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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: tbombz on February 16, 2012, 10:31:35 PM
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oxide tren
strango tren
alpha labs tren
"daman" tren:
who has experience with one or more of these
how did they compare
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BRO GIVE ME A FEW & I'LL COMPARE THESE TRENS:
DEFIANT
DAMAN
STRANGO
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Daman's is awesome!!! 125mg/ml. 1cc EOD does the trick.
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Jinan all the way. Is daman the guy on PM that has 500mg/ml deca and eq on his list? I wouldn't trust anyone that makes those claims
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just use fina, it's the best
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strango all the way :D
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Homebrew
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just use fina, it's the best
Homebrew
this is where im leaning... its only about 20 a bottle that way and guaranteed pure
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this is where im leaning... its only about 20 a bottle that way and guaranteed pure
"guaranteed pure"...Exactly !! ;)
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Mylab..from canada
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Jinan is great, so is strango ;D
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I used the two in the middle and they were good. Best tren I ever used though, was from finaplex pellets with EO as the carrier oil. I actually blacked out doing a set of deadlifts on that stuff. Scary shit.
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Optimum Pharma from Turkey
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SM's tren was strong as shit. Also solid like gold color looking.
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If money is no issue, what's the best solvent for fina pellets? Least pain. Is it EO or GSO?
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SM's tren was strong as shit. Also solid like gold color looking.
Do you find the SM tren isn't actually 10 ml? When I do 1 ml each time, it only lasts me 7 - 8 injections...
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sgos tren 1cc ED i get no night sweats or sides,,,,also have alpha 1cc ED and im soaking my pillow at night,,,very strange,,,but the alpha labs tren crashed so im using sgo tren now,,and damans will be using soon
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If money is no issue, what's the best solvent for fina pellets? Least pain. Is it EO or GSO?
i was going to try EO but heard it increases chances of tren cough so i decided against it. might try it with 5ml @ 200mg/ml just to test it out
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Do you find the SM tren isn't actually 10 ml? When I do 1 ml each time, it only lasts me 7 - 8 injections...
Yup same here, fucking bullshit lol
It's also BUNK as shit, not strong as shit ;) (to AlphaM)
ON a side note, the ethyl oleate will give you more of the metallic taste in your mouth and it smells very strong as compared to grapeseed
As for what's the better oil to use in homebrew, I cannot comment yet, I just started to make some and I personally used GSO
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Yup same here, fucking bullshit lol
It's also BUNK as shit, not strong as shit ;) (to AlphaM)
ON a side note, the ethyl oleate will give you more of the metallic taste in your mouth and it smells very strong as compared to grapeseed
As for what's the better oil to use in homebrew, I cannot comment yet, I just started to make some and I personally used GSO
Nah, it's not bunk. I'm vascular as fuck now, and my strength is WAY up. Just annoying that it's not dosed properly.
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i was going to try EO but heard it increases chances of tren cough so i decided against it. might try it with 5ml @ 200mg/ml just to test it out
i dont know but i dont think it has anythign to do with that.. this is the most logicla explanation i have heard of for tren cough..
It's been widely disussed of Trens fat burning properties through rises in IGF and Prostaglandins. While IGF is a fairly well known substance in the bodybuilding world today, prostaglandins are fairly unknown in terms of formation and roles in the body.
So below, a brief dicription of prostoglandins and their role in fat burning, "fina cough", and why a person going through Tren administration can experience it's fat burning effects without the dreaded "Cough"
The term prostaglandin comes from the word-Prostate. The first prostoglandins were first dicovered in semen about the mid 1930's and it was thought that prostaglandins were made from the prostate. Since this time, it has been dicovered that most prostaglandins are not even constructed in the prostate.
Prostaglandins are made by two different pathways(Cyclooxygenase and Lipoxygenase), and considering prostaglandins are a group of about 20 lipid cells, they have contrary function; responsible for stimulating as well as alleviating inflammation(Inflammation stimulation is the rapid metabolism of them expelled through the bronchials), regulate blood flow to particular organs, control ion transport across membranes, modulate synaptic transmission, induce sleep, mediate lipid release, and regulate metabolism is various tissue.
Prostaglandins are synthesized from arachidonate(Lipoxygenase which catalyze the dioxygenation of polyunsaturated fatty acids) in the cell membrane by the action of phospholipase A2. Cyclooxygenase and lipoxygenase pathways, compete with one another to form prostaglandins(as well as thromboxane or leukotriene-leukotriene being a bronchial stimulator),
In the cyclooxygenase pathway, the prostaglandins D, E and F plus thromboxane and prostacyclin are made. Thromboxanes are made in platelets and cause constriction of vascular smooth muscle and platelet aggregation
Leukotrienes are made in leukocytes and macrophages via the lipoxygenase pathway. They are potent constrictors of the bronchial airways. They are also important in inflammation and hypersensitivity reactions as they increase vascular permeability.
Being that prostaglandins from either pathway, are still fatty acids of a group, they mediate lipid release and controll tissue metabolization, so fat burning is a luxerry of either pathway of formation. It's the pathway from which they are constructed that dictates "fina cough". As prostaglandins made from the Cyclooxygenase pathway dictate muscle constriction and platlet aggregation, and the Lipoxygenase pathway dictates bronchial constriction(the main form of expulsion)
i think blending the tren with a longer ester would help to reduce the cough, slow down absorption just a bit.
on a side note ive been doing research on how to best convert tren. it seems that one can make trenbolone no ester simply by allowing the tren to sit in methyl alcohol overnight.. the MA will cleave off the ester. in the crystal fina method one uses MA to extract the tren from the binders as tren is soluble in MA but the methyl cellulose (binder) is not. so im thinking ill make it this way and hopefull end up with tren base instead of tren ace :P and yup, 200mg/ml is what i wanna do... you wont outdose me aesthetics !!! ;D
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You plannin on running 200mg ED? Gonna run anything along with the tren?
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Yup same here, fucking bullshit lol
It's also BUNK as shit, not strong as shit ;) (to AlphaM)
ON a side note, the ethyl oleate will give you more of the metallic taste in your mouth and it smells very strong as compared to grapeseed
As for what's the better oil to use in homebrew, I cannot comment yet, I just started to make some and I personally used GSO
Superman's Tren? Explain yourself.
Swlabr, mine was dosed properly 10ml.
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If money is no issue, what's the best solvent for fina pellets? Least pain. Is it EO or GSO?
always used gso and never had a problem!
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Superman's Tren? Explain yourself.
Swlabr, mine was dosed properly 10ml.
You didn't read my thread, or the other thread about the tren??? Anyways, long story short, myself and "growing lad" got bunk tren... there's a thread about it where "growing lad" explains his situation, and then there's a thread I started "tren non-responder?"
Not going to get into it again, it was just a little jab and my opinion lol
I'm happy it's working for you, as well as many others, I just got the shit end of the stick :'(
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This homebrew tren i just made i used EO smooth shot thru a 27 guage. Love it. A little tren cough but not often.
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Defiant Labs....don't bother with the rest
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i dont know but i dont think it has anythign to do with that.. this is the most logicla explanation i have heard of for tren cough..
It's been widely disussed of Trens fat burning properties through rises in IGF and Prostaglandins. While IGF is a fairly well known substance in the bodybuilding world today, prostaglandins are fairly unknown in terms of formation and roles in the body.
So below, a brief dicription of prostoglandins and their role in fat burning, "fina cough", and why a person going through Tren administration can experience it's fat burning effects without the dreaded "Cough"
The term prostaglandin comes from the word-Prostate. The first prostoglandins were first dicovered in semen about the mid 1930's and it was thought that prostaglandins were made from the prostate. Since this time, it has been dicovered that most prostaglandins are not even constructed in the prostate.
Prostaglandins are made by two different pathways(Cyclooxygenase and Lipoxygenase), and considering prostaglandins are a group of about 20 lipid cells, they have contrary function; responsible for stimulating as well as alleviating inflammation(Inflammation stimulation is the rapid metabolism of them expelled through the bronchials), regulate blood flow to particular organs, control ion transport across membranes, modulate synaptic transmission, induce sleep, mediate lipid release, and regulate metabolism is various tissue.
Prostaglandins are synthesized from arachidonate(Lipoxygenase which catalyze the dioxygenation of polyunsaturated fatty acids) in the cell membrane by the action of phospholipase A2. Cyclooxygenase and lipoxygenase pathways, compete with one another to form prostaglandins(as well as thromboxane or leukotriene-leukotriene being a bronchial stimulator),
In the cyclooxygenase pathway, the prostaglandins D, E and F plus thromboxane and prostacyclin are made. Thromboxanes are made in platelets and cause constriction of vascular smooth muscle and platelet aggregation
Leukotrienes are made in leukocytes and macrophages via the lipoxygenase pathway. They are potent constrictors of the bronchial airways. They are also important in inflammation and hypersensitivity reactions as they increase vascular permeability.
