo to do all the work? :-\
ps: Ya ya I know... no need to tell me. I just prefer you use the "W" over the "B".
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What are you talking about?
I compromised by asking you to give me the time points in the clips, not to be a smarty pants and give the whole clip again. I am not interested in hearing the manipulations of this vile whore. Sorry.
As for your mod jibe, read the guidelines thread. Our job as moderators is not to view every clip for content. Unless of course you want to pay hugo and i to put that kind of time in.... Wait, never mind, spend the money on a new key board and a plastic shield to protect it from your food droppings. :)
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are ozmo and jag dating?
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She's only interested in me because I own a keyboard factory. ;D
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What are you talking about?
I compromised by asking you to give me the time points in the clips, not to be a smarty pants and give the whole clip again. I am not interested in hearing the manipulations of this vile whore. Sorry.
How can you say they are manipulations when you haven't even seen them?
How can you refer to him as a vile whore. Seems to me, a whore would play ball and not disclose this info. Considering the circumstances, that statement sounds to me like you're just talking out of your derriere.
NO investigation, ...no right to speak" -- Confucius
As for your mod jibe, read the guidelines thread. Our job as moderators is not to view every clip for content. Unless of course you want to pay hugo and i to put that kind of time in....
But what if someone claims the clips violate board policy? How would you then decide that?
Would you instead shirk your duties, ...unfairly & arbitrarily delete them, ...or let someone else carry the load?
Wait, never mind, spend the money on a new key board and a plastic shield to protect it from your food droppings. :)
Touché ...and you have the nerve to call me a smarty pants?
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are ozmo and jag dating?
I'm much too much woman for OzmO to handle.
I would have him ripping his hair out inside of 5 minutes. ;)
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I'm much too much woman for OzmO to handle.
I would have him ripping his hair out inside of 5 minutes. ;)
24K you are starting to sound like Sharon Stone in Basic Instincts.... Do you complete the "act" with an ICE PICK????? :o :o :o
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24K you are starting to sound like Sharon Stone in Basic Instincts.... Do you complete the "act" with an ICE PICK????? :o :o :o
LOL That all depends on how satisfied I was with the experience.
You could say, one would have a very compelling motivation to turn in a good performance. ;)
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How can you say they are manipulations when you haven't even seen them?
How can you refer to him as a vile whore. Seems to me, a whore would play ball and not disclose this info. Considering the circumstances, that statement sounds to me like you're just talking out of your derriere.
NO investigation, ...no right to speak" -- Confucius
But what if someone claims the clip violate board policy? How would you then decide that?
Would you instead shirk your duties, ...unfairly & arbitrarily delete them, ...or let someone else carry the load?
Touché ...and you have the nerve to call me a smartypants?
Is the clip racist or personally attacking someone? (If so, provide me with the time points where he does) If someone legitimately claimed it was personally attacking them I'd have be specific and they could show exactly where.
I say its full of manipulations based on the first 2 things he says. I call him a vile whore for reasons other than these clips which i believe i explained earlier. The first 2 sentences spoke volumes.
I also, from the very start, admitted my failure in my refusal to watch it. So what?
If you want me to comment on it, provide the times he says his prophecy and I'll watch it. If not, lets dance to another subject because this is getting old. Of course we could just keep going round and round in which case i will write a full page response with dozens and dozens of typos and make you pass out. ;D ;D ;D
PS: You did have a typo; did you catch it?
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Is the clip racist or personally attacking someone? (If so, provide me with the time points where he does) If someone legitimately claimed it was personally attacking them I'd have be specific and they could show exactly where.
I wouldn't post clips with racist rhetoric. It's Farrakhan lite remember. :)
I say its full of manipulations based on the first 2 things he says. I call him a vile whore for reasons other than these clips which i believe i explained earlier. The first 2 sentences spoke volumes.
The first 2 sentences are his thesis statement. You can't have a thesis without a statement. The rest is simply backing up your case. Do you consider backing up your statements as manipulation? Do you consider truth to be a form of manipulation?
I also, from the very start, admitted my failure in my refusal to watch it. So what?
If you want me to comment on it, provide the times he says his prophecy and I'll watch it. If not, lets dance to another subject because this is getting old.
I already did that. You refused to watch.
Of course we could just keep going round and round in which case i will write a full page response with dozens and dozens of typos and make you pass out. ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/FrightenedMouse.gif)
In addition to a thousand scorpions taking up residence in your athletic cup,
...may the sight of Louis Farrakhan and his red silk robes and gold suit be forever etched in your memory,
...and may his booming voice forever ring in your ears without you being able to get it out of your head! >:(
PS: You did have a typo; did you catch it?
:o Oh now you're just trying to be mean. trying to send me in a tizzy. no i didn't
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Personally I'll listen to him when he takes the racist crap out of his religion. Last I checked, the crap was still up on their official site. Hitler may have said some things that were 100% correct, but it doesn't mean I'm going to use his words to make a point.
Fair enough, but if Hitler said something that both broke down a problem and provided a remedy, would you dismiss it out of hand? Would you give more relevance to the messenger as opposed to the message? I'll tell you right now, that as vile as Hitler was, if there was an epidemic and he had the antidote, I'd accept it before I died from the disease.
I sure hope that's a mighty big closet with plenty of leg room. :P
All kidding aside, I really don't think your histories of moderating some of the racist posts in the past give either of you much ground to stand on, or justification regarding any supposed racism that might be present on a separate website. I say "supposed racism" because not having seen his official website, I have no basis to comment. And as distasteful as I find racism in all it's forms, I'm willing to go to his official website to see if such racism exists. I'm not a scared little girl who hides herself away in a closet.
ps: Your handling of racist rhetoric in the past has been head & shoulders above the moderation found on other boards at GetBig, just not good enough to justify that stance. :-\
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Jag,
You have known me on this forum for quite some time. You should know that I don't usually try cheap gags. (make sure you are away from sharp objects and sitting down when you read this)
C'mon dude, you what it's like around here. You're sitting around peacefully minding your own business, when someone says something and all of a sudden, BOOM, there'll be your name poppin' up. That's GetBig. :D
Luckily i don't sweat the small stuff. :)
And again, you know what mean by the time points so stop it already please.
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Last I checked, the crap was still up on their official site.
I looked for an official site for Farrakhan and couldn't find one.
The closest I came was to the official website of The Nation of Islam http://www.noi.org/ (http://www.noi.org/)
I found no racist rhetoric on the site. Where did you see it?
Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that Khalid Mohammed had said some horrendous things,
...and I also understand there was a severe rift between Kalid Mohammed & Farrakhan over many of these statements.
