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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2011, 10:57:25 AM »
Find a steep incline or very large hill on the road and run up it as fast as possibly can around 30 times.

Then when you are finished with that, map out a course of around 5-10 miles and run it without ever slowing to a walk.

Do this 5 days a week at the very minimum.  This is what my average cross-country, track practice looked like and our team was unstoppable.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2011, 11:01:50 AM »
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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2011, 11:02:09 AM »
Find a steep incline or very large hill on the road and run up it as fast as possibly can around 30 times.

Then when you are finished with that, map out a course of around 5-10 miles and run it without ever slowing to a walk.

Do this 5 days a week at the very minimum.  This is what my average cross-country, track practice looked like and our team was unstoppable.

that's how I started. Run one mile then walk for one minute, then run another mile. Next thing I knew, I wasn't stopping

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2011, 11:12:41 AM »
fuck my legs really need those workouts haha

oh well, fuck the legs then :s

I'll train them once every 10-15 days to make them stay the same size at least  :-\
If you are really serious about getting better as a runner, you need to only do a couple sets high rep leg ext, leg curl and leg press once per week.
I would also advise you doing a 10 sec toe touch stretch after every mile when you do your runs.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2011, 11:57:56 AM »
Try not eating carbs before you run, although this is the opposite of what you should do for running, but it may stop the your legs from getting pumped. No such thing as being to big to run, I'm 5'9 and last competed at over 200 lb and 6 months later  i ran a marathon, took my over 4 hours, ;D lol.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2011, 02:38:52 PM »
Try not eating carbs before you run, although this is the opposite of what you should do for running, but it may stop the your legs from getting pumped. No such thing as being to big to run, I'm 5'9 and last competed at over 200 lb and 6 months later  i ran a marathon, took my over 4 hours, ;D lol.

better than the 2 full marathons I did go good onya

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2011, 03:05:04 PM »
that's how I started. Run Talk one mile hour then walk silence for one minute, then run talk another mile hour. Next thing I knew, I wasn't stopping

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2011, 03:09:18 PM »
Try not eating carbs before you run, although this is the opposite of what you should do for running, but it may stop the your legs from getting pumped. No such thing as being to big to run, I'm 5'9 and last competed at over 200 lb and 6 months later  i ran a marathon, took my over 4 hours, ;D lol.
I ran one back in 1979 and 190 lbs, 4hr 11 min and it damn near killed me.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2011, 03:22:02 PM »
notice how all of the responses are off the mark in this thread

stavios said , he cramps the fuck up when he tries to run

his sodium/potassium exchange rate is all fucked because of his workout "stack"
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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2011, 03:24:31 PM »
stretch like a girl before you run and go through the pain barrier.

harden up pansy
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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2011, 03:26:00 PM »
a "natural" doesnt get super pumps and cramps when runing , maybe stavois should be a farmer instead of a "supplement" whore
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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2011, 03:27:32 PM »
a "natural" doesnt get super pumps and cramps when runing , maybe stavois should be a farmer instead of a "supplement" whore
Maybe some apple cider vinegar would help him as well?

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2011, 03:27:40 PM »
this is what we use to run any distance.  it's called 'pose' running.  works wonders for bber types who don't normally run and have more explosive strength than endurance.





As an experienced runner/sprinter.... this is just awful.  If you are looking for a way to destroy your joints, look to this video.  There are not many things that make me cringe quite like a runner who let's their feet strike far out in front of them. hips, knees, back...done.  people have no idea how to run.

You want to get decent at running?  Do this:

Get on a treadmill.  Incline at 2.0

week 1:

you have 4, 10 minute segments

segments are: walk for 5 minutes (3.5), run for 1 (6.0), walk for 3 minutes, run for 1

week 2
walk for 4 minutes, run for 2, walk for 2 minutes, run for 2 minutes

week three:
walk for three minutes, run for... and all of a sudden, you'll get to three minutes and be able to keep going. after that, its up to you to decide how long you can go.  I've introduced this to many people, and they have seen great results.

Pretty soon it will be like this:

walk for 2 minutes, jog for 6 minutes, sprint for 2 minutes, jog for 2 minutes, walk for 2 minutes, jog for 4, sprint for 2... 20 minutes segments.

then, get onto a track and do 400m repeats. you just gotta train your body to run.  

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2011, 03:28:26 PM »
notice how all of the responses are off the mark in this thread

stavios said , he cramps the fuck up when he tries to run

his sodium/potassium exchange rate is all fucked because of his workout "stack"

so what do you suggest? Espresso? Dock, Chard, Spinach?

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2011, 06:00:21 PM »
As an experienced runner/sprinter.... this is just awful.  If you are looking for a way to destroy your joints, look to this video.  There are not many things that make me cringe quite like a runner who let's their feet strike far out in front of them. hips, knees, back...done.  people have no idea how to run.

