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This is the result of libtards' campaign on minimum wage increases and their attacks on businesses, like Wal-Mart, for paying their employees what they are worth.
Seeking to increase pressure on McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants, organizers of a movement demanding a $15-an-hour wage for fast-food workers say they will sponsor one-day strikes in 100 cities on Thursday and protest activities in 100 additional cities.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/business/economy/wage-strikes-planned-at-fast-food-outlets-in-100-cities.html?_r=0
(December 1, 2013)
Seeking to increase pressure on McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants, organizers of a movement demanding a $15-an-hour wage for fast-food workers say they will sponsor one-day strikes in 100 cities on Thursday and protest activities in 100 additional cities.
As the movement struggles to find pressure points in its quest for substantially higher wages for workers, organizers said strikes were planned for the first time in cities like Charleston, S.C.; Providence, R.I.; and Pittsburgh.
The protests have expanded greatly since November 2012, when 200 fast-food workers engaged in a one-day strike at more than 20 restaurants in New York City, the first such walkout in the history of the nation’s fast-food industry.
Officials with the National Restaurant Association have said the one-day strikes are publicity stunts. They warn that increasing pay to $15 an hour when the federal minimum wage is $7.25 would cause restaurants to rely more on automation and hire fewer workers.
Industry officials say that only a small percentage of fast-food jobs pay the minimum wage and that those are largely entry-level jobs for workers under 25.
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So if fast food workers ever get paid $15 and hour, then how much should Wal-Mart stockers get? $30 an hour? Does that sound fair?
Idiots.
How much are you willing to pay for the goods at wal-mart, McD's? Libtards think that they won't have to pay for it. As if the corporations are just going to hand it over from their funds.
The wage increase will get passed on to the consumer.
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Cutting off nose to spite face. Very short-sighted and wrongheaded approach. All consumers will suffer. But those people just don't get it.
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Increase wages for no reason.
Increase them for workers that are not worth such wage increases. There is no fast food worker alive whose productivity is worth $15/hr. NONE.
Those increases will result in higher cost of goods, loss of jobs, and eventually it could bankrupt businesses.
Of course libtards forget that the giant corporations are not the only businesses bound by those wage increases. Did they forget about the small business, the mom and pop shops? Yeah, lets make it harder on the middle class. What is left of it.
Morons.
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"We have no skills but we demand a skilled wage!!!"
lulz, fucking dumbasses. I wonder if peoole working at a skilled job will quit and start flipping burgers at mcdonalds?
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"We have no skills but we demand a skilled wage!!!"
lulz, fucking dumbasses. I wonder if peoole working at a skilled job will quit and start flipping burgers at mcdonalds?
Hey!!! >:(
It takes mad skillz to whip up a Big Mac and not ralf into it. ;D
i guess they're trying to say inflations is getting so out of hand that $15/hr is no longer a skilled wage.
But I've always contended that wages are better than profits!
Wanna meet a McD's worker making $5,000 per week?
Wanna meet an unemployed person making 6 figures a month?
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This is the result of libtards' campaign on minimum wage increases and their attacks on businesses, like Wal-Mart, for paying their employees what they are worth.
Seeking to increase pressure on McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants, organizers of a movement demanding a $15-an-hour wage for fast-food workers say they will sponsor one-day strikes in 100 cities on Thursday and protest activities in 100 additional cities.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/business/economy/wage-strikes-planned-at-fast-food-outlets-in-100-cities.html?_r=0
(December 1, 2013)
Seeking to increase pressure on McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants, organizers of a movement demanding a $15-an-hour wage for fast-food workers say they will sponsor one-day strikes in 100 cities on Thursday and protest activities in 100 additional cities.
As the movement struggles to find pressure points in its quest for substantially higher wages for workers, organizers said strikes were planned for the first time in cities like Charleston, S.C.; Providence, R.I.; and Pittsburgh.
The protests have expanded greatly since November 2012, when 200 fast-food workers engaged in a one-day strike at more than 20 restaurants in New York City, the first such walkout in the history of the nation’s fast-food industry.
Officials with the National Restaurant Association have said the one-day strikes are publicity stunts. They warn that increasing pay to $15 an hour when the federal minimum wage is $7.25 would cause restaurants to rely more on automation and hire fewer workers.
Industry officials say that only a small percentage of fast-food jobs pay the minimum wage and that those are largely entry-level jobs for workers under 25.
Greedy bastards :P
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This is the result of libtards' campaign on minimum wage increases and their attacks on businesses, like Wal-Mart, for paying their employees what they are worth.
Seeking to increase pressure on McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants, organizers of a movement demanding a $15-an-hour wage for fast-food workers say they will sponsor one-day strikes in 100 cities on Thursday and protest activities in 100 additional cities.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/business/economy/wage-strikes-planned-at-fast-food-outlets-in-100-cities.html?_r=0
(December 1, 2013)
Seeking to increase pressure on McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants, organizers of a movement demanding a $15-an-hour wage for fast-food workers say they will sponsor one-day strikes in 100 cities on Thursday and protest activities in 100 additional cities.
As the movement struggles to find pressure points in its quest for substantially higher wages for workers, organizers said strikes were planned for the first time in cities like Charleston, S.C.; Providence, R.I.; and Pittsburgh.
The protests have expanded greatly since November 2012, when 200 fast-food workers engaged in a one-day strike at more than 20 restaurants in New York City, the first such walkout in the history of the nation’s fast-food industry.
Officials with the National Restaurant Association have said the one-day strikes are publicity stunts. They warn that increasing pay to $15 an hour when the federal minimum wage is $7.25 would cause restaurants to rely more on automation and hire fewer workers.
Industry officials say that only a small percentage of fast-food jobs pay the minimum wage and that those are largely entry-level jobs for workers under 25.
I think it's a good deal, but sorry if it prices you out of fast food.
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"We have no skills but we demand a skilled wage!!!"
lulz, fucking dumbasses. I wonder if peoole working at a skilled job will quit and start flipping burgers at mcdonalds?
exactly these idiots dont realize that if they get what they want they will probably be replaced by more qualified applicants.
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I propose a federally mandated law upping the minimum wage to 50, no make that 75 dollars an hour and new shiny first place trophies mailed in to every United States citizen, and all
illegal aliens undocumented workers at the beginning of each year.
Then we shall be well along the way to Utopia.
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Just because your job requires no skill and your entirely expendable doesn't mean you deserve to spend your life living on a budget!
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LOL @ $15 an hour. Anyone who has worked fast food - particularly at night - know what really goes on. Sex at work, people smoking pot, playing on phones half the night... it's a crappy job but not a totally difficult one, and there's tons of down time to goof off. Paying someone $15 an hour is 25 cents a minute. They sit for a lot of minutes.
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LOL @ $15 an hour. Anyone who has worked fast food - particularly at night - know what really goes on. Sex at work, people smoking pot, playing on phones half the night... it's a crappy job but not a totally difficult one, and there's tons of down time to goof off. Paying someone $15 an hour is 25 cents a minute. They sit for a lot of minutes.
totally difficult?
explain the difficulties of a job that you discribed
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LOL @ $15 an hour. Anyone who has worked fast food - particularly at night - know what really goes on. Sex at work, people smoking pot, playing on phones half the night... it's a crappy job but not a totally difficult one, and there's tons of down time to goof off. Paying someone $15 an hour is 25 cents a minute. They sit for a lot of minutes.
I had a few friends that worked fast food back in the day...they'd wait til about 2 before closing... walk across the street to the supermarket, buy a case of beer, stock it in the cooler and everyone would drink and smoke weed behind the dumpster til 11pm or midnight.
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totally difficult?
explain the difficulties of a job that you discribed
like, it sucked. I worked mcdonalds. there would be days when I did nothing but cook 12 burger patties for 8 straight hours, minus breaks. That part sucked.
there were times of making out and handjobs in breakrooms. Lots of employees got high in the freezer or fridge (not for me, but hey, lots of others do).
It was hot at times, I was sleepy working late at times (I was way younger). Fast food work did suck at times. But there was a TON of down time - and this was LONG before smart phones.
I dont like the idea of a higher min wage that's above value. We already can classify people as "waitresses or waiters" for $2.15 an hour or whatever.
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like, it sucked. I worked mcdonalds. there would be days when I did nothing but cook 12 burger patties for 8 straight hours, minus breaks. That part sucked.
there were times of making out and handjobs in breakrooms. Lots of employees got high in the freezer or fridge (not for me, but hey, lots of others do).
It was hot at times, I was sleepy working late at times (I was way younger). Fast food work did suck at times. But there was a TON of down time - and this was LONG before smart phones.
I dont like the idea of a higher min wage that's above value. We already can classify people as "waitresses or waiters" for $2.15 an hour or whatever.
I asked you to describe the difficulties of this type of work and you give me this diatribe?
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like, it sucked. I worked mcdonalds. there would be days when I did nothing but cook 12 burger patties for 8 straight hours, minus breaks. That part sucked.
there were times of making out and handjobs in breakrooms. Lots of employees got high in the freezer or fridge (not for me, but hey, lots of others do).
It was hot at times, I was sleepy working late at times (I was way younger). Fast food work did suck at times. But there was a TON of down time - and this was LONG before smart phones.
I dont like the idea of a higher min wage that's above value. We already can classify people as "waitresses or waiters" for $2.15 an hour or whatever.
I hope there were girls on that shift :D
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I hope there were girls on that shift :D
Haha that's pretty funny :D
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I asked you to describe the difficulties of this type of work and you give me this diatribe?
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Oh, the air is greasy. Really hot or really cold, coming from the window. And the smell, ugh, it's this weird plastic burnt smell 24/7. Skin was always wearing this stink, this coat of grease.
I've done grocery stocking (physically tougher) and landscaping (WAY more physically demanding), teaching (way more stressful). Fast food wasn't all that bad, lots of chill time. But yeah, lots of just grease & stink. Speed, speed, speed. Cooking the same 12 patties for 250 straight minutes, it really kills the brain.
I hope there were girls on that shift :D
Hey, I'm a bleeding heart lib, I like vagina. No toe-tapping in stalls or wearing diapers for hookers for me...
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Hey, I'm a bleeding heart lib, I like vagina. No toe-tapping in stalls or wearing diapers for hookers for me...
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:D
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When I worked food service, it was literally the most moronic job. You could train a fucking monkey to run a register better than some of the clowns they actually have to pay money for.
And at night? Forget it. Shut down early, eat the food and make it disappear. Take customers money and delete the order and give them the food.
Get stoned in the freezer.
Fuck a coworker on the prep table, while preparing food for the day. Basically do whatever the fuck you want when you're not actually cooking or taking orders, because the managers don't give a shit and are drunk half the time.
These people don't deserve 5 an hour, let alone 15. And I sure as hell didn't either when I worked there. People working these jobs and expecting to make a living are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet and literally have nothing of any value to anyone. Hell, they can't even count change, so they made the registers do it for them.... and the morons STILL can't do it right.
Hell, 1 in 3 people that worked with me could NOT do basic math, or comprehend basic english (even though they were born and raised in the US).
And these are the people that think they deserve 15 an hour. They think this, because theyre too fucking dumb to realize how fucking dumb they are.
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They think this, because theyre too fucking dumb to realize how fucking dumb they are.
sounds like a lot of libtards around here
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When I worked food service, it was literally the most moronic job. You could train a fucking monkey to run a register better than some of the clowns they actually have to pay money for.
And at night? Forget it. Shut down early, eat the food and make it disappear. Take customers money and delete the order and give them the food.
Get stoned in the freezer.
Fuck a coworker on the prep table, while preparing food for the day. Basically do whatever the fuck you want when you're not actually cooking or taking orders, because the managers don't give a shit and are drunk half the time.
These people don't deserve 5 an hour, let alone 15. And I sure as hell didn't either when I worked there. People working these jobs and expecting to make a living are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet and literally have nothing of any value to anyone. Hell, they can't even count change, so they made the registers do it for them.... and the morons STILL can't do it right.
Hell, 1 in 3 people that worked with me could NOT do basic math, or comprehend basic english (even though they were born and raised in the US).
And these are the people that think they deserve 15 an hour. They think this, because theyre too fucking dumb to realize how fucking dumb they are.
THIS. Accurate description of what goes on.
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This is the result of libtards' campaign on minimum wage increases and their attacks on businesses, like Wal-Mart, for paying their employees what they are worth.
Seeking to increase pressure on McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants, organizers of a movement demanding a $15-an-hour wage for fast-food workers say they will sponsor one-day strikes in 100 cities on Thursday and protest activities in 100 additional cities.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/business/economy/wage-strikes-planned-at-fast-food-outlets-in-100-cities.html?_r=0
(December 1, 2013)
Seeking to increase pressure on McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants, organizers of a movement demanding a $15-an-hour wage for fast-food workers say they will sponsor one-day strikes in 100 cities on Thursday and protest activities in 100 additional cities.
As the movement struggles to find pressure points in its quest for substantially higher wages for workers, organizers said strikes were planned for the first time in cities like Charleston, S.C.; Providence, R.I.; and Pittsburgh.
The protests have expanded greatly since November 2012, when 200 fast-food workers engaged in a one-day strike at more than 20 restaurants in New York City, the first such walkout in the history of the nation’s fast-food industry.
Officials with the National Restaurant Association have said the one-day strikes are publicity stunts. They warn that increasing pay to $15 an hour when the federal minimum wage is $7.25 would cause restaurants to rely more on automation and hire fewer workers.
Industry officials say that only a small percentage of fast-food jobs pay the minimum wage and that those are largely entry-level jobs for workers under 25.
If all of the workers had their pay at 15.00 an hour, the prices for food would not double......that's ridiculous thinking. In fact the prices would not even go up at all and a number of places have figured that out by raising their pay. Obviously that's flat earther caveman conservative thinking
With that being said, honestly, I don't think that a fast food worker should get 15.00 dollars an hour....maybe 9 or 10 bucks an hour in areas where the cost of living is high.
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If all of the workers had their pay at 15.00 an hour, the prices for food would not double......that's ridiculous thinking. In fact the prices would not even go up at all and a number of places have figured that out by raising their pay. Obviously that's flat earther caveman conservative thinking
Typical man-made global warming libtard thinking being displayed by the above post.
The cost of the product will increase. Whether it is double, half or a third, IT WILL INCREASE. And if they don't increase it on the food, they will pass it on to the customer one way or another. That is inevitable.
Only libtards believe that it doesn't change a thing. But what can we expect from dumb democrats? These are the same idiots who have doubled the deficit, double the cost of obamacrapcare and can't even set up a functioning website after being given 3 years of preparation.
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If all of the workers had their pay at 15.00 an hour, the prices for food would not double......that's ridiculous thinking. In fact the prices would not even go up at all and a number of places have figured that out by raising their pay. Obviously that's flat earther caveman conservative thinking
With that being said, honestly, I don't think that a fast food worker should get 15.00 dollars an hour....maybe 9 or 10 bucks an hour in areas where the cost of living is high.
and you actually pretend to run a business? Good god.
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and you actually pretend to run a business? Good god.
;D
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Typical man-made global warming libtard
Ya cannot call people that. Sarah Palin & mitt romney believed in man-made global warming.
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Ya cannot call people that. Sarah Palin & mitt romney believed in man-made global warming.
I can call people anything I please.
Key word is "believed".
They have seen the light that THERE IS NO PROOF THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSED BY MAN.
Libtards, on the other hand, continue to spew the lie.
And any conservative that believes it, is in the same boat of stupidity as any libtard.
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hahahahahahaha this coming from a guy who believes in talking snakes and 800 year old boat builders , priceless :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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MacDonalds (and other fast food chains) all pay much higher wages in Europe and they still do just fine
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/the-magical-world-where-mcdonalds-pays-15-an-hour-its-australia/278313/
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and you actually pretend to run a business? Good god.
I use Fiverr and ELance to outsource work that I cannot do. I have one employee in Thailand who specializes in SEO that I pay 50 dollars a month to work......I think I know what the fuck I'm doing.
In any event....double wages doesn't mean double the price
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About 25 years ago I spent a few months flipping burgers - right after high school, for minimum wage. I quickly saw what a dead end it was, and I soon left the world of fast food for a better paying and less degrading job with better working conditions... I know, not saying much. ;D
But my point is that if I could find something better after a few months - and as an unskilled 18 year old college student just out of HS - I think that speaks volumes for those who choose to continue to man the deep fat fryer, grill, or cash register for that minimum wage for many years or even as a "career".
Of course Reagan was still in office when I made my big jump in pay and prestige from fast food to the grocery store. ;D
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I use Fiverr and ELance to outsource work that I cannot do. I have one employee in Thailand who specializes in SEO that I pay 50 dollars a month to work......I think I know what the fuck I'm doing.
In any event....double wages doesn't mean double the price
You're crazy if you think doubling wages will not result in price increases. Of course prices will increase. They always do when there is a significant increase in overhead. The companies are not just going to reduce their profit margin.
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I can call people anything I please.
Key word is "believed".
They have seen the light that THERE IS NO PROOF THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSED BY MAN.
Libtards, on the other hand, continue to spew the lie.
And any conservative that believes it, is in the same boat of stupidity as any libtard.
Yup.
Like I thought.
No libtard can contend with the truth.
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I don't really see why anyone here should be upset over the prospect of fast food workers getting $15/hr,
...except maybe 240. He actually admits to eating McDs, ...but I thought all the rest of you ate clean. ???
We must have a bunch of closet fast food addicts, ...either that, or you're pissed they'd make more than you ;D
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I don't really see why anyone here should be upset over the prospect of fast food workers getting $15/hr,
...except maybe 240. He actually admits to eating McDs, ...but I thought all the rest of you ate clean. ???
We must have a bunch of closet fast food addicts, ...either that, or you're pissed they'd make more than you ;D
If you CHOOSE to pay your unskilled workers a skilled worker's wage - and can afford to do so and stay open over time, that's your right. But government has no business forcing such a requirement on you.
I'd like to see whatever it is that makes $15 the magic number. Why not $14 or $16?
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If they pay fast food workers $15/hour and in turn Big Macs double in price I think thats a good thing. That crap shouldn't be served and maybe will stop buying them.
I think trusting a free market system to pay a fair wage is fantasy but at the same time i don't think $15 an hour should be minimum wage.
Here's the problem i see:
In the 80's in N. California when minimum wage was $5 per hour a full time minimum wage worker would gross $800 per month and could get a decent 2-bedroom apartment for $400-$500 per month. So 2 people on minimum wage could get by.
Now, a full time minimum wage worker, grosses $1280 per month and a decent 2-bedroom Apartment is $1000-$1200/month.
Considering all other things are higher in price now, it would seem minimum wage hasn't kept up here.
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I don't really see why anyone here should be upset over the prospect of fast food workers getting $15/hr,
...except maybe 240. He actually admits to eating McDs, ...but I thought all the rest of you ate clean. ???
We must have a bunch of closet fast food addicts, ...either that, or you're pissed they'd make more than you ;D
haha it's actually pretty rare these days that I eat fast food. NEVER do I eat any dinner from those places, it's rather gross. McDoubles, blah.
However, now and then, when I'm out in the morning, I'll grab something like an egg white mcmuffin or breakfast burrito. not ideal of course, but relatively clean and it keeps be from going catabolic [/broscience]
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If they pay fast food workers $15/hour and in turn Big Macs double in price I think thats a good thing. That crap shouldn't be served and maybe will stop buying them.
I think trusting a free market system to pay a fair wage is fantasy but at the same time i don't think $15 an hour should be minimum wage.
Here's the problem i see:
In the 80's in N. California when minimum wage was $5 per hour a full time minimum wage worker would gross $800 per month and could get a decent 2-bedroom apartment for $400-$500 per month. So 2 people on minimum wage could get by.
Now, a full time minimum wage worker, grosses $1280 per month and a decent 2-bedroom Apartment is $1000-$1200/month.
Considering all other things are higher in price now, it would seem minimum wage hasn't kept up here.
Why should minimum wage have to keep up with rents?
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worth every penny.
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If you CHOOSE to pay your unskilled workers a skilled worker's wage - and can afford to do so and stay open over time, that's your right. But government has no business forcing such a requirement on you.
I'd like to see whatever it is that makes $15 the magic number. Why not $14 or $16?
First of all ROTFLMAO at the idea of a "skilled worker wage"
Secondly: This isn't a government initiative, ...it's a collective bargaining thing.
This not the government dictating minimum wage, these are workers saying give us $15/hr., or we won't work.
Do you have a problem with workers deciding what they will or will not work for?
What I find more offensive than anything is the idea that someone thinks these workers are obligated to work in fast food joints for $7 or $8 an hour.
Thirdly: Inflation probably played a part, in choosing the magic number.
its also very easily calculable for 4 hr & 8 hr shifts.
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I laugh even harder at the idea of forcing a $15/hour min on restaurants for unskilled workers - that's gonna kill the smaller chains and privately owned restaurants.
Whether it's a govt imposed min or a "collective bargaining thing" calling for a new min, it's the same end result. Frankly I don't see this happening without government force - which I wouldn't be surprised to see these days.
