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Another American hero.
Pa. Soldier Who Jumped on Grenade to Receive Posthumous Medal of Honor
Friday, May 23, 2008
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/372171/0_61_052308_medalofhonor.jpg)
Pfc. Ross McGinnis of Knox, Pa., who died saving the lives of his comrades in Iraq, will be awarded the Medal of Honor June 2.
WASHINGTON — The White House announced Friday that a Pennsylvania soldier who jumped on top of a grenade in Iraq and saved the lives of his comrades will posthumously receive the Medal of Honor.
The nation's highest military honor will be given to 19-year-old Army Pfc. Ross McGinnis of Knox, Pa., on June 2.
McGinnis "distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism," said White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto.
McGinnis was perched in the gunner's hatch of a Humvee when a grenade sailed past him and into the truck where four other soldiers sat. He shouted a warning to the others, then jumped on the grenade. The grenade, which was lodged near the vehicle's radio, blew up and killed him.
Lt. Col. Anne Edgecomb, an Army spokeswoman, said McGinnis easily could have jumped out of the truck and saved himself.
"The instinct is, jump out of the vehicle, but his four buddies were in the vehicle with him ... and he chose to place himself on top of the grenade and absorb the impact, and it saved their lives," Edgecomb said.
McGinnis was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 26th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division, in Schweinfurt, Germany.
He died on Dec. 4, 2006.
Three others have also been awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously for their actions in Iraq. They are Army Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith, Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael A. Monsoor and Marine Cpl. Jason L. Dunham.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,357671,00.html
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Rest in peace....good job Beach
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he jumped on a grenade for Bush, Cheney and McCain ?
RIP dope !
NT
Don't question, just do.
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RIP, fuck he was a young kid, 19..fucken 19 :'(
brave boy to save his mate's lives but fuck...19yrs old
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he jumped on a grenade for Bush, Cheney and McCain ?
RIP dope !
NT
And yet, cowards like you live on.
Sad world.
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I'm sure he's very excited about this honor.
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I'm sure he's very excited about this honor.
theres no honour..his dead.."he died a brave man" thats straight bullshit..the reality is his dead. sugar coating does not make it better.
again Im not brave enough to go to battle and be on the frontline, im just sad for the kid's family, 19 is a child when you think of it;
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i dont mean to offend anyone here that has family member's die in the Iraq..
those kids are brave to do what they do, i personally hope they come back sooner then later, THe Iraq war sucks
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he jumped on a grenade for Bush, Cheney and McCain ?
RIP dope !
NT
I served forward deployed in several theaters including Desert Storm and we (Servicemen/women give a pound of flesh daily so you can talk shit freely, go fuck yourself commie bastard!
Hate punk asses like you!
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I served forward deployed in several theaters including Desert Storm and we (Servicemen/women give a pound of flesh daily so you can talk shit freely, go fuck yourself commie bastard!
Hate punk asses like you!
So Saddam's invasion of Kuwait was actually just the first step in his nefarious plan to repeal the First Amendment?
Jesus Christ, do people think before they post any more?
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So Saddam's invasion of Kuwait was actually just the first step in his nefarious plan to repeal the First Amendment?
Jesus Christ, do people think before they post any more?
the guy is making light of this kid giving his life what are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!
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we (Servicemen/women give a pound of flesh daily so you can talk shit freely
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the guy is making light of this kid giving his life what are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!
i would of preferred if he wasnt there at all.
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Some of you are fools. I get being against the war and so on but it's sad that a gaggle of nerds would piss on the grave of a man who was willing to die for his friends from behind their keyboards
Sadly, no logical explanation would even be useful since some of you can't see what kind of man he must have been to trade his own life for that of his friends.
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Some of you are fools. I get being against the war and so on but it's sad that a gaggle of nerds would piss on the grave of a man who was willing to die for his friends from behind their keyboards
Sadly, no logical explanation would even be useful since some of you can't see what kind of man he must have been to trade his own life for that of his friends.
when i was 19, i did a lot of stupid things to
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i would of preferred if he wasnt there at all.