Being that prostaglandins from either pathway, are still fatty acids of a group, they mediate lipid release and controll tissue metabolization, so fat burning is a luxerry of either pathway of formation. It's the pathway from which they are constructed that dictates "fina cough". As prostaglandins made from the Cyclooxygenase pathway dictate muscle constriction and platlet aggregation, and the Lipoxygenase pathway dictates bronchial constriction(the main form of expulsion)
i think blending the tren with a longer ester would help to reduce the cough, slow down absorption just a bit.
on a side note ive been doing research on how to best convert tren. it seems that one can make trenbolone no ester simply by allowing the tren to sit in methyl alcohol overnight.. the MA will cleave off the ester. in the crystal fina method one uses MA to extract the tren from the binders as tren is soluble in MA but the methyl cellulose (binder) is not. so im thinking ill make it this way and hopefull end up with tren base instead of tren ace :P and yup, 200mg/ml is what i wanna do... you wont outdose me aesthetics !!! ;D
that is just what i heard, i'm not sure if it's true as I didn't try it (yet!). luckily i've yet to get any tren cough, seems as though the tightening in my chest gets worse the more solvents i use (which could also be due to more solvents = higher concentration and the solvents are irrelevant). tell me how it works out for you.
eo is expensive though, costs more than the fina lol
so far my favorite way of making fina is just grinding up the pellets, putting ~38ml of grapeseed oil in it, then filtering it so that it's at 50mg/ml. holds real well and you feel absolutely nothing. can pin like 5cc of that stuff if you really wanted to.
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This homebrew tren i just made i used EO smooth shot thru a 27 guage. Love it. A little tren cough but not often.
do you feel you get more tren cough with EO than when using BA/BB?
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that is just what i heard, i'm not sure if it's true as I didn't try it (yet!). luckily i've yet to get any tren cough, seems as though the tightening in my chest gets worse the more solvents i use (which could also be due to more solvents = higher concentration and the solvents are irrelevant). tell me how it works out for you.
eo is expensive though, costs more than the fina lol
so far my favorite way of making fina is just grinding up the pellets, putting ~38ml of grapeseed oil in it, then filtering it so that it's at 50mg/ml. holds real well and you feel absolutely nothing. can pin like 5cc of that stuff if you really wanted to.
wtf? you dont put bb and ba? you also only grind one pack of fina?
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wtf? you dont put bb and ba? you also only grind one pack of fina?
yes
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DAMAN IS DOIN ME RITE SO FAR. 6 DAYS AT 75MG ED & GOIN STRONG.
STILL EARLY GIMME ANOTHER 2 WKS BUT I ATE LIKE SHIT ON THURS & FRI...YET WOKE UP LEANER.
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Sm tren is vastly superior to pp tren. Both ace, both SUPPOSED to be same mg/ml, sm feels 2x as potent and MANY get biggera agree w me as we have discussed this via pm
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Sm tren is vastly superior to pp tren. Both ace, both SUPPOSED to be same mg/ml, sm feels 2x as potent and MANY get biggera agree w me as we have discussed this via pm
sm is pp... did u mean oxide ?
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sm is pp... did u mean oxide ?
yeah sm is peepee
:D
I'll post pics later of his golden liquid.
One thing tho I'm off tren now and feel great, tren is serious shit - remember was soaking wet all the time at night, at work, in the gym... I'm actually thinking not using it cuz won't compete and don't plan to
Ghona
Equipona
Testosterona
Nppiona here and there
And oralonos
Will do it for me
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sm is pp... did u mean oxide ?
NO HE MEANS STRENGO. STRENGO TREN IS FANTASTIC. SO FAR DAMAN'S IS ON PAR I NEED MORE TIME THO TO EVALUATE, BUT IF I HAD TO PUT MY MONEY IN WITH A GUY FOR TREN IT'S STRANGO. ILL TRY DEFIANTS OUT SOON TOO.
300MG A WEEK OF STRENGO'S TREN IS LIFE CHANGING, I WISH I COULD SAY THE SAME FOR HIS MASTERON. THAT SHITS JUST NOT DOIN IT PERHAPS I DO NOT RESPOND WELL ENOUGH TO THAT. PEOPLE SAY MINIMU 300MG, ILL USE 450-600 SOON ENOUGH.
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NO HE MEANS STRENGO. STRENGO TREN IS FANTASTIC. SO FAR DAMAN'S IS ON PAR I NEED MORE TIME THO TO EVALUATE, BUT IF I HAD TO PUT MY MONEY IN WITH A GUY FOR TREN IT'S STRANGO. ILL TRY DEFIANTS OUT SOON TOO.
300MG A WEEK OF STRENGO'S TREN IS LIFE CHANGING, I WISH I COULD SAY THE SAME FOR HIS MASTERON. THAT SHITS JUST NOT DOIN IT PERHAPS I DO NOT RESPOND WELL ENOUGH TO THAT. PEOPLE SAY MINIMU 300MG, ILL USE 450-600 SOON ENOUGH.
How to get into strangers service ? :(
Seriously everyone talks about him how great he is and my saliva is just dripping all the time shit, I wouldn't mind paying extra for stuff he makes...
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You plannin on running 200mg ED? Gonna run anything along with the tren?
maybe more :P ;D dnp for the first couple weeks, then i probably add a low dose of test afterwards
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How to get into strangers service ? :(
Seriously everyone talks about him how great he is and my saliva is just dripping all the time shit, I wouldn't mind paying extra for stuff he makes...
YOU JUST GOTTA KNOW THE INS & OUTS. DAMAN IS GOOD TO ABOUT 33% LESS PER PRICE AND ABOUT 25% MORE PER PRODUCT AND IT IS DAMN STRONG TOO...DAMN STRONG. I JUST WON'T APPROVE IT FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER 2 MORE WEEKS.
DEFIANTS IM CURIOUS ABOUT. HE GETS TALKED ABOUT THE LEAST, BUT HIS PRODUCTS ARE GOLDEN BUT THE MOST COSTLIEST...WELL DEPENDING ON BULK, IF NO BULK THEN STRENGO IS MOST EXPENSIVE. HE'LL BE AFTER DAMANS.
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I've tried Oxide and SM tren, will get some of Alpha Labs' tren and see how that works. Oxide tren is potent as fuck, 100 mg ED made me very, very aggressive. So far I'm happy with SM tren, except on 100 mg ED I'm only noting mild aggression. Could be because I'm running growth hormone and masteron with it, dunno.
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I've tried Oxide and SM tren, will get some of Alpha Labs' tren and see how that works. Oxide tren is potent as fuck, 100 mg ED made me very, very aggressive. So far I'm happy with SM tren, except on 100 mg ED I'm only noting mild aggression. Could be because I'm running growth hormone and masteron with it, dunno.
FROM ALL REPORTS, YES. IM USING MAST WITH MY TREN NOW AND IM GETTING NO AGGRESSION, JUST ACNE AND BODY CHANGES. NO AGGRESSION, NO SLEEP PROBLEMS, JUST SOME WOOD, ACNE, AND FULLER/ROUNDER SHOULDERS AND A THICKER LOOK YET THINNER IF THAT MAKES SENSE. LEAN BUT FULL.
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maybe more :P ;D dnp for the first couple weeks, then i probably add a low dose of test afterwards
Sweet dude. Simple and to the point. The biggest amateur I can think of here in Canada runs 3cc ED Tren Ace year round lol. I think you gotta increase it slowly though with Tren as your bodyweight, otherwise it just fucks with you too much. He competed this year at 278lbs and was 251lbs at the nats a year ago... upped the dosage along with gh dosage.
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that is just what i heard, i'm not sure if it's true as I didn't try it (yet!). luckily i've yet to get any tren cough, seems as though the tightening in my chest gets worse the more solvents i use (which could also be due to more solvents = higher concentration and the solvents are irrelevant). tell me how it works out for you.
eo is expensive though, costs more than the fina lol
so far my favorite way of making fina is just grinding up the pellets, putting ~38ml of grapeseed oil in it, then filtering it so that it's at 50mg/ml. holds real well and you feel absolutely nothing. can pin like 5cc of that stuff if you really wanted to.
i think im gonna do it the crystal tren method.
-mix pellets in methyl alcohol (tren is soluble in the MA)
-filter through coffee filter to get rid of methyl cellulose (methyl cellulose isnt soluble in MA)
- slowly add water to MA/Tren solution. (tren isnt water soluble, it will crystallize into powder form when water is added)
-pour water/MA/Crystallized tren through coffee filter (crystallized tren will get caught on filter, water and MA will go through.)
-rinse crystalls with water a couple times ot get rid of any MA left.
- let crystals dry.
-weigh crystals, then combine with proper amounts of EO, Ba, and Bb.
should be a bit higher yeild, and allow for accurate dosing. plus the MA might cleave off the acetate ester leaving me with tren base whjich would be nice.
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Sweet dude. Simple and to the point. The biggest amateur I can think of here in Canada runs 3cc ED Tren Ace year round lol. I think you gotta increase it slowly though with Tren as your bodyweight, otherwise it just fucks with you too much. He competed this year at 278lbs and was 251lbs at the nats a year ago... upped the dosage along with gh dosage.
nice ;D
that is just what i heard, i'm not sure if it's true as I didn't try it (yet!). luckily i've yet to get any tren cough, seems as though the tightening in my chest gets worse the more solvents i use (which could also be due to more solvents = higher concentration and the solvents are irrelevant). tell me how it works out for you.
eo is expensive though, costs more than the fina lol
so far my favorite way of making fina is just grinding up the pellets, putting ~38ml of grapeseed oil in it, then filtering it so that it's at 50mg/ml. holds real well and you feel absolutely nothing. can pin like 5cc of that stuff if you really wanted to.
how do you know its at 50mg/ml? is that cuz urthinking ur getting a 100% extraction rate? u filter through a coffee filter or whatman?
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tbombz question for you- do you think tren is something your missing out on by not running it year round? I remember bfg saying it increases metabolic rate too much and is too thermogenic and can actually slow your gains down when bulking. Tren lowers protein synthesis actually, but decreases protein breakdown.
