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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: dj181 on December 02, 2023, 08:42:33 AM
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i'll get it tomorrow and run 50 mgs sust and 20 mgs ACE on the daily, so 350 test 140 ACE 500 mgs total, well almost 500 :D
this past week i dropped cals somewhat but not alot and i lost about 5 fucking pounds already ??? ??? ???
i'll post photos, measurements, bodyweights and strength performances to see what happens
i have enough for a 7 week blast yeah 500 is a blast for me :D :D :D
i think i'll weigh about the same but be much much leaner, recomp
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Will weigh in at gym tomorrow my scale here sucks
Arms-16 waist-31.5 chest-47 delts-52
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Current strength levels
Bench paused at chest 210x5 behind neck press 135x2 close grip bench 195x6 decline bench to chin 165x11 dip 55 addedx12 machine overhead press 80x15 skulls 90x11 bent over tri cable skull 90x11 machine lateral 165x12
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Weighed in at a buck 69
Just shot 75 mgs sust 30 mgs ACE
So will keep it there on the daily
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what lab are you using ?
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what lab are you using ?
pharmagen
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Dj,
For age 52 you have a decent, lean, natty build, like a person doing a lot of running or biking, triathlon stuff.
All those drugs, $$ spent, and health risk for what?
Are you sure the drugs you are taking are actually real because they aren't working to put any muscle on you.
You are doing something wrong in your diet and training. Something is not right in what you are doing.
You are very lean though but you could do that just with diet and exercise. No drugs necessary.
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Dj,
For age 52 you have a decent, lean, natty build, like a person doing a lot of running or biking, triathlon stuff.
All those drugs, $$ spent, and health risk for what?
Are you sure the drugs you are taking are actually real because they aren't working to put any muscle on you.
You are doing something wrong in your diet and training. Something is not right in what you are doing.
You are very lean though but you could do that just with diet and exercise. No drugs necessary.
Is this zero muscle gain? I weigh the same in both photos
I'm sure the drugs are real because I took a total test and free test reading on 250 mgs sust and my total test was 2887, upper limit is 1200 most labs say 850-900
I'm genetically gifted with ripped genes but size genes not so much
My wrists are less than 6 inches and I have a swallow and narrow ribcage and narrow hips, ie tiny joints
Take a 6 foot guy with 8 inch jumbo wrists joints compared to a 6 foot guy with 6 inch tiny wrists joints both at 180 and the tiny joimt guy will look much bigger
I don't want to weigh any more than 180 @ 5% Serge nubret was 200 @ 5% at 6 foot was he natty?
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Nubret was 5'10" but whatever, it is irrelevent. And he obtained his low bf levels by taking amphetamines and another unique drug.
He was a serious speed freak.
Zane was 180 at 5'9" when he won his Olympias. Off season he was 200+.
These champions did not maintain year round low bf levels. They did not use the drugs year round like the idiots of today.
Also when trying to gain size/muscle before cutting they ate a lot of calories. They used steroids of course and when cutting it allowed them to retain the muscle they built.
Your test levels are crazy high but it's not resulting in significant muscle gains.
However it will cause harm to you over time.
How tall are you?
What is your training routine?
I think your obsession with low bodyfat is preventing you from gaining.
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Nubret was 5'10" but whatever, it is irrelevent. And he obtained his low bf levels by taking amphetamines and another unique drug.
He was a serious speed freak.
Zane was 180 at 5'9" when he won his Olympias. Off season he was 200+.
These champions did not maintain year round low bf levels. They did not use the drugs year round like the idiots of today.
Also when trying to gain size/muscle before cutting they ate a lot of calories. They used steroids of course and when cutting it allowed them to retain the muscle they built.
Your test levels are crazy high but it's not resulting in significant muscle gains.
However it will cause harm to you over time.
How tall are you?
What is your training routine?
I think your obsession with low bodyfat is preventing you from gaining.
theres's photo of serge next to arnold on stage at the 75 olymipa when they filmed pumping iron and he is only about 1 inch shorter than him and arnold was 6'1" or 6'2"
i'm 5'10.5" and i do alot of set extenders, drops sets, rest pause etc
what matters is training to failure and trying to increase training loads
bulking has never worked me its a waste of time, my gift is recomp, i weighed 169 at weigh in and i'm 9-10% right now so and i predict i'll be 4-5% at 165ish in 5 weeks
you see the recomp i did 250 test and 20 dbol (dbol isn't a recomp drug supposedly hahahahah it's total bullshit, recomp comes from straving lol) so now i want to see if ACE is an even better recomp drug, i've doubled test to 525 and tren is 210
so first total anabolic load was 390 mgs and now it's 735 mgs so let's say from 400 mgs to 700 mgs
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But you said you can't bench 185 so how is it you are increasing your training load other than exhausting your recovery?
All those drugs and you are weak. No gains.
With all the juice you should be strong as heck.
Your training and diet are not producing results beyond keeping you lean.
I appreciate your conversing with me about this.
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But you said you can't bench 185 so how is it you are increasing your training load other than exhausting your recovery?
All those drugs and you are weak. No gains.
With all the juice you should be strong as heck.
Your training and diet are not producing results beyond keeping you lean.
