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Getbig Female Info Boards => Womens Physique, Bodybuilding, Wellness and Training => Topic started by: az on September 15, 2006, 12:25:18 AM
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Since there are so many men that post here on the female board, I figured I'd ask you guys this question. I've been reading the posts on getbig long enough to be able to chuckle at some of the responses so I am prepared for the peanut gallery.
Many males that "disapprove" of strong looking women (natural or not) are the same one's who down load porn of muscular females. There is obviously a large market for it or there wouldn't be so many sites recieving so many hits. Men claim that they are disgusted by female muscle but in the closet they lust for it, in some cases worship it. What's the deal???
On the professional end, I am sure that female bodybuilders, like their male counter parts have to adjust and adapt to what the judges want to see. Plain and simple. On the ametuer level I think it's a matter of personal choice on what kind of package you want to bring to the stage(until you reach the National's anyway).
I compete as an ametuer heavyweight bodybuilder and I am working on gaining mass for next year. Do I use gear? No. Will I ever? Maybe. Maybe not. As a natural I can outlift a few of the men in my gym and go rep for rep pound for pound with a few. I get stared at depending on what I'm wearing by men and women and the only men who seem to have a problem with my muscularity are men who are out of shape. So if female muscle offends you guys then maybe you should look at why it offends you and stop criticizing those of us who are comfortable in our skin.
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I think a big reason why bigger girls elicit so many comments is guys feel insecure and need to make themselves feel better. You would never go up to a heavy person and shake your head in disgust and say "why (shakes head), it's just too much" but I've had that comment a few times and I am not that big.
I think there are mamny people who just aren't attracted to a female with muscle just as I am not attracted to males with none, I think those men tend to not say anything because they could care less how you look. It is the guys who insist on making stupid comments that feel insecure in themselves (and almost look up to you) that need to tear you down.
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I believe you have the right to look the way you want. As a personal matter of taste, i prefer the softer body type of woman (i.e fitness, swimsuit type) over the harder, bigger women. I admire the dedication adn everything ti took to get that way, but again its preference. It's not to say that i find them unattracive or that i wouldnt be with one some day.
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i guess i should answer. No they don't offend me.
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Depends on what stage of life you met them. I think if you met them and they were into the lifestyle and you thought they looked good to you and you developed a relationship then fine, but if you were dating a person and they then got all into it and they becames something physically you did not care for it could be hard. I am not saying its all shallow and about looks its about what you find attractive if that makes sense. So many time you hear people say they married a guy who was in shape but ten years later he is a fat slob lying around the couch with a big beer gut, you would still love the person for who they are but you might not find them "as" attractive as you once did and then it starts to kill the relationship espically if your fit. I think most people have a type (espically men) of girl they look for and when they find it they are happy. For some reason I am wired to like short girls (my wife is 5 foot even) and I am 6-3 She was looking thru a bunch of photos of past girlfriend and she stopped and said wow all your ex's look about the same and are short, I said well early on I learned what I like and so there you go.
That being said I like girls who look like they work out, have a strong back and shoulders and firm arms and nice legs but if my wife started to go to the extream as long as she stayed off the drugs i would be supportive and consider myself lucky every day she put up with me because she is a real find.
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So nice to finally see some mature responses. I posted the question to try and figure out what all the bashing of female bodybuilders was about on not just this board, but getbig in general.
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mostly i believe that men are intimidated by a stronger woman. I have seen some very large women BB's. There are times were some women lose feminitiy when they become too large
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Since there are so many men that post here on the female board, I figured I'd ask you guys this question. I've been reading the posts on getbig long enough to be able to chuckle at some of the responses so I am prepared for the peanut gallery.
Many males that "disapprove" of strong looking women (natural or not) are the same one's who down load porn of muscular females. There is obviously a large market for it or there wouldn't be so many sites recieving so many hits. Men claim that they are disgusted by female muscle but in the closet they lust for it, in some cases worship it. What's the deal???
On the professional end, I am sure that female bodybuilders, like their male counter parts have to adjust and adapt to what the judges want to see. Plain and simple. On the ametuer level I think it's a matter of personal choice on what kind of package you want to bring to the stage(until you reach the National's anyway).
I compete as an ametuer heavyweight bodybuilder and I am working on gaining mass for next year. Do I use gear? No. Will I ever? Maybe. Maybe not. As a natural I can outlift a few of the men in my gym and go rep for rep pound for pound with a few. I get stared at depending on what I'm wearing by men and women and the only men who seem to have a problem with my muscularity are men who are out of shape. So if female muscle offends you guys then maybe you should look at why it offends you and stop criticizing those of us who are comfortable in our skin.
Absolutely not. I commend all female bbdr's efforts in and out of the gym. Would I date one? No. Not because I do not like female bbdr's but more because its just not my flavour. It is sad when a female bbdr works her but off only to get ridiculed by people. But what needs to be taken more seriously is the look of female bbdr's taking high doses of Androgenic Steriods and HGH totally not suitable for women. The end result is a woman who is very, very muscular, but with extreme faical hair, deep voice, coarse skin and pretty much looks like she's three quarters on her way being a man. That is what the turn off is. Not the fact that they work hard at what they do. Personally I have no problem with it. Hope this helps AZ.
PB
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So nice to finally see some mature responses. I posted the question to try and figure out what all the bashing of female bodybuilders was about on not just this board, but getbig in general.
Your absolutely right about that on AZ. There is no need for bashing. That is totally uncalled for.
PB
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I like all kinds of women. The softer type as well as the more athletic or muscular type. I like women who are proud of themselves, and their bodies. It's good to see girls and women lift weights. I lift weights to, and do what's necessary to keep myself in shape. I'm not the really big heavyweight type, but people can see that I lift. I look younger than I actually am, because of my active life style.
No, I'm not offended by female muscles. Some women, like power-lifters or whatever, are even stronger than me, and believe me, I'm not weak.
Strong, muscular women are definitely sexy, but, they shouldn't ignore the feminine part of them. That's my opinion on the subject.
Funny thing is that there's a category of males who believe that men who appreciate female muscles are men who are actually gay, or submissive, or into "worshipping" and/or wrestling FBB's, or whatever comes in their confused little minds. (Not that there's anything wrong with men who like to do "sessions" with these ladies, who offer these kind of entertainment). If I speak for myself, I just appreciate an athletic female physique.
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I appreciate your question, and must say I too have wondered about all the bashing and hating that goes on at getbig. I can only guess it's the fact that most people can only seem larger by making others seem small.
Now, to answer your question...female muscles do not offend me, in the least. I have admired and found beauty in women ranging from the casual athletic type, up to some of the more heavily muscled ladies.
Currently, I am not seeing anyone in particular, but would love to meet a competitive female (figure, fitness, or bodybuilding) and see what would develop.
Hope this helps answer your question, and also proves that there's at least one more guy on here, secure in himself. Best wishes....
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I respect and enjoy FBB. I attend as many shows as I can to support my sport.
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Since there are so many men that post here on the female board, I figured I'd ask you guys this question. I've been reading the posts on getbig long enough to be able to chuckle at some of the responses so I am prepared for the peanut gallery.
Many males that "disapprove" of strong looking women (natural or not) are the same one's who down load porn of muscular females. There is obviously a large market for it or there wouldn't be so many sites recieving so many hits. Men claim that they are disgusted by female muscle but in the closet they lust for it, in some cases worship it. What's the deal???
On the professional end, I am sure that female bodybuilders, like their male counter parts have to adjust and adapt to what the judges want to see. Plain and simple. On the ametuer level I think it's a matter of personal choice on what kind of package you want to bring to the stage(until you reach the National's anyway).
I compete as an ametuer heavyweight bodybuilder and I am working on gaining mass for next year. Do I use gear? No. Will I ever? Maybe. Maybe not. As a natural I can outlift a few of the men in my gym and go rep for rep pound for pound with a few. I get stared at depending on what I'm wearing by men and women and the only men who seem to have a problem with my muscularity are men who are out of shape. So if female muscle offends you guys then maybe you should look at why it offends you and stop criticizing those of us who are comfortable in our skin.
put up a pic so we can see what you look like,if a woman looks like a man no we dont like it,we still want our woman somewhat feminine.would you like your man too look like a woman :-[but as far as muscle i have no problem or hang ups about that if its good for men its good for the ladies ;D
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az, I'm gonna try to be as clear as I can on this:
muscle on a FEMALE isn't a problem.
Persons who competes as women (I don't consider them female) who are on male hormone therapy, they are a big fcuking problem.
Male hormones... It just doesn't sound right to inject that into females, does it?
Unless, of course, these persons are really wanting to do a sex change, but in that case, instead of competing in Pro Fitness and Pro Bodybuilding, I think these characters should contact a specialist MD who could help them with every step of the way, making sure they get the operation as well.
No, the muscle mass in itself is never a problem.
YIP
Zack
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I am not turned off by female bodybuilders basically because there are great examples of very female bodybuilders who use and don't use substances for increased body growth. I am into hardbody ladies that are not manly female bodybuilders. I am curious as to what would have happened if pro bodybuilding women had not been able to compete in the Ms. Olympia contest when it was initially canceled in 1999.
I would watch a female bodybuilder compete before watching a guy in a bodybuilding contest because I don't want to look at another man and get any homo erotic impulses.
Female bodybuilders get bad publicity because they are part of a sub culture that is the opposite of the commercial culture that accepts runway models. I think that some lady bodybuilders are very female muscle models that are very unique.
