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Not really much of a gamer these days as I think over the last decade games have gone forward in terms of graphics and backwards in terms of gameplay - dumbed down for masses = more profit. Anyways, I did like the old DS though and when I heard of the launch of the 3DS, I thought the orginal DS awesomeness could potentially be improved further... never really cared for the 3D feature and probaby would have it allways turned off if i owned one....but i did think they would have some top quality games for the system that would be fun 3D or not.... but looking at the reviews the games released so far have gotten, it seems to be doing pretty badly. Eh, perhaps next year it will really shine...
Gaming for the most part sucks these days though, i guess the current generation dont know any better though and are blissfully unaware, the golden era was the SNES/N64 days for sure... dont get me wrong theres still a few gems out there but it aint like it used to be, and that aint just nostalgia... i went back and played some of the old greats not so long
ago and they are still blow most of the trash thats churned out today away.
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it doesn't help that the games suck. although the new mario and mario kart games are probably as epic as every other one of those games
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While the 3DS is of course not selling as crazy as the DS did... it's still doing very very well.
The fact of the matter is that 3D is and always will be a gimmick.
However, globally, the Nintendo DS is the number 1 selling platform period at over 150 Million at last count... The 3DS is the current top seller right now.
So I don't know why you think the DS is failing or that the 3DS is failing... They are making Nintendo a shit ton of money.
Week sales of Dec-10-2011 Worldwide
Platform Americas Europe AP/MEA Global
3DS 558,670 306,017 461,566 1,326,253
Xbox 631,870 192,453 27,060 851,383
Wii 453,288 262,882 98,047 814,217
PS3 287,263 291,658 121,494 700,415
DS 181,730 129,831 33,021 344,582
PSP 87,718 87,215 89,084 264,017
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you are a nerd
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lol at people thinking games were better back then...bullshit!
you just were younger and more interested thats it, for me that doesnt even count
when i play old games i always think how could you have fun with this simple shit?
games these days are much better
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lol at people thinking games were better back then...bullshit!
you just were younger and more interested thats it, for me that doesnt even count
when i play old games i always think how could you have fun with this simple shit?
games these days are much better
Some were better and some were worse... The top thing a game needs to have is a fun factor.
Part of what you say may be true, but there are many games back in the mid 80s that while "simple" were simply more fun than some games today and of course there are some fantastic games made today that crush some games from back then.
The fact is that there have always been good and bad games made... Time didn't change anything but how big the game can be and how pretty it can look.
The creative ideas and the fun is universal.
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yes but once u get used to HD you get eye cancer playing regular shit
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yes but once u get used to HD you get eye cancer playing regular shit
No disagreement, but I've had a blast playing a lot of HD remixes of the old games with just updated sound and video.
That's how you know the game was really great.
There's a shit ton of HD visuals today that make my eyes roll back in my head when I play them because they just suck.
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lol at people thinking games were better back then...bullshit!
you just were younger and more interested thats it, for me that doesnt even count
when i play old games i always think how could you have fun with this simple shit?
games these days are much better
Simple shit? the games back then had far more depth to them and alot were a ton more challenging to. The majority of todays games are dumbed down to the point where its mind numbing.... but thats the target audience developers need to cater for in todays climate - the casual gamer who turns on his console for an hour or two at the weekend.... theres far more money to be made selling to that kind of person, because theres more people like that than there is 'hardcore gamers' Perfect example of this is look what happened to the Final Fantasy series lol...
Compare the top 5 games from each genre from say 10 years ago and today, I dont think many of the modern games wpuld get on to the lists from back then.
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of course games back then were more simple cause they didnt have the possibilities they have today
dont tell me a 2d super mario isnt simple...of course it has nothing to do with the fact that these games are great
but games like the uncharted series for example set new standards IMO
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Nintendo guys are brilliant, they make money on every console they put out, right away. This vs Sony or Microsoft that expect to lose billions on their new consoles until game sales finally pull their asses out of the red. Honestly I think Xbox would have failed if not for the Halo miracle. Without Halo Xbox was nothing.
