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Vince was big into the red meat and egg diet and zero carbs, but did he give cAlorie requirements? I noticed all sorts if posts if people talking about doing 5000 cals of meat and cream and getting ripped. How the fuck is that possible?
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Vince was big into the red meat and egg diet and zero carbs, but did he give cAlorie requirements? I noticed all sorts if posts if people talking about doing 5000 cals of meat and cream and getting ripped. How the fuck is that possible?
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Vince was big into the red meat and egg diet and zero carbs, but did he give cAlorie requirements? I noticed all sorts if posts if people talking about doing 5000 cals of meat and cream and getting ripped. How the fuck is that possible?
It's not possible. If it is excess it will be turned into fat. Entirety of human evolution was to take advantage of caloric excess. It is why we are so efficient at producing fatties now.
Here is an example. A friend of mine had an avocado tree in her backyard. The avocados used to get ripe and fall and her dogs would eat them. Both dogs got fat as shit. Vegetable fats and dogs, but even then, they STILL GOT FAT.
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Thermodynamics don't apply to full cream and meat
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It's not possible. If it is excess it will be turned into fat. Entirety of human evolution was to take advantage of caloric excess. It is why we are so efficient at producing fatties now.
Here is an example. A friend of mine had an avocado tree in her backyard. The avocados used to get ripe and fall and her dogs would eat them. Both dogs got fat as shit. Vegetable fats and dogs, but even then, they STILL GOT FAT.
So then how do all these rumors get started? Just meat and unlimited cream and people sayin they get ripped. Cream is so delicious i can down 2000 kcals of it one sitting. Do these stories come from people who cant eat much?
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Vince was big into the red meat and egg diet and zero carbs, but did he give cAlorie requirements? I noticed all sorts if posts if people talking about doing 5000 cals of meat and cream and getting ripped. How the fuck is that possible?
His aerobic was fast & long bike riding ;)
read his book
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His principles included red meat, drags curls, and protein straight from the tap
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What kind of "cream" are we talking about here?
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His aerobic was fast & long bike riding ;)
read his book
Yet he had clients eat with no calorie limit?
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It's not possible. If it is excess it will be turned into fat. Entirety of human evolution was to take advantage of caloric excess. It is why we are so efficient at producing fatties now.
Here is an example. A friend of mine had an avocado tree in her backyard. The avocados used to get ripe and fall and her dogs would eat them. Both dogs got fat as shit. Vegetable fats and dogs, but even then, they STILL GOT FAT.
Erik C claims you can eat 10,000+ calories but as long as it's 70% Fat / 30% protein ratio, you won't get fat.
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He had three or 4 different diets for bulking, cutting and maintenence. He also did detox. It's in his wild physique book.
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Yet he had clients eat with no calorie limit?
On 'Big Wednesday' film DVD in extras, John Milius talk how Gironda trained boys 4 surfing roles ,very interesting.
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He DID restrict calories. When he trained Mohamed Makkawy he did variations of eggs and streak but as the show got closer he ate nothing but salad and chicken breast.
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Erik C claims you can eat 10,000+ calories but as long as it's 70% Fat / 30% protein ratio, you won't get fat.
Hope nobody is dumb enough to believe that shit....
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Hope nobody is dumb enough to believe that shit....
Exactly, people say a lot of shit. Cybergenics said you'd gain many pounds of lean muscle by following their program. It was bullshit and worse bullshit you paid for. Buuuuut, it is very easy to test. Try it out for 3 weeks and see. What is the worse that could happen? You gain about 5-6 lbs of fat.
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He DID restrict calories. When he trained Mohamed Makkawy he did variations of eggs and streak but as the show got closer he ate nothing but salad and chicken breast.
Well that little bastard got ripped as hell so must have worked !!
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Thong Maniac: You're not going to stop eating carbs anyway, so why do you care? This is what, the fifth time you're posting about an extremely low carb diet, and you still haven't stopped eating carbs. Either cut the carbs out of your diet, and lose your blubber, or don't, but stop asking the same stupid question over and over.
Someone else posted that Avocados made dogs fat. Yes, Avocados are fruit, and therefore carbs, that no one should be eating on an extremely low carb diet, so yes they make you fat. Animals, bears, deer all eat fruit, carbs, in the autumn, to get fat for winter. You want to get fat, then eat carbs. Works every time.
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It's not possible. If it is excess it will be turned into fat. Entirety of human evolution was to take advantage of caloric excess. It is why we are so efficient at producing fatties now.
Here is an example. A friend of mine had an avocado tree in her backyard. The avocados used to get ripe and fall and her dogs would eat them. Both dogs got fat as shit. Vegetable fats and dogs, but even then, they STILL GOT FAT.
I don't know why I can't stop laughing about this.....
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Bitch to get a good pump without the right carbs...
not to mention being monitored all the time by someone who was just as one-sighted as Mentzer
Mad respect for both, but there are several means to an end. Unlimited.
You gotta have your carbs. You have to be educated about metabolism to even begin to calculate a number for caloric expenditure
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(http://www.joeweider.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/with-Vince-Gironda.jpg)
These two look like a couple of Sandusky sympathizers
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I don't know why I can't stop laughing about this.....
It was very funny. Those dogs were fat. And they were big dogs too, like Labs, not some little weenie dogs.
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(http://www.joeweider.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/with-Vince-Gironda.jpg)
These two look like a couple of Sandusky sympathizers
Gironda looks like a wee little man there. Leprechaunish for St. Patrick's Day?
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Calories in/calories out is nonsense. A complete misapplication of the Laws of Thermodynamics to nutrition.
http://davidgillespie.org/why-the-first-law-of-thermodynamics-has-no-place-in-human-nutrition/
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Calories in/calories out is nonsense. A complete misapplication of the Laws of Thermodynamics to nutrition.
http://davidgillespie.org/why-the-first-law-of-thermodynamics-has-no-place-in-human-nutrition/
Junkbroscience. Did you even read that tripe? I'll stick with the example of concentration camps. No one came out fat. Or a better modern day example, the show Survivor. Restricted calories equal weight loss. Everything else is tinkering.
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Joe: Do you have my diet ready?