I have no problem whatsoever with workers deciding what they will or will not work for. I've made that decision for myself at least a half dozen times - I have left an employer for greener pastures (another employer or self-employment) for any combination of more $, leaving a negative environment, lack of upward mobility, bad location / clientele, etc.
I'm not a fan of collective bargaining and am not big on employment contracts (although I see their purpose in some cases). If you don't like working for me or what I am willing or able to pay you, you're free to find a better path for yourself.
The min wage was $3.35 in 1987 when I got out of HS. It's now $7.25 I think.
First of all ROTFLMAO at the idea of a "skilled worker wage"
Secondly: This isn't a government initiative, ...it's a collective bargaining thing.
This not the government dictating minimum wage, these are workers saying give us $15/hr., or we won't work.
Do you have a problem with workers deciding what they will or will not work for?
What I find more offensive than anything is the idea that someone thinks these workers are obligated to work in fast food joints for $7 or $8 an hour.
Thirdly: Inflation probably played a part, in choosing the magic number.
its also very easily calculable for 4 hr & 8 hr shifts.
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I laugh even harder at the idea of forcing a $15/hour min on restaurants for unskilled workers - that's gonna kill the smaller chains and privately owned restaurants.
Whether it's a govt imposed min or a "collective bargaining thing" calling for a new min, it's the same end result. Frankly I don't see this happening without government force - which I wouldn't be surprised to see these days.
I have no problem whatsoever with workers deciding what they will or will not work for. I've made that decision for myself at least a half dozen times - I have left an employer for greener pastures (another employer or self-employment) for any combination of more $, leaving a negative environment, lack of upward mobility, bad location / clientele, etc.
I'm not a fan of collective bargaining and am not big on employment contracts (although I see their purpose in some cases). If you don't like working for me or what I am willing or able to pay you, you're free to find a better path for yourself.
The min wage was $3.35 in 1987 when I got out of HS. It's now $7.25 I think.
+1
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Why should minimum wage have to keep up with rents?
Don't know that it should or shouldn't. But isn't that the idea of a minimum wage? The require employers to pay enough so people can live? Like i said, trusting in a 100% free market there will be enough competition to force companies to pay more is fantasy.
For what ever the reason. Rents are too high and minimum wage is too low.
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Don't know that it should or shouldn't. But isn't that the idea of a minimum wage? The require employers to pay enough so people can live? Like i said, trusting in a 100% free market there will be enough competition to force companies to pay more is fantasy.
For what ever the reason. Rents are too high and minimum wage is too low.
I'm not sure minimum wage was intended to be a living wage. I see a problem with trying to tie mandatory wages to cost of living. We'd wind up pushing the cost of goods and services past points where lower income people could afford them.
I just see minimum wage jobs as starter jobs for younger people, temporary jobs for others, etc., but not career jobs.
And I do trust the marketplace. Companies with better pay, benefits, and work environments attract better workers. But there is always room for places like fast food restaurants and retail stores who provide lots of jobs for low pay.
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I'm not sure minimum wage was intended to be a living wage. I see a problem with trying to tie mandatory wages to cost of living. We'd wind up pushing the cost of goods and services past points where lower income people could afford them.
I just see minimum wage jobs as starter jobs for younger people, temporary jobs for others, etc., but not career jobs.
And I do trust the marketplace. Companies with better pay, benefits, and work environments attract better workers. But there is always room for places like fast food restaurants and retail stores who provide lots of jobs for low pay.
"Companies with better pay, benefits, and work environments attract better workers." Then Unions probably would have never taken foot. I would trust more if there was more competition.
I agree, minimum wage jobs are starter jobs. The problem is like i was saying, its not enough.
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"Companies with better pay, benefits, and work environments attract better workers." Then Unions probably would have never taken foot. I would trust more if there was more competition.
I agree, minimum wage jobs are starter jobs. The problem is like i was saying, its not enough.
Perhaps, although I suspect we could have had a $15 minimum wage years ago and we'd still have unions.
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Perhaps, although I suspect we could have had a $15 minimum wage years ago and we'd still have unions.
Lol. Probably. However, i think minimum wage wasn't the big or sole reason for unions.
As some say....the only thing worse than unions is not having any.
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Lol. Probably. However, i think minimum wage wasn't the big or sole reason for unions.
As some say....the only thing worse than unions is not having any.
Yeah. I agree.
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"Companies with better pay, benefits, and work environments attract better workers." Then Unions probably would have never taken foot. I would trust more if there was more competition.
I agree, minimum wage jobs are starter jobs. The problem is like i was saying, its not enough.
Minimum wage jobs SHOULD be starter jobs. And, in the past, they were. It's a shitty new day now, though, I think.
Due the apparent lack of jobs and to the economy being more of a service-based one, I often see senior citizens working in fast food restaurants these days which is something I never saw back when I was a teenager working at Burger King. I
I don't see anyone here factoring in this shitty fact of life when discussing the proposed minimum wage hike.
In theory, I totally agree with the idea that minimum wage job is something for a new and unskilled worker to cut their teeth on before moving on to better-paying jobs but if there are no better paying jobs available then you come off as if you're saying of these poor-ass mofo's, "let them eat cake".
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Minimum wage jobs SHOULD be starter jobs. And, in the past, they were. It's a shitty new day now, though, I think.
Due the apparent lack of jobs and to the economy being more of a service-based one, I often see senior citizens working in fast food restaurants these days which is something I never saw back when I was a teenager working at Burger King. I
I don't see anyone here factoring in this shitty fact of life when discussing the proposed minimum wage hike.
In theory, I totally agree with the idea that minimum wage job is something for a new and unskilled worker to cut their teeth on before moving on to better-paying jobs but if there are no better paying jobs available then you come off as if you're saying of these poor-ass mofo's, "let them eat cake".
the problem with your stance is there are actually plenty of jobs out there for people with the right skill, abilities or willingness to relocate.
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If they pay fast food workers $15/hour and in turn Big Macs double in price I think thats a good thing. That crap shouldn't be served and maybe will stop buying them.
I think trusting a free market system to pay a fair wage is fantasy but at the same time i don't think $15 an hour should be minimum wage.
Here's the problem i see:
In the 80's in N. California when minimum wage was $5 per hour a full time minimum wage worker would gross $800 per month and could get a decent 2-bedroom apartment for $400-$500 per month. So 2 people on minimum wage could get by.
Now, a full time minimum wage worker, grosses $1280 per month and a decent 2-bedroom Apartment is $1000-$1200/month.
Considering all other things are higher in price now, it would seem minimum wage hasn't kept up here.
BINGO.....minimum wage has fallen behind with inflation. In 1995, I worked at Montgomery Ward for 5.00 an hour....however my apartment was 295 a month including all utilities, gas was a 1.25 a gallon, etc.
Now minimum wage is 7.25.....Gas is 4.00 a gallon, that same apartment is now 850 bucks a month that I live in. Sorry but while I don't believe in a 15.00/hr fast food worker, I think they could raise it just a tad bit....not much but at least enough to live on
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BINGO.....minimum wage has fallen behind with inflation. In 1995, I worked at Montgomery Ward for 5.00 an hour....however my apartment was 295 a month including all utilities, gas was a 1.25 a gallon, etc.
Now minimum wage is 7.25.....Gas is 4.00 a gallon, that same apartment is now 850 bucks a month that I live in. Sorry but while I don't believe in a 15.00/hr fast food worker, I think they could raise it just a tad bit....not much but at least enough to live on
Fuck that, Vince.
I want my McDoubles to stay right around a dollar each.
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the problem with your stance is there are actually plenty of jobs out there for people with the right skill, abilities or willingness to relocate.
Those are some challenging caveats, mang. Not to mention that I don't think the unemployment numbers totally support what you're saying. (Plenty of jobs for ALL people?)
I could be wrong, though, and would be happy to look over any supporting links you might have time to post.
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Those are some challenging caveats, mang. Not to mention that I don't think the unemployment numbers totally support what you're saying. (Plenty of jobs for ALL people?)
I could be wrong, though, and would be happy to look over any supporting links you might have time to post.
where did I say for "all people", I specifically stated for ppl with the right skills, education and willingness to move.
Now when you can prove to me that these people dont have the mental or physical ability to obtain that education or skill and they for some reason CANNOT move to where the jobs are I will start to have pity.
fact is the vast majority of these people have the mental capacity and physical ability to do better in life.
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where did I say for "all people", I specifically stated for ppl with the right skills, education and willingness to move.
Now when you can prove to me that these people dont have the mental or physical ability to obtain that education or skill and they for some reason CANNOT move to where the jobs are I will start to have pity.
fact is the vast majority of these people have the mental capacity and physical ability to do better in life.
Vast majority? "Do better in life"? What does that mean?
We are still talking about folks being able to secure jobs that pay a living wage (a few dollars over min wage, anyway), aren't we?
Saying "vast majority" means that, what?, 70+% of the current number of folks who are unemployed + the ones in minimum wage jobs can find jobs making a living wage if they get skills, education and are willing to relocate?
Is that correct because I'm trying to understand what you're saying specifically?
(If you aren't really speaking from actual knowledge, but only from an ideological standpoint, that's ok but if so, it'd be nice if you'd say that now before I waste time seeing if I can find support for your claims on the interwebs, ya know?)
What's bugging me, I guess, is that I know you have some formal business education so though I haven't heard you mention it, I'm sure you must be more informed than me about how we've moved to a service-based economy and what that does to the overall supply of available jobs that pay a living wage.
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Vast majority? "Do better in life"? What does that mean?
We are still talking about folks being able to secure jobs that pay a living wage (a few dollars over min wage, anyway), aren't we?
Saying "vast majority" means that, what?, 70+% of the current number of folks who are unemployed + the ones in minimum wage jobs can find jobs making a living wage if they get skills, education and are willing to relocate?
Is that correct because I'm trying to understand what you're saying specifically?
(If you aren't really speaking from actual knowledge, but only from an ideological standpoint, that's ok but if so, it'd be nice if you'd say that now before I waste time seeing if I can find support for your claims on the interwebs, ya know?)
What's bugging me, I guess, is that I know you have some formal business education so though I haven't heard you mention it, I'm sure you must be more informed than me about how we've moved to a service-based economy and what that does to the overall supply of available jobs that pay a living wage.
First define "living wage"?
I agree on the move from a manufacturing based economy to a more service based economy. I actually posted the same exact thing a week or so ago and believe got laughed at by some of your liberal bretheren.
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-numbers-count-mental-disorders-in-america/index.shtml#Intro
"An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year". Now this includes a lot of disorders that would not prevent people from obtaining higher education.
In reality the fact that these people have a job even as menial as fast food worker shows they have the mental capacity to learn and be responsible at least on a basic level.
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First define "living wage"?
I agree on the move from a manufacturing based economy to a more service based economy. I actually posted the same exact thing a week or so ago and believe got laughed at by some of your liberal bretheren.
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-numbers-count-mental-disorders-in-america/index.shtml#Intro
"An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year". Now this includes a lot of disorders that would not prevent people from obtaining higher education.
In reality the fact that these people have a job even as menial as fast food worker shows they have the mental capacity to learn and be responsible at least on a basic level.
Naw, I can already tell that we basically agree too much on this subject to make this worthwhile. (Besides I gotta go and argue with some fools about Thailand's political unrest on another forum. - Mofo's get hot over there! lol)
BTW, fuck my liberal brethren! Don't take that shit. lol
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Naw, I can already tell that we basically agree too much on this subject to make this worthwhile. (Besides I gotta go and argue with some fools about Thailand's political unrest on another forum. - Mofo's get hot over there! lol)
BTW, fuck my liberal brethren! Don't take that shit. lol
hahah give em hell
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You're crazy if you think doubling wages will not result in price increases. Of course prices will increase. They always do when there is a significant increase in overhead. The companies are not just going to reduce their profit margin.
Vince outsources shit man. He knows what hes talking about.
/sarcasm
that comment definitely belongs up there with the dumbest shit hes ever said. Maybe even topping the airsoft comment.
Like doubling your most expensive cost (labor is historically a companies largest expense) isnt going to result in a significantly more expensive product....because im sure the companies are going to be just fine with having their profits cut by at least a third.
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Vince outsources shit man. He knows what hes talking about.
/sarcasm
that comment definitely belongs up there with the dumbest shit hes ever said. Maybe even topping the airsoft comment.
Like doubling your most expensive cost (labor is historically a companies largest expense) isnt going to result in a significantly more expensive product....because im sure the companies are going to be just fine with having their profits cut by at least a third.
LOL I almost forgot about the airsoft to functioning fully automatic weapons comment
you do have to hand it to good ole vince though, he really is a high functioning retard.
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Vince outsources shit man. He knows what hes talking about.
/sarcasm
Sounds like he read Tim Ferriss and the 4 hour workweek.
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Vince outsources shit man. He knows what hes talking about.
/sarcasm
that comment definitely belongs up there with the dumbest shit hes ever said. Maybe even topping the airsoft comment.
Like doubling your most expensive cost (labor is historically a companies largest expense) isnt going to result in a significantly more expensive product....because im sure the companies are going to be just fine with having their profits cut by at least a third.
Outsourcing has increased my income tremendously. My total revenue for this year is over 250k and that's no shit neither. I will be investing most of it into new ventures but I'm one step closer to my self sufficient home that I'm building that will allow me to retire comfortably early and travel the world. I work in a global universe so I'm getting a full time employee for pennies on the dollar.
But the fact is that minimum wage is not in line with basic living and as a result...more people need government assistance draining our tax dollars while businesses are increasing their profit margins. Starve the poor and the poor will revolt
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Vince outsources shit man. He knows what hes talking about.
/sarcasm
that comment definitely belongs up there with the dumbest shit hes ever said. Maybe even topping the airsoft comment.
Like doubling your most expensive cost (labor is historically a companies largest expense) isnt going to result in a significantly more expensive product....because im sure the companies are going to be just fine with having their profits cut by at least a third.
Agree. Makes no sense.
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Not surprised.
Obama to push for minimum wage hike in economy remarks
Posted by
CNN Senior White House Correspondent Brianna Keilar and CNN White House Producer Kevin Liptak
Washington (CNN) - The growing gap between rich and poor, and its effect on Americans' ability to achieve their goals, will be President Barack Obama's focus Wednesday as more attention falls on the plight of low-wage workers, according to White House officials.
In an address sponsored by the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank, Obama will again return his focus to the persistent issue of his presidency: an economy that's still struggling to recover from the downturn of 2008.
In his speech, the President will argue that income disparity threatens the wellbeing of middle class Americans as well as the larger chance for upward mobility, and he'll make another pitch for raising the minimum wage.
"President Obama will discuss the twin challenges of growing income inequality and shrinking economic mobility and how they pose a fundamental threat to the American Dream," a White House official said late Tuesday in describing the speech, adding the remarks would serve as an economic blueprint for the president's final three years in office.
Democrats on Capitol Hill have pushed an increase in the federal minimum wage, which currently stands at $7.25 an hour. A proposal would boost it to about $10, and the White House has said Obama supports such a measure.
On Wednesday, Obama will also make a general push to simplify the tax code, provide more work training in high schools, and make it easier for Americans to save for retirement.
The speech comes as public approval of Obama sinks to new lows. The botched rollout of HealthCare.gov, coupled with stories of people losing their health plans, has contributed to the drop, but more Americans also say they disapprove of the President's handling of the economy, five years after the downturn.
A CNN/ORC Poll taken in November showed 59% of respondents said things were going badly in the country today. Thirty-nine percent – a plurality – said economic conditions are getting worse.
While Wall Street indexes and corporate earnings have reached new highs, the situation for low and middle class Americans has largely remained dire, including a jobless rate that remains high and scores of people who have given up looking for work.
The problem of income disparity, and the fight for a higher minimum wage, have gained renewed attention in the past weeks – low wage fast food workers have staged one-day strikes across the country demanding higher paychecks, and protesters stood outside Wal-Marts and other box stores on Black Friday demanding employees be paid better.
Obama's remarks Wednesday will take place at a theater and arts facility in Washington's Southeast quadrant, an area of the capital where incomes remain low and 45% of the population lives below the poverty line.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/04/obama-to-push-for-minimum-wage-hike-in-economy-remarks/
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Outsourcing has increased my income tremendously. My total revenue for this year is over 250k and that's no shit neither. I will be investing most of it into new ventures but I'm one step closer to my self sufficient home that I'm building that will allow me to retire comfortably early and travel the world. I work in a global universe so I'm getting a full time employee for pennies on the dollar.
But the fact is that minimum wage is not in line with basic living and as a result...more people need government assistance draining our tax dollars while businesses are increasing their profit margins. Starve the poor and the poor will revolt
if you post a legit pic of your w2 with your name stating that you earned a FUCKING QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, Ill delete my acct.
hell, if you can post anything legitimately stating you earned half that, ill delete my acct.
and no, sales from your website cant be added in. I want to see a legit 125k gross income.
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Not surprised.
Obama to push for minimum wage hike in economy remarks
Posted by
CNN Senior White House Correspondent Brianna Keilar and CNN White House Producer Kevin Liptak
Washington (CNN) - The growing gap between rich and poor, and its effect on Americans' ability to achieve their goals, will be President Barack Obama's focus Wednesday as more attention falls on the plight of low-wage workers, according to White House officials.
In an address sponsored by the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank, Obama will again return his focus to the persistent issue of his presidency: an economy that's still struggling to recover from the downturn of 2008.
In his speech, the President will argue that income disparity threatens the wellbeing of middle class Americans as well as the larger chance for upward mobility, and he'll make another pitch for raising the minimum wage.
"President Obama will discuss the twin challenges of growing income inequality and shrinking economic mobility and how they pose a fundamental threat to the American Dream," a White House official said late Tuesday in describing the speech, adding the remarks would serve as an economic blueprint for the president's final three years in office.
Democrats on Capitol Hill have pushed an increase in the federal minimum wage, which currently stands at $7.25 an hour. A proposal would boost it to about $10, and the White House has said Obama supports such a measure.
On Wednesday, Obama will also make a general push to simplify the tax code, provide more work training in high schools, and make it easier for Americans to save for retirement.
The speech comes as public approval of Obama sinks to new lows. The botched rollout of HealthCare.gov, coupled with stories of people losing their health plans, has contributed to the drop, but more Americans also say they disapprove of the President's handling of the economy, five years after the downturn.
A CNN/ORC Poll taken in November showed 59% of respondents said things were going badly in the country today. Thirty-nine percent – a plurality – said economic conditions are getting worse.
While Wall Street indexes and corporate earnings have reached new highs, the situation for low and middle class Americans has largely remained dire, including a jobless rate that remains high and scores of people who have given up looking for work.
The problem of income disparity, and the fight for a higher minimum wage, have gained renewed attention in the past weeks – low wage fast food workers have staged one-day strikes across the country demanding higher paychecks, and protesters stood outside Wal-Marts and other box stores on Black Friday demanding employees be paid better.
Obama's remarks Wednesday will take place at a theater and arts facility in Washington's Southeast quadrant, an area of the capital where incomes remain low and 45% of the population lives below the poverty line.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/04/obama-to-push-for-minimum-wage-hike-in-economy-remarks/
Does this doofus understand that the biggest gap in income disparity occurred and endures during his presidency?
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Inflation from 1987 to 2012 on $3.35 = approx $6.88:
http://www.calculator.net/inflation-calculator.html?cinterestrate=3.35&cincompound=1987&cinterestrateout=1.03160&coutcompound=2012&x=65&y=14
The current min wage has actually outpaced CPI.
Rate is much higher (approx 5.7%) than inflation when going from $3.35 to $15.00 over 27 years:
http://www.calculator.net/investment-calculator.html?ctype=returnrate&ctargetamountv=15&cyearsv=27&cstartingprinciplev=3.35&cinterestratev=6&ccontributeamountv=0&ciadditionat1=monthly&x=72&y=8
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Obummer: "My approval rating is in the 30s. Let me throw them a bone by talking about the need for increasing the minimum wage and make them forget about crapcare."
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if you post a legit pic of your w2 with your name stating that you earned a FUCKING QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, Ill delete my acct.
hell, if you can post anything legitimately stating you earned half that, ill delete my acct.
and no, sales from your website cant be added in. I want to see a legit 125k gross income.
revenue is not the same as gross....and I'll likely hit 300k by the end of the year
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revenue is not the same as gross....and I'll likely hit 300k by the end of the year
??? You mean not the same as net?
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??? You mean not the same as net?
LOL!
This is the type of person that voted and still spew support for the jokeinchief.
They are clueless.
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??? You mean not the same as net?
typo, BB....it happens
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typo, BB....it happens
Ok. Thanks for clarifying.
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typo, BB....it happens
so what did you actually make, when its all said and done? How much actual profit did your company make, and what kind of actual income did you see (since im assuming that number you were throwing around trying to sound legit is simply dollars that you have had come in through your various... shall we say, business ventures, and not actual income or profit. ..)
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$15 minimum wage means layoffs: White Castle exec
CNBC ^ | December 4, 2013 | Drew Sandholm
Posted on December 4, 2013 9:21:51 PM EST by grundle
A top executive at White Castle cooked up a spicy retort on Wednesday to calls by some fast-food workers to raise the minimum wage to $15 a hour from $7.25, arguing such an increase would force the hamburger chain to close nearly half of its locations and lay off thousands of workers.
