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I wake up and read my repub friends, outraged by the news story that obama to cut military-style equipment being sent to american police forces. They are angry because Obama's name is on it. They are arguing for the opposite of whatever obama says, which in this case... they suddenly support arming their local police dept with MORE tanks and other military weapons, not less.
This is a brilliant political move, you have to admit it. Obama obviously loves a country where he has more power, more control, and a greater ability to crush the @#^@#(* out of anyone that protests his power. And now, the repubs are supporting, yes SUPPORTING, obama sending MORE military grade weapons and gear to local police. And when Hilary steals the election in a year, and Repubs are on the street screaming about the injustice of it, maybe they'll recognize the irony when they're being pummeled with military-grade police weaponry they insisted on back in 2015. :-\
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Obama limiting military hardware to police departments
Obama limiting military hardware to police departments
By Jordan Fabian
Local departments will be banned from acquiring grenade launchers, tracked armored vehicles.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/242346-obama-limiting-military-hardware-to-police-departments
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FOX NEWS doing everything they can to tie this story to Ferguson:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/18/obama-announces-restrictions-on-distribution-military-style-equipment-to-police/
Obama is no longer using federal dollars to send serious military hardware to police departments. This should be a VICTORY. I can't wait for Rush's show today, where he tries to tell us how the local police needs grenades...
Repubs are outraged. Repubs on getbig are silent, hmmm, maybe they agree with obama on just this one thing?
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FOX NEWS doing everything they can to tie this story to Ferguson:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/18/obama-announces-restrictions-on-distribution-military-style-equipment-to-police/
Obama is no longer using federal dollars to send serious military hardware to police departments. This should be a VICTORY. I can't wait for Rush's show today, where he tries to tell us how the local police needs grenades...
Repubs are outraged. Repubs on getbig are silent, hmmm, maybe they agree with obama on just this one thing?
They're waiting for Rupert Murdoch to tell them what to think.
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They're waiting for Rupert Murdoch to tell them what to think.
i love issues like this... i find them to be politically fascinating.
Let's look at TWO core tenets of conservatism... small govt/local LEO, and minimal spending.
Obama is satisfying BOTH of these. Spending less federal $, and staying the heck out of local law enforcement.
Well, Rush Limbaugh is starting his show.... talking about the Mad Men finale instead. It must be more important than say, the militarization of the American police force lol...
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i love issues like this... i find them to be politically fascinating.
Let's look at TWO core tenets of conservatism... small govt/local LEO, and minimal spending.
Obama is satisfying BOTH of these. Spending less federal $, and staying the heck out of local law enforcement.
Well, Rush Limbaugh is starting his show.... talking about the Mad Men finale instead. It must be more important than say, the militarization of the American police force lol...
I've been meaning to make a thread to try and figure out where people stand on the practical differences between "conservative" and "liberal". The terms get thrown-around as though we're all supposed to be on the same page with the meanings, but I suspect no one really knows.
Fact is, we're being conned by super-criminals and the media is up to its tits. So any true division is going to be between those criminals and the rest of us. That's what I say.
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I've been meaning to make a thread to try and figure out where people stand on the practical differences between "conservative" and "liberal". The terms get thrown-around as though we're all supposed to be on the same page with the meanings, but I suspect no one really knows.
Fact is, we're being conned by super-criminals and the media is up to its tits. So any true division is going to be between those criminals and the rest of us. That's what I say.
Media, pundits have painted libs/rioters/anti-police with the same brush. Therefore, they feel a new need to defend HUGE police growth, to shit all over any kind of peaceful protest, and to laugh/justify every time the police beat the shit out of an unarmed man or shoot them in the back.
This thread is perfect proof. 55 views and not one comment. They can't agree with obama, but in their bones, it feels weird saying "yes, we should give grenades and tanks to local sheriff dept".
It's standard practice now... people defend the indefensible, because their opponent is something they hate worse. You could put obama's name on an anti-cancer drug, and Repubs would take pics of them buying Marlboros saying "the govt ain't telling me what to put in my body..."
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Media, pundits have painted libs/rioters/anti-police with the same brush. Therefore, they feel a new need to defend HUGE police growth, to shit all over any kind of peaceful protest, and to laugh/justify every time the police beat the shit out of an unarmed man or shoot them in the back.
