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Pros and Cons of True Natural Bodybuilding
It is not always easy to be a true natural bodybuilder, and certainly not glamorous. In fact it is often quite frustrating as you have to deal with the following challenges:
It will take very hard work and lots of patience to reach your goals.
You will never get the same results as bodybuilders who use drugs.
You will never be able to compete in contests at a serious level.
You will never get lots of compliments in the gym because there will always be a doped bodybuilder who is bigger and more muscular.
As soon as you start getting serious results, people automatically think that you are on drugs. If you say that you are not, they may think that you are a liar.
You will always have to deal with the temptation of the quick results that you could get by using drugs.
You will never know how successful you would have been as a doped bodybuilder.
Fortunately there are also some attractive advantages of being a true natural bodybuilder as compared to being a doped bodybuilder:
You don't have to buy and use illegal drugs.
You are not taking any health risks. In fact, you are significantly improving your health.
You are saving lots of money.
You won't have to lie about using drugs.
Most women prefer men with natural bodies.
You can really be proud of your results because they exist only thanks to your own efforts, and not as a result of some pills or injections.
http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/true-natural-bodybuilding.html (http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/true-natural-bodybuilding.html)
haha. Judging by this page, ephedrine ruins TRUE natural status..haha or ma huang. I guess if you've had a ripped force, you're not clean..haha
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Cons: it will take you 15 years of meticulous training/lifestyle to achieve what a novice lifter can achieve in 1 or 2 cycles... aprox 2-4 months...
Cons: losing muscle by missing a day of your precious and precise schedule or missing an important meal
Cons: Muscle being flat and small while it is breaking down and repairing itself, compared to always jacked.
Cons: Girls like guys with bodies like Men's Heath cover or Muscle & Fitness, all of which are jacked , just not using the heavier androgens but lighter cutting drugs like primo, winstrol, oxandralone
Pro: You can scream at the top of your lungs that you're 100% natural and no one will care or they will accuse you of lying and being a closet juicer :)
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haha. Judging by this page, ephedrine ruins TRUE natural status..haha or ma huang. I guess if you've had a ripped force, you're not clean..haha
i agree with that. anything that works any tiny bit better than any real whole food /water should make someone "unnatural"... a true natural bodybuilder should only eat regular food with no supplements, no performance enhancers, no stimulants, no nothing. weights and food only, that would be true natural bodybuilding.
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at the end ur better off natural.
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Cons: it will take you 15 years of meticulous training/lifestyle to achieve what a novice lifter can achieve in 1 or 2 cycles... aprox 2-4 months...
Cons: losing muscle by missing a day of your precious and precise schedule or missing an important meal
Cons: Muscle being flat and small while it is breaking down and repairing itself, compared to always jacked.
Cons: Girls like guys with bodies like Men's Heath cover or Muscle & Fitness, all of which are jacked , just not using the heavier androgens but lighter cutting drugs like primo, winstrol, oxandralone
Pro: You can scream at the top of your lungs that you're 100% natural and no one will care or they will accuse you of lying and being a closet juicer :)
I was gonna post something, but this pretty much sums it up.
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Considering most people outside the industry find you huge as a natural why bother to be bigger anyway. always being looked at with disgust and disrespect.
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Another pro to being natural is keeping your gains year round. Not having to worry about losing size or strenth while in between cycles.
But in converse to this is losing your gains quicker if your lifting schedule or diet are disrupted for long periods. If one is juicing, I would think he is more likely to hold on to what he has when not eating right or missing a decent amount of workouts. And coming back from a layoff, someone juicing can blow back up a lot quicker than a natural lifter to get back to where he was.
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the fun part of being natural is to get a better physique then someone who is juiced, thats not always that hard considering most juicers look like shit.
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the fun part of being natural is to get a better physique then someone who is juiced, thats not always that hard considering most juicers look like shit.
Hahahaha...yeah ok mars... this hasppens all the time (in fantasy land)
the bottom line is the person on juice doesn't have to work as hard and have all his shit in order (diet, sleep, supplements) I eat fast food all the time and I still grow and lose BF , good luck doing that naturally.
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the fun part of being natural is to get a better physique then someone who is juiced, thats not always that hard considering most juicers look like shit.
There are definitely a ton of juicers that look like shit, but walk into any gym across the world and the sweeping majority of natties will look like pure shit too.
If you use low dosed drugs, get checked out and use your brain then it's not as bad as it sounds out of context "OMG DRUGS!!1" ::)
Everyone is on drugs that have horrible, shitty side affects. If I'm going to take any drugs, it's sure as hell going to be drugs that make me look and feel better. There's no doubt that they're a detriment to your health, but I'd rather juice than DRINK every weekend like a stupid twink. AAS users are the most intelligent group of recreational drug users/abusers. It's not like juicers start jonesing for a ml of test and go stark raving mad.
Most "naturals" have used some shit like m1t of ephedrine that completely compromised their natural status anyway. They need to get off their high horses. I respect guys like Kyomu who are completely honest about their drug use. He used winny for a few weeks a decade ago, hated it, was ashamed, and has trained his balls off naturally/clean ever since. That's completely respectable, 100%. If someone like Kyomu lifts naturally because he wants to push himself and explore his limits, that's great. I want to do the same thing, but I'm willing to use drugs to get there. I'm honest about it, use intelligently, discuss it with my doctor and loved ones... I don't see what's so horrible about that.
