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Title: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on April 30, 2013, 08:16:32 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/daughter-newtown-victim-confronts-gop-senator-voting-against-012821787.html

video in the link.

"During a town hall event in Warren, N.H. on Tuesday, the daughter of slain Sandy Hook Elementary School principal Dawn Hochsprung went after Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) for voting against expanding background checks on all firearms sales.
 
"You had mentioned that day the burden on owners of gun stores that the expanded background checks would cause," Erica Lafferty said during the town hall. "I am just wondering why the burden of my mother being gunned down in the halls of her elementary school isn't more important than that."


Obviously she is grief stricken b/c no rational person would bring up sandy hook in an attempt to push background checks...OH WAIT!!!!!!!

"Erica, certainly let me just say that I'm obviously so sorry, and as everyone here no matter what our views are, for what you have been through," Ayotte replied, later adding that she wants to prevent that kind of mass shooting from ever occurring again.
 
The GOP senator went on to say that the Sandy Hook tragedy didn't happen because of a flawed "background check system." She stressed the importance of addressing mental health concerns moving forward.
 
Ayotte also offered to speak additionally with Lafferty and said she respected her differing viewpoint on background checks.
 
Lafferty ultimately stormed out of the room after the interaction, according to NBC News, because she "had had enough."



She didnt like the answer of addressing the actual root problem so she stormed out
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 30, 2013, 08:21:06 PM
sad how brainwashed these people are
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 08:18:07 AM
pretty fucking pathetic to refer to the daughter of the principal that was gunned down at Sandy Hook as "fundie liberal"

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Fury on May 01, 2013, 08:31:56 AM
pretty fucking pathetic to refer to the daughter of the principal that was gunned down at Sandy Hook as "fundie liberal"



Not at all. She acted like a petulant child. People die every day. Why is her mother's death so important? Because people like you and her want to politicize it, that's why.

Funny that you act like you have a moral compass now. Twat.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: dr.chimps on May 01, 2013, 08:35:19 AM
Not at all. She acted like a petulant child. People die every day. Why is her mother's death so important?

Funny that you act like you have a moral compass now. Twat.
About as funny as you re-'branding' yourself as Getbig's Bill Kristol.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Fury on May 01, 2013, 08:42:20 AM
About as funny as you re-'branding' yourself as Getbig's Bill Kristol.

Re-branding myself? Ha, that's funny.

I fail to see how I'm a neo-con considering I advocate withdrawing completely from the UN and giving a giant middle finger to all foreign recipients of my taxpayer largess. Kristol is also anti-Ron Paul while I voted libertarian (albeit for Gary Johnson) in the election.


Conclusion reached: You're a moron. Ironic that I used to have the opposite opinion of you. Oh well. Certainly won't lose any sleep over it.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 08:45:16 AM
Not at all. She acted like a petulant child. People die every day. Why is her mother's death so important? Because people like you and her want to politicize it, that's why.

Funny that you act like you have a moral compass now. Twat.

Stalking me again Fairy

Was I talking to you?

If you looked at the video you would see she acted NOTHING like a petulant child.  It seems you don't even know what that term means

Now, why do you get back to your deep fry station and let Tony answer the question
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Al Doggity on May 01, 2013, 08:46:47 AM
Not at all. She acted like a petulant child. People die every day.

 

Definitely pathetic. Just highlights McTones' strange habit of latching onto a word and repeating it into the ground with no consideration of the word's actual meaning.

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Why is her mother's death so important? Because people like you and her want to politicize it, that's why.Funny that you act like you have a moral compass now. Twat.
People aren't slaughtered in schoolhouse massacres everyday. Twat.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 08:48:51 AM
Definitely pathetic. Just highlights McTones' strange habit of latching onto a word and repeating it into the ground with no consideration of the word's actual meaning.
People aren't slaughtered in schoolhouse massacres everyday. Twat.

that's exactly what I was wondering

somehow he understands that "fundie" is commonly used as a pejorative so he just decided to tack it on to the word liberal

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 08:54:14 AM
No law would have prevented Sandy Hook shooting other than a total ban, which is not going to happen. 

This woman is brainwashed in thinking her loved one would be alive but for the absence of a law. 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: dr.chimps on May 01, 2013, 08:57:46 AM
Re-branding myself? Ha, that's funny.

I fail to see how I'm a neo-con considering I advocate withdrawing completely from the UN and giving a giant middle finger to all foreign recipients of my taxpayer largess. Kristol is also anti-Ron Paul while I voted libertarian (albeit for Gary Johnson) in the election.