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Simple shit? the games back then had far more depth to them and alot were a ton more challenging to. The majority of todays games are dumbed down to the point where its mind numbing.... but thats the target audience developers need to cater for in todays climate - the casual gamer who turns on his console for an hour or two at the weekend.... theres far more money to be made selling to that kind of person, because theres more people like that than there is 'hardcore gamers' Perfect example of this is look what happened to the Final Fantasy series lol...
Compare the top 5 games from each genre from say 10 years ago and today, I dont think many of the modern games wpuld get on to the lists from back then.
This is pretty spot on.
As games continue to explode in popularity, the newcomers have to be eased into it with... you said it, mind-numbingly boring games. Of course there are still people making good games, but the "average gamer" these days has no taste, and the market reflects this by giving us checkpoints every ten seconds, regenerating health and indestructable cover, stupid and slow enemies, etc.
You can see the same thing happening with rap music... once all the white kids caught on and the industry had a nationwide (or even global) audience, the path was paved for increasingly less talented artists to take advantage of these kids' poor taste, and shortly thereafter you started hearing all the longtime fans proclaiming "hip hop is dead."
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of course games back then were more simple cause they didnt have the possibilities they have today
dont tell me a 2d super mario isnt simple...of course it has nothing to do with the fact that these games are great
but games like the uncharted series for example set new standards IMO
super mario world is literally a thousand times more sophisticated (and fun) than the shitty platformers that "indie" developers churn out today, like limbo, braid, super meat boy, and countless others.
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only homosexuals think that rap was better back then
run dmc kurtis blow etc etc all very low skilled shitty rappers who are blown away by guys like eminem, kendrick llamar and yes even lil weezy
it is all nostalgia i tell ya, people think things were better when they were younger
i always thought pokemon was great back then but cant even watch one episode now cause its boring as fuck
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Hard to remeber the cream of the crop from 10 years ago, but off the top of my head some old gems of that era...
FPS:
Counter-strike
Goldeneye 64
Quake
Unreal tournament
Timesplitters
RPG:
Zelda:ocarina of time/link to past
Final fantasy 6,7
Chrono trigger
Baldurs gate
Dues ex
RTS:
Command and conquer series
Starcraft
Total anhilation
Homeworld
Warcraft
Cant think of much thats been released in recent years that gameplay wise tops the above and im probably forgetting a few classics. And if you go through most of the other genres you will find the same...
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only homosexuals think that rap was better back then
run dmc kurtis blow etc etc all very low skilled shitty rappers who are blown away by guys like eminem, kendrick llamar and yes even lil weezy
it is all nostalgia i tell ya, people think things were better when they were younger
i always thought pokemon was great back then but cant even watch one episode now cause its boring as fuck
there are still good rappers, of course, but it's about the average level of quality. in the 90s you had biggie, tupac, nas, jay-z, nwa, wu tang, even eminem and many others all releasing quality work.
i mean, i like wayne, j cole, drake, ti, kanye and the rest as much as the next guy, but there's really no comparison. plus look at guys like wayne and kanye... when they had a small audience, their work was great, when they became household names, they turned to shit (ESPECIALLY wayne). It's for many reasons but a big one is the new audience just doesn't hold them to a high standard -- kids hear wayne call himself the "best rapper alive" and believe it for years, long after he stopped producing anything even close to the level of, say, drought 3 or carter II.
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Hard to remeber the cream of the crop from 10 years ago, but off the top of my head some old gems of that era...