People drink, take prescription drugs, recreational drugs, aspirin and OTC drugs, everyone's on fucking drugs. Everything is synthetic. Try reading a bottle of shampoo or a food label in the fridge. No one's really natural.
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Hahahaha...yeah ok mars... this hasppens all the time (in fantasy land)
the bottom line is the person on juice doesn't have to work as hard and have all his shit in order (diet, sleep, supplements) I eat fast food all the time and I still grow and lose BF , good luck doing that naturally.
yes but they can have size but a lot of them are bloated as hell and aint doing a thing to get rid of it.
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yes but they can have size but a lot of them are bloated as hell and aint doing a thing to get rid of it.
Those are juiced up losers though. There are also natural losers who look just the same.
There are great looking juicers and natural lifters. But not everyone is interested in investing half their adult life to attain a respectable, aesthetic physique when it can be attained a lot quicker. Juicing definitely isn't for everyone, but it also shouldn't be demonized.
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a true natural bodybuilder should only eat regular food with no supplements, no performance enhancers, no stimulants, no nothing. weights and food only, that would be true natural bodybuilding.
I'm not a bodybuilder but I do just that. And the gainz keep coming. ;D
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Pros:
*Don't have invest your money funding some drug dealers lifestyle…rather spend that money on something worthwhile.
*No weekly painful injections, risking hitting a veins, possible Nerve damage and scar tissue buildup in your arse.
*No worries about getting ripped off with fake juice… getting an abscess and having to get a huge chunk cut out of your butt cheek.
*No justifying to yourself, lying to others and having to hide your gear when your friends & folks come around.
*No risk of shrinking balls
* No loss of libido (after a cycle)
*No risk of accelerated hair loss, “backne” , and hair on your back.
Cons:
None
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Pros and Cons of True Natural Bodybuilding
It is not always easy to be a true natural bodybuilder, and certainly not glamorous. In fact it is often quite frustrating as you have to deal with the following challenges:
It will take very hard work and lots of patience to reach your goals.
You will never get the same results as bodybuilders who use drugs.
You will never be able to compete in contests at a serious level.
You will never get lots of compliments in the gym because there will always be a doped bodybuilder who is bigger and more muscular.
As soon as you start getting serious results, people automatically think that you are on drugs. If you say that you are not, they may think that you are a liar.
You will always have to deal with the temptation of the quick results that you could get by using drugs.
You will never know how successful you would have been as a doped bodybuilder.
Fortunately there are also some attractive advantages of being a true natural bodybuilder as compared to being a doped bodybuilder:
You don't have to buy and use illegal drugs.
You are not taking any health risks. In fact, you are significantly improving your health.
You are saving lots of money.
You won't have to lie about using drugs.
Most women prefer men with natural bodies.
You can really be proud of your results because they exist only thanks to your own efforts, and not as a result of some pills or injections.
http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/true-natural-bodybuilding.html (http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/true-natural-bodybuilding.html)
haha. Judging by this page, ephedrine ruins TRUE natural status..haha or ma huang. I guess if you've had a ripped force, you're not clean..haha
duh bitch
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i agree with that. anything that works any tiny bit better than any real whole food /water should make someone "unnatural"... a true natural bodybuilder should only eat regular food with no supplements, no performance enhancers, no stimulants, no nothing. weights and food only, that would be true natural bodybuilding.
One would have to distinguish between "supplements" and "meal replacements".
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natural bb'ing = destined to forever be a tinytit. Fuck that.
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natural bb'ing = destined to forever be a tinytit. Fuck that.
in this community yes.
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I would put it this way:
Natural = normal food + all supplements which make it easier to ingest certain components contained in normal food (e.g. protein powder and aminos, multi-vitamins and -minerals, EFA supplements, fiber supplements, creatine, caffeine, etc.)
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in this community yes.
I have respect for the guys who can say no to the drugs, but for some, the allure of hugeness is far too great to ignore.
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Who cares if you juice or not and who cares if you are natural or not, fact is, at the end of the day only results count.
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Who cares if you juice or not and who cares if you are natural or not, fact is, at the end of the day only results count.
that tends to be the feeling in most gyms
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that tends to be the feeling in most gyms
This is true in all life, not just the gym. A few months ago I put almost a month's work into a paper and got the same grade as I did on another one I had only put a few days into. Fact is, only results count, people don't care how much work you put in, only what the finished product is like, which is why you get people like Croatch who scream all the time about being natural when no one gives a shit.
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juiced is not finished product - when off juicy its gone like snow
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Better long term health being natural but seeing results takes a lot longer.
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Anything man can conceive and create is natural. Unnatural would literally be supernatural.
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not many natural gain 35lbs of muscle in 1 year :-\
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why workout and be consistent with dieting for 10 years drug free to get half the size of a juiced bodybuilder.
you only have so long to be young a jacked. its sad seeing people in there 30's and up working out natural to look good when some 20 year old looks better than you in a fraction of the time.
go see your local dope man and get some test in to ya.