Conclusion reached: You're a moron. Ironic that I used to have the opposite opinion of you. Oh well. Certainly won't lose any sleep over it.
Be a mensch. And edit yourself for length. 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Al Doggity on May 01, 2013, 08:58:21 AM
that's exactly what I was wondering

somehow he understands that "fundie" is commonly used as a pejorative so he just decided to tack it on to the word liberal



He's been using this term  for a while and each time makes less and less sense. If she is testifying based on a personal experience, how is she a "fundie"? That's essentially the opposite of fundie.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 08:58:59 AM
No law would have prevented Sandy Hook shooting other than a total ban, which is not going to happen. 

This woman is brainwashed in thinking her loved one would be alive but for the absence of a law. 

I was wondering how soon someone would bring up that irrelevant point

In fact there could be laws that could have mitigated the damage and death toll (ban on high capacity magazines for example or even much more stringent requirements) but that not the point of background checks.   Background checks are a starting point and to suggest that the starting point would not have prevented this tragedy therefore we should do nothing is an argument that only works on morons
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 09:02:23 AM
I was wondering how soon someone would bring up that irrelevant point

In fact there could be laws that could have mitigated the damage and death toll (ban on high capacity magazines for example or even much more stringent requirements) but that not the point of background checks.   Background checks are a starting point and to suggest that the starting point would not have prevented this tragedy therefore we should do nothing is an argument that only works on morons

so why propose laws that would not have done anything about the reason for the proposal in the first place?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 09:06:52 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-at-least-8-wounded-in-separate-shootings-on-the-south-north-side-20130430,0,4341847.story


dduuhhooooo!!!!!

17 shot last night in Chicago - PASS MORE LAWS!!!
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 09:09:24 AM
so why propose laws that would not have done anything about the reason for the proposal in the first place?

you're too dumb to try to engage in conversation on this topic
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 09:10:02 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-at-least-8-wounded-in-separate-shootings-on-the-south-north-side-20130430,0,4341847.story


dduuhhooooo!!!!!

17 shot last night in Chicago - PASS MORE LAWS!!!

obviously the existing gun laws aren't preventing gun violence so what's the point of having any law at all

right
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 09:11:49 AM
obviously the existing gun laws aren't preventing gun violence so what's the point of having any law at all

right

So tell me what law Chicago can pass to prevent this? 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Al Doggity on May 01, 2013, 09:13:16 AM
so why propose laws that would not have done anything about the reason for the proposal in the first place?

How can you read his response, ask this question and then post the article you posted, but still somehow manage not to put those three things together? Even if you don't agree, how can you be so dissociative  with three consecutive posts?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 09:15:29 AM
So tell me what law Chicago can pass to prevent this? 

we've been over this many time

I don't have time this morning to entertain your willful (or actual) stupidity

btw - don't even bother responding back with some version of the false argument that if we can't prevent 100% of the problem then we shouldn't bother to do anything

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/July-2012/Where-Do-Chicagos-Guns-Come-From/
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 09:16:23 AM
How can you read his response, ask this question and then post the article you posted, but still somehow manage not to put those three things together? Even if you don't agree, how can you be so dissociative  with three consecutive posts?


Not all of us agree that there is a problem requiring a new law on top of the tens of thousands in existence now.  
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Fury on May 01, 2013, 09:22:33 AM
Be a mensch. And edit yourself for length.  

Great rebuttal from one of Getbig's self-styled "intellectuals". Whatever would we do without genius quips like that one above?


Stalking me again Fairy

Was I talking to you?

If you looked at the video you would see she acted NOTHING like a petulant child.  It seems you don't even know what that term means

Now, why do you get back to your deep fry station and let Tony answer the question

If you're looking for a response from a specific person then feel free to PM them.

Stick to sniffing 333's ass, stalker.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 09:24:57 AM
we've been over this many time

I don't have time this morning to entertain your willful (or actual) stupidity

btw - don't even bother responding back with some version of the false argument that if we can't prevent 100% of the problem then we shouldn't bother to do anything

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/July-2012/Where-Do-Chicagos-Guns-Come-From/

So why are there not more crimes in those areas as well? 

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Fury on May 01, 2013, 09:25:39 AM
obviously the existing gun laws aren't preventing gun violence so what's the point of having any law at all

right

Outlawing narcotics sure has done a lot to cut down on their use.  ::)
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: dr.chimps on May 01, 2013, 09:31:18 AM
Great rebuttal from one of Getbig's self-styled "intellectuals". Whatever would we do without genius quips like that one above?
Maybe take oneself less seriously? It will come. In your case, age will bring it.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Fury on May 01, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
Maybe take oneself less seriously? It will come. In your case, age will bring it.