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What about Spartan Labs?
http://www.the-gear-squad.com/spartan-labs/trenbolone-acetate.html
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tbombz question for you- do you think tren is something your missing out on by not running it year round? I remember bfg saying it increases metabolic rate too much and is too thermogenic and can actually slow your gains down when bulking. Tren lowers protein synthesis actually, but decreases protein breakdown.
i dont give a fuck what anyone says about anything, nor do i give a shit about some scientific nonsense. all i care about is what works. tren works. so im gonna use it. i wont say anything more than that on the issue, not gonna try to attempt to explain why it works, through what mechanisms, its effects on protein synthesis, blah blah blah. its all bullshit dude. just do what works and forget the rest.
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Sm tren is vastly superior to pp tren. Both ace, both SUPPOSED to be same mg/ml, sm feels 2x as potent and MANY get biggera agree w me as we have discussed this via pm
strango is better than oxide ?
I've tried Oxide and SM tren, will get some of Alpha Labs' tren and see how that works. Oxide tren is potent as fuck, 100 mg ED made me very, very aggressive. So far I'm happy with SM tren, except on 100 mg ED I'm only noting mild aggression. Could be because I'm running growth hormone and masteron with it, dunno.
by sm you mean superman or strango ? you think the oxide was stronger ?
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i dont give a fuck what anyone says about anything, nor do i give a shit about some scientific nonsense. all i care about is what works. tren works. so im gonna use it. i wont say anything more than that on the issue, not gonna try to attempt to explain why it works, through what mechanisms, its effects on protein synthesis, blah blah blah. its all bullshit dude. just do what works and forget the rest.
Great post, agree 100% brotha!!
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to the guys that said SM tren can you not use the term "sm" because that could mean two guys. there is pp tren and sgomeds tren,,,,can you guys clarify whose you mean? and do guys who use sgomeds get sides? i dont get typical tren sides from it
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NO SERIOUS SIDES BUT ACNE OFF 300 STRENGO. JUST CRAZY HARD.
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nice ;D
how do you know its at 50mg/ml? is that cuz urthinking ur getting a 100% extraction rate? u filter through a coffee filter or whatman?
purity rate is pretty high, you probably lose just as much tren when doing the crystal method just due to the decanting and whatnot that is required.
i don't really care though it's going to be at least 90% and that's good enough for me.
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Defiant Labs....don't bother with the rest
makes great gear, anyone know current TA?
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I HAVE AN ORDER IN TRANSIT WITH HIM I'LL LET U KNO.
HIS PRIMO IS GOLDEN.
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i dont give a fuck what anyone says about anything, nor do i give a shit about some scientific nonsense. all i care about is what works. tren works. so im gonna use it. i wont say anything more than that on the issue, not gonna try to attempt to explain why it works, through what mechanisms, its effects on protein synthesis, blah blah blah. its all bullshit dude. just do what works and forget the rest.
LOL!!! Great post...seriously. People try to get way too scientific about this shit. Tren works better than any other steroid, period. Whether bulking, or cutting, it blows everything else out of the water.
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IMO, I have tried :
Strango's
Alpha Labs
DaMans
and they all are pretty much the same quality wise......You really cannot lose with either of the Big 3
Certified G&G
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purity rate is pretty high, you probably lose just as much tren when doing the crystal method just due to the decanting and whatnot that is required.
i don't really care though it's going to be at least 90% and that's good enough for me.
i was readin an article from william lewellyn the other day about tren and he talks about using the pellets, one of the methods he talks about guys just crush up the pellets, put them into a syrgine, then suck up a cc or 2 of some other oil based steroid into the syringe and let it sit for a while before injecting fillers and all.
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im thinking that using an asthma inhaler could prevent the tren cough. since it seems ot be a constricting of the airway that causes the cough.
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anyone know tren dose for cattle they give them? like a certain mg per bodyweight per day? id like to know what they put in the cattle
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anyone know tren dose for cattle they give them? like a certain mg per bodyweight per day? id like to know what they put in the cattle
looking into it for you.. so far from what i can telll the cows are given less per kg than what most bodybuilders would use.. no exact numbers thou
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now im thinking i know the absolute best way to do this...
1. measure amount of Ba/Bb
2. crush pellets down to powder and pour into Ba/Bb.
3. let sit for day stirring occasionaly.
4. filter through coffee filter.
5. add measured amount of oil to mixture
6. put into sealed sterile vials.
this should work because the tren is soluble in the Ba/Bb and will dissolve down into it, while the binders are not soluble and will not dissolve down into the mixture thus getting caught in the coffee filter leaving only tren and Ba/Bb.
any opinions?
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now im thinking i know the absolute best way to do this...
1. measure amount of Ba/Bb
2. crush pellets down to powder and pour into Ba/Bb.
3. let sit for day stirring occasionaly.
4. filter through coffee filter.
5. add measured amount of oil to mixture
6. put into sealed sterile vials.
this should work because the tren is soluble in the Ba/Bb and will dissolve down into it, while the binders are not soluble and will not dissolve down into the mixture thus getting caught in the coffee filter leaving only tren and Ba/Bb.
any opinions?
Yeah, looks good bro, I just made 80 ml this weekend lol... Pretty much did the same except I also filtered mine through a .45 whatman... but yeah, easy, just let the pellets dissolve in the solution and the rest is cake.. I'll let you know my results and see if I respond to this lol
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so you filtered the ba/bb/pellets mixture through a coffee filter before adding the oil like i have above? most recipes call for the oil to be added before filtering and in my research thus far i cant see any reason why thats necessary and since it makes the filtering process so much slower it really think doing so is illogical. what potency did you make yours?
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so you filtered the ba/bb/pellets mixture through a coffee filter before adding the oil like i have above? most recipes call for the oil to be added before filtering and in my research thus far i cant see any reason why thats necessary and since it makes the filtering process so much slower it really think doing so is illogical. what potency did you make yours?
Ah, no I didn't, I must have misread your post lol... Yeah, I just did mine the "normal" way I guess.. came out fine... but your right, I guess it doesn't really make sense... Try it out bro and see how it is, I'm sure there is no difference TBH... plus I myself, like going "against the grain" too lol... 100mg/ml
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now im thinking i know the absolute best way to do this...
1. measure amount of Ba/Bb
2. crush pellets down to powder and pour into Ba/Bb. (not necessary to crush them)
3. let sit for day stirring occasionaly.
4. add measured amount of oil to mixture
5. filter through coffee filter.
6. wait until you cant see any oil in the coffee filter, only junk, takes like 2 days
7. whatman!
8. put into sealed sterile vials.
this should work because the tren is soluble in the Ba/Bb and will dissolve down into it, while the binders are not soluble and will not dissolve down into the mixture thus getting caught in the coffee filter leaving only tren and Ba/Bb.
any opinions?
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forgot, between 3 and 4, you gotta wait until you cannot see one single pellet anymore, takes like 2 days atleast if you dont crush the pellets before, and this is why you should put it something in glass, so you can check under to be 100% sure
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which is why i wrote down that i would crush the pellets.. lol.. im not going to add the oil before filtering.. doing that will only make the filtering process take FOREVER.. like you said, takes like two days for the oil to move through the coffee filter
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Not really bro, just let it sit overnight, about 24 -30 hours it took for me.. it's not that bad, but again, it's all up to you and how much patience you have I guess.. either way you can't go wrong.. JUST DO IT!!! lol
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Alpha Pharma is awesome stuff:)
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i feel like filtering before adding the oil will result in less tren being lost in the coffee filter and in the methylcellulose left behind.
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which is why i wrote down that i would crush the pellets.. lol.. im not going to add the oil before filtering.. doing that will only make the filtering process take FOREVER.. like you said, takes like two days for the oil to move through the coffee filter
now that you're sayin it, it's true that it doesn't make sense... why add oil before filtering through coffee filter?
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Hey FAST LANE you know you got to give me my props for my mad chef skills.
How's it treating you so far? I'm on straight beast mode, all the ladies at work today were noticing my arms and shoulders being all gronked up like Rob Gronkowski.
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now that you're sayin it, it's true that it doesn't make sense... why add oil before filtering through coffee filter?
i dont know why anyone would. tren is completely soluble in BA/BB, once dissolved into solution it will remain in the Ba/Bb and all the methyl cellulose will get caught in the coffee filter.
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Ive never gotten tren cough from powdered tren..guess im lucky?
Seems that most bro get the "cough" from pellets rather than powders
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i was readin an article from william lewellyn the other day about tren and he talks about using the pellets, one of the methods he talks about guys just crush up the pellets, put them into a syrgine, then suck up a cc or 2 of some other oil based steroid into the syringe and let it sit for a while before injecting fillers and all.
there are people who are too impatient to even do that and just take crushed up pellets, pour some dmso on it and then rub the mixture on their skin, lol. i don't think it would be too pleasant and i assume it would be pretty irritating but hell, tren is tren and filtering it is such a huge pain i can empathize with people doing that.
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forgot, between 3 and 4, you gotta wait until you cannot see one single pellet anymore, takes like 2 days atleast if you dont crush the pellets before, and this is why you should put it something in glass, so you can check under to be 100% sure
i always see pellets or some biproduct left in there because the pellets themselves contain binders and such that most of which will not dissolve from the solvents. i've done it without crushing the pellets up at all and actually just adding pellets to 35ml of both grapeseed and ba/bb and it came out strong as hell. i let it sit for nearly a week though but 2 days would probably be sufficient.
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NO HE MEANS STRENGO. STRENGO TREN IS FANTASTIC. SO FAR DAMAN'S IS ON PAR I NEED MORE TIME THO TO EVALUATE, BUT IF I HAD TO PUT MY MONEY IN WITH A GUY FOR TREN IT'S STRANGO. ILL TRY DEFIANTS OUT SOON TOO.
