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im confused on this i wish they would clarify it

i could have a small buisness and gross 500,000 but only net 30,000 a year due to buisness expenses
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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 04:01:01 PM »
im confused on this i wish they would clarify it

i could have a small buisness and gross 500,000 but only net 30,000 a year due to buisness expenses

so if this the case am i one of those that only earns 30,000 a year

lets say i own 100 apartments i get 500,000 dollars in rent but they cost me 470,000 year in maintenance paint, materials, labor ect lets say i have a lot of superior african americans i rent too and pleasant latinos for instance
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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 04:02:45 PM »
It's taxable income not net profit for fucks sake.  You could have googled the answer to this and found it in  5 seconds.

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 04:10:26 PM »
It's taxable income not net profit for fucks sake.  You could have googled the answer to this and found it in  5 seconds.

My point is when they talk about this on tv its a moot point about taxing small buisness guy who working his ass off for gross 250,000 if they are only netting a few thousand while a yung neegul on welfare gets more than that in benefits from the goverment

what matters is taxing net profit

not taxing taxable income for fucks sakes. this is an un-educated tax

huge difference

if you want jobs and buisness to thrive you dont tax taxable income you put a steeper tax on net profit to even things out
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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 04:32:44 PM »
seriously man the media and the presdent campains are purposley misleading people with this tax crap

two different people grossing 250,000 shouldnt be taxed the same way
they should be tax differently and according to how much they profit per year

however a person should NOT be taxed more the more they net profit

this will create INCENTIVE to CREATE A HIGH PROFIT BUISNESS if you tax THIS WAY
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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2012, 04:37:12 PM »
Revenues and income is not one in the same man.

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2012, 04:40:38 PM »
Im so confused. What is Wackdaddy trying to say?

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2012, 04:41:18 PM »
Revenues and income is not one in the same man.

but the media presedential campains push it as such one in the same thing my man

why do they do this

cant there be a fair way to devise a tax plan to incentivize profitable buisness as well as saving face for those not profiting as much but grossing alot

im guessing that kinda sounds like having it both ways but why not
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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2012, 04:44:38 PM »
Most likely, the rule would be based on taxable income.  

Most phase-outs of deductions and credits are based on AGI (adjusted gross income).

Gross income almost never comes into play in these type of computations.  

For example, if your S corp or Schedule C shows $300,000 gross and $50,000 net, only the $50,000 gets transferred to Form 1040, page 1.

I don't believe the $250,000 rule will happen.  It's too "comprehensive" in how much more taxes you'd pay.  I don't see it happening.  Why not just let the Bush tax cuts sunset on 12/31/2012?


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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2012, 04:45:44 PM »
but the media presedential campains push it as such one in the same thing my man

why do they do this

cant there be a fair way to devise a tax plan to incentivize profitable buisness as well as saving face for those not profiting as much but grossing alot

im guessing that kinda sounds like having it both ways but why not

Anyone who has made it past the 6th grade ought to know the difference

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2012, 04:46:20 PM »
im confused on this i wish they would clarify it

i could have a small buisness and gross 500,000 but only net 30,000 a year due to buisness expenses


Its net income, Falcon...definitely not gross.  You have to have 250,000 dollars net...that means the amount after taxes and expenses
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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2012, 04:47:41 PM »
Please google "income statement" in between pictures of men in thongs

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2012, 05:02:36 PM »
Most likely, the rule would be based on taxable income.  

Most phase-outs of deductions and credits are based on AGI (adjusted gross income).

Gross income almost never comes into play in these type of computations.  

For example, if your S corp or Schedule C shows $300,000 gross and $50,000 net, only the $50,000 gets transferred to Form 1040, page 1.

I don't believe the $250,000 rule will happen.  It's too "comprehensive" in how much more taxes you'd pay.  I don't see it happening.  Why not just let the Bush tax cuts sunset on 12/31/2012?



cool man thats what im saying...

but when they run these commericials, im thinking who in the hell makes (net income) 250,000 in one year thats not even one half of 1 percent of the population
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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2012, 05:04:52 PM »
cool man thats what im saying...

but when they run these commericials, im thinking who in the hell makes (net income) 250,000 in one year thats not even one half of 1 percent of the population

Where do you get your numbers and why are you confusing different concepts?

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 06:36:46 PM »
Im so confused. What is Wackdaddy trying to say?

Cash flow is not profit....

You are now eligible for an MBA.

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 06:39:31 PM »
Cash flow is not profit....

You are now eligible for an MBA.

Revenue is not cash flow either.
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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 06:43:02 PM »
Revenue is not cash flow either.