I appreciate your conversing with me about this.
last bench i got 210 for 5 with paused reps at the chest, on the behind neck press i did 135 for a double
on anadrol i benched 245 for 6 striaght reps
the only drug that increased str was anadrol, tren didn't, mast didn't var didn't but anadrol was a different story
i won't be incereasing loads for the next 5 weeks as i will be straving :D :D :D
here's my diet 2 days in
day 1: meal 1: 2 whole eggs in about 200 ml of milk and 1000 ml of energy drink
meal 2: 100 grams of white fish, 25 grams of meat, cup of rice and sweet and sour sause for the fish
and that's it 8)
day 2: meal 1: 1 whole eggs in about 200 ml of milk and 1000 ml of energy drink
meal 2: 50 grams of white fish, 50 grams of meat, cup of rice and sweet and sour sause for the fish
i'll pound out 2 meals daily for most days and add a 3rd maybe every 5th day
did this on my first recomp and ended up gaining losing 12-13 pounds of fat while GAINING 9-10 pounds of muscle and that was on 250 mgs sust and 20 mgs dbol 8) this time round its 525 mgs sust and 210 mgs ACE
i'll add in my daily meals and take update photos weekly as i'll lose fat VERY VERY FAST i can lose 3% bodyfat in 2 weeks so in 4 weeks i can lose 6% and that would put my bodyfat at sub-4% i'll post my leanest ever condition ever which was sub-4 or very near
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My leanest condition
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i was going to post update pics on the weekly but as i said i can lose fat lightening fast so i decided on taking update pics every 4 or 5 days, should be interesting...
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speaking of fast fat loss back in the day i went from 12% to 7.5% in two weeks time and that was fully natty, which is a 4.5% fat loss
i'd say i'm 10% now so in two weeks i'm betting i'll be 6% in 2 weeks we will see
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todays meals
meal 1: 1 whole egg 300 ml of milk about 700 ml of energy drink half an orange
meal 2: 100 grams of chicken breast 50 grams of white fish 80 grams of sausage white rice and sweet and sour sause
i'll measure my waist tomorrow and if it's shrunk, which i'm sure it has, i'll take an update pic of the evening
first waist measurement was 31.5 inches, probably 31 or even 30.5 inches tomorrow
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Interesting.
Appreciate the updates.
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Interesting.
Appreciate the updates.
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thanks for following fellas i'll try to not disappoint ;D
i'll take the update photo tomorrow after 5 days in, i think i'll go with updates every 5 days and by the 15th day i plan to be sitting @ 6%, thought about trying to go down to 3% but maybe i'll just go to 4%
i can easily maintain 5% long term without effort i got those ripped dry genetic just need to add maybe 10-15 more pounds lean dry muscle
today was lower cal then normal
meal 1: 1 whole egg 300 ml of milk about 300 ml of energy drink half an orange
meal 2: 100 grams of chicken breast 40 grams of sausage and sweet and sour sause
so cut the energy drink down from 700 ml to 300 ml and dropped the white rice today
i aslo drink 500 ml of orange juice mixed in water with salt throughout the day, but today it's 200 ml since i didn't train today, because my intra workout is 300 ml of juice mixed with water, creatine and eea's
the creatine and eea's are flavored so i can mix them in water today without need as much juice
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todays meals
meal 1: 1 whole egg 300 ml of milk about 700 ml of energy drink half an orange
meal 2: 100 grams of chicken breast 50 grams of white fish 80 grams of sausage white rice and sweet and sour sause
i'll measure my waist tomorrow and if it's shrunk, which i'm sure it has, i'll take an update pic of the evening
first waist measurement was 31.5 inches, probably 31 or even 30.5 inches tomorrow
do you take anything to control your appetite? you gotta be hungry arent ya bro?
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do you take anything to control your appetite? you gotta be hungry arent ya bro?
honestly i don't and i basically tell myself don't be a weak fag like my uncle wrote in my training log when i was a late teen :D :D :D
i was a runner in high school cross country and track and a pretty good one and the way i got good was not being a pussy and suffering through physical pain, when you run hard it fucking hurts but to get better you must run even harder so i trained myself to be a tough SOB 8) although my machoass uncles said running is for pussies because no once strikes you or elbows you or pushes you, real men box, play football, baseball or basketball :D :D :D
i have eea's and i figured out that 3 grams of leucine and i need 6 fuckinf scoops for 3 grams of leucine and i was only using one goddamn scoop so now i know better
on a side note eeas aren't really needed if you eat a good amount of protien but in my case as my protien is very low this leucine is highly important
all steriods increase pro synthesis but ACE actually decreases pro breakdown (the only one that does) which is one of the reasons why it is so potent for recomp, plus it blocks cortisol again a great recomp tool 8)
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lost 3.5 pounds 4 days it's mostly likely from less food in the gut and carb depletion from ultra low cals, i'm eating bout 1200 cals a day although most of them are carbs
today i had 3 meals
meal 1: one whole egg and 300 ml milk and 300 ml of energy drink
meal 2: 80 grams chicken breast 40 grams of sausage 20 grams white rice and a tad of sweet and sour sause
meal 3: 80 grams chicken breast 40 grams of sausage 20 grams carmal popcorn and a tad of sweet and sour sause and a few grams of eaa's which contains one gram of leucine
intra-workout of eaa's which has 3 grams of leucine and 15 carbs grams and 5 grams creatine
on training days i'll eat 3 meals a day hitting 3 grams of leucine per meal and the intra workout which is also 3 grams of leucine
on off day 2 meals hitting the 3 gram of leucine per meal threshold and the intra workout as a 3rd meal
my cals were bout 1200 now they'll go to bout 1800 on training days and 1200 on off days
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Here's the 5 days in update bottom pic is the most recent 😂
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looking good pal
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looking good pal
cheers ;)
i'll keep going the course til i'm in the same condition as i was last summer and then i'll be able to see just how much actual lean muscle tissue i have accumulated
hopefully it will be 5-7 pounds and most importantly the waist must be the same size at that condition or even less and if it's bigger then it's a failure
if i end up 5-7 pounds bigger at the same condition with the same size waist or even less then i can be certain all that weight went to my arms, delts, pecs and upper lats
5-7 pounds added only to those pasts is pretty significant i think but i'll know for sure once i get there
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My leanest condition
Impressive.