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put up a pic so we can see what you look like,if a woman looks like a man no we dont like it,we still want our woman somewhat feminine.would you like your man too look like a woman :-[but as far as muscle i have no problem or hang ups about that if its good for men its good for the ladies ;D
show me yours and I'll show you mine ;)
I actually tried to post a pic a couple of times and have had problems.
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I don't think muscularity on a female turns guys off. Well maybe some mega wimp who weighs 130lbs might be intimidated.
I think the obvious side effects and that 'general manly appearance' that AAS use causes turns guys off though.
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My wife was an competitor and is still quite large by normal standards I suppose. When we are out you get weird looks sometime, almost always from other women. She is 150lbs and I am 280lbs so I am bigger than her and It's not a big deal. As long aswomen still look like women and have a womans voice etc. I think muscles are great. ;D
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No...no problem.
I have a hard enough time trying to 'match' another person's personality so with muscle or w/o.....makes no difference.
If they like me in return.....that also helps.
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I like female flex appeal because ladies should be able to build as much muscle as they want to. I don't believe it is manly for a lady to have broad shoulders, big arms, a wide back, and thick legs as long as her face looks female. I still remember what some of the very female bodybuilders looked like in the Ms. Olympia Lenda Murray-Kim Chizevsky years. I don't understand why the last Ms. Olympia in the 90's couldn't sell many tickets and then was initially canceled and rescheduled at the last minute. It would have been unfortunate and ridiculous if that contest had not been held that year.
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It's a definite turn on...at least to me. Any female who looks like they spend a fair amount of time taking care of their body is attractive to me...There are some who take it to extremes--but I would not say I get offended by them.
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Muscle is better than fat.. If a girl has over 10% fat I'm out-a-there..
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Muscle is better than fat.. If a girl has over 10% fat I'm out-a-there..
How can you tell? I'm wondering where I'd get with a female if I asked her take my calipers and measure her bodyfat?! LOL :P
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How can you tell? I'm wondering where I'd get with a female if I asked her take my calipers and measure her bodyfat?! LOL :P
I always hear, "is there something in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
No, it's just my calipers..
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Muscle is better than fat.. If a girl has over 10% fat I'm out-a-there..
Ouch. looks like I don't stand a chance right now :) I am happily in my off-season, no where near 10%, and LOVING it :P :P :P
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Ouch. looks like I don't stand a chance right now :) I am happily in my off-season, no where near 10%, and LOVING it :P :P :P
Hit me up come contest time.. We can have a nice 3 month affair.. ;)
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no
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Ouch. looks like I don't stand a chance right now :) I am happily in my off-season, no where near 10%, and LOVING it :P :P :P
Got any pics ;) I would love to see:)
PB
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10 percent is rather low for a female
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I prefer a fit, toned woman, as long as it's not overdone. I've found that women feel the same way about men. Most women don't dig "muscleguys."
Jennifer was talking about insecurities. One could posit that people, both male and female, who pump themselves up to extreme levels and have their entire indentities tied up in their physiques are the ones who are insecure.
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both male and female, who pump themselves up to extreme levels and have their entire indentities tied up in their physiques are the ones who are insecure.
This is just something out of shape people say..
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To have a female stay at or below 10% indefinitely is not a good thing to do, ARMZ though I appreciate your offer I would much prefer a guy who could handle my fat 16% ass ;) the rest of the year.
Pics, none that really capture my off-seasonness...both of these are from the Olympia (Gene took the first one and the second was taken Sat night with a friend) but I was keeping it under a little control at that point-since then I have had ice cream, cookies, donuts, cheesy beef sandwiches, cheese, everyday...I'm telling you I LOVE the off-season.
I was probably 132 in the pic and will get up to 140ish
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To have a female stay at or below 10% indefinitely is not a good thing to do, ARMZ though I appreciate your offer I would much prefer a guy who could handle my fat 16% ass ;) the rest of the year.
I'm ugly anyway.. You wouldn't want me..
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You look great, enjoy your food and the offseason. :)
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Thank you :) I will...actually I am eating MnM's as I type
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There arnt enough muscular females. And the few that are around keep hookin up with whacko's :-\
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To have a female stay at or below 10% indefinitely is not a good thing to do, ARMZ though I appreciate your offer I would much prefer a guy who could handle my fat 16% ass ;) the rest of the year.
Pics, none that really capture my off-seasonness...both of these are from the Olympia (Gene took the first one and the second was taken Sat night with a friend) but I was keeping it under a little control at that point-since then I have had ice cream, cookies, donuts, cheesy beef sandwiches, cheese, everyday...I'm telling you I LOVE the off-season.
I was probably 132 in the pic and will get up to 140ish
Good God you look incredibly beautiful :) Keep up the good work ;)
PB
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Thank you :) I will...actually I am eating MnM's as I type
Do me a favor though...change your name from "Beast" to "Beauty". :)
PB
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Do me a favor though...change your name from "Beast" to "Beauty". :)
PB
Thanks PB :-* Can't change my name though I've become very attached to it and people don't expect it....
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Thanks PB :-* Can't change my name though I've become very attached to it and people don't expect it....
Just one word for you....Incredible:)
PB
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There arnt enough muscular females. And the few that are around keep hookin up with whacko's :-\
Thats the sad truth. :(
PB
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There arnt enough muscular females. And the few that are around keep hookin up with whacko's :-\
Sad but true.
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hey Beast you look GREAT!!! I'm off season now also but still eating clean, trying to get my weight up. I'm probably around 170 now, maybe 11%bf. I haven't incorporated any cardio yet (still getting over the twice a day for an hour schedule) but I will probably start a little soon.
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This is kind of the wrong place to ask the question. What, about 90% of us love the look-give or take. Would hate to see the response to that ? in say GQ or maybe some hunting mag.
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No, in fact I prefer a muscular woman over a woman that is not. To me a muscular woman is more appealing and sexy. Also I would rather be with a woman that understands why I spend so much time at the gym to be one of the best in the sport that I love. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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To have a female stay at or below 10% indefinitely is not a good thing to do, ARMZ though I appreciate your offer I would much prefer a guy who could handle my fat 16% ass ;) the rest of the year.
Pics, none that really capture my off-seasonness...both of these are from the Olympia (Gene took the first one and the second was taken Sat night with a friend) but I was keeping it under a little control at that point-since then I have had ice cream, cookies, donuts, cheesy beef sandwiches, cheese, everyday...I'm telling you I LOVE the off-season.
I was probably 132 in the pic and will get up to 140ish
That's an offseason pic? holy smokes beast...i don't know about the rest of these dudes..but offseason looks as good as contest time...
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You haven't seen my stomach :( I have to keep it covered in my off-season plus I am still reatively lean here (130ish) and will get up and maybe over 140-when I get there in about another month and start hitting the creatine hard and pushing it I will post a few more pics. Thanks though ;)
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You haven't seen my stomach :( I have to keep it covered in my off-season plus I am still reatively lean here (130ish) and will get up and maybe over 140-when I get there in about another month and start hitting the creatine hard and pushing it I will post a few more pics. Thanks though ;)
"Beast", you have the body of a goddess:) Nothing wrong with your stomach. I could hardly wait to see more pics:) Keep it up. ;)
PB
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I have to keep my stomach covered as well. 285 lbs. at 18% :'(. I quit going thru drive thrus five weeks ago so I am looking a little better. I think ;D
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Doesn't offend me at all, I like it. Nor do I feel intimidated.
Since there are so many men that post here on the female board, I figured I'd ask you guys this question. I've been reading the posts on getbig long enough to be able to chuckle at some of the responses so I am prepared for the peanut gallery.
Many males that "disapprove" of strong looking women (natural or not) are the same one's who down load porn of muscular females. There is obviously a large market for it or there wouldn't be so many sites recieving so many hits. Men claim that they are disgusted by female muscle but in the closet they lust for it, in some cases worship it. What's the deal???
On the professional end, I am sure that female bodybuilders, like their male counter parts have to adjust and adapt to what the judges want to see. Plain and simple. On the ametuer level I think it's a matter of personal choice on what kind of package you want to bring to the stage(until you reach the National's anyway).
I compete as an ametuer heavyweight bodybuilder and I am working on gaining mass for next year. Do I use gear? No. Will I ever? Maybe. Maybe not. As a natural I can outlift a few of the men in my gym and go rep for rep pound for pound with a few. I get stared at depending on what I'm wearing by men and women and the only men who seem to have a problem with my muscularity are men who are out of shape. So if female muscle offends you guys then maybe you should look at why it offends you and stop criticizing those of us who are comfortable in our skin.
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No not at all, I find muscular woman some what sexy actually. I also appreciate the hard work ethic. I guess at 240lbs I'm not intimidated by many women.......but I'm only 5'7 so I'm not into tall women lool. So I guess i would get with a female bodybuilder before I got with a female basketball player. looool
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No not at all, I find muscular woman some what sexy actually. I also appreciate the hard work ethic. I guess at 240lbs I'm not intimidated by many women.......but I'm only 5'7 so I'm not into tall women lool. So I guess i would get with a female bodybuilder before I got with a female basketball player. looool
lol!!!!!!!
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Since there are so many men that post here on the female board, I figured I'd ask you guys this question. I've been reading the posts on getbig long enough to be able to chuckle at some of the responses so I am prepared for the peanut gallery.
Many males that "disapprove" of strong looking women (natural or not) are the same one's who down load porn of muscular females. There is obviously a large market for it or there wouldn't be so many sites recieving so many hits. Men claim that they are disgusted by female muscle but in the closet they lust for it, in some cases worship it. What's the deal???
On the professional end, I am sure that female bodybuilders, like their male counter parts have to adjust and adapt to what the judges want to see. Plain and simple. On the ametuer level I think it's a matter of personal choice on what kind of package you want to bring to the stage(until you reach the National's anyway).