300MG A WEEK OF STRENGO'S TREN IS LIFE CHANGING, I WISH I COULD SAY THE SAME FOR HIS MASTERON. THAT SHITS JUST NOT DOIN IT PERHAPS I DO NOT RESPOND WELL ENOUGH TO THAT. PEOPLE SAY MINIMU 300MG, ILL USE 450-600 SOON ENOUGH.
You're not happy with strangers masteron? I was thinking of getting a bunch from him.
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Usually good Masteron makes me more irritable, and I get acne on my arms...
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there are people who are too impatient to even do that and just take crushed up pellets, pour some dmso on it and then rub the mixture on their skin, lol. i don't think it would be too pleasant and i assume it would be pretty irritating but hell, tren is tren and filtering it is such a huge pain i can empathize with people doing that.
what u think about what tbombz said? filtering through coffee filter without oil, just the ba/bb and dissolved pellets
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what u think about what tbombz said? filtering through coffee filter without oil, just the ba/bb and dissolved pellets
i dont think it change anything except take longer if you filter with the oil, i just always did it that way and thats how tutorials say to do it and it has always worked so im not changing :P
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what u think about what tbombz said? filtering through coffee filter without oil, just the ba/bb and dissolved pellets
you mean that being the only filter method? i'd always use a whatman, regardless. a .2 micron whatman can catch 99% of bacteria, even if you've had gear tainted with bacteria that has given red welts/infections, it can be filtered and used again and will no longer cause the localized redness/infections. granted, not the safest thing to do but the whatman filters are going to be the main and most effective defense against infection, as baking gear to sanitize is a myth and really doesn't do anything.
i just rinse out a beaker with some rubbing alcohol, let it dry and mix crushed pellets with grapeseed oil, and i think in the future i'm just going to mix it at 50mg/ml without any ba/bb. afterwards i just pass it through a filter then inject, very simple and easy but filtering through a .2 whatman takes so god damn long and my hands are red and sore for an entire day.
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you mean that being the only filter method? i'd always use a whatman, regardless. a .2 micron whatman can catch 99% of bacteria, even if you've had gear tainted with bacteria that has given red welts/infections, it can be filtered and used again and will no longer cause the localized redness/infections. granted, not the safest thing to do but the whatman filters are going to be the main and most effective defense against infection, as baking gear to sanitize is a myth and really doesn't do anything.
i just rinse out a beaker with some rubbing alcohol, let it dry and mix crushed pellets with grapeseed oil, and i think in the future i'm just going to mix it at 50mg/ml without any ba/bb. afterwards i just pass it through a filter then inject, very simple and easy but filtering through a .2 whatman takes so god damn long and my hands are red and sore for an entire day.
nah i meant, let pellets dissolve in ba/bb, filter through coffee filter, add oil, then use whatman ofc.
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that's the standard method of doing it, definitely will help increase the longevity of filters by doing it that way. that's the way basskiller recommends doing it, up on his site basskilleronline - > finaplix
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i dont think 300 ofmasteron is very much at all,,,,might be the reason not seeing much,,,or maybe the powerul tren is just masking the masteron making it obsolete at such a low dosage? i said before strango tren did not give me night sweats,,,well last nite i woke up and soaked my pillow in sweat so it comes and goes i guess lol
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Hey FAST LANE you know you got to give me my props for my mad chef skills.
How's it treating you so far? I'm on straight beast mode, all the ladies at work today were noticing my arms and shoulders being all gronked up like Rob Gronkowski.
LOL
That's sick bro!! Yeah, I do give you mad props.. a highly trained professional lol
HAHA, so far your not going to believe this but after 4 days of 150mg/day I don't feel jack shit AGAIN... No cough, no sweats... I was right.. I just am immune to sides lol... but after a week or two I will let you know how it goes
P.S. Do you work in the Boston area, because that's where I'm from??
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LOL
That's sick bro!! Yeah, I do give you mad props.. a highly trained professional lol
HAHA, so far your not going to believe this but after 4 days of 150mg/day I don't feel jack shit AGAIN... No cough, no sweats... I was right.. I just am immune to sides lol... but after a week or two I will let you know how it goes
P.S. Do you work in the Boston area, because that's where I'm from??
bro i havent been folowing the board,,,your the guy who got nothing from some popular brand of tren right? And you just made some homebrew and your getting nothing from it either? Damn,,,,,no pumps or extra veins? Whats your bf level? Be honest about bf everyone guesses lower than they are,,,wondering if your not super lean you might not be seeing what the tren does? 150mg a day is no joke of tren,,,,50-75mg a day may be a joke,,,but 150mg is high dose
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Morning star labs used to have the strongest tren! he was busted a long time agoi but def best tren I have tried! jinan and strangos tren are probably the 2 best but it's not that hard to find good tren! It's not a drug that is highly counterfeited.
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Morning star labs used to have the strongest tren! he was busted a long time agoi but def best tren I have tried! jinan and strangos tren are probably the 2 best but it's not that hard to find good tren! It's not a drug that is highly counterfeited.
i remember morning star from years ago,,i think on AB may have been meso,,,,never used just remember the name,,,any idea what exactly happened was it a rat? hate to see that shit. old names bring back memories,,,proline/gmunk,,Blue diamond labs (bunk GY garbage)...QV when it was the real thing
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You're not happy with strangers masteron? I was thinking of getting a bunch from him.
I NEEDA UP THE DOSE I HEAR. NO QUALMS WITH ANY OF HIS PRODUCTS THO ULL BE G2G.
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bro i havent been folowing the board,,,your the guy who got nothing from some popular brand of tren right? And you just made some homebrew and your getting nothing from it either? Damn,,,,,no pumps or extra veins? Whats your bf level? Be honest about bf everyone guesses lower than they are,,,wondering if your not super lean you might not be seeing what the tren does? 150mg a day is no joke of tren,,,,50-75mg a day may be a joke,,,but 150mg is high dose
Yeah, I'm that guy lol
Anyways, it's only day four so I'm not jumping to any conclusions now, I will let you guys know how it goes in about a week... but yeah, you could be right, I'm not as lean as I want to be.. probably around 10% BF.. But even still, barring the BF level of an individual the sauce should still "work" lol
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Out of all the tren talked about in this thread I've only tried(and using now)PP tren. I'm finding it to be quite awesome. Using 200eod now and my strenght and aggression are crazy, especially considering how little I'm eating right now. Between this and the novos my body is changing weekly. Just started PP mast this week at 100eod, and no real difference in "feeling".
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this is where im leaning... its only about 20 a bottle that way and guaranteed pure
If that cheap - why bother with chefs at all?
It's no rocket science to make!
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Ive never gotten tren cough from powdered tren..guess im lucky?
Seems that most bro get the "cough" from pellets rather than powders
Using Tren E - no cough. The raw ingredient comes from powder.
It's the solvents in Tren A = cough.
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I haven't gotten a cough from any of my 30 or so shots, and I've hit veins about 5 times.
My BW is up about 20lbs, probably gained about 5 or 6lbs of rock solid muscle, very little acne, not sweating or having trouble sleeping anymore.
My workouts are going awesome and I am really hard and my size is insane. If you work out hard enough, I'm sure you'll get some solid results.
Not on EC, more MW. I am probably one of the biggest Danny Woodhead fans there is though.
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i dont think it change anything except take longer if you filter with the oil, i just always did it that way and thats how tutorials say to do it and it has always worked so im not changing :P
gh15 doesn't like pellets, tren pelles are for junkies and your playing with fire using that stuff-... not worth the hastle just to save a few bucks- go with a good chef who knows what he's doing, fuck your kitchen chemistry
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IM GETTING SOME SIDES ON DAMAN'S TREN ABOUT 9 DAYS IN. SWEATING IN SLEEP, 2 ROUGH SLEEPING NIGHTS WHERE I COULDNT EVEN PASS OUT.
SIZE IN SHOULDERS IS GETTING SCARY GOOD, VEINS EVERYWHERE. THIS IS AT 75MG MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, SO 450MG A WEEK. IT'S DEF G2G AND BEST VALUE ON THE NET. STRANGO'S AT 300 DID ME GOOD...UP NEXT IS STRANGO'S AT 600MG AND DEFIANT'S AT 600 BUT NOT FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR SO--AROUND SPRING BREAK.... :D
IF I HAVE TO PICK ONE OFF OF PURE QUALITY BETWEEN THE TWO, I'D TAKE STRANGO'S BY A HAIR AND JUST THAT A HAIR. STRANGO'S IS WORTH IT IF YOU MAKE A BULK ORDER IN THAT CASE OTHERWISE GO FOR DAMAN'S. BETWEEN THESE THREE, THOUGH, IDK YET I'LL SEE HOW DEFIANTS IS. THOUGH I THINK DEFIANT'S GEAR IS THE BEST OVERALL ON THE NET, PROBLEM IS HIS T/A BLOWS, LITTLE COMMUNICATION, ETC.
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which is why i wrote down that i would crush the pellets.. lol.. im not going to add the oil before filtering.. doing that will only make the filtering process take FOREVER.. like you said, takes like two days for the oil to move through the coffee filter
Correct ...best way to filter without blowing out ur filter with the syringe. Also, crush pellets To powder AND dissolve in solution using hot water in pan constantly stirring vial till dissolved. Plus, I saw post where someone questioned using BB and BA as the dissolving agents. BA works fine, but with BB, u get more tren from pellets (according to the god of tren conversion Basskiller). Lots of good recipes for this BA/BB mix. Never bake. Not needed at all with the BA. Doing this for 10 years.