You want to get decent at running?  Do this:

Get on a treadmill.  Incline at 2.0

week 1:

you have 4, 10 minute segments

segments are: walk for 5 minutes (3.5), run for 1 (6.0), walk for 3 minutes, run for 1

week 2
walk for 4 minutes, run for 2, walk for 2 minutes, run for 2 minutes

week three:
walk for three minutes, run for... and all of a sudden, you'll get to three minutes and be able to keep going. after that, its up to you to decide how long you can go.  I've introduced this to many people, and they have seen great results.

Pretty soon it will be like this:

walk for 2 minutes, jog for 6 minutes, sprint for 2 minutes, jog for 2 minutes, walk for 2 minutes, jog for 4, sprint for 2... 20 minutes segments.

then, get onto a track and do 400m repeats. you just gotta train your body to run.  

wtf are you talking about?  this is the HEALTHIEST way to run by far.  im not a big runner and i had to hear about it from all the spec ops guys training to avoid injury, save energy, and still run 5-10 miles per day.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2011, 08:12:57 PM »
-No weights at all, none.

-Run or walk every single day.

-Calories down to a max of 2,500 per day.

-Shoes, buy the best shoes and socks you can afford.

-Lose the bodybuilder/alpha male gait.

-Supple. Supple. Supple.

-I disagree with any treadmill work. Get outside and run/walk/jog. I've never known a single winning runner who did any real training on a treadmill. Go outside and run.

-Run.
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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2011, 08:43:12 PM »
Maybe some apple cider vinegar would help him as well?
nah the kid is overloaded , his body is out of balnce. his muscles cant handle the force that hes puttin to it. his supplement stack is too strong for his body to run without cramping. like puttig too much oil in a car it will get a cramp and stop running
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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2011, 09:23:01 PM »
-No weights at all, none.

-Run or walk every single day.

-Calories down to a max of 2,500 per day.

-Shoes, buy the best shoes and socks you can afford.

-Lose the bodybuilder/alpha male gait.

-Supple. Supple. Supple.

-I disagree with any treadmill work. Get outside and run/walk/jog. I've never known a single winning runner who did any real training on a treadmill. Go outside and run.

-Run.

In a perfect world, no one would need to use a treadmill, however, it is lighter impact on the joints, which might be a cause of his cramping.  putting an incline, slightly, on a treadmill will make it as close to running on real ground as possible.

But obviously, running on real turf would be the end result.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2011, 09:41:15 PM »
Running on asphalt in thick shoes is like wearing a rubber to jack off.  Run on trails with the thinnest shoes and stop heel striking and you'll never get hurt, unless you're eaten by a bear.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2011, 05:11:18 AM »
http://running.about.com/od/racetraining/a/10Kbeginner.htm

That's a good way to train actually.

Also, read this stavios. I know it's about marathons, but some good insights

Become A Faster Miler To Become A Faster Marathoner
Updated: May 16th 2011 3:02 PM UTC by Matt Fitzgerald


Training for shorter distances such as the mile will ultimately have a positive effect on Ryan Hall's marathon performances. Photo: Bob Betancourt

Have you allowed yourself to become a “one-gear runner”?

Written by: Matt Fitzgerald

Ryan Hall, who became the fastest American marathoner in history last month, running 2:04:58 in Boston, will compete in the USA 1 Mile Road Championships in Minneapolis today. Hall says he’s doing so on the advice of Rod Dixon, a New Zealander who achieved rare success in both the mile and the marathon, winning a bronze medal at 1500 meters in the 1972 Olympics and winning the New York City Marathon 11 years later.

Hall says he’s running the mile in Minneapolis and probably a few more mile races in the near future because, as a college miler at Stanford, he dreamed of breaking four minutes in the event, and still does. But he’s also doing it because, as Dixon suggested to him, becoming a faster miler will make him a faster marathoner.

How, specifically? “Answering surges, running faster times,” Hall told the Minneapolis Star Tribune. “Probably all the guys who beat me in Boston were in better mile shape than I was.”

Are Dixon and Hall right about this? Only time will tell, but probably so. Marathon training tends to diminish middle-distance racing performance capacity. In other words, as a runner’s marathon performance capacity improves through endurance-focused training, his mile performance capacity slips as a consequence of a necessary deemphasis of speed training. This is unavoidable to some degree. While running is running, the mile and the marathon are different enough that no single runner can be optimally trained for both distances simultaneously. If you’re in shape to run your best marathon, you are almost by definition not in shape to run your best mile, and vice versa.

However, marathon runners commonly give up a little too much speed or anaerobic capacity in their training. Many experienced marathoners are familiar with the experience of becoming “one-gear runners” as they near peak marathon fitness. They can sustain an 85 percent effort seemingly forever, but as soon as they try to run faster, they fall off a cliff. You see the one-gear runner phenomenon manifest oftentimes when marathoners run shorter tune-up races ahead of a marathon and find themselves able to run only marginally faster than their marathon pace over those shorter distances.