FPS:
Counter-strike
Goldeneye 64
Quake
Unreal tournament
Timesplitters
you can hate BF and CoF but they are better just as HL2
RPG:
Zelda:ocarina of time/link to past it's not an RPG it's an action adventure and i gotta put in elder scrolls in there other than that rpg is dead cause it's fukcing boring at least the japanese roundbased rpg
Final fantasy 6,7
Chrono trigger
Baldurs gate
Dues ex
RTS:
Command and conquer series never likes these games
Starcraft
Total anhilation
Homeworld
Warcraft
Cant think of much thats been released in recent years that gameplay wise tops the above and im probably forgetting a few classics. And if you go through most of the other genres you will find the same...
try and play the new batman game, uncharted 3, red dead redemption, GTA4 + add ons
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there are still good rappers, of course, but it's about the average level of quality. in the 90s you had biggie, tupac, nas, jay-z, nwa, wu tang, even eminem and many others all releasing quality work.
i mean, i like wayne, j cole, drake, ti, kanye and the rest as much as the next guy, but there's really no comparison. plus look at guys like wayne and kanye... when they had a small audience, their work was great, when they became household names, they turned to shit (ESPECIALLY wayne). It's for many reasons but a big one is the new audience just doesn't hold them to a high standard -- kids hear wayne call himself the "best rapper alive" and believe it for years, long after he stopped producing anything even close to the level of, say, drought 3 or carter II.
i agree fully on what u say about kanye and weezy
i never understood why so many artist get worse with time i mean everything else evolves but talent gets worse, pretty weird
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by the way, arkham city, gta IV, and ESPECIALLY red dead redemption are all shit. dunno about uncharted 3. I can tell you right now it's got extremely boring gunplay.
red dead redemption stands right alongside bioshock as the torchbearers for all that's wrong with modern game design. with regard to red dead redemption: extremely dumbed down combat (the slow-motion mechanic makes the game a joke), cookie cutter missions which are about 1/10 as interesting as those found in GTA III, which started the genre, over-emphasis on cinematics and story-sequences, and so easy as to be tedious to anyone who's been playing games for more than a couple of years.
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wow
i mean im not the only one who says that
RDR and B AC are like the most loved games of this decade
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wow
i mean im not the only one who says that
RDR and B AC are like the most loved games of this decade
I really love RDR and B: AC but that's just me.
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love it too
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People who outgrew nintendo think they're failing but they actually stayed in the kids world and sells because of it
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video games are much better today, unlike movies and music
anybody that thinks games like final fantasy 7 or zelda ocarina of time are better than anything today are letting their nostalgia cloud their judgment, i'm willing to bet you haven't played those games in years and don't understand how dated they are today
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I can't wait for the new Resident Evil game coming in Feb. for the 3ds. I have played them all.
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Not really much of a gamer these days as I think over the last decade games have gone forward in terms of graphics and backwards in terms of gameplay - dumbed down for masses = more profit. Anyways, I did like the old DS though and when I heard of the launch of the 3DS, I thought the orginal DS awesomeness could potentially be improved further... never really cared for the 3D feature and probaby would have it allways turned off if i owned one....but i did think they would have some top quality games for the system that would be fun 3D or not.... but looking at the reviews the games released so far have gotten, it seems to be doing pretty badly. Eh, perhaps next year it will really shine...
Gaming for the most part sucks these days though, i guess the current generation dont know any better though and are blissfully unaware, the golden era was the SNES/N64 days for sure... dont get me wrong theres still a few gems out there but it aint like it used to be, and that aint just nostalgia... i went back and played some of the old greats not so long
ago and they are still blow most of the trash thats churned out today away.
quite possible one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read at getbig. I admit I am a big gamer and rent (through gamefly) every game with a good review score that comes out. The games just get better and better every year
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quite possible one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read at getbig. I admit I am a big gamer and rent (through gamefly) every game with a good review score that comes out. The games just get better and better every year
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Simple things please simple minds.
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Simple things please simple minds.
I played back in the NEW/genesis/SNES days and still do today. those days were awesome but playing those games today, they just arent fun anymore
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some people will soon have a tough time dealing with the realities of the recession ...