This thread is perfect proof. 55 views and not one comment. They can't agree with obama, but in their bones, it feels weird saying "yes, we should give grenades and tanks to local sheriff dept".
It's standard practice now... people defend the indefensible, because their opponent is something they hate worse. You could put obama's name on an anti-cancer drug, and Repubs would take pics of them buying Marlboros saying "the govt ain't telling me what to put in my body..."
Ya know, to me, it looks exactly like how a ratchet works. That's what it reminds me of.
So in the most roundabout way imaginable, it's through "the will of the people" we end up with the most outrageous shit happening.
I'd say you're calling out the playbook for what it is, 240. No denying this one.
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I wake up and read my repub friends, outraged by the news story that obama to cut military-style equipment being sent to american police forces. They are angry because Obama's name is on it. They are arguing for the opposite of whatever obama says, which in this case... they suddenly support arming their local police dept with MORE tanks and other military weapons, not less.
This is a brilliant political move, you have to admit it. Obama obviously loves a country where he has more power, more control, and a greater ability to crush the @#^@#(* out of anyone that protests his power. And now, the repubs are supporting, yes SUPPORTING, obama sending MORE military grade weapons and gear to local police. And when Hilary steals the election in a year, and Repubs are on the street screaming about the injustice of it, maybe they'll recognize the irony when they're being pummeled with military-grade police weaponry they insisted on back in 2015. :-\
I was under the impression the Republicans were always for supplying police with equipment... hmmmm
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I was under the impression the Republicans were always for supplying police with equipment... hmmmm
I'd say that would be the most likely impression for someone to have, but now (starting with Obama's first term, actually) there's a record of many saying otherwise, including on getbig.
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Yeah, it is fucking crazy. Get two opposing crowds of people going that don't have a clue in hell, and push your agenda through before anyone knows what hit them.
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...and in the end, you can say the people "wanted" it.
Wowza.
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I don't understand why you obamabots think the federal government expanding it's hold and overreaching more and more on a daily basis - this time telling local police that they cannot adequately protect themselves - is a good thing.
I guess you'll just have to break it down for me.
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Adequately protect themselves? With planes with mounted weapons systems? Yes, really.
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And Obama isn't telling police what to buy. He's just not sending any federal dollars to pay for military weapons. They can still buy remote control drone machine guns planes with local and state money.
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I wake up and read my repub friends, outraged by the news story that obama to cut military-style equipment being sent to american police forces. They are angry because Obama's name is on it. They are arguing for the opposite of whatever obama says, which in this case... they suddenly support arming their local police dept with MORE tanks and other military weapons, not less.
This is a brilliant political move, you have to admit it. Obama obviously loves a country where he has more power, more control, and a greater ability to crush the @#^@#(* out of anyone that protests his power. And now, the repubs are supporting, yes SUPPORTING, obama sending MORE military grade weapons and gear to local police. And when Hilary steals the election in a year, and Repubs are on the street screaming about the injustice of it, maybe they'll recognize the irony when they're being pummeled with military-grade police weaponry they insisted on back in 2015. :-\
Repubs not conservatives. Repubs are almost as useless as liberals. Both need to disband and start over.
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Repubs not conservatives. Repubs are almost as useless as liberals. Both need to disband and start over.
there are 2 kinds of republicans.
Conservatives = the base, the tea party, the cruz' of the group.
RINOs = republicans in name only - the ones that wear that (R) on their nametag, but support amnesty, or obama's shitty budget for 1.1 trillion, or other liberal positions on issues. Yes, that does include a lot of the 2016 choices. Many of them were on board with obama on the wrong side of conservatives.
And coach - IMO, these RINO repubs are WORSE than liberals - because they fill offices and prevent actual conservatives form taking those positions. They brainwash actual repub voters into support amnesty and other bullshit positions, because they think they're being good republicans.
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And Obama isn't telling police what to buy. He's just not sending any federal dollars to pay for military weapons. They can still buy remote control drone machine guns planes with local and state money.
I'm not sure about that or clear on that myself.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/05/18/why-president-obama-taking-steps-demilitarize-local-police-forces (https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/05/18/why-president-obama-taking-steps-demilitarize-local-police-forces)
"And if a department wants to acquire any controlled equipment, they must apply and provide detailed, clear, and persuasive explanation that justifies the request. "
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/18/us-usa-race-obama-idUSKBN0O30UQ20150518 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/18/us-usa-race-obama-idUSKBN0O30UQ20150518)
"Obama's ban, which effectively prevents the U.S. military from providing certain equipment to local police, means that explosive-resistant vehicles with tracked wheels like those seen on army tanks and other similar hardware will no longer be allowed to be used by police, the White House said in a report issued hours before his speech in Camden.