I compete as an ametuer heavyweight bodybuilder and I am working on gaining mass for next year. Do I use gear? No. Will I ever? Maybe. Maybe not. As a natural I can outlift a few of the men in my gym and go rep for rep pound for pound with a few. I get stared at depending on what I'm wearing by men and women and the only men who seem to have a problem with my muscularity are men who are out of shape. So if female muscle offends you guys then maybe you should look at why it offends you and stop criticizing those of us who are comfortable in our skin.
If you are drug free and can lift as much as some men in your gym, the men that you can match are wussies.
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i personally find fitness girls and female bbers extremely attractive they just "do it" for me. i love the sense of dedication and the ability to commit to the lifestlye. i think it is all about personal tastes a woman has the right to change her body in any way shape or form and as long as she is happy more power to her. the guys that don't like it have no reason or right to bash a woman for trying to better themselves i think it is a lack of self image for the men or just a dislike and a want to belittle something they don't like. the hell with them if more people overall were concerned or worried about what they look like and actually did something to try and better themselves then america would not be so darn obese. So to all the haters you don't like it don't look and if you cannot say anything nice STFU. enough said
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If you are drug free and can lift as much as some men in your gym, the men that you can match are wussies.
An interesting assumption old timer. From seeing your pic you of all people should know that all you need to lift heavy is years of training, correct form/technique and mental focus/intensity. What makes you think women can't achieve that? I'll be in Miami for the Nationals, not competing just to watch and cheer. PM me if you will be going and we'll see if we can find a gym so I can demostrate...
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you go az the men are not pansies i would jsut assume that you can lift it's kinda funny my gym partner and myself are the same size he is just more cut than i am and he can lift a decent amount more than i can yet there are guys bigger than me who lift less? some guys or gals can just grow bigger on lighter wieghts than others and some guys or gals can lift heavy and be little, i don't think there is any right or wrong answer to the eeqaution of this guy/girl is stronger or bigger so they can lift more/less than the other
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An interesting assumption old timer. From seeing your pic you of all people should know that all you need to lift heavy is years of training, correct form/technique and mental focus/intensity. What makes you think women can't achieve that? I'll be in Miami for the Nationals, not competing just to watch and cheer. PM me if you will be going and we'll see if we can find a gym so I can demostrate...
Good answer.
PB
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muscles on a woman are like breasts on a man
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muscles on a woman are like breasts on a man
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many male body builders have had breast at one time or another, it's called gyno.
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and that doesn't look good
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and that doesn't look good
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then just don't look earl, if it really bothers you that much don't look.
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never said it bothered me, just don't find it attractive
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Female muscles don't offend me because I don't think there is anything wrong with a young woman who looks somewhat tall and strong looking in that very athletic kind of way. Hypermuscularity for a females body is OK as long as your face still looks feminine and not "trans"-formative to the masculine side.
The best years of female bodybuilding were the ones of the mid-late 90's with a such a great line up of physiques like Lenda Murray, Kim Chizevsky, Laura Creavalle, Denise Masino, Andrulla, Melissa Coates, et cetera. That is despite some females who's muscle metamorphosis made them appear to become obviously masculine.
I think the down fall of female bodybuilding started because of the invention of a new concept called fitness bodyshaping. Who could forget ladies like Saryn Muldrow :o Timea Majorova :o Michelle Bellini :o Theresa Hessler :o Lena Johannesen :o Stacy Simmons :o Monica Brant :o Lisa Lowe :o and the rest of those sex flex appeal bodyshaping women.
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Hello, this is actually my first reply!
In my country, in Greece, men loves women with very thin bodies, like top models. But also they like the "Mediterranian" type of woman with big tits and round big asses.
I like a lot the muscular women (drug free, testosterone free), i find them attractive, i think that such a woman can understand you when you are on diet or you have to train really hard, when you must go to the gym. She can understand that you are dedicated to bodybuilding and help you to complete your goals...
But WE DON'T HAVE THOSE WOMEN IN GREECE! Here all womens trying to be like top models, thin, with extreme low bodyfat... They don't want to go to the gym. They just are on diet all the time!
P.S. Sorry for my English :)
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I have alot of respect for Female Body Builders. Nothing intimidating about them.
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No, they don't offend me, and i am in no way intimidated by them. however, i do not find them attractive. some is good, mainly legs and glutes, but alot of muscle is just not my thing.
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Gee gollies gals, when the weight-trained/doped feminine muscle (a.k.a. sexy curves) begins to approach the levels of the 70's Mr. Olympias [e.g. the "look" of an Iris Kyle or (heaven forbid!) a Renee Toney, then the virilization line has definitely been crossed!!
I believe I am safe in saying that all dedicated weight-training men truly admire and appreciate BB women, as we have been in the gym, in the trenches, training beside them since the 80's.
Also, the limit of "sexy feminine muscularity" desired/admired by most men is to the level of the "look" of the top pro. IFBB competitors of the 80's; as exemplified by Rachel, Carla, Cory, Marjo, Gladys, and Anja (I would even include Sandy Riddell in this sexy feminine muscle group). This sexy, feminine, muscular look is DEFINITELY more appealing to us body-conscious BB guys than the "borderline anorexic" runway model look with their pipe-stem arms and bird legs (despite their very pretty faces). Men who refuse to recognize and accept this truth are simply insecure!
However, the competitive FBB look of the 90's, as exemplified by Lenda and Kim, was very borderline virilization and the "look" of Iris was/is definitely over! I think I speak for the majority of dedicated BB men regarding these strictly "physical appearance" comments.
Another factor is the masculine, deep, husky, voice that is developed by these AAS taking FBB competitors. This deep voice is definitely not a "husky sexy voice" but sounds more like Humphrey Bogart and is a real turnoff to a lot of BB men.
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well put richard.
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I love muscles on a women.....long as she doesn't support any other male traits that she may have acquired. :-\
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This offends EVERYONE
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would you say it to her face? and you said "offends everyone" if she offended everyone why does she have a following? somebody appreciates it...
can you post a pic of yourself? just curious...
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would you say it to her face? and you said "offends everyone" if she offended everyone why does she have a following? somebody appreciates it...
can you post a pic of yourself? just curious...
Good call!!!! No of course no-one ever says anything to anyones face!
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love muscles on women
also love the soft look also
as long they are all female
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i like girls with a bit of muscle ... ill fuck pretty much anything but femalle bb'ers are gross for the most part
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This offends EVERYONE
I would tell "her" she looks gross.
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I would tell "her" she looks gross.
out of curiosity, what would she say about how you looked???
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Interesting thread. Its funny how many guys react to female bbers the way they do.
Back in the early 70's I dated a swimmer, butterfly and free, 100-200m. Could barely get my arms around her back. At the time I was training OL and was very close to her in weight. She was great, cute, feminine, funny, sweet, charming and it ended too soon, left me for an older guy with car.
Remember my first meeting with Bev Francis, this is the "old" Bev Francis at the Aust Powerlifting nats 1980. I was head ref in her division, and got kicked out of the chair for most of her squats and benches as they were all WRs. Met her after the meet, seen her lift heard the stories, and there were many, and was surprised at how "feminine " she was to talk to.
Met many corp business women who are size 8 and spend hundreds (maybe thousands ) on their clothes and hair, and I would rate their feminity much lower than either of the two girls above.
Much more to femineity than a look.
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I have alot of respect for Female Body Builders. Nothing intimidating about them.
Me too!!! Even though I would probably at this stage not go as far. I totally respect the discipline and strength (not physically strength but mental strength and emotional strength). They as well as being physically strong have to be emotionally and mental strong as well. Mentally to get through the daily grind of bodybuilding and emotionally as people still think they can put them down because of their choices. I totally have the utmost respect for them. I appreciate what they have done to their bodies it is absolutely awesome and no mean feat that is forsure. I give my congratulations here and now to all you bodybuilding women!!
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Since there are so many men that post here on the female board, I figured I'd ask you guys this question. I've been reading the posts on getbig long enough to be able to chuckle at some of the responses so I am prepared for the peanut gallery.
Many males that "disapprove" of strong looking women (natural or not) are the same one's who down load porn of muscular females. There is obviously a large market for it or there wouldn't be so many sites recieving so many hits. Men claim that they are disgusted by female muscle but in the closet they lust for it, in some cases worship it. What's the deal???
On the professional end, I am sure that female bodybuilders, like their male counter parts have to adjust and adapt to what the judges want to see. Plain and simple. On the ametuer level I think it's a matter of personal choice on what kind of package you want to bring to the stage(until you reach the National's anyway).
I compete as an ametuer heavyweight bodybuilder and I am working on gaining mass for next year. Do I use gear? No. Will I ever? Maybe. Maybe not. As a natural I can outlift a few of the men in my gym and go rep for rep pound for pound with a few. I get stared at depending on what I'm wearing by men and women and the only men who seem to have a problem with my muscularity are men who are out of shape. So if female muscle offends you guys then maybe you should look at why it offends you and stop criticizing those of us who are comfortable in our skin.
Of course, the reason pro. IFBB FBB competition went "into the virilized shiiter" is because the contest judges, promoters, and the wonderful "laugh all the way to the bank" Weiders strongly pushed awarding the Ms. Olympia's top prizes to the FBBers who would come in progressively "bigger-and-tighter" every year! It's a no-brainer to realize that the ONLY way a woman's body can look this way is with aid of AAS/GH.
As the result, the FBB contest judges/promoters/Weiders helped KILL FBB as an appealing-to-the-general-public competitive event as the "she-he" first-place "look" evolved and developed (e.g. Ellen Van Maris to Kim Chevisky and, finally, Iris Kyle).