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Thanks for the compliment. Here is the only problem I see with your post: Most of the time when there is a major problem being pointed out, that person is not the only person speaking on it. I'd be willing to bet the things he's pointing out in this video are widely talked about by others. Why would I choose to use hitler's example if I can find the same agrument made by someone who isn't a racist sack of shit? And Jag, I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking you on this, I just don't like LF or NOI because of the clearly racist crap they have published.
Understandable. Can you find someone talking about the same things that Farrakhan was breaking down 16 yrs ago? I know it's been quite fashionable lately to talk about the great big white elephant in the room, but back then during the prosperous Clinton years, these were not subjects on anybodies radars. If I recall back in 94 the topic was Hilary care, and Gennifer Flowers, and the fact that Reagan had alzheimers and used astrologers.
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are ozmo and jag dating?
yes
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"Because you are a liar, a murderer, and a devil. Africa, Asia—wherever the Caucasian they went on the Earth, they
found people there. And after they found them, they deceived them, killed them
and made them slaves. That is his nature. Now he’s got you and me."--It's not my nature... He's blaming whites today for shit I'd have to be a time traveler to stop. It's racist to establish my nature as evil by the color of my skin.
"The Original Man is a new Black Man. He is “the Maker, the
Owner, the Cream of the Planet Earth”—and if he stays in The Class, he will
become a—“God of the Universe.”"--racial superiority!!!
http://www.noi.org/study/StudyGuide21.pdf
That's just in the first link I clicked. The last time I was on the site I was reading all this crap about how I'm the devil and was created in some lab, bla bla...
Oh crap! That is downright offensive! >:(
I'm not a follower of NOI so I have no idea what is in their study guides. I am however capable of picking up on certain things he does say that I agree with or believe has merit, or is worthy of pondering.
I heard one of the reasons Malcolm X was murdered, was because he had an epiphany in Mecca, he'd made the realization that Whites weren't the devil and was going to steer NOI away from the racism. I am told that Farrakhan too is coming to the realization that the racism, while it may feel cathartic in the healing process is really a stumbling block towards greater healing and mental emancipation, so is looking to steer away from that. He's even softened his stance on interracial marriage.
I will continue to pluck out pearls of wisdom from Farrakhan when he says something wise and insightful, but at the same time you'd better believe I will toss the racist crap in the trash where it belongs.
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ok, shit dammit, this requires that I listen to it to see what he's talking about. I'll listen then answer. dang it. I dunnowannado this >:( ;D
Thanks. :)
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Ok, I listened to it. There were a few original thoughts in it but by far much of it has been talked about by others. Although not with his unique verbal anquish on the subjects.
The education issues, talked about by many others.
The materialism and self gratification issues, talked about by many others.
The debt issues, talked about by a shitload of people.
The trade issues, very well talked about by others, just not with his crybaby spin of it lol...
The mocking of rock music being part of the problem, unique to LC ::) Unless you go back 40 years then there were plenty saying the same thing as LC lolol....
The drug issues, talked about by many others
The incarsaration problem, talked about by others
The fraud of capitalism benefiting only a few, talked about by many others
Fighting wars for democracy in a system that benefits few and is more about money and wars for the corporations, bigtime talked about by others.
Did I miss anything?
Also, did he attack eating pussy? Is that what that crotch chaser thing was about? I have to say if that's so, he's just wrong, eating pussy is good for the soul ;D yum yum...
Oh and attacking dirty jokes, lol... epic but I don't think our problems come from that.
Yes many of these things are currently being discussed by others today, but were these considered pressing issues in 1994. Did we even hint at the idea that America was on her deathbed in 1994, or that the USA would not enter the 21st century as a superpower? In 1994 America was the baddest mutha on the block. The idea that she'd lose superpower status wasn't a blip on anyone's radar, ...except maybe Alan Greenspan's and those in the "synagogue of satan" {giggle}
So now that you've seen the clips, are they the big bad scarey boogey monster that would require someone to scream like a little girl and run away to hide themselves in a dark closet? They are Farrakhan lite.
So what do you think? A, B, C, or D?
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I am only going to chime in a little into this thread. Sadly whites are still looking for every excuse to call someone else racist or hate monger or use any attribute to demonize a person, race, religion or culture. Sadly Martin Luther King was demonized like no other for the sake of trying to get respect for the African American in the racially hostile white run america; Malcolm X was assassinated because whites in particular police and leaders saw him as a man with too much power who could influence too many African Americans; Khalid Muhammed was a FIRE BREATHER holding his tongue for no one and he too was assassinated; Mandela sat in jail for decades and Mahatma Ghandi too was severely punished in his own land...and all of this for what? Because whites felt superior to the people and wanted control over them as well as to steal their resources. In all honesty what we seeing Iraq and Afghanistan today only tells that the motivations by the same people have not changed. And just like Ozmo when these civil rights leaders tried to make whites look at their attitudes, hostilities, crimes, contempt...THEY REFUSED!. And to add insult to injury attempted to demonize the person(s) making them aware of their actions...once again nothing has changed.
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“We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.” --Friedrich Nietzsche
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“We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.” --Friedrich Nietzsche
So I guess in order for a woman to stop a rapist in the act of raping her, she should speak nicely to him?
"Oh please Mr Rapist would you stop raping me as it will cause me life long issues with relationships and men"...NOT!!!
Ghandi an Martin Luther's PEACEFUL pleas only landed them beaten and bloodied in jail.
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I can only talk for myself. I'm sure there are some that do what you say. All I can say is that I don't think I'm one of them and I don't want to be judged by my skin color as much as I don't want to judge another by theirs. Not sure what else I can say.
Understandable, however, it is something you cannot avoid. Due to systemic racism, you ARE judged by your skin colour. Just because you don't immediately feel a negative impact by that judgement doesn't mean it hasn't taken place. When you are a beneficiary, no matter how slight, of a system that is intrinsically racist, no matter how upright you attempt to be, you are still a beneficiary. And if you see nothing wrong with that, then you aren't part of the solution, but part of the problem.
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I clearly identified the ideology LC and NOI adhers to that I have a problem with. I can deal with the tone of voice. So that's not really a fair quote either.
What is LC?
It was a general statement about the common nature of people, and not directed at you specifically.
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I can only talk for myself. I'm sure there are some that do what you say. All I can say is that I don't think I'm one of them and I don't want to be judged by my skin color as much as I don't want to judge another by theirs. Not sure what else I can say.
I should have termed it RULING WHITES so as not to categorize everyone into the same designation. Nonetheless the ruling whites find and use the whites that they have stirred contempt in towards other races, religions, cultures etc to do their dirty work of harassing, threatening even killing in gruesome manners.