I agree but if called to serve I serve my country!
Can't stand these spoon-fed sissies who talk shit about soldiers! The soldeirs are just doing their job. Punk ass subversives stay home and talk shit, pick up a weapon or shut the fuck up!!
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when i was 19, i did a lot of stupid things to
jake is being a bitch on this board because he feels his "superior" intellect goes unrecognized here.
Nobody wants to see dead 19 year olds and all the medals on the planet are not going to make the situation one iota better.
And the reason this shit was posted was to act as if he died for some noble cause.
There is no noble cause here. Just a kid who did the right thing in the pursuit of a wrong end. He could have chosen to not pursue that wrong end, but unfortunately did not make it.
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I agree but if called to serve I serve my country!
Can't stand these spoon-fed sissies who talk shit about soldiers! The soldeirs are just doing their job. Punk ass subversives stay home and talk shit, pick up a weapon or shut the fuck up!!
Quit being a cry-baby. Sentimentality is for women and children.
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I agree but if called to serve I serve my country!
Can't stand these spoon-fed sissies who talk shit about soldiers! The soldeirs are just doing their job. Punk ass subversives stay home and talk shit, pick up a weapon or shut the fuck up!!
to die for this war is horrible, but i dont believe its a just war..lot of dead bodies for a bullshit cause..
thats my opinion, but i never hear them talking bout the soldiers anymore, these kids that put there life on the line every fucken second should be headlining not on pg 21..
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Damn I wish the involuntary draft was in effect.
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Quit being a cry-baby. Sentimentality is for women and children.
That's right hide behind your keyboard pussy!
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Damn I wish the involuntary draft was in effect.
As opposed to the voluntary draft? ::)
Stick to flirting on the women's board, stud.
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That's right hide behind your keyboard pussy!
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jake is being a bitch on this board because he feels his "superior" intellect goes unrecognized here.
Nobody wants to see dead 19 year olds and all the medals on the planet are not going to make the situation one iota better.
And the reason this shit was posted was to act as if he died for some noble cause.
There is no noble cause here. Just a kid who did the right thing in the pursuit of a wrong end. He could have chosen to not pursue that wrong end, but unfortunately did not make it.
the fact is the KID is dead, that medal is not going to do a motherfucken thing! anyhow how many U.S soldiers have died in the Iraq war??
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As opposed to the voluntary draft? ::)
Stick to flirting on the women's board, stud.
Ever heard of selective service? when you send the form in its a voluntary draft!
Anyway meat curtain alot of these kids joined because of 911 they made the choice just like I did years ago but liek Dr says don't piss on their grave for doing their duty.
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I served forward deployed in several theaters including Desert Storm and we (Servicemen/women give a pound of flesh daily so you can talk shit freely, go fuck yourself commie bastard!
Hate punk asses like you!
haha thanks asshole!
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jake is being a bitch on this board because he feels his "superior" intellect goes unrecognized here.
Nobody wants to see dead 19 year olds and all the medals on the planet are not going to make the situation one iota better.
And the reason this shit was posted was to act as if he died for some noble cause.
There is no noble cause here. Just a kid who did the right thing in the pursuit of a wrong end. He could have chosen to not pursue that wrong end, but unfortunately did not make it.
I've been against the war from the start. That's not the point. Of course medals won't bring anyone back. I'd love to argue that he was fighting for your freedom and explain how freedom isn't free, etc... but that's just not possible here. He/they are fighting because the US was allowed to invade Iraq... no more, no less. No matter why he was there instead of college, getting laid or in the comfort of his own home behind a keyboard the kid still had a belief system (values) that weren't shaken by being in a bad situation. It's not something I'd expect most people to get.
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jake is being a bitch on this board because he feels his "superior" intellect goes unrecognized here.
Nobody wants to see dead 19 year olds and all the medals on the planet are not going to make the situation one iota better.
And the reason this shit was posted was to act as if he died for some noble cause.
There is no noble cause here. Just a kid who did the right thing in the pursuit of a wrong end. He could have chosen to not pursue that wrong end, but unfortunately did not make it.