Rory: Yes. All protein. no carbs, cheat day on Sunday
Joe: all protein?
Rory: yes. Chicken. Meat, cheese, bacon, eggs, etc. just no carbs.
What I ate...
1- 4-6 eggs w/ground beef
2- 1 pound of ground beef w/ catsup
3- more eggs and maybe some chicken
4- tuna salad w/mayo (if I went to a restaurant I got 2-3 scoops)
5- more red meat.
If I got hungry ( and I was all the time) find some protein. Bacon, cheese or whatever. If it didn't have carbs, eat it.
End result was I got shredded. No mention of calories...ever. Laws of thermodynamics.
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Btw, as the show got closer. Drop the red meat for chicken then drop the chicken for fish. No limit.
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Thong Maniac: You're not going to stop eating carbs anyway, so why do you care? This is what, the fifth time you're posting about an extremely low carb diet, and you still haven't stopped eating carbs. Either cut the carbs out of your diet, and lose your blubber, or don't, but stop asking the same stupid question over and over.
Someone else posted that Avocados made dogs fat. Yes, Avocados are fruit, and therefore carbs, that no one should be eating on an extremely low carb diet, so yes they make you fat. Animals, bears, deer all eat fruit, carbs, in the autumn, to get fat for winter. You want to get fat, then eat carbs. Works every time.
Havnt had carbs but 3 days. Been on AD for 5 weeks ass.
Im hear to learn, whats with your negativity bro. Bad day at the office?
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Joe: Do you have my diet ready?
Rory: Yes. All protein. no carbs, cheat day on Sunday
Joe: all protein?
Rory: yes. Chicken. Meat, cheese, bacon, eggs, etc. just no carbs.
What I ate...
1- 4-6 eggs w/ground beef
2- 1 pound of ground beef w/ catsup
3- more eggs and maybe some chicken
4- tuna salad w/mayo (if I went to a restaurant I got 2-3 scoops)
5- more red meat.
If I got hungry ( and I was all the time) find some protein. Bacon, cheese or whatever. If it didn't have carbs, eat it.
End result was I got shredded. No mention of calories...ever. Laws of thermodynamics.
Sounds impossible
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He DID restrict calories. When he trained Mohamed Makkawy he did variations of eggs and streak but as the show got closer he ate nothing but salad and chicken breast.
This is not accurate. THE BEEF knows Mohamed, and he ate up to 1 kg of meat or fish up to contest time and on other occasions he lived on aminos and dessicated liver for 9 days prior to contest time.
THE BEEF
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Joe: Do you have my diet ready?
Rory: Yes. All protein. no carbs, cheat day on Sunday
Joe: all protein?
Rory: yes. Chicken. Meat, cheese, bacon, eggs, etc. just no carbs.
What I ate...
1- 4-6 eggs w/ground beef
2- 1 pound of ground beef w/ catsup
3- more eggs and maybe some chicken
4- tuna salad w/mayo (if I went to a restaurant I got 2-3 scoops)
5- more red meat.
If I got hungry ( and I was all the time) find some protein. Bacon, cheese or whatever. If it didn't have carbs, eat it.
End result was I got shredded. No mention of calories...ever. Laws of thermodynamics.
I imagine pooping was fun
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Joe: Do you have my diet ready?
Rory: Yes. All protein. no carbs, cheat day on Sunday
Joe: all protein?
Rory: yes. Chicken. Meat, cheese, bacon, eggs, etc. just no carbs.
What I ate...
1- 4-6 eggs w/ground beef
2- 1 pound of ground beef w/ catsup
3- more eggs and maybe some chicken
4- tuna salad w/mayo (if I went to a restaurant I got 2-3 scoops)
5- more red meat.
If I got hungry ( and I was all the time) find some protein. Bacon, cheese or whatever. If it didn't have carbs, eat it.
End result was I got shredded. No mention of calories...ever. Laws of thermodynamics.
Why would you need to count calories on an all protein diet?
Even if you eat 300 gram a day it's only 1200 cals.
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This is not accurate. THE BEEF knows Mohamed, and he ate up to 1 kg of meat or fish up to contest time and on other occasions he lived on aminos and dessicated liver for 9 days prior to contest time.
THE BEEF
This is also true as the show got closer but he did variations meaning beef, eggs liver tabs chicken breast. I have a letter Mohamed wrote me back when he competed explaining how he ate what he took and how he dried out using diuretics and slow k for potassium.
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Why would you need to count calories on an all protein diet?
Even if you eat 300 gram a day it's only 1200 cals.
I don't think it was all pure protein in the beginning. I'm sure because eating yolks and beef so you would have some fat in there too.
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His aerobic was fast & long bike riding ;)
read his book
Funny thing was he was against running.. depleted the Hormones.. ::) you are correct he did ride a Bike. What Book are you referring to? Only book i have from him is "the wild physique" which does show him standing next to a Tour de France style Bike.
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Junkbroscience. Did you even read that tripe? I'll stick with the example of concentration camps. No one came out fat. Or a better modern day example, the show Survivor. Restricted calories equal weight loss. Everything else is tinkering.
Restricted calories = weight loss, but not fat loss. When you restrict calories, your body burns everything, but body fat. The body hoards its body fat. Notice that the restricted concentration camp inmates, didn't have visible abs either, because the body was hoarding body fat on the usual place, the stomach.
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Havnt had carbs but 3 days. Been on AD for 5 weeks ass.
Im hear to learn, whats with your negativity bro. Bad day at the office?
The 5 weeks didn't count because you had cheat days, that fucks up the AD, for body fat loss. Cheat days are only for an AD maintenance diet. That's why you are maintaining your body fat, instead of losing it.
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This is also true as the show got closer but he did variations meaning beef, eggs liver tabs chicken breast. I have a letter Mohamed wrote me back when he competed explaining how he ate what he took and how he dried out using diuretics and slow k for potassium.
Let THE BEEF give him a call . . . not saying you are misleading, its just THE BEEF has not discussed chicken with Mo.