Place the blame of the demise of pro. female BB on the shoulders of those it FIRMLY belongs...the IFBB judges and promoters and the Weiders!! With the advent of fitness and figure competitions, FBB was "boxed-in" and had nowhere to go!
FBB with its virilized massive look will always be around though...as a backroom/bedroom cult appealing to a relatively small following of schmoes...as the much more appealing, FEMININE, LOOK of the fitness/figure competitors has/will capture the physical culture market (which sure beats the border-line anorexic pipe-stem arms and bird-legs "runway model look", IMO!!).
Oh by the way, will someone please help me out with Renee...is she (he?) a trans-sexual/hermaphrodite, transvestite, sex-change-op., or what??! Is she (he?) actually allowed to compete in pro. FBB competition?! Shades of the 70's and transgendered Dr. Renee Richards' efforts to dominate female tennis!!
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Of course, the reason pro. IFBB FBB competition went "into the virilized shiiter" is because the contest judges, promoters, and the wonderful "laugh all the way to the bank" Weiders strongly pushed awarding the Ms. Olympia's top prizes to the FBBers who would come in progressively "bigger-and-tighter" every year! It's a no-brainer to realize that the ONLY way a woman's body can look this way is with aid of AAS/GH.
As the result, the FBB contest judges/promoters/Weiders helped KILL FBB as an appealing-to-the-general-public competitive event as the "she-he" first-place "look" evolved and developed (e.g. Ellen Van Maris to Kim Chevisky and, finally, Iris Kyle).
Place the blame of the demise of pro. female BB on the shoulders of those it FIRMLY belongs...the IFBB judges and promoters and the Weiders!! With the advent of fitness and figure competitions, FBB was "boxed-in" and had nowhere to go!
FBB with its virilized massive look will always be around though...as a backroom/bedroom cult appealing to a relatively small following of schmoes...as the much more appealing, FEMININE, LOOK of the fitness/figure competitors has/will capture the physical culture market (which sure beats the border-line anorexic pipe-stem arms and bird-legs "runway model look", IMO!!).
Yes totally agree on all of these points. Then what about this, I dont know about others on this thread but if I am going to pay money to see FBB's compete then I want to see some muscle --- Does everyone agree with that? If you dont want to see it then dont go to the Ms. Olympia etc blah blah!
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Yes totally agree on all of these points. Then what about this, I dont know about others on this thread but if I am going to pay money to see FBB's compete then I want to see some muscle --- Does everyone agree with that? If you dont want to see it then dont go to the Ms. Olympia etc blah blah!
Yes, I will pay money to watch FBB because being a dyed-in-the-wool weight-trainer (BB, Oly lifting and PL) I've trained with recreational/competitve FBBers since the 80's, and thus greatly admire their work ethic/dedication, etc., which mirrors mine!
Also, despite some problems I may have with levels of heavy female muscularity and deep husky voices, what still makes a woman A WOMAN IMO is her INNER qualities...personality, intelligence, and character!
Surely, we will all agree that, like in the movie Pumping Iron II, regardless of Bev Francis' "masculine BB look" she was inside "all-woman"...as her subesquent life clearly bore out!!
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Yes, I will pay money to watch FBB because being a dyed-in-the-wool weight-trainer (BB, Oly lifting and PL) I've trained with recreational/competitve FBBers since the 80's, and thus greatly admire their work ethic/dedication, etc., which mirrors mine!
Also, despite some problems I may have with levels of heavy female muscularity and deep husky voices, what still makes a woman A WOMAN IMO is her INNER qualities...personality, intelligence, and character!
Surely, we will all agree that, like in the movie Pumping Iron II, regardless of Bev Francis' "masculine BB look" she was inside "all-woman"...as her subesquent life clearly bore out!!
Exactly! I train in a gym where there are a lot of full on ffb's and they are genuine and lovely females who really have the time of day for you. I have asked many (to me probably dumb questions) and I have gotten answers. But I have to say that we also have some figure/bikini girls in the gym and they wont even look in your direction let alone give you any help. I look at them sometimes and think you know we are all women no matter what we look like but they seem to think that they are the elite!!
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They don't offend me at all... So long that it's not grotesque a la Renee Toney. In fact, there's a girl in my gym I usually see training with "muscles" and she looks good. :-*
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They don't offend me at all... So long that it's not grotesque a la Renee Toney. In fact, there's a girl in my gym I usually see training with "muscles" and she looks good. :-*
But that is exactly what the thread is about! --- What is grotesque just because they are females with possibly more muscle that some men or that they are not that facial attractive! Cos I dont know about you guys but there are some butt ugly "male" BB's in my gym that I personally think look grotesque! Not having a go here but that is exactly what we are saying --- I guess live and let live!!
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out of curiosity, what would she say about how you looked???
Did I strike a nerve? God you must really hate me. Should I like a woman that has no ounce of feminimity left in her? Female BBers don't bother me but nothing about that person says female to me.
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Did I strike a nerve? God you must really hate me. Should I like a woman that has no ounce of feminimity left in her? Female BBers don't bother me but nothing about that person says female to me.
Ok cap86 just a point here --- no you should have to like a woman that has no ounce of femininity left in her cos then she would be a male and that would make you gay!
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Ok cap86 just a point here --- no you should have to like a woman that has no ounce of femininity left in her cos then she would be a male and that would make you gay!
The woman up in the above post has no ounce of femininity in appearance, which having muscles is related to. Women with muscles is fine with me. There can be too big in both sexes.
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The woman up in the above post has no ounce of femininity in appearance, which having muscles is related to. Women with muscles is fine with me. There can be too big in both sexes.
That is true! but I think FBB's get a rough time of it and personally I think they add to the bodybuilding community in a very big way ("big" ha ha). There has to be extremes in every aspect of human life (extreme left and extreme right). I think I am going on a bit about it but I have been an advocate for womens bb for a long time and I am not about to change my point of view ---BTW I am not saying you are trying to change my mind.
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Oh I agree. Some female BBers are good looking and they deserve their place in BBing.
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Did I strike a nerve? God you must really hate me. Should I like a woman that has no ounce of feminimity left in her? Female BBers don't bother me but nothing about that person says female to me.
Hate is such a strong word. I asked but got my answer in a response you posted in a diff thread...you are a swimmer which means I am probably bigger than you (I am natural) which is why you may feel "uncomfortable" with the female bodybuilder physique.
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Hate is such a strong word. I asked but got my answer in a response you posted in a diff thread...you are a swimmer which means I am probably bigger than you (I am natural) which is why you may feel "uncomfortable" with the female bodybuilder physique.
Ha Ha!!!
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Oh I agree. Some female BBers are good looking and they deserve their place in BBing.
FBB isn't a meat show. It's a contest judged below the neck for the most part.
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Hate is such a strong word. I asked but got my answer in a response you posted in a diff thread...you are a swimmer which means I am probably bigger than you (I am natural) which is why you may feel "uncomfortable" with the female bodybuilder physique.
Yea I'm sure you are bigger than me.
FBB isn't a meat show. It's a contest judged below the neck for the most part.
Wow. Even when I agree I get shit. Lol.
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Love it
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To have a female stay at or below 10% indefinitely is not a good thing to do, ARMZ though I appreciate your offer I would much prefer a guy who could handle my fat 16% ass ;) the rest of the year.
Pics, none that really capture my off-seasonness...both of these are from the Olympia (Gene took the first one and the second was taken Sat night with a friend) but I was keeping it under a little control at that point-since then I have had ice cream, cookies, donuts, cheesy beef sandwiches, cheese, everyday...I'm telling you I LOVE the off-season.
I was probably 132 in the pic and will get up to 140ish
For those that think I hate women with muscles, this looks very good to me.
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FBB isn't a meat show. It's a contest judged below the neck for the most part.
thanks for that I think that is what I was trying to get at. It is all about what that person has done with their body.
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thanks for that I think that is what I was trying to get at. It is all about what that person has done with their body.
Fair enough. I guess my point was that I would still like to see enough femininity to know it is a woman.
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muscles on a woman are like breasts on a man
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That is ridiculous (all humans have muscles) and you know what I have a couple of men in my gym that have Breasts!! Now that my friend is weird.
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I would take a muscular woman over a fat out of shape woman any day.
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I would take a muscular woman over a fat out of shape woman any day.
Of course and anyone would. But here is another thought I bet men that dont like muscle on a women:
1) would never go up to her and tell her to her face --- I think az touched on that
2) never tell a fat women that they think she is fat
I think in actual fact there would be a discrimination law against the number 2) point.
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Of course and anyone would. But here is another thought I bet men that dont like muscle on a women:
1) would never go up to her and tell her to her face --- I think az touched on that
2) never tell a fat women that they think she is fat
I think in actual fact there would be a discrimination law against the number 2) point.
If someone asked for my opinion or overheard me talking, I would stand by my statement. I think fat women need to be bombarded with messages that being big is not healthy. Screw the astethic part about it, they need to lose weight to be healthier. As for muscle women, I have made comments about two girls I know that were built like male BBer. Damn, I know women who are down right cruel about that stuff.
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If someone asked for my opinion or overheard me talking, I would stand by my statement. I think fat women need to be bombarded with messages that being big is not healthy. Screw the astethic part about it, they need to lose weight to be healthier. As for muscle women, I have made comments about two girls I know that were built like male BBer. Damn, I know women who are down right cruel about that stuff.
Yeah women are others womens worst enemies in some instances! It is pathetic! Yeah I suppose you would have to stand by it if you were overheard, but would you go up to a FBB or a fatgirl and tell them what you thought? Just a question, I am not attacking!
