Ephedra & Ephedrine & ECA - Information and Questions

[DK II]

ECA stack with or without aspirin for a natural?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=141767.0

with is better i think.

Take low dose children's aspirine when you feel your blood pressure is going through the roof (headache). Be careful if you have a sensitive stomach though.

[BigSexy50]

Sweet thanks!  I was looking at Lipodrene but didn't want to pay $30 for it.  I've been doing a lot of research on ECA stacks and now i'm ready to take the plunge.  After reading this it has given me quite a bit of insight on the pros and cons as well as how you should base your workouts in terms of side effects.

EDIT:  Just did some number crunching and came up with this:

$13.50 VasoPro 24pills – 3x a day = 8 day supply.
$6.00 NoDoz 100pills – 3x a day = 33 day supply.
$5.00 Advil 80pills – 3x a day = 27 day supply.

You will need roughly 3 VasoPros if you use the three weeks on one off method, 1 NoDoz, 2 Advils which will run you well into the next month.  That equates to $56.50/mo.  Not including shipping if you buy online.

Now compare Lipo6 to that.  BB.com has it listed for $27.49, add in shipping and you’re looking at roughly $33.00 for the bottle.  It has 120 liqui-caps.  For extreme fat loss, they say to take 2 pills 3 times a day.  This would mean that bottle will last you 20 days.  So you would have to buy another one which will stretch into part of next month and you’re facing $66.00.  But, if you use the normal dosage which is two times a day you’re looking at that lasting you exactly 30 days.  Which would be only $33.00/mo.

Why are you buying Advil?  You need aspirin.  Advil is ibuprofen.

[Cerberus2k7]

Why are you buying Advil?  You need aspirin.  Advil is ibuprofen.

Tired when I wrote that.  I guess I should have typed "81mg Bayer".

[suckmymuscle]

45 minutes of cardio is a waste of time.

High intensity, 15 minutes.

You have to give your body a reason to lose fat.

  In 15 minutes you will burn mostly glycogen, not fat. Adipose is a "slow" fuel and you only start burning it after 20 minutes of exercise. One hour of moderate cardio will burn far more fat than 15 minutes of hardcore exercise. The latter is better to increase VO2 max, but not to burn fat.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[DK II]

  In 15 minutes you will burn mostly glycogen, not fat. Adipose is a "slow" fuel and you only start burning it after 20 minutes of exercise. One hour of moderate cardio will burn far more fat than 15 minutes of hardcore exercise. The latter is better to increase VO2 max, but not to burn fat.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Not true.

Fatburning starts from the first minute. In trained people, the energy is taken from fat, in not trained people from glycogen.

[DK II]

I say jump rope for 5 minutes to get your body and heart really warmed up, then start sprints.

Yes, that is very intense.

Good idea is to mix sprints and medium speed running.

[~flower~]

Ephedrine Hydrochloride vs Ephedrine.....

  any dif, is there any truth to the below statement?

Contrary to Popular Beliefs, NOT ALL EPHEDRINE IS CREATED EQUAL. Many weight loss products contain Ephedrine HCL. This is synthetic Ephedrine designed for Asthma relief. Many companies try to cash in on the weight loss market by selling Ephedrine HCL as a Weight Loss product.

[Princess L]

Ephedrine Hydrochloride vs Ephedrine.....
Ephedrine HCL vs ephedrine sulfate? or ephedra?
  any dif, is there any truth to the below statement?

Contrary to Popular Beliefs, NOT ALL EPHEDRINE IS CREATED EQUAL. Many weight loss products contain Ephedrine HCL. This is synthetic pharmaceutical Ephedrine designed for Asthma relief.  correct  Many companies try to cash in on the weight loss market by selling Ephedrine HCL as a Weight Loss product.  Because when combined with caffeine it works 

[~flower~]

 I think they are comparing Ephedrine HCL (synthetic) to Ephedrine alkaloids?  This is where I got that statement:

http://www.internationalsupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=238

[G o a t b o y]

This is where I got that statement:

http://www.internationalsupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=238

I hope you're not considering ordering their overpriced crap, are you?


If you want an effective and inexpensive ECA stack that's just as good or better, go to Walgreens or CVS and buy the following:

[~flower~]

No, I just want someone to answer the question. 


Bronkaid is SULFATE.  So does it matter if it is HCL, SULFATE or ALKALOID?

   

[G o a t b o y]

No, I just want someone to answer the question. 


Bronkaid is SULFATE.  So does it matter if it is HCL, SULFATE or ALKALOID?

   

Ephedrine sulphate and ephedrine HCL are pharmaceutical products and either will work fine...  doesn't matter which one. 

Ephedra alkaloids are herbal extracts...  you're better off with one of the others.

Hope this helps.