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almost no natural gains 35lbs of muscle in 1 year :-\
Because he says it, it must be true... ::)
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not many natural gain 35lbs of muscle in 1 year :-\
Not many juiced guys gain 35lbs of pure muscle in 1 year either.
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For some it's not all about the results it's also about the process. The dedication and drive to start a lifelong project and see it through. Will you be "jacked" in your twenties and bigger quicker...sure, but the measure of a man is determined by the life he leads and the example he sets for himself and others.
Who cares if you took a month to write a paper that got the same grade as a two day paper. Who cares what "grade" others give you? It's the learning process that counts.
There are no shortcuts to being a real man. That's a hard message to get into Western culture these days.
on the other hand...I don't give a shit what you do with your life. ;D
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Anything man can conceive and create is natural. Unnatural would literally be supernatural.
Where did you get that definition? Unnatural is quite different from supernatural.
Natural refers to anything that occurs in nature in whatever state or form, by itself or combined with other substances physically or chemically. Unnatural refers to something that is man-made, which means, combining things to form something "new' which is unnatural because that specific combination or amalgamation wouldn't exist (in nature) otherwise.
So a carrot is natural, but carrot cake is unnatural, even though all of it's ingredients may be natural.
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Hahahaha...yeah ok mars... this hasppens all the time (in fantasy land)
the bottom line is the person on juice doesn't have to work as hard and have all his shit in order (diet, sleep, supplements) I eat fast food all the time and I still grow and lose BF , good luck doing that naturally.
post your pic
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youll never look anything like this
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/candidate2025/100.jpg)
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no such thing as natural "bodybuilding"
Spend all your time training and eating to look like a drug user, but not use the drugs yourself? contradictory??
you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Want to look like a drug user = use drugs
Want to look good, muscular and lean = stay natural
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there are no CONS to natural bbing imo
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Where did you get that definition? Unnatural is quite different from supernatural.
Natural refers to anything that occurs in nature in whatever state or form, by itself or combined with other substances physically or chemically. Unnatural refers to something that is man-made, which means, combining things to form something "new' which is unnatural because that specific combination or amalgamation wouldn't exist (in nature) otherwise.
So a carrot is natural, but carrot cake is unnatural, even though all of it's ingredients may be natural.
That's my definition as it relates to bodybuilding. Bodybuilding isn't natural even without anabolic steroids. A so-called modern natural bodybuilder wouldn't exist in nature without a bunch of man-made "tools", be it drugs, supplements, training contraptions they use etc. Just because you forgo anabolic steroids in the specific doesn't make you very natural. Natural bodybuilding is a misnomer, a silly distinction.
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That's my definition as it relates to bodybuilding.
Beg your pardon, I thought you meant it in a Metaphysical context.
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juiced is not finished product - when off juicy its gone like snow
True, but only if that person stops training and eating. I've seen the most retarded juicers go on sauce for a year, come off completely and only train chest and arms and still look fantastic. They don't count calories or even know what a macronutrient is. Stop over exaggerating everything. You're just as bad as an overzealous feminist.
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youll never look anything like this
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/candidate2025/100.jpg)
sorry but. neither will you :D
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That's my definition as it relates to bodybuilding. Bodybuilding isn't natural even without anabolic steroids. A so-called modern natural bodybuilder wouldn't exist in nature without a bunch of man-made "tools", be it drugs, supplements, training contraptions they use etc. Just because you forgo anabolic steroids in the specific doesn't make you very natural. Natural bodybuilding is a misnomer, a silly distinction.
natural bodybuilder is defined differently by everyone i guess.
to me natural bodybuilder = no hormones...
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natural bodybuilder is defined differently by everyone i guess.
to me natural bodybuilder = no hormones...
I think the general consensus for lying bodybuilders is under 1g AAS = natural :D
To me, it means no drugs. No pro hormones, designer steroids, oral or injectable steroids, no T3, ephedrine, etc. Basically nothing but natural supplements, protein powder, creatine, amino acids, etc. Nothing synthetic. There are very few natural bodybuilders out there.
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plus natural means lifetime
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plus natural means lifetime
YES!!! If you've used drugs, you are not natural. Your natural homeostasis has been greatly altered, even if it was just one small cycle or bout of drug use. If you have used drugs but currently abstain, you are CLEAN, not natural... CLEAN!!!!!
It doesn't matter if it was 2 years ago or 20, you're never considered a natural if you've used performance enhancing drugs. Not that there's no shame in that. People just need to get off their high horses.
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I think the general consensus for lying bodybuilders is under 1g AAS = natural :D
To me, it means no drugs. No pro hormones, designer steroids, oral or injectable steroids, no T3, ephedrine, etc. Basically nothing but natural supplements, protein powder, creatine, amino acids, etc. Nothing synthetic. There are very few natural bodybuilders out there.
lmao
to be honest I think what you and Van_B wrote is just a juicers way of trying to rationalize his own drug use.
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I am not reading this thread but two words apply: Genetic Limit!
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lmao
to be honest I think what you and Van_B wrote is just a juicers way of trying to rationalize his own drug use.
What's there to rationalize? We're already completely content. I have no shame... why should I?