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Yeah women are others womens worst enemies in some instances! It is pathetic! Yeah I suppose you would have to stand by it if you were overheard, but would you go up to a FBB or a fatgirl and tell them what you thought? Just a question, I am not attacking!
To be honest (and this will contradict a past post that was made out of anger to az...I am man enough to admit it) I really don't think I am cruel enough to walk up to anyone and berate them, the only exception being some of the douchebags who lift at my gym. I speak my mind but I wouldn't just walk up to some girl and say "hey sweetie, you really ought to lighten up on the Dbol" or "you really should put down the Double Double".
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To be honest (and this will contradict a past post that was made out of anger to az...I am man enough to admit it) I really don't think I am cruel enough to walk up to anyone and berate them, the only exception being some of the douchebags who lift at my gym. I speak my mind but I wouldn't just walk up to some girl and say "hey sweetie, you really ought to lighten up on the Dbol" or "you really should put down the Double Double".
Oh I dont doubt that, and I guess that is what I was meaning that I dont think most men or women for that matter would go up and say something like that. Although having said that I am sure there are a lot of people that think it. Sometimes it is purely out of jealousy as well (perhaps not for the fat girls) but the muscle development that some ladies have is so out of the realms for most women or men. You know what it also has a lot to do with genetics. Some people have the ability to gain muscle quite easily without a hell of a lot of chemical assistance. Then I actually know people that take a shit load of stuff and they look like they hardly lift a weight. So I dont think it has anything to do with chemical assistance. It has a lot to do with discipline and genetics.
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Oh I dont doubt that, and I guess that is what I was meaning that I dont think most men or women for that matter would go up and say something like that. Although having said that I am sure there are a lot of people that think it. Sometimes it is purely out of jealousy as well (perhaps not for the fat girls) but the muscle development that some ladies have is so out of the realms for most women or men. You know what it also has a lot to do with genetics. Some people have the ability to gain muscle quite easily without a hell of a lot of chemical assistance. Then I actually know people that take a shit load of stuff and they look like they hardly lift a weight. So I dont think it has anything to do with chemical assistance. It has a lot to do with discipline and genetics.
Could be all of those things. I agree though that there are alot of guys that take juice and just look bloated with acne.
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Could be all of those things. I agree though that there are alot of guys that take juice and just look bloated with acne.
Yeah we have so many of them in our gym. I live in Australia and we seem to have a problem with a certain nationality that take steroids just to look big. They only look bloated and fat really. They look quite big in clothes but have no quality. Makes me laugh but I guess they are happy!
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Good call!!!! No of course no-one ever says anything to anyones face!
Gosh I wish this were true! You all know what I look like and I get negative comments so I can't imagine what many of the larger bbers get. At the gym I have been working out at for the past 4 years a guy in his mid-40's is lifting near me. Now about 3 months earlier he had made a comment to me as my friend (a trainer at the gym) and I were doing deadlifts. He looked at me and said "it is just too kuch" and then to her, "you don't want to look like her do you?"
I was stunned to silence...doesn't happen too often. Well now in my off-season about 2 months go I am lifting near him doing pull-ups. He looks at me and says oh, you must be off-season. I laugh (trying to be friendly even though I hate the f-er) and say yeah can you tell from my rolls...haha. Then he says "I just don't understand why you do this to yourself. Your face is so pretty but all of this, he motions to my body, is just too much." Well I had it with him, it took all I had not to punch him, but I said, "are you serious-for one I am not that big but would you go up to an obese person and look at their face and say, you have such a pretty face, but all of this and point at their body???" He replies, "no that is different" I said "yeah, it is different because I work my ass off in the gym to look like this, I want to look like this and I DIDN'T ask for your opinion on MY body." He says "you misunderstand" like he was trying to give me a compliment on my face and that I could be sooo beautiful if only I didn't have this repulsive body ::) errrrr, he pissed me off. Not sure why I got so worked up because for the most part I don't care what people say about me, I think it was the fact he had the nerve to say it to me twice, in the middle of my workout and thought it was completely normal.
Anyway...it is stupid comments like that that really make me push harder in the gym. Just for the record though please don't make these comments to us, no matter how much our body repulses you...keep it to yourself.
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Gosh I wish this were true! You all know what I look like and I get negative comments so I can't imagine what many of the larger bbers get. At the gym I have been working out at for the past 4 years a guy in his mid-40's is lifting near me. Now about 3 months earlier he had made a comment to me as my friend (a trainer at the gym) and I were doing deadlifts. He looked at me and said "it is just too kuch" and then to her, "you don't want to look like her do you?"
I was stunned to silence...doesn't happen too often. Well now in my off-season about 2 months go I am lifting near him doing pull-ups. He looks at me and says oh, you must be off-season. I laugh (trying to be friendly even though I hate the f-er) and say yeah can you tell from my rolls...haha. Then he says "I just don't understand why you do this to yourself. Your face is so pretty but all of this, he motions to my body, is just too much." Well I had it with him, it took all I had not to punch him, but I said, "are you serious-for one I am not that big but would you go up to an obese person and look at their face and say, you have such a pretty face, but all of this and point at their body???" He replies, "no that is different" I said "yeah, it is different because I work my ass off in the gym to look like this, I want to look like this and I DIDN'T ask for your opinion on MY body." He says "you misunderstand" like he was trying to give me a compliment on my face and that I could be sooo beautiful if only I didn't have this repulsive body ::) errrrr, he pissed me off. Not sure why I got so worked up because for the most part I don't care what people say about me, I think it was the fact he had the nerve to say it to me twice, in the middle of my workout and thought it was completely normal.
Anyway...it is stupid comments like that that really make me push harder in the gym. Just for the record though please don't make these comments to us, no matter how much our body repulses you...keep it to yourself.
And you have a great body to show for it "Beast". You look phenomenal.
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Gosh I wish this were true! You all know what I look like and I get negative comments so I can't imagine what many of the larger bbers get. At the gym I have been working out at for the past 4 years a guy in his mid-40's is lifting near me. Now about 3 months earlier he had made a comment to me as my friend (a trainer at the gym) and I were doing deadlifts. He looked at me and said "it is just too kuch" and then to her, "you don't want to look like her do you?"
I was stunned to silence...doesn't happen too often. Well now in my off-season about 2 months go I am lifting near him doing pull-ups. He looks at me and says oh, you must be off-season. I laugh (trying to be friendly even though I hate the f-er) and say yeah can you tell from my rolls...haha. Then he says "I just don't understand why you do this to yourself. Your face is so pretty but all of this, he motions to my body, is just too much." Well I had it with him, it took all I had not to punch him, but I said, "are you serious-for one I am not that big but would you go up to an obese person and look at their face and say, you have such a pretty face, but all of this and point at their body???" He replies, "no that is different" I said "yeah, it is different because I work my ass off in the gym to look like this, I want to look like this and I DIDN'T ask for your opinion on MY body." He says "you misunderstand" like he was trying to give me a compliment on my face and that I could be sooo beautiful if only I didn't have this repulsive body ::) errrrr, he pissed me off. Not sure why I got so worked up because for the most part I don't care what people say about me, I think it was the fact he had the nerve to say it to me twice, in the middle of my workout and thought it was completely normal.
Anyway...it is stupid comments like that that really make me push harder in the gym. Just for the record though please don't make these comments to us, no matter how much our body repulses you...keep it to yourself.
Good on you for saying that to him --- what an absolute arse!! and how rude!! I hope he slinked off with his tail between his legs.
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I live in Australia and we seem to have a problem with a certain nationality that take steroids just to look big.
Hmmmmm they would'nt be a certain element that biffs "life savers" by any chance ??
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go up to a fatgirl and tell them what you thought?
You mean like ... "when's it due."
Never ever, ever ask that unless you have proof form an obstetrician she is really pregnant.
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Damn it, I get so TIRED of the IGNORANT MORONS who post on Getbig forums, make negative comments about FBB, and yet don’t know “shiit from shinola” about the subject??!
Bodybuilding?? Do you mean a recreational female weight-trainer…who is a “bodybuilder”…since she is using progressive resistance exercise (hopefully, progressive and not just "flailing around" with little 5-10 lb. DB’s), or a woman who competes in the “sport” (I think the word “art form” is a better descriptor…not meaning to say that many FBBers aren’t excellent athletes, as well!)??!
I have been training and advising women in the martial-arts since the early 70’s and have always encouraged them to supplement their MA training with the fundamental progressive resistance weightlifting exercises (e.g. squats, deadlifts, good mornings, rows, overhead and flat/incline bench presses) for the purpose of building basic body strength. Many of these women became much stronger than (could outlift) the average man and looked VERY feminine. I don’t know if any of them took BB drugs.
The ignorance lies in the failure of these FBB bashing morons/novices to understand the difference between the competitive FBBers abnormal greatly reduced bwt., dehydrated, facially-drawn, “pre-contest” look and how VERY different these FBBers look in their much more normal “off-season” look under normal lighting, relaxed, "dressed-to-kill", etc….stunning to say the least!!!
Of course, you are always going to have a SMALL handful of FBBers who are too “masculine/virilized looking” to suit practically anyone’s taste! But, to try and stereotype all FBBers as looking like this (or striving to look like this) miniscule selection is either ignorance in the extreme, or just having “a hate FBB” agenda.
