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Title: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 19, 2021, 08:27:23 AM
Ugh...shit is fucked up.  I'm leaving work early
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 08:31:46 AM
If it’s hitting a stud like you this hard, can you imagine what it’s doing to the average person🤔
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 19, 2021, 08:45:11 AM
In a meeting right now at work but I'm ducking out this guy afterwards...to the couch....FUUUUUUUCCCKKKK
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on April 19, 2021, 08:46:30 AM
Ugh...shit is fucked up.  I'm leaving work early
Jackass  :D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 19, 2021, 08:49:09 AM
I got the first dose of Pfizer a week ago and felt totally fine
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 19, 2021, 08:50:20 AM
Ugh...shit is fucked up.  I'm leaving work early

Is it Pfizer or AstraZeneca?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 19, 2021, 09:08:07 AM
Is it Pfizer or AstraZeneca?

the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is not approved in the US so he likely got Moderna or Pfizer
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: ziballz on April 19, 2021, 09:16:56 AM
It's normal for some individuals to have a slightly heightened reaction to the vaccine


Don't go claiming reparations just yet.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: wes on April 19, 2021, 09:22:29 AM
I didn`t get the first dose.................... ....I feel fucking awesome.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 19, 2021, 09:40:22 AM
I didn`t get the first dose.................... ....I feel fucking awesome.
Me too.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 19, 2021, 09:44:09 AM
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Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: wes on April 19, 2021, 09:44:53 AM
;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 19, 2021, 10:00:12 AM
Is it Pfizer or AstraZeneca?

Moderna
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on April 19, 2021, 10:03:43 AM
I got the first dose of Pfizer a week ago and felt totally fine
no one gives a shit about you
hopefully it sterilized you. we do not need your kind again.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 19, 2021, 10:06:40 AM
Colleen Huber, NMD, February 21, 2021, updated March 23, 2021

https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine

Most of the links below are from medical journals, the FDA, CDC, and other entities that generally support vaccination, yet the information in this article shows how EXTREMELY RISKY the COVID-19 vaccines are.

Is the COVID vaccine experimental? Pfizer and Moderna make the COVID-19 vaccines in the US. The FDA granted “emergency use authorization” for these vaccines (herein “COVID injections,” because they are unlike conventional vaccines). Emergency use authorization is required by law to be made only if there are no effective treatments for COVID-19. 

But are there effective COVID-19 treatments? 100s of studies done around the world have established, and repeatedly confirmed, fast, effective, well-tolerated treatments for COVID-19 that are in widespread use. I briefly summarize them here.

General risk vs benefit An emergency experimental vaccine cannot be assumed to be safer than a virus with a very high survival rate, such as COVID-19.  The average survival rate for NO COVID treatment at all is 99.74%, and we have very successful treatments available, which should easily achieve universal survivability from COVID, if widely available. Where does 99.74% survival come from?  Dr. John Ioannidis is the most widely cited scientist in the world.  His estimate in June 2020 of a 0.26% infection fatality rate is now confirmed around the world. 100% - 0.26% = 99.74% average survival rate.

Does the COVID injection work? The COVID injection is not even known to stop the spread of COVID.  Dr. Larry Corey, who oversees National Institutes of Health COVID-19 vaccine trials said on 11/20/20: “The studies aren’t designed to assess transmission.  They don’t ask that question, and there’s really no information on this at this point in time.”  https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941388.

The FDA confirms that the 1st vaccine dose correlates with increased COVID-19 infections.  "Suspected COVID-19 cases that occurred within 7 days after any vaccination were 409 in the vaccine group vs 287 in the placebo group."  This data comes from Pfizer itself.  See p 42 of https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

​What happened to the animals in the studies?  This technology has been tried on animals, and in the animal studies done, all the animals died, not immediately from the injection, but months later, from other immune disorders, sepsis and/or cardiac failure.There has never been a long-term successful animal study using this technology. No experimental coronavirus vaccine has succeeded in animal studies. In this study, coronavirus vaccine caused liver inflammation in test animals.

Specific risks of COVID injections, in roughly chronological order of side-effect manifestation:

Polyethylene glycol (PEG) is one of the ingredients.  This has been correlated with anaphylactic shock.   So the CDC is now recommending intubation kits at vaccination sites.

​Cationic lipid coating of mRNA is known for many years to be toxic, because these (+) charged fats interact with the (–) charges on our amino acids, our cell membranes and the phosphates of our DNA.  Cationic lipids are attracted to and are destructive toward:

Lungs ,
Mitochondria,
red blood cells,
white blood cells,
Liver,
Immune and nervous systems function (This is the likely cause of the Bell’s Palsy and tremors that are seen in vaccine victims.)

mRNA:  Unlike a traditional vaccine, of injected, inactivated virus intended to stimulate antibody response, the COVID injection on the other hand is completely different in this respect.  It uses messenger RNA (mRNA), which is a blueprint for your cells to create COVID-like (spike) proteins.  Then your cells begin to make these COVID-like proteins.  However, those proteins, in turn, stimulate your body to make antibodies against them.  So now your body has been turned into a munitions factory for both sides of a war:  The bad guys (COVID-like spike proteins) and the good guys (the antibodies fighting against them).  However, before you pledge allegiance to the good guys, as you will see below, the good guys can be more lethal to the vaccinated person.

History of mRNA injections: This technology had disastrous results in dengue fever vaccines in the past.  Dengue vaccine is a mRNA vaccine.  When this was used in children in the Philippines, many vaccinated children had far worse outcomes than unvaccinated children when they were later exposed to dengue, and many died.  Prosecution for homicide resulted.  However, this had previously been known to happen with ferrets and with cats. In all cases, the vaccinated animal or human became more vulnerable to worse disease when confronted with it. It is expected that the relatively mild COVID-19 illness, with a survival rate of 99.74%, may reduce to a much lower survival rate and become a truly lethal disease in vaccinated people when they later become infected with it.  There are no peer-reviewed published human trials of mRNA vaccines at all, and no mRNA vaccine has ever been FDA approved. That’s how new the technology is.

mRNA can affect DNA.  One of the most worrisome risks with a mRNA vaccine is what can happen with reverse transcriptase.  This is an enzyme in every cell, and it can theoretically lead to the mRNA creating changes in the cells’ DNA, a process known as viral retro-integration. Although this possibility had been thought unlikely, MIT and Harvard scientists found it happened here. If some of the 30 trillion or so cells in your body become permanent COVID factories, what is the long-term impact on your health, and would you want that outcome?

Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) problem:   Prior attempts to create a coronavirus vaccine killed all the test animals, after they were later infected with wild virus.  Here’s what happened:  mRNA instructed the mammals’ cells to produce the spike proteins of the coronavirus.  Then, later, when the animals confronted the wild virus, the intense build-up of antibodies had been stockpiled, and their sudden and overwhelming release killed the test animal.  These risks have been documented in Nature, Science and Journal of Infectious Diseases.  Here’s a study from Nature on that.