This gets into the whole "cheating" debate. I'm not cheating anyone. I think I'd be cheating myself if I DIDN'T use drugs and trained this hard!! I know that I wouldn't look nearly as good as I'm capable of. I'm not trying to dodge any bullets at all. I don't care if anyone uses drugs, as long as they do it safely, get checked up and don't start bragging about being natural.
Whether someone's natural or not, it's annoying for fags to jump on the soap box and proclaim their natural status to the world. No one really cares.
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What's there to rationalize? We're already completely content. I have no shame... why should I?
This gets into the whole "cheating" debate. I'm not cheating anyone. I think I'd be cheating myself if I DIDN'T use drugs and trained this hard!! I know that I wouldn't look nearly as good as I'm capable of. I'm not trying to dodge any bullets at all. I don't care if anyone uses drugs, as long as they do it safely, get checked up and don't start bragging about being natural.
Whether someone's natural or not, it's annoying for fags to jump on the soap box and proclaim their natural status to the world. No one really cares.
it's to me very obvious that you are trying to rationalize it. trying to put someone using fucking protein powder and creatine in the same corner as a drug user.
maybe we should call it "hormonized bodybuilders" and "non-hormonized bodybyilders" if it's the word "natural" that confuses you.
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it's to me very obvious that you are trying to rationalize it. trying to put someone using fucking protein powder and creatine in the same corner as a drug user.
maybe we should call it "hormonized bodybuilders" and "non-hormonized bodybyilders" if it's the word "natural" that confuses you.
yes, protein powder is just food. creatine however i can understand i someone have a problem with, but it can't be put in the same group as dbol either.
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not this shit again
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Who wants to be 250 pounds, sweat all the time, get out of breath when walking, all this just because? Attention and ego?
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natural bb'ing = destined to forever be a tinytit. Fuck that.
Wrong
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natural bodybuilder is defined differently by everyone i guess.
to me natural bodybuilder = no hormones...
I agree, sums up my definition as well. Pretty simple.
if you really want to get grab straws, you could say lifting weights to build muscle is not natural. gyms & weightrooms are not natural, etc.. anything more than bodyweight exercises isnt natural.. etc etc. Im sure some folks here think that way.
people could argue just about any aspect of it all day long, for the sake of argueing. ::)
nutritional/herbal supplements that are legal without prescription & widely available that millions of regular people use everyday to control weight, give energy etc. doesnt ruin a natural bodybuilder status, IMO.
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Wrong
x's 2
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Who cares if you juice or not and who cares if you are natural or not, fact is, at the end of the day only results count.
X2
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trying to put someone using fucking protein powder and creatine in the same corner as a drug user.
Creatine can be considered a drug and is a drug. Amino acids can be and are drugs. Foods sometimes contain potent drugs that can be used for doping, L-Dopa in fava beans for example. :D
There's no such thing as natural bodybuilding. Bodybuilding isn't natural, it's a manipulation of the body to go beyond the norm.
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gh is just a sequence of 191 amino acids... is it okay cuz its just protein, right?
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gh is just a sequence of 191 amino acids... is it okay cuz its just protein, right?
That's what Stallone said, "it's just an amino acid" :D
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is natural bodybuilding healthy?
to gain muscle you have to eat more than normal, overeating is not healthy
heavy lifting strains the heart, right?
any muscle built in the gym is unnecessary for survival, that's why we shrink when we quit training and dieting
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just curious Croatch, did you get really bad side effects when you used steroids? what was it that made you stop using them?
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gh is just a sequence of 191 amino acids... is it okay cuz its just protein, right?
Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease is caused by a 209 aa protein...... :-\
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Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease is caused by a 209 aa protein...... :-\
is that why 70's bodybuilders got mad cow from Rhesus Monkey gh?
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are you on teh sauce, Earl? :o
and Natural bodybuilding is the healthiest sport on earth
you do not have to eat more than normal, that = fatness
lifting heavy is not needed for muscle gains
this guy looks pretty healthy to me
(http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/4847/sreev006.jpg)
no i'm not on the sauce
i'm not saying you have to pig out, but who gains muscle just by eating 3 meals a day?
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no i'm not on the sauce
i'm not saying you have to pig out, but who gains muscle just by eating 3 meals a day?
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You really don't have to eat that much depending on your body type.
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You really don't have to eat that much depending on your body type.
what happened to the 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight mantra?
isn't that overeating?
everybody says that is the amount you should eat for muscle growth
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what happened to the 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight mantra?
isn't that overeating?
everybody says that is the amount you should eat for muscle growth
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You can supplement that with a little something called whey protein powder.
It doesn't take that much.
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You can supplement that with a little something called whey protein powder.
It doesn't take that much.
there are still calories in whey protein
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Cons: it will take you 15 years of meticulous training/lifestyle to achieve what a novice lifter can achieve in 1 or 2 cycles... aprox 2-4 months...
Cons: losing muscle by missing a day of your precious and precise schedule or missing an important meal
Cons: Muscle being flat and small while it is breaking down and repairing itself, compared to always jacked.
