Marco Luis - Portuguese bodybuilder dies in Köln, Germany

[Van_Bilderass]

I GET WHAT YOU SAY ...and agree on most,but old school builds are hardly even remotley close to what a natural can ever achieve,i know you were being part facetious ,yes builds then to now are totally different in retrospect..

Exactly, I was being facetious. Zane and Arnold were the pinnacle of blown up roid physiques at the time, totally beyond "natural," just making the point that his fantasies about regular guys "blowing up" on those low doses were just that, romaticised fantasies. MIND you, a tab of Anadrol was and IS potent for a steroid, Matt C here showed that he put on some size on even just half a tab of FAKE CHINESE Anadrol lol.

He just doesn't get it, everyone uses China crap, all the pros use "bathtub" steroids, they don't have any special connects. Now that I think of it, Iran does have a nice Anadrol lol, but there's nothing extra special about it. I've used pharma Anadrol too, like the Turkish Anapolon and Greek Oxybolone and Thai Androlic, it's all the same shit.

[Rusty Trombone]

Dafuk is this polemic about. Anadrol is Anadrol,it's dirt cheap to produce and not really much faked. It does not do miracles either. Fuck

[Amerian Muscle]

I don't understand why bald manlets even bother with putting their health on the line for gains. Their gains will serve no purpose. Like putting lipstick on a pig

[irishdave]

I don't understand why bald manlets even bother with putting their health on the line for gains. Their gains will serve no purpose. Like putting lipstick on a pig

Because they are small men who are trying hard to be big men which they never will be

[Amerian Muscle]

Because they are small men who are trying hard to be big men which they never will be

weird. I understand looking after yourself even if you are hopeless but not destroying yourself for nothing.

[Bevo]

The simple problem with what you're saying is that you have zero substantive basis for what you're saying. You are simply supposing things, wrongly.

These are facts:

- Real steroids are made in countries like China.

- They are dirt cheap to produce.

- Quality has been assessed by customs and government labs in the west, such as the US and Europe.

- Quality testing is accessible to even the the end consumer.

- Quality is constantly checked by dealers and distributors as well as some end consumers. This is demanded by the market currently.

- Drug testing orgs like WADA are constantly exerting political pressure on countries manufacturing PEDs because all athletes use these same labs to produce their PEDs and you can also simply order *custom synthesis* of any PED that's never even been on the market if you simply have the chemical formula. All these "SARMs" have never been sold anywhere as drugs but they are popping up on drug tests by WADA et al.

- In many cases underground PEDs are actually overdosed, simply because the raw material costs nothing (the cost for an underground lab is in procuring the drug and getting it through customs) and because every lab wants to have the most "potent" products. Some growth hormone products, which is notoriously expensive and hard to produce, have been shown to sometimes contain, for example, 15 units per vial instead of the advertised 10 units.

Now, where you have a point is in that you lack several quality control steps where "mistakes" with compounds can occur and where some shady outfits may move some expensive compound they switched to a cheaper one. None of this means there is no access to real, pure chemical raw materials, how hard is this for you to comprehend? If I order a steroid powder by myself from China, and then send it to an independent lab for quality control testing, why is that compound fake anyways? It makes no sense.

And further, as you know, testosterone level testing is extremely common these days and accurate. Will you accept that? If then innumerable consumers have tested their levels on underground as well as US pharmacy prescribed test and it comes back as saying the UG is exactly just as potent, how is the test fake then? And would you believe, many consumers have had relatively bad labs on many pharmacy brands of testosterone... showing that even they aren't always perfect. In fact, many drugs allow 10% variation in drug content, so for example a legit test could theoretically be 180mg instead of 200mg and still pass quality control. So of course a UG test that is overdosed like say 280mg instead of 250mg  ould seem more potent than a pharmacy brand.

You are simply out of your depth here. You can't prove any of your assertions. You saying guys "blew up" on 50mg of Anadrol back in the day is just romantic wishful thinking. If not, show us these blown up physiques lol. Go look at Pumping Iron, they all looked like what "naturals" do today. Then go to a current pro show and look at the fake drug physiques and compare to the 200mg of real Deca and 15mg of Ciba Dianabol physiques back in the day lol.

This is another novel length post but I'm just trying to get these points through your thick skull.

And I'm not defending drugs because drugs make me "look good." I look like shit, all this is beside the point.