THE BEEF will return,
THE BEEF
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:o :o :o :o end of thread
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I don't think it was all pure protein in the beginning. I'm sure because eating yolks and beef so you would have some fat in there too.
and bacon, mayo and cheese
so likely more fat than protein
basically a keto diet
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Keto diets are calorie restrictive diets in a manor of speaking. When in a ketogenic state you are satisfied by the fats you eat while in ketosis. While you may not actually count calories you will find it doesn't take you all that much food after a week or so on the diet to feel full.
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Keto diets are calorie restrictive diets in a manor of speaking. When in a ketogenic state you are satisfied by the fats you eat while in ketosis. While you may not actually count calories you will find it doesn't take you all that much food after a week or so on the diet to feel full.
Also, when you take out the carbs, you reduce fat intake as well. Pretty much all the high carb foods have a lot of fat, as well: Pizza, cake, cookies, ice cream, Mac & cheese, burgers and fries etc.
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Also, when you take out the carbs, you reduce fat intake as well. Pretty much all the high carb foods have a lot of fat, as well: Pizza, cake, cookies, ice cream, Mac & cheese, burgers and fries etc.
Not true. All grains have little fat, but make you fat. Root crops potatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes, beets, etc, have little fat, but make you fat. Fruit is fructose, a major body fat maker, but most fruits have little fat. Carbs are what really makes people fat.
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Gironda still allowed a high carb meal every fourth day on the low carb diet.
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Not true. All grains have little fat, but make you fat. Root crops potatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes, beets, etc, have little fat, but make you fat. Fruit is fructose, a major body fat maker, but most fruits have little fat. Carbs are what really makes people fat.
De Novo Lipogenesis (carbs stored as fat) is a very minor pathway. Fat is what actually gets stored as fat. The excess carbs create the conditions for this to happen.
Moreover, the body only hoards fat when you get down to low levels. The body doesn't hoard fat when you're at 20%. That's why it's relatively easy to get from 20 to 10, but very hard to get lower.
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Gironda still allowed a high carb meal every four day on the low carb diet.
After a few days, you will most likely open up enough glycogen storage space to get away with it without adding fat.
That said, I'm in the camp that believes if you're gonna diet then diet. No cheat days until you're where you want to be. Cheat days just drag out the process.
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Okinawa Japs eat carbs 3 X daily and they stay slim, no pigging for them ;)
Indians hardly eat any meat protein & they stay lean on carbs food.
Nazi concentration camps diet was 99% carbs & everyone was slim ;D
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Okinawa Japs eat carbs 3 X daily and they stay slim, no pigging for them ;)
Indians hardly eat any meat protein & they stay lean on carbs food.
Nazi concentration camps diet was 99% carbs & everyone was slim ;D
LOL!!!
/thread...
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Restricted calories = weight loss, but not fat loss. When you restrict calories, your body burns everything, but body fat. The body hoards its body fat. Notice that the restricted concentration camp inmates, didn't have visible abs either, because the body was hoarding body fat on the usual place, the stomach.
^
Booooooom.
This.
End of thread.
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Okinawa Japs eat carbs 3 X daily and they stay slim, no pigging for them ;)
Indians hardly eat any meat protein & they stay lean on carbs food.
Nazi concentration camps diet was 99% carbs & everyone was slim ;D
In poor countries, the carbs are just enough to support people's metabolisms. In a rich country like the U.S, the carbs put people in a surplus.
There's a guy named Ben Greenfield who has a fitness podcast. In one episode, he talked about a speaking gig he had on a low carb cruise, and noticing that everyone was fat, and ate huge portions.
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Fact is, we have too much food & too big plates ................
Todays plate is much larger than 1945 one ................
French girls eat bread,cakes,drink champagne & still stay slim ........
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Meals in the concentration camps :
- Morning : imitation coffee (chicory) or 'herbal tea'
- Lunch : 1L of watery soup (turnip or potato peel)
- Evening : 300 gr black bread, tiny piece of sausage or margarine, marmalade or cheese
8)
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Makkawy was my training partner .....you are all full of shit with what you say....BEEF ..Disgusted ....no fkn clue ::)
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Meals in the concentration camps :
- Morning : imitation coffee (chicory) or 'herbal tea'
- Lunch : 1L of watery soup (turnip or potato peel)
- Evening : 300 gr black bread, tiny piece of sausage or margarine, marmalade or cheese
8)
I read that the average American daily caloric intake is 3700. I'd say about 700 is protein with the rest split somewhat evenly between carbs and fat, 350-400 grams for the former, 150-200 for the latter.
So, the "cure" for the obesity epidemic is to simply cut carb and fat intake in half.
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Makkawy was my training partner .....you are all full of shit with what you say....BEEF ..Disgusted ....no fkn clue ::)
was he as racist as they say?
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Why would you need to count calories on an all protein diet?
Even if you eat 300 gram a day it's only 1200 cals.
If it is surrounded by another 300g of fat then that's another 2700 calories for a total of 3900 calories.
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The 5 weeks didn't count because you had cheat days, that fucks up the AD, for body fat loss. Cheat days are only for an AD maintenance diet. That's why you are maintaining your body fat, instead of losing it.
Bro u really think that no fat loss is occuring because i refilled glycogen 3 days out of 40-45 days? Wtf?
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Bro u really think that no fat loss is occuring because i refilled glycogen 3 days out of 40-45 days? Wtf?
Yes. And, what is this 3 days out of 40-45 days shit? You said you were pigging out on carbs, like crazy, every Sunday. As I've told you before, either do it right, or forget about it. If it comes from a plant don't eat it, even if it's fats and proteins from plants.
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Let THE BEEF give him a call . . . not saying you are misleading, its just THE BEEF has not discussed chicken with Mo.
THE BEEF will return,
THE BEEF
Well I have a letter written by him so I'll go with that.
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Ron needs to add a tagging function. I would tag Strawman in this thread in a heartbeat.
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Ron needs to add a tagging function. I would tag Strawman in this thread in a heartbeat.
getbig does have a fb page, could do your "fag tag" there!
(could not resist that one...)
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getbig does have a fb page, could do your "fag tag" there!
(could not resist that one...)
Lol
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And don't argue with some idiot over the Internet about whether something like this does or does not work. Just give it a try if you think it will work for about 3-4 weeks. Easy to find out for yourself whether it works or not with a tape measure and a scale and a mirror.