War
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Correct ...best way to filter without blowing out ur filter with the syringe. Also, crush pellets To powder AND dissolve in solution using hot water in pan constantly stirring vial till dissolved. Plus, I saw post where someone questioned using BB and BA as the dissolving agents. BA works fine, but with BB, u get more tren from pellets (according to the god of tren conversion Basskiller). Lots of good recipes for this BA/BB mix. Never bake. Not needed at all with the BA. Doing this for 10 years.
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cool. yea i figure it would be better to use a very small amount of BA and a larger amount of BB.. maybe like .5%-1% Ba and 10-15% BB or even more BB... since Ba is the one that gives injection pain and BB is a good cosolvent on its own.
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gh15 doesn't like pellets, tren pelles are for junkies and your playing with fire using that stuff-... not worth the hastle just to save a few bucks- go with a good chef who knows what he's doing, fuck your kitchen chemistry
I hear what you are saying, but I can in 3 days, from start to Finish, including ordering all the materials, make 40mls of tren @ 150 mg/ml for $80. Beginner can do it and be perfectly sterile following very simple steps.
It's also sort of a right of passage for a BB (getbigger or otherwise) to make your gear at least one time.
War
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It's also sort of a right of passage for a BB (getbigger or otherwise) to make your gear at least one time.
War
Hell yeah.
Nice to have you around Warhorse.
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I hear what you are saying, but I can in 3 days, from start to Finish, including ordering all the materials, make 40mls of tren @ 150 mg/ml for $80. Beginner can do it and be perfectly sterile following very simple steps.
It's also sort of a right of passage for a BB (getbigger or otherwise) to make your gear at least one time.
War
I'm getting ready to do this myself for the first time. I'm planning on doing 75mg/ml. Reason is I want to reduce pain/cough/etc. Money is no issue, so I would like to make the best quality possible. I've seen many different recipes on the net. Any you recommend for what I'm trying to do?
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Correct ...best way to filter without blowing out ur filter with the syringe. Also, crush pellets To powder AND dissolve in solution using hot water in pan constantly stirring vial till dissolved. Plus, I saw post where someone questioned using BB and BA as the dissolving agents. BA works fine, but with BB, u get more tren from pellets (according to the god of tren conversion Basskiller). Lots of good recipes for this BA/BB mix. Never bake. Not needed at all with the BA. Doing this for 10 years.
War
so you're filtering the ba/bb/tren solution through coffee filter then adding the oil only after that?
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Hell yeah.
Nice to have you around Warhorse.
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Thx
War
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I'm getting ready to do this myself for the first time. I'm planning on doing 75mg/ml. Reason is I want to reduce pain/cough/etc. Money is no issue, so I would like to make the best quality possible. I've seen many different recipes on the net. Any you recommend for what I'm trying to do?
For first timers, use the Basskiller method. Also, for pain and the reduction of the incidence of tren cough, pull up in your pin with your dose of tren your test or other gear and shoot at same time. Solves tren cough at high dosages above 100mg/ml.
War
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so you're filtering the ba/bb/tren solution through coffee filter then adding the oil only after that?
Yes, but you will need a little oil to help with the suspension of tren. Focus is this, mix the pellet powder as thoroughly possible to extract as much tren from binder. Heating gently helps this process and DOES NOT hurt tren. Same thing with dissolving many different solids in liquids, heating allows the liquid or solvent in this case carry more tren. I won't crash either when cooled either. Let set for 2 days, syphon off clear gold first, filter.. Then go for filtering the sludge at bottom. PS. Use a wateman filter kit, much easier.
War
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i dont see the reason to add oil before filtering. im not really sure tren is even directly soluble in oil without the cosolvents. seems to me from what ive come across so far that thhe tren is really only soluble with the benzyls and thus if you get the pellets completely dissolved down into a benzyl solution and let it sit for a while that all the tren will be in solution and filtering at that point will be easiest.
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I like the crystal tren method. You can get a more accurate doseage.
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I like the crystal tren method. You can get a more accurate doseage.
and how exactly do you perform it, if you dont mind? interested in hearing about hands on experience.. have read everything on basskiller and elswhere..
as for what ive been saying about the ba/bab and whether tren is soluble in oil or if adding oil before filtering is necessary.. i found this..
Oh, you want the chemistry? Well, I can do my best. Some degreed chem guy might be about to do a better job.
Let's start off with the general statement that "like dissolves like". If you have ever taken a chemistry class you will remember that. The tren is not directly soluble in oil. Which is why you need the BA/BB with are polar substances. They both have the BENZYL (or phenyl) groups that aren't polar. But then the BA has the alcohol group that is polar. So the BA/BB will pick up the tren into solution. Then when you mix the tren-BA complex with oil, it will then go into an oil solution due to the dual nature of the BA (polar, but has that big phenyl group).
As far as the BA/BB picking up "other things" from the pellets ... I don't know. But that is my explaination of the chemistry involved ... it has been some time since my O-Chem days at the university.
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What’s in an injectable?
There are usually three classes of components in an oil based injectable. These include a hormone, solvent/cosolvent, and preservative, like benzyl alcohol or chlorbutanol. The hormone is one of the various steroids available, and the main solvent is some type of oil, usually sesame. There may be cosolvents present as well, to aid in making the steroid more soluble. These cosolvents are the key to the “magic dissolving solution”. Since the “magic dissolving solution” prevents crystallization in depot, aka "the formation of steroid crystals in your butt", and hence, pain, we must ask what could prevent crystallization in depot? The obvious answer is a cosolvent.
However, the current cosolvent of choice, benzyl alcohol, has not done a very good job at giving pain free injection. The main reason being that benzyl alcohol is irritating at high concentrations, like above 10%, and that it is a water-soluble. One gram of benzyl alcohol is soluble in only 25mls of water (1). Thus, the benzyl alcohol will tend to leech out of the depot, and the steroid will become insoluble, and crystallize, and you will start walking like you have a corncob hidden in, well, you know Now if the cosolvent used was oil soluble and water insoluble, then we might have something. The cosolvent would stay in the oil, keeping the steroid in solution, and preventing crystallization. A well-known oil soluble cosolvent is benzyl benzoate. This is used in T-200 as a cosolvent, and is insoluble in water (1). If I had to guess, I would say this is the main ingredient in the “magic dissolving solution”, but really this article is about how to make your own high concentration steroids, and not what the ingredients are in any kit out there. A higher concentration of this combined with a reduction in oil could yield a pain-free injection with a higher mg/ml concentration.
Author’s Note: After writing the first draft of this article, a member of a discussion board I am on tried, independent of me, using 7mls of benzyl benzoate and 3 mls of benzyl alcohol, along with 10ml of oil to make a pain free 200mg/ml concentration of trenbolone acetate! Looks like it works!
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^^^^ increase level of BB and decrease level of BA for improved recipe..
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i think if one wanted to they could probably brew tren to 400-500mg/ml if they use the right carrier oil and co solvent. ethyle oleate and guaiacol. would probably hold at close to that concentration.
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I hear what you are saying, but I can in 3 days, from start to Finish, including ordering all the materials, make 40mls of tren @ 150 mg/ml for $80. Beginner can do it and be perfectly sterile following very simple steps.
It's also sort of a right of passage for a BB (getbigger or otherwise) to make your gear at least one time.
War
is this "the" warhorse? honor to have you hear man...
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i remember morning star from years ago,,i think on AB may have been meso,,,,never used just remember the name,,,any idea what exactly happened was it a rat? hate to see that shit. old names bring back memories,,,proline/gmunk,,Blue diamond labs (bunk GY garbage)...QV when it was the real thing
Yes he was Ab and outlaw. he had been around for along time! All of his products were bad ass! He had better gear than strango-IMO. His list was very basic! just the basic anabolics like test ,deca,tren,EQ,sust, Test prop,enanthate and then just capsules for orals. bbut his stuff was potent and 3rd party tested by some outlaw mods and his stuff was a little overdosed.
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is this "the" warhorse? honor to have you hear man...
Thanks but I use warhorse on several forums. I don't think I am the person you are thinking of. Sorry, don't want to pretend or mislead anyone here in thinking I am someone that I am not.
War
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so if im going to use one of basskiller methods for the first time, which one do you guys suggest? tren only right now. thanks guys
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NO HE MEANS STRENGO. STRENGO TREN IS FANTASTIC. SO FAR DAMAN'S IS ON PAR I NEED MORE TIME THO TO EVALUATE, BUT IF I HAD TO PUT MY MONEY IN WITH A GUY FOR TREN IT'S STRANGO. ILL TRY DEFIANTS OUT SOON TOO.
300MG A WEEK OF STRENGO'S TREN IS LIFE CHANGING, I WISH I COULD SAY THE SAME FOR HIS MASTERON. THAT SHITS JUST NOT DOIN IT PERHAPS I DO NOT RESPOND WELL ENOUGH TO THAT. PEOPLE SAY MINIMU 300MG, ILL USE 450-600 SOON ENOUGH.
this is what i meant. his EVERYTHING is life altering. the dude is a fucking genius
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so if im going to use one of basskiller methods for the first time, which one do you guys suggest? tren only right now. thanks guys
dude, just dissolve the pellet powder in ba/bb solvent, mix in oil. sit, boil, filter, and viola
it takes about 4 hours at the most and in 40 days you'll be so angry that you didn't do it years ago it will fuel your workouts like crazy, lol
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i dont see the reason to add oil before filtering. im not really sure tren is even directly soluble in oil without the cosolvents. seems to me from what ive come across so far that thhe tren is really only soluble with the benzyls and thus if you get the pellets completely dissolved down into a benzyl solution and let it sit for a while that all the tren will be in solution and filtering at that point will be easiest.
it is, of course. it holds at 50mg/ml without solvents and it will easily dissolve by being left in grape/cotton seed oil by it self. i notice less tightness in my chest and less sides of any kind abstaining from solvents and also not boiling it (to the point of oxidation), i think doing both will increase the feeling of "tren cough" which i actually kind of like, it feels like a rush of expectorant and really wakes me up through the day.
