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Chernobyl Survivors
« on: March 17, 2011, 08:11:47 AM »
While many are driving themselves insane in worry over an imaginary nuclear scenario occurring in america because of the nuclear reactors in Japan...I found this article/pictures of people who not only survived CHERNOBYL, but never moved away from the time of the reactor meltdown. They did not grow a third eye, they did not all suffer dire consequences...as a matter of fact they are thriving in that region of the Ukraine where the reactor melted down. Now there we re some cases of cancers etc from those who worked directly in the reactors and in clean up, but for the most part they are all alright. Now I bring this up because all of the silly overreacting in america over a supposed radiation cloud is nothing more than a attempt to sell Iodine, radiation detectors and promote fear (something america is an expert at). If these people and the Europeans were mildly effected being so close to the melted down reaactor...why the hell are you (being 6000 miles away minimum) carrying on as you are? I could see if your own reactors (which you have many) blew up...then yeah you should/would have concerns. Otherwise it is hype.

http://motherjones.com/photoessays/2010/05/after-chernobyl
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 09:09:33 AM »
Viktor and Lydia Gaidak sit in their apartment in Desnyanskiy district at the outskirts of Kyiv. Viktor Gaidak worked for 24 years as an engineer at the Chernobyl plant, including nine years after the 1986 accident. In 2004, he had surgery for colon cancer.

Today, nearly half the 49,360 evacuees from Pripyat live in Troeshchina, a new neighborhood at the edge of Kyiv, Ukraine, where they face health problems, unemployment, crowded apartments and insufficient government support.

“When I was sick with cancer, we sold our car to pay for the surgery. We sold our TV, we sold our refrigerator, jewelry, everything we could. Now my wife Lydia has cancer and there's nothing left to sell.” —Viktor Gaidak, Chernobyl engineer

For more on Michael Forster Rothbart's After Chernobyl project, including an audio narration of the photos, check out afterchernobyl.com.

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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 09:10:27 AM »
After Vasily Oleksandrovich’s wife Natasha died in January 2007, he had her face tattooed on his shoulder as a personal memorial. She died from cancer after a long illness, a few days after her 46th birthday. He now lives alone, farming a small plot of land on the outskirts of Ivankiv, the closest inhabited city to the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.

“I was born here and I'll die here. I already want to die. Forgive me, I'm drunk. I drink a lot now. We only have what God gives us: our health, our place, our friends.” —Vasily Oleksandrovich, farmer


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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 09:14:33 AM »
Meh, if radiation offers no harm why have the workers pass through a radiation checkpoint?  Better to be safe than sorry.


On the night of April 26, 1986, a reactor exploded during a late-night safety test at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in what is now Ukraine. Radiation from the accident covered nearby towns and sent radioactive particles around the world. Pripyat, a nearby village, was permanently evacuated, along with every human within 30 kilometers of the Chernobyl plant.

Although the plant stopped generating electricity in 2000, 3,800 employees continue to work at the plant in 2010. They commute from the new city of Slavutych (population 24,300), which was built after the accident to replace Pripyat. Workers must pass through a radiation checkpoint each day before they board the train home.

http://motherjones.com/photoessays/2010/05/after-chernobyl/01#


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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 09:56:36 AM »
Meh, if radiation offers no harm why have the workers pass through a radiation checkpoint?  Better to be safe than sorry.


On the night of April 26, 1986, a reactor exploded during a late-night safety test at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in what is now Ukraine. Radiation from the accident covered nearby towns and sent radioactive particles around the world. Pripyat, a nearby village, was permanently evacuated, along with every human within 30 kilometers of the Chernobyl plant.