"To more than double the federally mandated starting wage wouldn't be bad for White Castle, it would be absolutely catastrophic," Jamie Richardson, vice president of White Castle, told CNBC's "Closing Bell" on Wednesday.
Such an increase would force the closure of more than 200 of its 406 locations across the United States, Richardson said, with any remaining locations "glowing embers. They would be dying stars."
(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...
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where did I say for "all people", I specifically stated for ppl with the right skills, education and willingness to move.
Now when you can prove to me that these people dont have the mental or physical ability to obtain that education or skill and they for some reason CANNOT move to where the jobs are I will start to have pity.
fact is the vast majority of these people have the mental capacity and physical ability to do better in life.
It's posts like these that make me positive you don't have any real world business experience. If someone is trapped in a cycle of poverty, where are they supposed to acquire the capital needed to make these changes? Out of thin air? Financial concerns are the number one reason students leave college. What is the likelihood that someone who is working for $8 an hour in their 20s can just up and move to a better job market? If you are living paycheck to paycheck, you most likely don't have the fiscal safety net needed to pursue such drastic changes.
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It's posts like these that make me positive you don't have any real world business experience. If someone is trapped in a cycle of poverty, where are they supposed to acquire the capital needed to make these changes? Out of thin air? Financial concerns are the number one reason students leave college. What is the likelihood that someone who is working for $8 an hour in their 20s can just up and move to a better job market? If you are living paycheck to paycheck, you most likely don't have the fiscal safety net needed to pursue such drastic changes.
YAY!!! My obsessed stalker has crawled back!!!
I took out student loans to get an education and its not like I was special, student loans are very easy to obtain. So in regards to education they have options available to them.
How much is a bus ticket? LOL nobody said it was easy, going to school at night while working isnt easy but millions do it everyday.
As for the $8 an hour earning 20 something, they likely have little in the way of possessions or they should have little in the way of posessions. The changes for them SHOULD BE fairly straight forward as they should have little to move. That is if they arent one of they majority of "poor" people in the country that wastes their money on frivolous shit.
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YAY!!! My obsessed stalker has crawled back!!!
No need to flatter yourself. You're stupid. I like pointing it out. It's hardly an obsession.
I took out student loans to get an education and its not like I was special, student loans are very easy to obtain. So in regards to education they have options available to them.
Based on your posts, "special" would probably be the best way to describe you. Now that the basic insults are out of the way...
How much is a bus ticket? LOL nobody said it was easy, going to school at night while working isnt easy but millions do it everyday.
As for the $8 an hour earning 20 something, they likely have little in the way of possessions or they should have little in the way of posessions. The changes for them SHOULD BE fairly straight forward as they should have little to move. That is if they arent one of they majority of "poor" people in the country that wastes their money on frivolous shit.
So much ignorance in one post :-\ ...
Let's start with student loans. Partial student loans are pretty easy to get... which is why there is such a high rate of students dropping out for financial reasons. Loans that provide greater coverage are harder to get which goes back to what I was saying about workers in a certain position not having that safety net... either a solid credit history or an eligible cosigner.
Even you can't think that uprooting your life comes down to the cost of a bus ticket and moving one's possessions! The more pressing concern is setting up one's future living arrangements. Even on the low end you are talking CONSERVATIVELY about $500. If you are living paycheck to paycheck, that money is not easy to come by. One reason the cycle of poverty persists is the inability to float the time needed between the end of one job and the start of another.
What you're doing is saying "These were my (alleged) experiences and I can't imagine that anyone else's are different or harder. So, if I did it anyone can." You are ignoring reality. The little bit you posted about the "majority of poor" wasting their money shows where your head is at. You think you are a white knight and that anyone whose life doesn't mirror your own simply doesn't have your fortitude. I'm reminded of the kids I interned with who swore they were totally making it on their own and refused to admit that $1000s subsidies from their parents made any difference at all.
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No need to flatter yourself. You're stupid. I like pointing it out. It's hardly an obsession.
Based on your posts, "special" would probably be the best way to describe you. Now that the basic insults are out of the way...
So much ignorance in one post :-\ ...
Let's start with student loans. Partial student loans are pretty easy to get... which is why there is such a high rate of students dropping out for financial reasons. Loans that provide greater coverage are harder to get which goes back to what I was saying about workers in a certain position not having that safety net... either a solid credit history or an eligible cosigner.
Even you can't think that uprooting your life comes down to the cost of a bus ticket and moving one's possessions! The more pressing concern is setting up one's future living arrangements. Even on the low end you are talking CONSERVATIVELY about $500. If you are living paycheck to paycheck, that money is not easy to come by. One reason the cycle of poverty persists is the inability to float the time needed between the end of one job and the start of another.
What you're doing is saying "These were my (alleged) experiences and I can't imagine that anyone else's are different or harder. So, if I did it anyone can." You are ignoring reality. The little bit you posted about the "majority of poor" wasting their money shows where your head is at. You think you are a white knight and that anyone whose life doesn't mirror your own simply doesn't have your fortitude. I'm reminded of the kids I interned with who swore they were totally making it on their own and refused to admit that $1000s subsidies from their parents made any difference at all.
lol you only crawl of out whatever shit hole you live in to post on here in response to me, so yea...youre obsessed...
Government backed student loans are pretty damn easy to get their boss, dont know where your getting your info.
Like I said, nobody ever stated it would be easy only that these people have options to better themselves and their lives. At the end of the day yea up and moving really does come down to travel expenses if you want it bad enough. I agree with you on the floating living expenses which is why they need to save as much as possible before making the move.
You act like the statement that the majority of "poor" people spend money on frivilous shit is false. DID YOU NOT SEE THE STATS TO BACK IT UP?
Refute them if you can.....
hahahahah you act like I feel Im better than others, contrary to your belief my stance isnt based on me being a white knight or believing Im better than others. I dont come from a rich family and I am no more important or special than anyone else. I do work hard and YES I HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF OTHERS AS WELL.
Why do you have such low expectations for these people?
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lol you only crawl of out whatever shit hole you live in to post on here in response to me, so yea...youre obsessed...
My apartment is pretty nice. I don't even want to imagine what kind of living situation you must be in that would cause you to post something like this, but I don't have to crawl out of my apartment to post on the internet. We have kitchen, bathroom and internet access inside. ;) Reminding the dumbest man on the internet how dumb he is every couple of weeks is not an obsession, but it is an enjoyable pasttime.
Government backed student loans are pretty damn easy to get their boss, dont know where your getting your info.
That's right, dummy. And to quote my previous post:
Partial student loans are pretty easy to get... which is why there is such a high rate of students dropping out for financial reasons. Loans that provide greater coverage are harder to get which goes back to what I was saying about workers in a certain position not having that safety net... either a solid credit history or an eligible cosigner.
You post this;
hahahahah you act like I feel Im better than others, contrary to your belief my stance isnt based on me being a white knight or believing Im better than others.
Then, literally your next sentence is this:
I dont come from a rich family and I am no more important or special than anyone else. I do work hard and YES I HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF OTHERS AS WELL.
Retardo, if we're to take your story at face value, you eked out a degree at some third-rate college in your late-30s while managing to maintain the ability to write at a 5th grade level. That is not someone who is a hard worker with high expectations. This is exactly what I was talking about in my last post about kids I met interning and in entry-level positions. You (and they) like to dramatize whatever difficulties you've had so you can convince yourselves that you're bootstrappin' hardworkers who lived out the American dream against all odds. Just a few weeks ago, weren't you claiming you traveled the world as a judo master. That doesn't mean you come from a rich family, but it suggests that, at the very least, your parents weren't worried about basic necessities and occasional luxuries. But it's a lot more satisfying to re-write your personal narrative to paint yourself as an underdog. Your experiences aren't everyone else's experiences.
At the end of the day yea up and moving really does come down to travel expenses if you want it bad enough.
No, it doesn't. And this isn't just your usual level of idiocy. It is willful ignorance. Already addressed why in previous post, so no need to do so again.
You act like the statement that the majority of "poor" people spend money on frivilous shit is false. DID YOU NOT SEE THE STATS TO BACK IT UP?
Refute them if you can.....
What is so "frivilous" about this spending breakdown?
(http://www.savespendsplurge.com/wp-content/uploads/rich-versus-the-poor-spending-habits-percentage-of-budget.jpeg)
(http://www.savespendsplurge.com/wp-content/uploads/rich-versus-the-poor-and-middle-class-spending-dollar-amounts-highlight.png)
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I'm going to power up my Macbook that was assembled by Chinese workers for $1 an hour and use it to express my outrage that burger flippers aren't making $15 an hour.
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I'm going to power up my Macbook that was assembled by Chinese workers for $1 an hour and use it to express my outrage at how burger flippers aren't making $15 an hour.
;D
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so what did you actually make, when its all said and done? How much actual profit did your company make, and what kind of actual income did you see (since im assuming that number you were throwing around trying to sound legit is simply dollars that you have had come in through your various... shall we say, business ventures, and not actual income or profit. ..)
I take out the bare minimum for personal expenses and keep the rest in the account....the maximum I can claim per year has to be under 34,000...otherwise it affects some of my benefits so I invest most of the profit back into the business, have some in a 401k, IRA's, etc. I do what my financial advisor tells me to do.
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Say goodbye to free market economy if this continues.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25239433
This week, a measure in the tiny airport town of SeaTac, Washington state, to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour passed by 77 votes.
As a result, some 6,300 workers at SeaTac's airport, which primarily serves the region's largest city, Seattle, will be paid the highest minimum wage in the nation.
Saba Belachew is one of those workers. She told the BBC: "It will really change my life. I don't have to work two jobs. [I can] support my family, go back to school. I'm so excited."
However, Alaska Airlines, the airport's biggest airline, has sued to block the measure.
Regardless, union organisers in SeaTac said they were hoping the success of their vote would inspire workers protesting around the nation.
"What we need is a social movement in this country that says enough is enough," said David Rolf, the president of the local Service Employees International Union.
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The libtard below thinks that her employer should give her more hours. Just because she needs them.
The employer is being "unhelpful" because instead of just increasing her hours, they give her a schedule based on THEIR SPECIFIC BUSINESS NEEDS. GOD FORBID?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25239433
Kachelle Krump, 23, works at a Burger King in the area. She told the BBC she works 16 to 20 hours a week and would like more hours, but that management had been unhelpful.
"I have a child who is seven years old - she's in school, she needs things," said Ms Krump.
Of her employer, Burger King, she said: "It's a billion dollar company. Share a little."
Burger King is paying her. After that, why do they have to share anything else? And if she fills that way, why doesn't she go somewhere else where they will "share" more with her?
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good, might discourage fat fucks from buying that disgusting processed shit
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good, might discourage fat fucks from buying that disgusting processed shit
Bloomberg, is that you?
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My apartment is pretty nice. I don't even want to imagine what kind of living situation you must be in that would cause you to post something like this, but I don't have to crawl out of my apartment to post on the internet. We have kitchen, bathroom and internet access inside. ;) Reminding the dumbest man on the internet how dumb he is every couple of weeks is not an obsession, but it is an enjoyable pasttime.
sigh...it was figurative there moron, although I imagine you do live in a bit of a shit hole.
That's right, dummy. And to quote my previous post:
Partial student loans are pretty easy to get... which is why there is such a high rate of students dropping out for financial reasons. Loans that provide greater coverage are harder to get which goes back to what I was saying about workers in a certain position not having that safety net... either a solid credit history or an eligible cosigner.
Actually govt loans will go to cover cost of living as well, dorms/apartments, meal plans etc.
AND THEY ARE QUITE EASY TO GET!!!!
Retardo, if we're to take your story at face value, you eked out a degree at some third-rate college in your late-30s while managing to maintain the ability to write at a 5th grade level. That is not someone who is a hard worker with high expectations. This is exactly what I was talking about in my last post about kids I met interning and in entry-level positions. You (and they) like to dramatize whatever difficulties you've had so you can convince yourselves that you're bootstrappin' hardworkers who lived out the American dream against all odds. Just a few weeks ago, weren't you claiming you traveled the world as a judo master. That doesn't mean you come from a rich family, but it suggests that, at the very least, your parents weren't worried about basic necessities and occasional luxuries. But it's a lot more satisfying to re-write your personal narrative to paint yourself as an underdog. Your experiences aren't everyone else's experiences.
No, it doesn't. And this isn't just your usual level of idiocy. It is willful ignorance. Already addressed why in previous post, so no need to do so again.
hahaha you think im in my mid 40's? LMFAO
hahaha and yes I did travel the world for judo, some paid for from my folks, some paid for by my club and some paid for by the college team I played on...and if youre still doubting maybe you should talk to your buddy RRKORE as it seems he found enough info on me to convince him i wasnt bull shitting ;) hahahahah
My experiences are very relevant to what many people are facing today. Graduated from college and couldnt find a decent job...THAT SOUND FAMILIAR BRAIN CHILD?f
What is so "frivilous" about this spending breakdown?
(http://www.savespendsplurge.com/wp-content/uploads/rich-versus-the-poor-spending-habits-percentage-of-budget.jpeg)
(http://www.savespendsplurge.com/wp-content/uploads/rich-versus-the-poor-and-middle-class-spending-dollar-amounts-highlight.png)
lol graphs from a blog called save, spend, splurge that dont cite where they get their data?
YEA ILL TAKE THE CENSUS DATA I POSTED A FEW PAGES BACK...but you believe the little blog if you want ;)
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I'm going to power up my Macbook that was assembled by Chinese workers for $1 an hour and use it to express my outrage that burger flippers aren't making $15 an hour.
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hahaha and yes I did travel the world for judo, some paid for from my folks, some paid for by my club and some paid for by the college team I played on...and if youre still doubting maybe you should talk to your buddy RRKORE as it seems he found enough info on me to convince him i wasnt bull shitting ;) hahahahah
Negress, what are you talking about? He's not saying (as I did) that he doubts your jet-setting judo stories. He's saying that he BELIEVES them.
His point, though, is that because you had the money to fly out of the country to pursue your jacket-wrestling dreams, it proves that, unlike how you try to portray yourself, you did not grow up a poor black child who had to eat rocks for breakfast and has now pulled himself up by his bootstraps to be the financially successful Amish (no pot and no casual sex, lol) Texan that you are today.
As for what I believe? I think you did some judo a long time ago and you now have a tendency to exaggerate about it some but it's not that big of deal to me. You don't seem that bad to me. I figure you for a sometimes moody, combative dude who's like that because you aren't getting laid. Or smoking enough pot. Or riding around too much in those black buggies with triangle reflector on the back.
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Negress, what are you talking about? He's not saying (as I did) that he doubts your jet-setting judo stories. He's saying that he BELIEVES them.
actually he said multiple times he didnt believe me when you were going on about it.
His point, though, is that because you had the money to fly out of the country to pursue your jacket-wrestling dreams, it proves that, unlike how you try to portray yourself, you did not grow up a poor black child who had to eat rocks for breakfast and has now pulled himself up by his bootstraps to be the financially successful Amish (no pot and no casual sex, lol) Texan that you are today.
hahaha i never said I grew up a poor black kid, as a matter of fact I have said multiple times I grew up in a middle class family...AS MOST PEOPLE DO
I dont portray myself as someone who was dirt poor and worked his way out. I am a person who faced many of the same problems these people are facing however and did what needed to be done to be successful. I went to public school, paid for and took out loans for college, couldnt find a job, went back to school paying for it by working and loans, got a decent job, went to grad school, paying for it by working and loans and now have a good job with great prospects for the future.
what I dont understand and what you have never answered, is why your expectations of these people are so low?
maybe albert can answer?
As for what I believe? I think you did some judo a long time ago and you now have a tendency to exaggerate about it some but it's not that big of deal to me. You don't seem that bad to me. I figure you for a sometimes moody, combative dude who's like that because you aren't getting laid. Or smoking enough pot. Or riding around too much in those black buggies with triangle reflector on the back.
As ive stated many times on here, it was a long time ago since i competed in jude. Im not exaggerating about anything and I think you know that to be true. Although you like to jump to conclusions and form uninformed opinions on subjects, you seem like a good enough guy.
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Although you like to jump to conclusions and form uninformed opinions on subjects, you seem like a good enough guy.
Do not forget that I am pro-marijuana and pro-casual sex. ;D
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Do not forget that I am pro-marijuana and pro-casual sex. ;D
im pro marijuana as well and not so against casual sex as long as you may think. It just not something you promote to idiot college students.
Basically like promoting drinks to alcoholics, its just not the best idea...
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sigh...it was figurative there moron, although I imagine you do live in a bit of a shit hole.
And we know what an active imagination you've got there, Retardo ;)
My experiences are very relevant to what many people are facing today. Graduated from college and couldnt find a decent job...THAT SOUND FAMILIAR BRAIN CHILD?
Yet, you're trying to make fun of me for living in a shithole of your own imagining. I haven't gone more than 3 months without a steady job since I graduated college. Jus' sayin' :-\ Meanwhile, Brainless, my whole point was that what you managed to do has no relevance to what others in worse financial situations are able to do.
lol graphs from a blog called save, spend, splurge that dont cite where they get their data?
YEA ILL TAKE THE CENSUS DATA I POSTED A FEW PAGES BACK...but you believe the little blog if you want Wink
That graph comes from the National Bureau of Labor Statistics study called the Consumer Expenditure Survey. It illuminates the specious link you posted which basically came down to "OMG! Poor people don't just sit in their living rooms staring at a wall." The nerve they have air conditioners and microwaves!
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Negress, what are you talking about? He's not saying (as I did) that he doubts your jet-setting judo stories. He's saying that he BELIEVES them.
That isn't what I said. What I said is that "IF I take what he's claimed at face value..." I have no idea what you found to convince you he's actually a judo champion, but he just has such a long history of lying that that little scenario was just putrid icing on the shitcake. It wasn't even necessarily the the judo thing that was ridic. It was the fact that he tried to pull the whole "You're just a troll, I'm a proven commodity" thing.
I didn't care about the judo thing one way or another. Just as I can say my apartment is nice and that won't stop anyone from questioning whether or not it's a shithole, I wouldn't actually question someone if they said they are wealthy or 6'6 or a judo champ , because it's the internet. I didn't begin questioning whether or not he was in (or had gone to) college until it became clear that he didn't understand the basic concepts of things he claimed to be studying.
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And we know what an active imagination you've got there, Retardo ;)
Yet, you're trying to make fun of me for living in a shithole of your own imagining. I haven't gone more than 3 months without a steady job since I graduated college. Jus' sayin' :-\ Meanwhile, Brainless, my whole point was that what you managed to do has no relevance to what others in worse financial situations are able to do.
That graph comes from the National Bureau of Labor Statistics study called the Consumer Expenditure Survey. It illuminates the specious link you posted which basically came down to "OMG! Poor people don't just sit in their living rooms staring at a wall." The nerve they have air conditioners and microwaves!
LOL ive been working since 13...so what?
Ive also had a job since graduating college as well...whoop de doooo!!!!!
and as I pointed out my experiences do. These people have a plethora of options available to them including govt funded education loans that will pay for housing and food, spending less on frivilous things like multiple Tv's, video games, eating out, entertainment etc.
really so where do flat screens and video games fit in to those numbers then? Housing? b/c my numbers came from the census as well....
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That isn't what I said. What I said is that "IF I take what he's claimed at face value..." I have no idea what you found to convince you he's actually a judo champion, but he just has such a long history of lying that that little scenario was just putrid icing on the shitcake. It wasn't even necessarily the the judo thing that was ridic. It was the fact that he tried to pull the whole "You're just a troll, I'm a proven commodity" thing.
I didn't care about the judo thing one way or another. Just as I can say my apartment is nice and that won't stop anyone from questioning whether or not it's a shithole, I wouldn't actually question someone if they said they are wealthy or 6'6 or a judo champ , because it's the internet. I didn't begin questioning whether or not he was in (or had gone to) college until it became clear that he didn't understand the basic concepts of things he claimed to be studying.
hahah anyone with less than 1000 posts is a troll in my book just so you know ;)
and its not just him, I dont feel the need to justify or prove myself to the vast majority of people especially here on the interweb.
you could probably ask Kore about my education as well, he seems to be quite the google master
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LOL ive been working since 13...so what?
Ive also had a job since graduating college as well...whoop de doooo!!!!!
You're the one who tried to make it into a pissing match over quality of life. You're clearly poorly educated and you've admitted to having trouble finding a decent job. Neither of those things applies to me. If either one of us lives in squalor, it's you. That's so what.
and as I pointed out my experiences do. These people have a plethora of options available to them including govt funded education loans that will pay for housing and food, spending less on frivilous things like multiple Tv's, video games, eating out, entertainment etc.
And as I pointed out, your experiences don't.
Just as a sidenote, you have managed to misspell "frivolous" in every post in which you've used it. This is not me jumping on you for making a typo. This is me clarifying that I'm not joking or just trying to insult you
when I say you spell at a 5th grade level. In almost every prolonged debate we've had on this board, you have misspelled primary school words. When I call you retardo, it's not based on the fact that I disagree with you politically.
really so where do flat screens and video games fit in to those numbers then? Housing? b/c my numbers came from the census as well....