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I read that the average American daily caloric intake is 3700. I'd say about 700 is protein with the rest split somewhat evenly between carbs and fat, 350-400 grams for the former, 150-200 for the latter.
So, the "cure" for the obesity epidemic is to simply cut carb and fat intake in half.
+ all those added preservatives, colours, salt & fuck knows what else ..................... ::)
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Low-carb diets have got it all wrong?
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets
What's the truth about T3 and testosterone on low-carb?
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Well I have a letter written by him so I'll go with that.
You assume it was written by him.
THE BEEF
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Low-carb diets have got it all wrong?
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets
What's the truth about T3 and testosterone on low-carb?
The truth is that hormone levels rise when you eat carbs, because the body needs the hormones to fight the inflammation, that eating carbs causes in your body. What is considered a "normal" T-3 level today, would have been considered a high T-3 level 150 years ago, if they could have checked those levels back then, because they ate way fewer carbs, back then. Adrenal, thyroid, and other glands are burning out on today's high carb diet. Why do you think there is this epidemic of Type II Diabetes? Diabetes isn't a communicable disease. It's caused entirely by high carb diet. The higher testosterone levels found in people with high carb diet, aren't being used to build muscle tissue, but to fight the inflammation caused by eating carbs. Why do you think testosterone levels have fallen for young men over the years? Because the gland is burning out, because of high carb intake, and can't produce enough for guys in their 30s.
Hormones are made from proteins and fats. No hormones are made from carbohydrates. Carbs are not essential for human health, so there is really no reason to eat them at all.
"you feel lousy, spaced-out, sluggish, cranky...and maybe even sick," on an extremely low carb diet. Yes, those are withdrawal symptoms. They go away after a few weeks when you get over your carb addiction.
The keto diet is a high fat (70%) and Protein (30%) diet, with well under 10% carbs per meal. And that's what low carb fat loss diet needs to work in a reasonable amount of time. Diets with 30%+ carbs being called "low carb" is absurd.
If you don't want to live with the extremely low carb lifestyle, then fine, don't do it, but don't make up lies about it. The "food" industry wants everyone to pay high prices for cheaply produced carbs, and the "medical" industry profits mightily from you eating carbs too.
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It's actually Painful to read Eric C posts cos you can tell he actually thinks he's correct.
Jesus Christ
Calorie deficit. Adequate protein. Essential Fats. Rest whatever you want.
The End!
Any Carbs make you fat o brother
Brb gna melt a stick of butter in my coffee
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Ron needs to add a tagging function. I would tag Strawman in this thread in a heartbeat.
I don't even know what that means
say whatever you want
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It's actually Painful to read Eric C posts cos you can tell he actually thinks he's correct
Brb gna melt a stick of butter in my coffee
You couldn't respond intelligently to my post, because I am correct.
Heavy cream mixes quicker in coffee, but coffee is a carb, a carb addiction, most people don't have the will power to overcome.
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You couldn't respond intelligently to my post, because I am correct.
Heavy cream mixes quicker in coffee, but coffee is a carb, a carb addiction, most people don't have the will power to overcome.
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Vince's "Steak and Eggs" Diet...The Steak and Eggs Diet
The diet is very much what it sounds like…
…You eat steak and eggs either cooked in butter, or any way you want. You could eat the eggs raw, boiled, etc. You could also eat the meat raw if that’s your thing.
1. On the diet you eat only 2 times a day. No snacking or any bullshit like that. Either by eating a breakfast and supper, or lunch and dinner.
Meal number #1 is 3/4 lb to 1 1/2 pounds of steak and 4-6 eggs with butter, raw, or anyway you want to eat them.
Meal number #2 is exactly the same as meal number 1.
2. You don’t count calories and you don’t have to measure the butter you’re using when cooking, as much as you like is the right way to go in this diet.
3. Every 5th day is a “cheat day”. You can eat whatever the fuck you want. By this I mean whatever you want.
4. Repeat.
That’s it. Simple and extremely effective. Your fat will just melt away. Guaranteed.
This is the ultimate no-bullshit diet. It doesn’t require anything else than willpower and willpower only.
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Keto diets are calorie restrictive diets in a manor of speaking. When in a ketogenic state you are satisfied by the fats you eat while in ketosis. While you may not actually count calories you will find it doesn't take you all that much food after a week or so on the diet to feel full.
yes, I've definitely noticed this too and this is one of the advantages for the average person who is used to eating carbs and being hungry all the time
It's odd that coach says he was eating multiple pounds of meat, eggs, dairy, etc.. and also was hungry all the time
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everything is a carb to him... Anything consumed other than protein+fat is an addiction. Dude needs help
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LET ME EXPLAIN THE BASIC OF FAT LOSS FOR THE RETARDED OF GETBIG :
-LOW CARB DIET MAKE YOU FAT IF YOU ARE IN CALORIE SURPLUS !!!
-LOW CARB DIET MAKE YOU LEAN IF YOU ARE IN CALORIE DEFICIT !!!
MOREOVER
- HIGH CARB DIET MAKE YOU FAT IF YOU ARE IN CALORIE SURPLUS !!!
- HIGH CARB DIET MAKE YOU LEAN IF YOU ARE IN CALORIE DEFICIT !!!
THE SAME THING HAPPEN WHEN YOU ARE ON HIGH PROTEIN OR HIGH FAT DIET !!!
THIS MEANS THAT WHAT COUNT ON FAT LOSS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE IN A CALORIE DEFICIT !!!
END OF THE FUCKING THREAD !!! ;)
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LET ME EXPLAIN THE BASIC OF FAT LOSS ***ACCORDING*** TO THE RETARDED OF GETBIG :
-LOW CARB DIET MAKE YOU FAT IF YOU ARE IN CALORIE SURPLUS !!!
-LOW CARB DIET MAKE YOU LEAN IF YOU ARE IN CALORIE DEFICIT !!!
MOREOVER
- HIGH CARB DIET MAKE YOU FAT IF YOU ARE IN CALORIE SURPLUS !!!