I don't take myself very seriously at all on here. All I stated was that I fail to see how I'm similar to Bill Kristol when I don't share many of his viewpoints.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: dr.chimps on May 01, 2013, 09:45:43 AM
I don't take myself very seriously at all on here. All I stated was that I fail to see how I'm similar to Bill Kristol when I don't share many of his viewpoints.

Anger. Self-righteousness. Lack of compassion. 'Fury.' 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 11:04:42 AM
Great rebuttal from one of Getbig's self-styled "intellectuals". Whatever would we do without genius quips like that one above?


If you're looking for a response from a specific person then feel free to PM them.

Stick to sniffing 333's ass, stalker.

Why do you keep stalking me Fairy

I ask Tony a question and you show up like a gay stalker

btw - what's with your obsessive jealousy with 333

It seems like you get angry and jeolous whenever I engage him in a conversation

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 11:06:40 AM
Why do you keep stalking me Fairy

I ask Tony a question and you show up like a gay stalker

btw - what's with your obsessive jealousy with 333

It seems like you get angry and jeolous whenever I engage him in a conversation




How about we get back to gun control huh? 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 11:16:23 AM

How about we get back to gun control huh? 

tell it to your jealous fanboy

Fairy's MO seems to be to logon and look for any post where I talk to you and then have a jealous fit

maybe you should explain to him that you're only into twinks
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 11:19:33 AM
tell it to your jealous fanboy

Fairy's MO seems to be to logon and look for any post where I talk to you and then have a jealous fit

maybe you should explain to him that you're only into twinks

Im a big boobs big booty and curves on a chick guy - sorry - no twinks for me
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 11:23:43 AM
Im a big boobs big booty and curves on a chick guy - sorry - no twinks for me

if you say so

bad news for Fairy
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Fury on May 01, 2013, 11:27:36 AM
if you say so

bad news for Fairy

It stuns me that you can devote hour-after-hour and day-after-day of your life to stalking him on here. Not only does it ruin the board but I can't believe that you have nothing better going on in your life at 46.

I pity you.  :D
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
It stuns me that you can devote hour-after-hour and day-after-day of your life to stalking him on here. Not only does it ruin the board but I can't believe that you have nothing better going on in your life at 46.

I pity you.  :D

I'll explain it to you Fairy and maybe you will stop stalking me

I sit with 3 computers in front of me most of the time and can easily make a post now and then while working

I understand why that might confuse you since you're most likely employed in the food service industry and have to punch a time clock

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Fury on May 01, 2013, 12:16:33 PM
I'll explain it to you Fairy and maybe you will stop stalking me

I sit with 3 computers in front of me most of the time and can easily make a post now and then while working

I understand why that might confuse you since you're most likely employed in the food service industry and have to punch a time clock



Sitting at a desk with 2 monitors in front of me right now, although I use these for work. I'm impressed that you have 3 monitors to surf the internet all day, though. Bravo.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 12:17:18 PM
Sitting at a desk with 2 monitors in front of me right now, although I use these for work. I'm impressed that you have 3 monitors to surf the internet all day, though. Bravo.

Ban monitors!
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Beth Chapman on May 01, 2013, 01:00:11 PM
Outlawing narcotics sure has done a lot to cut down on their use.  ::)

You have to legalize pot because making it illegal hasn't curbed use--only caused otherwise law-abiding citizens to become criminals by using.

You have to make guns illegal because it will curb their use--not just end up causing otherwise law-abiding citizens to become criminals for the guns they own. 

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 01:08:44 PM
Sitting at a desk with 2 monitors in front of me right now, although I use these for work. I'm impressed that you have 3 monitors to surf the internet all day, though. Bravo.

congratulations on your promotion to the drive thru window
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
congratulations on your promotion to the drive thru window

Is abiding by the rules so hard for you? 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: whork on May 01, 2013, 02:38:33 PM
Re-branding myself? Ha, that's funny.

I fail to see how I'm a neo-con considering I advocate withdrawing completely from the UN and giving a giant middle finger to all foreign recipients of my taxpayer largess. Kristol is also anti-Ron Paul while I voted libertarian (albeit for Gary Johnson) in the election.


Conclusion reached: You're a moron. Ironic that I used to have the opposite opinion of you. Oh well. Certainly won't lose any sleep over it.