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Impressive.
thanks bro, i think i may have been a legit 4% there
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I'm no one to criticize someone else's body but it seems you are happy and excited with how things are progressing. I forgot how old you are? I'm closer to 50 than 40, what horror. My friend who I've posted pictures of before, a dude who isn't a monster yet a very good bb, is a couple of years younger than me. He took like 4 years off competing and now he's thinking of doing one last show. It's unfortunate that he felt at least mentally so burnt out in 2019 because he was just at the cusp of becoming an old man, an age after which you can no longer be your "best ever." Like Shawn Rhoden won the O at 45 and that is really approaching the limit after which you start to get worse. One minor sign that one is past his prime is when you look at the skin on the side of the pec, when it starts to crease and fold - your skin will never be the same. I have some strength goals still as that is something some can increase even when from a bb
perspective someone is past his prime.
Why did you explicitly go "low protein"? I'm not saying you should eat this or that amount but you are now adding leucine to hit the "anabolic treshhold" but from my readings it's questionable how smart it is to supplement singular amino acids as scientists know this can theoretically throw your body off balance, an example is leucine lowering isoleucine and valine. A high dose of one single amino can lower a couple of others. So let's say you now max out protein synthesis how would you know you now have adequate EAAs circulating to actually take advantage of the increase in protein synthesis? Or how do you know your intake of nonessential aminos is optimal - we know these other aminos assist muscle building, sensitize the body to anabolic signals and essential aminos etc.
https://www.ergo-log.com/if-leucine-isn-t-stimulating-muscle-growth-try-combining-it-with-glycine.html
I take aminos myself, based on a hunches mostly lol. For example I've now taken to taking up to 30 grams of Jordan Peters' EAAs with 20 grams of PEPTOPRO first thing in the morning and just before working out, usually with some insulin. I add a small dose of creatine, l-carnitine, sodium, arginine, citrulline, glutamine, and whatever else I think might enhance anabolic signaling. I'm probably majorly overshooting the dose of aminos but I speculate it's positive to drive blood aminos as high as possible a couple of times a day, maybe the most "important" time being just before the workout, (so it's available during the workout) to take advantage of the "hyperemia" during workouts, insulin further increasing blood flow while activating anabolic pathways when combined with the aminos. "Don't send empty blood" as Milos says LOL and there may be something to this. I'm probably at 30 grams of leucine alone lol around the workout window. Anyhow, this is just nerding out, probably mostly unnecessarily, but I tend to start micromanaging things in my mind. Oh yeah, there was a study showing "old" people needed 40 grams of intact protein to get the same elevated protein synthesis that young people get from just 20 grams so my 50 grams of free aminos and peptides might not be so excessive? But like you said, there's actually no real evidence EAAs as crystalline single aminos have any advantage over intact (food) protein.
Ever tried glycerol loading? It's just a temporary trick but I would be curious if you looked or felt different (pumps) trying the protocol. For me I calculated I needed 100 grams of glycerol with 2 liters of water, which I started drinking 2 hours before a workout. I added a few grams of salt plus some carbs and creatine so as to not piss everything out quickly (that's what the glycerol is for but we need sodium etc too). I only managed to do it once and didn't get the best workout (pump) but I was maybe 5lbs heavier.
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I'm no one to criticize someone else's body but it seems you are happy and excited with how things are progressing. I forgot how old you are? I'm closer to 50 than 40, what horror. My friend who I've posted pictures of before, a dude who isn't a monster yet a very good bb, is a couple of years younger than me. He took like 4 years off competing and now he's thinking of doing one last show. It's unfortunate that he felt at least mentally so burnt out in 2019 because he was just at the cusp of becoming an old man, an age after which you can no longer be your "best ever." Like Shawn Rhoden won the O at 45 and that is really approaching the limit after which you start to get worse. One minor sign that one is past his prime is when you look at the skin on the side of the pec, when it starts to crease and fold - your skin will never be the same. I have some strength goals still as that is something some can increase even when from a bb
perspective someone is past his prime.
Why did you explicitly go "low protein"? I'm not saying you should eat this or that amount but you are now adding leucine to hit the "anabolic treshhold" but from my readings it's questionable how smart it is to supplement singular amino acids as scientists know this can theoretically throw your body off balance, an example is leucine lowering isoleucine and valine. A high dose of one single amino can lower a couple of others. So let's say you now max out protein synthesis how would you know you now have adequate EAAs circulating to actually take advantage of the increase in protein synthesis? Or how do you know your intake of nonessential aminos is optimal - we know these other aminos assist muscle building, sensitize the body to anabolic signals and essential aminos etc.