Just because The Great Falconi is describing "revenue", does not necessarily mean he's discussing "revenue".   ;D

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 07:39:46 PM »
If you gross $250k or more you get hit regardless if you're a business or individual income. If you're a business and make over $250k...congrats, you get fucked twice. It's a bullshit tax. If you're a business making $250k you're more than likely middle class because you're personal income after business expenses will be that of a middle class income family....congrats again, the middle class got fucked (he lied again) because Obamacare is going to RAPE the middle class.

We're fucked all around.

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2012, 08:42:35 PM »
Wasn't the tax rate like 68% during the Carter years?

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2012, 08:48:01 PM »
Wasn't the tax rate like 68% during the Carter years?
and 92 percent during Eisenhower.  My grandfather chose to go to jail rather than fork over 92 percent of his income.

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2012, 08:53:36 PM »
Just found this

Most people are probably not aware that tax rates are at a historic low. President Obama’s tax rates are lower than Ronald Reagan’s. The current income tax on people filing jointly making $200,000 or more in 2011 is 33 percent. The income tax on people filing jointly making $200,000 or more has been at 33 percent since 2003.

During 2001-2002, the income tax rate was at 35 percent. During the Clinton years, the income tax was 36 percent — and we had a balanced budget (1993-2000). During George H.W. Bush’s presidency, the tax rate was at 33 percent (which is where we are now). During Reagan’s presidency, the tax rate started in 1981 at 68 percent for people filing jointly making $200,000 or more. It went down during his presidency — 50 percent during 1982-1986, down to 38.5 percent in 1987 and down to 33 percent by the end of his presidency in 1989.

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2012, 08:54:10 PM »
and 92 percent during Eisenhower.  My grandfather chose to go to jail rather than fork over 92 percent of his income.
Really?
How is that possible? Any links?

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2012, 09:01:47 PM »
Yeah and obama leaves out 250k is for family's, so guess what if your single making 125k+(250k/2) your considered wealthy under his tax

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Re: gross or net income when they say tax cuts for over/under 250,000 $
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2012, 09:02:39 PM »
Yeah and obama leaves out 250k is for family's, so guess what if your single making 125k+(250k/2) your considered wealthy under his tax
Really? Ouch.

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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2012, 09:05:02 PM »
Really?
How is that possible? Any links?

Tax rate 87% during JFK. Found this


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April 16, 2011
Tax rates are at historic low under President Obama
To the Editor:
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— This is in response to the letter from Lisa Bittinger that ran in the April 12 edition of the Times-News.

When has the Tea Party ever been silent? I have news for the Tea Party. There is an answer to cutting the deficit. Wait for it ... Raise revenue. In other words — raise taxes.

Most people are probably not aware that tax rates are at a historic low. That’s right. President Obama’s tax rates are lower than Ronald Reagan’s. The current income tax on people filing jointly making $200,000 or more in 2011 is 33 percent. The income tax on people filing jointly making $200,000 or more has been at 33 percent since 2003.

During 2001-2002, the income tax rate was at 35 percent. During the Clinton years, the income tax was 36 percent — and we had a balanced budget (1993-2000). During George H.W. Bush’s presidency, the tax rate was at 33 percent (which is where we are now). During Reagan’s presidency, the tax rate started in 1981 at 68 percent for people filing jointly making $200,000 or more. It went down during his presidency — 50 percent during 1982-1986, down to 38.5 percent in 1987 and down to 33 percent by the end of his presidency in 1989.

During the Carter years (1977-1981) the tax rate started at 69 percent in 1977-1978 and went down to 68 percent in 1979-1980. During John F. Kennedy’s presidency (1961-1963), the tax rate was 87 percent. It dropped during Lyndon B. Johnson’s presidency in 1964 to 75 percent and then lower in 1965 to 70 percent, where it stayed until the end of Gerald Ford’s presidency in 1976.

All this information is available online at the Tax Foundation. Check it out. When the original Boston Tea Party threw tea into Boston Harbor in 1773, it was to protest “Taxation Without Representation.” Not to protest taxes. If you feel that your taxes are too high, please protest by not using any of the services provided for you by your income tax dollars. Please don’t call the police — there will be no response. Don’t call the fire department. Please don’t use the roads — although the Pennsylvania Turnpike is available for your use — enjoy.

Don’t send your kids to public school. Don’t take part in any community activity — as you are unwilling to support your community. Enjoy your private privatized life. As for myself, I enjoy coffee. Fair trade coffee. It might cost me a little more, but it’s a small price to pay to help support farming communities, and others who aren’t forcing small children to do hard labor in order to help the rich get richer. But hey, that’s just me.

Amy Riffle-Kouyeas

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