Sadly this type of logic goes right over some people's heads around here.
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I would have tried to save my own ass.
But what he did was pretty brave and I feel for him and his family. Pretty sad thing.
Stuff like this just adds to my dislike of Bush and his cronies. They brainwash youngmen into garbage causes.
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Ever heard of selective service? when you send the form in its a voluntary draft!
Anyway meat curtain alot of these kids joined because of 911 they made the choice just like I did years ago but liek Dr says don't piss on their grave for doing their duty.
hey, we all do our duty, electricians, builders, engineers, mcdonalds worker..
those kids were mislead and believed the hype, they most likely had nothing else to do, fuck fighting in the Iraq war, a war based on fabricated evidence and false intelligence, to many kids are dying, to many for nothing, i dont know how many kids have died but i know its over 4000
lets not forget the kids and innocent people that U.S soldiers have killed to, dont deny it, its true
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US soldiers dead 4081..RIP to all of them
Iraqi civilians dead 151,000 RIP to all of them
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I would have tried to save my own ass.
But what he did was pretty brave and I feel for him and his family. Pretty sad thing.
Stuff like this just adds to my dislike of Bush and his cronies. They brainwash youngmen into garbage causes.
JACKPOT
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Sadly this type of logic goes right over some people's heads around here.
No we understand perfectly.
Now go masterbate! BTW you are welcome!
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Now go masterbate!
With Saddam now gone I can do so without fear. You did a great job over there.
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hey, we all do our duty, electricians, builders, engineers, mcdonalds worker..
those kids were mislead and believed the hype, they most likely had nothing else to do, fuck fighting in the Iraq war, a war based on fabricated evidence and false intelligence, to many kids are dying, to many for nothing, i dont know how many kids have died but i know its over 4000
lets not forget the kids and innocent people that U.S soldiers have killed to, dont deny it, its true
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US soldiers dead 4081..RIP to all of them
Iraqi civilians dead 151,000 RIP to all of them
I hear you brother and agree with some of what you are saying!
Waste of time talking to these guys anyway. Time to get back to watching the game.
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Time to get back to watching the game.
We have a winner.
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I would have tried to save my own ass.
But what he did was pretty brave and I feel for him and his family. Pretty sad thing.
Stuff like this just adds to my dislike of Bush and his cronies. They brainwash youngmen into garbage causes.
Sorry, CJ. The military can train people to do a lot of things but not that. All the training in the world wouldn't stop someone (without the core value to protect their friends) from running to save their own ass.
I do find the term 'brainwashed' interesting. A lot of people would avoid comparing a guy who dove on a grenade to save friends to suicide bombers.
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Sorry, CJ. The military can train people to do a lot of things but not that. All the training in the world wouldn't stop someone (without the core value to protect their friends) from running to save their own ass.
I do find the term 'brainwashed' interesting. A lot of people would avoid comparing a guy who dove on a grenade to save friends to suicide bombers.
Well, he was driven by some sort of distorted ideal there's no doubt about that.
Suicide bombers are lost people who don't really care for anyone. Sure some recieve money for their family, but they're lost men full of intense hate that makes them cling to some garbage ideal. Military people are different. Driven by not so much anger, but some sort of fantasy ideal. Of course they're a little lost too, otherwise most of them wouldn't be in the military. Very few servicemen choose that lifestyle because they actually want to serve. That's why I used the term 'brainwash'. The military goes after many of these lost young people.
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What reasons he had for joining really don't matter much in the end but I would have to disagree about his having a distorted ideal. His ideals were pretty high, IMO. I guess a grenade, in a stupid war, is a pretty tough way for them to be tested but a lot of people would have jumped in the opposite direction.
With a topic so charged it's a little easy to forget the non-political issues.
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I saw this topic a few minutes after it was put up with no responses and just new that there would be a hoard of liberals on this thread pissing on this guy, well done!!! ::)
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Some of you are fools. I get being against the war and so on but it's sad that a gaggle of nerds would piss on the grave of a man who was willing to die for his friends from behind their keyboards
Sadly, no logical explanation would even be useful since some of you can't see what kind of man he must have been to trade his own life for that of his friends.