ADE mechanism:  ADE is a form of pathogenic priming, meaning the vaccine can result in a more severe disease, which has been seen in prior attempts at making coronavirus vaccines.  The antibodies made can be neutralizing (which inactivate a virus, and that’s good), but antibodies are a problem when they are non-neutralizing, because then these antibodies carry active viruses directly to macrophages, which then become infected.  This is how ADE happens.

This antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) leads to:

increased viral replication (more viruses to make you sick); and more severe disease


ADE result: These macrophages tend to go to the lungs and fill the lungs, causing overwhelming inflammation and airway obstruction (as found later on autopsy).    However, the augmented antibodies also attack similar-looking proteins on internal organs, resulting in cytokine storm and death or auto-immune disease and organ failure.  “Cats that showed high titers following vaccination succumbed at later timepoints to fatal disease.”

What about miscarriages, and why have men been advised to freeze their sperm prior to getting the injection?  Both men and women are at risk for possibly permanent infertility, because the spike protein of a coronavirus “looks” to the immune system similar to Syncytin-1, an essential protein in the placenta.  This stimulates antibodies to fight the placenta, and possibly sperm.  Mid-term miscarriages, which are normally very rare, have occurred in women who have been vaccinated for COVID.  SARS-CoV-2 viral particles have been found to linger in the testicles of men after recovery from infection.

Why are COVID vaccinees MORE likely to spread COVID than the unvaccinated?  Virologist Geert Vanden Bossche PhD, who worked for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, recently warned the World Health Organization (WHO) that "We are currently turning vaccinees into carriers shedding infectious variants."

Why is it more dangerous to vaccinate against COVID-19 than other viruses?  Because COVID-19 virus uses the ACE-2 receptor to get into your endothelial cells, including those lining the blood vessels.  This creates an inflammatory reaction that the great majority (99.74%) have survived even without treatment, and even more who used known, effective treatments. (See page 1)   So if you have been exposed to the virus, and then get vaccinated, it is almost certain that the vaccine will cause new inflammation and damage to endothelial cells lining your blood vessels, and we have seen short-term abnormal blood clotting in people who have gotten the vaccine.  But the more likely problem is launching new disease in the blood vessels.  Dr. H Noorchashm MD, PhD says, “. . . the vaccine is almost certain to do damage to the vascular endothelium.” He explains here.

Israel is at this writing the most heavily COVID-vaccinated country in the world.  The findings of infectious disease experts are reported here, in which they determined, from the Israeli data, that the COVID injection causes:

" . . .mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly . . .”
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 19, 2021, 10:08:55 AM
mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are really ‘gene therapy’ and not vaccines

former professor at the University of Virginia’s school of medicine Dr. David Martin, Ph.D

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mrna-covid-19-vaccines-are-really-gene-therapy-and-not-vaccines-ethicist

“The problem is that in the case of Moderna and Pfizer, this is not a vaccine. This is gene therapy,” he continued. The Moderna and Pfizer creations send “a strand of synthetic RNA into the human being and is invoking within the human being the creation of the S1 spike protein, which is a pathogen.”

“This is not only not keeping you from getting sick, it’s making your body produce the thing that makes you sick,” Martin added.

The interviewer admitted that this description – that the injection makes one's body produce an effect that makes one sick – sounds somewhat similar to the effect of vaccines.

But Martin countered that it is “not at all” like a vaccine, since “a vaccine is supposed to trigger immunity. It’s not supposed to trigger you to make a toxin.”

“It’s not somewhat different. It’s not the same at all,” Martin explained. “It’s a means by which your body is conscripted to make the toxin that then allegedly your body somehow gets used to dealing with, but unlike a vaccine, which is to trigger the immune response, this is to trigger the creation of the toxin.”

Targeting the pharmaceutical companies behind the supposed vaccinations, Martin alleged that they have manipulated clinical trial methodology to push their “vaccines” through development and production.

“They (pharmaceutical companies) said they could not test for the existence or absence of the virus and they could not test for the transmissivity because they said it would be impractical. (lol) The companies themselves have admitted to every single thing I’m saying, but they are using the public manipulation of the word vaccine to co-opt the public into believing they’re getting a thing which they are not getting.”

Instead, Martin warns that an mRNA injection “is not going to stop you from getting coronavirus. It’s not going to stop you from getting sick. In fact, on the contrary, it will make you sick far more often than the virus itself.”

Martin presented data confirming his claim, noting that after receiving their second shot of the jab, “80 percent of people had one or more clinical presentations of COVID-19,” whereas “80 percent of people who have an infection according to RT-PCR have no symptoms at all.”

Explaining what the figures mean, he said that people “will get COVID-19 symptoms from getting the gene therapy passed off as a vaccine. You will get COVID symptoms from that 80 percent of the time. If you’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2 according to RT-PCR (positive PCR test), 80 percent of the time you will have no symptoms at all.”

Looking more closely at the claims emanating from the clinical trials, Martin questioned the integrity of companies developing mRNA “gene therapy technology.”

“A human being is going to be potentially exposed to unclassified, both short-term and long-term, risks of altering their RNA and DNA from exposure to this gene therapy,” Martin warned. Of the 40,000 participants in Moderna’s clinical trial, Martin noted that only a “few hundred people had a few days less severe symptoms with the gene therapy when compared to the other control group.”

Even this, he said, is unreliable information, as the pharmaceutical firms “separate out adverse events from actual COVID symptoms.” This allowed the companies to reclassify “a lot of what would have been considered to be COVID symptoms by calling them adverse events,” giving rise to “this ridiculous 90 percent plus effectiveness.”

“As a result of that, we have both a methodology problem, which by the way, has been criticized by a number of clinical scientists. The bigger problem is that they’re still not measuring viral susceptibility and viral transmission. Those are the two legs of the stool that is (sic) required for anyone to say that they are vaccinating a population for public health reasons.”

Martin advised that “this (gene therapy) is not a prophylactic, this is not helping us, we are being told to take a treatment for a disease we don’t have and most likely will not have.”
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 19, 2021, 10:12:05 AM
a sensible rabbi?

The following list was created by the Israeli rabbi Chananya Weissman.

31 Reasons Why I Won’t Take the Vaccine

1. It’s not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2. The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a vaccine when it is not one, with the intention of manipulating people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3. The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case. The establishment acknowledges this, and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “vaccines” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus that these injections do not even prevent.