You dont pay taxes stop lying.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:04:38 PM
pretty fucking pathetic to refer to the daughter of the principal that was gunned down at Sandy Hook as "fundie liberal"
If she was using the death of her mother to further action that would have actually prevented her mothers death that would be fine.

Instead she was asking why the senator voted against a background check bill that wouldnt have stopped the shooting while using the shooting as her basis for support...

FUNDY LIBTARD
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 04:06:02 PM
If she was using the death of her mother to further action that would have actually prevented her mothers death that would be fine.

Instead she was asking why the senator voted against a background check bill that wouldnt have stopped the shooting while using the shooting as her basis for support...

FUNDY LIBTARD

I've already addressed your false argument on page 1

how about you tell us what a fundy liberal is

did you make that word up yourself ?

I don't recall seeing it before
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:07:12 PM
I was wondering how soon someone would bring up that irrelevant point

In fact there could be laws that could have mitigated the damage and death toll (ban on high capacity magazines for example or even much more stringent requirements) but that not the point of background checks.   Background checks are a starting point and to suggest that the starting point would not have prevented this tragedy therefore we should do nothing is an argument that only works on morons
let me get this straight, this women is using the death of her mother to push a law that wouldnt have prevented the death of her mother and bringing that up is irrelevant?

LMFAO the lengths to which you will go to deflect and justify your viewpoints are endless.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:07:59 PM
tell me this straw, why should I not be able to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
I've already addressed your false argument on page 1

how about you tell us what a fundy liberal is

did you make that word up yourself ?

I don't recall seeing it before
you didnt address shit, you deflected the point with ignorance.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 04:09:57 PM
let me get this straight, this women is using the death of her mother to push a law that wouldnt have prevented the death of her mother and bringing that up is irrelevant?

LMFAO the lengths to which you will go to deflect and justify your viewpoints are endless.

yes, it's a false argument but I don't doubt for a second that you'll understand it or stop doing it

now what exactly is a fundy liberal

I was wondering how soon someone would bring up that irrelevant point

In fact there could be laws that could have mitigated the damage and death toll (ban on high capacity magazines for example or even much more stringent requirements) but that not the point of background checks.   Background checks are a starting point and to suggest that the starting point would not have prevented this tragedy therefore we should do nothing is an argument that only works on morons
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 04:10:34 PM
tell me this straw, why should I not be able to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?

you personally should not even be allowed to own a computer much less a gun
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:14:10 PM
yes, it's a false argument but I don't doubt for a second that you'll understand it or stop doing it

now what exactly is a fundy liberal

ahhhh this woman wasnt arguing for many laws she was arguing for one specific law, a background check law and was using her mothers death to push it...which we all know wouldnt have prevented her mothers death

nowhere in the senators comments did she say she was against imposing new laws, but laws that actually addressed the root problem which is mental health.

your "rebuttle" is as irrelevant as the fundy liberals in the video.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:14:41 PM
you personally should not even be allowed to own a computer much less a gun
ok, why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed then?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 04:16:41 PM
ahhhh this woman wasnt arguing for many laws she was arguing for one specific law, a background check law and was using her mothers death to push it...which we all know wouldnt have prevented her mothers death

nowhere in the senators comments did she say she was against imposing new laws, but laws that actually addressed the root problem which is mental health.

your "rebuttle" is as irrelevant as the fundy liberals in the video.

the "root problem as mental health" is your claim

where has this been absolutely identified as the "root problem" for the gun violence in this country

did I miss your  explanation of fundy liberal?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:26:08 PM
the "root problem as mental health" is your claim

where has this been absolutely identified as the "root problem" for the gun violence in this country

did I miss your  explanation of fundy liberal?
ahhh, so now your argument is about all gun violence then? not just the mass shootings?

how is background checks going to prevent those, the majority of which are drug related?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 04:33:35 PM
ahhh, so now your argument is about all gun violence then? not just the mass shootings?

how is background checks going to prevent those, the majority of which are drug related?

when did I ever say the argument was only about mass shootings
when did I say a background check alone would prevent the majority of anything?

btw - what exactly is the problem a background check anyway

why shouldn't we check the background of ANYONE and EVERYONE

we should not only have them for all transactions we should have the annually or semi annually

Did you happen to notice the terms "WELL REGULATED" in the 2nd amendment

sounds like the founders were all for a lot of regulation or at least left the door wide open for it
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:41:20 PM
when did I ever say the argument was only about mass shootings
when did I say a background check alone would prevent the majority of anything?

btw - what exactly is the problem a background check anyway

why shouldn't we check the background of ANYONE and EVERYONE

we should not only have them for all transactions we should have the annually or semi annually

Did you happen to notice the terms "WELL REGULATED" in the 2nd amendment

sounds like the founders were all for a lot of regulation or at least left the door wide open for it
b/c the govt will undoubtedly keep records of who owns the guns. I like 48% of america I believe that the govt could use that list to help confiscate guns in the future.

what % of guns used in violent crimes are obtained legally without a background check?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:42:11 PM
why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 04:44:42 PM
b/c the govt will undoubtedly keep records of who owns the guns. I like 48% of america I believe that the govt could use that list to help confiscate guns in the future.

what % of guns used in violent crimes are obtained legally without a background check?