Exactly. I can understand people being against war, but mocking the death of a nineteen year old that died to save his friends? That seems particularly low.
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I saw this topic a few minutes after it was put up with no responses and just new that there would be a hoard of liberals on this thread pissing on this guy, well done!!! ::)
Sad isn't it? Regardless, that young man was a great American.
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I saw this topic a few minutes after it was put up with no responses and just new that there would be a hoard of liberals on this thread pissing on this guy, well done!!! ::)
"horde", not "hoard"
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Exactly. I can understand people being against war, but mocking the death of a nineteen year old that died to save his friends? That seems particularly low.
True.
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Exactly. I can understand people being against war, but mocking the death of a nineteen year old that died to save his friends? That seems particularly low.
Yeah. I'm sure that's why the douche who started this thread titled it "19 year old died to save his friends"
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"horde", not "hoard"
lol thats what you choose to pick on with that statement ::)
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dying for bush, cheney, haliburton and mccain is NOT honorable.
NT
exactly!
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dying for bush, cheney, haliburton and mccain is total bullshit NOT honorable.
NT
He died for his friends, NT. Bush, Cheney, Halliburton and 48 senators put him there but he still died for his friends. It would be understandable if you were actually retarded and couldn't grasp the concept but you guys would rather piss on his grave than acknowledge his valor in fear that it might be taken as supporting the war. It's just lame and you guys are being dishonest here.
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without bush the kid is still ALIVE today......period.
NT
Not the point.
Some concepts are bigger than individual political points of view. Willfully ignoring the forrest for the trees doesn't change things at all. I don't believe there was a legitimate reason for him (and others) to die there either but would never ignore what kind of person he must have been.
Discussions like this could be avoided if military service were mandatory for all Americans.
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Not the point.
Discussions like this could be avoided if military service were mandatory for all Americans.
I can't believe you actually typed this.
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MR. HUCKABEE: Well, what we did in Iraq, we essentially broke it. It's our responsibility to do the best we can to try to fix it before we just turn away because something is at stake. And on this issue, when he says we can't leave until we've left with honor, I 100 percent agree with him because, Congressman, whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is a discussion that historians can have, but we're there. We bought it because we broke it. We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country and to the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and ever served in our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor that they deserve.
REP. PAUL: The American people didn't go in. A few people advising this administration, a small number of people called the neoconservative hijacked our foreign policy. They're responsible, not the American people. They're not responsible. We shouldn't punish them.
MR. HUCKABEE: Congressman, we are one nation. We can't be divided. We have to be one nation under God. That means if we make a mistake, we make it as a single country, the United States of America, not the divided states of America.
REP. PAUL: No. When we make a mistake -- (interrupted by applause) -- when we make a mistake, it is the obligation of the people through their representatives to correct the mistake, not to continue the mistake!
MR. HUCKABEE: Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor, and that is more important to the Republican Party.
REP. PAUL: We're losing -- we've lost over -- (cheers, applause) -- we have lost -- we have lost 5,000 Americans killed in -- we've lost over 5,000 Americans over there in Afghanistan and Iraq and plus the civilians killed. How many more do you want to lose? How long are we going to be there? How long -- what do we have to pay to save face? That's all we're doing is saving face. It's time we came home!
American soilder talks about honor and Mike Huckabees statement:
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I can't believe you actually typed this.
It would cut the tiny tit population in half. Also, keyboard commandos would get some military experience and know about serving their country firsthand.
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MR. HUCKABEE: Well, what we did in Iraq, we essentially broke it. It's our responsibility to do the best we can to try to fix it before we just turn away because something is at stake. And on this issue, when he says we can't leave until we've left with honor, I 100 percent agree with him because, Congressman, whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is a discussion that historians can have, but we're there. We bought it because we broke it. We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country and to the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and ever served in our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor that they deserve.
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MR. HUCKABEE: Congressman, we are one nation. We can't be divided. We have to be one nation under God. That means if we make a mistake, we make it as a single country, the United States of America, not the divided states of America.