Cons: Girls like guys with bodies like Men's Heath cover or Muscle & Fitness, all of which are jacked , just not using the heavier androgens but lighter cutting drugs like primo, winstrol, oxandralone
Pro: You can scream at the top of your lungs that you're 100% natural and no one will care or they will accuse you of lying and being a closet juicer :)
QFT
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what happened to the 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight mantra?
isn't that overeating?
everybody says that is the amount you should eat for muscle growth
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thats not over eating... if you weigh 200l;bs and eat 200grams of prtoein per day...even lets say 300 grams of protein every day...and with that you get 100grams of fat.... then you have 2100 calories... which will be under basal metabolic rate for a 200lber...
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is natural bodybuilding healthy?
to gain muscle you have to eat more than normal, overeating is not healthy
heavy lifting strains the heart, right?
any muscle built in the gym is unnecessary for survival, that's why we shrink when we quit training and dieting
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Exercising is healthy, but gaining muscle mass for the sake of it is not. And this doesn't mean it's bad for you. It just...is.
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it's to me very obvious that you are trying to rationalize it. trying to put someone using fucking protein powder and creatine in the same corner as a drug user.
maybe we should call it "hormonized bodybuilders" and "non-hormonized bodybyilders" if it's the word "natural" that confuses you.
You're a fucking idiot, dude. I said that a natural can use those and still be considered natural. They shouldn't use any SYNTHETIC DRUGS outside of NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS AND FOOD SOURCES, such as protein powder, creatine, aminos, etc. Any SYNTHETIC drugs ruin your "natural" status.
Go fuck yourself, dude.
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Natural bodybuilders will always wonder: "What could have been?"
they plague themselves with the constant question and wannabe commitment to being natural. They probably stare at pics of Skip LaCour all day thinking; "yeah, he's natural"
Would you rather have a stock Corvette, a blown Corvette, or a blown Vette with Nitrous? Bad analogy. A stock Corvette is still more badass than a "natural" whatever.
I guess you could just wash and polish your Neon a little more.
Natural bodybuilders shouldn't aspire to be "bodybuilders".. they should just work out and be into fitness and leave it at that.
Magazines like Musclemag, Flex, Ironman and MD have got to make a "natural" bodybuilder feel inadequate in every sense of the word. You end up in a world of your own with a chip on your shoulder every time you see a.... well... "bodybuilder"-- you grab a copy of "Natural Bodybuilding' and you go; "damn, I hope I don't look that bad"
It must suck to be drooling and be pissed all the time.
You will always be smaller, weaker, fatter and less cut.
Deal with it, "Natty"
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Natural bodybuilders will always wonder: "What could have been?"
they plague themselves with the constant question and wannabe commitment to being natural. They probably stare at pics of Skip LaCour all day thinking; "yeah, he's natural"
Would you rather have a stock Corvette, a blown Corvette, or a blown Vette with Nitrous? Bad analogy. A stock Corvette is still more badass than a "natural" whatever.
I guess you could just wash and polish your Neon a little more.
Natural bodybuilders shouldn't aspire to be "bodybuilders".. they should just work out and be into fitness and leave it at that.
Magazines like Musclemag, Flex, Ironman and MD have got to make a "natural" bodybuilder feel inadequate in every sense of the word. You end up in a world of your own with a chip on your shoulder every time you see a.... well... "bodybuilder"-- you grab a copy of "Natural Bodybuilding' and you go; "damn, I hope I don't look that bad"
It must suck to be drooling and be pissed all the time.
You will always be smaller, weaker, fatter and less cut.
Deal with it, "Natty"
A lot of that is true, but on the flip side, a guy who juices will have just as bad (if not worse) a bruise to the ego, as he comes to terms with facts such as
1) How he'll never look like Ronnie or Dorian or whoever it is that he idolizes in the pro ranks, even though he's taking shit loads of juice
2) How it is possible to still look like complete shit despite juicing, as a lot of juicers do
3) How there are guys out there with bigger and better builds, even though they don't juice or sometimes even lift (very few, but still, they exist)
4) How there are guys out there who are stronger and out lift him in the gym even though they don't juice and he does
5) How he has to deal with a lot of side effects like acne and shrunken nuts, just to be able to brag about having 19" arms, which 99.9% of people don't care about and which could be built naturally
6) How one day, he'll have to stop juicing and when he does, he'll be worse off than he started health-wise and won't have the blanket of muscle to shield the insecurities he had in the first place.
And so on. Sure, a lot of the above is generalization and isn't always true, but same goes for your post too ;)
And not all of us nattys are always pissed off, even though most of us have a great deal of respect for guys with pro-level development.
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Pro: less delusional
Con: less delusional
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A lot of that is true, but on the flip side, a guy who juices will have just as bad (if not worse) a bruise to the ego, as he comes to terms with facts such as
1) How he'll never look like Ronnie or Dorian or whoever it is that he idolizes in the pro ranks, even though he's taking shit loads of juice
2) How it is possible to still look like complete shit despite juicing, as a lot of juicers do
3) How there are guys out there with bigger and better builds, even though they don't juice or sometimes even lift (very few, but still, they exist)
4) How there are guys out there who are stronger and out lift him in the gym even though they don't juice and he does
5) How he has to deal with a lot of side effects like acne and shrunken nuts, just to be able to brag about having 19" arms, which 99.9% of people don't care about and which could be built naturally
6) How one day, he'll have to stop juicing and when he does, he'll be worse off than he started health-wise and won't have the blanket of muscle to shield the insecurities he had in the first place.