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bullshit, he was talking about whites. I'm white. It's directed at me. He said it was our nature, thus my nature.
No you're not right Hugo...Here in is the need to read, listen and learn about a person or thing before commenting. If you made it your business of listening to Farrakhan, he talks about RULING WHITES as I just mentioned in my previous post. Every white person is not inherently evil, but the ruling whites are and they use racial, cultural, religious hostilities to further their goals and desires. You have recently seen how a few behind the scene RULING WHITES have stirred up the the religious hate for Islam, for Chinese, for Mexicans etc etc and sadly many whites in particular went berserk with it. Now obviously this was all done to distract the american public from concerning themselves with their faltering economy, but sadly again the americans can not see this....they only see that they must hate that religion or race or culture because the media of america tells them so. When you listen to the speeches of Farrakhan he is always including whites...not blaming all whites, and he always makes it clear that he is talking about ruling whites when he comments on the evils of their doings. It takes more than listening to one clip or a short speech to get this, because he (Farrakhan) knows that those who listen to him on a regular basis or even those who are familiar with him, knows what he means when he says whites without first putting RULING WHITES before it.
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Jag and Samson, are you two telling me that there is nobody in the world who you feel has crossed the line to far for you? I mean you guys will listen to everybody no matter what they've said or done? I thought I was ahead of the game by keeping an open mind and listening to a lot of people I disagree with often. Hell I've even agreed with Glenn Beck a few times :-X but to say that there's nobody who's gone to far for you, wow, my hats off to your amazing skills of keeping an open mind.
for real? nobody has crossed the line for you guys?
Who is saying that? Certainly not I?
I watched Khalid Mohammed LIVE on the Donahue show addressing the mother of Andrew Goodman, and I was deeply ashamed for him. But I understand the healing process, both physical and emotional. When you have a physical injury, there appears a scab at the sight of the wound. It's rough & it's ugly, and it's a necessary part of that wound healing. The same can be said of an emotional wound. While much of the rhetoric can be painful to hear, for many, giving voice to the pain and anger the wound caused is a necessary cathartic phase that must be passed through in order to facilitate healing.
Farrakhan comes from a different time in history, but his wounds are still fresh & raw, and have been allowed to fester for years. Him and many men like him are intimately acquainted with the pain, anger & humiliation, these injustices have brought into their lives, and in order to heal, they need to give voice to their anger.
I don't make excuses for him or justify his statements, ...I simply understand where some of it is coming from.
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bullshit, he was talking about whites. I'm white. It's directed at me. He said it was our nature, thus my nature.
The reference to the common nature of people that I was referring to was the Nietzsche quote: “We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.” --Friedrich Nietzsche
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If LF would put it that way, I might be much more accepting. But when he talks about it just being the nature of the white devil who was created in a lab, well... that doesn't quite work out.
Well Hugo you can't hold every word against a person, in some cases they are wrong (whites made in a lab?...Hmmm). For example what was the last movie you saw? How many times was the word Ni**er used in the movie? Notice the vast majority of movie makers who gleefully use this terminology and produce these films are named Weinstein, Goldman, Foxman, Allen, Miller, Silverman etc etc. How come no one ever says anything to them about this language and disrespectful language used toward a people?, yet if Farrakhan says one word not liked despite its use in context he is labeled antisemite, hatemonger, racist, vile....Hmmmmm? You see the discrepancy here?
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No you're not right Hugo...Here in is the need to read, listen and learn about a person or thing before commenting. If you made it your business of listening to Farrakhan, he talks about RULING WHITES as I just mentioned in my previous post. Every white person is not inherently evil, but the ruling whites are and they use racial, cultural, religious hostilities to further their goals and desires. You have recently seen how a few behind the scene RULING WHITES have stirred up the the religious hate for Islam, for Chinese, for Mexicans etc etc and sadly many whites in particular went berserk with it. Now obviously this was all done to distract the american public from concerning themselves with their faltering economy, but sadly again the americans can not see this....they only see that they must hate that religion or race or culture because the media of america tells them so. When you listen to the speeches of Farrakhan he is always including whites...not blaming all whites, and he always makes it clear that he is talking about ruling whites when he comments on the evils of their doings. It takes more than listening to one clip or a short speech to get this, because he (Farrakhan) knows that those who listen to him on a regular basis or even those who are familiar with him, knows what he means when he says whites without first putting RULING WHITES before it.
In some of the clips from regular services at the Maryam mosque, you can often see many White members of the congregation nodding in agreement with Farrakhan's statements.
I know when I went to hear him speak LIVE here in Toronto, I saw many uptight, closed off and skeptical white and Jews who came to hear what he had to say. They started off sitting in their chairs, arms folded, glowering at Farrakhan. Their entire body language showed them to be hostile. By the end of the night, many of these same people were beaming with approval, standing on chairs cheering this man and very happy they came out and actually listened to him.
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If LF would put it that way, I might be much more accepting. But when he talks about it just being the nature of the white devil who was created in a lab, well... that doesn't quite work out.
LOL! That's why we can't hide ourselves away in dark closets like scared little girls. :D
If you view all the Farrakhan clips I posted, you will see he DOES infact make that specific delineation.
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I told you above he says both. doublespeak. Even you admitted the quotes I found were offensive. He honors a guy that did not talk about just the ruling whites. He honors a guy that invented the notion whites are the devil and were created in a lab? Can you quote me where he has denounced those words by the guy he thinks is a prophet of god?
He has no reason to denounce his words if he is addressing those ruling whites. Now here are two shockers that are about to be brought to light. Sitting in your congress was Robert Byrd...A GRAND WIZARD IN THE KKK who was known for labeling African Americans Ni**er on a regular basis. Many congresspersons knew of this and heard this...Which congressperson spoke up about it? or denounced it? As a matter of fact they tried to downplay it when it was brought up....double standard?
Farad Muhammed is the person I believe you are talking about (let me know if I am incorrect) Did you realize Farad was a WHITE MAN? Just like Islam today it will accept any person or race so long as they are obedient to Islams laws. How he became involved in Islam is a bit of a mystery to me, but it is him who taught that whites were created in a lab o the Island of Patmos (or something like that) So the contempt you have for Farrakhan is based upon what a white man told him. Here is Farads picture with a little info
(http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Eric_B/Farad)
What about Wallace Fard Muhammad, the founder of the Nation of Islam? Born Wallace Dodd Ford (according the notoriously smear-happy FBI... take it with a grain...), his heritage was a mix of Polynesian and white. But this is the guy that taught that whites were a race of devils created by the mad scientist Yakub on the isle of Patmos, whereas blacks were divine. Looking at a picture of him, it’s hard to believe that anyone thought of him as black, but it was, as they say, a different time.
