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pic from the 1985 worlds.
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i think dorian said he was only training for about a year at that point
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Dorian placed 7th there, and only claimed to be training for only two years. Mendenhall, DeMey placed 2nd, 1st, and had years more training, so an argument could be made he had the most potential there because his training age was very young. In 5 years, Dorian would be near the top bb in the world, DeMey would be heading into the middle tier, and Mendenhall would be bouncing around the nationals.
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Dorian placed 7th there, and only claimed to be training for only two years. Mendenhall, DeMay placed 1st, 2nd, and had years more training, so an argument could be made he had the most is potential there because his training age was very young. In 5 years, Dorian would be near the top bb in the world, DeMay would be heading into the middle tier, and Mendenhall would be bouncing around the nationals. on Rachel McLish
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And people say this isn't a bodybuilding forum. Those 3 guys think less about bodybuilding than we do.
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Mendenhall
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I think Matt Mendenhall had the most potential of anyone I've seen in bodybuilding in the 34 years I have been training. Put Dorians mind discipline and work ethic into that genetically gifted body and we have something that could have surpassed Dorian in 93 which i believe to be the best presentation of a physique in the history of the sport.
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Both Mendenhall and Demay look godlike there.
To think that those 2 wouldn`t place in the top 16 of the moronic modern day Olympia is makes me want to vomit on the judges and the other bloated fucks on stage.
These guys look far better than any of the bloated balloon looking, big gutted, no symmetry/proportions or calves, non posing, cookie cutter, shredded ass cheeked freaks of today.
It`s not about what you weigh, it`s about how you look............people have forgotten this adage.
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:'(
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pic from the 1985 worlds.
We're they all G4P? Endorsed by Ed Conners were they?
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in terms of a structural ideal - 1, 3, 2
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Structure and Mass = Mendelhall
Aesthetics, Symmetry, Definition, Leanness and Face = De Mey
Most reaction to Peds = Dorian (He blew up like a Baloown)
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Matt, Berry, Doz.
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Matt, Berry, Doz.
Which one did you like the most, Tier-wise
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Which one did you like the most, Tier-wise
Matt. Berry looked good too!
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Matt. Berry looked good too!
I thought you'd say Berry over Matt due to his face, but i guess you look more at the physique/bod? :D
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Judging from the pics, Berry is killing them in quality muscle. However, judging from the historical point of how long each had been training and competing at the time, Matt probably had the best overall potential if everything were from the same time frame (age, years of training, etc..)
As we know, Dorian just simply would have ended up crushing them with overall mass per today's standards, but at that time, mass was not seen as everything.
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I thought you'd say Berry over Matt due to his face, but i guess you look more at the physique/bod? :D
This is bodybuilding... so it's about body first--not face. I have seen many bodies that make up for a less than ideal face. In the Tier world body always comes first! Anyway, Matt is hardly a slouch in the face department. Handsome dude.
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6 years later at the 1991 Night of Champions
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6 years later at the 1991 WBF Championship
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If I could pick one bodybuilder throughout history whose physique I would want to have it would be Mendenhall’s.
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I think Matt Mendenhall had the most potential of anyone I've seen in bodybuilding in the 34 years I have been training. Put Dorians mind discipline and work ethic into that genetically gifted body and we have something that could have surpassed Dorian in 93 which i believe to be the best presentation of a physique in the history of the sport.
Agreed. Even Haney said Mendenhall had the most potential of anyone he ever saw. Saying someone had great potential is essentially saying they are lazy.
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Mendenhall is up there for the best structure ever, but in the comparison pics DeMey would win based on his upper body conditioning.
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Crazy genetics
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As we know, Dorian just simply would have ended up crushing them with overall mass per today's standards, but at that time, mass was not seen as everything.
makes me want to vomit on the judges and the other bloated fucks on stage.
It`s not about what you weigh, it`s about how you look............people have forgotten this adage.
It's not really that the judging standards have changed. It's that the physiques have changed, which then changed the judging. The judges didn't make Dorian look like he did in 93. Dorian simply came in as he did and he was judged superior and most agreed, judges, fans and competitors - everyone pretty much agreed, even if there might have been the odd complaint here and there.
It's not that in the 70s and earlier the judges watnted different looking bodies, some with big legs, small upper, and vice versa and that judges now prefer that everyone looks the same. No, it's that there were more imbalanced physiques back then. Freaky mass wasn't prioritized because no one had freaky mass! :D
So in my opinion we can't put this evolution solely on the judges, the IFBB oe whatever.
I'm confident that even many getbiggers would judge a modern pro show not that differently than it's judged today. Sure, some crazy getbiggers would have put Dorian in last place in 93 but most would have given him the win. Same with Ronnie, even if we think he really looks like shit, all things considered. We have the Ronnie vs Dorian wars, we don't have the Dorian vs Zane wars because Dorian was simply more advanced.