4. I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus by strengthening my immune system naturally. In the event I catch a virus, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5. The establishment insists that this medical treatment is safe. They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate that it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6. The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued. Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7. Israel’s Prime Minister has openly admitted that the Israeli people are the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment. I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8. Israel agreed to share medical data of its citizens with a foreign drug company as a fundamental part of their agreement to receive this treatment. I never consented for my personal medical data to be shared with any such entity, nor was I even asked. I will not contribute to this sleazy enterprise.

9. The executives and board members at Pfizer are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances. They are claiming that they would consider it unfair to “cut the line”. This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination; if they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

10. The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern. Moreover, they laud Pfizer’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

11. Three facts that must be put together:

    Bill Gates is touting these vaccines as essential to the survival of the human race.
    Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”.
    Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected. No rush.

Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

12. The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment. The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

13. There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment. Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected), the media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

14. The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same. There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.
 
15. Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs. This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when truth and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

16. This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race.

17. It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race, and the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

18. Were they up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment. Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

19. The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this. They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

20. We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

21. The government has sealed their protocol related to the virus and treatments for THIRTY YEARS. This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe that everything is kosher about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health? The last time they did this was with the Yemenite Children Affair. If you’re not familiar with it, look it up. Now they’re pulling the same shtick. They didn’t fool me the first time, and they’re definitely not fooling me now.

22. The government can share our personal medical data with foreign corporations, but they won’t share their own protocol on the matter with us? I’m out.

23. The establishment has recruited doctors, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug. We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life.
This is horrific, disgusting, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Torah. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

24. I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them. On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the virus. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

25. The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known. Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

26. Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red flag continue to be bullied, censored, and punished. Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next guinea pig in their laboratory. I will not risk being the next “coincidence”.

27. Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it. Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks.

28. I am repulsed by the religious, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual.

29. My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives. Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

30. I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Torah and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line. I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which leads to the final reason which sums up why I will not get “vaccinated.”

31. The whole thing stinks.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 19, 2021, 10:12:12 AM
no one gives a shit about you
hopefully it sterilized you. we do not need your kind again.
He can't impregnate a man's butthole anyway.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 19, 2021, 10:17:12 AM


#31 sums up everything
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 10:23:37 AM
If ever there was something that should go viral. Makes you wonder about his background that he is so hip to the scam.


14. The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same. There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.
 
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 19, 2021, 10:24:11 AM
I didn`t get the first dose.................... ....I feel fucking awesome.


YES !!!!!111111!!!!!11111
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 19, 2021, 10:27:51 AM
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Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2021, 10:31:12 AM
I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit

I love you Vince, you know this, but all this advertisement that people do when getting the vaccine is becoming ridiculous.

It's as useful to me as someone saying, "Last night I had sex and used a condom"... Ok, good for you, but I couldn't care any less.

What I do care about is your well-being Vince. I don't want you to die or get sick from anything (including adverse effects from the COVID vaccine).

Keep in touch and let me know how you're holding up a month from now.

"1"
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: wes on April 19, 2021, 10:33:50 AM
I hope you feel better Vince.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: wes on April 19, 2021, 10:34:52 AM

YES !!!!!111111!!!!!11111
LOL   ;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: f450 on April 19, 2021, 11:08:55 AM
Congrats for volunteering as an unpaid labrat for the the most poorly researched and  fastest vaccine ever created in the history of the world. And for a disease that has a mortality rate of less than 1 percent no doubt. Just wow!
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 19, 2021, 11:16:35 AM
it will take a while for the vaccine to adjust to a kielbasa slinger's immune system.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 19, 2021, 11:16:40 AM
no one gives a shit about you
hopefully it sterilized you. we do not need your kind again.

you apparently gave a shit enough to reply...dumbass
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 19, 2021, 11:19:21 AM
I love you Vince, you know this, but all this advertisement that people do when getting the vaccine is becoming ridiculous.

It's as useful to me as someone saying, "Last night I had sex and used a condom"... Ok, good for you, but I couldn't care any less.

What I do care about is your well-being Vince. I don't want you to die or get sick from anything (including adverse effects from the COVID vaccine).

Keep in touch and let me know how you're holding up a month from now.

"1"


I'll be fine...I know it's a immuno response but it really triggered mine...going to hit the gym and sweat it off hopefully.  Cigar helped quite a bit
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 19, 2021, 11:22:05 AM
He can't impregnate a man's butthole anyway.

another GB closet case

btw - that's why I only fuck your mother in the ass

She knows she has inferior genes and doesn't want another idiot spawn like you

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on April 19, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
another GB closet case

btw - that's why I only fuck your mother in the ass

She knows she has inferior genes and doesn't want another idiot spawn like you
very weak bro.
Think about it now i bet you´re seedless now..... ;D  jokes on you moron.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Moderna

I felt a little funky the day after the first and second Moderna vaccine. You should be back to normal pretty quickly.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 19, 2021, 11:48:02 AM
What other than arm soreness?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 19, 2021, 12:02:05 PM
another GB closet case

btw - that's why I only fuck your mother in the ass

She knows she has inferior genes and doesn't want another idiot spawn like you
Did I touch a nerve?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 19, 2021, 12:03:33 PM
it will take a while for the vaccine to adjust to a kielbasa slinger's immune system.

Maybe he will mutate from it...




YIKES!




Say it ain't so!





TWO Kielbasas!
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: cobra333 on April 19, 2021, 12:06:42 PM
Anyone connected to the doctors and science people pass this onto them.    My mom got phizer shot monday she felt flue diarrhea cold sweats cough thought its just immune sys trying to fight vaccine nope 2 days later she went in for covid test. The test showed traces of covid in her system from the f.... Shot.  Fauci says no covid elements molecules nothing  in shot.  Than whats in the flu measles chicken pox shot vitamins and antibodies containing the virus.  Bs.  Boyz and  girlz bs
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: BB on April 19, 2021, 12:10:16 PM
Ugh...shit is fucked up.  I'm leaving work early

(https://www.quoteslyfe.com/images/collection3/quotations228/White-man-trying-to-kill-you-slow-228221.jpg).
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 19, 2021, 12:10:58 PM
Anyone connected to the doctors and science people pass this onto them.    My mom got phizer shot monday she felt flue diarrhea cold sweats cough thought its just immune sys trying to fight vaccine nope 2 days later she went in for covid test. The test showed traces of covid in her system from the f.... Shot.  Fauci says no covid elements molecules nothing  in shot.  Than whats in the flu measles chicken pox shot vitamins and antibodies containing the virus.  Bs.  Boyz and  girlz bs
There is no reason for a healthy person under 70 to get the shot.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: residue on April 19, 2021, 12:14:04 PM
.

old, obese and pre-existing heart conditions, you'll be alright
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: residue on April 19, 2021, 12:15:17 PM
There is no reason for a healthy person under 70 to get the shot.
isnt like 50% of america obese or overweight? not a lot of healthy folks around
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 19, 2021, 12:16:01 PM
There is no reason for a healthy person under 70 to get the shot.