- HIGH CARB DIET MAKE YOU LEAN IF YOU ARE IN CALORIE DEFICIT !!!
THE SAME HAPPEN WHEN YOU ARE ON HIGH PROTEIN OR HIGH FAT DIET !!!
THIS MEANS THAT WHAT COUNT ON FAT LOSS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE IN A CALORIE DEFICIT !!!
END OF THE FUCKING THREAD !!! ;)
Fixed!
Calories in/Calories out isn't scientific. It's just a misapplication of a science principle, to where it doesn't belong. Posting this again for those who don't read the whole thread before they post:
http://davidgillespie.org/why-the-first-law-of-thermodynamics-has-no-place-in-human-nutrition/
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Fixed!
Calories in/Calories out isn't scientific. It's just a misapplication of a science principle, to where it doesn't belong. Posting this again for those who don't read the whole thread before they post:
http://davidgillespie.org/why-the-first-law-of-thermodynamics-has-no-place-in-human-nutrition/
Got to say.. in regards to the exercise part, which was two lines.. your body emulsifies fat like a burning furnace...only if you do it regular. This is the key, regular training. I know Athletes who eat like horses to fuel their training but never get fat. Why? regular running... The Human body was made to walk long distance.
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Calories in/Calories out isn't scientific. It's just a misapplication of a science principle, to where it doesn't belong. Posting this again for those who don't read the whole thread before they post:
http://davidgillespie.org/why-the-first-law-of-thermodynamics-has-no-place-in-human-nutrition/
So we can use other dumb people to support our dumb ideas and suddenly that makes it correct? Going to have to use that technique sometime.
Only read a little bit of that but the very fact that he says that it is pushed calories in/calories out to misinform everyone shows his nonsense. That is actually not pushed as much as all the fake fad diets nowadays (including low carb, etc.). It's the complete opposite actually. People want no accountability and would love to be told eat as much as you want and as long as it is protein/fat you won't gain an ounce of fat, etc. Sounds like you are the one doing the pushing....
Starting to think you are somebody's gimmick just to rile people up with the complete and utter impossibilities you've been posting.
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Only read a little bit of that but
Right, but you're not dumb.
I'm not pushing anything. Don't care what others do. In fact, I only posted on threads where the OP was asking specifically about how to do low carb diets. Why would you respond to those threads,(such as this thread), when you don't even like the idea of any extremely low carb diet? Seems you are the one whose cage is being rattled, any time someone mentions low carb. Get that checked.
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Thank you for acknowledging that and not acknowledging the point made about that article.
Also, my main issue with you is that you promote eating unlimited amounts of food and not gaining fat as long as protein/fat which is a straight out falsity. OP questioned this in opening statement in general. I actually have nothing against low carb and have stated this. Did I like it for me? Nope but some love it and that is fine but don't want them to be deluded into thinking what you state about calories and from the looks of this thread and the last few you have posted in people are realizing the issues with your "theory".
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Thank you for acknowledging that and not acknowledging the point made about that article.
You didn't make any point about the article, because you didn't read it, to be able to comment on it intelligently! So I acknowledged that you posted something dumb.
The OP is a bodybuilder. To Get Big, you have to Eat Big. I wasn't advising the average Weight Watchers type dieter.
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I don't even know what that means
say whatever you want
http://gravitas.us.com/landing-pages/mpf-training-systems/fat-loss-challenge/
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Low-carb diets have got it all wrong?
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets
What's the truth about T3 and testosterone on low-carb?
We're PN certified. It's a good cert.
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You assume it was written by him.
THE BEEF
Well I'm not assuming you know anything about him so we're even. :D
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http://gravitas.us.com/landing-pages/mpf-training-systems/fat-loss-challenge/
something youre doing for motivation
I recall you complaing you couldnt lose weight?
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something youre doing for motivation
I recall you complaing you couldnt lose weight?
Me? Lol
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We're PN certified. It's a good cert.
It's good but it's no CSN MFT.
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Me? Lol
weren't you complaining the the thread about Alex A that you couldn't lose weight?
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weren't you complaining the the thread about Alex A that you couldn't lose weight?
Mmm, not that can recall.
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Ahahahahahahaha
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Try it if you think it is going to work, whatever it is, low carb, hi fat whatever. You will know within a month whether it works. Simple. Franco said, if it works it works, no matter what anyone says. If you can't try something for a month and tell if it is working then you got bigger problems.
All these gurus and people with theories are trying to sell you something. When it doesn't work, they'll come up with some bullshit excuse or claim you didn't follow their instructions. Ask for a 100 percent money back guarantee. Anyone willing to give this might be on the level.
Tape measure yourself. Weigh yourself. Look at yourself in the mirror.
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We're PN certified. It's a good cert.
Does that mean you agree with PN on the hormonal issue?
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Does that mean you agree with PN on the hormonal issue?
Honesty it's been so long since I've taken it I would have to go back over it. I forgot what was even said.
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Mmm, not that can recall.
dude
memory much?
I couldn't agree with you more. Even though I think I'm in decent shape at my weight (last BF test was about 45 days ago at 15.6% 232) and conditioning isn't bad I'm carrying way too much BW not just for my height but my age. The last time I was down in the 190's was the Excalbur in 07'. If I could hit 195-200 I think I should be good. If that doesnt work...off to the doc for some testing.
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dude
memory much?
So where in that does it say I couldn't lose weight? And if you remeber my posts better than I do then I take up more real estate in your head than I thought. Besides. I've seen your pics. You're not even in my universe.
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So where in that does it say I couldn't lose weight? And if you remeber my posts better than I do then I take up more real estate in your head than I thought. Besides. I've seen your pics. You're not even in my universe.
this was 1/27/15.
not that difficult to 'remember'.
I don't know how you could have seen a picture of me but if you think you have one or a link to one then you have my permission to post it
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this was 1/27/15.
not that difficult to 'remember'.
I don't know how you could have seen a picture of me but if you think you have one or a link to one then you have my permission to post it
Again, where does it say I couldn't lose weight? I don't make remembering posts from almost two months ago a priority. Try again. Also, archer said you'd deny it was you.
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Again, where does it say I couldn't lose weight? I don't make remembering posts from almost two months ago a priority. Try again. Also, archer said you'd deny it was you.
