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New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« on: August 08, 2009, 06:11:00 PM »
New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country

Bill Maher, Real Time With Bill Maher, Comedy News

New Rule: Just because a country elects a smart president doesn't make it a smart country. A few weeks ago I was asked by Wolf Blitzer if I thought Sarah Palin could get elected president, and I said I hope not, but I wouldn't put anything past this stupid country. It was amazing - in the minute or so between my calling America stupid and the end of the Cialis commercial, CNN was flooded with furious emails and the twits hit the fan. And you could tell that these people were really mad because they wrote entirely in CAPITAL LETTERS!!! It's how they get the blood circulating when the Cialis wears off. Worst of all, Bill O'Reilly refuted my contention that this is a stupid country by calling me a pinhead, which A) proves my point, and B) is really funny coming from a doody-face like him.

Now, the hate mail all seemed to have a running theme: that I may live in a stupid country, but they lived in the greatest country on earth, and that perhaps I should move to another country, like Somalia. Well, the joke's on them because I happen to have a summer home in Somalia... and no I can't show you an original copy of my birth certificate because Woody Harrelson spilled bong water on it.

And before I go about demonstrating how, sadly, easy it is to prove the dumbness dragging down our country, let me just say that ignorance has life and death consequences. On the eve of the Iraq War, 69% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. Four years later, 34% still did. Or take the health care debate we're presently having: members of Congress have recessed now so they can go home and "listen to their constituents." An urge they should resist because their constituents don't know anything. At a recent town-hall meeting in South Carolina, a man stood up and told his Congressman to "keep your government hands off my Medicare," which is kind of like driving cross country to protest highways.

I'm the bad guy for saying it's a stupid country, yet polls show that a majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is. 24% could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War. More than two-thirds of Americans don't know what's in Roe v. Wade. Two-thirds don't know what the Food and Drug Administration does. Some of this stuff you should be able to pick up simply by being alive. You know, like the way the Slumdog kid knew about cricket.

Not here. Nearly half of Americans don't know that states have two senators and more than half can't name their congressman. And among Republican governors, only 30% got their wife's name right on the first try.

Sarah Palin says she would never apologize for America. Even though a Gallup poll says 18% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth. No, they're not stupid. They're interplanetary mavericks. A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen, and a third of Democrats believe that George Bush had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, which is an absurd sentence because it contains the words "Bush" and "knowledge."

People bitch and moan about taxes and spending, but they have no idea what their government spends money on. The average voter thinks foreign aid consumes 24% of our federal budget. It's actually less than 1%. And don't even ask about cabinet members: seven in ten think Napolitano is a kind of three-flavored ice cream. And last election, a full one-third of voters forgot why they were in the booth, handed out their pants, and asked, "Do you have these in a relaxed-fit?"

And I haven't even brought up America's religious beliefs. But here's one fun fact you can take away: did you know only about half of Americans are aware that Judaism is an older religion than Christianity? That's right, half of America looks at books called the Old Testament and the New Testament and cannot figure out which one came first.

And these are the idiots we want to weigh in on the minutia of health care policy? Please, this country is like a college chick after two Long Island Iced Teas: we can be talked into anything, like wars, and we can be talked out of anything, like health care. We should forget town halls, and replace them with study halls. There's a lot of populist anger directed towards Washington, but you know who concerned citizens should be most angry at? Their fellow citizens. "Inside the beltway" thinking may be wrong, but at least it's thinking, which is more than you can say for what's going on outside the beltway.

And if you want to call me an elitist for this, I say thank you. Yes, I want decisions made by an elite group of people who know what they're talking about. That means Obama budget director Peter Orszag, not Sarah Palin.

Which is the way our founding fathers wanted it. James Madison wrote that "pure democracy" doesn't work because "there is nothing to check... an obnoxious individual." Then, in the margins, he doodled a picture of Joe the Plumber.

Until we admit there are things we don't know, we can't even start asking the questions to find out. Until we admit that America can make a mistake, we can't stop the next one. A smart guy named Chesterton once said: "My country, right or wrong is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying... It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'" To which most Americans would respond: "Are you calling my mother a drunk?"
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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2009, 07:05:13 PM »
Yet, Maher has yet to pack his bags and head to where all the supposedly smart people are.

There's no anchor tied to your behind, Maher. Why don't you hit the bricks and find your godless intellectual utopia.

And, don't let the doorknob hit you where the good Lord split you.

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2009, 07:10:00 PM »
Yet, Maher has yet to pack his bags and head to where all the supposedly smart people are.