And so on. Sure, a lot of the above is generalization and isn't always true, but same goes for your post too ;)
And not all of us nattys are always pissed off, even though most of us have a great deal of respect for guys with pro-level development.
also justifying the financial cost and theres no more excuses as to not being stronger or more built
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A lot of that is true, but on the flip side, a guy who juices will have just as bad (if not worse) a bruise to the ego, as he comes to terms with facts such as
1) How he'll never look like Ronnie or Dorian or whoever it is that he idolizes in the pro ranks, even though he's taking shit loads of juice
2) How it is possible to still look like complete shit despite juicing, as a lot of juicers do
3) How there are guys out there with bigger and better builds, even though they don't juice or sometimes even lift (very few, but still, they exist)
4) How there are guys out there who are stronger and out lift him in the gym even though they don't juice and he does
5) How he has to deal with a lot of side effects like acne and shrunken nuts, just to be able to brag about having 19" arms, which 99.9% of people don't care about and which could be built naturally
6) How one day, he'll have to stop juicing and when he does, he'll be worse off than he started health-wise and won't have the blanket of muscle to shield the insecurities he had in the first place.
And so on. Sure, a lot of the above is generalization and isn't always true, but same goes for your post too ;)
And not all of us nattys are always pissed off, even though most of us have a great deal of respect for guys with pro-level development.
Spot on kiwol...
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You're a fucking idiot, dude. I said that a natural can use those and still be considered natural. They shouldn't use any SYNTHETIC DRUGS outside of NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS AND FOOD SOURCES, such as protein powder, creatine, aminos, etc. Any SYNTHETIC drugs ruin your "natural" status.
Go fuck yourself, dude.
sorry missread. ease up on the test dude ;D
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A lot of that is true, but on the flip side, a guy who juices will have just as bad (if not worse) a bruise to the ego, as he comes to terms with facts such as
1) How he'll never look like Ronnie or Dorian or whoever it is that he idolizes in the pro ranks, even though he's taking shit loads of juice
2) How it is possible to still look like complete shit despite juicing, as a lot of juicers do
3) How there are guys out there with bigger and better builds, even though they don't juice or sometimes even lift (very few, but still, they exist)
4) How there are guys out there who are stronger and out lift him in the gym even though they don't juice and he does
5) How he has to deal with a lot of side effects like acne and shrunken nuts, just to be able to brag about having 19" arms, which 99.9% of people don't care about and which could be built naturally
6) How one day, he'll have to stop juicing and when he does, he'll be worse off than he started health-wise and won't have the blanket of muscle to shield the insecurities he had in the first place.
And so on. Sure, a lot of the above is generalization and isn't always true, but same goes for your post too ;)
And not all of us nattys are always pissed off, even though most of us have a great deal of respect for guys with pro-level development.
Extremely "well said" for the flip-side. I just happen to have been on both sides. Obviously, you've picked up on that. Good post.
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A lot of that is true, but on the flip side, a guy who juices will have just as bad (if not worse) a bruise to the ego, as he comes to terms with facts such as
1) How he'll never look like Ronnie or Dorian or whoever it is that he idolizes in the pro ranks, even though he's taking shit loads of juice
2) How it is possible to still look like complete shit despite juicing, as a lot of juicers do
3) How there are guys out there with bigger and better builds, even though they don't juice or sometimes even lift (very few, but still, they exist)
4) How there are guys out there who are stronger and out lift him in the gym even though they don't juice and he does
5) How he has to deal with a lot of side effects like acne and shrunken nuts, just to be able to brag about having 19" arms, which 99.9% of people don't care about and which could be built naturally
6) How one day, he'll have to stop juicing and when he does, he'll be worse off than he started health-wise and won't have the blanket of muscle to shield the insecurities he had in the first place.
And so on. Sure, a lot of the above is generalization and isn't always true, but same goes for your post too ;)
And not all of us nattys are always pissed off, even though most of us have a great deal of respect for guys with pro-level development.
QFT!!!
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sorry missread. ease up on the test dude ;D
Haha, no worries. I love you. ;D
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you first lol
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What's there to rationalize? We're already completely content. I have no shame... why should I?
This gets into the whole "cheating" debate. I'm not cheating anyone. I think I'd be cheating myself if I DIDN'T use drugs and trained this hard!! I know that I wouldn't look nearly as good as I'm capable of. I'm not trying to dodge any bullets at all. I don't care if anyone uses drugs, as long as they do it safely, get checked up and don't start bragging about being natural.
Whether someone's natural or not, it's annoying for fags to jump on the soap box and proclaim their natural status to the world. No one really cares.
Brutal steroid user rationalizations.
You use drugs because you FAIL to achieve anything great on your own.
The end.
Man up, make some real gains, then come see me in a year.
Simple facts of lifting, MOST people can't hack it without drugs...bottom line. Feel better knowing you're in the majority. Making solid gains without drugs is not easy, if it were, everyone would be doing it.