Although the plant stopped generating electricity in 2000, 3,800 employees continue to work at the plant in 2010. They commute from the new city of Slavutych (population 24,300), which was built after the accident to replace Pripyat. Workers must pass through a radiation checkpoint each day before they board the train home.

http://motherjones.com/photoessays/2010/05/after-chernobyl/01#



No one said radiation is HARMLESS and protocol must be followed in regards to those who work at these plants. The radiation detection scanners they must pass through is done daily to make sure they have not exposed themselves to the nuclear material they are working with. It also alerts the plant if there may be a small leak somewhere in the plant if only one or two people test positive. If one of the employees tests positive the area he works in will be quarantined and checked out for leaks that caused the exposure. If there are no leaks, the person will be questioned about there whereabouts in the plant and what they have handled until a reason is found for their exposure. Decontamination is rather harsh as you are scrubbed vigorously with scouring type pads to remove the radiation from your skin. If you inhaled the radiation whether you will suffer consequences will depend on the amount inhaled.

Nonetheless the point of this post is to make people aware that the danger they imagine is way overblown....
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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 11:55:29 AM »
I have been on the waiting for two years for a depth permit to tour Pripyat and Chernobyl.  They offer limited tours (busload type), but then there are depth tours where it is just you and a escort with a radiation meter for 3 days (not inside the area, you overnight the safe zone).  But they fill up quick and I have been waiting (hoping) for a future cancellation that will get me in faster.

You can see a lot of images, details, etc.. at the site

http://kiddofspeed.com/

Although there is/has been controversy over the site and the girl for lifting pics that belong to other people and sources, you still get a good idea what the area is like and what happened there.

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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 12:02:18 PM »
I have been on the waiting for two years for a depth permit to tour Pripyat and Chernobyl.  They offer limited tours (busload type), but then there are depth tours where it is just you and a escort with a radiation meter for 3 days (not inside the area, you overnight the safe zone).  But they fill up quick and I have been waiting (hoping) for a future cancellation that will get me in faster.

You can see a lot of images, details, etc.. at the site

http://kiddofspeed.com/

Although there is/has been controversy over the site and the girl for lifting pics that belong to other people and sources, you still get a good idea what the area is like and what happened there.

This is from another site may want to read this before you go    ;D

I can't claim past or current participation - or even participation envy - regarding most of the stuff you ground pounders discuss, but on this one I may be one of our only members who can literally say, in this case, BTDT. Based on that, there's no way you or anyone is dragging me back to that place, even with a trackhoe and anchor chain. I'd say no way in hell, except that place is about as close to hell as I've ever been. I'd say no way on God's green earth, but that doesn't really apply there, either.

However, if you insist on going, here are a few tourist tips:
1. Don't drink the water.
2. Don't even touch the water.
3. Don't touch anything that has moss, ivy, or lichen growing on it.
4. Don't touch anything that lives in/on or eats moss, ivy, or lichen.
5. If you messed up with items 1 though 4, wash with luke warm water and soap, not using any of the local water.
6. Bring your own bottled water and liquid hand soap.
7. The big game hunting for bear, elk, and boar may be fun, but you don't want to eat anything that lives there.
8. Beware of the wild boars. Seriously. They are not scared of you, they will eat almost anything including your carcass, they don't mind making you into an edible carcass, and they are uniformly radioactive to mind-boggling levels so that just getting nuzzled by a friendly one (if they exist) is still very bad.
9. Stay far away from the giant field full of hundreds of abandoned trucks and helicopters. The one eyed snaggle toothed thieves there are even more dangerous than the radiationthere , and that's saying something.
10. Beware of anyone you meet in the dead zone away from the power plant, regardless of whether they have a uniform. If possible, go armed.
11. The hospitality of the elderly locals may be genuine, but it may also require you to touch or consume things you shouldn't.
12. The hospitality of the not so elderly locals should always set off your danger alarm. They didn't bother building cell phone towers there, and there is nobody to hear you scream.
13. Everybody wants to go to Pripyat and have their picture taken at the old amusement park. Watch out for stupid discarded crap there, like dirty needles and used condoms. If it looks like a cool spot for a picture, a thousand scumbags have preceded you there. Again, beware of moss, ivy, and inside the buildings especially watch out for mold.
14. Stay away from rusty metal if you can because it is more likely to be radioactive. Nevermind, you can't. It's all rusty.
15. Bring a few of bottles of vodka. It might as well be legal tender when dealing with the local security people. For best results offer to share the bottle with them instead of just handing it over, which might actually offend them.