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earl and alpha are right
new games kill old games
back in time i thought conkers bad fur day was the best game ever, played it a half year ago again and thought wow games today are much better
nostalgia leads u guys, new games are much better
music is a matter of taste IMO, rap gets better for me
movies are also a matter of taste, good movies started 95', there are good movies before but not that many, again the nostalgia makes people think schwarzenegger movies were good just like scarface, love that movie but in reality it was a shitty film
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Simple things please simple minds.
stop dwelling on the past
games back then really were for kids, now games are for everybody
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games keep improving over time, but they also keep degenerating over time. we all know the ways in which they keep improving, but a lot of people seem blind to the ways in which they keep going backwards. games have gotten easier and easier to the point where something like dark souls comes out and people call it "impossible" lol. if this game had been released 20 years ago it would have fit right in.
when genres like FPS and WRPG mostly moved to consoles, they went backwards in many ways as well. dual analog control meant the enemies had to be slower and dumber, hardware restrictions meant smaller levels and less detailed graphics, and so on.
many games like GTA, Zelda, Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, and the like haven't changed much, apart from the graphics, in the last ten years. In the case of grand theft auto, the fourth installment is worse than the third in pretty much every way except for graphics. The Zelda games, apart from graphics, really have barely changed whatsoever. The final fantasy games got increasingly linear and went off the deep end with the cinematics. Comparing metal gear solid 4 to 1 is a joke. The fourth has better shooting mechanics, vastly better graphics, much better animation (especially in cutscenes) and STILL manages to be a horrible, disjointed mess because the developers forgot they were making a game and not a movie; consequently, it can't even hold a candle to the first installment in the series.
Take a game like bioshock and look at its lineage. It's the direct descendant of system shock 1 & 2, thief 1 & 2, and deus ex... nostalgia has nothing to do with it. ANY of these games is OBVIOUSLY much superior in EVERY WAY other than graphics technology (and i stress technology, because artistically bioshock is a mess by comparison). They have bigger and more complex levels, better controls, more intelligently designed enemies, more engaging stories, and are actually challenging (in bioshock you can't even die lol wtf).
On that note, look at thief: deadly shadows. Not a SINGLE person who has played the entire series will tell you anything other than "it's an okay game, but falls well short of the first two entries." Thief II was a step up from thief I in almost every way, and then, to satisfy the rush of new gamers with xboxes, they had to dumb everything down hugely for the third installment -- tiny levels with multiple loading zones, a hackneyed "open world" component shoved in for no other reason than "GTA sells a lot so lets make our game more like it," simplistic level design and glowing UI elements everywhere, because it's impossible to see shit when your artists have no talent / you're developing a dark 3D game for SDTVs.
Another example is red dead redemption, rockstar's latest open world game. If any of you actually played GTA III, rockstar's FIRST open world game, you know how far astray they've gone.
I hope you all realize, too, that every time the newest CoD or Battlefield game comes out, the professional community (ie the people who are the most knowledgeable about these games, love them the most, and generally have the best taste) play them for about 2 months before going back to counterstrike because, guess what, the new games are BORING.
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i like playing games which are hard but possible to solve
what the fuck is that castlevania 2d megaman 2d shit where you have to take antidepressiva just to feel good again
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Ninja Gaiden's awesome.
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i start games always at the hard modus
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i like playing games which are hard but possible to solve
what the fuck is that castlevania 2d megaman 2d shit where you have to take antidepressiva just to feel good again
these games aren't that hard. people who think they are have just been brainwashed by fuckin bioshock and call of duty with their "impossible to lose" game design, which involves checkpoints every two seconds along with regenerating life + cover everywhere.
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Play Max Payne, look at the average third-person shooter released today, and then tell me to "stop living in the past."
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jeebus, I can't even get past a certain part scooby doo wii game
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these games aren't that hard. people who think they are have just been brainwashed by fuckin bioshock and call of duty with their "impossible to lose" game design, which involves checkpoints every two seconds along with regenerating life + cover everywhere.
yes they were and it has nothing to do with being hard to solve if there are no checkpoints
thats just annoying, i dont wanna start somewhere 2h earlier when i die
that was always annoying in gta games, everytime u died you had to drive 30minutes again just to get to the action
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earl and alpha are right
new games kill old games
back in time i thought conkers bad fur day was the best game ever, played it a half year ago again and thought wow games today are much better
nostalgia leads u guys, new games are much better
music is a matter of taste IMO, rap gets better for me
movies are also a matter of taste, good movies started 95', there are good movies before but not that many, again the nostalgia makes people think schwarzenegger movies were good just like scarface, love that movie but in reality it was a shitty film
quoted for TRUTH
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these games aren't that hard. people who think they are have just been brainwashed by fuckin bioshock and call of duty with their "impossible to lose" game design, which involves checkpoints every two seconds along with regenerating life + cover everywhere.