^ this. Of course it also is a sign you are good little follower like Strawpussy.



Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 12:19:26 PM

I'll be fine...I know it's a immuno response but it really triggered mine...going to hit the gym and sweat it off hopefully.  Cigar helped quite a bit

Why would a cigar help? Because it relaxes you or calms your nerves? If that is the case, might your reaction to the vaccine be psychological as opposed to physical?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 19, 2021, 12:20:24 PM
isnt like 50% of america obese or overweight? not a lot of healthy folks around

MAybe this is a way for the US government to do a "Thanos" on the population?

Get rid of obese and ill people?

Imagine if they put some real nasty stuff in the vaccine so it would work quicker (you wont die in one day but it will gradually deteriorate you so it will take months just so nobody will be suspicious).


Perfect timing to get rid of sheep imo
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 12:23:19 PM
Congrats for volunteering as an unpaid labrat for the the most poorly researched and  fastest vaccine ever created in the history of the world. And for a disease that has a mortality rate of less than 1 percent no doubt. Just wow!

Top shelf post🍾🍾
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 19, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Have to agree with Thin Lizzy here
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 19, 2021, 12:31:14 PM
Why would a cigar help?

Nicotine, an α7-nACh receptor agonist, may boost the cholinergic anti-inflammatory pathway and hinder the uncontrolled overproduction of pro-inflammatory cytokines triggered by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which is understood to be the main pathway to poor outcomes and death in severe COVID-19.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33269148/
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 19, 2021, 12:41:23 PM
MAybe this is a way for the US government to do a "Thanos" on the population?

Get rid of obese and ill people?

Imagine if they put some real nasty stuff in the vaccine so it would work quicker (you wont die in one day but it will gradually deteriorate you so it will take months just so nobody will be suspicious).


Perfect timing to get rid of sheep imo



5G bloodstream nanobot delivery system of peace.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Van_Bilderass on April 19, 2021, 12:41:39 PM


It's as useful to me as someone saying, "Last night I had sex and used a condom"... Ok, good for you, but I couldn't care any less.


"1"

This is the perfect analogy, hadn't seen it before. Works for using masks too I think. Vaccine/masks/condom might protect us to a certain extent but what is lost? Hell, I know people who fuck thai hookers without a condom.

Thing is, I haven't made up my mind if I'm finally going to "have sex with a condom."
 :'(

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 19, 2021, 12:42:21 PM
Why would a cigar help? Because it relaxes you or calms your nerves? If that is the case, might your reaction to the vaccine be psychological as opposed to physical?


Oral fixation.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 19, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
Did I touch a nerve?

Nope

I've told you before that I don't give a shit if you're queer
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 19, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
Hell, I know people who fuck thai hookers without a condom.

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: ThisisOverload on April 19, 2021, 01:27:26 PM
I feel fantastic!

My friend was wrecked all weekend from his second "dose".

Hopefully you don't die.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: BB on April 19, 2021, 01:31:35 PM

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672080.0;attach=1302117;image)


Rumor has it, he went through 27 hookers in 24 hours and was still unsatisfied. Just an insatiable sexual appetite on the man.   
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Flexacon on April 19, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
Not having much of a reaction to this vaccine means your immune system probably isn't in perfect shape, so it's not something to be concerned about.

Anyway Vince made the smart call. Covid is a bit of a chubby chaser, so taking the vaccine had the lower risk factor. Good for you Vince.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
MAybe this is a way for the US government to do a "Thanos" on the population?

Get rid of obese and ill people?

Imagine if they put some real nasty stuff in the vaccine so it would work quicker (you wont die in one day but it will gradually deteriorate you so it will take months just so nobody will be suspicious).


Perfect timing to get rid of sheep imo

Why would anyone want to get rid of 'sheep'? Sheep are harmless. Sheep follow directions. Sheep produce (wool). Sheep tidy up the place (keep the grass clipped). All in all, sheep have great value whether they are just sheep or 'sheep' (the human variety). 
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Flexacon on April 19, 2021, 01:43:10 PM
Why would anyone want to get rid of 'sheep'? Sheep are harmless. Sheep follow directions. Sheep produce (wool). Sheep tidy up the place (keep the grass clipped). All in all, sheep have great value whether they are just sheep or 'sheep' (the human variety).

Yes. If there is an agenda then they'd want to take out the non-sheep
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: ThisisOverload on April 19, 2021, 01:47:36 PM
Yes. If there is an agenda then they'd want to take out the non-sheep

Depends on the agenda.

Many believe they are trying to severely reduce the population of the planet.

It's easier to kill off the sheep than the wolves.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 19, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Yes. If there is an agenda then they'd want to take out the non-sheep

What about those who identify as sheep?

So brave...
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 19, 2021, 01:49:22 PM
Depends on the agenda.

Many believe they are trying to severely reduce the population of the planet.

It's easier to kill off the sheep than the wolves.

But... but... then the wolves would starve to death  :'(


Yeah I know, stretching it too far  ;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 01:50:58 PM
Yes. If there is an agenda then they'd want to take out the non-sheep

What if that is what is really going on? Wouldn't it be ironic? It is kind of like reverse psychology. ;D

Not that I am one for believing in conspiracies. I'll leave that for the non-sheep.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 01:53:02 PM
Depends on the agenda.

Many believe they are trying to severely reduce the population of the planet.

It's easier to kill off the sheep than the wolves.

Who are the 'they' who is trying to reduce the population?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 19, 2021, 01:56:06 PM
Who are the 'they' who is trying to reduce the population?

The shepherds..?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: ThisisOverload on April 19, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
Who are the 'they' who is trying to reduce the population?

It's a conspiracy theory that the "powers that be" that control our planet are doing this.

I'm just stating it, i'm not one to believe in it.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 01:59:04 PM
It's a conspiracy theory that the "powers that be" that control our planet are doing this.

I'm just stating it, i'm not one to believe in it.

Good to know.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Flexacon on April 19, 2021, 02:02:14 PM
Depends on the agenda.

Many believe they are trying to severely reduce the population of the planet.

It's easier to kill off the sheep than the wolves.

Eliminating poverty/raising the standards of living is actually the easiest way to reduce the size of global population. That's definitely not happening.

Covid-19 was actually the perfect opportunity to lose some of the "dead weight" from the population. They decided not to take and instead fuck things up for a whole generation. Any "agenda" theories went out the window once that happened.

What they are doing however is trying to take advantage of the situation and push through policies and stuff that wouldn't have any chance of succeeding pre pandemic.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
I’ve been saying it for over a year, at its core it’s a currency devaluation scheme:



Global economic bailout is running at $19.5 trillion. It will go higher - CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/17/economy/global-economy-coronavirus-bailout-imf-annual-report/index.html
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 02:09:52 PM
Eliminating poverty/raising the standards of living is actually the easiest way to reduce the size of global population. That's definitely not happening.