If for some stupid reason you must actually visit the powerplant:
16. Unit 3 looks just like Unit 4 did, except backwards. Go there for the "before" look. If possible, leave then, quickly.
17. Do not go into Unit 4 if you can avoid it. In fact, don't go there unless you are being actively chased by a radioactive wild boar.
18. If you managed to screw up #17, stay away from anything that looks like a chunk of concrete with rebar sticking out.
19. If you managed to screw up #18, kick what looks like concrete. If it doesn't move easily, resume breathing. If it does move easily, it is actually radioactive graphite from the core, and you might as well go ahead and start making those final arrangements. The concrete and graphite chunks are both in great abundance and they look very similar in poor lighting.
20. About that poor lighting - bring multiple sources of light. You don't want to be there in the dark, and it will always be dark in the one spot where you need to see.
21. Disregard anything resembling maps of the inside of the building. The original building plans went out the window with the explosion, which relocated walls, stairs, rooms, plumbing, etc. The maps made since then are highly undependable and were in some cases made by people sitting outside in a nice warm truck with a pencil, the back of a C ration box, and an active imagination.
22. Don't let anything drip on you. It will happen anyway, but try to minimize it. For that reason, be sure to have at least one layer of disposable clothing on the outside of whatever else you are wearing. Something waterproof would be best, along with waterproof boots you won't mind throwing away.
23. Don't get sucked into the coolness of visiting the elephant's foot. Remember that part about radiation being colorless, odorless, and tasteless? Well, it's different way down there. You can smell the ozone in the air, like before a lightning storm. It's caused by the gamma rays ionizing the atmosphere, which causes a cascade of beta rays from the air. You can even taste the radioactive air on your tongue, sort of like sucking on a penny. If you can smell and taste the ionized air, you can run away, but you may have already been there too long. If you want to see the elephant's foot, do a Google image search, but for pete's sake don't go down there.
24. In the turbine hall, stay off the catwalks, away from anyplace with ceiling leakage, and out of the lower levels. That's more of a safety issue than a radiation issue, but any twisted ankle that slows you down leaves you in the radiation field longer.
25. If you managed to screw up #24, have a good first aid kit with you. Again, there is no 9-1-1 and nobody to hear you scream. Nobody, that is, that you want to hear you scream.
26. Photographic film might get exposed inside its canister by the radiation, so you are better off with a digital camera. However, in the nastier places (such as the elephant's foot) the fields are intense enough to screw up microchips, so don't take anything electronic unless it is military grade EMP resistant. For the same reason, anything with a magnetic bar code on it (like perhaps your American drivers license) shouldn't go into those areas, so ensure that you have some other means of corpse identification on you.

Happy hunting, boys and girls! I'll await your after action report on the elk you shot there, how beautiful its rack was, the condition of its teeth, and how many tumors you found inside what you had hoped to eat.
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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 12:15:20 PM »
You know the application I had to fill out contained a Consent/Release form that was 28 pages long where I had to sign and initial at a dozen times on each page in various spots and had to submit a health clearance form and family history background check to make sure no one in my family was diagnosed with any form of cancer.

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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2011, 12:39:36 PM »
You know the application I had to fill out contained a Consent/Release form that was 28 pages long where I had to sign and initial at a dozen times on each page in various spots and had to submit a health clearance form and family history background check to make sure no one in my family was diagnosed with any form of cancer.

Don't see the fascination with seeing Chernobly, but to each his own
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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2011, 12:44:22 PM »
This is from another site may want to read this before you go    ;D

I can't claim past or current participation - or even participation envy - regarding most of the stuff you ground pounders discuss, but on this one I may be one of our only members who can literally say, in this case, BTDT. Based on that, there's no way you or anyone is dragging me back to that place, even with a trackhoe and anchor chain. I'd say no way in hell, except that place is about as close to hell as I've ever been. I'd say no way on God's green earth, but that doesn't really apply there, either.