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If LF would put it that way, I might be much more accepting. But when he talks about it just being the nature of the white devil who was created in a lab, well... that doesn't quite work out.
btw: It IS the nature of the white devil. I think the confusion comes in when people are unclear about who and what is the white devil.
Farrakhan has stated many times, the great battle he fights is not one between blacks & whites.
But rather it is a battle between principalities, a battle against spiritual wickedness in high places.
He describes the mark of the beast in the forehead or right hand, not as a tattooed UPC code or an implanted RFID microchip, but rather the fruits and works that come forth from the minds and hands of people. Are your thoughts, inspirations and creations for good, ...or for nefarious purposes? Does your creative mind produce good fruit for the nourishment and uplift of man, ...or do they exist for the downfall of man. Your works will bear your mark, and they will either bear the mark of righteousness, or the mark of the beast.
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I've read plenty on their site over the years that did not whatsoever appear to ONLY be addressing ruling whites. So are you saying it was only ruling whites that were created in a lab and are evil by nature lol?
Hmmmm?... could be. Maybe some were taken into labs and like in that movie THE BODY SNATCHERS were given EVIL NATURES...lol
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I think we're just going to disagree on this stuff. I listened to the videos and gave my opinion. Nothing more I can do. I guess I could occationally talk about blacks being stupid and then occationally post against racism and then when I get called out, point to the times I stood strong against racism... lol....
You listened to the video and gave me your opinion on Farrakhan.
You didn't give me your opinion on his message. You made the messenger more relevant than the message.
I don't care how much I hate Hitler. If the ground started trembling, and Hitler yelled "EARTHQUAKE", I wouldn't be saying "I'm not gonna listen to you, you invaded Poland...", I'm getting my tush under the nearest door jam or out into open ground ASAP. ...but that's just me. I guess you could say 'I'm out of the closet'
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Jag and Samson, are you two telling me that there is nobody in the world who you feel has crossed the line to far for you? I mean you guys will listen to everybody no matter what they've said or done? I thought I was ahead of the game by keeping an open mind and listening to a lot of people I disagree with often. Hell I've even agreed with Glenn Beck a few times :-X but to say that there's nobody who's gone to far for you, wow, my hats off to your amazing skills of keeping an open mind.
for real? nobody has crossed the line for you guys?
Here's an interesting thought that I would very much like to hear Samson weigh in on.
Considering the fact that Samson once posted a David Dukes clip, and I had no problem watching it, I wonder whether it is not so much a case of us having open minds as it is that we have by virtue of our experience in an environment of deeply entrenched systemic racism have developed thick skins and the ability to dismiss and excise rhetoric disturbing to our psyches? A skill those not so accustomed to calling upon have not been required to develop so highly? Thoughts...
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BS, I delivered what I had to in order to answer your question. I only needed to watch the videos to determine if others were addressing the same things. I posted at length on exactly that. I never made any kind of promise beyond that. Watching the videos were a must to reply to your post which asked if there were others. I then gave my opinion of LF after I had delivered on the required reply. That's exactly how it went down, why the spin?
Ok, now that we're using letters and acronyms, I can see this is getting a little more heated than I'd like.
Sorry if I inadvertently misled you about what I was asking about. This thread has been danced around so long, that I guess the original questions in the 1st post have gotten lost. These were the questions I had wanted answered.
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Jag, I'm not pissed at you, I just called BS. This is the post that I replied to saying I would watch the videos. I had to watch them to answer this question, otherwise how would I know. This is the question you asked me and this is the question I did indeed answer.
NO I realize that Hugo. But like I said, what I really wanted answered was the original question posed at the start of the thread.
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Here's an interesting thought that I would very much like to hear Samson weigh in on.
Considering the fact that Samson once posted a David Dukes clip, and I had no problem watching it, I wonder whether it is not so much a case of us having open minds as it is that we have by virtue of our experience in an environment of deeply entrenched systemic racism have developed thick skins and the ability to dismiss and excise rhetoric disturbing to our psyches? A skill those not so accustomed to calling upon have not been required to develop so highly? Thoughts...
You hit the nail right on the head. In many regards I have learned to make myself NOT be bothered by the comments and reactions I have received throughout life and at the same time have learned to open my mind to see why the systemic racism exists. It is clear that racism has been beneficial to the ruling whites (keeping a race subservient produces a "slave" labor to use) and has given many a poor white an excuse to use the African american as a whipping post for their anger or to direct their anger toward "their'' politician's actions and doings at us even though we had nothing to do with it. Ironically while we are having a discussion with Hugo who has exclaimed he is white, despite our histories with whites, we are engaged with no contempt or issue, but he can not do so with the Farrakhan video. That same holding of a issue over ones head is why racism still exists.
What I want to ask Hugo is: Now that he has learned that the opinions of Farrakhan toward whites was something taught to him by a WHITE MAN...how does that now make him feel toward Farrakhan? And how does that make him feel toward Fard Muhammed for teaching this?
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You hit the nail right on the head. In many regards I have learned to make myself NOT be bothered by the comments and reactions I have received throughout life and at the same time have learned to open my mind to see why the systemic racism exists. It is clear that racism has been beneficial to the ruling whites (keeping a race subservient produces a "slave" labor to use) and has given many a poor white an excuse to use the African american as a whipping post for their anger or to direct their anger toward "their'' politician's actions and doings at us even though we had nothing to do with it. Ironically while we are having a discussion with Hugo who has exclaimed he is white, despite our histories with whites, we are engaged with no contempt or issue, but he can not do so with the Farrakhan video. That same holding of a issue over ones head is why racism still exists.
Thank you so much for expressing such keen insight with the gentleness and sensitivity this situation calls for. :-*
What I want to ask Hugo is: Now that he has learned that the opinions of Farrakhan toward whites was something taught to him by a WHITE MAN...how does that now make him feel toward Farrakhan? And how does that make him feel toward Fard Muhammed for teaching this?
Interesting dichotomy isn't it?
I don't know if Hugo will watch this, or anyone else for that matter, but for those open minded enough to watch this, it might shine a bit of light on the enigma that is Farrakhan. From the May 9th, 2010 Interview shown on TV One
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Ok Samson, fuck you, happy now?... This is pure BS and you've ignored everything I've said in favor of your own interpretation. Piss off, I'm done. Glad I could keep the board positive.
hmmm... :-\
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fucking dude just basically said I'm part of the problem. That I'm a contributing part of why racism is alive and well. If that's the direction he and or you want to take it, I'm out. I have better shit to do than listen to BS like that.