https://www.ergo-log.com/if-leucine-isn-t-stimulating-muscle-growth-try-combining-it-with-glycine.html
I take aminos myself, based on a hunches mostly lol. For example I've now taken to taking up to 30 grams of Jordan Peters' EAAs with 20 grams of PEPTOPRO first thing in the morning and just before working out, usually with some insulin. I add a small dose of creatine, l-carnitine, sodium, arginine, citrulline, glutamine, and whatever else I think might enhance anabolic signaling. I'm probably majorly overshooting the dose of aminos but I speculate it's positive to drive blood aminos as high as possible a couple of times a day, maybe the most "important" time being just before the workout, (so it's available during the workout) to take advantage of the "hyperemia" during workouts, insulin further increasing blood flow while activating anabolic pathways when combined with the aminos. "Don't send empty blood" as Milos says LOL and there may be something to this. I'm probably at 30 grams of leucine alone lol around the workout window. Anyhow, this is just nerding out, probably mostly unnecessarily, but I tend to start micromanaging things in my mind. Oh yeah, there was a study showing "old" people needed 40 grams of intact protein to get the same elevated protein synthesis that young people get from just 20 grams so my 50 grams of free aminos and peptides might not be so excessive? But like you said, there's actually no real evidence EAAs as crystalline single aminos have any advantage over intact (food) protein.
Ever tried glycerol loading? It's just a temporary trick but I would be curious if you looked or felt different (pumps) trying the protocol. For me I calculated I needed 100 grams of glycerol with 2 liters of water, which I started drinking 2 hours before a workout. I added a few grams of salt plus some carbs and creatine so as to not piss everything out quickly (that's what the glycerol is for but we need sodium etc too). I only managed to do it once and didn't get the best workout (pump) but I was maybe 5lbs heavier.
i've never tried glycerol but now i'ma gonna look into it, probably ready 20 articles and watch 15 youtube vids on it :D :D :D
with my eea's supp in need 6 scoops to get 3 grams of leucine so that comes out to 17 grams of pro and 16 grams of carbs, i mix it in water with 5 grams of creatine and half a teaspoon of salt, not sure how much slin i could add to that without going hypo maybe 2 or 3 ius max
for breakfast i add 2 sccops of eea's into the milk which give me another gram of leucine, i either do 2 whole large eggs and 300 ml of milk or one whole large egg and 500 ml of milk which gives me 3 grams total
another meal i eat 125 grams of chicken breast which again gives 3 grams of leucine and half a sausage for some added fat and white rice and some kinda sause for the paper plate tasting chicken fucking breast :D :D :D
once i'm 5% with a 29 inch waist i'll throw in a-bombs and slin and keep the wasit @ 29 inches and add size to the delts, arms, pecs and upper lats ONLY 8)
first transformation i ate 80-100 grams pro a day not worrying about leucine and went from 13% to 5% and only lost 2-3 scale pounds so therefore i GAINED 9-10 of pure lean dry muscle over the course or 7-8 weeks which is pretty amazing :D :D :D
i came from an untrained state though as i hadn't trained for bout 4 months prior although i was injecting something like 150 mgs test weekly trt, those studies that say you gain lean dry tissue without training are.... TOTAL HORSE BULLSHIT!!!!
this time around i'm in a trained state but i'm using THE ACE and will add slin and a-bombs once i'm sitting @ 5%
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waist is down 1 full inch in 7 days was 31.5 now 30.5 in peak photo was 29.5
i should be in my previous condition in 2 weeks MAX
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the rage nowadays is test with mast or primo or both, as i said mast is such a shit drug for me and now these guy are saying the truth that mast is a shit lean muscle builder as i always thought but they say primo does add size like a drier deca
both mast and primo lower estro but mast does this more than primo probably why it's such a fucking shitty drug :D :D :D
they say run primo at half test and i'll rather always run test from 250-500 so that means 125-250 primo
i respond best to test, deca, ACE, var, drol and dbol, i'll never run mast or winny ever again
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the rage nowadays is test with mast or primo or both, as i said mast is such a shit drug for me and now these guy are saying the truth that mast is a shit lean muscle builder as i always thought but they say primo does add size like a drier deca
both mast and primo lower estro but mast does this more than primo probably why it's such a fucking shitty drug :D :D :D
they say run primo at half test and i'll rather always run test from 250-500 so that means 125-250 primo
i respond best to test, deca, ACE, var, drol and dbol, i'll never run mast or winny ever again
looking good bro.. you know YOU operate for sure... ever eat a ton n fill out(LOL cheat) along the way? you seem like a robot w your diet is why i ask.
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looking good bro.. you know YOU operate for sure... ever eat a ton n fill out(LOL cheat) along the way? you seem like a robot w your diet is why i ask.
i cheated slightly by eating some carmel popcorn with my chicken and sausage instead of rice like 3 days ago lol
last 2 days i only had 2 feedings the breakkie of milk egg and energy drink both days and yesterday 2nd meal was 6 scoops of intra workout eeas, today second meal was chicken, sausage and rice
i got 12,000 legit cals at mcdonalds some years back just to see if i could eat and honestly it wasn't that hard in fact could have eaten 15,000 or more in one sitting
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The Masteron or Primo as main anabolic idea of course come from Victor Black and Broderick Chavez. "Take as much test as you you can handle without estrogenic sides or DHT sides... without having to take AIs or finsteride or whatever. Then titrate up either Primo or Masteron until desired effect." I never did any AIs really, so what's my test limit? I'm sure I could take 5 grams of test without problems. Why Mast or Primo? Well they are "human approved" drugs. But there are other drugs one could take with this type of plan in mind. I never did Mast in high doses and I don't remember if I ever did Primo so can't say much about them.