As has been pointed out by several people, several times, you are an idiot and lack the ability to decipher data. Having a flat screen tv doesn't mean a 50 inch flat screen. It's more likely to mean a $250 32 inch. A flat screen tv is pretty much the only tv you could buy if you purchased a tv in the last seven years. Having multiple tvs in a household doesn't mean having multiple 50-inch flatscreens. It's more likely to mean a collection of older tvs and possibly a newer one. That's precisely why I posted that study.Because this is an actual breakdown of the "fribbleless" spending or however the hell you will manage to misspell it next time.
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hahah anyone with less than 1000 posts is a troll in my book just so you know ;)
and its not just him, I dont feel the need to justify or prove myself to the vast majority of people especially here on the interweb.
you could probably ask Kore about my education as well, he seems to be quite the google master
I don't need to know anything about your education. The way you write says it all. I'll be sure not to catch your troll book. I'm sure it will be poorly written and not make too much sense. ;) But I would love to hear what Kore has come up with in regards to your education. Not even that I'd doubt it, just out of morbid curiosity.
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You're the one who tried to make it into a pissing match over quality of life. You're clearly poorly educated and you've admitted to having trouble finding a decent job. Neither of those things applies to me. If either one of us lives in squalor, it's you. That's so what.
And as I pointed out, your experiences don't.
Just as a sidenote, you have managed to misspell "frivolous" in every post in which you've used it. This is not me jumping on you for making a typo. This is me clarifying that I'm not joking or just trying to insult you
when I say you spell at a 5th grade level. In almost every prolonged debate we've had on this board, you have misspelled primary school words. When I call you retardo, it's not based on the fact that I disagree with you politically.
As has been pointed out by several people, several times, you are an idiot and lack the ability to decipher data. Having a flat screen tv doesn't mean a 50 inch flat screen. It's more likely to mean a $250 32 inch. A flat screen tv is pretty much the only tv you could buy if you purchased a tv in the last seven years. Having multiple tvs in a household doesn't mean having multiple 50-inch flatscreens. It's more likely to mean a collection of older tvs and possibly a newer one. That's precisely why I posted that study.Because this is an actual breakdown of the "fribbleless" spending or however the hell you will manage to misspell it next time.
I never tried to make it a pissing match, the only morons that believe that are butt hurt idiots whos expectations for these people are so low for whatever reason.
yes my spelling sucks LOL, ouch!!!! you got me...
Any number of tvs at the level of poverty that wont allow you to do what needs to be done to get a better job is to many tvs. What about video game consoles?
where do those fit in in your numbers?
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I don't need to know anything about your education. The way you write says it all. I'll be sure not to catch your troll book. I'm sure it will be poorly written and not make too much sense. ;) But I would love to hear what Kore has come up with in regards to your education. Not even that I'd doubt it, just out of morbid curiosity.
hahah yes my syntax and grammar on a interweb message board is atrocious.
like most I come here to relax and catch up on current political events. if reading them some how offends your sensitive nature (which it obviously does) then dont read them.
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All you guys screaming about fast food workers getting $15/hr really need to give your heads a shake. ::)
What would you rather do? Pay 50 cents to $1 more for a Big Mac, or fork out the the billions in social welfare costs to keep them housed, clothed and fed? There's a tremendously high cost to low wages.
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All you guys screaming about fast food workers getting $15/hr really need to give your heads a shake. ::)
What would you rather do? Pay 50 cents to $1 more for a Big Mac, or fork out the the billions in social welfare costs to keep them housed, clothed and fed? There's a tremendously high cost to low wages.
deal, Ill agree to a $15 dollar minimum wage if we can do away with welfare
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deal, Ill agree to a $15 dollar minimum wage if we can do away with welfare
They need to start with corporate welfare before they even consider touching the social safety net.
Trust me when I tell you, you don't want to live in a world without welfare.
It's not there to protect the poor, ...it's there to protect the rich and the middle class.
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They need to start with corporate welfare before they even consider touching the social safety net.
Trust me when I tell you, you don't want to live in a world without welfare.
It's not there to protect the poor, ...it's there to protect the rich and the middle class.
so its a either give us the money or we will take it kind of deal eh?
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mcdonalds would be staffed with 4 workers instead of 7.
The result ain't so bad at 11 am. Try it at 12:15pm, and yeah, it's gonna take forever.
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so its a either give us the money or we will take it kind of deal eh?
No, either individual businesses pay their employees a living wage, ...or the tax payers pay it.
Either way, these people are not going to be allowed to starve.
You decide which you think is better... that the corporations profiting as a result of what these workers do pay for their productivity, ...or tax payers subsidize the profits of fast food companies through social welfare.
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No, either individual businesses pay their employees a living wage, ...or the tax payers pay it.
Either way, these people are not going to be allowed to starve.
You decide which you think is better... that the corporations profiting as a result of what these workers do pay for their productivity, ...or tax payers subsidize the profits of fast food companies through social welfare.
ive asked many of your fellow libtards what a "living wage" in dollars is and not one has been able to answer, perhaps you would like to try?
also how long were you in prison?
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ive asked many of your fellow libtards what a "living wage" in dollars is and not one has been able to answer, perhaps you would like to try?
also how long were you in prison?
A wage that pays them enough to live on. That varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Who on earth claims I was ever in prison? Gee Whiz! ::)
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A wage that pays them enough to live on. That varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Who on earth claims I was ever in prison? Gee Whiz! ::)
lol so you agree they dont need tv's, video game consoles, washer/driers, to go out for dinner, entertainment etc?
I mean you really dont need much to live on and does enough to live on mean to cover children they have too?
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A wage that pays them enough to live on. That varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Who on earth claims I was ever in prison? Gee Whiz! ::)
someone said you went to prison for fraud
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someone said you went to prison for fraud
What?! :o ::)
There was a guy named Michael Forrest the USA extradited from Costa Rica who was selling Rife machines.
He also went under the business name Jaguar Enterprises of Santa Ana.
There are a few here who purposely like to try to imply that I am him or that he is a business associate. I don't know the guy, never met him, never had anything to do with him.
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I never tried to make it a pissing match, the only morons that believe that are butt hurt idiots whos expectations for these people are so low for whatever reason.
Retardo, I'm referring to when you posted that you imagine I live in a shit hole. You are free to imagine whatever you like, but in reality, it's much more likely that you live in a shithole.
yes my spelling sucks LOL, ouch!!!! you got me...
Any number of tvs at the level of poverty that wont allow you to do what needs to be done to get a better job is to many tvs. What about video game consoles?
where do those fit in in your numbers?
This is precisely the point, you idiot! The tv purchases aren't preventing people from getting ahead. People don't buy tvs annually and nothing you posted supports your claim that the poor spend the majority of their money on "frivilous" things.
Full disclosure, dummy: as I've posted on here a few times, one of my first jobs after moving to NY after college was as a homeless/poverty advocate. The experience was actually a negative one for me because throughout the course of the year I was there, the more evident it became that public sector assistance is not really designed to make a difference on a large scale. I could throw example after example at you. I have been hesitant to address some of the wrong shit you've said about college grants because I was lucky enough to go to college on almost a full athletic scholarship, but some things you have said I know to be inaccurate. For 1, government grants can be pretty easy to get in some circumstances. Part-time students get less and I don't think they are eligible for housing or meal money. A single working mother wouldn't be eligible for housing money and couldn't live on campus. This is just one example of how your experience as a single male with no children has no relevance to the experiences of those in more difficult situations.
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hahah yes my syntax and grammar on a interweb message board is atrocious.
like most I come here to relax and catch up on current political events. if reading them some how offends your sensitive nature (which it obviously does) then dont read them.
I love reading your posts. I think they are hilarious. Why would you say they "offend my sensitive nature" when Just a page ago you were accusing me of being obsessed with you?
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This is precisely the point, you idiot! The tv purchases aren't preventing people from getting ahead. People don't buy tvs annually and nothing you posted supports your claim that the poor spend the majority of their money on "frivilous" things.
Full disclosure, dummy: as I've posted on here a few times, one of my first jobs after moving to NY after college was as a homeless/poverty advocate. The experience was actually a negative one for me because throughout the course of the year I was there, the more evident it became that public sector assistance is not really designed to make a difference on a large scale. I could throw example after example at you. I have been hesitant to address some of the wrong shit you've said about college grants because I was lucky enough to go to college on almost a full athletic scholarship, but some things you have said I know to be inaccurate. For 1, government grants can be pretty easy to get in some circumstances. Part-time students get less and I don't think they are eligible for housing or meal money. A single working mother wouldn't be eligible for housing money and couldn't live on campus. This is just one example of how your experience as a single male with no children has no relevance to the experiences of those in more difficult situations.
so multiple tvs, video game consoles/games, cable tv isnt frivolous to you?
what about having multiple children on a minimum wage salary? thats not a bad decision by them either right? ::)
I wasnt talking about grants, I was talking about loans....Grants you dont pay back, loans you do...but you go ahead and tell me where i was wrong ;) ::)
I agree that me not having children at this point in my life has made it easier for me, guess what?
It was a decision of mine to take the necessary precautions to not have children before I am able and willing to take care of them.
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I agree that me not having children at this point in my life has made it easier for me, guess what?
It was a decision of mine to take the necessary precautions to not have children before I am able and willing to take care of them.
Real World Translation: I can't get laid!!! ;D
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Real World Translation: I can't get laid!!! ;D
haha thanks googly eyes ;)
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haha thanks googly eyes ;)
You're welcome shit for brains. :P
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so multiple tvs, video game consoles/games, cable tv isnt frivolous to you?
As I've already shown, you're trying to make an issue of a non-existent issue.
what about having multiple children on a minimum wage salary? thats not a bad decision by them either right? ::)
Who said it was not? That doesn't change the fact that once you DO have a child, it makes it harder to make drastic life changes.
I wasnt talking about grants, I was talking about loans....Grants you dont pay back, loans you do...but you go ahead and tell me where i was wrong ;) ::)
The same still applies, dumdum! In that case it was a matter of semantics.There are limitations to fed loans, too ::)
I agree that me not having children at this point in my life has made it easier for me, guess what?
It was a decision of mine to take the necessary precautions to not have children before I am able and willing to take care of them.
LOL.
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As I've already shown, you're trying to make an issue of a non-existent issue.
Who said it was not? That doesn't change the fact that once you DO have a child, it makes it harder to make drastic life changes.
The same still applies, dumdum! In that case it was a matter of semantics.There are limitations to fed loans, too ::)
LOL.
spending money on shit you dont need if youre bitching about not having enough money is an issue....
I agree having children makes things harder which is why people on minimum wage shouldnt have them!!!
Ive said it before, other ppls shitty decisions should not be mine or anyone elses responsibility.
LOL federal education loans are very easy to obtain and you actually are able to obtain more if you make less. Yes there are limitations to fed loans but they are generally based on school tuition and your needs ie. housing, food etc.
LOL back at you there hoss ;)
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spending money on shit you dont need if youre bitching about not having enough money is an issue....
I agree having children makes things harder which is why people on minimum wage shouldnt have them!!!
Ive said it before, other ppls shitty decisions should not be mine or anyone elses responsibility.
LOL federal education loans are very easy to obtain and you actually are able to obtain more if you make less. Yes there are limitations to fed loans but they are generally based on school tuition and your needs ie. housing, food etc.
LOL back at you there hoss ;)
I'm surprised, considering what I perceive as your adamant anti-abortion stance.
A thoroughly ridiculous statement by the way, because it fails to take into account those who were gainfully employed, but lost employment because of economic conditions, ...and are now forced to perform in minimum wage occupations, ...or those from a "nuclear" family wherein the breadwinner passed away, leaving the other parent venturing into the workforce for the first time. etc., etc.,
There are a myriad of reasons that cause people to have to exist on minimum wage.
It's pretty disgusting when the world's most profitable corporations have full time workers relying on government assistance just to make ends meet.
ps: Federal education loans mean diddly if you can't find a job.
No one gets paid for what they know, ...they only get paid for what they do with what they know, ...and if they're not in a position to apply that knowledge, it means nothing... except perhaps a huge mortgage on their back that they cannot possibly even begin to approach paying back.
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I'm surprised, considering what I perceive as your adamant anti-abortion stance.
A thoroughly ridiculous statement by the way, because it fails to take into account those who were gainfully employed, but lost employment because of economic conditions, ...and are now forced to perform in minimum wage occupations, ...or those from a "nuclear" family wherein the breadwinner passed away, leaving the other parent venturing into the workforce for the first time. etc., etc.,
There are a myriad of reasons that cause people to have to exist on minimum wage.
It's pretty disgusting when the world's most profitable corporations have full time workers relying on government assistance just to make ends meet.
ps: Federal education loans mean diddly if you can't find a job.
No one gets paid for what they know, ...they only get paid for what they do with what they know, ...and if they're not in a position to apply that knowledge, it means nothing... except perhaps a huge mortgage on their back that they cannot possibly even begin to approach paying back.
thank you canadian, when I want your opinion Ill ask the trailer park boys;)
Yes b/c abortion is obviously the ONLY WAY to prevent unplanned children ::)
I didnt address those situations b/c the vast majority of people making minimum wage are not those people!!
I agree education itself is not worth taking on loans for if that education you obtain dont help you find gainful employment. Thats why they need to become educated in a field that is in demand. Dont be suprised when you graduate with a philosophy degree and have a hard time finding a job ::)
Its also pretty disgusting that in the US the vast majority of people we call "poor" have multiple tvs, video games, cable tv, Lives in a home that is in good repair, not crowded, and equipped with air conditioning, clothes washer and dryer, has money to go out to eat and entertain themselves
and these same people are the ones taking money from others in the form of govt assistance ::)
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All you guys screaming about fast food workers getting $15/hr really need to give your heads a shake. ::)
What would you rather do? Pay 50 cents to $1 more for a Big Mac, or fork out the the billions in social welfare costs to keep them housed, clothed and fed? There's a tremendously high cost to low wages.
I rarely eat fast food - I'm more concerned about the local restaurants with actual edible food it will put out of business.
With that said, I'll take "neither" as the choice. The left wants to force higher wages AND give out more entitlements regardless. They will continue to give more of them to more and more people no matter what if they can get away with it. The more people getting a govt check each month for one thing or another, the more votes they secure.
You're going to have more people unemployed, more small businesses shutting down, stagflation, etc.
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A thoroughly ridiculous statement by the way, because it fails to take into account those who were gainfully employed, but lost employment because of economic conditions, ...and are now forced to perform in minimum wage occupations, ...or those from a "nuclear" family wherein the breadwinner passed away, leaving the other parent venturing into the workforce for the first time. etc., etc.,
There are a myriad of reasons that cause people to have to exist on minimum wage.
Great post! Harkens back to my original point :D Sometimes you get into these prolonged back&forths, (specifically, when they involve Retardo) and you begin responding myopically and leave out larger, more salient points. For the sake of brevity, I've been refraining from using varied examples, but these are excellent points. As I've been saying, everyone does not have the same path into or out of poverty.
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All you guys screaming about fast food workers getting $15/hr really need to give your heads a shake. ::)
What would you rather do? Pay 50 cents to $1 more for a Big Mac, or fork out the the billions in social welfare costs to keep them housed, clothed and fed? There's a tremendously high cost to low wages.
Yeah, that's what they are screaming about. They really scrimp together all that loose change for their daily heart-attack burger. You'll note when it comes to their own case, raises are fine, but not for the low-skilled worker struggling to exist on what is today a non-living wage.
Get two jobs? 55% already do that.
Cliff's note to the Tea Party Clique: Contact Falcon for a low-cost peanut butter sandwich recipe to replace that grease burger you can no longer afford. And you can make it yourself. Yes, you can!
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Yeah, that's what they are screaming about. They really scrimp together all that loose change for their daily heart-attack burger. You'll note when it comes to their own case, raises are fine, but not for the low-skilled worker struggling to exist on what is today a non-living wage.
Get two jobs? 55% already do that.
Cliff's note to the Tea Party Clique: Contact Falcon for a low-cost peanut butter sandwich recipe to replace that grease burger you can no longer afford. And you can make it yourself. Yes, you can!
The original objective of these fast food workers is to DOUBLE their wage. That is insane.
Any increase should be based on what the business can afford and their needs. If those employees feel they are not earning enough, they can go get another job or get the necessary training to change "careers".
Either way, to put the onus solely on the business and constantly put pressure on them to keep increasing wages for JOBS THAT DON'T WARRANT SUCH INCREASES will hurt the "low-skilled worker" in the long run, since companies can turn to automation or layoffs.
You've taken a turn into lunacy. Is your assertion that if "low-skilled workers" don't get a raise, no one else is entitled to one? Why is it that ACCORDING TO YOU anyone who gets a raise is not in a position to criticize the efforts of these unions to get DOUBLE the wage for minial jobs? It seems you don't make a distinction between the productivity of skilled and unskilled labor and what that means to any enterprise. It seems in your opinion a doctor is in the same boat as a sanitation worker.
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The original objective of these fast food workers is to DOUBLE their wage. That is insane.
Celebrate! It's not going to happen.
Any increase should be based on what the business can afford and their needs. If those employees feel they are not earning enough, they can go get another job or get the necessary training to change "careers".
Can't you read? 55% already work two jobs.
Either way, to put the onus solely on the business and constantly put pressure on them to keep increasing wages for JOBS THAT DON'T WARRANT SUCH INCREASES will hurt the "low-skilled worker" in the long run, since companies can turn to automation or layoffs.
They will do that anyway, no matter what they pay.
You've taken a turn into lunacy. Is your assertion that if "low-skilled workers" don't get a raise, no one else is entitled to one? Why is it that ACCORDING TO YOU anyone who gets a raise is not in a position to criticize the efforts of these unions to get DOUBLE the wage for minial jobs? It seems you don't make a distinction between the productivity of skilled and unskilled labor and what that means to any enterprise. It seems in your opinion a doctor is in the same boat as a sanitation worker.
Oh, I said that? Where exactly?
Did you know that productivity is not correlated with whether a worker is skilled or unskilled?
And what's with the "ACCORDING TO YOU" shit? What you post, isn't according to you?
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Celebrate! It's not going to happen.
Can't you read? 55% already work two jobs.
Hey retard, I didn't mean as ADD another job. But, to switch jobs or get another "career".
Listen you socialist idiot, a free market is the best way to go. The key here is for the economy to improve, not to punish corporations for caring about the bottom line. Because when there is no bottom line or any profitability there won't be any jobs.
People also have to be accountable. They can get educated, they can get training, they can search for better paying jobs.
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Celebrate! It's not going to happen.
It already happened in Washington.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25239433
And not happening NOW for these other people is not the point. These movements continue to grow and grow until something does occur. There were more people protesting this time around than last year.
They will do that anyway, no matter what they pay.
Duh. But the fast food restaurants don't have the need to do it NOW, so why all the pressure from these unions? Any increase should be determined by the EMPLOYER, not PICKETING EMPLOYEES.
Oh, I said that? Where exactly?
Did you know that productivity is not correlated with whether a worker is skilled or unskilled?
And what's with the "ACCORDING TO YOU" shit? What you post, isn't according to you?
You said it when you stated "You'll note when it comes to their own case, raises are fine, but not for the low-skilled worker struggling to exist on what is today a non-living wage."
Who are you to tell ANYONE that they can't post their opinion about low-skilled worker wages just because they won't object to their own raise?
A lot of people here are professionals. Are you saying they are no better than a low-skilled worker?
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This article is a couple years old, but shows the majority of fast food consumers are lower middle class. Those will be the people paying higher fast food prices.
Fast Food: Middle Class Indulges More Often Than Poor People Do
First Posted: 11/08/11 11:45 AM ET Updated: 11/10/11 11:40 AM ET
People tend to think of obesity as a problem primarily for the lower class in America. And much of the data bears this out: especially in white and Mexican-American populations, rates of obesity go up as annual income goes down. The correlation isn't as ironclad for black Americans, but there is a relationship at work.
The easiest explanation for this trend is that cheaper food is unhealthy food. Just look at fast food menus! You can get hundreds of calories for a single dollar at McDonald's, for example -- poor people must be eating there, in droves, right?
Not so fast.
A recently-released UC-Davis study of the demographics of fast food shows that the people who eat at fast food restaurants most often aren't poor people, but those in the lower-middle class. Fast food consumption doesn't start to decline until household income hits $60,000. Researchers even found high rates of fast food intake in households making as much as $80,000 or $90,000 a year.
The study cited a few possible explanations for the popularity of fast food in the middle class. Researchers noted that middle class people are often pressed for time, and so appreciate the convenience of things like drive-through windows. And, despite a recent push by the fast food lobby, most food stamp programs still cannot be applied to fast food orders, limiting the amount the 45 million on nutritional assistance can spend at quick service eateries.
The surprisingly upscale demographics of fast food restaurants may also help explain the success of fast food chains like Chipotle, Starbucks and Five Guys over the past few years. These restaurants offer much of the convenience of fast food, with slightly higher prices and significantly better food than their competitors.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/fast-food-middle-class-poor_n_1081904.html
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If you chose or have to make a career out of flipping burgers, you cannot expect to make much money.
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thank you canadian, when I want your opinion Ill ask the trailer park boys;)
Yes b/c abortion is obviously the ONLY WAY to prevent unplanned children ::)
Abortion is not a preventative measure to an unplanned pregnancy. It's a reactive one.