Covid-19 was actually the perfect opportunity to lose some of the "dead weight" from the population. They decided not to take and instead fuck things up for a whole generation. Any "agenda" theories went out the window once that happened.

What they are doing however is trying to take advantage of the situation and push through policies and stuff that wouldn't have any chance of succeeding pre pandemic.

If this were made into a movie, who would be cast in the role(s) of 'they'?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 19, 2021, 02:23:52 PM
If this were made into a movie, who would be cast in the role(s) of 'they'?

Not sure, but let's hope the good guys don't run out of bubblegum!

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-6i-V51-w-Gg%2FV54m3yKsg9I%2FAAAAAAAAXAE%2FbIF3A8T9IMg3P_RdcI3YAfTGCwDZDXsCgCLcB%2Fs1600%2Froddy-piper-they-live.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: wes on April 19, 2021, 02:27:57 PM
Never had a flu shot in my life,  and at my age with lung problems this vaccine can suck my condomless cock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 19, 2021, 02:29:05 PM
This is the perfect analogy, hadn't seen it before. Works for using masks too I think. Vaccine/masks/condom might protect us to a certain extent but what is lost? Hell, I know people who fuck thai hookers without a condom.

Thing is, I haven't made up my mind if I'm finally going to "have sex with a condom."
 :'(


A condom actually works as high as 98% of the time. Masks work 0% of the time because the holes are 1000x bigger than the virus. Imagine if a condom had holes that big, lol.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 19, 2021, 02:29:40 PM
Not sure, but let's hope the good guys don't run out of bubblegum!

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-6i-V51-w-Gg%2FV54m3yKsg9I%2FAAAAAAAAXAE%2FbIF3A8T9IMg3P_RdcI3YAfTGCwDZDXsCgCLcB%2Fs1600%2Froddy-piper-they-live.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)


Top ten all time best movie lines!!
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 02:37:09 PM
Never had a flu shot in my life,  and at my age with lung problems this vaccine can suck my condomless cock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

I finally took my doctor's advice last summer and had my first flu shot. I've never had the flu. If I did, I didn't have the usual symptoms, upset stomach, aches, the chills and a fever. On the other hand, I started having an annual pneumonia shot more than a decade ago....have not gotten pneumonia since.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 02:40:10 PM
I finally took my doctor's advice last summer and had my first flu shot. I've never had the flu. If I did, I didn't have the usual symptoms, upset stomach, aches, the chills and a fever. On the other hand, I started having an annual pneumonia shot more than a decade ago....have not gotten pneumonia since.

How do you know that you would not have gotten pneumonia without the shots?

Your doctor egging you on to get a flu shot reminds me of a story of one of my friends elderly father who took a spill and had to be taken to the emergency room. I believe he was in his mid-70s at the time and when he was registering he was asked which prescription medications he was on. He responded that he wasn’t on any. They were shocked by this reply. They figured by the time a person is 75 big Pharma would’ve gotten him on a few drugs.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 02:43:40 PM


I keep asking who 'they' are. Now I know.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/1988They_Live_poster300.jpg)

...the ruling class are aliens concealing their appearance and manipulating people to consume, breed, and conform to the status quo via subliminal messages in mass media.

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Jizmonkey on April 19, 2021, 02:52:49 PM

A condom actually works as high as 98% of the time. Masks work 0% of the time because the holes are 1000x bigger than the virus. Imagine if a condom had holes that big, lol.
The virus travels in droplets that are big enough to get caught in the mask.

Ever been to a Hospital before? Do you think the surgeons wear masks for show?

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 02:57:07 PM
The virus travels in droplets that are big enough to get caught in the mask.

Ever been to a Hospital before? Do you think the surgeons wear masks for show?

They wear the masks primarily so food particles, spit, bits of skin and hair don’t get into the patients that they’re operating on.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: OneMoreRep on April 19, 2021, 03:04:29 PM
This is the perfect analogy, hadn't seen it before. Works for using masks too I think. Vaccine/masks/condom might protect us to a certain extent but what is lost? Hell, I know people who fuck thai hookers without a condom.

Thing is, I haven't made up my mind if I'm finally going to "have sex with a condom."
 :'(

Hahahaha!

"1"
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 03:06:45 PM

A condom actually works as high as 98% of the time. Masks work 0% of the time because the holes are 1000x bigger than the virus. Imagine if a condom had holes that big, lol.

Maybe we should all wear a giant condom over our heads.

(https://www.forfun.store/image/cache/catalog/01RUBBER/FF-RR051-B-550x688h.jpg)

This one is supposedly an actual condom
(https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/434/azure/dazed-prod/1150/0/1150643.jpg)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 19, 2021, 03:14:39 PM
The virus travels in droplets that are big enough to get caught in the mask.

Ever been to a Hospital before? Do you think the surgeons wear masks for show?


Uh no, not even remotely true, lol.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/


And yeah, I've been in a hospital, as well as a Holiday Inn Express.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: AbrahamG on April 19, 2021, 03:15:00 PM
I got the first dose of Pfizer a week ago and felt totally fine

Got mine two weeks ago along with my wife and son.  The injection site was barely even sore.  2nd dose next Monday.  Looking forward to May 10th.  By then I'll be as protected as I'm going to be.  Not going to act like a retard but plan on resuming as much a normal life as is currently possible.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 19, 2021, 03:15:39 PM
Maybe we should all wear a giant condom over our heads.

(https://www.forfun.store/image/cache/catalog/01RUBBER/FF-RR051-B-550x688h.jpg)

This one is supposedly an actual condom
(https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/434/azure/dazed-prod/1150/0/1150643.jpg)


Prime- not all of us are into Latex play, haha
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Van_Bilderass on April 19, 2021, 03:17:30 PM
The virus travels in droplets that are big enough to get caught in the mask.

Ever been to a Hospital before? Do you think the surgeons wear masks for show?



A condom actually works as high as 98% of the time. Masks work 0% of the time because the holes are 1000x bigger than the virus. Imagine if a condom had holes that big, lol.

I think it's conceivable that masks reduce transmission rates in certain situations. Could increase it too if it leads to less distancing. If masks are completely stupid I doubt we would see their use in high-IQ Asian societies. They have adopted them for a long time, first masks I saw in Sweden were by Asians.

But what is lost by a masked society? We lose a lot.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: AbrahamG on April 19, 2021, 03:18:20 PM
Why would a cigar help? Because it relaxes you or calms your nerves? If that is the case, might your reaction to the vaccine be psychological as opposed to physical?