You realize you can adjust the difficulty level right?
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yes they were and it has nothing to do with being hard to solve if there are no checkpoints
thats just annoying, i dont wanna start somewhere 2h earlier when i die
that was always annoying in gta games, everytime u died you had to drive 30minutes again just to get to the action
it has plenty to do with checkpoints. having to do a series of challenges in a row is MUCH harder than having to do that same series, one by one with a save point after each. in the latter case, usually you can just stumble through on luck which is why all these new shooters/platformers/action games are so mindnumbing.
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You realize you can adjust the difficulty level right?
which generally does little more than giving the enemies more health while increasing their firepower... great, so now i have to sit behind my cover for twice as fucking long waiting for them to poke their head out. sounds fun to me. ::)
the point is that games today are designed for people who throw a tantrum if they can't beat a level on their first or second try, while games used to be developed mostly for seasoned players who wanted to test and improve their skills, not sleep through a bunch of vaguely interactive bullshit.
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which generally does little more than giving the enemies more health while increasing their firepower... great, so now i have to sit behind my cover for twice as fucking long waiting for them to poke their head out. sounds fun to me. ::)
the point is that games today are designed for people who throw a tantrum if they can't beat a level on their first or second try, while games used to be developed mostly for seasoned players who wanted to test and improve their skills, not sleep through a bunch of vaguely interactive bullshit.
I see what you are saying, but personally I don't want to play a game where I scream "FUCK" every 2 minutes and want to throw my controller the whole time. I like a moderate challenge that gives me trouble but is also beatable. Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were some of the most challenging games this generation. Great games but almost too challenging, especially the first one.
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I see what you are saying, but personally I don't want to play a game where I scream "FUCK" every 2 minutes and want to throw my controller the whole time. I like a moderate challenge that gives me trouble but is also beatable. Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were some of the most challenging games this generation. Great games but almost too challenging, especially the first one.
I agree, and I'm pretty sure this is how everyone feels. It's just that not everyone has the same skill level, so what is challenging or not will vary from player to player. I'm not even that great at games myself, but a lot of the games I see praised today, like red dead redemption, bioshock, or uncharted 2, are just total snore fests... you can go like half the game without dying even once -- they must be balanced with preschoolers in mind! now, a lot of times these games are mostly redeemed by other factors (like uncharted's incredible graphics, or red dead's / bioshock's "story" lol, sike) but the tendency is to lean on these too much, and besides these things do little to make the action more interesting.
as graphics have gotten better, there has been a desire to make things more "cinematic," which is fine, but the game (as opposed to movie) is distinguished by being interactive, and should be exciting to play as well as watch. this is where things have regressed the most, i think.
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I agree, and I'm pretty sure this is how everyone feels. It's just that not everyone has the same skill level, so what is challenging or not will vary from player to player. I'm not even that great at games myself, but a lot of the games I see praised today, like red dead redemption, bioshock, or uncharted 2, are just total snore fests... you can go like half the game without dying even once -- they must be balanced with preschoolers in mind! now, a lot of times these games are mostly redeemed by other factors (like uncharted's incredible graphics, or red dead's / bioshock's "story" lol, sike) but the tendency is to lean on these too much, and besides these things do little to make the action more interesting.
as graphics have gotten better, there has been a desire to make things more "cinematic," which is fine, but the game (as opposed to movie) is distinguished by being interactive, and should be exciting to play as well as watch. this is where things have regressed the most, i think.
wtf...you just named of the finest gaming achievements of our generation. Bioshock I think is overrated though, especially with the horrible death system where you get revived in some chamber and don't miss a beat. That drove me nuts. Uncharted 2 is a complete masterpiece though
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only game i play the whole year around are the fifa games though
always great with friends, always, never gets old
guess its the same with madden for u guys
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Another video game thread, time well spent, LOL.