The ONLY sure fire way to prevent an unplanned pregnancy is to have the necessary organs removes, or don't engage in sex period. So which is it in your case? Have you been castrated, ...or you just simply can't get laid? ;D
I didnt address those situations b/c the vast majority of people making minimum wage are not those people!!
I agree education itself is not worth taking on loans for if that education you obtain dont help you find gainful employment. Thats why they need to become educated in a field that is in demand. Dont be suprised when you graduate with a philosophy degree and have a hard time finding a job ::)
At the rate at which technology is/ has been changing & evolving, what was an "in demand" field often ended up pretty much obsolete by the time graduation rolled around.
Its also pretty disgusting that in the US the vast majority of people we call "poor" have multiple tvs, video games, cable tv, Lives in a home that is in good repair, not crowded, and equipped with air conditioning, clothes washer and dryer, has money to go out to eat and entertain themselves
And poor people should not have airconditioning? They should not have video games, or TVs? They should live in overcrowded dilapidated squalor? Is that your argument? Oh ya, poor people stuck sweltering in cramped, overcrowded, dilapidated squalor, with no jobs, and nothing to occupy their time. Sure fire recipe for success there. ::)
You have no clue! Not everyone who is poor was ALWAYS in that financial situation. Ever considered that perhaps the multiple TVs, video games, or expensive accroutrement are vestiges from a time when they had a healthy positive cashflow? Just because they are broke today, doesn't mean they were always broke. They might have had a Merril Lynch financial advisor. ;D
and these same people are the ones taking money from others in the form of govt assistance ::)
Rather than get pissed off about social welfare benefits that help poor people to live on less than $5 a day on food, (a paltry sum that might make the difference between them perserverring through adversity, and robbing your ass) you ought to be pissed about the government waste the gives rich politicians who also make 6 figure incomes off the tax payers dime, $3,000 + per week housing allowances, and an additional $200 a day for food that they can already afford to pay for themselves.
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If you chose or have to make a career out of flipping burgers, you cannot expect to make much money.
Not to the libtards on this thread.
They should get WHATEVER they want. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make any financial sense to those businesses. It doesn't matter what the needs of the business are. It doesn't matter that it is a low skill job.
Why stop at $15? Why not $30 an hour?
The unions and libtards are NUTS!
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If you chose or have to make a career out of flipping burgers, you cannot expect to make much money.
Unfortunately, part time minimum wage service sector jobs are the only jobs being created in the USA.
What is a person whose job has been permanently outsourced to India to do, ...stay home and collect unemployment? ...and when that run out welfare?
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Abortion is not a preventative measure to an unplanned pregnancy. It's a reactive one.
The ONLY sure fire way to prevent an unplanned pregnancy is to have the necessary organs removes, or don't engage in sex period. So which is it in your case? Have you been castrated, ...or you just simply can't get laid? ;D
At the rate at which technology is/ has been changing & evolving, what was an "in demand" field often ended up pretty much obsolete by the time graduation rolled around.
And poor people should not have airconditioning? They should not have video games, or TVs? They should live in overcrowded dilapidated squalor? Is that your argument? Oh ya, poor people stuck sweltering in cramped, overcrowded, dilapidated squalor, with no jobs, and nothing to occupy their time. Sure fire recipe for success there. ::)
You have no clue! Not everyone who is poor was ALWAYS in that financial situation. Ever considered that perhaps the multiple TVs, video games, or expensive accroutrement are vestiges from a time when they had a healthy positive cashflow? Just because they are broke today, doesn't mean they were always broke. They might have had a Merril Lynch financial advisor. ;D
Rather than get pissed off about social welfare benefits that help poor people to live on less than $5 a day on food, (a paltry sum that might make the difference between them perserverring through adversity, and robbing your ass) you ought to be pissed about the government waste the gives rich politicians who also make 6 figure incomes off the tax payers dime, $3,000 + per week housing allowances, and an additional $200 a day for food that they can already afford to pay for themselves.
im not going to read all your stupidity but i will point out i didnt say unplanned pregnancy, I said unplanned children ::)
now piss off and go watch some trailer park boys ;)
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If you chose or have to make a career out of flipping burgers, you cannot expect to make much money.
Not if the neocon repubes have their way
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Not to the libtards on this thread.
They should get WHATEVER they want. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make any financial sense to those businesses. It doesn't matter what the needs of the business are. It doesn't matter that it is a low skill job.
Why stop at $15? Why not $30 an hour?
The unions and libtards are NUTS!
Since increasing the minimum wage doesn't have significant disemployment effects, we can simply raise it to $1 million and reap the stimulatory benefits for the economy (since its recipients will simply spend it). The only thing standing in society's way is repugnanticans and the mostly white shareholders of MCD to whom they are beholden, both of which hate black people.
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Id be interested to see 24kt math sources om how almkst doubling their employees wage will only result in a .50 cent increase in price while retaining their profit margins.
Note - before you say theyll just have to cut their profits, you better realize that they arent going to just be 'ok' with slicing their margins by 1/3 to 1/2. Thats wishful thinking at its worst. Ajd there is no law stating they have to do so. So I guarantee you that the increase in layout to their employees will more than be reflected in the cost of their food. they arent going to eat it, thats for damn sure.
companies dont exist to provide people with a means to a comfortable life... they exist to make their owners/stockholders money. Period, end of sentence. I think many of you are forgetting why these places go into business in the first place.
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Since increasing the minimum wage doesn't have significant disemployment effects, we can simply raise it to $1 million and reap the stimulatory benefits for the economy (since its recipients will simply spend it). The only thing standing in society's way is repugnanticans and the mostly white shareholders of MCD to whom they are beholden, both of which hate black people.
Raise it to $84958495498549584958494849!
Why not?
Let's imitate the dumocrats and pull a number out of our asses.
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companies dont exist to provide people with a means to a comfortable life... they exist to make their owners/stockholders money. Period, end of sentence. I think many of you are forgetting why these places go into business in the first place.
Likewise, workers don't exist to make companies rich. They are concerned with providing for themselves and their families. Why do you suppose McDonald's doesn't pay $3/hour or less? It's not because no one would take the job.
I pay about $15 a day for lunch in the deli in my building and it's nothing fancy, to say the least. $8 Big Mac doesn't seem too far fetched to me.
Are you in NY?
These large multinationals cause more damage to the economy than they benefit it. And, no, I don't mean that in an anti-capitalism way. They create unnatural demand for supplies that destroy the environment. They destroy entire industries under their weight. They lobby to re-write laws to make sure they lay waste to whatever shreds of nature or industry they didn't manage to snuff out. They lobby to re-write laws to make sure they don't apply to them. Why they bother is beyond me, as they are exempt from facing any real penalty by dent of their size. They are the biggest cause of the contracting economy, simultaneously creating a shrinking oligarchy that divides ever greater wealth, while creating a work force that realistically can never advance.
Truthfully, a $15 minimum wage for companies over a certain size would probably be the best thing the American economy has seen in the last half century.
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Truthfully, a $15 minimum wage for companies over a certain size would probably be the best thing the American economy has seen in the last half century.
Over a certain size?
So, small companies/mom and pop shops would be exempt from such a law?
Laws are supposed to apply to everyone.
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Over a certain size?
So, small companies/mom and pop shops would be exempt from such a law?
Laws are supposed to apply to everyone.
No, they aren't. Especially laws aimed at businesses.
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Truthfully, a $15 minimum wage for companies over a certain size would probably be the best thing the American economy has seen in the last half century.
So a burger flipper who makes 15 bucks an hour would mean that people who make 15 should make 30?
That's basically what you're saying... if a burger maker's value is double, then everyone else's should be as well... right?
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So a burger flipper who makes 15 bucks an hour would mean that people who make 15 should make 30?
That's basically what you're saying... if a burger maker's value is double, then everyone else's should be as well... right?
That isn't what I'm saying at all. People who make $15/ hour are already making $15/hour. There are plenty of cooks who already make $15/hour and beyond that. Minimum wage employees' salaries are not the economy's baseline. A $17/hour bank employee's salary is not contingent on how many times more it is than a Wendy's employee.
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That isn't what I'm saying at all. People who make $15/ hour are already making $15/hour. There are plenty of cooks who already make $15/hour and beyond that. Minimum wage employees' salaries are not the economy's baseline. A $17/hour bank employee's salary is not contingent on how many times more it is than a Wendy's employee.
there are plenty of non burger uppers making 12... are they suddenly worth 20? Or are the just going to suddenly be making minum wage instead of a semi decent wage? Because cosf od living is going to go up to compensate for the increase in minimum wage.... its not like suddenly everyone is going to make more and no one is going to have ro oay kore because of it.... raising the minum wage is just going to lower everyone elses standard of living so that people wirh no skills can live better
fuck that.
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That isn't what I'm saying at all. People who make $15/ hour are already making $15/hour. There are plenty of cooks who already make $15/hour and beyond that. Minimum wage employees' salaries are not the economy's baseline. A $17/hour bank employee's salary is not contingent on how many times more it is than a Wendy's employee.
But when you move the "minimum wage" you are saying that the lowest job on any ladder should make 15 dollars an hour.
What I'm saying is that if you move the starting point, you have to move all points in between, or it's not right to other people.
People with skills should make X times more than a minimum wage employee. So... if you have some sort of skill that pays 25 dollars and you move minimum wage to twice what it is, then you should move THAT job to twice what it is as well. Someone with a skill should make relative difference money to someone without one.
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What I'm saying is that if you move the starting point, you have to move all points in between, or it's not right to other people.
Exactly. That's what YOU'RE saying. It isn't what I said nor is it a logical reduction of what I said since that is not how the economy works now.
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Exactly. That's what YOU'RE saying. It isn't what I said nor is it a logical reduction of what I said since that is not how the economy works now.
Oh, but it is... The second you move minimum wage to DOUBLE what it is... You're going to have to start moving the entire thing.
If YOU DON'T think so, then you are being silly.
You can't start paying burger flippers more without expecting everyone else to think their value has gone up. If you are saying that's not true, then you have no understanding about an internal sense of value.
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Oh, but it is... The second you move minimum wage to DOUBLE what it is... You're going to have to start moving the entire thing.
::) The entire thing? Everyone in the country doesn't make $11-22/hour. Anyone making more than $30/hour won't give a shit. Anyone making less than $15 will be thrilled.
If YOU DON'T think so, then you are being silly.
You can't start paying burger flippers more without expecting everyone else to think their value has gone up. If you are saying that's not true, then you have no understanding about an internal sense of value.
Sorry, but no. People already make vastly different incomes for performing the same exact job and that would remain the case if the minimum wage went up. A particular job doesn't have an inherent value.
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::) The entire thing? Everyone in the country doesn't make $11-22/hour. Anyone making more than $30/hour won't give a shit. Anyone making less than $15 will be thrilled.
Sorry, but no. People already make vastly different incomes for performing the same exact job and that would remain the case if the minimum wage went up. A particular job doesn't have an inherent value.
It doesn't? You live in a make believe world then.
Skill positions have an an inherent value. Doctors have a skill, they inevitably make more. Plumbers and Welders have a skill. There is a market rate for what they earn.
You are trying to move the market rate to accommodate the people with the least amount of skill. This WILL move the going rate for those who have one.
And bullshit. Anyone who makes any wage is going to say why am I only making X when someone flipping a fucking burger makes Y.
If you don't think so, then you don't understand people or the world we live in.
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there are plenty of non burger uppers making 12... are they suddenly worth 20? Or are the just going to suddenly be making minum wage instead of a semi decent wage? Because cosf od living is going to go up to compensate for the increase in minimum wage.... its not like suddenly everyone is going to make more and no one is going to have ro oay kore because of it.... raising the minum wage is just going to lower everyone elses standard of living so that people wirh no skills can live better
fuck that.
How so?
it should improve your life, increasing lower-middle class spending capacity is the best thing for an economy, it's what made the US what it is today. I don't think these institutions are interested in your woman's studies degree, so your skills are fine pumpkin.
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It doesn't? You live in a make believe world then.
Skill positions have an an inherent value. Doctors have a skill, they inevitably make more. Plumbers and Welders have a skill. There is a market rate for what they earn.
I didn't say that skills don't have value. I said that a particular job doesn't have an inherent value. Just because a cook at one restaurant makes minimum wage does not mean that that is the inherent value of a cook. There are plenty of cooks who make above that. The salaries for doctors varies. The salaries for plumbers varies.
You are trying to move the market rate to accommodate the people with the least amount of skill. This WILL move the going rate for those who have one.
No, it won't. Doctors would not be competing for minimum wage jobs or minimum wage salaries.
And bullshit. Anyone who makes any wage is going to say why am I only making X when someone flipping a fucking burger makes Y.
If you don't think so, then you don't understand people or the world we live in.
Nah.
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How so?
it should improve your life, increasing lower-middle class spending capacity is the best thing for an economy, it's what made the US what it is today.
Any of our conservatives/republicans who wants to comment on this?
I don't think these institutions are interested in your woman's studies degree, so your skills are fine pumpkin.
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It's pretty much common sense, Henry Ford had a cool story talking about why he paid his workers so much, he stated that they could then become consumers of his cars supplying him with happy, productive workers who feel fairly compensated and who are also consumers of his cars. He reaps the most return on his investment and worker productivity is key to a successful business right behind customer service and product quality.
Seriously, think of the mentality of the people on this wage, they do a shit job because it's not a career, it's a job on the way to that, or so they think. However, if minimum wage was a livable salary the service industry would probably pick up. Human psychology is what business is all about. Also, a good scheduler is important, so with that in mind it's customer service, then product quality then on to job mentality, human psychology in that order. sorry missed one, its cust serv, pro qua, job men, hum men and then scheduler. motivation is important also, as is social dynamics of work. So a formula of this would look like this guys, cust+pro+men+ sea+men= Hebrew.
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It's pretty much common sense, Henry Ford had a cool story talking about why he paid his workers so much, he stated that they could then become consumers of his cars supplying him with happy, productive workers who feel fairly compensated and who are also consumers of his cars. He reaps the most return on his investment and worker productivity is key to a successful business right behind customer service and product quality.
Seriously, think of the mentality of the people on this wage, they do a shit job because it's not a career, it's a job on the way to that, or so they think. However, if minimum wage was a livable salary the service industry would probably pick up. Human psychology is what business is all about. Also, a good scheduler is important, so with that in mind it's customer service, then product quality then on to job mentality, human psychology in that order. sorry missed one, its cust serv, pro qua, job men, hum men and then scheduler. motivation is important also, as is social dynamics of work. So a formula of this would look like this guys, cust+pro+men+ sea+men= Hebrew.
you seriously dont believe that doubling the wage of unskilled workers isnt going to put a serious hammer into everyone elses cost of living? That the costs arent just going to rise to compensate, and tbose that were naking a living wage before (say, 16 an hour, who are now suddenly finding themselves making minmum wage) arent going to suffer for it? And thay companies arent going to pass rhe increase in cost along to the customers, thereby negating the raise and effectively lowerong everyone elses spending ability?
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It's pretty much common sense, Henry Ford had a cool story talking about why he paid his workers so much, he stated that they could then become consumers of his cars supplying him with happy, productive workers who feel fairly compensated and who are also consumers of his cars. He reaps the most return on his investment and worker productivity is key to a successful business right behind customer service and product quality.
Seriously, think of the mentality of the people on this wage, they do a shit job because it's not a career, it's a job on the way to that, or so they think. However, if minimum wage was a livable salary the service industry would probably pick up. Human psychology is what business is all about. Also, a good scheduler is important, so with that in mind it's customer service, then product quality then on to job mentality, human psychology in that order. sorry missed one, its cust serv, pro qua, job men, hum men and then scheduler. motivation is important also, as is social dynamics of work. So a formula of this would look like this guys, cust+pro+men+ sea+men= Hebrew.
Oh i agree 100%.
Im curious to hear what the trickle-down people think about this.
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Exactly. That's what YOU'RE saying. It isn't what I said nor is it a logical reduction of what I said since that is not how the economy works now.
thank you.
but now you'll just make the baggers more angry
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you seriously dont believe that doubling the wage of unskilled workers isnt going to put a serious hammer into everyone elses cost of living? That the costs arent just going to rise to compensate, and tbose that were naking a living wage before (say, 16 an hour, who are now suddenly finding themselves making minmum wage) arent going to suffer for it? And thay companies arent going to pass rhe increase in cost along to the customers, thereby negating the raise and effectively lowerong everyone elses spending ability?
No I do, I don't think doubling is the answer, there is a fair number for all based on some key variables. I would ensure a minimum wage job would allow one to live and possibly spend money and not be partially subsidized by tax payers. It would improve the economy and reduce tax payer burden. Right now the poor cost a lot of money, just like with the healthcare industry, reactionary measures will ultimately fail as affluence increases.
Also,the loss would be out of the profits not passed on to the consumer, no one Is going to pay for a 10 dollar big mac, consumers have a choice, expenses of a company are tough shit, probably be ok though as they only made a couple billion in profits last year, they could raise the min wage double and barely fucking feel it dude. What's happening is that automation makes the job pretty much fucking mindless, equals cheap workers, cheap product, huge profits. The consumer pays a little because of the quantity moved, the massive profit is skimmed by the stock holders leaving those fucks working the cooker with the scraps, as it should be In an ideal world. However, reality dictates that these people like to live, thus, they need things to live, the wage now does provide that. Who then supports the remaining amount that is necessary for them to live? hospital expenses, food etc you and me, the tax payer, meanwhile McD's hides untold billons in tax havens, paying an effective tax rate of zero whilst using means paid for by those very same rebated taxes. The end game of all this is ever increasing profits, lower cost of food and a class of needy people dependent on government, supported by the taxpayers.
So when you bite into your 3 dollar burger know that the money you saved is coming right out of you taxes and going into the person who served you the burger. The real winner, the CEO's who pay no taxes and use your money to subsidize their low wages ensuring they have a healthy pool of poor workers who can't argue for more and are in a perpetual state of need.
Then the cycle begins, we need more taxes to pay for shit, more people on welfare then ever, which will only increase, then more taxes, then the economies knees are weak palms sweaty, theirs vomit on it already, mom's spaghetti.
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So when you bite into your 3 dollar burger know that the money you saved is coming right out of you taxes and going into the person who served you the burger. The real winner, the CEO's who pay no taxes and use your money to subsidize their low wages ensuring they have a healthy pool of poor workers who can't argue for more and are in a perpetual state of need.
This is partially what I meant when I said raising minimum on corporations over a certain size would probably be the best thing for the economy. Except I would add that your taxes not only go to subsidize your minimum wage employee, but also his millionaire (billionaire?) bosses. Walmart and McDonald's are two of the largest, if not the two largest, employers in the country, yet for 99% of the workforce, there is no such thing as upward mobility. For those of you saying "It's not meant to be a career, these people are losers", what do you think it does to an economy when the largest employers don't provide a chance at upward mobility? What do you think it does to an economy when the largest employer makes billions in profits, most of which go to line the pockets of a handful of executives? It causes the economy to contract and destabilize. It causes a ridiculously wide income gap. The jobs these corporations create provide almost no benefit to the economy. Realistically, the benefits of Walmart not being able to offer their artificially low prices, not being able to price smaller competitors out of the market and not contributing to what is quickly becoming an insurmountable income gap gets wider every year would more than make up for having to pay $2 more for a big mac or $100 more for a Black friday flatscreen.
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im not going to read all your stupidity but i will point out i didnt say unplanned pregnancy, I said unplanned children ::)
And where do you think children come from if not pregnancies? ...the stork?
now piss off and go watch some trailer park boys ;)
I'd rather stick a fork in my eye thank you.
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This is partially what I meant when I said raising minimum on corporations over a certain size would probably be the best thing for the economy. Except I would add that your taxes not only go to subsidize your minimum wage employee, but also his millionaire (billionaire?) bosses. Walmart and McDonald's are two of the largest, if not the two largest, employers in the country, yet for 99% of the workforce, there is no such thing as upward mobility. For those of you saying "It's not meant to be a career, these people are losers", what do you think it does to an economy when the largest employers don't provide a chance at upward mobility? What do you think it does to an economy when the largest employer makes billions in profits, most of which go to line the pockets of a handful of executives? It causes the economy to contract and destabilize. It causes a ridiculously wide income gap. The jobs these corporations create provide almost no benefit to the economy. Realistically, the benefits of Walmart not being able to offer their artificially low prices, not being able to price smaller competitors out of the market and not contributing to what is quickly becoming an insurmountable income gap gets wider every year would more than make up for having to pay $2 more for a big mac or $100 more for a Black friday flatscreen.
These CEOs are averaging $9,200 an hour, and people begrudge the guy making their food a living wage? ::)
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These CEOs are averaging $9,200 an hour, and people begrudge the guy making their food a living wage? ::)
Oh, yeah.
The fry guy contributes just as much to the success of the corporation as the CEO.
I think those fast food workers who can't even do basic math should get paid $10k an hour. That microwave operator has had the same schooling, has worked as hard and has made the same sacrifices as the CEO or any upper level manager.
Hell, everyone knows pouring soda in a cup is as difficult a task as managing the finances of a business.
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Oh, yeah.
The fry guy contributes just as much to the success of the corporation as the CEO.