However, if you insist on going, here are a few tourist tips:
1. Don't drink the water.
2. Don't even touch the water.
3. Don't touch anything that has moss, ivy, or lichen growing on it.
4. Don't touch anything that lives in/on or eats moss, ivy, or lichen.
5. If you messed up with items 1 though 4, wash with luke warm water and soap, not using any of the local water.
6. Bring your own bottled water and liquid hand soap.
7. The big game hunting for bear, elk, and boar may be fun, but you don't want to eat anything that lives there.
8. Beware of the wild boars. Seriously. They are not scared of you, they will eat almost anything including your carcass, they don't mind making you into an edible carcass, and they are uniformly radioactive to mind-boggling levels so that just getting nuzzled by a friendly one (if they exist) is still very bad.
9. Stay far away from the giant field full of hundreds of abandoned trucks and helicopters. The one eyed snaggle toothed thieves there are even more dangerous than the radiationthere , and that's saying something.
10. Beware of anyone you meet in the dead zone away from the power plant, regardless of whether they have a uniform. If possible, go armed.
11. The hospitality of the elderly locals may be genuine, but it may also require you to touch or consume things you shouldn't.
12. The hospitality of the not so elderly locals should always set off your danger alarm. They didn't bother building cell phone towers there, and there is nobody to hear you scream.
13. Everybody wants to go to Pripyat and have their picture taken at the old amusement park. Watch out for stupid discarded crap there, like dirty needles and used condoms. If it looks like a cool spot for a picture, a thousand scumbags have preceded you there. Again, beware of moss, ivy, and inside the buildings especially watch out for mold.
14. Stay away from rusty metal if you can because it is more likely to be radioactive. Nevermind, you can't. It's all rusty.
15. Bring a few of bottles of vodka. It might as well be legal tender when dealing with the local security people. For best results offer to share the bottle with them instead of just handing it over, which might actually offend them.

If for some stupid reason you must actually visit the powerplant:
16. Unit 3 looks just like Unit 4 did, except backwards. Go there for the "before" look. If possible, leave then, quickly.
17. Do not go into Unit 4 if you can avoid it. In fact, don't go there unless you are being actively chased by a radioactive wild boar.
18. If you managed to screw up #17, stay away from anything that looks like a chunk of concrete with rebar sticking out.
19. If you managed to screw up #18, kick what looks like concrete. If it doesn't move easily, resume breathing. If it does move easily, it is actually radioactive graphite from the core, and you might as well go ahead and start making those final arrangements. The concrete and graphite chunks are both in great abundance and they look very similar in poor lighting.
20. About that poor lighting - bring multiple sources of light. You don't want to be there in the dark, and it will always be dark in the one spot where you need to see.
21. Disregard anything resembling maps of the inside of the building. The original building plans went out the window with the explosion, which relocated walls, stairs, rooms, plumbing, etc. The maps made since then are highly undependable and were in some cases made by people sitting outside in a nice warm truck with a pencil, the back of a C ration box, and an active imagination.
22. Don't let anything drip on you. It will happen anyway, but try to minimize it. For that reason, be sure to have at least one layer of disposable clothing on the outside of whatever else you are wearing. Something waterproof would be best, along with waterproof boots you won't mind throwing away.
23. Don't get sucked into the coolness of visiting the elephant's foot. Remember that part about radiation being colorless, odorless, and tasteless? Well, it's different way down there. You can smell the ozone in the air, like before a lightning storm. It's caused by the gamma rays ionizing the atmosphere, which causes a cascade of beta rays from the air. You can even taste the radioactive air on your tongue, sort of like sucking on a penny. If you can smell and taste the ionized air, you can run away, but you may have already been there too long. If you want to see the elephant's foot, do a Google image search, but for pete's sake don't go down there.
24. In the turbine hall, stay off the catwalks, away from anyplace with ceiling leakage, and out of the lower levels. That's more of a safety issue than a radiation issue, but any twisted ankle that slows you down leaves you in the radiation field longer.
25. If you managed to screw up #24, have a good first aid kit with you. Again, there is no 9-1-1 and nobody to hear you scream. Nobody, that is, that you want to hear you scream.
26. Photographic film might get exposed inside its canister by the radiation, so you are better off with a digital camera. However, in the nastier places (such as the elephant's foot) the fields are intense enough to screw up microchips, so don't take anything electronic unless it is military grade EMP resistant. For the same reason, anything with a magnetic bar code on it (like perhaps your American drivers license) shouldn't go into those areas, so ensure that you have some other means of corpse identification on you.