He's right.
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It would cut the tiny tit population in half. Also, keyboard commandos would get some military experience and know about serving their country firsthand.
lol. :)
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He's right.
We should send him over to Iraq so he could fullfill his military obligation like Ron PAul did in Vietnam.
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We should send him over to Iraq so he could fullfill his militray obligation like Ron PAul did in Vietnam.
Too old.
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lol. :)
Not kidding.
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Not kidding.
I know.
It will never happen, but it would turn a lot of these punks into men, give them a better appreciation of their country, and make them better citizens.
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I know.
It will never happen, but it would turn a lot of these punks into men, give them a better appreciation of their country, and make them better citizens.
Exactly why it should happen.
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He died for his friends, NT. Bush, Cheney, Halliburton and 48 senators put him there but he still died for his friends. It would be understandable if you were actually retarded and couldn't grasp the concept but you guys would rather piss on his grave than acknowledge his valor in fear that it might be taken as supporting the war. It's just lame and you guys are being dishonest here.
truth
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ROFL at the keyboard commandos whose harrowing experiences in the US Armed Forces made them the warriors they are today.
While I hide behind my keyboard like the pussy I am, they bravely execute maneuvers in front of theirs. ;D
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It will never happen, but it would turn a lot of these punks into men, give them a better appreciation of their country, and make them better citizens.
And you know this, because you didn't serve, and you consider yourself a punk?
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BD, great video. nice to see the honest truth from our troops.
NT
best line.
HOW ABOUT WE SEND THE SOILDERS HOME WITH THEIR LIVES AND NOT JUST WITH HONOR!
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BD, great video. nice to see the honest truth from our troops.
NT
one persons opinion bud, i would bet money that the vast majority of troops serving there have a contrasting view...but i guess that doesnt matter huh?
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ROFL at the keyboard commandos whose harrowing experiences in the US Armed Forces made them the warriors they are today.
While I hide behind my keyboard like the pussy I am, they bravely execute maneuvers in front of theirs. ;D
You just proved our point.
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one persons opinion bud, i would bet money that the vast majority of troops serving there have a contrasting view...but i guess that doesnt matter huh?
funny you mention money.
Ron Paul - the most anti-war canddiate running who promised to end the was immediately - received more donation $ from soldiers than any other candidate.
explain that.
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funny you mention money.
Ron Paul - the most anti-war canddiate running who promised to end the was immediately - received more donation $ from soldiers than any other candidate.
explain that.
what portion of the soldiers gave to ron paul? thats my point there are more there who contrast guys video opinion than agree with it.
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Soldiers cannot afford to donate money to any damn thing.
He jumped on a grenade...and for what? It wasn't worth it.
So sad that we've lost so many brave men and women.
Question: What would happen if a guy just removed his HELMET, covered the grenade with it, and held it down with his foot instead of covering the grenade with his body?
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Soldiers cannot afford to donate money to any damn thing.
He jumped on a grenade...and for what? It wasn't worth it.
So sad that we've lost so many brave men and women.
Question: What would happen if a guy just removed his HELMET, covered the grenade with it, and held it down with his foot instead of covering the grenade with his body?
In his mind his friends were worth it.
Metal/kevlar from the helmet would have added more shrapnel and killed him anyways.
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what portion of the soldiers gave to ron paul? thats my point there are more there who contrast guys video opinion than agree with it.
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If they, (soilders that donated) supported the war wouldnt McCain get the most money?
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Question: What would happen if a guy just removed his HELMET, covered the grenade with it, and held it down with his foot instead of covering the grenade with his body?
Myth: Throwing a grenade in a refrigerator to save your life
In an episode of Monk, the hero throws a grenade into a refrigerator save his life.
They changed the setup on this myth slightly as they positioned the plywood actors around the fridge. The actor in front of the fridge was severed in half and decapitated. The fridge just added more shrapnel to the explosion.
Jamie: "Out of all the options that we had, this was clearly the worst idea."
busted
Im guessing that if throwing a grenade into a fridge wont save your life, neither would your helmet.
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In his mind his friends were worth it.
Metal/kevlar from the helmet would have added more shrapnel and killed him anyways.
Then I'd want one of those heavy, cast-iron helmets from back in the day.
To hell with this 'composite' bullshit.
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Then I'd want one of those heavy, cast-iron helmets from back in the day.
To hell with this 'composite' bullshit.
I'm sure you'd enjoy wearing your cast iron helmet in the 120 degree Iraqi heat.
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what portion of the soldiers gave to ron paul? thats my point there are more there who contrast guys video opinion than agree with it.
I don't know the % - there was a big big thread here on it. Ron Paul destroyed all other candidates in terms of $ received from soldier donations - a big indicator that they would like to get the guy elected who said "I'll bring home all these troops immediately".
People here can argue "most troops would rather finish the mission than come home", but their money says otherwise.
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I'm sure you'd enjoy wearing your cast iron helmet in the 120 degree Iraqi heat.
I'd wear one of these.
(http://www.zymetrical.com/images/products/beer-football-helmet.jpg)
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If they, (soilders that donated) supported the war wouldnt McCain get the most money?
Ill see your ::) and raise you a ::)
with that logic the ppl who didnt donate are indifferent to the war?
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Ill see your ::) and raise you a ::)
with that logic the ppl who didnt donate are indifferent to the war?
Good point. Also, there is no way to determine whether those campaign contributions were because of Ron Paul's anti-war stance. Could just as easily have been because he is a veteran.
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We're not talking about a lot of money either way.
I can assure you that MOST servicemembers did not contribute a dime to any political campaign.
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We're not talking about a lot of money either way.
I can assure you that MOST servicemembers did not contribute a dime to any political campaign.
Another good point.
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Good point. Also, there is no way to determine whether those campaign contributions were because of Ron Paul's anti-war stance. Could just as easily have been because he is a veteran.
McCain?
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I don't know the % - there was a big big thread here on it. Ron Paul destroyed all other candidates in terms of $ received from soldier donations - a big indicator that they would like to get the guy elected who said "I'll bring home all these troops immediately".
People here can argue "most troops would rather finish the mission than come home", but their money says otherwise.
that proves nothing, you should do some research into research methods and see the unsubstantiated conclusion youve come up with.
perhaps the people who dont want to be there would donate money to the person they thought would bring them home, and those who would rather stay and finish up dont donate to anybody b/c they pretty much know there not gonna get pulled out anytime soon so why not save money.
Just b/c the majority of troop donations went to ron paul doesnt mean that the majority of the troops feel the way the youtube guy does. not trying to be rude i know that may not make sense so ill draw you a diagram if you want
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We're not talking about a lot of money either way.
I can assure you that MOST servicemembers did not contribute a dime to any political campaign.
Over $200,000 to one candidate from ACTIVE servicemen and women and that doesnt include donations UNDER 200 dollars because no one tracks those numbers.
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that proves nothing, you should do some research into research methods and see the unsubstantiated conclusion youve come up with.
perhaps the people who dont want to be there would donate money to the person they thought would bring them home, and those who would rather stay and finish up dont donate to anybody b/c they pretty much know there not gonna get pulled out anytime soon so why not save money.
Just b/c the majority of troop donations went to ron paul doesnt mean that the majority of the troops feel the way the youtube guy does. ill draw you a diagram if you want
Lets face it , we can come out and say, ALL troops want to leave Iraq, show you charts, graphs, personal opinions and you'd still argue the opposite, whats the point?
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Lets face it , we can come out and say, ALL troops want to leave Iraq, show you charts, graphs, personal opinions and you'd still argue the opposite, whats the point?
and we could do the same and youd still argue the opposite, so your right ill agree to disagree if you want.
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Over $200,000 to one candidate from ACTIVE servicemen and women and that doesnt include donations UNDER 200 dollars because no one tracks those numbers.
I reckon it's possible that a thousand O-4s and above might've been big contributors.