I know that's one of the arguments people like to make that it will lead...down the road to "records" but I say so what

I would hope they have records otherwise what's the point and what exactly is the problem with having a record of who owns a specific firearm.   That seems like a good thing for LE to know when trying to solve a crime

we keep records of who owns cars, medical devices and all kinds of other shit so why shouldn't we keep records of who owns deadly weapons
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:49:14 PM
I know that's one of the arguments people like to make that it will lead...down the road to "records" but I say so what

I would hope they have records otherwise what's the point and what exactly is the problem with having a record of who owns a specific firearm.   That seems like a good thing for LE to know when trying to solve a crime

we keep records of who owns cars, medical devices and all kinds of other shit so why shouldn't we keep records of who owns deadly weapons
thats an argument that more americans believe in than dont believe in.......

the so what is that while we all know that you dont care if they confiscate all guns, MANY ppl do and those that do dont want to give anybody any help in doing so.

how many violent gun acts are perpetrated with guns obtained legally without background checks straw?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?
no answer?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Skip8282 on May 01, 2013, 04:51:15 PM


btw - what exactly is the problem a background check anyway









Yeah, but they didn't go for a simple background check in the bill.

They tried to penalize States that didn't provide information in accordance with Administration standards.

They wanted the AG to develop the eligibility requirements.

They wanted to spend 400 million to enact changes.

They wanted to nail people for a federal offense if they didn't report a gun lost or stolen within 24 hrs.

and on.

You get the point.  If they would have stuck to something more basic, I think it may have passed.


Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Skip8282 on May 01, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
no answer?



no rational one


Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 04:59:04 PM





Yeah, but they didn't go for a simple background check in the bill.

They tried to penalize States that didn't provide information in accordance with Administration standards.

They wanted the AG to develop the eligibility requirements.

They wanted to spend 400 million to enact changes.

They wanted to nail people for a federal offense if they didn't report a gun lost or stolen within 24 hrs.

and on.

You get the point.  If they would have stuck to something more basic, I think it may have passed.




you got a source or link for any of those claims?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 05:08:18 PM
why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Skip8282 on May 01, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
you got a source or link for any of those claims?



You can read the bill yourself and see what was in it.

I think this is the latest version.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s374#overview


The part about it being the reason for not passing is just my opinion.  BTW, it's not completely dead.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 05:24:14 PM


You can read the bill yourself and see what was in it.

I think this is the latest version.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s374#overview


The part about it being the reason for not passing is just my opinion.  BTW, it's not completely dead.

Thanks, I will check it out

The reason I asked is because there seemed to be a lot of misinformation about what was in the legislation so I'm not assuming anything about it is accurate without proof

Below is just one example

Quote
Manchin also criticized the NRA, who had given him an A rating, for distorting the substance of his amendment.
“I was surprised when the latest alerts from the NRA were filled with so much misinformation about the firearms background check legislation,” he said.

Manchin said the gun-owners-rights’ group told members the bill would criminalize the private transfer of firearms.

“I don’t know how to put the words any plainer than this: that is a lie,” he said.


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Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 05:25:43 PM
why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 05:28:05 PM


what's a fundy liberal ?

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 05:48:00 PM
what's a fundy liberal ?


to paint with a broad brush anyone who shares your viewpoints....but then again its probably the same as your definition of fundie.

seeing as you use that word all the time as well...

now why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Skip8282 on May 01, 2013, 05:49:43 PM
what's a fundy liberal ?







It's short for Fundamentalist Liberal [retarded] Douchebags.