It's one thing to say we won't sell them to you anymore. It's another thing to entirely forbid certain things or require them to make special requests (which can be denied) to be able to purchase certain things at all.
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I do'nt know if that analysis is correct, but if it is... then yes, I'm okay as FCCK with it.
I hate the idea that my local town can just decide one day to become a paramilitary sheriff unit. Cause if they have that shit, they will use it in order to keep that budget line item. And they'll use it when not necessary, in order to keep it necessary.
thin line between posse commatatus (spelling? lol) and just letting the local police drive tanks around. I don't want either. Too many idiots. Imagine that idiot guy that killed a suspect recently - he wasn't a cop, he was a ride-along donor who bought himself some gunplay. Do you want him driving tanks too?
Local police don't need army tanks. They don't. They have snipers and mp5s and they have grenades, and they have numbers. Can anyone list the times in the past 5 years, anywhere, where a tank solved a problem that the armored swat battering vehicle would not? Any case where plane-mounted machine guns totally saved the day?
It's nice to support law enforcement, but it crosses the line into deepthroating their junk when we scream the need for local tanks lol.
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I don't understand why you obamabots think the federal government expanding it's hold and overreaching more and more on a daily basis - this time telling local police that they cannot adequately protect themselves - is a good thing.
I guess you'll just have to break it down for me.
You may have missed the point of the thread.
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I do'nt know if that analysis is correct, but if it is... then yes, I'm okay as FCCK with it.
I hate the idea that my local town can just decide one day to become a paramilitary sheriff unit. Cause if they have that shit, they will use it in order to keep that budget line item. And they'll use it when not necessary, in order to keep it necessary.
thin line between posse commatatus (spelling? lol) and just letting the local police drive tanks around. I don't want either. Too many idiots. Imagine that idiot guy that killed a suspect recently - he wasn't a cop, he was a ride-along donor who bought himself some gunplay. Do you want him driving tanks too?
Local police don't need army tanks. They don't. They have snipers and mp5s and they have grenades, and they have numbers. Can anyone list the times in the past 5 years, anywhere, where a tank solved a problem that the armored swat battering vehicle would not? Any case where plane-mounted machine guns totally saved the day?
It's nice to support law enforcement, but it crosses the line into deepthroating their junk when we scream the need for local tanks lol.
Can you name a department with a tank? I'd be curious to read up on it..
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Can you name a department with a tank? I'd be curious to read up on it..
FOX news ---
WASHINGTON – From California to Connecticut and several states in between, local police departments have been steadily arming themselves over the years with billions of dollars' worth of military-grade equipment -- including grenade launchers, helicopters and machine guns.
The materiel comes from a U.S. military program that, until this week, received little public attention.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/16/tanks-grenade-launchers-machine-guns-offered-to-local-cops-through-pentagon/
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FOX news ---
WASHINGTON – From California to Connecticut and several states in between, local police departments have been steadily arming themselves over the years with billions of dollars' worth of military-grade equipment -- including grenade launchers, helicopters and machine guns.
The materiel comes from a U.S. military program that, until this week, received little public attention.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/16/tanks-grenade-launchers-machine-guns-offered-to-local-cops-through-pentagon/
No tanks... just what I thought
tank
(redirected from Military tank)
Also found in: Medical, Financial, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
tank
(tăngk)
n.
1.
a. A large, often metallic container for holding or storing liquids or gases.
b. The amount that this container can hold: buy a tank of gas.
2. A usually artificial pool, pond, reservoir, or cistern, especially one used to hold water for drinking or for irrigation.
3. An enclosed, heavily armored combat vehicle that is armed with cannon and machine guns and moves on continuous tracks.
The author thinks armored personnel carriers are tanks...
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I don't understand why you obamabots think the federal government expanding it's hold and overreaching more and more on a daily basis - this time telling local police that they cannot adequately protect themselves - is a good thing.
I guess you'll just have to break it down for me.