EDIT: and why is it obvious the fella was on a lot of drugs? If you look at his posts on forums he got most all his drugs from underground sources. There is no TREN from any human use above ground laboratory just as an example. It's ALL from CHINA. He said he could buy growth hormone from a Portuguese pharmacy for 210 bucks a pen but as he said, why would he as he could get underground tested GH four times cheaper and thus could afford to take many times more.

Is this what you mean by REAL ANADROL? Is the 2nd pic FAKE ANADROL

Van owning oldtimer who has no clue about gear

[AbrahamG]

Van owning oldtimer who has no clue about gear

A well deserved owning at that.  Not sure why oldgeezer felt compelled to attack Van.

[20inch calves]

I don't understand why bald manlets even bother with putting their health on the line for gains. Their gains will serve no purpose. Like putting lipstick on a pig

Right...he was taking diuretics yr round for his swollen feet and ankles. From what I read his urine was putrid and he texted his guru..found out his kidneys were failing n kept blasting anway. He was doing up to 70-100us of insulin 3x's a day and 20 ius of GH

[LurkerNoMore]

Big "Bat Boy" energy from that pic -

.

RIP.

hahahaha

[LurkerNoMore]

Some of the worst teeth I’ve ever seen

Bald, rotting teeth, ugly, him dying is the best outcome

Nowhere near as bad as Erik Frankenwhatever.  Who claimed that he refused to get any dental work because "I am not changing the way God made me".  Despite changing everything from the nose down.

[LurkerNoMore]

The simple problem with what you're saying is that you have zero substantive basis for what you're saying. You are simply supposing things, wrongly.

These are facts:

- Real steroids are made in countries like China.

- They are dirt cheap to produce.

- Quality has been assessed by customs and government labs in the west, such as the US and Europe.

- Quality testing is accessible to even the the end consumer.

- Quality is constantly checked by dealers and distributors as well as some end consumers. This is demanded by the market currently.

- Drug testing orgs like WADA are constantly exerting political pressure on countries manufacturing PEDs because all athletes use these same labs to produce their PEDs and you can also simply order *custom synthesis* of any PED that's never even been on the market if you simply have the chemical formula. All these "SARMs" have never been sold anywhere as drugs but they are popping up on drug tests by WADA et al.

- In many cases underground PEDs are actually overdosed, simply because the raw material costs nothing (the cost for an underground lab is in procuring the drug and getting it through customs) and because every lab wants to have the most "potent" products. Some growth hormone products, which is notoriously expensive and hard to produce, have been shown to sometimes contain, for example, 15 units per vial instead of the advertised 10 units.

Now, where you have a point is in that you lack several quality control steps where "mistakes" with compounds can occur and where some shady outfits may move some expensive compound they switched to a cheaper one. None of this means there is no access to real, pure chemical raw materials, how hard is this for you to comprehend? If I order a steroid powder by myself from China, and then send it to an independent lab for quality control testing, why is that compound fake anyways? It makes no sense.

And further, as you know, testosterone level testing is extremely common these days and accurate. Will you accept that? If then innumerable consumers have tested their levels on underground as well as US pharmacy prescribed test and it comes back as saying the UG is exactly just as potent, how is the test fake then? And would you believe, many consumers have had relatively bad labs on many pharmacy brands of testosterone... showing that even they aren't always perfect. In fact, many drugs allow 10% variation in drug content, so for example a legit test could theoretically be 180mg instead of 200mg and still pass quality control. So of course a UG test that is overdosed like say 280mg instead of 250mg  ould seem more potent than a pharmacy brand.

You are simply out of your depth here. You can't prove any of your assertions. You saying guys "blew up" on 50mg of Anadrol back in the day is just romantic wishful thinking. If not, show us these blown up physiques lol. Go look at Pumping Iron, they all looked like what "naturals" do today. Then go to a current pro show and look at the fake drug physiques and compare to the 200mg of real Deca and 15mg of Ciba Dianabol physiques back in the day lol.

This is another novel length post but I'm just trying to get these points through your thick skull.

And I'm not defending drugs because drugs make me "look good." I look like shit, all this is beside the point.

EDIT: and why is it obvious the fella was on a lot of drugs? If you look at his posts on forums he got most all his drugs from underground sources. There is no TREN from any human use above ground laboratory just as an example. It's ALL from CHINA. He said he could buy growth hormone from a Portuguese pharmacy for 210 bucks a pen but as he said, why would he as he could get underground tested GH four times cheaper and thus could afford to take many times more.