Here are two examples of "novice/general-public ignorance" from rearing my 5 children…
(1) In the late 80’s, my three sons and their friends were going through my MD’s and came across a Ms. Olympia contest pic. of Cory. “Oh how ugly, how horrible!”, they all exclaimed. I then pulled out a copy of another muscle mag. that had a very sexy, relaxed, off-season, pose of Cory and showed it to them. “Wow, who is that”?, they eagerly commented. When I told them that it was the SAME woman, they were totally bewildered and refused to believe me!
(2) In the early 90’s, I took my two teenage daughters and a couple of their school friends to a regional FBB contest. During the contest, these girls made ugly comments about the “excessive masculine muscularity” of the FBB competitors. However, when I took them to an “after party” with these same competitors present, relaxed and “dressed-to-kill”, all negative comments abruptly ceased, and all the girls were “bug-eyed” at the beautiful hour-glass figures of these FBB competitors! There was total silence in the car on the way home and BOTH of my daughter's friends took up recreational BB shortly thereafter!
Finally, I used to train with a female national Olympic weightlifting champion in the early 90’s. For a while, she even held the national record in the clean and jerk. I definitely thought she had done overdone the juice to the point of virilization…besides her somewhat “masculine look” she had a deep husky masculine-sounding voice!
Then, I didn’t see her for some eight years and happened to drop in to train at the same gym where we used to train, just when she was working out. I didn’t recognize her and when she came up to say "hello" I was shocked at her change in appearance!! Of course, she had long since retired from competitive weightlifting and had become a recreational BBer.
Her masculine traits were ALL GONE (!) and her voice sounded high-pitched and very feminine. I couldn’t believe it was her (she now looked quite feminine and sexy!) until she started doing rep. back squats with over 300 lbs.!! Apparently, whatever effects the juice had on her had reversed itself after she got off it for several years! Go figure??!
Clearly, confident, self-assured, competitive, even sexually aggressive, FBB women are a threat to many insecure, ignorant men (rather “boys”)!!
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Hmmmmm they would'nt be a certain element that biffs "life savers" by any chance ??
Not going to say on the grounds I may incriminate myself ha ha!! and get bashed up!!
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What is grotesque
What is grotesque? Look at Renee Toney. Now THAT is a bit much... Actually that's TOO much! Yet, a body like Jennifer McVicar is yummy! :-*
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What is grotesque? Look at Renee Toney. Now THAT is a bit much... Actually that's TOO much! Yet, a body like Jennifer McVicar is yummy! :-*
You can attribute that to the high androgen intake by some female bbdr's. That is far and few. A lot of them look great. Cory Everson was and always will be my favorite female bbdr. Lenda Murray, Laura Creaville and Valentina Chepiga were great too.
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That is ridiculous (all humans have muscles) and you know what I have a couple of men in my gym that have Breasts!! Now that my friend is weird.
not noticeable muscles
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Nothing wrong with female muscle. :P
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You can attribute that to the high androgen intake by some female bbdr's. That is far and few. A lot of them look great. Cory Everson was and always will be my favorite female bbdr. Lenda Murray, Laura Creaville and Valentina Chepiga were great too.
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I think most of you are missing the point of this whole argument in a way! (not trying to bash) but whether it is high androgen intake or not the point still is that they have made amazing changes to the physical appearance (forget being male or female) and you have to congratulate that!! They (FBB's) are happy with how they look, so thats cool with me and really should be cool with everyone (I mean just dont get involved with them or look). But really it would be hard to find one competitive BB's (male or female) that wouldnt be able to take their eyes off a very well developed (overly or what) FBB. I know the argument was "Men, do female muscles offend you" but really why would it offend you? It is not like they are running around the gym trying to turn everyone into them or trying to pick everyone up (there may be some) but there are those type of people in all walks of life. I say just let them be!! I still think it is great!
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I think most of you are missing the point of this whole argument in a way! (not trying to bash) but whether it is high androgen intake or not the point still is that they have made amazing changes to the physical appearance (forget being male or female) and you have to congratulate that!! They (FBB's) are happy with how they look, so thats cool with me and really should be cool with everyone (I mean just dont get involved with them or look). But really it would be hard to find one competitive BB's (male or female) that wouldnt be able to take their eyes off a very well developed (overly or what) FBB. I know the argument was "Men, do female muscles offend you" but really why would it offend you? It is not like they are running around the gym trying to turn everyone into them or trying to pick everyone up (there may be some) but there are those type of people in all walks of life. I say just let them be!! I still think it is great!
“Forbidden”, maybe the reason some of us guys may be "missing the point of the whole argument" is because possibly the subject header could have been worded better?
Rather, wouldn’t a more appropriate subject header have been: “Men, at what point does feminine muscle mass/vascularity turn you off?! In other words, when does the muscularity level on a woman make her look masculine/virilized?!
When we are using the term “FBBers”, I assume we are speaking of only the hardcore competing amateur and pro. FBBers, and not the millions of recreational FBBers worldwide (who are really, by definition, also FBBers)?!
Why, women have been making amazing transformations in their bodies appearance-wise, strength-wise, and health-wise (fully documented!) through weight-training (w-t)/BB since at least the mid-19th century (reference the research and writings of the great Jan Todd, Ph.D.). For example, what about the amazing Katrina Sandwina (at the turn of the 19th-20th century), who out-lifted the great male BBer/strongman Eugene Sandow; and at a bwt.of approximately 210 lbs. had a perfect hour-glass figure?!!.
Only men who are dedicated weight-trainers themselves (BBers, Olympic weightlifters, Powerlifters, WSM competitors) are going to TRULY understand, admire, and appreciate, the enormous dedication, hard work, self-sacrifice, and tremendous self-discipline, involved in being a competitive FBBer! I mean, after all, we have been training in the gyms and have “been in the trenches” with them for decades!
If the word “offend” would at all apply to men’s opinion of hardcore competing FBBers, it would logically only apply to the ignorant, non-exercising general public (or occasional, sporadic, weight-trainer) who stereotype ALL competitive BBers as drug-bloated pharmaceutical freaks (and the women FBBers as “women trying to look like men”). However, I wonder how many non-weight-training recreational/competitve athletes (e.g. runners, gymnasts, swimmers, martial-artists, etc.) share this distorted viewpoint?!
Most of us w-t guys prefer the “golden era of pro. FBB look” of a Rachel, Cory, Anja, and a Gladys as “our ideals”. Just like we would be "turned-off" by a bird-legged, pipe-stem armed, borderline anorexic, runway model, we are also turned-off by the very apparent opposite heavily virilized Iris Kyle or Renee Toney “FBB look”.
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“Forbidden”, maybe the reason some of us guys may be "missing the point of the whole argument" is because possibly the subject header could have been worded better?
Rather, wouldn’t a more appropriate subject header have been: “Men, at what point does feminine muscle mass/vascularity turn you off?! In other words, when does the muscularity level on a woman make her look masculine/virilized?!
When we are using the term “FBBers”, I assume we are speaking of only the hardcore competing amateur and pro. FBBers, and not the millions of recreational FBBers worldwide (who are really, by definition, also FBBers)?!
Why, women have been making amazing transformations in their bodies appearance-wise, strength-wise, and health-wise (fully documented!) through weight-training (w-t)/BB since at least the mid-19th century (reference the research and writings of the great Jan Todd, Ph.D.). For example, what about the amazing Katrina Sandwina (of the turn of the 19th-20th century), who out-lifted the great male BBer/strongman Eugene Sandow; and at a bwt.of approximately 210 lbs. had a perfect hour-glass figure?!!.
Only men who are dedicated weight-trainers themselves (BBers, Olympic weightlifters, Powerlifters, WSM competitors) are going to TRULY understand, admire, and appreciate, the enormous dedication, hard work, self-sacrifice, and tremendous self-discipline, involved in being a competitive FBBer! I mean, after all, we have been training in the gyms and have “been in the trenches” with them for decades!
If the word “offend” would at all apply to men’s opinion of hardcore competing FBBers, it would logically only apply to the ignorant, non-exercising general public (or occasional, sporadic, weight-trainer) who stereotype ALL competitive BBers as drug-bloated pharmaceutical freaks (and the women FBBers as “women trying to look like men”). However, I wonder how many non-weight-training recreational/competitve athletes (e.g. runners, gymnasts, swimmers, martial-artists, etc.) share this distorted viewpoint?!
Most of us w-t guys prefer the “golden era of pro. FBB look” of a Rachel, Cory, Anja, and a Gladys as “our ideals”. Just like we would be "turned-off" by a bird-legged, pipe-stem armed, borderline anorexic, runway model, we are also turned-off by the very apparent opposite heavily virilized Iris Kyle or Renee Toney “FBB look”.
Very well put and an excellent post. :)
PB
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“Forbidden”, maybe the reason some of us guys may be "missing the point of the whole argument" is because possibly the subject header could have been worded better?
Rather, wouldn’t a more appropriate subject header have been: “Men, at what point does feminine muscle mass/vascularity turn you off?! In other words, when does the muscularity level on a woman make her look masculine/virilized?!
When we are using the term “FBBers”, I assume we are speaking of only the hardcore competing amateur and pro. FBBers, and not the millions of recreational FBBers worldwide (who are really, by definition, also FBBers)?!
Why, women have been making amazing transformations in their bodies appearance-wise, strength-wise, and health-wise (fully documented!) through weight-training (w-t)/BB since at least the mid-19th century (reference the research and writings of the great Jan Todd, Ph.D.). For example, what about the amazing Katrina Sandwina (of the turn of the 19th-20th century), who out-lifted the great male BBer/strongman Eugene Sandow; and at a bwt.of approximately 210 lbs. had a perfect hour-glass figure?!!.