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^^^^ increase level of BB and decrease level of BA for improved recipe..
you don't need more than 1% BA, most sources use 2% and it's only because they really want to avoid customers from getting infections but realistically there's no difference between using 1% or a higher amount.
bb, you don't need more than ~10-15% to get it to hold well at 100mg/ml
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im thinking of using about 1% Ba, maybe a little less, and aorund 15-20% BB along with ethyle oleate and gonna try and get it dosed aroudn 200mg/ml.
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please keep me updated i'm real curious how it goes. tell me how it feels with regard to the tren cough/chest tightening
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I don't know what these guys that get the cough are doing, but 40 or so shots in and I haven't gotten it yet. I think these guys are psychos mainlining the shit or something. lol jk
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I don't know what these guys that get the cough are doing, but 40 or so shots in and I haven't gotten it yet. I think these guys are psychos mainlining the shit or something. lol jk
I've shot Tren hundreds of times and only gotten the cough maybe 4-5 times.
All were delt shots oddly enough.
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This thread is making me really want to cook my own tren. Last time I tried I swear I couldn't walk for 5 days without a limp. I personally love sm (not superman.. Although that's good too). That tren is a real creation, borderline genius. I say this because I have shot some weird and harsh tren in my time. I have shot the original amazing BD tren in high school.
And sm tren is the best period. IMHO of course... Everyone is very particular about tren specifically and for good reason. It is a harsh drug and when done wrong (and we have All been there) it is a nightmare of a cycle
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Which one do you guys think has the better tren DL or ALP?
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This thread is making me really want to cook my own tren. Last time I tried I swear I couldn't walk for 5 days without a limp. I personally love sm (not superman.. Although that's good too). That tren is a real creation, borderline genius. I say this because I have shot some weird and harsh tren in my time. I have shot the original amazing BD tren in high school.
And sm tren is the best period. IMHO of course... Everyone is very particular about tren specifically and for good reason. It is a harsh drug and when done wrong (and we have All been there) it is a nightmare of a cycle
I made my own, and far from a nightmare, it's like I'm living a dream.
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I made my own, and far from a nightmare, it's like I'm living a dream.
Hell yea...you just stand there in front of 40mls of golden juice that you just made and say "f..k yea baby"
I did that!!!
War
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This thread is making me really want to cook my own tren. Last time I tried I swear I couldn't walk for 5 days without a limp. I personally love sm (not superman.. Although that's good too). That tren is a real creation, borderline genius. I say this because I have shot some weird and harsh tren in my time. I have shot the original amazing BD tren in high school.
And sm tren is the best period. IMHO of course... Everyone is very particular about tren specifically and for good reason. It is a harsh drug and when done wrong (and we have All been there) it is a nightmare of a cycle
hmm, how did you make the tren before and at what concentration? i think i sent you a link to a calculator that determines the quantities of solvents, oil and even powder if you are going that way. all you have to do is input the final desired concentration and it does all the work for you, then it's just the painful process of filtering it all, that takes me hours.
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hmm, how did you make the tren before and at what concentration? i think i sent you a link to a calculator that determines the quantities of solvents, oil and even powder if you are going that way. all you have to do is input the final desired concentration and it does all the work for you, then it's just the painful process of filtering it all, that takes me hours.
You mind sharing that?
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http://www.basskilleronline.com/steroid-powder-calculator.html
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please keep me updated i'm real curious how it goes. tell me how it feels with regard to the tren cough/chest tightening
i will for sure. itll probably be two weeks before i get the stuff and get it brewed.
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actually in this first process ill probably just use canola oil and do it the regular way of just dissolving the pellets down into ba/bb (1%/20%) then adding in oil and letting the gunk settle to the bottom and drawing off the liquid from the top.
the next time i make some, in about 2 months, ill use EO and try making it by filtering before adding oil, as well as doing the crystal method. see which one is better.
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Hell yea...you just stand there in front of 40mls of golden juice that you just made and say "f..k yea baby"
I did that!!!
War
I am getting emotional thinking about how I am down to like 10mls lol.
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So I'm gonna go for it and make my own tren. It'll be my first time making or running it. I'll follow basskiller's method. Is there anything else I should know/watch out for? And if money is no issue, what can I do to make sure it's the highest quality?
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hmm, how did you make the tren before and at what concentration? i think i sent you a link to a calculator that determines the quantities of solvents, oil and even powder if you are going that way. all you have to do is input the final desired concentration and it does all the work for you, then it's just the painful process of filtering it all, that takes me hours.
yes you did. i have a couple problems with making my tren in that i have a pregnant girlfriend living with me and that will not fly, and really that is what it boils down to. she would not be happy with me cooking tren in the kitchen.
i wouldn't have given a fuck two months ago, trust me. but once we found out she was pregnant and she decided she was keeping it, my priorities changed drastically.
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So I'm gonna go for it and make my own tren. It'll be my first time making or running it. I'll follow basskiller's method. Is there anything else I should know/watch out for? And if money is no issue, what can I do to make sure it's the highest quality?
if money wasnt an issue for me i would buy 10-20 boxes (20grams each box) to load up lol then i would perfect the crystal tren method , shouldnt take more than 2-3 times to get it down pat, using only 2g each time to not waste as little as posisble learning how to get a near 100% extraction. once i had all the tren in crystal form i would weigh it out to determine its exact amount and then suspend it in pure Ethyl oleate at 150-200mg per cc using 20% BB and 1% Ba.... bottling it all up in 30 cc vials..
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if money wasnt an issue for me i would buy 10-20 boxes (20grams each box) to load up lol then i would perfect the crystal tren method , shouldnt take more than 2-3 times to get it down pat, using only 2g each time to not waste as little as posisble learning how to get a near 100% extraction. once i had all the tren in crystal form i would weigh it out to determine its exact amount and then suspend it in pure Ethyl oleate at 150-200mg per cc using 20% BB and 1% Ba.... bottling it all up in 30 cc vials..
mood just changed from emotional to aroused
lol jk
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I got mine from a place in Florida not sure if iam allowed to say the name. Iam in Canada, ordered it on a thursday and received it the next tuesday great service.
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yeah. My place was from Nebraska. But I'm not sure if we can post the links..
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yeah. My place was from Nebraska. But I'm not sure if we can post the links..
Ya I wouldn't do that.
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lets not do that
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Probably best to not post them out in the open.
Keep it to PM's.
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So I'm gonna go for it and make my own tren. It'll be my first time making or running it. I'll follow basskiller's method. Is there anything else I should know/watch out for? And if money is no issue, what can I do to make sure it's the highest quality?
Take your time in the pellet separation process. Most put the crushed pellets in the BA/BB solution and stir for all solids to dissolve waiting at the end for the milky mass to fall to the bottom seperating out from the clear solution. To have higher quality or the most tren in solution, heat water to low boiling and place the vial you are using in water and stir during dissolution process. Do not get to hot or boil of BA/BB solution. Now, after this is done and you have gone through one separation process, do this one more time and let to separate one last final time. This will be rocking Tren when complete.
War
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yes you did. i have a couple problems with making my tren in that i have a pregnant girlfriend living with me and that will not fly, and really that is what it boils down to. she would not be happy with me cooking tren in the kitchen.
Geez Smoofcat...it's not like you are making crystal meth or anything. ;D
But I hear ya.
War
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Geez Smoofcat...it's not like you are making crystal meth or anything. ;D
But I hear ya.
War
Woman don't know the difference lol
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Woman don't know the difference lol
This is the truest statement on get big of the day.
I swear my woman thinks steroids=heroin=terrorism=animal cruelty
Not really, but it seems like women think in such black and white terms. Steroids are "bad"; hgh is "bad"; but somehow they think alcohol is ok.
Fucking troglodytes
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Very true.
My girl looks at me like i'm shooting heroin when i'm shooting my GH.
When i recon my vials she won't even enter the room, she says i look like a criminal! Women... ;D
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Very true.
My girl looks at me like i'm shooting heroin when i'm shooting my GH.
When i recon my vials she won't even enter the room, she says i look like a criminal! Women... ;D
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Yeah I know. But when you meet the one for you , you just learn to balance it all. I don't need her to accept anything or give me a thumbs up. I dont need that from anyone. I just need her to be the person I fell for and not change her attitude because I inject hormones.
It should have been pretty fucking obvious I wasn't natural when she met me. 225 at 6 percent, I don't know why it wouldn't cross her mind. But for some reason she acted shocked when I openly injected my tren ace in front of her. She literally freaked out. I said, do you Want me to hide this from you? Lie to you?
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Yeah I know. But when you meet the one for you , you just learn to balance it all. I don't need her to accept anything or give me a thumbs up. I dont need that from anyone. I just need her to be the person I fell for and not change her attitude because I inject hormones.
