Test and mental state

[herefortheglitter]

Interesting to see the difference between a male and female perspective lol
Female: biotic scrub
Male: Kill it with drugs

 

LOL I feel like if you are already putting so much gear into your body (to cause the acne) don't put any more shit to correct what you are doing to it with drugs in the first place.

Now I sound like a hippy haha

[Davidtheman100]

Im 43 been on TRT anywhere from 200-500mg a week for a few years-also take pharm deca anywhere from 200-400 as well-I noticed that w test at 300 or more I get these weird moods of always thinking about sex yet Im not that horny physically-I am of course but more when Im with my gf-I also feel edgy and irritable-lately i have dropped the dosage to 200-250 and kept the deca 3-400mg a week and just feel calmer and not such intense feelings that make me shake my head like wtf is wrong w me lol-its like I have a 43 yr old wisdom with a 20 year old mentality..

I think people ESPECIALLY aspiring bb's stray away from REAL TRT protocols and dosages so they don't really experience the dialed in, healthy better sense of well-being experience that comes with finally having your hormones and testosterone levels being on the higher side for a normal healthy man...Once you get back into the realm of therapeutic doses you get all of the benefits without as much aromatize abnormalities in your personality...

[gettingbetter]

I think people ESPECIALLY aspiring bb's stray away from REAL TRT protocols and dosages so they don't really experience the dialed in, healthy better sense of well-being experience that comes with finally having your hormones and testosterone levels being on the higher side for a normal healthy man...Once you get back into the realm of therapeutic doses you get all of the benefits without as much aromatize abnormalities in your personality...

Agreed in part. "Real" TRT has benefits on health that blasting doesn't. Than again, bodybuilders are far from your typical folks.

For my part, considering my "sports oriented objectives" I'm staying on true TRT levels but try to have an holistic approach to health, including HGH, IGF-1 and teleomere therapy through epitalon...

TRT doses being 125 mgs a week, putting me at 1900 ng. Enough to not get killed while taking a hit to the face :-)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1h53c5_combat-entre-2-joueurs-pendant-un-match-de-hockey_sport

[BigRo]

Agreed in part. "Real" TRT has benefits on health that blasting doesn't. Than again, bodybuilders are far from your typical folks.

For my part, considering my "sports oriented objectives" I'm staying on true TRT levels but try to have an holistic approach to health, including HGH, IGF-1 and teleomere therapy through epitalon...

TRT doses being 125 mgs a week, putting me at 1900 ng. Enough to not get killed while taking a hit to the face :-)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1h53c5_combat-entre-2-joueurs-pendant-un-match-de-hockey_sport

and the higher side of normal for a natural man is what 900ng?

[gettingbetter]

and the higher side of normal for a natural man is what 900ng?

I think 1200 ng is on the high side but my measures vary from 900-1900 from month to month.

I'm not sure but it think it might depends on how "overtrained" I am since my highest measure are always in the off-season (summer) and my lowest range were always during the playoffs...

My doctor pretty much knows why I'm using testosterone so he might be more comfortable with having me on the higher side of the range.

[Davidtheman100]

bottom line is the closer you are to therapeutic dosages the easier it is to manage health-wise

[CDel19]

thx for the advice-is my deca at 400 too much and cause issues?

[Davidtheman100]

thx for the advice-is my deca at 400 too much and cause issues?

I know people who do 100mg deca/week added to their TRT protocol as they're older fellas and it helps for their joints as 100mg won't really reap much in the muscle-building category. I'd say 400 is pretty damn high yet it's probably the lowest dose that it would be effective for BB goals.... i would at least experiment with running it at lower doses so you can see for yourself..

[equipoise]

lol no, its not like theyre dumb, just baffled or confused the whole time, i dont really know how to word that correctly
i actually dont even have an above normal libido on 2+ grams
not with test, not with tren, not with anything

i have the most intense libido on 300-600mg test and nothing else. couldnt think of ANYTHING else but sticking it in during my last cruise... whereas now on a >3g blast i could go without it for days and wouldnt even care
i dont. but im young and stupid. im being honest here.
i have zero visible side effects. no zits, good skin, no hair loss, im never sick (only when on orals for too long).
im red as a lobster though and my blood pressure is high. not dangerously high but too high. (140/80 on average). i measure that regularly, blood sugar too (which is always perfect even after a long time on slin).

other than that think my body is quite resilient and can handle high doses. i dont drink, i dont smoke, i eat very well nowadays.
i figured out quite a perfect supplement regiment regarding vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals etc.
the only fats i eat on purpose (other than trace fats in lean meat etc) are healthy. eggs, salmon, coconut milk/oil, MCT oil.
i rarely eat processed shit (except candy/dextrose intra workout with slin).
 