Hugo, when something is so deeply entrenched into the heart of our society... figuratively, not literally, ...we are ALL participants (both willing and unwilling) to some degree. Farrakhan's call is to those who are open to hearing about their unwilling and unwitting participation. To hear him vilified as anti-semitic or racist because of comments he has made that have been harsh or critical of Jews or whites can at times seem laughable to me, because if these same standards are applied to his rhetoric and critique of Blacks, one would have to conclude he was the KKK's Grand Wizard himself.
All I can advise is that you CALMLY, and thoughtfully consider Samson's actual statement, re-read the sentence, ...substitute your name for another if you have to, and try to see if you can objectively find any wisdom or insight.
ps: Don't go back in the closet. It's dark in there, and there isn't a lot of leg room.
...'sides, OzmO's smelly gym socks are in there, ...and you can't hold your breath that long! :P
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Ok Samson, fuck you, happy now?... This is pure BS and you've ignored everything I've said in favor of your own interpretation. Piss off, I'm done. Glad I could keep the board positive.
Hugo this over reaction means YOU have not listened to a single thing I have said and have brushed aside all of the explanations I have given to you and even overlooked the Farad Muhammed information showing he was a WHITE MAN who indoctrinated Farrakhan and those following Islam into believing that the WHITE MAN was made in a lab on the island of Patmos and is the DEVIL. Farrakhan did not create this belief, yet you are holding him responsible for its being.
Now isn't this ironic that I a Black man am talking to you a white man and trying to educate YOU on the truth of things in this manner of who started this and even so, you still have a PITBULL grip on "its Farrakhan's fault" for his opinions but you ignore who made that opinion possible. Where is your development through interaction with other people, religions and cultures that makes YOU aware that what is and has been said about a/any particular race, religion or culture IS or is NOT true? Ozmo showed his colors and lack of interaction with people, religions and cultures by refusing to watch any of the videos... so he is telling me he is happy hating whole races/religions/ or someone who he knows NOTHING ABOUT. With him there is nothing to work with...he is set in stone and can not be changed ...sadly. He will go through his life with mis-conceptions, opinionated views and faulty beliefs.
Our discussion here on this topic before this breakdown I believed was going good (unfortunately I became too tired to continue and now back on the board I find this) and I thought matters were being worked out and mis-perceptions cleared up, but obviously not. This is not about the board being or not being positive, because what is positive for one may be NEGATIVE for another. This is about getting the REAL FACTS and TRUTH out and on the table, this is NOT a bash against Hugo or a bash against whites situation, which it seems you are taking it as.
It has been said a million times to NOT talk about race, religion and politics and why, because someone will always misinterpret, over react, misconstrue, and/or make an issue where there is none. Now if you wish to continue with this conversation I have no problem, but I certainly do NOT want you walking away with a BIASED opinion which in all honesty has nothing supporting a reason for its existence.
Just my two cents on the matter
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::) What a joke, you two are blind.
I left the door open Hugo to continue good conversation but insted you contiuie to attack. I really want you to give me your opinion on how you feel now knowing that a WHITE MAN named Farad Muhammed is the person who indoctrinated the followers of Islam into believing that the white man was/is a creation from a lab on Patmos and that he is the DEVIL.
"The Original Man is a new black Man. He is “the Maker, the
Owner, the Cream of the Planet Earth”—and if he stays in The Class, he will
become a—“God of the Universe.”
If you have whites saying shit like that, you have blacks everywhere screaming that's racist.
Where have you been for the last 400 years? I brought up the issue of Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Mandela, Malcolm X etc etc so that you can see what the ruling whites and even many poor whites have said and did toward these men and the races they represented. Are you saying you are OK with this? Is it or was it wrong in your opinion for these men to have spoken up about the injustices they witnessed and experienced every day? So far as whites saying what you have quoted above.... they do say it and they say it everyday non stop. When I commented in the thread on ancient civilizations and said the researchers refer to the people as primitive, having no knowledge, no math , no wheel etc etc... look at the skin color of the people they are addressing: Egyptians(Africans), Peruvians, Arabs, Southeast Asians etc etc...they are all dark in skin tone. In america which has the most vitriolic and vile of opinions of people worldwide it is impossible for even a single day to go by when you are NOT hearing everyone from white cops to white politicians labeling Hispanics, Blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Caribbean etc etc as subhuman or any of many derogatory terms. And yes all of these races scream about this, but has it stopped it from happening? I brought up the issue of the term Ni**er in movies made by the jew.... has anyone chastised/punished /or even made mention about that to that ultra small MINORITY? Absolutely not... so I guess we are to take it , suck it up and be happy
LOL at the lame arguments here...
1. I'm supposed to look the other way at clearly racist shit that comes out of NOI because LF has said he's only talking about white men in power ::) RETARDED RETARDED RETARDED, NO WHITE PERSON WOULD GET AWAY WITH THE SAME BULLSHIT.
Was not Robert Byrd a GRAND WIZARD who sat in congress? and you can believe he was not the only one...and as I said he made it know and yet not a single other congressperson regardless of race or gender, spoke up about it and even squashed it when it became public knowledge.
2. That it's all ok for LF because the person that taught him these crazy ideas is actually white, even though he doesn't look white, at all. But it's ok, because it can't be racist if it came from a guy that had some white blood in him.... MORE RETARDED THAN EVER.
Since you don't think Farad is white...what does he look like to you? (http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Eric_B/Farad)
3. I'm actually the one keeping racism going, not LF with his statements of superiority and evil white devils.... WHHHHHHAAAAATTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! retarded
Huh?
PS. where's this David Duke video you two bonded on. I looked all through Samsons posts and couldn't find shit. What a waste of time. My guess is that if it really happened, it must have been zionist related for you two.
What David Duke video are you talking about? Since when did I and 24K "BOND" on any david duke vidz? The issue was brought up by 24K that she listens to all kinds of people including David Duke if what they say is worth while.
But really, LOL that you thought identifying me as the race problem in America was clearing things up ::).... You knew you were goating with that crap, drop the bs.
Sad that your mis-perception continues. No one identified you as anything and neither were you "goated" along....
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jag said you posted a david duke video that she listened to. What video?
How do you know he's white? He only changed his story of where he was from half a dozen times ::) He looks light skinned but that doesn't make him white. I could go over to Japan and find people with skin almost as light as mine, does that make them white? Same as Afganistan, one of the places he said he was from... If I had to guess, he looks mixed. Even if he was white, how does it make the racist bullshit he spewed ok? Or how does it make it ok for those later to still follow and believe? LOLOLOLOL...