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The guys are tired and want to come home. They are not allowed to say it publically,(Low for morale) but we see it when their mission is over, and by the support of ron paul over a war monger like bush3......
The military is scraping the bottom of the barrel by relaxing standards to take existing felons and making homos stay in service.
ALL evidence points to the conclusion of we're done. NO evidence points to the opposite.
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Its Memorial day....thats why some of u worthless pieces of shit have the day off...remember that. 4 pages of BS about the war and whining from the lib windbags on the board. This kid is a hero. He saved his buddies..he's better then u, he's buddies are better then u....when ur balls drop feel free to enlist or do something for ur country besides whine like women.
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Its Memorial day....thats why some of u worthless pieces of shit have the day off...remember that. 4 pages of BS about the war and whining from the lib windbags on the board. This kid is a hero. He saved his buddies..he's better then u, he's buddies are better then u....when ur balls drop feel free to enlist or do something for ur country besides whine like women.
True, Pray for the troops, i care more about the troops then the U.S government.
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Dude..again 2 tours...waitiing for number 3,4.5,6 etc..don't really care how many. I'm active duty douchebag. I guess it really hits home to u wussbags..how evil and worthless ur comments are.
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Its Memorial day....thats why some of u worthless pieces of shit have the day off...remember that. 4 pages of BS about the war and whining from the lib windbags on the board. This kid is a hero. He saved his buddies..he's better then u, he's buddies are better then u....when ur balls drop feel free to enlist or do something for ur country besides whine like women.
lol. I like it. This man speaks the truth. :)
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so you have no problem going back to iraq to die for George W Bush ?
NT
For an ACTIVE duty military guy HH6 sure has a lot of time to dick around on these boards. He also claims to know more about the war than those people working in the CIA.
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Its Memorial day....thats why some of u worthless pieces of shit have the day off...remember that. 4 pages of BS about the war and whining from the lib windbags on the board. This kid is a hero. He saved his buddies..he's better then u, he's buddies are better then u....when ur balls drop feel free to enlist or do something for ur country besides whine like women.
I cannot and will not endorse or condone the 2nd-degree murder (depraved indifference) of the young men and women who have signed up to serve and protect their country, NOT THE SPECIAL INTERESTS who profit from the Bush II Presidency.
This young man could've done so much more with the life that was STOLEN from him.
This is not something I can smile and cheer about.
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For an ACTIVE duty military guy HH6 sure has a lot of time to dick around on these boards. He also claims to know more about the war than those people working in the CIA.
People on the ground do know more than the suits at Langley.
What HH6 *doesn't* know, however, is the motivation behind Bush's War.
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when ur balls drop feel free to enlist or do something for ur country besides whine like women.
I think you're being a little hard on Beach Bum there, HH6.
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What HH6 *doesn't* know, however, is the motivation behind Bush's War.
HH6 is an honest and well-informed guy. He's made it clear in the past that he agrees the war is about resources - oil and base positioning. He can correct me if I'm wrong. But yeah, he's been very open about it.
From what I can deduce from his posts, he feels it's an honorable thing to serve, because the troops do keep us free, and they do help us to maintain our standard of living. HH6 can correct me if I"m wrong here.
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HH6 is an honest and well-informed guy. He's made it clear in the past that he agrees the war is about resources - oil and base positioning. He can correct me if I'm wrong. But yeah, he's been very open about it.
From what I can deduce from his posts, he feels it's an honorable thing to serve, because the troops do keep us free, and they do help us to maintain our standard of living. HH6 can correct me if I"m wrong here.
Are you saying that if we didn't go to Iraq we wouldnt be free and our standard of living would be worse than it is now?
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Are you saying that if we didn't go to Iraq we wouldnt be free and our standard of living would be worse than it is now?
We woudln't be as low TODAY. But in the span of the next 40 years, I do believe we'll be stronger because of the war. Why? Because when Saddam dropped the dollar in 2003, many other nations were thinking about it too. We JDAM'd his nation for it. Other nations decided to keep the dollar peg around. Of course, Iran just dropped it. So they're next on the pinkmist list.