I don't know archer or anyone else who posts here
you have my permission to post any picture or link to a picture you believe is me
have at it
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Clarence Bass meals:
Morning snack: 1 banana
Breakfast:
Cereal (hot or cold)
1 cup cooked whole oat groats
1 tablespoon raisins
1 tablespoon of protein powder
3 tablespoons rolled oats
1 tablespoon bran
1 cup grade A raw milk
1 sliced banana
Lunch:
Peanut butter sandwich
1 cup plain yogurt
1 raw carrot
1 banana
Mid-afternoon snack: 2 apples
Dinner:
Whole grain rice & beans (1 cup rice,1/2 cup beans)
1 diced carrot
1 diced pear
1 cup plain yogurt
2 slices whole wheat toast
Evening snack:
1 cup grade A raw milk
2 tablespoons protein powder
1 apple
Copied from C.Bass 'Ripped 2'
:)
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I don't know archer or anyone else who posts here
you have my permission to post any picture or link to a picture you believe is me
have at it
You can't even answer my question and no. archer ready did that, I have couldn't careless. But you're the one who likes talk shit about my son. Like I said. You have a serious screw loose.
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You can't even answer my question and no. archer ready did that, I have couldn't careless. But you're the one who likes talk shit about my son. Like I said. You have a serious screw loose.
Everyone can see your post where you talk about your difficulty in losing weight.
I don't know why you would have a problem with your own words.
Archer doesn't know me and I don't know him.
If you think he posted pictures of me then you have my permission to re-post them here.
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Well I'm not assuming you know anything about him so we're even. :D
Typical response from a punk. You ever talk like that to THE BEEF again and THE BEEF will smack you in the mouth.
THE BEEF
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Typical response from a punk. You ever talk like that to THE BEEF again and THE BEEF will smack you in the mouth.
THE BEEF
Sorry I do recall seeing you in all the mags training with Mohamed. ;D
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Sorry I do recall seeing you in all the mags training with Mohamed. ;D
THE BEEF is a personal friend who has known him for years. Known him enough to tell you - AS FACT - not all letters were written by those people who you sent your money to
. Dick.
THE BEEF
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Everyone can see your post where you talk about your difficulty in losing weight.
I don't know why you would have a problem with your own words.
Archer doesn't know me and I don't know him.
If you think he posted pictures of me then you have my permission to re-post them here.
You dumb shit. We were talking about apnea and snoring in that thread!!!
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yes, I've definitely noticed this too and this is one of the advantages for the average person who is used to eating carbs and being hungry all the time
It's odd that coach says he was eating multiple pounds of meat, eggs, dairy, etc.. and also was hungry all the time
Straw I think that's because hes not as carb sensitive as some folks. I respond very well to keto diets and end up being stuffed after a large green salad with ranch, a 12oz steak and some veggies. Coach might find that his body responds better to a different style of diet like calorie restrictive or fasting 2 days a week. you never know until you experiment.
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THE BEEF is a personal friend who has known him for years. Known him enough to tell you - AS FACT - not all letters were written by those people who you sent your money to
. Dick.
THE BEEF
Yeah personal friend. Ah yeah OK ::)
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Back to the hormone issue:
http://cristivlad.com/thyroid-hormone-levels-and-very-low-carb-ketogenic-nutrition/
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Yeah personal friend. Ah yeah OK ::)
What a fucken zero. A poorly spent $45. Lol.
THE BEEF
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What a fucken zero. A poorly spent $45. Lol.
THE BEEF
Maybe you can get me a refund next time your hanging out with him training. ::)
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What a fucken zero. A poorly spent $45. Lol.
THE BEEF
How did he diet?
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How did he diet?
Low carb.
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The truth is that hormone levels rise when you eat carbs, because the body needs the hormones to fight the inflammation, that eating carbs causes in your body. What is considered a "normal" T-3 level today, would have been considered a high T-3 level 150 years ago, if they could have checked those levels back then, because they ate way fewer carbs, back then. Adrenal, thyroid, and other glands are burning out on today's high carb diet. Why do you think there is this epidemic of Type II Diabetes? Diabetes isn't a communicable disease. It's caused entirely by high carb diet. The higher testosterone levels found in people with high carb diet, aren't being used to build muscle tissue, but to fight the inflammation caused by eating carbs. Why do you think testosterone levels have fallen for young men over the years? Because the gland is burning out, because of high carb intake, and can't produce enough for guys in their 30s.
Hormones are made from proteins and fats. No hormones are made from carbohydrates. Carbs are not essential for human health, so there is really no reason to eat them at all.
"you feel lousy, spaced-out, sluggish, cranky...and maybe even sick," on an extremely low carb diet. Yes, those are withdrawal symptoms. They go away after a few weeks when you get over your carb addiction.
The keto diet is a high fat (70%) and Protein (30%) diet, with well under 10% carbs per meal. And that's what low carb fat loss diet needs to work in a reasonable amount of time. Diets with 30%+ carbs being called "low carb" is absurd.
If you don't want to live with the extremely low carb lifestyle, then fine, don't do it, but don't make up lies about it. The "food" industry wants everyone to pay high prices for cheaply produced carbs, and the "medical" industry profits mightily from you eating carbs too.
excellent post
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excellent post
Thank you. The facts should be out there to help everyone.
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Low carb.
Yes, but his first post implied he did some sort of super low calorie diet as well with the "living on desicatted liver tabs...."
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Yes, but his first post implied he did some sort of super low calorie diet as well with the "living on desicatted liver tabs...."
You cannot eat unlimited amounts of just protein and fat and not get fat. Any huckster trying to sell you that shit should be pummeled.
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It's not possible. If it is excess it will be turned into fat. Entirety of human evolution was to take advantage of caloric excess. It is why we are so efficient at producing fatties now.
Here is an example. A friend of mine had an avocado tree in her backyard. The avocados used to get ripe and fall and her dogs would eat them. Both dogs got fat as shit. Vegetable fats and dogs, but even then, they STILL GOT FAT.