Samson, don't play stupid now, you clearly identified me as part of the problem. You knew full well what you were saying and that it would probably set me off. Your words ::) "Ironically while we are having a discussion with Hugo who has exclaimed he is white, despite our histories with whites, we are engaged with no contempt or issue, but he can not do so with the Farrakhan video. That same holding of a issue over ones head is why racism still exists." That's priceless, I'm keeping racism alive by denouncing racists... fucking Triple A Priceless....
And I have no idea why you bring up Robert Byrd and shit? Do you have some info that I voted for him or some shit? Did I send him money? Do I have a picture on my wall of him that I kiss before going out to my weekly KKK gathering ::) What the fuck does that shit have to do with me?
WOW so much for intelligent conversation/discussion Hugo. I will leave you and this topic alone it is clear what is really going on. Sadly it is the very thing discussed in this thread...it can not be made any more clear. This is the first time I have seeen a person create a stew using his own flesh as the meat and then turn around to condemn the person who created the stove of which the stew is being cooked on.
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fucking dude just basically said I'm part of the problem. That I'm a contributing part of why racism is alive and well. If that's the direction he and or you want to take it, I'm out. I have better shit to do than listen to BS like that.
Hey snowflake, how are you doing today? :)
Just for the record, Samson didn't say you were part of the problem. What Samson said was "holding an issue over one's head is why racism exists".
YOU were the one that concluded you were part of the problem, ...then ran from the conversation.
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::) What a joke, you two are blind.
"The Original Man is a new black Man. He is “the Maker, the
Owner, the Cream of the Planet Earth”—and if he stays in The Class, he will
become a—“God of the Universe.”
If you have whites saying shit like that, you have blacks everywhere screaming that's racist.
LOL at the lame arguments here...
1. I'm supposed to look the other way at clearly racist shit that comes out of NOI because LF has said he's only talking about white men in power ::) RETARDED RETARDED RETARDED, NO WHITE PERSON WOULD GET AWAY WITH THE SAME BULLSHIT.
2. That it's all ok for LF because the person that taught him these crazy ideas is actually white, even though he doesn't look white, at all. But it's ok, because it can't be racist if it came from a guy that had some white blood in him.... MORE RETARDED THAN EVER.
3. I'm actually the one keeping racism going, not LF with his statements of superiority and evil white devils.... WHHHHHHAAAAATTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! retarded
Hugo, why are you attacking us?
In answer to the above schlock you posted, are we, or is society as a whole supposed to reject the truths to be found within Christianity, because at one point Christianity justified racism and slavery. Do you remember the brown bag rule, ...or how Christian churches preached that "Blacks were subhuman, and that a subservient state of slavery was their proper condition ordained by God"?
Despite this, we still have Black people as well as whites calling themselves Christians today, and still going to church. How is it, that so many people are able to get past ridiculous nonsense, to embrace truth? Yet you are unable to get past the ridiculous nonsense?
Learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.
PS. where's this David Duke video you two bonded on. I looked all through Samsons posts and couldn't find shit. What a waste of time. My guess is that if it really happened, it must have been zionist related for you two.
Samson and I didn't bond over a David Dukes video. I only thought of it in an attempt to try to see OzmO's side of things, and despite my efforts not to do so, I still see him as a bit of a close-minded jackass for his recalcitrance.
It wasn't zionist related. if it had been zionist related you know you would have been on that like white on rice. lol
But really, LOL that you thought identifying me as the race problem in America was clearing things up ::).... You knew you were goating with that crap, drop the bs.
Actually Hugo, You were the one who came to that conclusion.
And I honestly don't believe Samson was goading you into anything.
C'mon, this is Samson we're talking about. We've seen enough of him to know when he setting someone up to be stung. You condemned yourself, then melted down faster than a snowflake in hell. lol.
Despite the unfortunate meltdown, and your childish response since then, I'll give you a heckuva lot more credit than those who aren't even willing to look in the mirror for fear of what they may see reflected back. You've got more testicular fortitude than those prideful idiots who prefer to hide themselves away.
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WOW so much for intelligent conversation/discussion Hugo. I will leave you and this topic alone it is clear what is really going on. Sadly it is the very thing discussed in this thread...it can not be made any more clear. This is the first time I have seeen a person create a stew using his own flesh as the meat and then turn around to condemn the person who created the stove of which the stew is being cooked on.
I can't help it, I've been trying to keep it in, but I can no longer keep it in. If I do, I'll get a hernia!
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/rotflmao.gif)
Samson, that is one of the funniest and most appropriate analogies you've ever made!
QFT!!!
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yea, Ron Paul was talking about it all coming down in the 80's! deficit spending and all. Trade issues where huge all through the 90's. Obviously many were talking about the drug problem in the 80's. The war stuff was being talked about in the 80's and before that. Michael Moore was all over the trade deficit and rich getting richer while the middle class got screwed IN THE 80's and he also talked about it coming to a head that would hurt America. Moore saw that shit coming before a lot in America, of course he was on the front lines of it. The issues with materialism, apathy and losing the youth were all talked about back then. Moore even delt a little with the incarceration issues back then. On the nuclear issues, you had many people talking about it back then and even people like Martin Sheen getting his ass tossed in jail for it.
So now after steering the topic offTOPIC, melting down faster than a snowflake in hell,
...you want to bring it back full circle to be ONTOPIC again? ok.
If you say Ron Paul was discussing this in the 80's, ...I'll take your word for it.
Personally, I'd neve heard of Ron Paul in the 80's. He only recently came to my attention.
You speak of Michael Moore taking about trade issues in the 80's. I do remember him being quite the celebrated star of TIFF in 1987, 88 or 89 if memory serves correctly.
It appears you have found various different people who have discussed or touched upon the various topics Farrakhan addressed in that talk, ...however, do we know of anyone who has discussed ALL these issues together, and who has broken down their symbiotic inter relationship and subsequent effects on America as a whole? That being the case or not, would you say the answer is A,B, C, or D?
I'll give it a B for effort and an F for delivery. The only people that are going to listen to him are blacks and that's his own fault. He's a bit of a doublespeak kind of fella. I pointed out a few things on his site that are clearly racist, but I can go on his site and also find where he says whites are not a problem. Baaa, which is it, we're the evil devils causing all of mankind's problems or we're not the problem? And we were not created in a lab lol...
I didn't ask you to grade the video or his delivery. I also didn't ask you to judge his character or his website. I asked you to determine whether his message in those 3 video clips indicated A, B, C, or D?.