The minute the dolalr is de-pegged, shit gets really ugly here and everything gets about ten times more expensive. We don't want that.
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I cannot and will not endorse or condone the 2nd-degree murder (depraved indifference) of the young men and women who have signed up to serve and protect their country, NOT THE SPECIAL INTERESTS who profit from the Bush II Presidency.
This young man could've done so much more with the life that was STOLEN from him.
This is not something I can smile and cheer about.
Tre, those of us who are/were military aren't talking about the war when discussing this brave man. We're talking about something totally different.
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We woudln't be as low TODAY. But in the span of the next 40 years, I do believe we'll be stronger because of the war. Why? Because when Saddam dropped the dollar in 2003, many other nations were thinking about it too. We JDAM'd his nation for it. Other nations decided to keep the dollar peg around. Of course, Iran just dropped it. So they're next on the pinkmist list.
The minute the dolalr is de-pegged, shit gets really ugly here and everything gets about ten times more expensive. We don't want that.
I disagree but what about the issue of freedom, you think that if we didn't go to Iraq we would be less free?
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Tre, those of us who are/were military aren't talking about the war when discussing this brave man. We're talking about something totally different.
Correct. This hero volunteered to serve. He then did what heroes do and protected his fellow soldiers. He died serving his country and gave his life for his comrades. Has nothing to do with people's objections to the war.
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Correct. This hero volunteered to serve. He then did what heroes do and protected his fellow soldiers. He died serving his country and gave his life for his comrades. Has nothing to do with people's objections to the war.
Your flag sucking brings a tear to my eye.
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Your flag sucking brings a tear to my eye.
::) Ah quit crying and go visit your local Marine recruiter.
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HH6 is an honest and well-informed guy. He's made it clear in the past that he agrees the war is about resources - oil and base positioning. He can correct me if I'm wrong. But yeah, he's been very open about it.
I stand corrected. You are right.
I should've said that what he has no business doing is defending Bush's rationale.
From what I can deduce from his posts, he feels it's an honorable thing to serve, because the troops do keep us free, and they do help us to maintain our standard of living. HH6 can correct me if I"m wrong here.
I, too, consider it an honorable profession.
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HH6 is an honest and well-informed guy. He's made it clear in the past that he agrees the war is about resources - oil and base positioning. He can correct me if I'm wrong. But yeah, he's been very open about it.
From what I can deduce from his posts, he feels it's an honorable thing to serve, because the troops do keep us free, and they do help us to maintain our standard of living. HH6 can correct me if I"m wrong here.
Pretty much on target. The war was for oil. I don't make policy so if GWB wants to invade he invades. As I recall most folks went along with it. As for what happened after the invasion, that was typical American arrogance. Not Republican/Neocon arrogance, Amnerican arrogance. P4 has proven with more guys on the street, we can control and win the war. The US army wanted 500,000 guys on the street after the invasion. The civilians at the Pentagon wouldn't listen. Had we conducted surge tactics in 2003, we'd be talking abot something else right now. As far as what I know and don't know....yeah my current job places in an organization that certifies units before they deploy....we're part of the folks that developed the Surge etc. We get the latest intel and happenings in Iraq and Afghanistan. We can VTC into the MNCI battle updates that happen daily overseas....When I move to another unit it won't be like this..but for the next 2 years or so...hoepfully less....I'll have a good grasp of whats happening. Plus we send guys over for 30 day visist every few months. I'm headed back in October.
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Bush admits there were no WMD, child.
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Pretty much on target. The war was for oil. I don't make policy so if GWB wants to invade he invades. As I recall most folks went along with it. As for what happened after the invasion, that was typical American arrogance. Not Republican/Neocon arrogance, Amnerican arrogance.
Are you suggesting the people are responsible or politicians?
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I'm suggesting the politicians and Washington insiders. There are others but I'm not in the business of airing out the various Services dirty laundry, u guys try hard enough at that as it is. I blame alot of what happened on the Rummy an d Wolfishitz.
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The dollar will collapse anyway......its all planned by the UN. If they have to keep putting hh6 in more wars to do it then they will.