Rationalize drug use as much as you like, just know, you're a hack. ;) I personally, dust 90% of juiced up physiques I see at a major Gold's Gym. Not national level competitors, but gym goers who consistently FAIL themselves. It's fun to watch these rats on the roid wheel, plugging away like they're going for the next Mr. O, meanwhile, can't even attain a decent physique with drugs...it's a sad site.
Every conversation I have with someone on heavy drugs come off the same way, insecure about their drug use. "I'm not on now." "I don't take that much." I've heard it all before. These guys just can't do much on their own, period. Gain 40lbs on your own, then come talk to me. ;) I have no respect for it.
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Brutal steroid user rationalizations.
You use drugs because you FAIL to achieve anything great on your own.
The end.
Man up, make some real gains, then come see me in a year.
Team Croatch
You are not a lifetime natural and can never claim that status.
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You are not a lifetime natural and can never claim that status.
So what. A term is irrelevant. Clean/Natural/Drug Free.
I went from A-B with NO drugs. 150lbs to 215lbs.
The end. ;)
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So what. A term is irrelevant. Clean/Natural/Drug Free.
I went from A-B with NO drugs. 150lbs to 215lbs.
The end. ;)
35lbs of muscle in one year....top .000001% of genetics right there...
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35lbs of muscle in one year....top .000001% of genetics right there...
Not really. Take in 1000 calories a day for a while for a few years, now bump your calories to 3000 good ones, lift consistent with some muscle memory.
It's actually not that hard.
If you had the same caloric intake and just started training, I wouldn't think you could put on that same amount of weight.
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A lot of that is true, but on the flip side, a guy who juices will have just as bad (if not worse) a bruise to the ego, as he comes to terms with facts such as
1) How he'll never look like Ronnie or Dorian or whoever it is that he idolizes in the pro ranks, even though he's taking shit loads of juice
2) How it is possible to still look like complete shit despite juicing, as a lot of juicers do
3) How there are guys out there with bigger and better builds, even though they don't juice or sometimes even lift (very few, but still, they exist)
4) How there are guys out there who are stronger and out lift him in the gym even though they don't juice and he does
5) How he has to deal with a lot of side effects like acne and shrunken nuts, just to be able to brag about having 19" arms, which 99.9% of people don't care about and which could be built naturally
6) How one day, he'll have to stop juicing and when he does, he'll be worse off than he started health-wise and won't have the blanket of muscle to shield the insecurities he had in the first place.
And so on. Sure, a lot of the above is generalization and isn't always true, but same goes for your post too ;)
And not all of us nattys are always pissed off, even though most of us have a great deal of respect for guys with pro-level development.
qft.
great post.
i agree with all of this, despite being a juice monkey.
the reason i do? because it's accurate and describes a majority of juicers to a T for the most part.
now, if i used and lifted to impress others, this post would have caused me to become defensive, but i do what i do for myself and not as a band-aid for some type of insecurity.
but this post as a whole is spot on.
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35lbs of muscle in one year....top .000001% of genetics right there...
I gained about 27 pounds between these two shots in 14 months with no juice.
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Brutal steroid user rationalizations.
You use drugs because you FAIL to achieve anything great on your own.
The end.
Man up, make some real gains, then come see me in a year.
Simple facts of lifting, MOST people can't hack it without drugs...bottom line. Feel better knowing you're in the majority. Making solid gains without drugs is not easy, if it were, everyone would be doing it.
Rationalize drug use as much as you like, just know, you're a hack. ;) I personally, dust 90% of juiced up physiques I see at a major Gold's Gym. Not national level competitors, but gym goers who consistently FAIL themselves. It's fun to watch these rats on the roid wheel, plugging away like they're going for the next Mr. O, meanwhile, can't even attain a decent physique with drugs...it's a sad site.
Every conversation I have with someone on heavy drugs come off the same way, insecure about their drug use. "I'm not on now." "I don't take that much." I've heard it all before. These guys just can't do much on their own, period. Gain 40lbs on your own, then come talk to me. ;) I have no respect for it.
Hey Spic midget. I gained 70lbs naturally before using anything steroidal. I tried a designer steroid, gained lots and lost even more, and went back to the drawing board.
I've doubled my weight since I started lifting. I don't plan on gaining more weight, just quality muscle. 5'8" and just under 200lbs lean is fine with me, I don't want to get bigger and put strain on my heart. Lifting using a small amount of synergistic drugs is fine for me. I'm not trying to justify anything you hypocritical f*ggot. I've already justified everything, years ago. I've put in the hours in the gym, eaten hundreds of cans of tuna, pounds of oatmeal, truckloads of chicken breasts and steak, schools of fish, shit tons of vegetables and all of that. I know what I'm capable of, and I know that my capabilities are exponentially greater with PEDs.
What am I trying to justify? Nothing. It has already been justified. My only concerns are my health, which I take extremely seriously. I keep detailed logs of everything. I do not want to lift my entire life before I look good. Just hitting the point where I looked like a normal male my age was great. No more looking like a trans gender Asian anymore. Great!! I'm pleased. Now I can take it one step further, small steps at a time. You act like I'm a raging junky on grams of test and every drug under the sun, desperately trying to justify my next drug injection.