Only men who are dedicated weight-trainers themselves (BBers, Olympic weightlifters, Powerlifters, WSM competitors) are going to TRULY understand, admire, and appreciate, the enormous dedication, hard work, self-sacrifice, and tremendous self-discipline, involved in being a competitive FBBer! I mean, after all, we have been training in the gyms and have “been in the trenches” with them for decades!
If the word “offend” would at all apply to men’s opinion of hardcore competing FBBers, it would logically only apply to the ignorant, non-exercising general public (or occasional, sporadic, weight-trainer) who stereotype ALL competitive BBers as drug-bloated pharmaceutical freaks (and the women FBBers as “women trying to look like men”). However, I wonder how many non-weight-training recreational/competitve athletes (e.g. runners, gymnasts, swimmers, martial-artists, etc.) share this distorted viewpoint?!
Most of us w-t guys prefer the “golden era of pro. FBB look” of a Rachel, Cory, Anja, and a Gladys as “our ideals”. Just like we would be "turned-off" by a bird-legged, pipe-stem armed, borderline anorexic, runway model, we are also turned-off by the very apparent opposite heavily virilized Iris Kyle or Renee Toney “FBB look”.
Yeah you are right richardo4 I was thinking that myself last night
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I worded it that way because of all the negative comments that I encountered when discusing fbb. the forum is after all called female bodybuilding/hardcore training. My frame of ref is as a hardcore fbb. I COULD CARE LESS if guys are attracted, that is not why I compete.
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I worded it that way because of all the negative comments that I encountered when discusing fbb. the forum is after all called female bodybuilding/hardcore training. My frame of ref is as a hardcore fbb. I COULD CARE LESS if guys are attracted, that is not why I compete.
az, I was also trying to get that across as well, but you have just said part of what I was trying to say. That yes I am sure most people dedicated to their training and competiting are more interested with the job at hand rather than care about who is checking them out.
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Forbidden I am convinced that the guys that talk the most junk are the ones who fantasize about being hog tied by some muscular chick. I think they call em "schmoes".
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Forbidden I am convinced that the guys that talk the most junk are the ones who fantasize about being hog tied by some muscular chick. I think they call em "schmoes".
Gee gollies Az, I'm a little confused...you see, guys like Tre and myself are merely fans of FBB, and because of this we are called "schmoes" (also "shmoes", but I assume that is a misspelling of the word) by the ignorant "moron majority" on Getbig.
But in contrast, is this what you meant by your use of the term "schmoe"?...
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Forbidden I am convinced that the guys that talk the most junk are the ones who fantasize about being hog tied by some muscular chick. I think they call em "schmoes".
These guys are very insecure, no doubt. FBB bashing while hiding behind you IP address...
A sneer is the weapon of the weak, and this type of weak "males" just beg to be trampled verbally. Personally I like a variety of women, each with their own qualities. The athletic, more muscular women are also included. And, I don't have any problem to express my opinion on that matter, in any forum as well as in real life.
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Susan Kaminga is a perfect example of muscular femininity, but the type of rendezvous I have in mind with her is a different one then what is showed in that session type video.
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Susan Kaminga is a perfect example of muscular femininity, but the type of rendezvous I have in mind with her is a different one then what is showed in that session type video.
Uhhh...freespirit, I'm sure that for the right price "that different kind of rendevous" with Suzan can be arranged... ;D
(http://www.wpw.net/wpwclubs/0-intros/skaminga278/club01/images/sk1.0.002b.jpg)
(http://www.wpw.net/wpwclubs/0-intros/skaminga278/club02/images/sk2.0.003b.jpg)
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it's not the muscular body that bothers me as much as it is the manly face. a toned muscular woman is very attractive, an overly muscular drug laden "woman" who's face is distorted from manly hormones is not. :-X :-*
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you know what's interesting? The crowd was rather large for the womens prejudging and night show at the nationals and the tickets were not cheap. There was no booing, jeering or negative remarks spewed out from the crowd. There were far more men there than there are on this board, and not all were "schmoes". I'm sure it's that way at the Arnold and the O, I plan on going to the rnold so I'll let you know.
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To have a female stay at or below 10% indefinitely is not a good thing to do, ARMZ though I appreciate your offer I would much prefer a guy who could handle my fat 16% ass ;) the rest of the year.
Pics, none that really capture my off-seasonness...both of these are from the Olympia (Gene took the first one and the second was taken Sat night with a friend) but I was keeping it under a little control at that point-since then I have had ice cream, cookies, donuts, cheesy beef sandwiches, cheese, everyday...I'm telling you I LOVE the off-season.
I was probably 132 in the pic and will get up to 140ish
Weeeeeeeeeeeeell...by looking at your picture, yes, you are attractive. We're talking about sexual attractiveness, here ??? In general, men are not attracted to muscular women because having big muscles is unwomanly: it shows relative lack of female hormones and an excess of androgens. It is a purely physical thing, disconnected from emotions. I have met female bodybuilders who were extremely sweet, the kind of woman that a man usually falls in love with. Conversely, I've met outrageously attractive fitness competitors who treated their male fans like shit - not going to name names. Now, I would much rather have sex with the fitness babe, but I wouldn't want any relationship with her. So, when you say what's attractive, it depends. For purely sexual intercourse - sorry if this strikes as rude, but there are no more technical ways of saying sex -, female bodybuilders are not attractive to most men, but they would make much better friends than a super model who is a wench.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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... I've met outrageously attractive fitness competitors who treated their male fans like shit - not going to name names.
Maybe these "fans" are the type of guys who are used to get abused. The omega type, on the bottom of the food chain.
For me I would gladly ignore these self proclaimed "goddesses." Self reflection is what they need.
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeell...by looking at your picture, yes, you are attractive. We're talking about sexual attractiveness, here ??? In general, men are not attracted to muscular women because having big muscles is unwomanly: it shows relative lack of female hormones and an excess of androgens. It is a purely physical thing, disconnected from emotions. I have met female bodybuilders who were extremely sweet, the kind of woman that a man usually falls in love with. Conversely, I've met outrageously attractive fitness competitors who treated their male fans like shit - not going to name names. Now, I would much rather have sex with the fitness babe, but I wouldn't want any relationship with her. So, when you say what's attractive, it depends. For purely sexual intercourse - sorry if this strikes as rude, but there are no more technical ways of saying sex -, female bodybuilders are not attractive to most men, but they would make much better friends than a super model who is a wench.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If we are saying that having muscles is unwomanly then we can also say having a dominant personality and being successful in business are not womanly. That a woman should stay at home with the kids, be soft and obey her man is the ultimate goal of being feminine because that is the way it was for hundreds of years (and the way it still is in many parts of this world.) Fortunately ideals change and what people are attracted to changes. I think the more that muscular females are displayed in a positive light in the media, the more acceptance and sex appeal they will hold for the general public.
On the same note, women SHOULD be attracted to manly men who are strong and can take care of them but in today's society, atleast in America, we are overloaded with metrosexuals :( Unfortunatley public opinion changes what the mainstream public finds attactive and not always for the better.
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natural female bb's look great. The unnatural ones don't. Extra test in women makes them masculine, it's simple.
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On the same note, women SHOULD be attracted to manly men who are strong and can take care of them but in today's society, atleast in America, we are overloaded with metrosexuals :( Unfortunatley public opinion changes what the mainstream public finds attactive and not always for the better.
yes we are!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Trying to do this honestly and seriously,..... I stopped buying Womens Physique World in 1993. Have the complete run off the newstand prior to that, so that has to say something.
I respect modern FBBers who take it to the max. I wish the clock could be wound back, and wonder what women BBers at the Olympia would look like with modern drug testing ( don't think they make enough to buy what the sprinters use)
Am I offended, can't see how people can be offended by a look or activity, though sure some of you girls may have experienced some unpleasant behaviour.
Now am I attracted ???
Much thought has gone into that one because it is a loud No, generally, unless you are Elen Semple or Juilette B (damm JB always looks good)
Truth for me, is attractiveness has a lot to do with face. Think it is the same for many, and in the early days many attractive women (often with some modeling experience) entered BBing comps as a perceived means of back door entry to Holywood, following in Arnies footsteps.
Think a lot of people moan about the good old days as it was attracting aspiring models and actresses not just athletes.
Now just back to silently lurking...
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If we are saying that having muscles is unwomanly then we can also say having a dominant personality and being successful in business are not womanly. That a woman should stay at home with the kids, be soft and obey her man is the ultimate goal of being feminine because that is the way it was for hundreds of years (and the way it still is in many parts of this world.) Fortunately ideals change and what people are attracted to changes. I think the more that muscular females are displayed in a positive light in the media, the more acceptance and sex appeal they will hold for the general public.
Surely, anyone who is knowledgeable and dedicated to the physical life admires ALL-NATURAL feminine muscularity! I think it is as sexy as hell!! IMO, it's "light-years" ahead of the bird-legged, pipe-stem armed, borderline anorexic, media models and movie stars.
Anyone who says that all-natural muscle on a woman is "unwomanly/unfeminine" is simply IGNORANT and/or a couch-potato!
Women can be VERY strong (naturally) with two excellent historical cases in point...Katrina Sandwina and Jan Todd ("google them" to get educated...if necessary).
And, women can have fabulous figures developed through all-natural BB (e.g. Getbig's "own" Jodi, "Insomnia", and "Chamorrita"....to name a few).
At the risk of repeating myself, what destroyed competitive FBB in the public eye were the contest promoters/judges who, in emphasizing a progressively "bigger and tighter" look year-after-year, created a "she-he" look that ONLY doping/pharmaceuticals can support!! How can competitive FBB now "scale back down" to the "good ole" 'golden era' days of the 80's"...when fitness and figure competitors NOW have that SAME general public appealing, "much-more-feminine", look??!