FFsakes Hugo, it's multiple choice. you're not being asked to expend all your brain cells to answer it. lol
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The innuendo is clear as fuck, don't be stupid or act innocent. whoever samson is knows what she was suggesting.
MY SISTER is busy raising a family, taking care of a husband and two little girls.
She doesn't post on GetBig, has never heard of Getbig, and wouldn't post here even if she did.
For someone who got extremely hot under the collar when 333 made an innocent remark asking you how much time you neglected your daughter by posting on Getbig, don't you think it's more than a bit hypocritical to try to bring MY FAMILY into this? You're breaking your own rule. STOP IT! You're making a big enough fool of yourself as it is. Leave my family out of this. Please and Thank You.
As for Samson, I can't speak for him, but I believe if that is what he was suggesting, I don't think he would have "suggested' it. He would have let the hammer fly and flat out stated it. He's no Mary Poppins. That man delivers the medicine straight up, ...without the spoonful of sugar.
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::) I didn't attack anyone in your family. The only way you can pull that off is to say that Samson is so offensive it's an insult to your family... Is that what you're saying?
What I'm saying is that if you expect people to leave references to family members out of their posts, it is not unreasonable of me, or anyone else to expect the same from you. Please and Thank You.
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Ok, I'll remove all reference to your sister which I did not know you had and just leave it at asking if you're related to Samson. Hopefully that can't be taken as an attack. If you were really offended at the original suggestions, I do appologize for that, it wasn't my intention to attack your family.
Thank you. I noticed you have since modified your original post removing all reference to my sister.
No I'm not related to Samson. I don't take that question as an attack, I just think it's racist.
Do you think ALL Black people are related? ;D
I was not offended by the original statement, and I didn't take it as an attack on my family, but I saw where this could lead and thought it was mighty hypocritical considering your over reaction to 333 over his passing remark which was clearly directed towards you and not your daughter.
Speaking of which, how is the little rugrat? I'm gonna assume she's doing ok, and you've never forgotten her at the mall ...yet? ;D
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whites don't smoke crack ;D JK...
But I do have to lol at Samson and you getting righteous about me getting pissed here. Did you read some of Samson's replies to Ozmo when Ozmo was just asking simple questions and trying to start a debate? He got pretty mean with those replies!!! Did you say anything about that? nope.... And samson acting all above that when I do it, lol at that...
No I haven't read any of Samson's remarks to Ozmo, but I did read his reply to you,
...and you are proving him right, as well as continuing to condemn yourself.
You think it's ok to make a racist comment like that to ME, because you are angry at NOI?
Do you think such an attitude perpetuates racism or not? That's weak Hugo, ...so is your mind.
Moderator... moderate yourself.
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I new without whatching his bs speach that wat eber he predicted wasn't uneek I think the fact is, Jag:
You are smitten with Luis the vile whore and are a follower.
And you did have a typo, I quoted it. :D
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Which one of you sissy mod's caved to political pressure from this crack smoking mongoloid and deleted my posts? ( Which were in Hugo's favor BTW).
Im going to guess it was Hugo because he hates America.
Oz seems to be more of an alpha moderator who isn't afraid to take controversial stances. Hugo not so much.
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Nah it was me. I did it. I just want to keep blatant attacks of this particular board. Sorry I should of pmed you.
Check out out the guideline thread, I wanted this board free from personal attacks that were sure to dominate a board like this if not curbed.
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A sad day in getbig history.
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Which one of you sissy mod's caved to political pressure from this crack smoking mongoloid and deleted my posts? ( Which were in Hugo's favor BTW).
Im going to guess it was Hugo because he hates America.
Oz seems to be more of an alpha moderator who isn't afraid to take controversial stances. Hugo not so much.
George Whorewell,
Didn't you know? 24KT/JaguarScams loves to insult and offend people on these boards, but the minute you say something she considers critical or offensive or insulting to her, she goes crying to the mods to have your posts deleted. And the mods, for reasons I do not understand, do whatever she says. She loves insulting others, but she can't take it.
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That didn't happen in this case. I didn't read any complaints.
If 2 people are engaged in a heated argument that's one thing as long as it doesn't digress into pure personal attacks or the personal attacks with in the arguments become to intense or personal. If these things happen those post will be removed. A board like this has the potential for to fall into nothing but personal attacks and for a CT board it won't work.
So if anyone i don't care who it is, including me, starts personally attacking someone those posts need to be removed. And that works because i am not the only mod.
So far it's easy to see who discusses and debates with nothing but ridicule and diversion showing how weak their arguments are. But most already knew that.
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How is it against the board rules, or for that matter OFF topic to point out that there are 2 entire pages of conversation missing from this thread? And how does my pointing that fact out warrant it's removal from the thread as well as a personal attack on me?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=355006.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=355006.0)
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None of that conversation needs to be on this board. If you want to continue it continue it on the Z board.
Otherwise if you have anything else to add to the discussion points of the thread (LF is a prophet or America on its deathbed) do so from now on, Otherwise i will move the rest of thread or lock it.
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How is it against the board rules, or for that matter OFF topic to point out that there are 2 entire pages of conversation missing from this thread? And how does my pointing that fact out warrant it's removal from the thread as well as a personal attack on me?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=355006.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=355006.0)
24KT some people are looking for the TRUTH, some are defacing it and some are changing it to make it more palatable for themselves. Hugo has exposed himself to the point of nakedness after a Meltdown, Breakdown and mental collapse greater than the WTC on 911. Rather than going on trying to make a rock understand take this to heart that there are some who prefer to live in a LIE than to know, Truth Facts, Honesty.
This video clip says it all to me about Hugo and his attempt at rallying supporters for his mindset
Just accept his fallout as confirmation that some people parade around pretending to be one thing....when they are entirely another.
A famous line from Martin Luther King... "It is not where a man stands in a time of comfort and convenience , but where he stands in a time of controversy and turmoil".
Notice how little controversy it took to make him reveal his true nature...
I am just angry he brought this to this board in its infancy.
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Butt ass obvious. Jag=Samson...
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That's a pretty good CT in itself. :)
Its been obvious to me for about a year now lol.
But i its all good. I don't care. I like reading Sammy's posts.
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Butt ass obvious. Jag=Samson...
Really?
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Really?
, yes, samson has been caught many times saying things only jag would say. Plus, they always have eachother's back no matter where they are posting. Like I said before, they have more mutual ass slaps and back pats than the Patriots have racked up lol
Samson says they're both black.
They're both from Canada.
At least one person has claimed to match their IP addresses.
They both hate America or if not hate enjoy saying hateful things about America.
Samson screws up and answers for Jag about as much as Jag ends up answering for Samson, which is a lot.