That Chase Irons fella said he took like 2.5 grams of test with 2 grams of Mast no problem, good bloodwork. Said he was going to do 5 grams of test with 1 gram Primo next I think.
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The Masteron or Primo as main anabolic idea of course come from Victor Black and Broderick Chavez. "Take as much test as you you can handle without estrogenic sides or DHT sides... without having to take AIs or finsteride or whatever. Then titrate up either Primo or Masteron until desired effect." I never did any AIs really, so what's my test limit? I'm sure I could take 5 grams of test without problems. Why Mast or Primo? Well they are "human approved" drugs. But there are other drugs one could take with this type of plan in mind. I never did Mast in high doses and I don't remember if I ever did Primo so can't say much about them.
That Chase Irons fella said he took like 2.5 grams of test with 2 grams of Mast no problem, good bloodwork. Said he was going to do 5 grams of test with 1 gram Primo next I think.
they both lower estro mast more than primo
i hate mast and winny never use them again those drugs suckass for me
primo supposedly is like deca i don't buy it but i never ran it so just specualtion
the only dht that doesnt make me flat and stringy is var, therefore i have no need for a dht (except drol is one which makes ZERO fucking sense as i get fuller on that one)
i was dry on sust dbol only dryness it not my issue :D :D :D
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seems the only reason to use mast or primo is too be able to use more test without an ai
mast anabolism fucking sucks
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they both lower estro mast more than primo
i hate mast and winny never use them again those drugs suckass for me
primo supposedly is like deca i don't buy it but i never ran it so just specualtion
the only dht that doesnt make me flat and stringy is var, therefore i have no need for a dht (except drol is one which makes ZERO fucking sense as i get fuller on that one)
i was dry on sust dbol only dryness it not my issue :D :D :D
Primo is too expensive for me but the main problem is how it's so often faked.
And since most everyone will say test is more effective why not just take more test? Other than the unbearable test sides they talk about... I'm oversimplyfying but plenty of bodybuilders use mostly just test, in the off season.
I don't know how useful those "steroid tree" charts are. Like DHT derivative is supposed to be generally more psychoactive - it's not always the case, a DHT derivative doesn't equal actual DHT.
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Primo is too expensive for me but the main problem is how it's so often faked.
And since most everyone will say test is more effective why not just take more test? Other than the unbearable test sides they talk about... I'm oversimplyfying but plenty of bodybuilders use mostly just test, in the off season.
I don't know how useful those "steroid tree" charts are. Like DHT derivative is supposed to be generally more psychoactive - it's not always the case, a DHT derivative doesn't equal actual DHT.
i want a certain look, ie dry and scuplted but i think i become dry and scuplted no matter what i'm on once i'm 5-6% :D :D :D
there turd bb's say test dbol makes you wet and bloofy does this look wet and bloofy to you :D :D :D
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waist is looking small and narrow now and i've only lost one inch from it ???
from 31.5 to 30.5 in my peak pic it was 29.5
i think i could shrink it to 28 but that's bout limit me thinks
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Unfortunatilly you want to do is something that many have tried and no one has achieved since it is impossible to increase size selectively, when we gain weight in our body insulin is being stimulated among other anabolic hormones and these hormones are contrary to a fat burn... My advice is not aimed at discouraging you but at not wasting your time, if you want a size you have to forget about the current size of your waist, you can increase with a minimum of fat but your waist will increase, first increase and then get shreded but the two things at the same time is impossible
cheers ;)
i'll keep going the course til i'm in the same condition as i was last summer and then i'll be able to see just how much actual lean muscle tissue i have accumulated
hopefully it will be 5-7 pounds and most importantly the waist must be the same size at that condition or even less and if it's bigger then it's a failure
if i end up 5-7 pounds bigger at the same condition with the same size waist or even less then i can be certain all that weight went to my arms, delts, pecs and upper lats
5-7 pounds added only to those pasts is pretty significant i think but i'll know for sure once i get there
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Think I can just stick with test and tren and not mess with the a-bombs
Once I put cals back at maintenance I can even lower the dose from 75 mg test 30 mg ACE to 50 and 20
I'm never gonna over feed again it ain't necessary and it doesn't speed up gains in my experience
I'm about 10 pounds heavier than my peak weight and I'm thinking I'll end up 5-7 pounds heavier at the same condition
Big Paul and Doc Mike said a 5 pound gain of pure lean dry muscle is enormous so I guess we'll see
Thing is all this 5-7 pounds will be located above my nipple's ♠️♠️♠️
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last 2 days i increased cals a bit with chocolate chip cookies and carmel popcorn and eating 3 meals per day instead of 2 and added a full .5 inches back on my waist >:( >:( >:(
gonna check my weight and if it went down and if it did then that's some shitty news
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Gained 2 pounds so at least my weight didn't go down while my waist went up :D
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here's an update, i'll post these pics here and have a look on the big screen and then give my thoughts
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so that fatty/water pocket on my low back above my hip is lesser and have improved meaning i'm leaner and drier
i'm pretty flat of course but that's to be expected on such low cals
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decided to lower the test to 250 and up the ACE to 350
was running bout 575 test before
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Impressive, dj.
You are very dedicated.
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Impressive, dj.
You are very dedicated.