There's no anchor tied to your behind, Maher. Why don't you hit the bricks and find your godless intellectual utopia.

And, don't let the doorknob hit you where the good Lord split you.
Precisely the heehaw nitwit response Maher was referring to. lol

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Now, the hate mail all seemed to have a running theme: that I may live in a stupid country, but they lived in the greatest country on earth, and that perhaps I should move to another country, like Somalia. Well, the joke's on them because I happen to have a summer home in Somalia... and no I can't show you an original copy of my birth certificate because Woody Harrelson spilled bong water on it.
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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2009, 07:15:52 PM »
Precisely the heehaw nitwit response Maher was referring to. lol

Half of what he claims the average American person doesn't know, HE DOESN'T KNOW either (or at least, he didn't know, prior to doing a quick fact check).

What's worse, this guy flip-flops every time someone doesn't acquiese to what he thinks is smart. Wasn't he just whining not too long about about Obama needing to be more like BUSH!!?

Our country's government is formed the way it is for a reason: So that numbskulls like Maher don't dictate to us, the way our country is run, without our having some say in the matter.

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2009, 07:20:31 PM »
Precisely the heehaw nitwit response Maher was referring to. lol

Are you stereotyping all Southern white people as stupid?
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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2009, 07:34:17 PM »
The stupid country did vote for Obama right?

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2009, 07:39:34 PM »
The stupid country did vote for Obama right?

That's my point, exactly. The last time I read one of Maher's cracked diatribes, I looked past the rhetoric and asked the person who posted it exactly what the point was.

Specifically, it was with regards to Maher's claim that man can't "move forward", until religion (Christianity, in particular) is gone. My question was "move forward to what?", which is partially why I made the comment about Maher packing his bags and heading to his utopia land.

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 12:01:48 AM »
"Please, this country is like a college chick after two Long Island Iced Teas: we can be talked into anything, like wars, and we can be talked out of anything, like health care."

LMAO.... chickenhawk repubs want to bomb Iran but not find any healthcare solution for America.  Hahahahaa

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 01:22:01 AM »
funny that maher didn't mention that the politicians and big business are the ones exploiting everyones ignorance.



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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 06:13:28 AM »
funny that maher didn't mention that the politicians and big business are the ones exploiting everyones ignorance.



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but but but... according to 3333, it's all dirty rotten libs causing all the problems.  From what these guys here have been saying, only democrats sell out to the corporations.   :D

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 06:46:04 AM »
but but but... according to 3333, it's all dirty rotten libs causing all the problems.  From what these guys here have been saying, only democrats sell out to the corporations.   :D

Both parties sell out to special interests because they have too power to give away.  Take away the power of the politicians to control so much of the economoy, etc, and they will have nothing to sell out.   

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2009, 07:28:48 AM »
"Please, this country is like a college chick after two Long Island Iced Teas: we can be talked into anything, like wars, and we can be talked out of anything, like health care."

LMAO.... chickenhawk repubs want to bomb Iran but not find any healthcare solution for America.  Hahahahaa

It appears that Maher's the one, overloading on the Long Island Iced Teas. One, he has conveniently left out how who's going to foot the bill for "ObamaCare". Of course, we all know how that's going to go: Obama's going to hike up taxes and, despite swearing before God and bunch of other white people that he'd never do it, he's going to raise taxes on the middle class (income < $250K).

Furthermore, Maher seems to be all to willing to adopt this foolishness, even though its futility has been well-documented from other countries (notice that certain politicians from other countries come HERE, when their health/life is on the line).

Then, there's the matter of the "bust-a-cap-in-old-people" clause, regarding senior citizens whom the government deems aren't cost-effective enough to save.


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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 08:42:57 AM »
"Please, this country is like a college chick after two Long Island Iced Teas: we can be talked into anything, like wars, and we can be talked out of anything, like health care."

LMAO.... chickenhawk repubs want to bomb Iran but not find any healthcare solution for America.  Hahahahaa

You cant have ANY health care solution without TORT reform.Who blocks that everytime republicans or democrats?

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2009, 08:45:51 AM »
Half of what he claims the average American person doesn't know, HE DOESN'T KNOW either (or at least, he didn't know, prior to doing a quick fact check).

What's worse, this guy flip-flops every time someone doesn't acquiese to what he thinks is smart. Wasn't he just whining not too long about about Obama needing to be more like BUSH!!?

Our country's government is formed the way it is for a reason: So that numbskulls like Maher don't dictate to us, the way our country is run, without our having some say in the matter.
I see what threw you there.  It's called learning.  Not flip-flopping.  When a person learns something, it is generally different from that person's currently held belief.