I think those fast food workers who can't even do basic math should get paid $10k an hour. That microwave operator has had the same shooling, has worked as hard and has made the same sacrifices as the CEO or any upper level manager.
Hell, everyone knows pouring soda in a cup is as difficult a task as managing the finances of a business.
McD's have do it yourself fountains, ...and clearly some people have a really hard time pouring soda in a cup
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=506354.msg7147813#msg7147813
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Oh, yeah.
The fry guy contributes just as much to the success of the corporation as the CEO.
I think those fast food workers who can't even do basic math should get paid $10k an hour. That microwave operator has had the same shooling, has worked as hard and has made the same sacrifices as the CEO or any upper level manager.
Hell, everyone knows pouring soda in a cup is as difficult a task as managing the finances of a business.
It's not even rational to proportionality son. The make more in a couple days then the people on the front line make in a year, probably far more once bonuses are included. I get the idea of them deserving the most, I do, but to be honest it's greed and nothing more when you are stashing billions like facebook in tax havens, or mcd's.
It's fair in a business sense, but it's raping the world's economy and the countries that allow these corps to operate should reign things in a bit. It's funny that people expose the individulistic attitude yet we are social species. We need each other, fact, we use langauge to communicated ideas and have a prefrontal cortex, we can create synergism with teamwork something impossible with sole workers. If efficiency is key then teamwork is chief.
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It's not even rational to proportionality son. The make more in a couple days then the people on the front line make in a year, probably far more once bonuses are included. I get the idea of them deserving the most, I do, but to be honest it's greed and nothing more when you are stashing billions like facebook in tax havens, or mcd's.
It's fair in a business sense, but it's raping the world's economy and the countries that allow these corps to operate should reign things in a bit. It's funny that people expose the individulistic attitude yet we are social species. We need each other, fact, we use langauge to communicated ideas and have a prefrontal cortex, we can create synergism with teamwork something impossible with sole workers. If efficiency is key then teamwork is chief.
15 dollar burger flippers will mean that people who work in retail will start at 15 dollars.
You realize that managers in retail stores make less than that.
On top of your 8 dollar big mac, you will have a pair of levis for 90 bucks.
Yeah, that's gonna work.
You guys who think that doubling the minimum wage is going to be a great thing are going to be sorely surprised should it happen... You won't be able to afford shit yourselves.
You are buffoons.
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15 dollar burger flippers will mean that people who work in retail will start at 15 dollars.
You realize that managers in retail stores make less than that.
On top of your 8 dollar big mac, you will have a pair of levis for 90 bucks.
Yeah, that's gonna work.
You guys who think that doubling the minimum wage is going to be a great thing are going to be sorely surprised should it happen... You won't be able to afford shit yourselves.
You are buffoons.
tu_holmes ain't lying. :(
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McD's have do it yourself fountains, http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=506354.msg7147813#msg7147813
Some McD's do, others do not.
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15 dollar burger flippers will mean that people who work in retail will start at 15 dollars.
You realize that managers in retail stores make less than that.
On top of your 8 dollar big mac, you will have a pair of levis for 90 bucks.
Yeah, that's gonna work.
You guys who think that doubling the minimum wage is going to be a great thing are going to be sorely surprised should it happen... You won't be able to afford shit yourselves.
You are buffoons.
I didn't state a number anywhere in my post, why are you attributing it to me? I would recommned the min wage be adjusted for inflation and provide more support to those doing those jobs. 10 bucks maybe, or so.
Also, places with higher min wages then the US are doing better economically, Australia has a wage of close to 17 I beleive. Germany institutes illegal wages and are booming. Not only are you patently wrong, creating strawman's with the whole 15 bucks an hour thing and even wrong in practice.
It's not black and white, it's not double or nothing, we aren't playing black jack homie.
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I didn't state a number anywhere in my post, why are you attributing it to me? I would recommned the min wage be adjusted for inflation and provide more support to those doing those jobs. 10 bucks maybe, or so.
Also, places with higher min wages then the US are doing better economically, Australia has a wage of close to 17 I beleive. Germany institutes illegal wages and are booming. Not only are you patently wrong, creating strawman's with the whole 15 bucks an hour thing and even wrong in practice.
It's not black and white, it's not double or nothing, we aren't playing black jack homie.
First of all 15 dollars an hour is what people are ASKING for... So it's not about what YOU said... it's about what the people are PROTESTING for.
They are ASKING for 15 dollars an hour.
You compare things to other countries, but those countries don't have things other people here have. Like everyone owning a car. Or needing to drive to work. So now, when you go to get gas in the US and it's moved up to 8 dollars a gallon because the minimum wage has moved.
And someone makes 15 bucks an hour already isn't being paid more... how the fuck are they supposed to afford that 8 dollar a gallon gas to pay the gas station attendant.
The protesters made the number double... That's why everyone is using that number... homie.
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from site on internet raise the minimum wage
The minimum wage of the past was a stronger standard, providing significantly more buying power than it does today. After its creation in 1938, the value of the minimum wage rose relatively steadily until its value reached a high point in 1968 (when its nominal value was $1.60 an hour). Thereafter, it suffered dramatic erosion as Congress failed to adequately correct for inflation over time.
The minimum wage of $1.60 an hour in 1968 would be $10.56 today when adjusted for inflation [see the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Consumer Price Index inflation calculator.]
10.56 doesn't sound unreasonable
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from site on internet raise the minimum wage
The minimum wage of the past was a stronger standard, providing significantly more buying power than it does today. After its creation in 1938, the value of the minimum wage rose relatively steadily until its value reached a high point in 1968 (when its nominal value was $1.60 an hour). Thereafter, it suffered dramatic erosion as Congress failed to adequately correct for inflation over time.
The minimum wage of $1.60 an hour in 1968 would be $10.56 today when adjusted for inflation [see the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Consumer Price Index inflation calculator.]
10.56 doesn't sound unreasonable
That's definitely a more acceptable number.
I DO agree that it should be raised... I believe it should go with inflation.
That's not a problem at all... the 15 dollars (Which people protested for around the country) is absolutely ridiculous.
The shift will still occur... just not at the ridiculous move doubling it would.
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First of all 15 dollars an hour is what people are ASKING for... So it's not about what YOU said... it's about what the people are PROTESTING for.
They are ASKING for 15 dollars an hour.
Ok, some are, some are more reasonable and are looking at the numbers, regardless you're point had nothing to do with mine, I didn't say it and I don't think it's a good idea. it needs to go up. No one has gotten that increase and if I recall correctly, no state is over 9.75 per hour
You compare things to other countries, but those countries don't have things other people here have. Like everyone owning a car. Or needing to drive to work. So now, when you go to get gas in the US and it's moved up to 8 dollars a gallon because the minimum wage has moved.
Australia doesn't have the things you have? germany doesn't such a silly point. Ya because as we can see gas is tied to minimum wage with how stable the price has been over the years, while min wage has been stagnant or reducing when adjusted for inflation.
And someone makes 15 bucks an hour already isn't being paid more... how the fuck are they supposed to afford that 8 dollar a gallon gas to pay the gas station attendant.
you are just making up numbers like a boss, have any cool numbers you can make up to help me make my point?
The protesters made the number double... That's why everyone is using that number... homie.
They have that right, I don't agree with it, but they have rights and demands which have been trampled. The fact that min wage is below ten bucks in the states (the super power of the world) is laughable, all it does is create a leaching, teet sucking underclass with no upward mobility.
When someone increases min wage to 15 bucks let me know, otherwise see occupy wall street, protest doesn't always work.
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When someone increases min wage to 15 bucks let me know, otherwise see occupy wall street, protest doesn't always work.
Again... That's what they are protesting for.
See my previous post for my agreement that minimum wage should probably be raised, but my point is that 15 bucks an hour is ludicrous.
Also... I don't believe minimum wage should be a federal thing... It should be local.
People in LA and NYC should have a higher minimum wage than other locations.
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15 dollar burger flippers will mean that people who work in retail will start at 15 dollars.
You realize that managers in retail stores make less than that.
On top of your 8 dollar big mac, you will have a pair of levis for 90 bucks.
Yeah, that's gonna work.
You guys who think that doubling the minimum wage is going to be a great thing are going to be sorely surprised should it happen... You won't be able to afford shit yourselves.
You are buffoons.
It's not an attempt to double the minimum wage. It is an attempt to increase the minimum pay scale for McD's employees in the fast food workers union. This does not affect non union workers.
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First of all 15 dollars an hour is what people are ASKING for... So it's not about what YOU said... it's about what the people are PROTESTING for.
They are ASKING for 15 dollars an hour.
You compare things to other countries, but those countries don't have things other people here have. Like everyone owning a car. Or needing to drive to work. So now, when you go to get gas in the US and it's moved up to 8 dollars a gallon because the minimum wage has moved.
And someone makes 15 bucks an hour already isn't being paid more... how the fuck are they supposed to afford that 8 dollar a gallon gas to pay the gas station attendant.
The protesters made the number double... That's why everyone is using that number... homie.
Tu, the price at the gas pump will not go up because the guy who makes your Big Mac now makes $15/ hour. ::)
Gas will go to $8 / gallon because Bernanke and soon to be Yellen have the digital printing presses on overdrive
Btw: Those "other" countries to which you refer (Canada, Australia, Germany etc) also have cars that run on gas.
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it is like that everywhere. cost of replacing/training that employee to have that skillset.
To be CEO, you probably spend 4-6 years in college, you're a bright person, you understand some high level business concepts, and you get shit done... there are a lot of people that want the job, and they sacrifice a lot to get there.
An employee at the restaurant (I worked in one in Ohio and one in FL) can be trained in just a few days. You attend Hamburger U and get the basics, then you follow another worker all day and emulate them. Me, they were shortstaffed, so 10 minutes in, I was haphazardly flipping 12 patties at a time and baking the buns.
it is like that in sports... you can train a person to be a ballboy, but what is the cost of replacement to obtain & train another LeBron James? 19 million, the market says.
sucks... but at the same time... the CEo spent a lot of saturday nights with his nose in an accounting book or doing internships or trying & failing with business models... but the fry cook had the freedom to goof off on saturday night, smoke a little reefer in the cooler, have sex in his hatchback with a female employee, sleep in til noon on Sunday, etc. There are ups and downs of both. The CEO's life, while he has more $, is also packed with serious stress & pressure the worker may not feel. Worker loses his job, he can crash at moms for 2 months and regroup. CEO loses his job, and it's a much bigger fall.
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Tu, the price at the gas pump will not go up because the guy who makes your Big Mac now makes $15/ hour. ::)
Gas will go to $8 / gallon because Bernanke and soon to be Yellen have the digital printing presses on overdrive
Btw: Those "other" countries to which you refer (Canada, Australia, Germany etc) also have cars that run on gas.
fucking shit youre an idiot
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Tu, the price at the gas pump will not go up because the guy who makes your Big Mac now makes $15/ hour. ::)
Gas will go to $8 / gallon because Bernanke and soon to be Yellen have the digital printing presses on overdrive
Btw: Those "other" countries to which you refer (Canada, Australia, Germany etc) also have cars that run on gas.
Holy hell, you don't get it.
First off... I didn't say "Canada", so stop that right now.
I don't know what the minimum wage is in Canada, but I bet it's not 15 dollars an hour.
To own you a bit more here...
The countries that I DID use... Germany and Australia (because someone else said those countries and used their minimum wage) do not have the high sales of automobiles that the US does. Most people in those countries use public transportation. MOST people in the US do NOT... so gas prices affect more US citizens as a percentage and as a real number (since neither of those countries has the population of the US) than it affects THOSE countries.
If minimum wage moves, it moves everywhere... The burger maker, the Wal-Mart greeter... The guy sitting behind the glass at the self service gas pump.
You are absolutely bat-shit crazy if you don't think it will impact a whole hell of a lot more than you are making it out.
Also, you can talk shit about Bernanke and gang all you want, but they've worked very hard to keep inflation low even AFTER this "printing of money" you claim is happening.
Your minimum wage move will impact it almost instantly. You're completely foolish if you think otherwise.
This is not a politics thing for me... I don't subscribe to parties... NONE of them... I'm just a reasonable person.
You are being unreasonable and for that I'm sorry.
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Holy hell, you don't get it.
First off... I didn't say "Canada", so stop that right now.
I don't know what the minimum wage is in Canada, but I bet it's not 15 dollars an hour.
I don't know what the minimum wage is here in Canada either. I think it might be set provincially.
To own you a bit more here...
The countries that I DID use... Germany and Australia (because someone else said those countries and used their minimum wage) do not have the high sales of automobiles that the US does.
Germany has extremely high auto sales, ...but not sure sales have much to do with it.
I would think domestic usages of automobiles is more relevant than numbers of sales.
Most people in those countries use public transportation. MOST people in the US do NOT... so gas prices affect more US citizens as a percentage and as a real number (since neither of those countries has the population of the US) than it affects THOSE countries.
If minimum wage moves, it moves everywhere... The burger maker, the Wal-Mart greeter... The guy sitting behind the glass at the self service gas pump.
The guy sitting behind the glass at the self service gas pump getting a raise is not going to cause the price consumers pay to increase. If it affects anything, it will affect the cost of that stale bag of peanuts, the bubble gum, and or the cigarettes.
What WILL affect the price at the pump, is the devaluation, and loss of purchasing power currently being orchestrated by the Federal Reserve.
You are absolutely bat-shit crazy if you don't think it will impact a whole hell of a lot more than you are making it out.
Also, you can talk shit about Bernanke and gang all you want, but they've worked very hard to keep inflation low even AFTER this "printing of money" you claim is happening.
Now who is bat-shit crazy? LOL :D
Bernanke and gang have NOT been trying to keep inflation low, ...they've been trying to CREATE it.
They are delusional enough to think they can control it, ...actually, more accurately, they believe the public is delusional enough to think they can control it, ...but it is beyond their control. The money they are printing hand over fist is simply being hoarded by the banks and kept out of circulation... for now, however, at some point, all that cash WILL flood into the market, resulting in a hyper inflationary deflation. I realize that sounds like quite the contradiction, ...an oxymoron even, but let me explain. The very 'assets' Americans own, or went into debt to purchase (homes, land, etc) will deflate. These will drop in price, while the nominal debt due on them (loans, mortgages etc.,) will inflate. The price for food & fuel, will go up, while the purchasing power of the dollar goes down.
Your minimum wage move will impact it almost instantly. You're completely foolish if you think otherwise.
This is not a politics thing for me... I don't subscribe to parties... NONE of them... I'm just a reasonable person.
You are being unreasonable and for that I'm sorry.
I'm not saying it won't have any impact, it will, ...but it won't be the end of the world as some are making it out to be. In the end, it will do more good than it does harm. If being under the impression that McDonalds will survive, and be able to make do with only $30 billion /yr in annual profits off the backs of their workers, instead of $33 billion /yr, ...then ya, call me unreasonable, ...especially if it means more people are able to support themselves, and live in dignity, instead of having to rely on government assistance. Btw: Where do you think the government gets the money for the meagre assistance it doles out to those on assistance?
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I don't know what the minimum wage is here in Canada either. I think it might be set provincially.
Germany has extremely high auto sales, ...but not sure sales have much to do with it.
I would think domestic usages of automobiles is more relevant than numbers of sales.
The guy sitting behind the glass at the self service gas pump getting a raise is not going to cause the price consumers pay to increase. If it affects anything, it will affect the cost of that stale bag of peanuts, the bubble gum, and or the cigarettes.
What WILL affect the price at the pump, is the devaluation, and loss of purchasing power currently being orchestrated by the Federal Reserve.
Now who is bat-shit crazy? LOL :D
Bernanke and gang have NOT been trying to keep inflation low, ...they've been trying to CREATE it.
They are delusional enough to think they can control it, ...actually, more accurately, they believe the public is delusional enough to think they can control it, ...but it is beyond their control. The money they are printing hand over fist is simply being hoarded by the banks and kept out of circulation... for now, however, at some point, all that cash WILL flood into the market, resulting in a hyper inflationary deflation. I realize that sounds like quite the contradiction, ...an oxymoron even, but let me explain. The very 'assets' Americans own, or went into debt to purchase (homes, land, etc) will deflate. These will drop in price, while the nominal debt due on them (loans, mortgages etc.,) will inflate. The price for food & fuel, will go up, while the purchasing power of the dollar goes down.
I'm not saying it won't have any impact, it will, ...but it won't be the end of the world as some are making it out to be. In the end, it will do more good than it does harm. If being under the impression that McDonalds will survive, and be able to make do with only $30 billion /yr in annual profits off the backs of their workers, instead of $33 billion /yr, ...then ya, call me unreasonable, ...especially if it means more people are able to support themselves, and live in dignity, instead of having to rely on government assistance. Btw: Where do you think the government gets the money for the meagre assistance it doles out to those on assistance?
Do you think that people will all of a sudden start working because of a raise of minimum wage?
Historically, that is not accurate.
Also, if you think they are trying to CREATE inflation, why is inflation as low as it has been for so long?
The facts do not equal your narrative.
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Do you think that people will all of a sudden start working because of a raise of minimum wage?
Historically, that is not accurate.
I'm not referring to the unemployed, wasn't even referring to minimum wage.
I was referring to minimum pay scale for unionized McDonalds worker. Big difference.
Also, if you think they are trying to CREATE inflation, why is inflation as low as it has been for so long?
The facts do not equal your narrative.
Because of deflation. Bernanke and crew have been trying to outrun deflation by creating inflation.
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I'm not referring to the unemployed, wasn't even referring to minimum wage.
I was referring to minimum pay scale for unionized McDonalds worker. Big difference.
Because of deflation. Bernanke and crew have been trying to outrun deflation by creating inflation.
Still hasn't happened.
This doom and gloom you speak of has been going on for about 12 years now... Is it all great, nope.
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Still hasn't happened.
This doom and gloom you speak of has been going on for about 12 years now... Is it all great, nope.
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Meet a McDonalds worker who has worked for McDonalds for 10 years.
Here's what happened when she called their helpline in search of some assistance:
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Meet a McDonalds worker who has worked for McDonalds for 10 years.
Here's what happened when she called their helpline in search of some assistance:
Dude... wh y the fuck is she working at Mcdonalds for 10 years.. and why the fuck is she trying to support kids on a McDonalds salary.
Go do something different... don't stay at the same dead end job and bitch about how shitty life is. Move up.
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Dude... wh y the fuck is she working at Mcdonalds for 10 years.. and why the fuck is she trying to support kids on a McDonalds salary.
Go do something different... don't stay at the same dead end job and bitch about how shitty life is. Move up.
This.
McDonalds is a starter job for teenagers and college kids with no skills.
It's not typically a career move.
After 10 years why isn't she in a managerial post?
Did she move up from burgers to fries after 7 years?
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This.
McDonalds is a starter job for teenagers and college kids with no skills.
It's not typically a career move.
After 10 years why isn't she in a managerial post?
Did she move up from burgers to fries after 7 years?
Seriously... she must be a pretty fucking terrible employee if shes just a line worker.
No sympathy for her, clearly she sucks at life.
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Seriously... she must be a pretty fucking terrible employee if shes just a line worker.
No sympathy for her, clearly she sucks at life.
Didnt you use to be a junkie?
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Didnt you use to be a junkie?
Yup. And I climbed out of that hell, put myself to school, and have a promising career (where I started out making more than double what she makes at McDonalds), a healthy one year old son, and a beautiful wife.
Hence the zero sympathy part. I'm sorry, but I have no feelings for someone who just sits on their ass and bitches... if I can turn my life around from the shitstorm I was in, anyone can. They just have to get of their ass and actually make a change.
It's easy to sit around, bitch, and ask for handouts. It's not so easy to actually make a change. People that really, really, try and make a better life, and they run into roadblocks... thats one thing. But someone that works the same fucking dead end minimum wage burger flipping job is either lazy as fuck, stupid as fuck, or a combination thereof.
No sympathy.
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Does that mean you dont have any sympathy for anyone who hasnt been in your shoes?
And even so she is not asking for your sympathy only a raise.
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Does that mean you dont have any sympathy for anyone who hasnt been in your shoes?
And even so she is not asking for your sympathy only a raise.
No, of course not.
As I said, I have no sympathy for a woman that has worked the same MINIMUM WAGE, SKILL LESS, DEAD END JOB for TEN FUCKING YEARS(!!!!!), bitching about not getting paid enough, but not getting off her ass and moving to a better job.
You're not going to get a raise at McDonalds.. Its not a career. Everyone knows that. Shes a fucking moron for trying to make a career out of being a burger flipper... and if she was worth a shit, they probably would have made her a manager.
Sorry, that woman deserves exactly what she's getting... if for only the fact that shes worked there for 10 fucking years and hasn't tried to make a change.
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What makes you think she can get a better job?
Education costs money.
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What makes you think she can get a better job?
Education costs money.
so her options are education or mcdonalds? There is jo other jobs out there? No grants for single mothers? No student loans?
she has options... she has many routes available to her to either ger educated or at the very least find another unskilled job with some OTJ thay pays better, like an office assistant.
Shes either lazy as fuck, in which case fuck her, or shes a terrible employee, in which case shes making what she deserves.
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How do you know she can get another job just like that?
Is unemployment not pretty high?
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How do you know she can get another job just like that?
