...

[anabolichalo]

...

[kyomu]

I used to stick with lots of pressing and i was using really heavy for them.
But my delts were staying small.

But, since changing it to laterals(very light and super strict and 20reps) a lot, my delts has started to grow and my side and front delts are no more my weak bodyparts now.

They are small muscle groups. So its impossible to handle such a heavy weight like some do. OK, if you have very good genetic, they grow in every way.

[kyomu]

so they also say "start with rear delt"


shuld i then do


*rear delt raises

*side delt raises

*front delt raises

*military press (optional?)

Thats what we(paco and I) do every week.

we do


2 rear delts raises movement.

2 side rateral rases movement.


2 presses movement.

Each movement 4 sets.

[kyomu]

Oh adding.
Every sets we perform 15-20. Even 30 reps sometime.

[Rajkapoor]

I used to stick with lots of pressing and i was using really heavy for them.
But my delts were staying small.

But, since changing it to laterals(very light and super strict and 20reps) a lot, my delts has started to grow and my side and front delts are no more my weak bodyparts now.

They are small muscle groups. So its impossible to handle such a heavy weight like some do. OK, if you have very good genetic, they grow in every way.

Dorian yates says the same thing.laterals does the job if u dont use momentum.

[Rajkapoor]

Oh adding.
Every sets we perform 15-20. Even 30 reps sometime.

no this is plain stupid.no point going over 12 reps range expect drop sets.

[njflex]

you train with paco? wtf...?

WHAT ABOUT WIDE GRIP UPRIGHT ROWS? like charles glass & dennis james do?

WIDE uprights are good analcahlo...do them ,,

[njflex]

i notice my delts look "ok" in rear double bicep pose

but look NOT EXISTING in other pose

therefor i think i need to do something drastic (not synthol)

BRO,i think when u do the most muscular pose hand together u don't roll shoulders/arms forward enough and pop traps ,u seem to stick chest out more which looks good already in it..

[kyomu]

you train with paco? wtf...?

WHAT ABOUT WIDE GRIP UPRIGHT ROWS? like charles glass & dennis james do?

Yeah. These shots are from last year. Pec training in his mentors gym(We dont train there).

Wide grip upright is also good. But as i stated, i believe in light weight super strict high reps.

[njflex]

gotta get my posing right for the olympia

'GET BIG OLYMPIA"

[kyomu]

no this is plain stupid.no point going over 12 reps range expect drop sets.

We are not newbe(over 20yrs training) and we tell you.
There is no legit rule for muscle growth factor.

[njflex]

RUN THE RACK SIDE LATERALS HAVE TOTALLY WORKED WELL FOR ME EITHER LIGHT TO HEAVY OR VICE VERSA...USUALLY 3/4 DROPS AND I DO 2X AROUND..ITS BRUTAL..

[kyomu]

they said paco has actually built too much muscles


must be all that light weight

No no. He used to lift super heavy(around 10yrs ago.).
But still lifts heavy today.
We change our training style a lot.(That means sometime heavy and low reps like 5-6reps).
But when it comes to laterals and arms, we always do high reps.
But, shoulder presses, last time we did:

20 reps
10reps
10reps
6reps

[Ace]

i notice my delts look "ok" in rear double bicep pose

but look NOT EXISTING in other pose

therefor i think i need to do something drastic (not synthol)

too bad your shoulders aren't set straight across but rather slopped downwards, just like gay4it's and proundvirgin69

here's you, gay4it and proundvirgin69



but be proud of your outstanding wheels cheif

[Rajkapoor]

We are not newbe(over 20yrs training) and we tell you.
There is no legit rule for muscle growth factor.

training wrong from last 20 year does not make it right.if some one is on shit load of gear he will grow any way no matter how he trains.brunch lunch warren is the proof.over 12 reps are for male fitness models and figure girls.

[kyomu]

you guys seem like "instinctual trainers"

hard to figure this stuff out

Yes exactly.
But I tell you again. We always do high reps raises first then we move to heavy low reps movement generaly.
I said generaly. Not always.

[ProudVirgin69]

too bad your shoulders aren't set straight across but rather slopped downwards, just like gay4it's and proundvirgin69

here's you, gay4it and proundvirgin69


but be proud of your outstanding wheels cheif

Haha where did this come from....I don't think I've ever addressed you directly

[kyomu]

training wrong from last 20 year does not make it right.if some one is on shit load of gear he will grow any way no matter how he trains.brunch lunch warren is the proof.over 12 reps are for male fitness models and figure girls.

Believe or not i am pure natural(even i dont take amino.OK now i take vitargo jaja).
My arms grew with 15-20reps range and now 19inchs. My weight is only 82kg with 171cm height.

[kyomu]

RUN THE RACK SIDE LATERALS HAVE TOTALLY WORKED WELL FOR ME EITHER LIGHT TO HEAVY OR VICE VERSA...USUALLY 3/4 DROPS AND I DO 2X AROUND..ITS BRUTAL..

thats sometime we do. very hard shit.

[falco]

Oh adding.
Every sets we perform 15-20. Even 30 reps sometime.

Do you think high reps give you more size or is it just to avoid injuries?

[Mr Nobody]

thats sometime we do. very hard shit.

Restaurant work is very hard on the front delts. Always picking up heavy objects.

[njflex]

Restaurant work is very hard on the front delts. Always picking up heavy objects.

those trays are a bitch esp loaded with hot wings/blooming onions,cheddar fries,round of cokes..

[kyomu]

Do you think high reps give you more size or is it just to avoid injuries?

Long years i didnt believe in high reps. But the result tells everything.
In japan, there is an old saying. "If you push and it doesnt open, then why dont you try pulling?"

[Grape Ape]

In japan, there is an old saying. "If you push and it doesnt open, then why dont you try pulling?"

Sounds like a jerk off manual.

[Henda]

too bad your shoulders aren't set straight across but rather slopped downwards, just like gay4it's and proundvirgin69

here's you, gay4it and proundvirgin69



but be proud of your outstanding wheels cheif

haha at this little digusting closet fag having the nerve to talk shit about other guys phisiwues.
Thad shape is the result of actually having traps you fucking clown.