How can FBB competition now backtrack/retrench to its former glory??! Aren't these FBBers permanently boxed in to "she-he" land by figure/fitness?! Am I missing something here??! Someone more knowledge on this subject please help me out?!
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Surely, anyone who is knowledgeable and dedicated to the physical life admires ALL-NATURAL feminine muscularity! I think it is as sexy as hell!! IMO, it's "light-years" ahead of the bird-legged, pipe-stem armed, borderline anorexic, media models and movie stars.
Anyone who says that all-natural muscle on a woman is "unwomanly/unfeminine" is simply IGNORANT and/or a couch-potato!
Women can be VERY strong (naturally) with two excellent historical cases in point...Katrina Sandwina and Jan Todd ("google them" to get educated...if necessary).
And, women can have fabulous figures developed through all-natural BB (e.g. Getbig's "own" Jodi, "Insomnia", and "Chamorrita"....to name a few).
At the risk of repeating myself, what destroyed competitive FBB in the public eye was the contest promoters who, in emphasizing a progressively "bigger and tighter" look year-after-year, created a "she-he" look that ONLY doping/pharmaceuticals can support!! How can competitive FBB now "scale back down" to the "good ole' 'golden era' days of the 80's"...when fitness and figure competitors NOW have that SAME general public appealing, "much-more-feminine", look??!
How can FBB competition now backtrack/retrench to its former glory??! Aren't these FBBers permanently boxed in to "she-he" land by figure/fitness?! Am I missing something here??! Someone more knowledge on this subject please help me out!
I think also that every human has muscle "it is just what they choose to do with it that makes the difference", and I love FBB's I think they are great!!!
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How can FBB competition now backtrack/retrench to its former glory??! Aren't these FBBers permanently boxed in to "she-he" land by figure/fitness?! Am I missing something here??! Someone more knowledge on this subject please help me out?!
Look at a few of the National Level girls who earned there Pro-Cards or were top 5 this year and you will see why Bbing can reclaim a beautiful/built look reminiscent of the past...a few names that pop into my mind are Lisa Bickels, Debi Laszewski, Britt Miller, Jamie Troxel, Galina Serdtsev, Kristy Hawkins, Angie Salvagno and really this list goes on and on. I think the judges definitely favored a more feminine, curvy softer look then in the past and in showed in many of the classes top 5, do some of these women still have a few hard lines in theis face-yes but much of that is due to being compeletely dehydrated and depleted.
Figure was starting to cross the line of being very close to bbing but this year they really scaled back the look. Now, if you ask Jodi or me, we will tell you the girls are too small plus you can still find evidence of drug abuse in many of the top girls faces. Much of the time it isn't as prevelant because Figure girls are not as depleted so their faces hold some fullness. Obviously there is not as much over-masculization but it is there.
I was very upset by the showing of girls who recieved their Pro-Cards in Figure because their size was so scaled down, but now that I am considering crossing over the bbing I understand the judges reasoning. There does have to be a difference in bbing and figure, especially if the organization wants to get away from over-developed bbers, and limiting muscluarity in Figure makes sense.
Hopefully this year we will see some of the bigger Figure competitors switch over to bbing and fill the bbing world with even more beautiful faces and bodies. If the judges continue to encourage and reward feminine bbers then women's bbing and and will be saved. For me it is a better choice because I don't like doing hours of cardio to cut down my muscle, I much prefer hitting the weights like I mean it and seeing the results. Many of my "sisters" feel this way as well and Fitness for the majority of us is not an option. If we can recieve recognition in bbing, be seen in magazines and shown as sexy and appealing then yes, bbing can be saved.
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Look at a few of the National Level girls who earned there Pro-Cards or were top 5 this year and you will see why Bbing can reclaim a beautiful/built look reminiscent of the past...a few names that pop into my mind are Lisa Bickels, Debi Laszewski, Britt Miller, Jamie Troxel, Galina Serdtsev, Kristy Hawkins, Angie Salvagno and really this list goes on and on. I think the judges definitely favored a more feminine, curvy softer look then in the past and in showed in many of the classes top 5, do some of these women still have a few hard lines in theis face-yes but much of that is due to being compeletely dehydrated and depleted.
Figure was starting to cross the line of being very close to bbing but this year they really scaled back the look. Now, if you ask Jodi or me, we will tell you the girls are too small plus you can still find evidence of drug abuse in many of the top girls faces. Much of the time it isn't as prevelant because Figure girls are not as depleted so their faces hold some fullness. Obviously there is not as much over-masculization but it is there.
I was very upset by the showing of girls who recieved their Pro-Cards in Figure because their size was so scaled down, but now that I am considering crossing over the bbing I understand the judges reasoning. There does have to be a difference in bbing and figure, especially if the organization wants to get away from over-developed bbers, and limiting muscluarity in Figure makes sense.
Hopefully this year we will see some of the bigger Figure competitors switch over to bbing and fill the bbing world with even more beautiful faces and bodies. If the judges continue to encourage and reward feminine bbers then women's bbing and and will be saved. For me it is a better choice because I don't like doing hours of cardio to cut down my muscle, I much prefer hitting the weights like I mean it and seeing the results. Many of my "sisters" feel this way as well and Fitness for the majority of us is not an option. If we can recieve recognition in bbing, be seen in magazines and shown as sexy and appealing then yes, bbing can be saved.
Thank God for all you dedicated, hardcore, unbelievably self-disciplined, highly-accomplished, FBBers, who are AAS/GH free, and compete successfully against the drug-bloated "she-he's" in open amateur (dare I say professional??!) BB competition!!!
Talk about "giant-killers", "role-models", "heroes"...for all young aspiring weight-training girl and women...you gals are truly IT!!!
I, and my fellow dedicated, hardcore, all-natural, male BBers (I'm sure!), TRULY salute you!!!
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I think a big reason why bigger girls elicit so many comments is guys feel insecure and need to make themselves feel better. You would never go up to a heavy person and shake your head in disgust and say "why (shakes head), it's just too much" but I've had that comment a few times and I am not that big.
I think there are mamny people who just aren't attracted to a female with muscle just as I am not attracted to males with none, I think those men tend to not say anything because they could care less how you look. It is the guys who insist on making stupid comments that feel insecure in themselves (and almost look up to you) that need to tear you down.
its not that..at least with men like myself..
i love muscle on a girl...naturally built..
but there are VERY few women out there that can pull off looking feminine using steroids past a certain point.
steroids ARE MALE HORMONE after all for gods sake..
i've dated my share of fem bbers..and i draw the line at excess facial hair...clitoral enlargement..and voice like that of a teenage boy.. :-\
as much as other female bbers insist on turning a blind eye to it but hiding inside a subculture..it happens..
you wouldn't date a girly boy...soo why is it wrong for me not to want a manly girl?
oo..right..its cause i'm insecure..
gotcha ;)
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. Do I use gear? No. Will I ever? Maybe. Maybe not. As a natural I can outlift a few of the men in my gym and go rep for rep pound for pound with a few. I get stared at depending on what I'm wearing by men and women and the only men who seem to have a problem with my muscularity are men who are out of shape. So if female muscle offends you guys then maybe you should look at why it offends you and stop criticizing those of us who are comfortable in our skin.
see..i totally respect that...female muscle is hot...its just the masculine face that females get when using gear thats not..
dont yall see that?
and if ya do ever decide to gear up...oxandrolone...maybe winnie...no more
PS i have no problem with a woman outlifting me...i used to train with this african chick..Dallas...she ws like 5 11...but one strong chick..shoulder press 80 lb dumbells like they were nothing..and i'd struggle with em...
thing is..dallas never juiced..had a hot female face...she used to run like 5 miles/day..had a shit diet..yet ws more muscular than most national level fem bbers i know..
she never lemme have sex with her >:( ..closest i got ws spotting her on squats.. ;D
: dallas if ya ..in the off chance ..hapen to read this..its junaid :) :
PM me woman >:(
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Well you never know, maybe Dallas "retired" and has 3 kids and a husband. ;D
I've got to agree with Toxic on the steroid part. To much is to much, but on the other hand it is their own free choice to use as much gear as they want. It's not my business.
The type of female with muscle I find hot is, for example:
(http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc463/th_48298__MG_2543_01_122_463lo.jpg) (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48298__MG_2543_01_122_463lo.jpg)(http://img148.imagevenue.com/loc596/th_48302_1089078974_l_122_596lo.jpg) (http://img148.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48302_1089078974_l_122_596lo.jpg)(http://img162.imagevenue.com/loc306/th_48307_dsc_0018_122_306lo.jpg) (http://img162.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48307_dsc_0018_122_306lo.jpg)(http://img25.imagevenue.com/loc436/th_48312_juliana012_122_436lo.jpg) (http://img25.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48312_juliana012_122_436lo.jpg)
(http://img148.imagevenue.com/loc423/th_48318_IMG_6347_jpg_122_423lo.jpg) (http://img148.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48318_IMG_6347_jpg_122_423lo.jpg)
Of course there are many many more examples. :)
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Well you never know, maybe Dallas "retired" and has 3 kids and a husband. ;D
ya didn't happen to train at capital fitness in riverdale MD didcha?
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ya didn't happen to train at capital fitness in riverdale MD didcha?
No I'm from The Netherlands. Have to catch a plane 3x3 times a week to do that, not to mention other sources of transport.
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No I'm from The Netherlands. Have to catch a plane 3x3 times a week to do that, not to mention other sources of transport.
ahhh the netherlands..the land of sheep and crappy cricket teams ;D
beautifull country though..i hope 2 visit one day...