Let me poke holes in your story. Avocados DO NOT get ripe on the tree. It's only when they're picked or fall that the ripening process begins. It takes about 3 weeks before they're even edible. I know this because I have a couple big trees.
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You cannot eat unlimited amounts of just protein and fat and not get fat. Any huckster trying to sell you that shit should be pummeled.
Why are you quoting me?
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You cannot eat unlimited amounts of just protein and fat and not get fat. Any huckster trying to sell you that shit should be pummeled.
You're wrong as usual! No charge!
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You cannot eat unlimited amounts of just protein and fat and not get fat. Any huckster trying to sell you that shit should be pummeled.
Im coming to realize this, however, i can see how this form of eating would be GREAT for an endo who wants to grow. I was growing on 3200 cals a day of AD, And kept waist size. Cutting on this seems pointless so far since it all comes down to cals.
i can definitely see the benefit of starting the AD once you are lean like 8-10, and want to put on lean tissue
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All I know, people who live Keto life style, look like they aged 10-20 years. No wonder, it also depletes all your water under your skin. Another reason I'm against no carb is:
"A bodybuilders myoctyes (muscle cells) have a massive bias to being predominately fast twitch fibres compared to the slow twitch fibre of say a marathon runner or maybe cross country skier. Fast twitch fibres can generate more force but slow twitch fibres are better at utilising oxygen and fats because of a higher mitochondrial density. While fast twitch fibres need to carry out quick processes this requires immediate energy in the form of glucose, ATP, and creatinephosphate.
Someone on a low carb diet could never hope to train as hard as someone consuming a high carb diet, physiologically it doen’t make sense. The conversion of proteins and fats to products that can be readily utilised as a energy source is simply not as quick as glycolysis or glucose. While if you consider a low carb dieter may consume the vast majority of carb prior to training and after to compensate for this sadly the figures just don’t add up. Muscle glycogen stores between 200 – 400g the liver between 40 – 90g A high carb meal around 40- 80g wouldn’t even make a dent in those numbers and would never guarantee the muscle of choice would be topped up."
http://www.musclechat.co.uk/f105/high-protein-low-carb-diets-poor-fit-natural-bodybuilder-part-1-a-35813/
From a UK natural champion, also PhD nutritionist.
I stick to my carbs, since I also enjoy other sports.
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All I know, people who live Keto life style, look like they aged 10-20 years. No wonder, it also depletes all your water under your skin. Another reason I'm against no carb is:
"A bodybuilders myoctyes (muscle cells) have a massive bias to being predominately fast twitch fibres compared to the slow twitch fibre of say a marathon runner or maybe cross country skier. Fast twitch fibres can generate more force but slow twitch fibres are better at utilising oxygen and fats because of a higher mitochondrial density. While fast twitch fibres need to carry out quick processes this requires immediate energy in the form of glucose, ATP, and creatinephosphate.
Someone on a low carb diet could never hope to train as hard as someone consuming a high carb diet, physiologically it doen’t make sense. The conversion of proteins and fats to products that can be readily utilised as a energy source is simply not as quick as glycolysis or glucose. While if you consider a low carb dieter may consume the vast majority of carb prior to training and after to compensate for this sadly the figures just don’t add up. Muscle glycogen stores between 200 – 400g the liver between 40 – 90g A high carb meal around 40- 80g wouldn’t even make a dent in those numbers and would never guarantee the muscle of choice would be topped up."
http://www.musclechat.co.uk/f105/high-protein-low-carb-diets-poor-fit-natural-bodybuilder-part-1-a-35813/
From a UK natural champion, also PhD nutritionist.
I stick to my carbs, since I also enjoy other sports.
Amen, great post!!!
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All I know, people who live Keto life style, look like they aged 10-20 years. No wonder, it also depletes all your water under your skin. Another reason I'm against no carb is:
"A bodybuilders myoctyes (muscle cells) have a massive bias to being predominately fast twitch fibres compared to the slow twitch fibre of say a marathon runner or maybe cross country skier. Fast twitch fibres can generate more force but slow twitch fibres are better at utilising oxygen and fats because of a higher mitochondrial density. While fast twitch fibres need to carry out quick processes this requires immediate energy in the form of glucose, ATP, and creatinephosphate.
Someone on a low carb diet could never hope to train as hard as someone consuming a high carb diet, physiologically it doen’t make sense. The conversion of proteins and fats to products that can be readily utilised as a energy source is simply not as quick as glycolysis or glucose. While if you consider a low carb dieter may consume the vast majority of carb prior to training and after to compensate for this sadly the figures just don’t add up. Muscle glycogen stores between 200 – 400g the liver between 40 – 90g A high carb meal around 40- 80g wouldn’t even make a dent in those numbers and would never guarantee the muscle of choice would be topped up."
http://www.musclechat.co.uk/f105/high-protein-low-carb-diets-poor-fit-natural-bodybuilder-part-1-a-35813/
From a UK natural champion, also PhD nutritionist.
I stick to my carbs, since I also enjoy other sports.
So my argument to this is...
1. Training with weights for 45min to an hour IS NOT HARD. Your body can handle that without carbs. Its not marathon training
2. Of course for performance, carbs are ideal and NEEDEd. Power lifting, marathons, high impact strenous endeavors should utilize carbs. Gym rats lifting for hypertrophy...not really needed
3. Even the author of AD says carbs are needed if performance is the goal.
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So my argument to this is...
1. Training with weights for 45min to an hour IS NOT HARD. Your body can handle that without carbs. Its not marathon training
2. Of course for performance, carbs are ideal and NEEDEd. Power lifting, marathons, high impact strenous endeavors should utilize carbs. Gym rats lifting for hypertrophy...not really needed
3. Even the author of AD says carbs are needed if performance is the goal.
EEESSSsHHHHhhh, maybe the way you do it. But did quads yesterday in 35ish mins and was depleted and tired as shit. Please tell me you had serious morning fog when you posted that or simply made a mistake. REading that is such a face palm, dear lord...
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Pretty interesting dude.
He always looked kinda sick - especially in later years. Whenever I see a photo of him I have to think of glam rock and "trick or treat".
