Sergio Oliva guestposing in Japan 1970s .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Of course. In fair shows they would've split the wins and Oliva would've competed in the Olympia throughout the 70s knowing he'd have a fair shot. Likewise for Nubret and guys like Padilla who retired after unfair decisions.

Between them, Columbu Zane and others never win.

Schwarzenegger showed up in his best condition in 73-74 because he was expecting Oliva to be there, after backing down from Oliva's challenge while Arnold sat in the audience of the Mr. International show.

He didn't back down stop propagating this myth , Weider didn't want him to compete Arnold was raring to go , Sergio already in contest shaped wanted to take on a precontest Arnold ( wow thats fair ) Sergio was invited by Joe to face Arnold at the Olympia HE DECLINED

Franco accepted Sergio's challenge and the two went head-to-head the promoter of the contest declared it a TIE the best he could manage was a tie with Franco and he's supposed to beat Arnold ? HA wishfull thinking

[NarcissisticDeity]

Translated: I'm a skinhead, he's not white.

Monster irony coming from you lol whoever beats your ebony heros its because of race and bias and politics , your default excuses

[NarcissisticDeity]

theres only one sergio,politics kept him from owning a bunch of sandows back then

He won three , so much for politics 

[GoneAway]

THAT is what a BBing physique should look like.

[growth]

Franco accepted Sergio's challenge and the two went head-to-head the promoter of the contest declared it a TIE

First time I heard about a tie. Your source ?

[Tony Doherty]

Great shots, thanks for posting them.

[NarcissisticDeity]

First time I heard about a tie. Your source ?

The Article I read , I'll see if I can find it , it was officially declared a tie however the promoter of the show raised both Sergio and Franco's arms indicating it was a tie

[growth]

What I read was that Sergio was declared the overall winner over Fanco only to later lose his title because he was disqualified.
I remember seeing that photo where both arms are raised and Franco clearly does not look as if a tie has just been declared.

[slaveboy1980]

those pic have been floating around the net for several years. there are several more, including one where he is doing shoulder presses with dbs

[NarcissisticDeity]

What I read was that Sergio was declared the overall winner over Fanco only to later lose his title because he was disqualified.
I remember seeing that photo where both arms are raised and Franco clearly does not look as if a tie has just been declared.

Sergio continued to rant and rave until Franco Columbu came up out of the audience to accept his challenge. Although not in his best shape, because he still had 27 days of muscularizing and "polishing" before the "Mr, Olympia," Franco gave a terrific posing display, Sergio then went through a rather brief routine. There was really no official decision, and, as you can see from the photo of the contest, Eddie Sylvestre raised both men's hands overhead which usually means a draw. However, it is important to point out that Sergio somehow got the title of "Mr. International Azteca." This was ruled out by the IFBB when it was learned that Sergio had entered the "Mr. Galaxy" contest (sponsored by the World Body Building Guild) a few days before, making him ineligible to compete in any IFBB show. It isn't exactly clear how Sergio got the 1st place trophy. . . perhaps he just walked over and picked it up on his own. The fact is that he does not have this title, and it was turned over to Franco Columbu as the only eligible entry.

[growth]

One might want to add that this was an article by Joe Weider who at that point in time was not exactly on friendly terms with Sergio after Sergio competed in the WBBG Mr. Galaxy and still he does NOT say that the contest officially was declared a draw, something that is highly unlikely anyway.

So I'd like to read about the contest from another source which seems hard to come by.

[NarcissisticDeity]

One might want to add that this was an article by Joe Weider who at that point in time was not exactly on friendly terms with Sergio after Sergio competed in the WBBG Mr. Galaxy and still he does NOT say that the contest officially was declared a draw, something that is highly unlikely anyway.

So I'd like to read about the contest from another source which seems hard to come by.

I could care less who won the impromptu pose down , because lets face it Franco wasn't beating either of them , however I think the story was pretty accurate , Sergio wanted to face Arnold when he was contest ready and Arnold wasn't ,  Sergio had a chance at the Olympia he declined

[growth]

If Sergio was not allowed to enter the Mr. International they would have allowed him into the Mr. Olympia a few weeks later ?
That does not sound very logical to me. Regarding the chance at the Olympia Sergio was already of the opinion that he lost unfairly to Arnold the year before so he would probably not have thought to get a fair shake anyway.

Anyway, I choose not to believe in uncle Joe's article and would like to read something about the contest frompreferably a non-Weider magazine.

[dustin]

Anyone who beat Sergio sucked Ben Weider's little winky. That's for sure. Sergio was so far ahead of the game it was just fucking stupid. He made everyone around him look like chumps. Absolutely sick pics, thanks man.