So beliefs change b/c knowledge imposes itself on thinking individuals.

I suppose in a way, we are all hypocrites.  Why there was a 2 day long period when I was 18 years old when I thought Rush was right.

Boy is my face red.

Actually our government is formed so that smart people can govern the masses.  That's why our government is an indirect democracy...a bicameral representative body.

The very flower of a direct democracy is the lynch mob.  We don't want that.

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2009, 08:56:17 AM »
It appears that Maher's the one, overloading on the Long Island Iced Teas. One, he has conveniently left out how who's going to foot the bill for "ObamaCare". Of course, we all know how that's going to go: Obama's going to hike up taxes and, despite swearing before God and bunch of other white people that he'd never do it, he's going to raise taxes on the middle class (income < $250K).

Furthermore, Maher seems to be all to willing to adopt this foolishness, even though its futility has been well-documented from other countries (notice that certain politicians from other countries come HERE, when their health/life is on the line).

Then, there's the matter of the "bust-a-cap-in-old-people" clause, regarding senior citizens whom the government deems aren't cost-effective enough to save.


Let the Bush tax cuts lapse in 2010.  That's the platform Bush ran on to be elected.  Wouldn't want Bush to be a hypocrite now.

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2009, 08:56:50 AM »
You cant have ANY health care solution without TORT reform.Who blocks that everytime republicans or democrats?
Tort reform has zero to do with our health care problem.

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2009, 08:59:40 AM »
Tort reform has zero to do with our health care problem.

We went over this many times.  Many of the doctors practice what is known as "defensive medicine" and order batteries of testing just to CYA.  This adds massively to the costs of health care with no real benefit.     

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2009, 09:12:06 AM »
We went over this many times.  Many of the doctors practice what is known as "defensive medicine" and order batteries of testing just to CYA.  This adds massively to the costs of health care with no real benefit.     
Are you saying that health insurance providers are giving the green light to unnecessary testing?

Highly unlikely.

Strike that. It's impossible.

Or do you mean by "defensive medicine" the threshhold for competent (i.e., not negligent) medical care?

Remember this?

There was a comprehensive study done by Harvard showing:

The Harvard researchers took a huge sample of 31,000 medical records, dating from the mid-1980s, and had them evaluated by practicing doctors and nurses, the professionals most likely to be sympathetic to the demands of the doctor's office and operating room. The records went through multiple rounds of evaluation, and a finding of negligence was made only if two doctors, working independently, separately reached that conclusion. Even with this conservative methodology, the study found that doctors were injuring one out of every 25 patients—and that only 4 percent of these injured patients sued.  http://www.slate.com/id/2145400/

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2009, 01:09:49 PM »
Are you saying that health insurance providers are giving the green light to unnecessary testing?

Highly unlikely.

Strike that. It's impossible.

Or do you mean by "defensive medicine" the threshhold for competent (i.e., not negligent) medical care?

Remember this?

There was a comprehensive study done by Harvard showing:

The Harvard researchers took a huge sample of 31,000 medical records, dating from the mid-1980s, and had them evaluated by practicing doctors and nurses, the professionals most likely to be sympathetic to the demands of the doctor's office and operating room. The records went through multiple rounds of evaluation, and a finding of negligence was made only if two doctors, working independently, separately reached that conclusion. Even with this conservative methodology, the study found that doctors were injuring one out of every 25 patients—and that only 4 percent of these injured patients sued.  http://www.slate.com/id/2145400/


I would think medicine is a very imprecise thing.What might work for one person may not work for the next.Doctors are doing the best they can but every single case and person is different.People should be allowed to sue,but not for inflated idiotic amounts.

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2009, 01:11:21 PM »
I would think medicine is a very imprecise thing.What might work for one person may not work for the next.Doctors are doing the best they can but every single case and person is different.People should be allowed to sue,but not for inflated idiotic amounts.

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2009, 02:14:34 PM »
I would think medicine is a very imprecise thing.What might work for one person may not work for the next.Doctors are doing the best they can but every single case and person is different.People should be allowed to sue,but not for inflated idiotic amounts.
Who knows?  What's the proper award for a doctor's bungling killing a 25 year old mother of 3?

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2009, 02:15:35 PM »

You will bow down to your president and pay extra taxes to finance the health care of illegal immigrants!

Bow, Yield, Kneel!

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2009, 02:29:52 PM »
You will bow down to your president and pay extra taxes to finance the health care of illegal immigrants!

Bow, Yield, Kneel!

Oh no I wont Decker.  I will leagally reduce my income to make sure I am under any cap imposed by this disgusting leech in the WH. 