First coined by McTones on GetBig to describe a group of incredibly moronic people for which rational, reasonable, and critical thought is absent, whilst their strict adherence to fundamental libtard principles remains in tact, the term is now widely understood to include most liberals and 'progressives'.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 05:53:34 PM
to paint with a broad brush anyone who shares your viewpoints....but then again its probably the same as your definition of fundie.

seeing as you use that word all the time as well...

now why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?

so whats the difference between a liberal and a fundie liberal

The standard definition of a "fundie" is a fundamentalist christian (you know the kind that thinks the earth if 6000 year old, and all the other nonsense).   It has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat so I'm not seeing how you're applying the word fundie to the word liberal unless you're suggesting that the certain liberals are also fundamentalist christians

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 05:57:13 PM




It's short for Fundamentalist Liberal [retarded] Douchebags.

First coined by McTones on GetBig to describe a group of incredibly moronic people for which rational, reasonable, and critical thought is absent, whilst their strict adherence to fundamental libtard principles remains in tact, the term is now widely understood to include most liberals and 'progressives'.
LOL like I said anybody who shares the same views as strawman
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 06:00:37 PM
so whats the difference between a liberal and a fundie liberal

The standard definition of a "fundie" is a fundamentalist christian (you know the kind that thinks the earth if 6000 year old, and all the other nonsense).   It has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat so I'm not seeing how you're applying the word fundie to the word liberal unless you're suggesting that the certain liberals are also fundamentalist christians
standard definition? according to whom?

so whats the difference between a fundie and a christian?

as for your question the difference between a fundy liberal and a liberal is that for liberals the ends dont justify the means. They still use logic in their thinking, someone trying to use an event to push legislation that wouldnt have prevented that event ISNT USING LOGIC
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 06:12:13 PM
standard definition? according to whom?

so whats the difference between a fundie and a christian?


as for your question the difference between a fundy liberal and a liberal is that for liberals the ends dont justify the means. They still use logic in their thinking, someone trying to use an event to push legislation that wouldnt have prevented that event ISNT USING LOGIC

fundamentalist christian is not a term that I made up (I assume you know this)

you can find many different places on the web that will provide you with a definition of a fundamentalist christian and explain the difference between fundamentalist as compared to many different sects of christians

Since you actually appear to have coined the term "fundy liberal" it's perfectly reasonable to ask you to explain your own creation

so far your explanation makes no sense at all
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 06:18:46 PM
fundamentalist christian is not a term that I made up (I assume you know this)

you can find many different places on the web that will provide you with a definition of a fundamentalist christian and explain the difference between fundamentalist as compared to many different sects of christians

Since you actually appear to have coined the term "fundy liberal" it's perfectly reasonable to ask you to explain your own creation

so far your explanation makes no sense at all
I never said you made it up, you said fundie is standard definition for fundamentalist christian....again according to whom?

Actually you can google and do the same for fundie liberal as well...many explanitions...

so, why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 06:29:40 PM
I never said you made it up, you said fundie is standard definition for fundamentalist christian....again according to whom?

Actually you can google and do the same for fundie liberal as well...many explanitions...

so, why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine



it's a colloquialism and I'm sure most everyone who  sees or hears it used knows that it refers to a fundamentalist christian though I think it could be used to refer to a fundamentalist type in any religion though the reference to certain type christian is most common

why am I not surprised that you don't know this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 06:34:49 PM
it's a colloquialism and I'm sure most everyone who  sees or hears it used knows that it refers to a fundamentalist christian though I think it could be used to refer to a fundamentalist type in any religion though the reference to certain type christian is most common

why am I not surprised that you don't know this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism
now take that understanding of the word fundamentalism and apply it to a liberal political ideology....LMFAO i didnt think it was that hard to understand but I guess it is......
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 06:42:34 PM
now take that understanding of the word fundamentalism and apply it to a liberal political ideology....LMFAO i didnt think it was that hard to understand but I guess it is......

go right ahead

it's your word

you created it

all I asked it that you explain the definition

I have no idea what the difference is between a fundy liberal and just a liberal

obviously you must have had some distinction in mind when you coined the term

It couldn't just be that you thought "fundie = bad so I'll just attach it to the work liberal"

so tell us the difference

be as explicit as you possibly can so that we have a clear understanding of the difference
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 06:44:48 PM
go right ahead

it's your word

you created it

all I asked it that you explain the definition

I have no idea what the difference is between a fundy liberal and just a liberal

obviously you must have had some distinction in mind when you coined the term

It couldn't just be that you thought "fundie = bad so I'll just attach it to the work liberal"

so tell us the difference

be as explicit as you possibly can so that we have a clear understanding of the difference
I didnt create shit, Im guessing you didnt google it our you would have seen multiple links from years ago............

SOOOOOOOO, http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=477053.0 wanna answer the question?(he asked knowing, it would be side stepped yet again)
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 06:52:05 PM
I didnt create shit, Im guessing you didnt google it our you would have seen multiple links from years ago............