They always agree.
They're the only two on all of getbig that will say things like: (gasp), Grrrrrr, Arrrggghhh, yeesh
they both get off on hating whites:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=283535.msg4014988#msg4014988
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i have a few questions for Samson
wouldn't the fact that white people generally run the show mean they're dominant, or superior to lesser races?
or are african american peoples just more ethical, and civilized in that they may have the ability to do what whites have, but they wouldn't because they have better morals?
???
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Is this racist?
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Is this racist?
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/BerzerkFury23/1274366423793.jpg?t=1289331962)
That's kind of what I'm trying to say in a non-hateful way. The white devil (and some other races) just happens to be more advanced, don't hate him for that.
Compare Northern Europe (or Japan for instance) to Congo :-\
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Its actually a lesson you learn in all aspects of life, the people that complain the most accomplish the least.
(http://www.douchebagreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/LouisFarrakhan21.jpg)
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(http://votingfemale.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jesse-jackson1.jpg)
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, yes, samson has been caught many times saying things only jag would say. Plus, they always have eachother's back no matter where they are posting. Like I said before, they have more mutual ass slaps and back pats than the Patriots have racked up lol
Samson says they're both black.
So is Obama and Colin Powell. Are you going to accuse me of being them too?
They're both from Canada.
I don't think Samson has ever revealed what country he lives in.
He's has only admitted to being educated in the US
At least one person has claimed to match their IP addresses.
Well then that person would be a liar. There's absolutely no way on earth Samson and I could have the same IP address.
Why don't you ask Ron if we're the same people? He could settle this argument in a heartbeat.
They both hate America or if not hate enjoy saying hateful things about America.
So now I hate America do I? ::) What I've hated was the neo-con agenda that Americans foolishly allowed to unfold in front of their very eyes. Tell me everything I said in the past about Bush was untrue. Tell me I was incorrect when I said Bush and his neo-cons lied to the American people in order to invade Iraq. ...something which you agreed with btw. Why do you not say you hate America?
Samson screws up and answers for Jag about as much as Jag ends up answering for Samson, which is a lot.
What you call a screw up is simply someone jumping into a conversation. Happens all the time. A question is posed to one person, and someone else jumps in to reply.
They always agree.
We don't always agree.
They're the only two on all of getbig that will say things like: (gasp), Grrrrrr, Arrrggghhh, yeesh
I don't think I've ever used yeesh before.
they both get off on hating whites:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=283535.msg4014988#msg4014988
Since when is asking someone to clarify their statement "getting off on hating whites"?
Seriously Hugo, I would love to be a fly on the wall when you look back on all of this and ask yourself what you could possibly have been thinking? It's like your brain is shutting down. How embarrassing! :'(
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Its actually a lesson you learn in all aspects of life, the people that complain the most accomplish the least.
(http://www.douchebagreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/LouisFarrakhan21.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_b1RJ02emR14/TCtJNjXZ0_I/AAAAAAAABoA/7Jtd_4VlNJ4/s400/rev-al-sharpton2.jpg)
(http://votingfemale.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jesse-jackson1.jpg)
What on earth do Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson even have to do with this conversation?
Good grief! It looks like everyone wants to take their clothes off all of a sudden!
What is this... the GetBig nude beach? ::)
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So is Obama and Colin Powell. Are you going to accuse me of being them too?
I don't think Samson has ever revealed what country he lives in.
He's has only admitted to being educated in the US
Well then that person would be a liar. There's absolutely no way on earth Samson and I could have the same IP address.
Why don't you ask Ron if we're the same people? He could settle this argument in a heartbeat.
So now I hate America do I? ::) What I've hated was the neo-con agenda that Americans foolishly allowed to unfold in front of their very eyes. Tell me everything I said in the past about Bush was untrue. Tell me I was incorrect when I said Bush and his neo-cons lied to the American people in order to invade Iraq. ...something which you agreed with btw. Why do you not say you hate America?
What you call a screw up is simply someone jumping into a conversation. Happens all the time. A question is posed to one person, and someone else jumps in to reply.
We don't always agree.
I don't think I've ever used yeesh before.
Since when is asking someone to clarify their statement "getting off on hating whites"?
Seriously Hugo, I would love to be a fly on the wall when you look back on all of this and ask yourself what you could possibly have been thinking? It's like your brain is shutting down. How embarrassing! :'(
When it is all said and done Hugo has actually has PROVEN FARRAKHAN RIGHT!!!!
(http://www.aspencountry.com/assets/product_images/product_lib/34000-34999/34635.jpg)
Maybe he can use this to take a good look at himself and do a personal assessment... TO use the word of Obama...CHANGE
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When it is all said and done Hugo has actually has PROVEN FARRAKHAN RIGHT!!!!
(http://www.aspencountry.com/assets/product_images/product_lib/34000-34999/34635.jpg)
Maybe he can use this to take a good look at himself and do a personal assessment... TO use the word of Obama...CHANGE
Well one particular line from a Farrakhan speech that I will never forget that I believe has the definite ring of truth was said during the million man march on Washington DC when Farrakhan said "The problem with America, is she refuses to let a child of her former slaves, tell her what is wrong with the country."
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Well one particular line from a Farrakhan speech that I will never forget that I believe has the definite ring of truth was said during the million man march on Washington DC when Farrakhan said "The problem with America, is she refuses to let a child of her former slaves, tell her what is wrong with the country."
AMEN
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LOL, I've proven LF right? BWAAAAA Whatever... And give it up, everyone knows you two are one and the same. End the bullshit finally.
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Why not ask Ron if we are the same?
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Why not ask Ron if we are the same?
don't be stupid, everyone knows about proxies and the only way Ron can nail you is if you're not using a proxy of some kind. And don't tell me you don't know about it, it's only been talked about on the board a zillion times and I know you have read some of those threads.
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don't be stupid, everyone knows about proxies and the only way Ron can nail you is if you're not using a proxy of some kind. And don't tell me you don't know about it, it's only been talked about on the board a zillion times and I know you have read some of those threads.
Just because I know what they are doesn't mean I know how to use them.
If I did I'd be getting my Jon Stewart re-runs from comedy central and not the comedynetwork.
Whatever, you go on thinking whatever you want to and I'll continue to consider you a fool because of it.
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Just because I know what they are doesn't mean I know how to use them.
If I did I'd be getting my Jon Stewart re-runs from comedy central and not the comedynetwork.
Whatever, you go on thinking whatever you want to and I'll continue to consider you a fool because of it.
well then we're taking your word for it and you know about how far that goes here lol...
You considering me a fool... I give a rats ass... not ;D seriously, not....