He plunged the aforementioned cigar into his rectum.  Yes.  It relaxed him.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: joswift on April 19, 2021, 03:19:31 PM
I think it's conceivable that masks reduce transmission rates in certain situations. Could increase it too if it leads to less distancing. If masks are completely stupid I doubt we would see their use in high-IQ Asian societies. They have adopted them for a long time, first masks I saw in Sweden were by Asians.

But what is lost by a masked society? We lose a lot.

If anyone asks why Im not wearing a mask I tell them its because of the same reason I dont wear Clown Shoes...
They are uncomfortable and would make me look stupid.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 03:20:06 PM

Prime- not all of us are into Latex play, haha

Me neither. Imagine not being able to breathe? Being claustrophobic, if I tried this, I have a huge panic attack which would cause a heart attack and that would be that! No more Primemuscle.   :'(
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Van_Bilderass on April 19, 2021, 03:20:46 PM

Uh no, not even remotely true, lol.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/


And yeah, I've been in a hospital, as well as a Holiday Inn Express.

Say you had an old ailing parent. They had to go spend a few hours in a small room with 10 Covid positive persons. Either everyone was masked or none. Which would you choose?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 03:21:33 PM
He plunged the aforementioned cigar into his rectum.  Yes.  It relaxed him.

Hope he didn't light it because then it wouldn't be relaxing at all.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: joswift on April 19, 2021, 03:21:57 PM
Say you had an old ailing parent. They had to go spend a few hours in a small room with 10 Covid positive persons. Either everyone was masked or none. Which would you choose?
It would be my parents choice not mine...
If I was the ailing parent I wouldnt give a fuck either way.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
I think it's conceivable that masks reduce transmission rates in certain situations. Could increase it too if it leads to less distancing. If masks are completely stupid I doubt we would see their use in high-IQ Asian societies. They have adopted them for a long time, first masks I saw in Sweden were by Asians.

But what is lost by a masked society? We lose a lot.

What about for areas where there’s a lot of cigarette smoking?

Back in the day, when I did some bartending, smoking was still allowed in clubs and bars. My sinuses would be fucked up the next day from breathing in smoke all night.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: joswift on April 19, 2021, 03:24:50 PM
I think it's conceivable that masks reduce transmission rates in certain situations. Could increase it too if it leads to less distancing. If masks are completely stupid I doubt we would see their use in high-IQ Asian societies. They have adopted them for a long time, first masks I saw in Sweden were by Asians.

But what is lost by a masked society? We lose a lot.

Michael Jackson wore one everyone took the piss, Asians wear them because they are clever?

They wear them for pollution not viral infections.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 03:27:46 PM
Say you had an old ailing parent. They had to go spend a few hours in a small room with 10 Covid positive persons. Either everyone was masked or none. Which would you choose?

Depends on whether my old ailing parent also had COVID. In that case....no mask. Otherwise, everyone mask up. (If I had a living parent, they'd probably be close to or more than 100 years old)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Van_Bilderass on April 19, 2021, 03:29:59 PM
Michael Jackson wore one everyone took the piss, Asians wear them because they are clever?

They wear them for pollution not viral infections.

I'm pretty sure they mandated them during Covid. From what I read they stopped the mandates in China. I think they did against the SARS too. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The Chinese here only put them on against Covid. They heard this somewhere... the motherland. In fact the Chinese in the US were clearing the mask stocks and sending them to China.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: honest on April 19, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Just my two cents but at this stage I would avoid the RNA type technology and go with a traditional manufactured vaccine method which many of us have already received when we were immunised against measles smallpox, polio when we were born etc. Those traditional type vaccines are yet to be blamed for taking over the world. We have a choice and whilst I think the RNA will be safe, with other traditionally manufactured vaccines available we can sit back and see if there are any issues with the new technology.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: joswift on April 19, 2021, 03:38:27 PM
Just my two cents but at this stage I would avoid the RNA type technology and go with a traditional manufactured vaccine method which many of us have already received when we were immunised against measles smallpox, polio when we were born etc. Those traditional type vaccines are yet to be blamed for taking over the world. We have a choice and whilst I think the RNA will be safe, with other traditionally manufactured vaccines available we can sit back and see if there are any issues with the new technology.

I have a feeling that the next flu season will kill millions, and it will be people who have had the vaccine, it will make them hypersensitive to infection, a sort of anaphalaxis.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 03:42:54 PM
I have a feeling that the next flu season will kill millions, and it will be people who have had the vaccine, it will make them hypersensitive to infection, a sort of anaphalaxis.

Has anyone ever told you that you have a tendency to be negative?

One possible problem with your feeling is that COVID-19 is not a flu virus.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Flexacon on April 19, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
Michael Jackson wore one everyone took the piss, Asians wear them because they are clever?

They wear them for pollution not viral infections.


In some places like Japan, they'll wear a mask if they have a cold out of common courtesy.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 19, 2021, 04:09:49 PM
Say you had an old ailing parent. They had to go spend a few hours in a small room with 10 Covid positive persons. Either everyone was masked or none. Which would you choose?


Wouldn't fucking matter- mask or not- they don't work. Did you actually read the Stanford study? I doubt it.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 19, 2021, 04:18:40 PM
I think it's conceivable that masks reduce transmission rates in certain situations. Could increase it too if it leads to less distancing. If masks are completely stupid I doubt we would see their use in high-IQ Asian societies. They have adopted them for a long time, first masks I saw in Sweden were by Asians.

But what is lost by a masked society? We lose a lot.


Right.... I spent a lot of time in China/Malaysia/Taiwan and Korea, pre Covid. Some people wear masks, some don't. The number one reason is particulates. Ever been in Beijing during a smog event? You can wipe the fricking particles off your car window. This has absolutely nothing/nada/zip about disease transmission. lol


As for those "high IQ's" uhhh, nope. Most Asians are freaking retarded. I gave a talk at a Chinese aerospace consortium- room full of PhDs. The questions I got were on par with high schoolers. Most Asian tech is stolen from the US and elsewhere.


Probably the smartest people, on average, I have ever dealt with, are from Northern Europe. That includes Scandinavia, Finland, Germany. The farther south you go the dumber they get, haha. The Russians are notably a very brilliant group and I get along very well with them
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 04:26:27 PM

Wouldn't fucking matter- mask or not- they don't work. Did you actually read the Stanford study? I doubt it.

Are you referring to this study?

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html

Or...this one?

https://digitalmedic.stanford.edu/our-work/debunking-myths/

Maybe it is this article that refers to the Standford study, yet provides no links to it.