SOOOOOOOO, http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=477053.0 wanna answer the question?(he asked knowing, it would be side stepped yet again)

I thought you did create and Skip offered up the same guess
It's short for Fundamentalist Liberal [retarded] Douchebags.

First coined by McTones on GetBig to describe a group of incredibly moronic people for which rational, reasonable, and critical thought is absent, whilst their strict adherence to fundamental libtard principles remains in tact, the term is now widely understood to include most liberals and 'progressives'.

I don't recall seeing anyone else use it so if you didn't create it then that's fine

I assume we can both agree you're the who typed it in the title of this thread
I didn't see it used anywhere in the story that you included in your first post on this thread
I read the story and didn't even see Erica Lafferty referred to as a liberal

So again, I assume we can both agree that you're the one who chose to refer to Erica Lafferty as a "Fundy Liberal"

Still just trying to understand exactly what you meant by that word
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: tonymctones on May 01, 2013, 06:54:15 PM
I thought you did create and Skip offered up the same guess
I don't recall seeing anyone else use it so if you didn't create it then that's fine

I assume we can both agree you're the who typed it in the title of this thread
I didn't see it used anywhere in the story that you included in your first post on this thread
I read the story and didn't even see Erica Lafferty referred to as a liberal

So again, I assume we can both agree that you're the one who chose to refer to Erica Lafferty as a "Fundy Liberal"

Still just trying to understand exactly what you meant by that word
oh sweet goodness, piss off already you moron...I have never seen someone argue over minutiae the way you do, all the while deflecting and side stepping points and questions.

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 01, 2013, 07:08:35 PM
oh sweet goodness, piss off already you moron...I have never seen someone argue over minutiae the way you do, all the while deflecting and side stepping points and questions.

All I did was ask you want you meant by a word that you used that I've never heard before

I assumed you actually knew what it meant since you're the one that chose to refer to this woman as a fundy liberal

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Pray_4_War on May 01, 2013, 10:05:48 PM
why should a law abiding citizen not be allowed to own an "assault rifle" and a "high capacity" magazine?

Crickets chirping

Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Pray_4_War on May 01, 2013, 10:25:09 PM
I was wondering how soon someone would bring up that irrelevant point

In fact there could be laws that could have mitigated the damage and death toll (ban on high capacity magazines for example or even much more stringent requirements)

Have you ever changed a magazine on an AR15?

It takes seconds.  Slightly longer than it takes to blink your eye.  All you have to do is hit the magazine release and your current mag falls on the floor.  Grab another mag from you belt, vest, or pocket and pop it in.  Pull the charging handle back to chamber a round and you are good to go.  Seconds.  If no one is shooting back at you you could kill exactly the same amount of people with three 10 rounds magazines as you could with one 30 rounder.  The proposed "high capacity" ban is an enormous waste of time.

What the .gov needs to do is enforce the laws that are already on the books.  Also, stop giving probation and infinite second chances to violent criminals.  Stop making felons into the victims because of their race.  Start protecting the real victims of violent crime.  When murdering rapist criminals get caught in the USA illegally, deport them.  Also, If a criminal tries to purchase a firearm and the existing background check catches it, FOLLOW UP!  

That will never happen.  We already have thousands of gun laws.  The .gov doesn't enforce them so it will appear that the laws aren't working and we need, you guessed it, more laws.  It's a cycle of bullshit and I can only hope that the few Americans left that have half a brain start to point that out to the Erica Laffertys of the world.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 02, 2013, 07:24:26 AM
LOL!!!  Worth repeating.

Quote
Quote from: LurkerNoMore on March 28, 2013, 09:35:08 AM
Good luck with that. He overcompensates by trying to string buzz words together in an attempt to sound witty and knowledgeable which in reality leaves any argument or stance of his with a bigger gap in it than there was before.

Particularly amusing is his habit of trying to reverse your statement back in the form of a rhetorical question in the hopes that you will make his argument for him.  Since he isn't exactly sure of what he is trying to say or how to convey it. 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Tedim on May 02, 2013, 07:30:12 AM
Have you ever changed a magazine on an AR15?

It takes seconds.  Slightly longer than it takes to blink your eye.  All you have to do is hit the magazine release and your current mag falls on the floor.  Grab another mag from you belt, vest, or pocket and pop it in.  Pull the charging handle back to chamber a round and you are good to go.  Seconds.  If no one is shooting back at you you could kill exactly the same amount of people with three 10 rounds magazines as you could with one 30 rounder.  The proposed "high capacity" ban is an enormous waste of time.