Thank you 8)
You must be your own scientist and discover what world best for you through trail and error
As far as gear goes I have to keep test at no more than 250 mgs a week otherwise I lose "lines/shape"
I don't respond at all to mast and winny but I do respond to deca, tren, dbol, drol and var, I don't know bout primo but honestly I don't want to fork out that cash to test it coz if it is like winny and mast for me I will waste my money and time
Next I'll go with var or drol and 250 test
As far as diet goes I need some shit fast food otherwise I get too flat
Training I have to train at least every other day but not more than 3 days in a row, and I need to train a muscle every 48-96 hrs
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I've only lost 4 pounds so far on 1200 cals so it seems like I'm recomping
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Guess I'm pretty conditioned now...
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A bit more lat with in the front shot and some traps will give you a little more thicker look like everybody said here it’s hard to spot increase in certain areas a size ,delts also very good
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A bit more lat with in the front shot and some traps will give you a little more thicker look like everybody said here it’s hard to spot increase in certain areas a size ,delts also very good
thanks for the input bro
underdeveloped traps make the shoulders look wider so...
my biceps are my worst upper body part i have short knotty bis but some fellas here said i should do full range chins so i'm gonna give them a shot
my effort level for pec, delt tri is 10+ but for back bi bout 7-8
i'm putting more effort in upper back lat width with pulldowns and straight arm pulldowns i do wide grip high rows which put more emp on rear delt
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so the get lean dry phase is done
went from 169 to 160
now i'll attempt to add only lean dry muscle to my arms and delts
goal is 1 inch on arms in 6 weeks
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so the get lean dry phase is done
went from 169 to 160
now i'll attempt to add only lean dry muscle to my arms and delts
goal is 1 inch on arms in 6 weeks
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hahahahaha!!!!!!
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so the get lean dry phase is done
went from 169 to 160
now i'll attempt to add only lean dry muscle to my arms and delts
goal is 1 inch on arms in 6 weeks
looking good brother.....2 words tho.. sun tan! lol!! makes a huge difference imo.
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looking good brother.....2 words tho.. sun tan! lol!! makes a huge difference imo.
yep!!!! exactly ;D
and thanks bro
seems i only need to apply this tanning agent every 10 days or so so not bad 8)
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Look if you want to add size you have to eat. Your not getting enough calories. I know what you are trying to do. It won't work. You can not stay "lean" and get big at the same time. You want size eat big. Lift heavier do more compound sets. and train more often. A 4 day a week split is good but if your metabolism sucks ( recuperative ability) which I am guessing it does based on what you have posted then 4 days will be to much. Steroids work to add muscle when your eating enough and they help to keep muscle when your not eating enough. You will not get to say 190 lbs if your not eating enough no matter how much steroids you take. Won't happen. Like a few of us have said you look like a runner or swimmer. That is fine if that is what your goals are but if you want to be a bodybuilder and look like a bodybuilder then eat and train proper. Good luck
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Look if you want to add size you have to eat. Your not getting enough calories. I know what you are trying to do. It won't work. You can not stay "lean" and get big at the same time. You want size eat big. Lift heavier do more compound sets. and train more often. A 4 day a week split is good but if your metabolism sucks ( recuperative ability) which I am guessing it does based on what you have posted then 4 days will be to much. Steroids work to add muscle when your eating enough and they help to keep muscle when your not eating enough. You will not get to say 190 lbs if your not eating enough no matter how much steroids you take. Won't happen. Like a few of us have said you look like a runner or swimmer. That is fine if that is what your goals are but if you want to be a bodybuilder and look like a bodybuilder then eat and train proper. Good luck
Then how did I do this? I gained muscle while losing fat on 800-1000 cals a day. I went from 13 to 5% body fat in 8 week and only lost 2 pounds on the scale therefore I lost 12 pounds of pure body fat while gaining 10 full pounds of lean dry muscle tissue. I recompped like a mofo
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I agree with bigbychoices DJ. You are putting test and tren into your body and starving yourself. While using these compounds you should put everything you have into your nutrition and training. You should be recovering quick since you are "on" and should be able to get more workouts in. Also, while "on" it's much harder to get fat than it is off. Just my 2 cents. Where I disagree with him is that you should be able to get bigger and remain lean since you are "on". Focus on your lagging body parts.
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I agree with bigbychoices DJ. You are putting test and tren into your body and starving yourself. While using these compounds you should put everything you have into your nutrition and training. You should be recovering quick since you are "on" and should be able to get more workouts in. Also, while "on" it's much harder to get fat than it is off. Just my 2 cents. Where I disagree with him is that you should be able to get bigger and remain lean since you are "on". Focus on your lagging body parts.
i am increasing cals just polished off a chesse omlette and 2 bacon and eggs muffins post training, i'm doing doubles now and after each workout 70-100 grams of pro are going in me
i'm hammering delts and arms, pec and back will maintain, this dude at the gym keeps pushing me to train wheels but just dont have the fucking desire to do so, the only way i would train them is if i would be guarenteed that i could pound an ass like this on the daily, otherwise not gonna train them
on a side note the best man i've ever known is a joo, my moms best friends husband, and tell ya what, if someone tried to bully him well let's just say they'd pay the price
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my biceps have thickened and widen already i'm psyched AS FUCK 8) 8) 8) 8)
doing doubles and eating 70-100 grams within each post workout meal
not sure what to do bout log (fast action slin) ??? ??? ???