OTHER THAN THAT i know that my bloodwork is most likely completely wrecked. i know that and i havent done any for about a year.
i just cruised for 4 weeks on 300mg test before my current blast (6 weeks in). i know thats not even close to long enough, but i mentally needed a break, so thats when i cruise. before that i had high dosed for probably 6 months or more nonstop...

i wouldnt change a thing anyways. bloodwork doesnt mean anything. it just gives you hints and markers.
if something happens - what happens - thats genetics.
my worst concern is cholesterol, since my HDL was always low (LDL too though). however since i take a lot of supps to reduce systemic inflammation and put in a lot of research in this field im not too concerned.
bad cholesterol numbers are not what causes damage. bad cholesterol numbers COUPLED with systemic inflammation, thats when shit gets dangerous.
i try to avoid that.

still i know that im reckless and im an abuser and im not trying to justify that in any way here

Why not take BP meds to counteract the hypertension? I usually use an angiotensin-II receptor blocker. Sometimes pop 20mg lisinopril or so if my BP is still high.

[Jizmo]

Why not take BP meds to counteract the hypertension? I usually use an angiotensin-II receptor blocker. Sometimes pop 20mg lisinopril or so if my BP is still high.

havent informed much about the stuff yet, but i was always under the impression that they have bad sides too. or maybe that was because a couple guys use diuretics for that...

if it wasnt for the bad bad heartburn i would just use cialis :/

[oni]

havent informed much about the stuff yet, but i was always under the impression that they have bad sides too. or maybe that was because a couple guys use diuretics for that...

if it wasnt for the bad bad heartburn i would just use cialis :/

How many MG of potassium are you taking in a day?

[Jizmo]

How many MG of potassium are you taking in a day?

supplemental? none actually...
AFAIK potassium only counters the water retention from excess sodium, right?
your body adapts to a high sodium intake anyway within a couple of days so youll have no additional water retention
since my sodium consumption is consistently pretty high i dont worry about that

however i thought about supplementing potassium since i seemed to cramp up much easier while on slin. i think i read somewhere that slin alters sodium/potassium retention in the muscle
however since i started consuming even more sodium this has actually lessened. i even put 2-3 grams of salt into my pre workout shake, since creatine uptake through insulin mechanisms works better when sodium levels are elevated

[ritch]

supplemental? none actually...
AFAIK potassium only counters the water retention from excess sodium, right?
your body adapts to a high sodium intake anyway within a couple of days so youll have no additional water retention
since my sodium consumption is consistently pretty high i dont worry about that

however i thought about supplementing potassium since i seemed to cramp up much easier while on slin. i think i read somewhere that slin alters sodium/potassium retention in the muscle
however since i started consuming even more sodium this has actually lessened. i even put 2-3 grams of salt into my pre workout shake, since creatine uptake through insulin mechanisms works better when sodium levels are elevated

not even sure how much that is but totally feel like throwing up thinking of adding salt to my shake.

[Jizmo]

not even sure how much that is but totally feel like throwing up thinking of adding salt to my shake.

little less than half a teaspoon
try it and believe me, youll notice a better pump right away... especially with slin

i put 5 grams of in it leucine too, so the salt is my least worry when it comes to tasting like ass

a ton of sweetener and 2 scoops of whey and some additional flav drops actually mask the taste quite well. a bit bitter and salty, but it actually doesnt taste bad.

[oni]

Yeah if you use slin you need potassium
It will also help with the blood pressure

RDA is 4.5g
Most don't get close to that
When you cook your rice or make stew, I stir in a tablespoon of low-sodium salt (entire days worth) and that gives me 4g of potassium roughly
Then spinach, potatoes etc to make up the rest, plus I sprinkle low salt on everything too

The key is not supplementation - put it directly into the diet. The potassium chloride salt is the best way to do this and rice will soak it right up as you cook it
Remember the RDA is 4.5g and we are athletes and we sweat a lot more than most people too. Add insulin and you need even more
My personal intake is 7-8g of both sodium and potassium. My blood pressure is way down and I dropped about 3kg of water since starting lol. Also I no longer get night sweats from tren

[Jizmo]

just ordered 2lbs of potassium chloride

i actually didnt know you could get it for that cheap. i was always searching for "potassium powder" and only getting overpriced supplements.

while 2lbs of chemical grade (safe for consumption) potassium chloride cost like 5$ lol

found it throught the diet salt thing... thanks oni
i probably get way too little potassium in my diet, even though im a big yogurt eater, which is one of the best potassium sources.
 but even with that i probably dont even get close to more than 2-3 grams