[candidate2025]

i just started an eca stack a few days ago...and i have been doign it three times daily as many said to on this site.

i am using bronkaid, ripped fuel EXTREME(lol), green tea extract, and bayer 81 mg..
dosages were one bronkaid(25mg ephedrine sulfate), two ripped fuel(a shitload of caffiene and other fat loss aiding herbs), two green tea extracts, and one bayer...

but i think i am going to start using it only once a day, which will be in the morning rigtht before i do my cardio on an empty stomach. and i think i will only do this 6 days a week.


i have an extremely addictive personality, a huge hatred of fat cells, and a history of checmical dependancy..so i need to be careful with anything that has a history of causing addiction, or abuse. especially in the area of personal fitness, and ESPECIALLY in the area of fat loss.


a good ole fashion diet with my weight training while doing cardio 2x daily as well works fantastic for fat loss anyways...as long as i dont cheat and dont skip cardio.

[Iron_Sheik]

25mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 81mg of aspirin.

 You can get the ephedrine with a bottle of 'VasoPro' which is easily bought on BB.com. 200mg of caffiene with NoDoz which can be bought anywhere and same with the aspirin...Bayer or baby aspirin.


 Take them all at the same time...wash it down in the early morning with a warm cup of GreenTea(sugar free). Then take a serving of BCAA's and a little bit of glutamine. Then hit cardio for 40 minutes striving to burn 100-120 calories every 10 minutes. BEFORE your breakfast in the morning.

 Good luck. 

Sound advice. For simple conversions 81mg = 1 baby aspirin, 200mg = 1 Vivarin, 25 mg of Ephedrine = 1 Bronkaid.

From www.drugstore.com = $30.47. Based on Blocks suggestion of twice per day that's a roughly a 1 month supply before you run out of Bronkaid.

[candidizzle]

everyone keeps mentioning the ECA DIET as the thing to use these days. But what about ZENALEAN STACK?  It seems to be just as strong if not stronger.  Anyone tried it yet.  Please let me know.

that is pretty much an eca stack...minus the aspirin and with a weak herbal form of ephedra

[candidizzle]

heres my idea of an eca stack... green tea with hoodia, 25 mg ephedrine, stacker 2(200 mg caffeine), yohimbe hcl, 162 mg aspirin, l-carnitine, a menthol cigarette, and a few bcaa's...     

[DK II]

with the amount of cocaine and extacy i used to do... a little caffiene and ephedrine is probably not going to hurt me anymore.  i actually dont even feel jacked up off that at all...   it sucks.   

Ephedrine and Yohimbine is a deadly mix.

[gtbro1]

Ephedrine and Yohimbine is a deadly mix.

 yep. Ephedrine alone doesn't do much to my BP but mixed with Yohimbe it went through the roof. 170 over 104

[Princess L]

with the amount of cocaine and extacy i used to do... a little caffiene and ephedrine is probably not going to hurt me anymore.  i actually dont even feel jacked up off that at all...   it sucks.   

 yep. Ephedrine alone doesn't do much to my BP but mixed with Yohimbe it went through the roof. 170 over 104

Add some heavy squats or deadlifts to the mix and you can kiss your ass goodbye with some luck in a single training. 

A gal at the gym just lost her husband to a heart attack.  Coke, ephedra, and other stims were all part of his previous lifestyle.  29 years old!  Left behind 3 little kids 

[Rimbaud]

it really depends.. i started out doing cocaine as just a pre-workout supplement..pretty fucking stupid, i know....but thats what i did...and iw oudl combine an 8 ball of coke with some ephedra and a couple redlines and go hit up a leg day or a back day...yeah my heart wiould get fucking pounding sometimes...even to the point where ig ot a bit scared...but im alive, and ive had SEVERAL different doctors and heart specialists check me out to make sure i didnt damage myself. (in rehab i told everyone about these exploits...and they all demanded me to go to a bunch of specialists to make sure i was okay.)

What made you think coke pre workout was a good idea.

BTW - why are you adding cigarettes to you ECA stack?

[Vitamism]

Geranamine is better than ephedrine...Less sides and better fat burning effects...

Hey Gamma, thanks for the tip! been getting it for my clients and they are raving about it!

[suckmymuscle]

Smoking has NO place in BB, especially not if you are on the juice and ECA. Candidizzle is too careless with his body and he will pay the price.

  True, but nicotine has several ergogenic properties. I recommend nicotine for everyone.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  P.S: I had to remove your personal insult. Sorry.

[Necrosis]

  True, but nicotine has several ergogenic properties. I recommend nicotine for everyone.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  P.S: I had to remove your personal insult. Sorry.

do you cycle the patches or do you take the gum?

[suckmymuscle]

do you cycle the patches or do you take the gum?

  Gum. Why would I use patches, since they are far more messy and clumsy to use?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  Nicotine is the best thing there is for stronger muscular contraction and lipolysis. Caffeine + ephedrine + aspirin is stronger but increases the risk of stroke far more than nicotine alone - and that's saying something, because nicotine is pretty good at causing strokes -, so I don't recommend it. Also, nicotine is neuroprotective at the low doses that stimulate stronger muscular contractions although neurotoxic at high doses.

  Nicotine

  Ephedrine

  Caffeine

  Alkaloids rule!

SUCKMYMUSCLE