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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2009, 10:01:56 PM »
New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country

Bill Maher, Real Time With Bill Maher, Comedy News

New Rule: Just because a country elects a smart president doesn't make it a smart country. A few weeks ago I was asked by Wolf Blitzer if I thought Sarah Palin could get elected president, and I said I hope not, but I wouldn't put anything past this stupid country. It was amazing - in the minute or so between my calling America stupid and the end of the Cialis commercial, CNN was flooded with furious emails and the twits hit the fan. And you could tell that these people were really mad because they wrote entirely in CAPITAL LETTERS!!! It's how they get the blood circulating when the Cialis wears off. Worst of all, Bill O'Reilly refuted my contention that this is a stupid country by calling me a pinhead, which A) proves my point, and B) is really funny coming from a doody-face like him.

Now, the hate mail all seemed to have a running theme: that I may live in a stupid country, but they lived in the greatest country on earth, and that perhaps I should move to another country, like Somalia. Well, the joke's on them because I happen to have a summer home in Somalia... and no I can't show you an original copy of my birth certificate because Woody Harrelson spilled bong water on it.

And before I go about demonstrating how, sadly, easy it is to prove the dumbness dragging down our country, let me just say that ignorance has life and death consequences. On the eve of the Iraq War, 69% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. Four years later, 34% still did. Or take the health care debate we're presently having: members of Congress have recessed now so they can go home and "listen to their constituents." An urge they should resist because their constituents don't know anything. At a recent town-hall meeting in South Carolina, a man stood up and told his Congressman to "keep your government hands off my Medicare," which is kind of like driving cross country to protest highways.

I'm the bad guy for saying it's a stupid country, yet polls show that a majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is. 24% could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War. More than two-thirds of Americans don't know what's in Roe v. Wade. Two-thirds don't know what the Food and Drug Administration does. Some of this stuff you should be able to pick up simply by being alive. You know, like the way the Slumdog kid knew about cricket.

Not here. Nearly half of Americans don't know that states have two senators and more than half can't name their congressman. And among Republican governors, only 30% got their wife's name right on the first try.

Sarah Palin says she would never apologize for America. Even though a Gallup poll says 18% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth. No, they're not stupid. They're interplanetary mavericks. A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen, and a third of Democrats believe that George Bush had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, which is an absurd sentence because it contains the words "Bush" and "knowledge."

People bitch and moan about taxes and spending, but they have no idea what their government spends money on. The average voter thinks foreign aid consumes 24% of our federal budget. It's actually less than 1%. And don't even ask about cabinet members: seven in ten think Napolitano is a kind of three-flavored ice cream. And last election, a full one-third of voters forgot why they were in the booth, handed out their pants, and asked, "Do you have these in a relaxed-fit?"

And I haven't even brought up America's religious beliefs. But here's one fun fact you can take away: did you know only about half of Americans are aware that Judaism is an older religion than Christianity? That's right, half of America looks at books called the Old Testament and the New Testament and cannot figure out which one came first.

And these are the idiots we want to weigh in on the minutia of health care policy? Please, this country is like a college chick after two Long Island Iced Teas: we can be talked into anything, like wars, and we can be talked out of anything, like health care. We should forget town halls, and replace them with study halls. There's a lot of populist anger directed towards Washington, but you know who concerned citizens should be most angry at? Their fellow citizens. "Inside the beltway" thinking may be wrong, but at least it's thinking, which is more than you can say for what's going on outside the beltway.

And if you want to call me an elitist for this, I say thank you. Yes, I want decisions made by an elite group of people who know what they're talking about. That means Obama budget director Peter Orszag, not Sarah Palin.

Which is the way our founding fathers wanted it. James Madison wrote that "pure democracy" doesn't work because "there is nothing to check... an obnoxious individual." Then, in the margins, he doodled a picture of Joe the Plumber.

Until we admit there are things we don't know, we can't even start asking the questions to find out. Until we admit that America can make a mistake, we can't stop the next one. A smart guy named Chesterton once said: "My country, right or wrong is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying... It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'" To which most Americans would respond: "Are you calling my mother a drunk?"



That was brutal, ...but he hit the nail on the head! That is just too funny!
Somebody please post a Youtube clip of it. I can just picture the snarky expression on his face during his delivery.  ;D
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Re: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2009, 10:05:56 PM »

And, don't let the doorknob hit you where the good Lord split you.


Oooooh... why not? ...it sounds like it might actually be fun.  :P 
Does the door continuously go back & forth? btw, how big is the doorknob anyway?
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