It should have been pretty fucking obvious I wasn't natural when she met me. 225 at 6 percent, I don't know why it wouldn't cross her mind. But for some reason she acted shocked when I openly injected my tren ace in front of her. She literally freaked out. I said, do you Want me to hide this from you? Lie to you?
My girl puts up with it because i have a good job and she knows i am educated on the substances i'm putting in my body. It's not like i'm wasting my life to use PED's, it's just an addition to my lifestyle and i can stop using anytime i want.
At first she didn't like it very much but i told her the same thing you just posted. I told her if she would rather me hide it from her i would, but i didn't want a relationship like that. After being together for over 5 years we fully understand each other now, but the first year was very shaky.
The first time i met her oldest brother from Vietnam(who is considered the head of the family), the first thing he said was "wow your skin is red from hormones, you need to be careful", i was like what the fuck? He knew after 1 minute of meeting me that i was a juiced up mofo. Can't fool everyone...
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the only two brands of tren a i have used are genotec, who no longer exists, and superman. both are equally good
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My girl puts up with it because i have a good job and she knows i am educated on the substances i'm putting in my body. It's not like i'm wasting my life to use PED's, it's just an addition to my lifestyle and i can stop using anytime i want.
At first she didn't like it very much but i told her the same thing you just posted. I told her if she would rather me hide it from her i would, but i didn't want a relationship like that. After being together for over 5 years we fully understand each other now, but the first year was very shaky.
The first time i met her oldest brother from Vietnam(who is considered the head of the family), the first thing he said was "wow your skin is red from hormones, you need to be careful", i was like what the fuck? He knew after 1 minute of meeting me that i was a juiced up mofo. Can't fool everyone...
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That's really interesting. Only I'm America are people ignorant of hormones. Only in America can someone see a 5'11" 225 lb 6 percent bf guy and wonder if it is hard work or hormones... Because we live in a constant spin cycle of propaganda from the government and media about PEDs due to the MLBs little incident 10 years ago, and issues before that.... That was really just the straw that broke the camels back.
My roots go to eastern euurope and I grew up there for a lot of my childhood. I knew about steroids when I was 6. I swear to god I was planning a cycle by 10. My idea back then was to just "inject testosterone and get massive". Lol.
But my point is even children in eastern Europe know!!! We live in a society of ignorance which was created and is maintained by the government through the indirect and direct manipulation and medium of the media!
People need to wake the fuck up. Girlfriends included. 6 foot natural : 160 lbs at 6 percent , and no beer, no junk food at all, 9 hours of sleep a night, 6 days of training a week, 6 cardio sessions also. 225 lbs at 6 foot and 6 percent!!! 2 grams minimum gear and for 90 percent hgh. I made it to 220 without hgh but I have the type of genetics with no estrogen.... I wish I could show you guys pictures of me at 12 years old, when I was benching 135 and doing bicep curls every day as my work outs. I was literally as jacked as a natural can be, and for 12 it is borderline absurd, borderline mental that I was in a gymnasium every day and not playing Magic the gathering or some shit.
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People need to wake the fuck up. Girlfriends included. 6 foot natural : 160 lbs at 6 percent , and no beer, no junk food at all, 9 hours of sleep a night, 6 days of training a week, 6 cardio sessions also. 225 lbs at 6 foot and 6 percent!!! 2 grams minimum gear and for 90 percent hgh. I made it to 220 without hgh but I have the type of genetics with no estrogen.... I wish I could show you guys pictures of me at 12 years old, when I was benching 135 and doing bicep curls every day as my work outs. I was literally as jacked as a natural can be, and for 12 it is borderline absurd, borderline mental that I was in a gymnasium every day and not playing Magic the gathering or some shit.
All cadaver GH :P
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When I had time, homebrew was the best. Behind that is Defiant. I can't comment on strango, because he's private, and I don't have access to him. Running Defiant's right now and very happy
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so i brewed up some tren.
dissolved it into BB with a tiny bit of ba
added oil
started filtering through a whatman into a sealed vial, got about 15-20cc's filtered before whatman slowed down to a slow drip of excruciatingly small drops of liquid when i pushed full force on the plunger.. filter busted off when i pushed too hard, lost like 5cc oof gear,.. decidded to fuck the filter, squeezed up the remaining ~35cc's of gear and put it into a sealed vial completely unfiltered. the gear i did filter is absollutely prestine. the other stuff , all the binders fell to the bottom and solidifed into a small puck, leaving a cloudy tren above it.
next time im probably just going to make my tren this same way, not even attempt to fuck with filtering. dissolve pellets into BB, add in oil, and put into vials to let the binder set and solidify on the bottom. use the trean and throw away the vial and gunk at bottom once used all the oil//gear.
i think this should result in about 99% or higher extraction rate so i lose absolutely nothing during the process.
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it looks somehting like this, except its yellow and not red cuz i didnt heat the tren and oxidize it..
(http://www.basskilleronline.com/gimp/fina21.jpg)
that gunk on the bottom is methyl cellulose. the binders from the pellets. all the trenbolone is up in the oil. the gunk on the bottom is hard and solid, it binds back together and seperates form the oil as its not oil soluble.. the tren , once dissolved, stays in solution and seperates from the gunk... whatever cloudiness is in the tren.. or even if some filler remained.. should be completely fine for injection .. after all, the pellets themselves are made for being implanted under the skin. one could actually just inject an entire pellet, not broken down, fillers and all, and be just fine.
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team t-bombz labs ;D ;D
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That's really interesting. Only I'm America are people ignorant of hormones. Only in America can someone see a 5'11" 225 lb 6 percent bf guy and wonder if it is hard work or hormones... Because we live in a constant spin cycle of propaganda from the government and media about PEDs due to the MLBs little incident 10 years ago, and issues before that.... That was really just the straw that broke the camels back.
My roots go to eastern euurope and I grew up there for a lot of my childhood. I knew about steroids when I was 6. I swear to god I was planning a cycle by 10. My idea back then was to just "inject testosterone and get massive". Lol.
But my point is even children in eastern Europe know!!! We live in a society of ignorance which was created and is maintained by the government through the indirect and direct manipulation and medium of the media!
People need to wake the fuck up. Girlfriends included. 6 foot natural : 160 lbs at 6 percent , and no beer, no junk food at all, 9 hours of sleep a night, 6 days of training a week, 6 cardio sessions also. 225 lbs at 6 foot and 6 percent!!! 2 grams minimum gear and for 90 percent hgh. I made it to 220 without hgh but I have the type of genetics with no estrogen.... I wish I could show you guys pictures of me at 12 years old, when I was benching 135 and doing bicep curls every day as my work outs. I was literally as jacked as a natural can be, and for 12 it is borderline absurd, borderline mental that I was in a gymnasium every day and not playing Magic the gathering or some shit.
your not the only one! I was in the gym lifting since I was 12 yrs old. I knew I would use steroids someday as well! I played the three most important sports-Basketball, baseball and football and was first string and later in life long distance running and boxing. I stayed on top by doing alot of arm curls and bench press along with rowing and shoulder press machine and also doing multiple sets of sit-ups. But the thing is I didn't know a thing about dieting at that age. But I still made some gains due to my batural high testosterone level at that age. My grandma and mom couldn't believe how big I was getting at such a young age.
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Which one do you guys think has the better tren DL or ALP?
THE 2ND ONE IS CLOSED TEMPORARILY, BUT THE FIRST ONE IMO HAS THE BEST EVERYTHING IN REGARDS MG PER MG. I DONT THINK THERE'S A BETTER QUALITY SOURCE, I JUST HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIER OPERATION IN TERMS OF THE INTANGIBLES.
IF IT'S FOR STASHING UP, DO THEM UP. CAUSE YOU WON'T FIND BETTER GEAR ON THE NET. YOU REALLY WILL NOT.
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this is the tren i made.
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Man that looks crazy. Have you pinned it yet?
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Man that looks crazy. Have you pinned it yet?
first one today. no problems whatsoever.
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tbomb wtf this color?havent see tren like this ever
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its just cotton seed oil. its a bit cloudy cuz it hasnt been filtered.
i know most people think tren is by nature red or amber or golden brown.
it only turns that color when you heat it up.
i didnt heat it, so it didnt change colors.
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Looks good bomz chemist wiz.
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its just cotton seed oil. its a bit cloudy cuz it hasnt been filtered.
i know most people think tren is by nature red or amber or golden brown.
it only turns that color when you heat it up.
i didnt heat it, so it didnt change colors.
nice man ,,update as u pining for results
good luck
respect
madg
team gh15
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its just cotton seed oil. its a bit cloudy cuz it hasnt been filtered.
i know most people think tren is by nature red or amber or golden brown.
it only turns that color when you heat it up.
i didnt heat it, so it didnt change colors.
your tren look like shit bro, mine is always golden, and i never heat it up
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its just cotton seed oil. its a bit cloudy cuz it hasnt been filtered.
i know most people think tren is by nature red or amber or golden brown.
it only turns that color when you heat it up.
i didnt heat it, so it didnt change colors.
Just filter the stuff that separated. It should be filtered, especially if you didnt use any heat.
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your tren look like shit bro, mine is always golden, and i never heat it up
Cheap motherfuckers but some real tren
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Just filter the stuff that separated. It should be filtered, especially if you didnt use any heat.
x2..that gunk shit is supposed to get in the coffee filter, then in the garbage. i wouldnt inject that stuff tbombz
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did you cum inside that vial you nasty fuck?