240 comes on here just to argue. I can't count how many times hes stated he was a repub when he's a blatant liberal. The rest have at least admitted they were mental...er, I mean liberal right from the get go. If you ask why they would for Obama (twice) it's usually convoluted reasoning or no reason at all. Shit, 240 still thinks just because Obama "won..haha" twice that he could actually do his job. There's zero correlation between the two. My thinking is they just like to be controlled and expanding the government is a way for them to be controlled. Government is the absolute problem.
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No tanks... just what I thought
tank
(redirected from Military tank)
Also found in: Medical, Financial, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
tank
(tăngk)
n.
1.
a. A large, often metallic container for holding or storing liquids or gases.
b. The amount that this container can hold: buy a tank of gas.
2. A usually artificial pool, pond, reservoir, or cistern, especially one used to hold water for drinking or for irrigation.
3. An enclosed, heavily armored combat vehicle that is armed with cannon and machine guns and moves on continuous tracks.
The author thinks armored personnel carriers are tanks...
Yup....as a Tanker you people are pissing me off. There is only one tank in the US inventory - the M1A series....the folks at the National Training Center use the Sheridan light tank as an OPFOR vehicle in limited roles. Everything else is an MRAP vehicle of some sort, an M113 or part of the Stryker family..including the piece of shit with the 105 on it. A Bradley aint a tank either. Its a IFV or Infantry fighting vehicle. These can all be used to deliver police swat to a firefight but most don't have mounted weapons. Cops don't use frag grenades. Even if it has a track it aint a tank gents.
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Yup....as a Tanker you people are pissing me off. There is only one tank in the US inventory - the M1A series....the folks at the National Training Center use the Sheridan light tank as an OPFOR vehicle in limited roles. Everything else is an MRAP vehicle of some sort, an M113 or part of the Stryker family..including the piece of shit with the 105 on it. A Bradley aint a tank either. Its a IFV or Infantry fighting vehicle. These can all be used to deliver police swat to a firefight but most don't have mounted weapons. Cops don't use frag grenades. Even if it has a track it aint a tank gents.
Thank you for the clarification.
I found that in addition to the military equipment, police departments are now using African Lions as part of their law enforcement. I found this to be quite shocking. Well, their actually dogs but that's not as frightening so I like to use African Lion instead
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Your breakdown was fine...I was piling on for 240's benefit. I was never a fan of all the military hardware...especially the shit during the search for the Boston bombing douchbags.
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Your breakdown was fine...I was piling on for 240's benefit. I was never a fan of all the military hardware...especially the shit during the search for the Boston bombing douchbags.
Yeah, you actually added some credibility, since what I say is obviously because I am brainwashed and part of the problem.
I agree there are departments what went batshit crazy with the available military equipment. There needs to be some reasonableness to the procurement. I'm not a proponent of some of the stuff they say can be had. I haven't seen it actually being requested here. We have gotten a helicopter and some armored personnel carriers for SWAT and the Bomb squad and I support those
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240 comes on here just to argue. I can't count how many times hes stated he was a repub when he's a blatant liberal. The rest have at least admitted they were mental...er, I mean liberal right from the get go. If you ask why they would for Obama (twice) it's usually convoluted reasoning or no reason at all. Shit, 240 still thinks just because Obama "won..haha" twice that he could actually do his job. There's zero correlation between the two. My thinking is they just like to be controlled and expanding the government is a way for them to be controlled. Government is the absolute problem.
attack the messesnger, not the message lol...
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No tanks... just what I thought
Just google "american police departments with tanks" = there are a lot of them.
Richland County, South Carolina
https://www.aclu.org/blog/towns-dont-need-tanks-they-have-them
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Just google "american police departments with tanks" = there are a lot of them.
Richland County, South Carolina
https://www.aclu.org/blog/towns-dont-need-tanks-they-have-them
Do you breeze over the posts? That is not a tank. There are not a lot of departments with tanks. Having said that.. the 50 Cal machine gun is ridiculous and a good example of why there needs to be controls on it.
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Its a 113.....but thats a friggen .50 cal WTF. They need that crap to get close and unload or breach a big target. At Waco the ATF had to use a CEV or combat engineer vehicle. It was a engineer platform on a M60 chassis with a 152 military breach cannon. The driver and crew were Delta as the story goes....so departments don't want to go down that road have been able to buy their own crap. I'm not a fan at all.
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