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EEESSSsHHHHhhh, maybe the way you do it. But did quads yesterday in 35ish mins and was depleted and tired as shit. Please tell me you had serious morning fog when you posted that or simply made a mistake. REading that is such a face palm, dear lord...
Im comparing a session of weights to training for legit athletic events like track meets, marathons, etc.
i think people really over state the amount of carbs needed for the average gym rats session of 12 sets with 2 minutes rest and chatting between each set.
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Let me poke holes in your story. Avocados DO NOT get ripe on the tree. It's only when they're picked or fall that the ripening process begins. It takes about 3 weeks before they're even edible. I know this because I have a couple big trees.
Look, this story definitely happened. Now maybe I got it wrong and the avocados were falling from the tree onto the ground and the dogs were eating them, but it definitely happened. I stood there in the back yard and saw the avocado trees and witnessed said fat dogs.
On another point whoever posted that it was the carbs in the avocados making the dogs fat is a moron.
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On another point whoever posted that it was the carbs in the avocados making the dogs fat is a moron.
It was the carbs in the avocados that made the dogs fat. There are nine grams of carbs in a cup of pureed avocado, and the dogs were eating the skins of the fruit too, and that would be way more carbs. Also plant based fats are bad to eat, and can be turned to body fat by eating them with carbs that spike insulin levels to fat creation levels in the body.
The good fats are from animal sources.
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Yes, I'm sure it was the carbs and not the 4-5 times as many calories of fat in each avocado.
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Im comparing a session of weights to training for legit athletic events like track meets, marathons, etc.
i think people really over state the amount of carbs needed for the average gym rats session of 12 sets with 2 minutes rest and chatting between each set.
It's not about what's needed, it's about what's optimal. You don't "need" all that protein either really, but chose to take more as you get better results, see what I'm getting at? But you seem to do well lower carb and that's very possible.
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Add it up...
Avocado
Fruit
The avocado is a tree native to Mexico and Central America, classified in the flowering plant family Lauraceae along with cinnamon, camphor and bay laurel. Wikipedia
Nutrition Facts
Avocados
Amount Per
100 grams
Calories 160
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 15 g 23%
Saturated fat 2.1 g 10%
Polyunsaturated fat 1.8 g
Monounsaturated fat 10 g
Cholesterol 0 mg 0%
Sodium 7 mg 0%
Potassium 485 mg 13%
Total Carbohydrate 9 g 3%
Dietary fiber 7 g 28%
Sugar 0.7 g
Protein 2 g 4%
Vitamin A 2% Vitamin C 16%
Calcium 1% Iron 3%
Vitamin D 0% Vitamin B-6 15%
Vitamin B-12 0% Magnesium 7%
*Per cent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
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Yes, I'm sure it was the carbs and not the 4-5 times as many calories of fat in each avocado.
The reason the Keto movement has failed to succeed, other than temporarily, is that it's based on the flawed assumption that Americans eat a high carb, low fat diet. When in reality, Americans eat a high carb, high fat diet.
This miscalculation has resulted in Keto dieters attempting to replace the carbs removed from the diet with fats. So, guys like Fat Jimmy Moore (left, below), Author of "Keto Clarity" are dousing everything with oil, guzzling heavy cream, and not seeing results.
In their food addicts minds, they're on the right path, and while they're still fat they're fat for the right reasons.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/0F4DBB5E-6113-4B19-BBB3-E4EDABD21439_zpssit6qtsl.png)
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The reason the Keto movement has failed to succeed, other than temporarily, is that it's based on the flawed assumption that Americans eat a high carb, low fat diet. When in reality, Americans eat a high carb, high fat diet.
This miscalculation has resulted in Keto dieters attempting to replace the carbs removed from the diet with fats. So, guys like Fat Jimmy Moore (left, below), Author of "Keto Clarity" are dousing everything with oil, guzzling heavy cream, and not seeing results.
In their food addicts minds, they're on the right path, and while they're still fat they're fat for the right reasons.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/0F4DBB5E-6113-4B19-BBB3-E4EDABD21439_zpssit6qtsl.png)
No. The reason some keto, and low carb diets, fail, is that they're not real low carb diets at all, just BS published as "low carb," by fifth column phonies, secretly promoted by the food industry. People try diets, falsely labeled as "low carb," or "keto," don't get results, then say those diets don't work.
Jimmy Moore is a deliberate fraud. Use your brain. Why would anyone, try any diet, promoted by a fat slob?
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You're just pretending there's no difference between 2k and 3k calories. What exactly happens to that extra 1k? And, don't tell training. Bodybuilding doesn't burn much fat.
We're really not far apart. You just won't concede that calories matter.
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You're just pretending there's no difference between 2k and 3k calories. What exactly happens to that extra 1k? And, don't tell training. Bodybuilding doesn't burn much fat.
We're really not far apart. You just won't concede that calories matter.
As long as they're not carb calories, then they don't matter. Don't eat sugars and starches, and only less than 10% green and leafy vegetables, as your only carbs, then you can eat all the fats and proteins, from animal sources, in roughly 70% fats and 30% protein portions, that you want, or can eat, and you not only won't get fat, in fact you will lose body fat.
Not a complicated plan that I could publish and make a big buck off of, just a simple word to the wise. Again, if you want to GetBig, then you have to EatBig. Worked for the Old Skool guys, and no drugs needed.
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Calories do matter Erik. I basically experimented on myself with the AD and didnt start shredding up until i dropped the cals into the low 2000s
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Calories do matter Erik. I basically experimented on myself with the AD and didnt start shredding up until i dropped the cals into the low 2000s
NO. You kept eating carbs. You were pretending to do AD.
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NO. You kept eating carbs. You were pretending to do AD.
Ok sure, well when i want to gain size ill eat high calories.
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Ok sure, well when i want to gain size ill eat high calories.
Sure. More carb calories. That's what you did already, bulking, eating carbs, making body fat, not muscle tissue. Eating more carb calories just makes you fat, and "dieting down" doesn't create muscle tissue. But, whatever.
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Sure. More carb calories. That's what you did already, bulking, eating carbs, making body fat, not muscle tissue. Eating more carb calories just makes you fat, and "dieting down" doesn't create muscle tissue. But, whatever.
Ok cool thanks man!!!!