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i tried brewing it at ~150 mg/ml.. some of it has crashed out of solution.. even with like 20% BB... o im guessing its down to about 100mg/ml now.. maybe a little higher.. willl recover the crystals after done with vial and add to next bach
your tren look like shit bro, mine is always golden, and i never heat it up
your physique look like shit bro, mine is always thick, and im not a little bitch about meaningless cosmetic bullshit like the appearance of the gear
didnt filter it.
hangclean, stuff is perfectly sterile. those pellets are made as implants. the tren is cloudy but theres very little methyl celloluse in there. with 1% ba added nothing will grow inside.
im probably going to buy one of those filtering systems whatman makes. disposable cost like 15 bucks can do like 200ml at one time, just but a like 50 dollar hand puump to attach to it.. im not actually entirely sure how they work though ..
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i tried brewing it at ~150 mg/ml.. some of it has crashed out of solution.. even with like 20% BB... o im guessing its down to about 100mg/ml now.. maybe a little higher.. willl recover the crystals after done with vial and add to next bach
your physique look like shit bro, mine is always thick, and im not a little bitch about meaningless cosmetic bullshit like the appearance of the gear
didnt filter it.
hangclean, stuff is perfectly sterile. those pellets are made as implants. the tren is cloudy but theres very little methyl celloluse in there. with 1% ba added nothing will grow inside.
im probably going to buy one of those filtering systems whatman makes. disposable cost like 15 bucks can do like 200ml at one time, just but a like 50 dollar hand puump to attach to it.. im not actually entirely sure how they work though ..
I would invest in one of those filters bombz after a few tries you will have it perfected. Then you can pump out superb tren whenever you feel like it.
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anyone use this kind of filtration before ?????
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i tried brewing it at ~150 mg/ml.. some of it has crashed out of solution.. even with like 20% BB... o im guessing its down to about 100mg/ml now.. maybe a little higher.. willl recover the crystals after done with vial and add to next bach
your physique look like shit bro, mine is always thick, and im not a little bitch about meaningless cosmetic bullshit like the appearance of the gear
didnt filter it.
hangclean, stuff is perfectly sterile. those pellets are made as implants. the tren is cloudy but theres very little methyl celloluse in there. with 1% ba added nothing will grow inside.
im probably going to buy one of those filtering systems whatman makes. disposable cost like 15 bucks can do like 200ml at one time, just but a like 50 dollar hand puump to attach to it.. im not actually entirely sure how they work though ..
You should still filter it.....did you buy sterile carrier oil?
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im probably going to get that pump i just posted and use it next time.
since some crystals were coming out of solution i decided to gently warm the gear to get that solid hormone back into liquid and in solution.. it resulted in a much more seperated product..
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for those who arent quite sure, that solid brownish buildup on the bottom of the vial is sterile methyl cellulose that was used in making the pellets which are they themselves designed for "injection" under the skin.
this method seems to me that its probably the most effective way to do the conversion in terms of extracting the most possible tren from the pellets. absolutely nothing is lost.
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If someone sent me tren that looked like TBombz I would ask the source for my loot back! That looks like horrible homebrew.
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good thing im not selling this tren to picky little bitches who care about meaningless cosmetic bullshit...
that tren is stronger than any tren youll find on the market, anywhere, unless somebody is making 150mg+ tren using ethyl oleate and high concentrations of BB... i know for a fact theres nobody out there making tren in regular oil that has a high of concentration of tren as i do... how do i know ? because its impossible to get tren to hold in plain oil at the concentration mine is.. i have to gently warm it up before using it because otherwise ive got little tren crystals built up on the side of the vial.... you probably dont understand how this works but when you exceed the maximum mg/ml for a hormone the excess will fall out of solution and solidify untill your gear has decreased in concentration down to that maximum threshold level.. but when i melt those crystals down they are forced into solution.. at a concentration higher than anyone could ever get it to hold at.. and they will fall out of suspension very quickly after cooling..
dont even know why im taking the time to explain something i already explained.. maybe because there are impressionable people reading he thread who will jump on the back of your retarded posts ... yes thats probably it..
anyways.. next time im going to use ethyle oleate so it can hold at 150mg/ml and ill probably buy that filtration system.. but if i dont im gonna make it the same way i made it this time.. i dont see any reason at all to try and fuck with filtering when you have ot use syringe filters and/or coffee filter.... too much time and effort for nothing.. and probably going to result in losses of trenbolone in the filter as well.. the way i did it i got 100% the tren..
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good thing im not selling this tren to picky little bitches who care about meaningless cosmetic bullshit...
that tren is stronger than any tren youll find on the market, anywhere, unless somebody is making 150mg+ tren using ethyl oleate and high concentrations of BB... i know for a fact theres nobody out there making tren in regular oil that has a high of concentration of tren as i do... how do i know ? because its impossible to get tren to hold in plain oil at the concentration mine is.. i have to gently warm it up before using it because otherwise ive got little tren crystals built up on the side of the vial.... you probably dont understand how this works but when you exceed the maximum mg/ml for a hormone the excess will fall out of solution and solidify untill your gear has decreased in concentration down to that maximum threshold level.. but when i melt those crystals down they are forced into solution.. at a concentration higher than anyone could ever get it to hold at.. and they will fall out of suspension very quickly after cooling..
dont even know why im taking the time to explain something i already explained.. maybe because there are impressionable people reading he thread who will jump on the back of your retarded posts ... yes thats probably it..
anyways.. next time im going to use ethyle oleate so it can hold at 150mg/ml and ill probably buy that filtration system.. but if i dont im gonna make it the same way i made it this time.. i dont see any reason at all to try and fuck with filtering when you have ot use syringe filters and/or coffee filter.... too much time and effort for nothing.. and probably going to result in losses of trenbolone in the filter as well.. the way i did it i got 100% the tren..
sure it is ;)
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Shit looks like poison sorry T
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Shit looks like poison sorry T
lol!
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anyone use this kind of filtration before ?????
higher loss rate + less effective filtration as the higher pressure can causes something that normally get caught by the filter to get pushed through
i don't think it's worth the money. i've been filtering some things recently and it's been taking 1hr per 10ml, which sucks and leaves my hands tired. i just watch a movie while filtering. broke a filter 2 months ago and lost a bit of primo, was very upsetting because it's expensive stuff.
buy another filter and refilter that sludge you made. shit is not something i'd stick into my body
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I don't understand how it takes so long for you guys to filter. It takes me anywhere from 30-45 min (if that) to filter anywhere from 80-100 cc's worth.
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for those who arent quite sure, that solid brownish buildup on the bottom of the vial is sterile methyl cellulose that was used in making the pellets which are they themselves designed for "injection" under the skin.
this method seems to me that its probably the most effective way to do the conversion in terms of extracting the most possible tren from the pellets. absolutely nothing is lost.
Your tren looks eerily similar to the pics you posted of your physique a while back.
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IMO< this is why bodybuilders have a bad reputation. Being stupid and careless . Injecting SOLID GUNK ( not oil, but SOLID), through a needle, deep in your fucking muscle tissue...
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higher loss rate + less effective filtration as the higher pressure can causes something that normally get caught by the filter to get pushed through
i don't think it's worth the money. i've been filtering some things recently and it's been taking 1hr per 10ml, which sucks and leaves my hands tired. i just watch a movie while filtering. broke a filter 2 months ago and lost a bit of primo, was very upsetting because it's expensive stuff.
buy another filter and refilter that sludge you made. shit is not something i'd stick into my body
hmm... well im not worried about small little particulates.. the pellets themselves are made for injection anyways.. i think im probably going to get it..
I don't understand how it takes so long for you guys to filter. It takes me anywhere from 30-45 min (if that) to filter anywhere from 80-100 cc's worth.
and what process are you using ?
IMO< this is why bodybuilders have a bad reputation. Being stupid and careless . Injecting SOLID GUNK ( not oil, but SOLID), through a needle, deep in your fucking muscle tissue...
yup, thats what im doing dude, that solidified solid at the bottom, im injecting that thing right into my muscle, got a 5 gauge needle, about 1 inch in diamater, just jab that fucker right into myself and inject a nice big chunk. great for site enhancement. ;)
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your ignorance is going to get you killed one of these days...tbombz.
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I know this was not on the list but I used and like BD. Tren HEX.
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your ignorance is going to get you killed one of these days...tbombz.
ignorance.. lol
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ignorance.. lol
Doesn't mean I don't like you :D you just get on my fucking nerves
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Tbombz is cheap and that is what is going to get him killed injecting that goop!that tren looks crashed!
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tried making some tren-e @ 400mg/ml using only 2ml of fluid. did not work, surface area of container was too great in order to get a higher enough concentration of oil to dissolve the liquid, even using ~200 degrees heat. certain without a doubt i can get it to hold at 400mg/ml using ~20ml or more liquid or so and liberally applying heat + stirring, which i think i'd like to try. probably get horrific tren cough that way but we'll see. ;D
held ok at about 150mg/ml @ 4ml of eo+grapeseed and 5% bb. going to see how it feels with tren in EO, hopefully cough isn't too bad so i can try what i mentioned above.
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tren e should hold fine at 300mg/ml without eo.. ???
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the surface area of the bottom fo the beaker was pretty great. i'm pretty sure that had a lot of effect on it, i think. got it to hold around 200mg/ml i think. 5ml with 1gram tren-e. as i said if i were to mix 24ml of oil and 16g of powder, i'm pretty sure i could get it to hold real easily.
anyways, i thought it could have been test-e, though it's fairly dark brown/orange in color. i'll know when i use it, i hope.
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anybody used THE DICTATORS tren ace? plan on using them next, only tren ive used is TNT Pharma and was good, currently using Defiants gear(primo,test pp, eq) will use his tren in the future