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lol at people thinking games were better back then...bullshit!
you just were younger and more interested thats it, for me that doesnt even count
when i play old games i always think how could you have fun with this simple shit?
games these days are much better
Hell no, the games where better in terms of challenge and purpose, a quest and a valid end, obviously not graphics, but the Megaman series where epic, Castlevania series, zelda, and tetris still fun to play
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If you're a true fan of video games, then anything that comes out increases your enjoyment of the genre.
Those old games aren't better or worse, just aimed at a different demographic.
The very term 'game' doesn't even apply anymore...how are any of the Modern Warfare titles 'games'?...immersive simulations, yes. Games, no. Ms Pacman is a game, Super Mario Bros is a game. What's out there today is a different beast altogether, and that's why old school guys can't make sense of it.
I've got some friends who LOVE video games, and while they are just as nostalgic as anybody, they enjoy the new stuff (which really is impressive, for the top rated stuff) because they're fans of video games, not just types of video games.
It's like fans of football or any other sport. These games have changed so much over the decades, can you really call the hockey of today similar to what was played even 20 years ago other than the number of players on the ice and the puck? Everything changes; either you like the changes or you don't, but it don't mean jack shit.
The only thing I can think of that doesn't fit my description is pro wrestling. I watched that stuff for YEARS until the mid 00's when the storylines and characters just stopped being funny/interesting. It's what happens when one family controls an industry and stops having the requirement to be innovative.
Bottom line is video games, like anything else, are here for one reason: to make as much money as possible. Not for fun, not for challenge, not for anything other than profit. Once you figure that out, you really begin to appreciate games that reward specific skill-sets, like Galaga. Playing that game, even just once or twice a year, will always make you respect how well it's designed and rewards skills. Whereas a game like Resident Evil 1, you treat it like a book: you read it years ago, but with each reading (fewer and further between) it seems more tedious and less rewarding.
That is all.
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If you're a true fan of video games, then anything that comes out increases your enjoyment of the genre.
Those old games aren't better or worse, just aimed at a different demographic.
The very term 'game' doesn't even apply anymore...how are any of the Modern Warfare titles 'games'?...immersive simulations, yes. Games, no. Ms Pacman is a game, Super Mario Bros is a game. What's out there today is a different beast altogether, and that's why old school guys can't make sense of it.
I've got some friends who LOVE video games, and while they are just as nostalgic as anybody, they enjoy the new stuff (which really is impressive, for the top rated stuff) because they're fans of video games, not just types of video games.
Good post (except for the first line), but this is just what I've been saying from the start. Videogames have been exploding in popularity, and as more and more people with no taste and no experience come into the fold, developers try to cash in with subpar games. It's not simply a case of old vs. new. The problem is people calling games that exemplify the vulgarization this influx of clueless consumers has caused, games like red dead redemption and bioshock, "masterpieces." Anyone who REALLY loves videogames and has been playing for a long time would not speak like this about these shitty games.
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Good post (except for the first line), but this is just what I've been saying from the start. Videogames have been exploding in popularity, and as more and more people with no taste and no experience come into the fold, developers try to cash in with subpar games. It's not simply a case of old vs. new. The problem is people calling games that exemplify the vulgarization this influx of clueless consumers has caused, games like red dead redemption and bioshock, "masterpieces." Anyone who REALLY loves videogames and has been playing for a long time would not speak like this about these shitty games.
so what games do you like today?
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the only game worth still playing is pacman at a laundry matt
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it doesn't help that the games suck. although the new mario and mario kart games are probably as epic as every other one of those games
Nothing truer stated in this thread...mario kart is awesome.
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Another video game thread, time well spent, LOL.
Including you responding in it. ::)
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I used to love videogames but nowadays I don't play at all. Maybe a couple hours per month and that's about it.
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I think I beat Resident Evil 4 roughly 25-30 times, I loved GTA San Andreas. I was really really good at King of fighters, I played the entire saga. But now, I get bored easily. ???