What the .gov needs to do is enforce the laws that are already on the books.  Also, stop giving probation and infinite second chances to violent criminals.  Stop making felons into the victims because of their race.  Start protecting the real victims of violent crime.  When murdering rapist criminals get caught in the USA illegally, deport them.  Also, If a criminal tries to purchase a firearm and the existing background check catches it, FOLLOW UP!  

That will never happen.  We already have thousands of gun laws.  The .gov doesn't enforce them so it will appear that the laws aren't working and we need, you guessed it, more laws.  It's a cycle of bullshit and I can only hope that the few Americans left that have half a brain start to point that out to the Erica Laffertys of the world.

Charging handle automatically locks on the last round fired...after clip is inserted all you have to do is hit the bolt release...FYI
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Straw Man on May 02, 2013, 08:04:41 AM
Have you ever changed a magazine on an AR15?

It takes seconds.  Slightly longer than it takes to blink your eye.  All you have to do is hit the magazine release and your current mag falls on the floor.  Grab another mag from you belt, vest, or pocket and pop it in.  Pull the charging handle back to chamber a round and you are good to go.  Seconds.  If no one is shooting back at you you could kill exactly the same amount of people with three 10 rounds magazines as you could with one 30 rounder.  The proposed "high capacity" ban is an enormous waste of time.

What the .gov needs to do is enforce the laws that are already on the books.  Also, stop giving probation and infinite second chances to violent criminals.  Stop making felons into the victims because of their race.  Start protecting the real victims of violent crime.  When murdering rapist criminals get caught in the USA illegally, deport them.  Also, If a criminal tries to purchase a firearm and the existing background check catches it, FOLLOW UP!  

That will never happen.  We already have thousands of gun laws.  The .gov doesn't enforce them so it will appear that the laws aren't working and we need, you guessed it, more laws.  It's a cycle of bullshit and I can only hope that the few Americans left that have half a brain start to point that out to the Erica Laffertys of the world.

I'll take the few extra seconds when it's happening while a nutbag is mowing down unarmed people.   I'd rather give that advantage to the potential victims any day of the week.  And although you may be able to practice doing it in seconds when you're under no stress when you put it in the hands of a deranged person with no experience in the middle of a very stressful situation and it might just take a bit longer than a few seconds.   Again, I'll take moving that slight advantage over to the unarmed crowd of potential victims than our sympathetic potential shooter.   

If I recall correctly the shooter in Arizona was only stopped because he dropped his magazine when trying to reload (after having emptied 33 round magazine).

If he had to stop after 9 or 10 rounds there would be a lot less dead people

period
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Pray_4_War on May 02, 2013, 09:32:43 AM
Charging handle automatically locks on the last round fired...after clip is inserted all you have to do is hit the bolt release...FYI

How does that advance the discussion?  The bottom line is that it takes seconds.  It's a very uncomplicated process that even a retard could do quickly.  Bolt release or otherwise. 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 02, 2013, 09:39:42 AM
How does that advance the discussion?  The bottom line is that it takes seconds.  It's a very uncomplicated process that even a retard could do quickly.  Bolt release or otherwise. 

most of these liberal beta-twinks have never fired an AR so they have no clue whatsoever. 
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Tedim on May 02, 2013, 09:40:47 AM
How does that advance the discussion?  The bottom line is that it takes seconds.  It's a very uncomplicated process that even a retard could do quickly.  Bolt release or otherwise. 

I was just correcting the weapons function description....I could care less about the discussion. If semi-autos become "illegal", I'll still own them! Weapons possession or dead......hmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Pray_4_War on May 02, 2013, 10:00:23 AM
I was just correcting the weapons function description....I could care less about the discussion. If semi-autos become "illegal", I'll still own them! Weapons possession or dead......hmmmmmm.

I respect your attention to detail.  I wouldn't want these liberal pussies to think that they could just pop another mag in and start shooting without chambering a round.  When the economy takes a shit(any day now) they will realize that learning to shoot is valuable.   
Title: Re: Fundy liberal "storms out" after Senator says to address the real issue
Post by: Tedim on May 02, 2013, 11:42:28 AM
I respect your attention to detail.  I wouldn't want these liberal pussies to think that they could just pop another mag in and start shooting without chambering a round.  When the economy takes a shit(any day now) they will realize that learning to shoot is valuable.   
If all hell breaks loose I'll be visiting all the local libs....they don't have guns, I DO!

I'll eat good...they....no so much.