Maybe it is Baruch Vainshelboim's hypothesis regarding mask wearing.  Hypothesis: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 04:30:03 PM
Elton John in Tokyo 2001. They pan the crowd at ~1:30. I saw one woman wearing a mask:




Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 19, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/stanford-study-results-facemasks-ineffective-block-transmission-covid-19-actually-can-cause-health-deterioration-premature-death/?utm_source=Parler&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 19, 2021, 04:32:52 PM
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Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 04:48:53 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/stanford-study-results-facemasks-ineffective-block-transmission-covid-19-actually-can-cause-health-deterioration-premature-death/?utm_source=Parler&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Median age in NYC - 35:

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 19, 2021, 04:50:42 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/stanford-study-results-facemasks-ineffective-block-transmission-covid-19-actually-can-cause-health-deterioration-premature-death/?utm_source=Parler&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
I believe this is the 'Stanford Study' the Gateway  Pundit is referring to, which isn't exactly what it is purported to be:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

Baruch Vainshelboim's hypothesis regarding mask wearing.  Hypothesis: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: residue on April 19, 2021, 05:04:32 PM
I have a feeling that the next flu season will kill millions, and it will be people who have had the vaccine, it will make them hypersensitive to infection, a sort of anaphalaxis.
A feeling based off of?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: LittleJ on April 19, 2021, 05:05:29 PM
The muscle/joint pain was horrible. It will come in the next couple of days. I doubt you will enjoy working out. You might want to take at least a week off.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 19, 2021, 05:32:38 PM
I believe this is the 'Stanford Study' the Gateway  Pundit is referring to, which isn't exactly what it is purported to be:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

Baruch Vainshelboim's hypothesis regarding mask wearing.  Hypothesis: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

I’ll go with gateway, the studies I’ve read and my gut by saying masks are complete bullshit, ineffective and dangerous. Although no study is conclusive (as Fraudci has proven daily since day one) saying “masks” are bs is pretty damn conclusive.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 19, 2021, 05:36:08 PM
I’ll go with gateway, the studies I’ve read and my gut by saying masks are complete bullshit, ineffective and dangerous. Although no study is conclusive (as Fraudci has proven daily since day one) saying “masks” are bs is pretty damn conclusive.


Prime is full of shit, as usual. The conclusion of the study is pretty damning. But like all things with the left, it's a fucking religion now, lol


The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 19, 2021, 05:57:22 PM

Prime is full of shit, as usual. The conclusion of the study is pretty damning. But like all things with the left, it's a fucking religion now, lol


The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.

Thank you!!!!
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2021, 06:03:02 PM
Not to mention that masks have been worn for specific situations and not meant to be used for every day life when people are constantly adjusting them taking them off putting their fingers on them and putting them in their pockets.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 19, 2021, 06:08:15 PM
(http://www.dissidentmama.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/91811701_630032881177288_6015902009369034752_n.jpg)

It could be a case of putting these immunocompromised individuals in camps to protect themselves and everyone else.

how come so many have so little trust in the authorities
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 19, 2021, 06:21:47 PM
as usual, you can often find studies that support or reject your preferred point of view

If masks didn't offer some level of protection then why would healthcare workers all over the world be using them?  It's just common sense that some level of covering of your nose and mouth will prevent some amount of particles from being spread through the air

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 19, 2021, 06:33:40 PM
If this was a pandemic they wouldn't be letting people put PIN #s in uncovered keypads at every point of purchase in the world. It's a joke.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Cableguy on April 19, 2021, 06:37:02 PM
Pfizer, both doses. No problems from either.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Fortress on April 19, 2021, 06:40:22 PM
I find people who yap about their excitement to be fully gene-therapy-ed (“vaccinated”, lol) extremely interesting.

In consideration of just how weak and fearful they must actually be.

Since Day One of this thing I have had essentially zero fear of the weak-ass virus.

 

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 19, 2021, 06:40:52 PM
If this was a pandemic they wouldn't be letting people put PIN #s in uncovered keypads at every point of purchase in the world. It's a joke.

transmission via surfaces is very low

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Fortress on April 19, 2021, 06:41:49 PM
Congrats for volunteering as an unpaid labrat for the the most poorly researched and  fastest vaccine ever created in the history of the world. And for a disease that has a mortality rate of less than 1 percent no doubt. Just wow!

Perfectly stated.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 19, 2021, 06:43:51 PM
I think the RNA will be safe

i'm sure you're right.. what could possibly go wrong

Colleen Huber, NMD, February 21, 2021, updated March 23, 2021

https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine

​What happened to the animals in the studies?  This technology has been tried on animals, and in the animal studies done, all the animals died, not immediately from the injection, but months later, from other immune disorders, sepsis and/or cardiac failure.There has never been a long-term successful animal study using this technology. No experimental coronavirus vaccine has succeeded in animal studies.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 19, 2021, 06:44:41 PM
transmission via surfaces is very low

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4


Ok, some logic there... What about masks everyone is wearing not being able to filter the virus particles then? Why bother?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 19, 2021, 06:59:19 PM

Ok, some logic there... What about masks everyone is wearing not being able to filter the virus particles then? Why bother?

all masks might not filter out all particles but they filter out many/most depending on the type of mask

same reason that not everyone who wears a seatbelt or has an airbag is 100% safe in a car crash

They just lower the risk.  They don't eliminate it

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Abelard Lindsey on April 19, 2021, 06:59:42 PM
Karl Denninger (market-ticker.org) has lots to say about these vaccines:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241875

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242106
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: AbrahamG on April 19, 2021, 09:54:23 PM
all masks might not filter out all particles but they filter out many/most depending on the type of mask

same reason that not everyone who wears a seatbelt or has an airbag is 100% safe in a car crash

They just lower the risk.  They don't eliminate it

Mask/Vaccine = Seatbelt/Airbag.  Heard this analogy from Chris Rhino RINO Christy
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 19, 2021, 10:02:52 PM
Simple common sense

https://rumble.com/vez4hd-gyms-are-back-open-but-theres-a-catch-a-rant.html
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 20, 2021, 02:37:39 AM
Mask/Vaccine = Seatbelt/Airbag.  Heard this analogy from Chris Rhino RINO Christy

So we’re comparing a high speed car crash to a flu bug with a 99.9 survival rate if you’re not a fat slob like Christy?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Matt on April 20, 2021, 03:28:55 AM
all masks might not filter out all particles but they filter out many/most depending on the type of mask

same reason that not everyone who wears a seatbelt or has an airbag is 100% safe in a car crash

They just lower the risk.  They don't eliminate it

Masks reduce the droplet size of expelled air. That doesn't prevent transmission of a virus if a person doesn't have the virus. Asymptotic spread of Covid-19, while possible, reflects under 2% of its spread. By and large, the virus is spread by people who have symptoms.

Put another way:

Your type of thinking may cause more harm than good - because it makes people think that they are invincible because they are wearing a mask, and the focus becomes shaming perfectly healthy people who are not sick, simply for existing and breathing oxygen. Meanwhile, people with no symptoms of sickness are spreading a miniscule amount of virus, as said above.

If we bothered to look at the actual data, and stopped telling people scientifically illiterate things like "COVID doesn't discriminate", we could be telling people the truth: that COVID is 2,807 times more likely to kill someone over 80, then under 40.