Hall has done just that a few times. For example, in 2007, he ran the U.S. Outdoor Track and Field Championships 10,000 meters, finishing 7th with a time of 28:51.  That’s 4:38 per mile, or just marginally faster than the pace he was capable of sustaining for another 20 miles a few months later, when he won the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials in 2:09:02.

Given his success at the marathon distance, it’s impossible to argue that Hall hasn’t trained right for the event. But, as he looks for ways to take his marathon performance even higher, Hall seems to have identified the “one-gear” phenomenon as a limiting factor that he would like to address.

But if it’s impossible to be in peak mile shape and peak marathon shape simultaneously, how is one supposed to become a better marathoner by becoming a better miler? The answer that many runners have found is to focus on training for shorter races (usually the 5K and 10K, not the mile) during the first part of a marathon buildup, and then use the second part to layer endurance on top of the speed developed in the first part. Some speed will still be sacrificed after that pivot occurs, but if done right, this approach will allow the runner to arrive on the start line with all the endurance he needs to go the distance plus an extra gear that could make the difference between an average finish time and a PR.

A number of noteworthy runners have used this approach with success lately, including Kara Goucher and Shalane Flanagan. In 2008, Goucher ran her debut marathon in New York just a couple of months after running the 5,000m and the 10,000m in the Beijing Olympics. The result was an American debut marathon record. Flanagan made her marathon debut in New York last year after a successful track season, which she credited for setting her up for her second-place finish in Central Park.

Hall is now looking to do something  similar. As a fan, I’m happy to see it. Not only is there a good chance that focusing on shorter races this summer will help him run better marathons in January’s Olympic Trials and next summer’s Olympics, but I expect that, if all goes well, Hall will turn in some great performances in those shorter races.

Age-group marathoners are even more prone than elites to give up too much speed in preparing for marathons. So, regardless of how Hall fares today in his first mile races in five years, take a cue from him and spend some time getting fast for short races before you build endurance for your next marathon.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2011, 05:45:16 AM »
-No weights at all, none.

-Run or walk every single day.

-Calories down to a max of 2,500 per day.

-Shoes, buy the best shoes and socks you can afford.

-Lose the bodybuilder/alpha male gait.

-Supple. Supple. Supple.

-I disagree with any treadmill work. Get outside and run/walk/jog. I've never known a single winning runner who did any real training on a treadmill. Go outside and run.
-Run.

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treadmills are not the same as going for a run

Running on asphalt in thick shoes is like wearing a rubber to jack off.  Run on trails with the thinnest shoes and stop heel striking and you'll never get hurt, unless you're eaten by a bear.

haha

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2011, 05:48:59 AM »
-No weights at all, none.

-Run or walk every single day.

-Calories down to a max of 2,500 per day.

-Shoes, buy the best shoes and socks you can afford.

-Lose the bodybuilder/alpha male gait.

-Supple. Supple. Supple.

-I disagree with any treadmill work. Get outside and run/walk/jog. I've never known a single winning runner who did any real training on a treadmill. Go outside and run.

-Run.

Well, it's hard to train in the winter  months with feets of snow on the ground for a marathon at the end of February.

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2011, 06:22:35 AM »
As an experienced runner/sprinter.... this is just awful.  If you are looking for a way to destroy your joints, look to this video.  There are not many things that make me cringe quite like a runner who let's their feet strike far out in front of them. hips, knees, back...done.  people have no idea how to run.

You want to get decent at running?  Do this:

Get on a treadmill.  Incline at 2.0

week 1:

you have 4, 10 minute segments

segments are: walk for 5 minutes (3.5), run for 1 (6.0), walk for 3 minutes, run for 1

week 2
walk for 4 minutes, run for 2, walk for 2 minutes, run for 2 minutes

week three:
walk for three minutes, run for... and all of a sudden, you'll get to three minutes and be able to keep going. after that, its up to you to decide how long you can go.  I've introduced this to many people, and they have seen great results.

Pretty soon it will be like this:

walk for 2 minutes, jog for 6 minutes, sprint for 2 minutes, jog for 2 minutes, walk for 2 minutes, jog for 4, sprint for 2... 20 minutes segments.

then, get onto a track and do 400m repeats. you just gotta train your body to run.  
Pretty good post and program

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Re: I need trick from experienced runners
« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2011, 07:12:44 AM »
I need to go from  the shittiest cardio ever to being able to run 9 kilometers in the least amount of time.

fuck my life

when I try to run my hamstrings and glutes gets so fucking pumped than it makes it impossible to run for a long amount of time

any tips ?
I think I will have to lose some weight maybe too :s


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