[NarcissisticDeity]

If Sergio was not allowed to enter the Mr. International they would have allowed him into the Mr. Olympia a few weeks later ?
That does not sound very logical to me. Regarding the chance at the Olympia Sergio was already of the opinion that he lost unfairly to Arnold the year before so he would probably not have thought to get a fair shake anyway.

Anyway, I choose not to believe in uncle Joe's article and would like to read something about the contest frompreferably a non-Weider magazine.

Joe would have probably let Sergio compete when Arnold was ready at the Olympia , Sergio was of the opinion he lost unfairly but 72 could have went either way , the other years he was beat soundly and he was also beat by Bill Pearl in a NON-IFBB contest

but the bottom line is Arnold didn't need to fear Sergio he beat him before , sure it could go either way however pumpster makes it out to be that Arnold was scared which is fanciful thinking

[NarcissisticDeity]

Anyone who beat Sergio sucked Ben Weider's little winky. That's for sure. Sergio was so far ahead of the game it was just fucking stupid. He made everyone around him look like chumps. Absolutely sick pics, thanks man.

Yeah thats the ignorant default excuse politics , Sergio had a great structure & genetics that doesn't mean he should win , lots more involved than just a great base .

[bodybuilder1234]

FUCK!!!!  How the fuck did Arnold beat him!!!!!

conditioning

[NarcissisticDeity]

conditioning

Hey someone who gets it !

[pumpster]

He didn't back down stop propagating this myth , Weider didn't want him to compete Arnold was raring to go , Sergio already in contest shaped wanted to take on a precontest Arnold ( wow thats fair ) Sergio was invited by Joe to face Arnold at the Olympia HE DECLINED

Franco accepted Sergio's challenge and the two went head-to-head the promoter of the contest declared it a TIE the best he could manage was a tie with Franco and he's supposed to beat Arnold ? HA wishfull thinking

ND leaves out the fact that he's been completely unable to explain Columbu's win over Padilla by any standard of fair judging. Self-ownage at it's best. ;

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND leaves out the fact that he's been completely unable to explain Columbu's win over Padilla by any standard of fair judging-self-ownage at it's best. She's good at that.

Oh please and you leave out the fact you cannot explain Ronnie's win in 2001 , again when it the guy you want to win there are no politics ( 2001 ) and when its someone you don't want to win ( anyone white ) its politics

1981 was a shame and I don't think Franco should have won , do I think it was fixed? NO 2001 was a joke and  I think Jay could have won do I think it was fixed? NO

stop using default excuses

[pumpster]

If Sergio was not allowed to enter the Mr. International they would have allowed him into the Mr. Olympia a few weeks later ?
That does not sound very logical to me. Regarding the chance at the Olympia Sergio was already of the opinion that he lost unfairly to Arnold the year before so he would probably not have thought to get a fair shake anyway.

Anyway, I choose not to believe in uncle Joe's article and would like to read something about the contest frompreferably a non-Weider magazine.

Of course Oliva knew he wouldn't get a fair shot, thus he didn't compete in the show again until the 80s, just as Nubret later stayed away.

Hard to believe that some here actually believe Weider's brainwashing.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Of course Oliva knew he wouldn't get a fair shot, thus he didn't compete in the show again until the 80s, just as Nubret later stayed away.

Hard to believe that some here actually believe Weider's brainwashing.

And Oliva bitched about his placings in 84/85 as well it goes to show you where his mentality is at , he was gifted his placings in the 80s

if politics were involved like you claimed Arnold would have NOT lost to Sergio in 1969 so much for your theory

[IceCold]

Translated: I'm a skinhead, he's not white.

translated:  i'm black and here is my race card.  if anyone disagrees with me and my racist point of views, they must be white and a skin head. 

[IceCold]

Of course Oliva knew he wouldn't get a fair shot, thus he didn't compete in the show again until the 80s, just as Nubret later stayed away.

Hard to believe that some here actually believe Weider's brainwashing.

like when haney and ronnie we winning....

[growth]

Hey someone who gets it !

Presentation was even more important. Worst thing about Sergio was that he hardly ever flexed his whole body and especially his legs were unflexed most of the time, in the 72 Olympia he was very conditioned not only by his standards but there is hardly one pic from that contest where this can be seen. In comparison Arnold was always flexed from top to bottom. Arnold said himself in an interview in the 70ies that presentation was what held Sergio back the most, also Serge Nubret. Sergio did not even get the posing oil right most of the time !

Apart from that imo Sergio did not really have the persona and marketability to be chosen over Arnold in a narrow decision from 1970 on and that's another reason why he did not win the 1972 Olympia where it seemed that even Arnold himself lacked his usual confidence next to Sergio, very easy to see on the video. The Olympia from then on was always about dinasties and I think nobody can deny this. Not about black or white, but consistency in who is the top man in the sport and about the image he projects. So as long as the the top man returns the next year with decent conditioning and shape (an lately at some points not even that) the title is usually his.