Is unemployment not pretty high?
ITS BEEN 10 FUCKING YEARS!!!
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ITS BEEN 10 FUCKING YEARS!!!
I've had no issues.
How about you Tony? You had problems landing a job?
I don't buy it... A lot of unemployment's problem is liars trying to get free money.
I know a crew of people who work a job that is a "10 month" job... To keep from being full time, the company has a rule stating that they must take 2 months off.
This means they file for unemployment... Now of course, the rule is that you have to apply for jobs... So they go apply for jobs they are either extremely over qualified for or applying for jobs they have no business getting.
All to keep the unemployment checks flowing.
So while it's high, I don't buy that it's high because the economy is bad... Most standard economic indicators out there says otherwise.
A lot of it is just people being fuckin' lazy.
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I've had no issues.
How about you Tony? You had problems landing a job?
I don't buy it... A lot of unemployment's problem is liars trying to get free money.
I know a crew of people who work a job that is a "10 month" job... To keep from being full time, the company has a rule stating that they must take 2 months off.
This means they file for unemployment... Now of course, the rule is that you have to apply for jobs... So they go apply for jobs they are either extremely over qualified for or applying for jobs they have no business getting.
All to keep the unemployment checks flowing.
So while it's high, I don't buy that it's high because the economy is bad... Most standard economic indicators out there says otherwise.
A lot of it is just people being fuckin' lazy.
ive had zero issues getting a job as well, even in 08-10, before I gor my education and right after the crash.
This woman sounds like she is a terrible employee... who works at Mcdonalds for 10 years without making manager?
There is plenty of jobs out there... especially ones that are marginally better than mcdonalds. I dont know anyone who wanted tk work and couldnt...
I know plenty if people that refused to work because they couldnt find a job that paid the same or better than they got prior to rhe recession,so they stayed on unemployement because it was easier abd they refused to work for less than their highest income.
especially in texas, if you couldnt find a job in texas you were a fucking failure.
a woman that works for the same entry level minimum wage job for 10 years either has no work ethic, no skills, no drive, or is a complete idiot.
IMHO shes probably making exactly what shes worth. If she was worth more shed have gone out and made a change by now.
seriously, people are guaranteed a living wage just for existing... you camt assume someone should have a raise just because she takes up space....
if I was her manager id be telling her to go look for a job that actually has the opportunity to move up.
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Dude... wh y the fuck is she working at Mcdonalds for 10 years.. and why the fuck is she trying to support kids on a McDonalds salary.
Go do something different... don't stay at the same dead end job and bitch about how shitty life is. Move up.
Like what? ...staying home collecting welfare, ...at taxpayers expense?
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Yup. And I climbed out of that hell, put myself to school, and have a promising career (where I started out making more than double what she makes at McDonalds), a healthy one year old son, and a beautiful wife.
Hence the zero sympathy part. I'm sorry, but I have no feelings for someone who just sits on their ass and bitches... if I can turn my life around from the shitstorm I was in, anyone can. They just have to get of their ass and actually make a change.
It's easy to sit around, bitch, and ask for handouts. It's not so easy to actually make a change. People that really, really, try and make a better life, and they run into roadblocks... thats one thing. But someone that works the same fucking dead end minimum wage burger flipping job is either lazy as fuck, stupid as fuck, or a combination thereof.
No sympathy.
Or stuck in a vicious cycle she has difficulty escaping due to obligations to her family.
Perhaps maybe if her employers were to pay a decent wage that fairly compensated her for her work...
Nah, that would be too easy. Much easier to blame the person who is actually working and trying to make ends meet, ...not her employer. My God, the idea that someone could even think of putting a dent in the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars in profits her employer make annually, to give her a few extra measley buck an hour...
And I suppose it's really easy to walk away from a job in a horrible economy when you have 3 mouths to feed.
As an aside, it is interesting to note the levels of hostility that can be directed at an innocent person, when what we see about their lives scares us. I wonder where that fear comes from? What does it mean? Do we see too much of ourselves in them, ...and it scares the poop out of us? Hmmm...
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Or stuck in a vicious cycle she has difficulty escaping due to obligations to her family.
Perhaps maybe if her employers were to pay a decent wage that fairly compensated her for her work...
Nah, that would be too easy. Much easier to blame the person who is actually working and trying to make ends meet, ...not her employer. My God, the idea that someone could even think of putting a dent in the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars in profits her employer make annually, to give her a few extra measley buck an hour...
And I suppose it's really easy to walk away from a job in a horrible economy when you have 3 mouths to feed.
As an aside, it is interesting to note the levels of hostility that can be directed at an innocent person, when what we see about their lives scares us. I wonder where that fear comes from? What does it mean? Do we see too much of ourselves in them, ...and it scares the poop out of us? Hmmm...
her shitty decisions to have a family while making the wage she does is not my nor anyone elses problem.
I think minimum wage for working at McDonalds is more than fair, so mission fucking accomplished.....
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WORKING AT MCDONALDS WITH 3 FUCKING KIDS?
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Like what? ...staying home collecting welfare, ...at taxpayers expense?
you act like its either be total social drag or work at mcdonalds and be a social drag are her only options.
Maybe she has limited choices now as a result of her MORONIC decision to have 3 fucking kids on mcdonalds pay but why should that be our problem?
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Like what? ...staying home collecting welfare, ...at taxpayers expense?
How about finding a better job THAN FUCKING MCDONALDS.
youre bullshit about fair pay is just that... bullshit. Mcdonalds is a job for teenagers and college kids. Scratch that, not even college kids. If shes too shitty of ab employee to get promoted to manager in 10 years and too lazy to find another job then shes probably getting paid exactly what she deserves.
newsflash - shes not owed a living just for existing and having a vagina. Therebis nothing.. LITERALLY NOTHING stopping someone from applying to other places. If they wont hire her because she fucking sucks, well thats her issue. Mcdonalds shouldnt be required to pay someone more money because she was irresponsible, had kids, and isnt a good enough employee to rise through the ranks in TEN YEARSof the LOWEST LEVEL JOB in the US. Seriously.
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you act like its either be total social drag or work at mcdonalds and be a social drag are her only options.
Maybe she has limited choices now as a result of her MORONIC decision to have 3 fucking kids on mcdonalds pay but why should that be our problem?
LOL, I'm going to give you a minute to sit back, calm yourself down, ...and think of how stupid a statement you just made, ...considering your position in this.
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Ok, are you done laughing at yourself now? 'Cause I'm done laughing at you...
The fact is, low wages at places like McDonalds & Walmart already ARE your problem.
As taxpayers, you are supplementing their meagre hourly wages to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars per year.
IF, however, their employers were to pay them decent liveable wages, you wouldn't have to pay to feed & clothes her kids. No point in arguing about her kids. She got them, ...they're not crawling back up in her uterus, and it's way too late for the vasectomy.
Sheesh, you rant as if her raise would be coming out of YOUR pocket. ::)
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LOL, I'm going to give you a minute to sit back, calm yourself down, ...and think of how stupid a statement you just made, ...considering your position in this.
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Ok, are you done laughing at yourself now? 'Cause I'm done laughing at you...
The fact is, low wages at places like McDonalds & Walmart already ARE your problem.
As taxpayers, you are supplementing their meagre hourly wages to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars per year.
IF, however, their employers were to pay them decent liveable wages, you wouldn't have to pay to feed & clothes her kids. No point in arguing about her kids. She got them, ...they're not crawling back up in her uterus, and it's way too late for the vasectomy.
Sheesh, you rant as if her raise would be coming out of YOUR pocket. ::)
that has zero to di with the argument. She is not owed anything just because she exists and was dumb enough to pump out 3 kids with no financial way to support them. Thats not Mcdonalds problem. And shes asking them to make it their problem.
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LOL, I'm going to give you a minute to sit back, calm yourself down, ...and think of how stupid a statement you just made, ...considering your position in this.
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Ok, are you done laughing at yourself now? 'Cause I'm done laughing at you...
The fact is, low wages at places like McDonalds & Walmart already ARE your problem.
As taxpayers, you are supplementing their meagre hourly wages to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars per year.
IF, however, their employers were to pay them decent liveable wages, you wouldn't have to pay to feed & clothes her kids. No point in arguing about her kids. She got them, ...they're not crawling back up in her uterus, and it's way too late for the vasectomy.
Sheesh, you rant as if her raise would be coming out of YOUR pocket. ::)
I agree, so youre argument is to kick her of the tax payer tit and make a lesson so future dumb asses know not to do that?
I agree whole heartedly.
PS you didnt answer my question con woman, I asked WHY is should be our problem...
so your general thesis is that a person should be able to be as big a fuck up as they want, make shitty life decisions and have no adverse effects...got it
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I agree, so youre argument is to kick her of the tax payer tit and make a lesson so future dumb asses know not to do that?
I agree whole heartedly.
PS you didnt answer my question con woman, I asked WHY is should be our problem...
so your general thesis is that a person should be able to be as big a fuck up as they want, make shitty life decisions and have no adverse effects...got it
yes, and their employer should be the one to pick up the slack for her fuck ups, because, well 'they make too much profit anyway'.
Epic. A job is a contract between employee and employer... if she goes to negotiate for higher pay and they say no, she can always go find someone else to do business with
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How about finding a better job THAN FUCKING MCDONALDS.
youre bullshit about fair pay is just that... bullshit. Mcdonalds is a job for teenagers and college kids. Scratch that, not even college kids. If shes too shitty of ab employee to get promoted to manager in 10 years and too lazy to find another job then shes probably getting paid exactly what she deserves.
Actually most of the daytime shift, if not ALL of the daytime shift at my local McDonalds are adults. :-\
newsflash - shes not owed a living just for existing and having a vagina.
She's not owed a living for existing and having a vagina. She owed a living for getting and busting her hump everyday for an ungrateful & exploitative employer
Therebis nothing.. LITERALLY NOTHING stopping someone from applying to other places. If they wont hire her because she fucking sucks, well thats her issue. Mcdonalds shouldnt be required to pay someone more money because she was irresponsible, had kids, and isnt a good enough employee to rise through the ranks in TEN YEARSof the LOWEST LEVEL JOB in the US. Seriously.
And you know for a fact that she was irresponsible in having kids? You know for a fact she sucks?
Working at McDonald is the lowest level job in the U.S.A? Really? Worse than the guy who walks up & down, on his feet wearing a sandwich board, and handing out flyers dressed in the chicken suit?
Worse than the guy who personally tests each rectal thermometer before it leaves the factory?
Worse than the industrial pig farmer who has to fist a pig, then climb on her back and diddle her clitoris to make sure the insemination took?
Worse than being a prostitute?
Do you really resent the idea that a corporation already receiving oodles in unnecessary corporate welfare, and paying little to no taxes, might have to fork out a few extra dollars an hour, and cut into it's hundreds of billions of dollars in annual profit? Or is the truth more along the lines that you consider fast-food workers to be beneath you? And seeing them get an increase in pay just completely upsets the balance of power. You see someone you consider beneath you moving up in the world, ...while you're.... What are you doing? From that perspective, it may feel like you're not even standing still, but far worse, ...actually getting left behind. Could that be the reason for the hostility? I don't know. I don't know you from Adam, ...and I've never claimed to be a psychologist, ...but I have seen crabs in a barrel before.
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LMFAO yes but the who made the decision to have 3 kids while working at mcdonalds is not greedy at all...LMFAO
you limp wristed libtards are so hypocritical you miss the forest for the trees.
you never answered my question convict, why should her shitty decisions be anyone elses responsibility?
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Maybe she works for Mcd so she doesnt have to burden the society by being on welfare?
And she might be dumb as a pile rocks therefore no advancement to a better job?
I agree about the 3 kids though. Having 3 kids when you cant pay for them is not responsible. But it makes better sense to raise the min wage so she can support them herself. If she "breaks down" the bill to the society will be much greater.
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yes, and their employer should be the one to pick up the slack for her fuck ups, because, well 'they make too much profit anyway'.
And what would you categorize as "her fuck ups" Please tell us all exactly how she or any other worker stuck in a dead end job "fucked up"
Epic. A job is a contract between employee and employer... if she goes to negotiate for higher pay and they say no, she can always go find someone else to do business with
So WTF are you and everyone else screaming about then? Isn't that what the fast food workers union is doing?
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And what would you categorize as "her fuck ups" Please tell us all exactly how she or any other worker stuck in a dead end job "fucked up"
So WTF are you and everyone else screaming about then? Isn't that what the fast food workers union is doing?
Nice post woman ;)
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Maybe she works for Mcd so she doesnt have to burden the society by being on welfare?
And she might be dumb as a pile rocks therefore no advancement to a better job?
I agree about the 3 kids though. Having 3 kids when you cant pay for them is not responsible. But it makes better sense to raise the min wage so she can support them herself. If she "breaks down" the bill to the society will be much greater.
so again the libtard thesis is that a person can be as big a fuck up as they want, make shitty life decisions and society is responsible for providing for them?
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so again the libtard thesis is that a person can be as big a fuck up as they want, make shitty life decisions and society is responsible for providing for them?
You are looking at it from a personal perspective.
Try looking at it from a business perspective. Cost benefit.
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And what would you categorize as "her fuck ups" Please tell us all exactly how she or any other worker stuck in a dead end job "fucked up"
So WTF are you and everyone else screaming about then? Isn't that what the fast food workers union is doing?
nice talking points now lets see the data behind them...
where are the $4000 in corp subsidies broken down?
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You are looking at it from a personal perspective.
Try looking at it from a business perspective. Cost benefit.
easier decision then, cut them off the public tit and others will learn that they cannot make shitty life decisions and expect others to come to the rescue.
much cheaper
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You are looking at it from a personal perspective.
Try looking at it from a business perspective. Cost benefit.
I am. Strictly from an employer/employee relationship.
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I am. Strictly from an employer/employee relationship.
he doesnt really want you to look at it from a business perspective b/c that would mean we let these fuck ups deal with the situations they created on their own like they should.
He said that b/c he felt it justified his liberal views that we should be there to take care of people no matter how bad they fuck up or how many shitty decisions they make.
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And what would you categorize as "her fuck ups" Please tell us all exactly how she or any other worker stuck in a dead end job "fucked up"
So WTF are you and everyone else screaming about then? Isn't that what the fast food workers union is doing?
theyre not stuck. Please explain to me one reason why a person couldnt look for another job?
Her fuck up is having 3 kids on Mcdonalds salary. I dont even know why im arguing with you, you feel that Mcdonalds has some obligation to pay their employee enough to support 3 kids just because she was dumb enough to get knocked up.
heres the deal - shes not owed shit. If shes busting her rumo and not being compensated, nothing but herself is stopping her from finding another job.
Period, end of sentence.
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Maybe she works for Mcd so she doesnt have to burden the society by being on welfare?
And she might be dumb as a pile rocks therefore no advancement to a better job?
I agree about the 3 kids though. Having 3 kids when you cant pay for them is not responsible. But it makes better sense to raise the min wage so she can support them herself. If she "breaks down" the bill to the society will be much greater.
again... her only w options are welfare3 or mcdonalds? She not capable of filing papers for any number of places looking for an office assistant? Of getting gov help to get an education? Not capable of doing ANYTHING besides flipping burgers or being on welfare?
She could go out and find another job that pays better. Instead she wants Mcdonalds to increase her pay because she has 3 kids and cant support them, which is not their problem. She is responsible for her wellbeing, for finding a job that will pay what she wants, and for taking care of her kids. If Mcdonalds wont do it, fine, then go find another job in between her 5 hour 4 day weekly shifts.
mcdonalds has no legal obligation to pay anything that they dont deem necessary or fair, and no one, not even this woman, has an obligation to work for them for less pay than they deserve.
if shes there, shez there because she CHOOSES TO BE.
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I am. Strictly from an employer/employee relationship.
I was answering another post with that one.
Hard to keep up sometimes :)
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easier decision then, cut them off the public tit and others will learn that they cannot make shitty life decisions and expect others to come to the rescue.
much cheaper
And how much do you think those 3 children would end up costing society? Use your brain
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And how much do you think those 3 children would end up costing society? Use your brain
nope they are a part of that family, shitty situation...Still not mine or anyone elses responsibility.
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again... her only w options are welfare3 or mcdonalds? She not capable of filing papers for any number of places looking for an office assistant? Of getting gov help to get an education? Not capable of doing ANYTHING besides flipping burgers or being on welfare?
She could go out and find another job that pays better. Instead she wants Mcdonalds to increase her pay because she has 3 kids and cant support them, which is not their problem. She is responsible for her wellbeing, for finding a job that will pay what she wants, and for taking care of her kids. If Mcdonalds wont do it, fine, then go find another job in between her 5 hour 4 day weekly shifts.
mcdonalds has no legal obligation to pay anything that they dont deem necessary or fair, and no one, not even this woman, has an obligation to work for them for less pay than they deserve.
if shes there, shez there because she CHOOSES TO BE.
Also, what does corporate greed have to do with this?
Whether or not I think CEOs are paid too much has nothing to do with the fact I don't think McDonald's workers are under paid... They are paid as much as they should be to do that job.
The job of a high school kid.
The job of someone who should not be having 3 fucking kids and trying to support them.
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Also, what does corporate greed have to do with this?
Whether or not I think CEOs are paid too much has nothing to do with the fact I don't think McDonald's workers are under paid... They are paid as much as they should be to do that job.
The job of a high school kid.
The job of someone who should not be having 3 fucking kids and trying to support them.
Agreed. Mcdonalds profit margins don't have shit to do with the worth of a fry cook. Not to mention that there is no legality about how much an employee has to make minimum as a % of their total profit margin, or compared to their highest earner, or any bullshit like that.
Is it morally wrong? Thats debatable. Is it legally wrong? Not at all.
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you guys are not looking at it through the eyes of a libtard
in their eyes it is about fairness and fairness is determined by what they have compared to others not by what a person should be paid for the service they provide.
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you guys are not looking at it through the eyes of a libtard
in their eyes it is about fairness and fairness is determined by what they have compared to others not by what a person should be paid for the service they provide.
retarded. Worth isnt something determined by what others have. Its determined by what skills you have, how well you market yourself, and what the market is willing to pay.
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retarded. Worth isnt something determined by what others have. Its determined by what skills you have, how well you market yourself, and what the market is willing to pay.
libtards, do you agree or not?
we know the answer already....
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nope they are a part of that family, shitty situation...Still not mine or anyone elses responsibility.
So why do you insist on supporting them with your taxes, and tax subsidies to her employer?
Why are you so adamant to stand in her way, when she and her co-workers attempt to renegotiate their remuneration between themselves?
THINK MAN! THINK!!!!
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I happen to be of the opinion that that if you hire someone FULL-TIME, they should be able to come away with a liveable wage, ...otherwise it's barely a step up from slavery.
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So why do you insist on supporting them with your taxes, and tax subsidies to her employer?
Why are you so adamant to stand in her way, when she and her co-workers attempt to renegotiate their remuneration between themselves?
THINK MAN! THINK!!!!
where did I say I wanted to support their shitty decisions with my tax dollars?
maybe if you learned to comprehend others posts instead of trying to pimp barely legal entities while praying you dont end up back in jail you would get that I am A-Ok letting these people deal with the shitty decisions they have made on their own.
Maybe then their children and others will understand its not other peoples responsibility to take care of their fuck ups.
If it is between the employer and the employee thats fine, dont try and get the govt to mandate a higher wage though.
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I happen to be of the opinion that that if you hire someone FULL-TIME, they should be able to come away with a liveable wage, ...otherwise it's barely a step up from slavery.
define liveable wage libtard, its a cute buzz word and talking point but doesnt mean anything in the real world.
does liveable wage include the right to have 3 children?
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where did I say I wanted to support their shitty decisions with my tax dollars?
maybe if you learned to comprehend others posts instead of trying to pimp barely legal entities while praying you dont end up back in jail you would get that I am A-Ok letting these people deal with the shitty decisions they have made on their own.
Maybe if you pulled your head from out of your anatomy, you would be able to tell the difference between a white man from California, and a Black woman from Canada. Michael Forrest was put in jail. I am NOT Michael Forrest. I do not know Michael Forrest, and have never had anything to do with him. You know that, yet you keep making these libelous statements. It adds nothing to your credibility to continue to do so.
Maybe then their children and others will understand its not other peoples responsibility to take care of their fuck ups.
You still have yet to tell me what her "fuck ups" are. I'm waiting...
If it is between the employer and the employee thats fine, dont try and get the govt to mandate a higher wage though.
So why the heck are you even flapping your gums in this thread then? Just love to type... is that it?
Fast food workers weren't holding random rotating strikes on the Gov't. They were doing it at McDonalds.
And why shouldn't underpaid workers seek redress through the Gov't.
Minimum wage was originally fixed to ensure that all workers had a liveable wage, and that workers in the USA were not reduced to working all week for a bowl of rice, ...or in her case a McFlurry and a Happy Meal.
The cost of living has gone up significantly. During those 10 years, I'm sure McDonalds has raised it's prices, yet they continue to benefit & profit from the work of hundreds of thousands like her.
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retarded. Worth isnt something determined by what others have. Its determined by what skills you have, how well you market yourself, and what the market is willing to pay.
Not in the minds of the lazy/jealous/idiotic.