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Matt looked amazing.
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God like is correct, does not even need to flex. Compare that to the guys who have to contort themselves to hold their gut in:
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It's not really that the judging standards have changed. It's that the physiques have changed, which then changed the judging. The judges didn't make Dorian look like he did in 93. Dorian simply came in as he did and he was judged superior and most agreed, judges, fans and competitors - everyone pretty much agreed, even if there might have been the odd complaint here and there.
It's not that in the 70s and earlier the judges watnted different looking bodies, some with big legs, small upper, and vice versa and that judges now prefer that everyone looks the same. No, it's that there were more imbalanced physiques back then. Freaky mass wasn't prioritized because no one had freaky mass! :D
So in my opinion we can't put this evolution solely on the judges, the IFBB oe whatever.
I'm confident that even many getbiggers would judge a modern pro show not that differently than it's judged today. Sure, some crazy getbiggers would have put Dorian in last place in 93 but most would have given him the win. Same with Ronnie, even if we think he really looks like shit, all things considered. We have the Ronnie vs Dorian wars, we don't have the Dorian vs Zane wars because Dorian was simply more advanced.
I agree with everything you said and I understand the meaning behind your post.
Just as you cannot compare the bodybuilders from the 1950`s to the guys from the 1970`s.....BUT..... we both know it is all due to drug use and increased dosages and compounds of this drug use over time.
I also think Haney, Yates and Ronnie were awesome but there`s no way in Hell that I would want to look like Yates or Ronnie if I had the choice, if I could look like Paris, Demey, Labrada or Rory just for a few examples....... IF I had that choice.
I also think why everyone looks the same is all due to drugs as well, and I am a proponent of drug use....SANE drug use.
ALSO....there are still some very imbalanced bodies on todays pro stages......maybe not as evident, but still proportions are often fucked up big time, and there would be far more imbalanced bodies if it were not for the increase in drug dosages as they are so big it is less noticeable.
I would bet a dollar to a donut that Serge Nubret trained his legs very hard, though they always lagged badly behind his upper body.
There would be far many similar cases similar to Nubret`s without a zillion injections per week, GH, insulin, and whatever else these guys use that fucks up their kidneys.
There was a guy on GH15`s board who did 105 injections per week plus orals........when I finally saw his pics I laughed, then I felt sorry for him...........not even a national level build though he did have some muscle.......... albeit torn ones with terrible proportions.
Guy was an idiot...105 injections per week just to look like a bag of smashed assholes.
Genetics were, and are key in all of the decades of past bodybuilding including this one, but the increased drugs makes it easier to bring up weaker bodyparts.......they`ll still lag behind, but are still big, if that makes any sense at all.
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God like is correct, does not even need to flex. Compare that to the guys who have to contort themselves to hold their gut in:
amazing, 10 seconds of showing his back, which to be honest was flat and smooth
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I agree with everything you said and I understand the meaning behind your post.
Just as you cannot compare the bodybuilders from the 1950`s to the guys from the 1970`s.....BUT..... we both know it is all due to drug use and increased dosages and compounds of this drug use over time.
I also think Haney, Yates and Ronnie were awesome but there`s no way in Hell that I would want to look like Yates or Ronnie if I had the choice, if I could look like Paris, Demey, Labrada or Rory just for a few examples....... IF I had that choice.
I also think why everyone looks the same is all due to drugs as well, and I am a proponent of drug use....SANE drug use.
ALSO....there are still some very imbalanced bodies on todays pro stages......maybe not as evident, but still proportions are often fucked up big time, and there would be far more imbalanced bodies if it were not for the increase in drug dosages as they are so big it is less noticeable.
I would bet a dollar to a donut that Serge Nubret trained his legs very hard, though they always lagged badly behind his upper body.
There would be far many similar cases similar to Nubret`s without a zillion injections per week, GH, insulin, and whatever else these guys use that fucks up their kidneys.
There was a guy on GH15`s board who did 105 injections per week plus orals........when I finally saw his pics I laughed, then I felt sorry for him...........not even a national level build though he did have some muscle.......... albeit torn ones with terrible proportions.
Guy was an idiot...105 injections per week just to look like a bag of smashed assholes.
Genetics were, and are key in all of the decades of past bodybuilding including this one, but the increased drugs makes it easier to bring up weaker bodyparts.......they`ll still lag behind, but are still big, if that makes any sense at all.
I agree with what you say as well. Good post.
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pic from the 1985 worlds.
Seems like an odd question as all three threw their hat in the bbing ring full bore and we saw how it played out. You can say, "but if Matt did this or if Berry did that". Whatever the reason you may think how much better they could have been the fact is that we saw them at the upper limits of their genetic potential. The elite of the elite. Yet neither were close to prime Dorian.
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pic from the 1985 worlds.
that's only half the story. Show their back side.