Is this what you mean by REAL ANADROL? Is the 2nd pic FAKE ANADROL

Great post.

One thing I need to point out is that people claiming China has bad powders / products and that is why it is so cheap are a bit clueless.  China has excellent quality control on their shit.  Literally.  Because they know if they start dicking around and sending bad shit out, people are just going to start paying a little more and ordering from India. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Great post.

One thing I need to point out is that people claiming China has bad powders / products and that is why it is so cheap are a bit clueless.  China has excellent quality control on their shit.  Literally.  Because they know if they start dicking around and sending bad shit out, people are just going to start paying a little more and ordering from India.

That's true. But for the sake of honesty, it's said the steroids are made by chemical companies instead of above ground pharma companies since steroid manufacturing is officially illegal. But they can still make quality raw drugs. The growth hormone is quality nowadays and it's my understanding it's also underground so to speak. The FBI actually worked out a deal with the Chinese like a decade ago to curb the brand name pharma Jintropin sales because they were flooding the market with high quality shit, even Hollywood celebs like Stallone were using it. So now my understanding is that it's simply sold out the back door in unlabeled vials. But since QC testing is now available, who cares.

And yeah China doesn't want to lose the market. Appears as though some percentage of raws now do come from India.

In recent years there have been quite a bit of painful test enanthate coming from China. Turns out, I assume it's true, when manufacturing enanthate the synthesis is quicker and cheaper if you skip or change a step but it leaves a tiny bit of some type of acid. It works well but for example my training parner had bought painful enanthate which he couldn't use so he returned the 20 vials to the dealer who switched it out to some other test product. The test is still "real" but there are some admitted kinks in the market due to the nature of it.

[Amerian Muscle]

Right...he was taking diuretics yr round for his swollen feet and ankles. From what I read his urine was putrid and he texted his guru..found out his kidneys were failing n kept blasting anway. He was doing up to 70-100us of insulin 3x's a day and 20 ius of GH

Its like they didnt get the memo

[Humble Narcissist]

One must assume that in honor of this noble matador of the mankini, all Sybian’s worldwide will only thrust at half mast for the rest of this week.  Fuque this imitation Mini-Munzer.

At least Munzer looked good.

[falco]

Sorry for your loss, Falco. On the bright side, you moved up one spot for the best-built man in Portugal rankings.

Lol. You are most kind.

[falco]

Nowhere near as bad as Erik Frankenwhatever.  Who claimed that he refused to get any dental work because "I am not changing the way God made me".  Despite changing everything from the nose down.

More like " I have to spend all my money on drugs and food, can't afford dental".

[Hulkotron]

Unfortunate as I heard his upcoming novel was expected to be groundbreaking.

[LurkerNoMore]

More like " I have to spend all my money on drugs and food, can't afford dental".

It was like when I read his statement, it was the biggest WTF I ever read in MD magazine.  (it was that long ago). 

[joswift]

[Rambone]

Beautiful drugged-up looking physiques on these athletes

[a_pupil]

 

Guys like him should realise early on that they don't have the genetics and move the obsession over to a healthy sport like football. Or if he's extra autistic and wants to feel like a warrior ( ), BJJ.

An amp of test a week for a footballer who lifts a few times a week will give a nice, lean physique.

[BB]

I wonder what he spent that $400 euro bucks on.....

[joswift]

I wonder what he spent that $400 euro bucks on.....

Board shorts?

[Van_Bilderass]

That top 3 pic seems to be from 2019. But you can see some worrying signs there already. Most of the time water isn't a problem if you are healthy but look at the water level of his upper vs lower body. Look at the barrel torso, which he is hiding there, but you can still tell something. Swollen abdomen and water problems, very bad signs.

[a_pupil]

Cycle :

Test E 500mg week

Tren 700mg week

Primo 700mg week

Masteron Prop 700mg week

Winstrol oral 50mg day

Anavar 50mg day

Exemestano 25mcg ED

T3 25mcg day

T4 100mcg day

Clen 40mcg day

HGH Meditrope Black Tops 1 vial day ( half fasted , half post workout )"

I expected more to be honest. That's like Hankins' trt dosages.

Edit: This is more like it lmao:

Last Cycle he sent me was 2100 test enth.. 1400 tren.. 700 mast.. 50mgs a day winny. . 50mgs a day anadrol.. 20ius a day gh. 60 slin before meals.. 1 arimidex and 1 letrozole tab a day.. this is not counting the numerous peptides