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You don't think having 3 kids while working at a mcdonalds and living on a mcdonalds wage is a fuck up.
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You don't think having 3 kids while working at a mcdonalds and living on a mcdonalds wage is a fuck up.
no shit right? No, having kids without being able to pay for them isnt a fuckup, her employer is clearly responsible for making sure her children are taken care of.
holy fucking broken ass logic.
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$8 Big Macs!!!! Oh the horror!!!!!
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from site on internet raise the minimum wage
The minimum wage of the past was a stronger standard, providing significantly more buying power than it does today. After its creation in 1938, the value of the minimum wage rose relatively steadily until its value reached a high point in 1968 (when its nominal value was $1.60 an hour). Thereafter, it suffered dramatic erosion as Congress failed to adequately correct for inflation over time.
The minimum wage of $1.60 an hour in 1968 would be $10.56 today when adjusted for inflation [see the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Consumer Price Index inflation calculator.]
10.56 doesn't sound unreasonable
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again... her only w options are welfare3 or mcdonalds? She not capable of filing papers for any number of places looking for an office assistant? Of getting gov help to get an education? Not capable of doing ANYTHING besides flipping burgers or being on welfare?
She could go out and find another job that pays better. Instead she wants Mcdonalds to increase her pay because she has 3 kids and cant support them, which is not their problem. She is responsible for her wellbeing, for finding a job that will pay what she wants, and for taking care of her kids. If Mcdonalds wont do it, fine, then go find another job in between her 5 hour 4 day weekly shifts.
mcdonalds has no legal obligation to pay anything that they dont deem necessary or fair, and no one, not even this woman, has an obligation to work for them for less pay than they deserve.
if shes there, shez there because she CHOOSES TO BE.
And she might be dumb as a pile rocks therefore no advancement to a better job?
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nope they are a part of that family, shitty situation...Still not mine or anyone elses responsibility.
Doesnt matter who do you think ends up with bill for prisons, foster parents etc?
You need to understand the realities of the world you live in.
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I happen to be of the opinion that that if you hire someone FULL-TIME, they should be able to come away with a liveable wage, ...otherwise it's barely a step up from slavery.
1. A couple working at the minimum wage at 40 hours a week will earn almost exactly $30K a year, which is about 60% of median household income in the US. Why do you think that these people are going to die without an increase in wages (i.e., that their wage isn't "liveable")?
2. Why do you presume that increasing the minimum wage -- or having one at all, for that matter -- is the only possible policy for ensuring a liveable wage for all workers? In reality, there is a whole portfolio of options, including increasing the earned income tax credit or outright income subsidies -- both of which do not adversely impact unemployment rates as a minimum wage does.
3. Almost no one gets payed the minimum wage for the duration of their career, because almost no one gets payed the minimum wage at all -- not even 3% of workers receive minimum wage. Therefore, this isn't an economic issue with outstanding significance, but a narrow issue impacting relatively with persons being pushed for political purposes.
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$8 Big Macs!!!! Oh the horror!!!!!
I like my Big Macs less than 5 bucks bro.
I do think the minimum wage should be raised. I don't think 15 bucks an hour is the right number.
That's all.
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And she might be dumb as a pile rocks therefore no advancement to a better job?
You can be dumb as fuck and still be able to file papers, work a field, drive a truck, clean houses, etc, etc, etc, or do something else that isn't burger flipping but pays slightly more.
She obviously isn't management material. Which isn't saying much at McDonalds.
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I like my Big Macs less than 5 bucks bro.
I do think the minimum wage should be raised. I don't think 15 bucks an hour is the right number.
That's all.
Go to a quality place instead.
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Doesnt matter who do you think ends up with bill for prisons, foster parents etc?
You need to understand the realities of the world you live in.
oh so now its about reality?
when your "think about it from a business standpoint" idiocy failed, its now about reality?
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Go to a quality place instead.
LOL so you mean if tu wants something different its up to him to go get it but if these fuck ups want something different its up to us to provide for them?
hahahah nice hypocrisey
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oh so now its about reality?
when your "think about it from a business standpoint" idiocy failed, its now about reality?
This is like talking to a door.
3 kids bills for prisons, forsterhomes etc is expensive for the taxpayers. Thats makes it bad business.
Seriously Tony at least pretend you are learning because im tired having to explain everything to you.
Dont you have a father somewhere who can help?
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This is like talking to a door.
3 kids bills for prisons, forsterhomes etc is expensive for the taxpayers. Thats makes it bad business.
Seriously Tony at least pretend you are learning because im tired having to explain everything to you.
Dont you have a father somewhere who can help?
LMFAO at first you tried to say justify your idiocy by saying think of it like a business. When I pointed out that as a business it would be much cheaper to just cut there fuck ups off and let them deal with their own mistakes you back track and say no dont think about it like a business.
again why not just let these fuck ups deal with their shitty decisions on their own?
Maybe their children will learn a thing or two....
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LOL so you mean if tu wants something different its up to him to go get it but if these fuck ups want something different its up to us to provide for them?
hahahah nice hypocrisey
I meant for Tu to go get a quality burger instead of the Mcd crap.
WTF are you talking about?
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I meant for Tu to go get a quality burger instead of the Mcd crap.
WTF are you talking about?
why not just demand that mcdonalds make better quality food?
I mean apparently we as employees and customers have no choice in where we work or eat...
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And we know for a fact that she's been single, and unmarried when she gave birth?
There's no possibility that she might have situated differently?
Ever heard of divorce, death, illness, turning lives upside down?
I have a friend who married a few years out of college. Her husband totally decided how they would live. As an obedient Christian wife, she followed his wishes, and conformed to her narrowly defined gender roles as dictated by her his band, and laid out by her Church and religion. She would stay home and raise the kids while he worked. A few kids and a few years later, he walks in the door, and announces he wants a divorce and is moving in with his girlfriend. He walked out of the marriage taking only his truck. Her oldest was 7, her youngest was 4. All of a sudden she found herself living in suburbia with 3 small children to raise, no income to speak of, no transportation, and an apartment she couldn't pay for. Finding gainful employment that paid a liveable wage, and allowed her to raise her kids was extremely difficult. She was fortunate enough to be able to find employment that allowed her to work from home, not everyone is that fortunate. it was quite tough and go there for her for about three years, and it's still a struggle everyday. Lucky for her, she had family able to help her. Her brother was a prince who refused to sit by and see his sister, nieces and nephew suffer or go without. They're much older now. Her oldest is in college, and the youngest getting her drivers license. Would you classify her as "fucking up"? If so, what would her fuck up be? Having children, getting married, conforming to societal expectations?
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And we know for a fact that she's been single, and unmarried when she gave birth?
There's no possibility that she might have situated differently?
Ever heard of divorce, death, illness, turning lives upside down?
I have a friend who married a few years out of college. Her husband totally decided how they would live. As an obedient Christian wife, she followed his wishes, and conformed to her narrowly defined gender roles as dictated by her his band, and laid out by her Church and religion. She would stay home and raise the kids while he worked. A few kids and a few years later, he walks in the door, and announces he wants a divorce and is moving in with his girlfriend. He walked out of the marriage taking only his truck. Her oldest was 7, her youngest was 4. All of a sudden she found herself living in suburbia with 3 small children to raise, no income to speak of, no transportation, and an apartment she couldn't pay for. Finding gainful employment that paid a liveable wage, and allowed her to raise her kids was extremely difficult. She was fortunate enough to be able to find employment that allowed her to work from home, not everyone is that fortunate. it was quite tough and go there for her for about three years, and it's still a struggle everyday. Lucky for her, she had family able to help her. Her brother was a prince who refused to sit by and see his sister, nieces and nephew suffer or go without. They're much older now. Her oldest is in college, and the youngest getting her drivers license. Would you classify her as "fucking up"? If so, what would her fuck up be? Having children, getting married, conforming to societal expectations?
I see that as you are trying to silver line that you at least agree that a person working at mcdonalds that has kids is considered a fuck up?
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I see that as you are trying to silver line that you at least agree that a person working at mcdonalds that has kids is considered a fuck up?
That's not what I said.
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That's not what I said.
Its what you didnt say that says volumes....
but since you think I am wrong why dont you answer the question straight up then?
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Its what you didnt say that says volumes....
but since you think I am wrong why dont you answer the question straight up then?
LOL!!
She is flailing.
Typical libtard.
Throw a boatload of crap at the wall and hope something sticks.
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And we know for a fact that she's been single, and unmarried when she gave birth?
There's no possibility that she might have situated differently?
Ever heard of divorce, death, illness, turning lives upside down?
I have a friend who married a few years out of college. Her husband totally decided how they would live. As an obedient Christian wife, she followed his wishes, and conformed to her narrowly defined gender roles as dictated by her his band, and laid out by her Church and religion. She would stay home and raise the kids while he worked. A few kids and a few years later, he walks in the door, and announces he wants a divorce and is moving in with his girlfriend. He walked out of the marriage taking only his truck. Her oldest was 7, her youngest was 4. All of a sudden she found herself living in suburbia with 3 small children to raise, no income to speak of, no transportation, and an apartment she couldn't pay for. Finding gainful employment that paid a liveable wage, and allowed her to raise her kids was extremely difficult. She was fortunate enough to be able to find employment that allowed her to work from home, not everyone is that fortunate. it was quite tough and go there for her for about three years, and it's still a struggle everyday. Lucky for her, she had family able to help her. Her brother was a prince who refused to sit by and see his sister, nieces and nephew suffer or go without. They're much older now. Her oldest is in college, and the youngest getting her drivers license. Would you classify her as "fucking up"? If so, what would her fuck up be? Having children, getting married, conforming to societal expectations?
completely irrelevant. This isnt some "oh shit I lost everything I need some sort of income NOW situation.
This woman has worked there for TEN YEARS. TEN FUCKING YEARS. im sorry but there is literally no excuse that in 10 years this woman is not able to find other employment.
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I have a cousin who took about two years worth of unemployment benefits. Could have been working before those 2 years were up, but chose not to.
Now, he has been at the same job for 3 years. Working less than 40 hours (welcome to the obama economy) and has complained to me about his wage.
I told him get another job or go to some sort of trade school to get some skills. But, he doesn't listen. Continues to complain but doesn't make the effort to improve himself. If he gets laid off, it will be another 2 years of unemployment benefits.
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If he gets laid off, it will be another 2 years of unemployment benefits.
this is turning into the American way
Continues to complain but doesn't make the effort to improve himself.
This is the result
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completely irrelevant. This isnt some "oh shit I lost everything I need some sort of income NOW situation.
This woman has worked there for TEN YEARS. TEN FUCKING YEARS. im sorry but there is literally no excuse that in 10 years this woman is not able to find other employment.
And I'm sure that the prices in 2003 and the cost of living were much lower then than they are in 2013.
So what do you propose? That you continue to subsidize the support of her family indefinitely? ...that she quit her job, ...and have you pay to support her and her 3 kids for the next 2 years? ...or would you prefer her employer pay her a wage that enables her to support herself and her family, so you won't have to?
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And I'm sure that the prices in 2003 and the cost of living were much lower then than they are in 2013.
So what do you propose? That you continue to subsidize the support of her family indefinitely? ...that she quit her job, ...and have you pay to support her and her 3 kids for the next 2 years? ...or would you prefer her employer pay her a wage that enables her to support herself and her family, so you won't have to?
this is fucking irrelevant to the point. Youre flailing all over the place.
anyway, id prefer for her to go out and FIND A JOB CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING HER AND HER KIDS. She can apply for other jobs while she works full time you know, or *gasp* even work 2 jobs for a while until she gets back on her feet!! In ten years she shod have been able to find a job that laid enough to support her family, instead shes too lazy or too stupid to change and she wants her employee to pick up the slack.
newsflash - youre not making enough, employer wont gice you a raise, GO SOMEWHERE THAT WILL. She doesnt have to quit her job to find another one you know. You act like its impossible to do anything else while working full time, like she couldnt fill out applications or take nigjt courses.
Zomg how horrid, that a woman trying to support 3 kids may actually have to sacrifice a little bit to raise the 3 mouths she brought into the world.
all I hear from you is excuse after excuse of why this woman shouldnt be required to take responsibility for providing for herself and her family, and why its all her employers responsibility, because dammit, mcdonalds should have to pay a woman enough to take care of her 3 kids, well, because she gets up everyday and punches a fucking button om a register and wipes down tables, dammit. Clearly that is worth the income to support 3 kids.
How much profit mcdonalds makes is irrelevant. How many kids she has is irrelevant. Cost of living is irrelevant.
Her skills and her everday workload is whats relevant. And its sure as hell not worth the amount it takes to raise 3 children.
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this is fucking irrelevant to the point. Youre flailing all over the place.
Actually I don't think it's irrelevant at all. I think that's the very point.
anyway, id prefer for her to go out and FIND A JOB CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING HER AND HER KIDS.
I think that's what striking fast food workers want as well, ...a job that pays them enough to support themselves and their families. They've already got the first part down. What do you have against them achieving the 2nd part through a little collective bargaining with their employers?
She can apply for other jobs while she works full time you know, or *gasp* even work 2 jobs for a while until she gets back on her feet!! In ten years she shod have been able to find a job that laid enough to support her family, instead shes too lazy or too stupid to change and she wants her employee to pick up the slack.
newsflash - youre not making enough, employer wont gice you a raise, GO SOMEWHERE THAT WILL. She doesnt have to quit her job to find another one you know. You act like its impossible to do anything else while working full time, like she couldnt fill out applications or take nigjt courses.
Ok, so she takes on another job, ..and goes to night school. Not sure where she'd find the money to go to night school when she can barely feed herself as it is... But let's say she somehow manages to do that. How long do you think it will be before you start paying to support her kids in prison? ...because I don't think it would be long before 3 kids without parenting on the mean streets of Chicago start getting into crime.
Zomg how horrid, that a woman trying to support 3 kids may actually have to sacrifice a little bit to raise the 3 mouths she brought into the world.
Of course, ...just like the Virgin Mary, ...she brought them into the world completely by herself. ::)
all I hear from you is excuse after excuse of why this woman shouldnt be required to take responsibility for providing for herself and her family, and why its all her employers responsibility, because dammit, mcdonalds should have to pay a woman enough to take care of her 3 kids, well, because she gets up everyday and punches a fucking button om a register and wipes down tables, dammit. Clearly that is worth the income to support 3 kids.
I could be antiquated in my thinking, but I happen to believe that when getting up everyday, and punching fucking buttons on a register, wiping down tables, etc., puts hundreds of billions of dollars in your employers pocket, then you deserve to at least earn a living wage.
How much profit mcdonalds makes is irrelevant. How many kids she has is irrelevant. Cost of living is irrelevant.
Part of Americas problem is she is allowing huge profitable corporations to suck at the public teat, while exploiting her own citizens the same way they have exploited 3rd world labourers for years, ...and Americans applaud this. It is selfish & greedy IMO.
Her skills and her everday workload is whats relevant. And its sure as hell not worth the amount it takes to raise 3 children.
Please see my above two paragraphs
I just saw "12 Years a Slave", and your argument reminds of the reason Patsy ran off to Master Shaw's plantation.
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samson why do you keep skipping over valid questions?
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Actually I don't think it's irrelevant at all. I think that's the very point.
I think that's what striking fast food workers want as well, ...a job that pays them enough to support themselves and their families. They've already got the first part down. What do you have against them achieving the 2nd part through a little collective bargaining with their employers?
Ok, so she takes on another job, ..and goes to night school. Not sure where she'd find the money to go to night school when she can barely feed herself as it is... But let's say she somehow manages to do that. How long do you think it will be before you start paying to support her kids in prison? ...because I don't think it would be long before 3 kids without parenting on the mean streets of Chicago start getting into crime.
Of course, ...just like the Virgin Mary, ...she brought them into the world completely by herself. ::)
I could be antiquated in my thinking, but I happen to believe that when getting up everyday, and punching fucking buttons on a register, wiping down tables, etc., puts hundreds of billions of dollars in your employers pocket, then you deserve to at least earn a living wage.
Part of Americas problem is she is allowing huge profitable corporations to suck at the public teat, while exploiting her own citizens the same way they have exploited 3rd world labourers for years, ...and Americans applaud this. It is selfish & greedy IMO.
Please see my above two paragraphs
I just saw "12 Years a Slave", and your argument reminds of the reason Patsy ran off to Master Shaw's plantation.
you said more without saying anything than any post ive ever read, and managed to throw the race cardin their as well. Good job.
Obviously there is no reason to debate with you, you feel shes owed a certain amount of money just because she chooses to show up, and somehow getting paid a low wage is tantamount to slavery even though shes free at ant time to find a job anywhere else.
you maam, have no fucking clue what youre talking about, youre just arguing because 'its wrong dammit! She comes to work and those evil mcdonalds people make too much so they should give her more!!!'
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She needs to shut up.and.make some fries.
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you said more without saying anything than any post ive ever read, and managed to throw the race cardin their as well. Good job.
Obviously there is no reason to debate with you, you feel shes owed a certain amount of money just because she chooses to show up, and somehow getting paid a low wage is tantamount to slavery even though shes free at ant time to find a job anywhere else.
you maam, have no fucking clue what youre talking about, youre just arguing because 'its wrong dammit! She comes to work and those evil mcdonalds people make too much so they should give her more!!!'
Shockwave, this is not meant as a flame, but did you see 12 years a slave?
If you have, then why would you have equated my comment with having thrown in the race card? My comment had nothing to do with race, but rather with a similarity of situations. Please don't make a blanket assumption based on nothing more than a film title. I was referring to a particular scene in the film that I believe has striking similarities to this woman's situation.
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Shockwave, this is not meant as a flame, but did you see 12 years a slave?
If you have, then why would you have equated my comment with having thrown in the race card? My comment had nothing to do with race, but rather with a similarity of situations. Please don't make a blanket assumption based on nothing more than a film title. I was referring to a particular scene in the film that I believe has striking similarities to this woman's situation.
for fucks sake youre a damn idiot
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for fucks sake youre a damn idiot
Happy New Year to you too :D
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Happy New Year to you too :D
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haha indeed to you too, whats the scam going to be this year jagson?
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Shockwave, this is not meant as a flame, but did you see 12 years a slave?
If you have, then why would you have equated my comment with having thrown in the race card? My comment had nothing to do with race, but rather with a similarity of situations. Please don't make a blanket assumption based on nothing more than a film title. I was referring to a particular scene in the film that I believe has striking similarities to this woman's situation.
Its nothing like slavery. She can leave any time she wants. No one is forcing her to work for McDonalds, she's not an indentured servant, nothing, nada, zero. I have not seen the movie and frankly I don't care. It has zero relevance to the topic at hand. You're trying all these sideways arguments and literally none of them have any bearing to the topic. Your whole argument is that it's wrong because the company makes so much profit, which is nothing but an emotional knee jerk reaction and you have no way to back it up besides those emotions. There is no law against it, and there is no logic for it. She's pushes a button and cleans tables.
Sorry, but thats not worth a wage to support 3 kids. And if Mcdonalds isn't willing to pay her that wage (and rightfully so), she is free to go find a job that WILL pay her what she needs to live. Mcdonalds is not liable to make sure she can support 3 kids on their wage.
Period, end of sentence.
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Your whole argument is that it's wrong because the company makes so much profit, which is nothing but an emotional knee jerk reaction and you have no way to back it up besides those emotions. There is no law against it, and there is no logic for it. She's pushes a button and cleans tables.
Sorry, but thats not worth a wage to support 3 kids. And if Mcdonalds isn't willing to pay her that wage (and rightfully so), she is free to go find a job that WILL pay her what she needs to live. Mcdonalds is not liable to make sure she can support 3 kids on their wage.
Period, end of sentence.
BOOOM morons
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Its nothing like slavery. She can leave any time she wants. No one is forcing her to work for McDonalds, she's not an indentured servant, nothing, nada, zero. I have not seen the movie and frankly I don't care. It has zero relevance to the topic at hand. You're trying all these sideways arguments and literally none of them have any bearing to the topic. Your whole argument is that it's wrong because the company makes so much profit, which is nothing but an emotional knee jerk reaction and you have no way to back it up besides those emotions. There is no law against it, and there is no logic for it. She's pushes a button and cleans tables.
Nowhere have I stated she is experiencing slavery, or that she is an indentured servant.
I would like to respectfully submit that if you have not seen the movie to which I refer, then you have no frame of reference for the point that I'm making, and really should refrain from commenting on it. It's beyond ridiculous to say "I haven't seen it. I have no idea what you're refering to, but it foesn't apply. C'mon?!?! There's no shame in saying, I don't know what you're refering to so I'm not qualified to make a statement about it.
Sorry, but thats not worth a wage to support 3 kids. And if Mcdonalds isn't willing to pay her that wage (and rightfully so), she is free to go find a job that WILL pay her what she needs to live. Mcdonalds is not liable to make sure she can support 3 kids on their wage.
Period, end of sentence.
...or she is free to pursue a better arrangement through collective bargaining with her co-workers and persuade her employer to increase her wages? What do you have against that?
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force de union ize all utilities
gov jobs
private jobs
fedex
end all pensions
end public school
end money for universities through grants etc.
end tax exempt status for education
end all education tax breaks
let market provide
enuf overpriced bs
de regulate