I also cycle off drugs and get constant blood work. I'm not an idiot. I've put in hundreds, if not thousands of hours researching as well. I put in more time in the kitchen and dining room table than in the weight room. I'm not just going to my local steroid dealer, asking for all the drugs he can get and jabbing them without a thought in my mind. Any time I have a concern, I can go to Bill Llewellyn and cross reference with him, I can go to steroid vets on message boards, I can visit my doctor and make sure I'm doing well. I'm happy with my progress, both on and off PEDs. I can and do make progress off drugs too. I'm not delusional, jaded and in denial like yourself. Go sit on a golf club you old homo.
I'm comfortable in my skin "Crotch". How about you?
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Pros:
*Don't have invest your money funding some drug dealers lifestyle…rather spend that money on something worthwhile.
*No weekly painful injections, risking hitting a veins, possible Nerve damage and scar tissue buildup in your arse.
*No worries about getting ripped off with fake juice… getting an abscess and having to get a huge chunk cut out of your butt cheek.
*No justifying to yourself, lying to others and having to hide your gear when your friends & folks come around.
*No risk of shrinking balls
* No loss of libido (after a cycle)
*No risk of accelerated hair loss, “backne” , and hair on your back.
Cons:
None
Great Post,, Natty for ever
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Guys........ how many natty's do you see with backne? :)
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Guys........ how many natty's do you see with backne? :)
LOL, looks like Alnutsack not only looks like shit...he juices to do it!
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Guys........ how many natty's do you see with backne? :)
Around here gyno, bacne, 500 pound bench and 40 pounds of lean mas in 30 days seem to be very common for natties.
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Around here gyno, bacne, 500 pound bench and 40 pounds of lean mas in 30 days seem to be very common for natties.
LOL
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Around here gyno, bacne, 500 pound bench and 40 pounds of lean mas in 30 days seem to be very common for natties.
I'm assuming that 500lb bench is raw with no spotter or wrist wraps. :)
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I'm assuming that 500lb bench is raw with no spotter or wrist wraps. :)
One armed...
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I'm assuming that 500lb bench is raw with no spotter or wrist wraps. :)
That goes without saying. To determine if you are in fact a natural by Getbig standards and that your lifts are in fact raw by Getbig standards you have to meet several requirements.
To be truly natural you must have never consumed anything that was prepared, fortified or contains higher concentrations of any substance found in all-natural food. If you have ever taken a multi vitamin, NSAID or consumed baked goods containing whey you have permanently increased your potential and are no longer natural.
As for lifting:
There can be no spotter or training partner present. Lift-outs, words of encouragement or positive vibes are not permitted. Why not just use a forklift.
All bench press reps must have a minimum of a five second rest at the bottom of the movement. If there is no judge present, pics or videos it never happened.
Clothing must be baggy. Any tight fabric or elastic and it is no longer a raw lift.
When you have met these criteria you can then post this information here and you will be notified if you have met the requirements.
Only then can you truly be "GETBIG APPROVED".
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That goes without saying. To determine if you are in fact a natural by Getbig standards and that your lifts are in fact raw by Getbig standards you have to meet several requirements.
To be truly natural you must have never consumed anything that was prepared, fortified or contains higher concentrations of any substance found in all-natural food. If you have ever taken a multi vitamin, NSAID or consumed baked goods containing whey you have permanently increased your potential and are no longer natural.
As for lifting:
There can be no spotter or training partner present. Lift-outs, words of encouragement or positive vibes are not permitted. Why not just use a forklift.
All bench press reps must have a minimum of a five second rest at the bottom of the movement. If there is no judge present, pics or videos it never happened.
Clothing must be baggy. Any tight fabric or elastic and it is no longer a raw lift.
When you have met these criteria you can then post this information here and you will be notified if you have met the requirements.
Only then can you truly be "GETBIG APPROVED".
You must also be prepared to have lifting form in the video critiqued by resident experts.
Lastly, even those with good form need to realize our experts see at least three guys in their gym who can lift a lot more with better form. :)
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Is HRT considered natural if used to replace low T to normal levels ?
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Maybe he's using prohormones or something.
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Brutal steroid user rationalizations.
You use drugs because you FAIL to achieve anything great on your own.
The end.
Man up, make some real gains, then come see me in a year.
Simple facts of lifting, MOST people can't hack it without drugs...bottom line. Feel better knowing you're in the majority. Making solid gains without drugs is not easy, if it were, everyone would be doing it.
Rationalize drug use as much as you like, just know, you're a hack. ;) I personally, dust 90% of juiced up physiques I see at a major Gold's Gym. Not national level competitors, but gym goers who consistently FAIL themselves. It's fun to watch these rats on the roid wheel, plugging away like they're going for the next Mr. O, meanwhile, can't even attain a decent physique with drugs...it's a sad site.
Every conversation I have with someone on heavy drugs come off the same way, insecure about their drug use. "I'm not on now." "I don't take that much." I've heard it all before. These guys just can't do much on their own, period. Gain 40lbs on your own, then come talk to me. ;) I have no respect for it.
HahAHAHAHAhahahaha.... ok Ronnnie , let's see some full body pics of your shredded 240lb physique...
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Pros:
Less side-effects
Less money spent on drugs
Less chance for "Palumboism"
Cons:
No matter how impressive your natural physique is, you will still be called a "swimmer" on Getbig.