Happy hunting, boys and girls! I'll await your after action report on the elk you shot there, how beautiful its rack was, the condition of its teeth, and how many tumors you found inside what you had hoped to eat.

This reads like a script from a HORROR MOVIE.....

Only thing missing is "DON'T TURN OFF THE LIGHTS, DON'T GO IN THE BASEMENT AND WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T GO IN THE WOODS AND PRAY THE SUN COMES UP EARLY!!!!!
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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2011, 12:46:07 PM »
This reads like a script from a HORROR MOVIE.....

Only thing missing is "DON'T TURN OFF THE LIGHTS, DON'T GO IN THE BASEMENT AND WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T GO IN THE WOODS AND PRAY THE SUN COMES UP EARLY!!!!!

Tell you what you go there and give us a report, as the person that wrote this was actually involved
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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2011, 12:49:29 PM »
Tell you what you go there and give us a report, as the person that wrote this was actually involved

I am not doubting what was said in your post...I just find it funny adn movie script like..that's why I said it reads like a horror movie script. I forgot to add in my post that all that is needed is the Zombies in Night Of THe Living Dead to be there as well.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2011, 09:33:13 AM »
Don't see the fascination with seeing Chernobly, but to each his own

From my end, a photography standpoint.  Which is why I have been waiting for the more in depth tour.  The regular one is typical busload tourists.  But you can arrange to be in dead area as early as 6am.  Which when doing photography, the best light is very early morning or very late evening.  With just one other person, you can also venture into areas that they normally will not take a group. 

Just one more thing to add in my portfolio for on down the road.

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2011, 10:57:41 AM »
From my end, a photography standpoint.  Which is why I have been waiting for the more in depth tour.  The regular one is typical busload tourists.  But you can arrange to be in dead area as early as 6am.  Which when doing photography, the best light is very early morning or very late evening.  With just one other person, you can also venture into areas that they normally will not take a group. 

Just one more thing to add in my portfolio for on down the road.

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2011, 11:09:32 AM »
Well that is the point of having the escort with you, since he is better at understanding the risks and such than the average person.

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Re: Chernobyl Survivors
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2011, 01:50:20 PM »
Well that is the point of having the escort with you, since he is better at understanding the risks and such than the average person.

Hell if you do go post some pictures up, would be interested to see them
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2011, 02:05:00 PM »
I bet girls in radiation areas are total freaks and pretty slutty.

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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2011, 02:20:07 PM »
I bet girls in radiation areas are total freaks and pretty slutty.

Would you stick your cock in some radiated vag? 

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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2011, 02:25:57 PM »
Would you stick your cock in some radiated vag? 

I think I might.  My glow-in-the-dark junk would be all the buzz.

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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2011, 02:37:19 PM »
you didn't see the videos, girls gone chernobyl  ;D

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2011, 01:35:02 PM »
I saw this on the ny times online:

ON THIS DAY
On April 26, 1986, the world's worst nuclear accident occurred at the Chernobyl plant in the Soviet Union. An explosion and fire in the No. 4 reactor sent radioactivity into the atmosphere; at least 31 Soviets died immediately.

The documentary is on youtube:

Part 1: