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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2009, 10:20:58 AM »
Nice backpeddle job.

We both know where you came up with that line....Nobody likes a smartass TA.
I hope this helps.  I can help you out in anything regarding History.  At least now you know that selling Apples and Pencils are always Depression and Post-War staples.


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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2009, 10:22:12 AM »
Here is another famous photograph of a Pencil Seller-


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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2009, 10:24:03 AM »
And the obligatory "Clip-Art" of the "Pencils in a Cup Bum".


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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2009, 11:23:52 AM »
Perhaps the king the queen was merely jesting, Adonis?   ???

Fixed.

Epic Christopher Hitchens plagiarism.

Proof that TA follows Hitchens:

Hitchens

Not to mention, TA posted a clip of Jerry Falwell`s death in 2007 and said British people make the best atheists.  ;D
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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2009, 06:47:15 PM »
Fixed.

Proof that TA follows Hitchens:

Not to mention, TA posted a clip of Jerry Falwell`s death in 2007 and said British people make the best atheists.  ;D
Pencils and Apples during the depression and post war.  I can`t  believe none of you have EVER heard of this.  You guys need to read more books.

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2009, 06:48:02 PM »


Proof that TA follows Hitchens:

Not to mention, TA posted a clip of Jerry Falwell`s death in 2007 and said British people make the best atheists.  ;D

Yes, TA backpeddles more than Deion Sanders.

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2009, 06:48:30 PM »
Alex, like anyone with an IQ over 100 that dabbles in stocks, is well diversified.


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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2009, 06:49:44 PM »
Pencils and Apples during the depression and post war.  I can`t  believe none of you have EVER heard of this.  You guys need to read more books.

bums never sell shi.t they always want handouts around here....like the guy of I-95 in NC, fckn disgrace I see him every thanksgiving, prob pulls in danielson's annual salary easily in the holday season alone

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPTt since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2009, 06:50:42 PM »
He couldn`t have made a dime since the stock never rose nor did it pay a single cent in dividends nor did they post any profit in the time he recommended to buy.

Alex has pulled the wool over your eyes.

Are you familiar with short sales?

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2009, 07:31:39 PM »
alex23 is the sort of guy who is hit hardest by this economic climate

btw, with the downfall of many parts of his life is his relationship with his wife still going strong?

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2009, 08:37:20 PM »
United States of Amnesia.  Lots of great books and writers out there, just so few good readers.  Proof is in this thread.

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2009, 08:42:26 PM »
Masterful acumen as exhibited by The True Adonis.

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2009, 10:13:42 PM »
Pencils and Apples during the depression and post war.  I can`t  believe none of you have EVER heard of this.  You guys need to read more books.

TA, the truth is it is nothing to be ashamed of to be inspired by Hitchens or to borrow his material.  The fact is, he is an extremely sharp guy.

Also, much like yourself, I am hoping that Alex lost lots of money on the stock market too.
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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2009, 12:15:47 AM »
so does anyone know if Alex actually invested heavily enough in these stocks for something like this to happen or is Adonis just talking shit as per usual.

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2009, 12:31:09 AM »
TA, the truth is it is nothing to be ashamed of to be inspired by Hitchens or to borrow his material.  The fact is, he is an extremely sharp guy.

Also, much like yourself, I am hoping that Alex lost lots of money on the stock market too.
Nothing at all, but that is not where the idea of a vagrant who sells pencils from a cup came from.  Seriously, it is a historical euphemism wrapped in truth and mythologized by the New York Times for one.



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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2009, 12:35:05 AM »
Nothing at all, but that is not where the idea of a vagrant who sells pencils from a cup came from.  Seriously, it is a historical euphemism wrapped in truth and mythologized by the New York Times for one.




Nobody is arguing what the origin of the euphemism is.


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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2009, 12:44:05 AM »
Transcript from Christopher Hitchens appearance on Anderson Cooper, shortly after the death of Jerry Falwell.

COOPER: Christopher, I’m not sure if you believe in heaven,  but if you do, do you think Jerry Falwell is in it?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS, AUTHOR, “GOD IS NOT GREAT”: No. And I think it’s a pity there isn’t a hell for him to go to.

COOPER: What is it about him that brings up such vitriol?

HITCHENS: The empty life of this ugly little charlatan proves only one thing, that you can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and to truth in this country if you will just get yourself called reverend.

Who would, even at your network, have invited on such a little toad to tell us that the attacks of September the 11th were the result of our sinfulness and were God’s punishment if they hadn’t got some kind of clerical qualification?

People like that should be out in the street, shouting and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup.




Of course I could give you many more examples of Hitchen's using the phrase(in fact it's almost become trademark), but honestly it demeans the intelligence of myself, MattC and TA to keep this little charade continuing any further.

All 3 of us are FULLY aware of where TA got the euphemism.


Go ahead and start the video at 00:53. Hitchens clearly uses the phrase.


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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2009, 12:49:52 AM »
Nobody is arguing what the origin of the euphemism is.


You seem to think Hitchens made it up when he certainly did not.  Hitchens wasn`t even alive when people were selling pencils from a cup nor was he alive when the photographs and subseequent mythologizing of that "trade" began in the news media.

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2009, 12:50:44 AM »
Transcript from Christopher Hitchens appearance on Anderson Cooper, shortly after the death of Jerry Falwell.

COOPER: Christopher, I’m not sure if you believe in heaven,  but if you do, do you think Jerry Falwell is in it?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS, AUTHOR, “GOD IS NOT GREAT”: No. And I think it’s a pity there isn’t a hell for him to go to.

COOPER: What is it about him that brings up such vitriol?

HITCHENS: The empty life of this ugly little charlatan proves only one thing, that you can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and to truth in this country if you will just get yourself called reverend.

Who would, even at your network, have invited on such a little toad to tell us that the attacks of September the 11th were the result of our sinfulness and were God’s punishment if they hadn’t got some kind of clerical qualification?

People like that should be out in the street, shouting and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup.




Of course I could give you many more examples of Hitchen's using the phrase, but honestly it demeans the intelligence of myself, MattC and TA to keep this little charade continuing any further.

All 3 of us are FULLY aware of where TA got the euphemism.


Go ahead and start the video at 00:53. Hitchens clearly uses the phrase.



Where do you think Hitchens got it from since he did not make it up?

It demeans your intelligence when you wrongly attribute this euphemism to an undue and undeserving source which in this case is Hitchens.  Are you purposely blinding yourself to history and historical connotation and context because you dislike me that much?  That is pretty stupid.

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2009, 12:54:23 AM »
You seem to think Hitchens made it up

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Indeed.

The rebuttal of getbig.com's "foremost intellectual".


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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2009, 12:55:28 AM »


Vincent Burgess sells pencils in Brisbane during the Great Depression, around 1932. Photo courtesy John Oxley Library, State Library of Queensland.

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2009, 12:59:50 AM »
Hope this Helps Part 2

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Above: Vincent Burgess selling pencils in Brisbane during the Great Depression, around 1932.
Detail from a photograph published in the Sunday Truth, held in the John Oxley Library, State Library of Queensland

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2009, 01:04:39 AM »
Images of the Depression

There are many stereotypical images of the depression, images enforced by the mass media. These include:


    * Bread lines
    * Hoboes hopping freight trains
    * College grads becoming gas station attendants (or enrolling in graduate school in record numbers)
    * Skyrocketing rates of suicide and mental illness
    * Former businessmen selling pencils or apples on street corners
    * "Okies"--Oklahoma farmers escaping the dust bowl for migrant farm work in California, most vividly portrayed in John Steinbeck's novel The Grapes of Wrath (1939)

These stereotypes, many of which have become romanticized in popular culture, only depict the experience of a small number of the American people. The reality of long-term unemployment, the day-to-day despair, was much less dramatic, and thus more dismal. Two basic economic facts soured the lives of average Americans:

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Re: ALEX23, Did he go BANKRUPT since advocating heavily buying GM stock?
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2009, 01:09:23 AM »
Sunday Forum: Great Depression I
I was there; let me tell you what it was like, says GENE JANNUZI



Sunday, March 08, 2009
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The media's running refrain these days is: This recession is the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s. But they usually don't tell you what the Great Depression was like. Because most of them don't know -- they weren't there. I was.

I don't pretend that my vintage, at age 93, gives me special knowledge for remedying the 2008-2009 recession. Monetary policy, fiscal policy -- for that you can resurrect John Maynard Keynes and Milton Friedman. Or you can get the scoop from the new magi from the east, such as Paul Krugman, Thomas L. Friedman, George Will, David Brooks or Rush Limbaugh. But it still might be worthwhile to retro to the Great Depression.

In 1933, a pall hung over the land. It stalled the economy, battered the mind, clutched at the heart. The unemployment rate reached 25 percent, which meant 15 million Americans were without jobs. There was no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no Medicare, no Medicaid, no food stamps. Public assistance was starting, but slowly.

People queued along city streets in bread lines, snaking their way patiently to a handout of food by some charity. Some with an entrepreneurial bent sold apples, pencils or shoe laces on the sidewalks.

Settlements of makeshift huts, built of cardboard and orange crates, speckled the outskirts of towns. They were called "Hoovervilles," monuments to President Herbert L. Hoover's economic policies.

Hobos hopped freight trains, hoping to find something -- anything -- somewhere.

Nature and man conspired. Dust storms devastated the prairie states. Smog smothered the industrial regions. Here in the Pittsburgh tri-state area, thick black smoke hung low, spewed by the steel mills, by the coal-burning railroad locomotives and river boats, by the chimneys of thousands of homes heated by inefficient coal furnaces.

In Downtown Pittsburgh, street lights and headlights often burned at midday. Snow was blackened within hours. By noon the smoke had soiled a man's shirt collar or a woman's hose. Your curtains had to be laundered weekly and dried on a frame called a curtain stretcher. A smudge circled your nostrils; tissues were not yet available. Your lungs got black.

At a night football game at Geneva College's Reeves Field a high punt might disappear at the top of its arc in dust from the nearby Armstrong Cork Works.

You could get a haircut for 35 cents. Or go to the movies needing a haircut. If you had 35 cents.

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in his first inaugural address on March 4, 1933, tried to rally the country with the ringing declaration, "Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is ... fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning fear." Then he closed the banks for a few days to prevent a run on their deposits.

FDR launched a "New Deal" for the American people, which consisted of an alphabet soup of agencies and measures designed to restart the economy. There were the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), the Works Progress Administration (WPA), the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), the Social Security Administration (SSA) and the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA).

The union movement, gaining speed, used up more letters, with the SWOC (Steelworkers Organizing Committee), the CIO (Congress of Industrial Organizations), the AFL (American Federation of Labor) and the UAW (United Auto Workers).

Television was years away; radio was a godsend. FDR used it to boost morale with speeches and "fireside chats." Each evening Lowell Thomas gave 15 minutes of news and Amos 'n' Andy gave 15 minutes of fun. Bing Crosby and Russ Columbo were the romantic balladeers.

On a Sunday evening, families gathered around their radio sets, often large chunks of furniture three or four feet high. They sat looking at the radio, using their imaginations to picture the performers who tried to cheer them up. They listened to Jack Benny, Fred Allen, Eddie Cantor, Will Rogers and Joe Penner.

The movies provided a bit of hope. Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers danced. Clark Gable, Cary Grant, Robert Montgomery, Claudette Colbert and Irene Dunne planted the possibility of romance.

The literature of the time was uniformly somber. Among the best known were John Steinbeck's novels "The Grapes of Wrath," "Cannery Row" and "Of Mice and Men;" Maxwell Anderson's "Winterset;" Thornton Wilder's "Our Town," and William Faulkner's "As I Lay Dying" and "Absalom, Absalom." There was not a laugh in the lot. Labor strife compounded the general gloom.

In those days "the mall" was Main Street. On Saturday nights all the stores were open, but shopping was a charade. People looked wistfully at the window displays.

My Beaver Falls High School's midyear 1933 graduating class numbered 56. The commencement speaker, Dr. John Coleman, a political science professor at Geneva College, began with this lead-weighted sinker: "Tomorrow there will be 56 more unemployed on the streets of Beaver Falls."

I fooled him. With the help of my older siblings I scraped together the enormous sum of $100, a semester's tuition at Geneva College. I went up the street to the college and enrolled. That left only 55 more unemployed on the streets of Beaver Falls.

On St. Patrick's Day, March 17, 1936, Pittsburgh's three rivers administered a coup de grace. Ice gorges dammed the rivers to flood stage of 25 feet. By the next day they reached 46 feet. On Penn Avenue Downtown, the water was deep enough to cover a trolley car. Water and sludge surged into cities and towns down the Ohio River valley.

Roosevelt's New Deal was only moderately successful. The Supreme Court declared NIRA unconstitutional. FDR tried to pack the court to gain a favorable majority but was unsuccessful. By 1938 unemployment still was near 20 percent. This continued until the United States entered World War II in 1941, when the draft and enlistments drew 16 million men and women into the armed forces. Our industrial might became The Arsenal of Democracy.

There you have it, a snapshot of the Great Depression of the 1930s -- a time of misery, hopelessness and despair uncushioned, a decade of tears. We aren't even close to that yet, here in 2009.

Take the word of a survivor.

Read more: "Sunday Forum: Great Depression I" - http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09067/953743-109.stm#ixzz0HG3jk6Ea&A