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I didn't mean that you can't stay relatively lean while getting bigger. You can. But you can't stay in single digit bodyfat numbers and expect to add real muscle. A good "clean" diet with enough calories to add weight a little at a time. Each bodyweight needs a certain amount of calories just to maintain that size. If you eat what a 150 lb man needs to maintain then you will never be 175 no matter how many drugs you take. If you eat for a 175 lb man then you will never be 200. etc. And dj181 I hate to disappoint you but you did NOT add 10 lbs of "new" muscle during 8 weeks. If you carb loaded you gained water weight. Which of course doesn't show up with a caliper test. And I know your going to argue about it too but I am not trying to insult you at all. I respect anyone who puts in the gym effort and goes after their goals. I am 59 and been in this since 14 years of age. ( really 12 but that was just mostly pushups etc) I have seen it all. Been around some of the best in the world. My first advice is to NOT believe the magazines or ANYONE saying it's easy quick or "this works". lol
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I didn't mean that you can't stay relatively lean while getting bigger. You can. But you can't stay in single digit bodyfat numbers and expect to add real muscle. A good "clean" diet with enough calories to add weight a little at a time. Each bodyweight needs a certain amount of calories just to maintain that size. If you eat what a 150 lb man needs to maintain then you will never be 175 no matter how many drugs you take. If you eat for a 175 lb man then you will never be 200. etc. And dj181 I hate to disappoint you but you did NOT add 10 lbs of "new" muscle during 8 weeks. If you carb loaded you gained water weight. Which of course doesn't show up with a caliper test. And I know your going to argue about it too but I am not trying to insult you at all. I respect anyone who puts in the gym effort and goes after their goals. I am 59 and been in this since 14 years of age. ( really 12 but that was just mostly pushups etc) I have seen it all. Been around some of the best in the world. My first advice is to NOT believe the magazines or ANYONE saying it's easy quick or "this works". lol
i always had the best muscle growth when i got heavy.. ate a ton, lifted a ton and rested a ton..and juiced a ton lol...
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I didn't mean that you can't stay relatively lean while getting bigger. You can. But you can't stay in single digit bodyfat numbers and expect to add real muscle. A good "clean" diet with enough calories to add weight a little at a time. Each bodyweight needs a certain amount of calories just to maintain that size. If you eat what a 150 lb man needs to maintain then you will never be 175 no matter how many drugs you take. If you eat for a 175 lb man then you will never be 200. etc. And dj181 I hate to disappoint you but you did NOT add 10 lbs of "new" muscle during 8 weeks. If you carb loaded you gained water weight. Which of course doesn't show up with a caliper test. And I know your going to argue about it too but I am not trying to insult you at all. I respect anyone who puts in the gym effort and goes after their goals. I am 59 and been in this since 14 years of age. ( really 12 but that was just mostly pushups etc) I have seen it all. Been around some of the best in the world. My first advice is to NOT believe the magazines or ANYONE saying it's easy quick or "this works". lol
so what happened in those photos?
what is my start and end bf?
i was only 2 pounds lighter hoesnt to god
i think i went for 13 to 5 you dont agree???
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Look . Are you measuring bodyfat with a caliper? I can use one and get different readings almost anytime. In fact personal trainers will do such things to make their clients "feel" like they are getting somewhere. They haven't lost a pound but adjust the caliper reading and say " well you added muscle and that's why the scale says the same. Then their customer is happy as hell.
Also camera angles are different. You are kind of hunched over in the top one and straight on and the lighting is darker. The second one you have better light and are twisting and flexing ( kind of) Or maybe you are using those scales that say how much bodyfat you have. They of course are in accurate. Lot's of ways to manipulate them too.
I have taken people and gotten them ready for a photo shoot and they looked like a mess in the "before" pictures. But shave them tan them use good light and change the camera angles and bingo!! Looks like a different person. All in the same day!! I have seen bodybuilders put on over 10 lbs in one day by just carb loading. That is not "new muscle" Just like the first week of keto you lose 5 to 10 lbs but it isn't fat it is water. Again I respect what your doing and trying but try to understand more about muscle and fat and nutrition and workouts. Some of us have been around for a long time. So we may know a bit more than others.
Also I think you said you don't even train legs? Do you know when your dieting and not eating enough to repair your muscles guess what the body will do? Yep. It will break down the muscle you are not using to try to repair the muscle that you are using. So your legs will shrink even more. Train the legs and you will see the upper body grow a bit better too. Good luck
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Look . Are you measuring bodyfat with a caliper? I can use one and get different readings almost anytime. In fact personal trainers will do such things to make their clients "feel" like they are getting somewhere. They haven't lost a pound but adjust the caliper reading and say " well you added muscle and that's why the scale says the same. Then their customer is happy as hell.
Also camera angles are different. You are kind of hunched over in the top one and straight on and the lighting is darker. The second one you have better light and are twisting and flexing ( kind of) Or maybe you are using those scales that say how much bodyfat you have. They of course are in accurate. Lot's of ways to manipulate them too.
I have taken people and gotten them ready for a photo shoot and they looked like a mess in the "before" pictures. But shave them tan them use good light and change the camera angles and bingo!! Looks like a different person. All in the same day!! I have seen bodybuilders put on over 10 lbs in one day by just carb loading. That is not "new muscle" Just like the first week of keto you lose 5 to 10 lbs but it isn't fat it is water. Again I respect what your doing and trying but try to understand more about muscle and fat and nutrition and workouts. Some of us have been around for a long time. So we may know a bit more than others.
Also I think you said you don't even train legs? Do you know when your dieting and not eating enough to repair your muscles guess what the body will do? Yep. It will break down the muscle you are not using to try to repair the muscle that you are using. So your legs will shrink even more. Train the legs and you will see the upper body grow a bit better too. Good luck
Excellent post and advices.
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Look . Are you measuring bodyfat with a caliper? I can use one and get different readings almost anytime. In fact personal trainers will do such things to make their clients "feel" like they are getting somewhere. They haven't lost a pound but adjust the caliper reading and say " well you added muscle and that's why the scale says the same. Then their customer is happy as hell.
Also camera angles are different. You are kind of hunched over in the top one and straight on and the lighting is darker. The second one you have better light and are twisting and flexing ( kind of) Or maybe you are using those scales that say how much bodyfat you have. They of course are in accurate. Lot's of ways to manipulate them too.
I have taken people and gotten them ready for a photo shoot and they looked like a mess in the "before" pictures. But shave them tan them use good light and change the camera angles and bingo!! Looks like a different person. All in the same day!! I have seen bodybuilders put on over 10 lbs in one day by just carb loading. That is not "new muscle" Just like the first week of keto you lose 5 to 10 lbs but it isn't fat it is water. Again I respect what your doing and trying but try to understand more about muscle and fat and nutrition and workouts. Some of us have been around for a long time. So we may know a bit more than others.
Also I think you said you don't even train legs? Do you know when your dieting and not eating enough to repair your muscles guess what the body will do? Yep. It will break down the muscle you are not using to try to repair the muscle that you are using. So your legs will shrink even more. Train the legs and you will see the upper body grow a bit better too. Good luck
look at the fullness and vienage in the forearms arms and delts
that's a clear indication that lean dry muscle tissue was added
yep different lightening and diff angle but still it is obvious i lost fat while gaining muscle tissue
i measure bf only by photo
are you trying to tell me i didn't lose any bf BAHAHAHAHA!!!!
in worst case scene i lost 7 pounds of fat MINIMUM so there i gain 5 pounds of muscle as i only lost 2 pounds scale weight
and no I WILL NOT TRAIN LEGS
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Excellent post and advices.
not so on THE ACE almost impossible to lose muscle on this compound
and no.... I WILL NOT TRAIN LEGS
once my surgery heals i'll train legs through cardio ;)
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Here ya go
Recomp city baby!!!!
And.... absolutely no pump here, NONE, ZERO, NADA, ZILLICH, SWEET FUCK ALL
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Just finished the second daily workout of lats
Now I'll go home and inject 12 ius of log and eat chicken and rice and if I start to go hypo like I did just I will pound down some blueberry rookies
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starting going hypo so just downed 25 grams of whey in a cup of milk and 6 cookies :D :D :D
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Just finished the second daily workout of lats
Now I'll go home and inject 12 ius of log and eat chicken and rice and if I start to go hypo like I did just I will pound down some blueberry rookies
Jesus man you are using insulin when you weigh 160lbs? Why? Insulin is going to carb load your muscles it allows you to process and eat more food but if you are not eating what is the point?
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Jesus man you are using insulin when you weigh 160lbs? Why? Insulin is going to carb load your muscles it allows you to process and eat more food but if you are not eating what is the point?
the safer use guys say use many anabolic pathways not just gear, check victor black
up to 167 now
i'll never weigh more than 175 @ 5% if i don't train legs and... I WILL NOT TRAIN LEGS
only leg traning i will do is cardio on the stationany bike :D :D :D
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Guys it is useless. We can't get thru to this guy. He is going to find out the hard way we all were right. He is bound and determined to do it like this and he is going to find out. He is wrong. He is wrong about EVERYTHING. Sad really. He is dillusional for sure. He is only "guessing" at bodyfat but arguing about it. Smh. Going hypo and he is going to not make it one day. What will it take to get him to listen? A hospital stay?
I remember Dan Duchaine talking about these types. They would ask for advice but would not listen. They just wanted people to AGREE with them . And if the advice, although right, didn't agree with what they were doing they wouldn't listen because they thought they knew more or read it or watched a video etc. Smh. So let's just let him do his thing. He will find out. I just hope he doesn't have to find out the hard way. Good luck kid
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i dont ask for advice show me where i did, that's you projecting
so you think i added no muscle tissue in those 8 weeks?
man fuck off with that shit! it's fucking clear as day that i did
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First of all I NEVER said that YOU asked for advice. Please show me where I said that? I said "these types" You won't listen to anyone UNLESS they agree with you. So I pointed that out. You have a piss poor attitude about everything. You really seem to be thinking that you are built better than you are. Also for some reason you think some of us don't "see" what you see. We all see it. BUT we all know for what little bit of muscle you have and the amount of drugs you are taking is crazy . Oh and you seem to think you can gain a bunch of muscle without eating or training correctly etc. Do you know even the best the most gifted genetic freaks can't put on 20 lbs of real muscle in a year they can put on weight but not all muscle( But you seem to think you can or thereabouts)
Kind of like the colorado experiment. Casey was hospitalized almost died lost all his muscle then started training and jones tried saying how he gained all this muscle. Smh. We are not saying things to piss you off we are saying things because it is true. But again you only want to hear positive things about what you are doing. You are looking for "reassurance" . Yes you look good for a swimmer. But not good enough to be on stage in a decent MP class. A tiny little novice show with no competitors and you might do ok. You are heading down a bad path ( health wise) but go ahead I am done being honest and trying to get thru to you. Good luck.
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390 mgs total is alot of gear ???
How come I am in the top 5 physique wise of all the guys that train at my gym and therefore are like 400 that I have seen
I am not big and I don't want to be big don't want to weigh more than 175 pound MAX my game is lines and aesthetic
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You look like shit, hope this helps.
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You look like shit, hope this helps.
hahahahahaha