Then we could target healthcare resources and other effort into protecting those actually likely to die of the virus. Instead, parroting a bunch of garbage about extremely rare "asymptotic carriers" is probably part of the reason why in Ontario, 69% of all COVID deaths were in long-term care homes alone.

Just over 90% of deaths here have been people over 70.

As of Boxing Day, 12-26-2020, there were a total of 201 people in Ontario under the age of 60, out of a population of over 11 million in that age range.

189 of those people had underlying health conditions.

So my entire province remains on mass house arrest for a virus that had killed 12 people out of almost 12 million people in that age range.

All the while, people like you emphasize wearing masks, rather than discussing this pandemic with a realistic sense of proportion to who is at risk of dying from it. This is leading to absurd levels of fear and paranoia about COVID borne on all people, when COVID is more deadly to people under 70 than the normal flu is.

By encouraging masking, you're literally creating a cult of people not focusing on what we actually do know about the virus making the mass consciousness surrounding COVID be about masks and hand sanitizing, and stressing out people at no risk of dying of the virus, when we should be focusing the overwhelming majority of our efforts helping the elderly directly. We are still treating COVID as a virus that doesn't discriminate, when very clearly, it does.

I think something like two children in Canada have died of COVID, yet we've had kids in school wearing masks rather than breathing oxygen for the past year.

I would call that child abuse. Even treasonous.

So I'd say your mask use is actually worse than useless.

Out of curiosity, has the fact that you don't personally know one single person in your age group who has died of COVID given you any pause for thought at all?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on April 20, 2021, 04:19:21 AM
My sperm is very low

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
;D hopefully you are now shooting blanks . Jackass !
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 20, 2021, 04:22:45 AM
Masks reduce the droplet size of expelled air. That doesn't prevent transmission of a virus if a person doesn't have the virus. Asymptotic spread of Covid-19, while possible, reflects under 2% of its spread. By and large, the virus is spread by people who have symptoms.

Put another way:

Your type of thinking may cause more harm than good - because it makes people think that they are invincible because they are wearing a mask, and the focus becomes shaming perfectly healthy people who are not sick, simply for existing and breathing oxygen. Meanwhile, people with no symptoms of sickness are spreading a miniscule amount of virus, as said above.

If we bothered to look at the actual data, and stopped telling people scientifically illiterate things like "COVID doesn't discriminate", we could be telling people the truth: that COVID is 2,807 times more likely to kill someone over 80, then under 40.

Then we could target healthcare resources and other effort into protecting those actually likely to die of the virus. Instead, parroting a bunch of garbage about extremely rare "asymptotic carriers" is probably part of the reason why in Ontario, 69% of all COVID deaths were in long-term care homes alone.

Just over 90% of deaths here have been people over 70.

As of Boxing Day, 12-26-2020, there were a total of 201 people in Ontario under the age of 60, out of a population of over 11 million in that age range.

189 of those people had underlying health conditions.

So my entire province remains on mass house arrest for a virus that had killed 12 people out of almost 12 million people in that age range.

All the while, people like you emphasize wearing masks, rather than discussing this pandemic with a realistic sense of proportion to who is at risk of dying from it. This is leading to absurd levels of fear and paranoia about COVID borne on all people, when COVID is more deadly to people under 70 than the normal flu is.

By encouraging masking, you're literally creating a cult of people not focusing on what we actually do know about the virus making the mass consciousness surrounding COVID be about masks and hand sanitizing, and stressing out people at no risk of dying of the virus, when we should be focusing the overwhelming majority of our efforts helping the elderly directly. We are still treating COVID as a virus that doesn't discriminate, when very clearly, it does.

I think something like two children in Canada have died of COVID, yet we've had kids in school wearing masks rather than breathing oxygen for the past year.

I would call that child abuse. Even treasonous.

So I'd say your mask use is actually worse than useless.

Out of curiosity, has the fact that you don't personally know one single person in your age group who has died of COVID given you any pause for thought at all?

Spot on. 
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Fortress on April 20, 2021, 04:56:17 AM
Masks reduce the droplet size of expelled air. That doesn't prevent transmission of a virus if a person doesn't have the virus. Asymptotic spread of Covid-19, while possible, reflects under 2% of its spread. By and large, the virus is spread by people who have symptoms.

Put another way:

Your type of thinking may cause more harm than good - because it makes people think that they are invincible because they are wearing a mask, and the focus becomes shaming perfectly healthy people who are not sick, simply for existing and breathing oxygen. Meanwhile, people with no symptoms of sickness are spreading a miniscule amount of virus, as said above.

If we bothered to look at the actual data, and stopped telling people scientifically illiterate things like "COVID doesn't discriminate", we could be telling people the truth: that COVID is 2,807 times more likely to kill someone over 80, then under 40.

Then we could target healthcare resources and other effort into protecting those actually likely to die of the virus. Instead, parroting a bunch of garbage about extremely rare "asymptotic carriers" is probably part of the reason why in Ontario, 69% of all COVID deaths were in long-term care homes alone.

Just over 90% of deaths here have been people over 70.

As of Boxing Day, 12-26-2020, there were a total of 201 people in Ontario under the age of 60, out of a population of over 11 million in that age range.

189 of those people had underlying health conditions.

So my entire province remains on mass house arrest for a virus that had killed 12 people out of almost 12 million people in that age range.

All the while, people like you emphasize wearing masks, rather than discussing this pandemic with a realistic sense of proportion to who is at risk of dying from it. This is leading to absurd levels of fear and paranoia about COVID borne on all people, when COVID is more deadly to people under 70 than the normal flu is.

By encouraging masking, you're literally creating a cult of people not focusing on what we actually do know about the virus making the mass consciousness surrounding COVID be about masks and hand sanitizing, and stressing out people at no risk of dying of the virus, when we should be focusing the overwhelming majority of our efforts helping the elderly directly. We are still treating COVID as a virus that doesn't discriminate, when very clearly, it does.

I think something like two children in Canada have died of COVID, yet we've had kids in school wearing masks rather than breathing oxygen for the past year.

I would call that child abuse. Even treasonous.

So I'd say your mask use is actually worse than useless.

Out of curiosity, has the fact that you don't personally know one single person in your age group who has died of COVID given you any pause for thought at all?

Hard truths. Bravo.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 20, 2021, 05:01:42 AM
Definitely one of Matt’s best.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 20, 2021, 05:58:47 AM
Masks reduce the droplet size of expelled air. That doesn't prevent transmission of a virus if a person doesn't have the virus. Asymptotic spread of Covid-19, while possible, reflects under 2% of its spread. By and large, the virus is spread by people who have symptoms.

Put another way:

Your type of thinking may cause more harm than good - because it makes people think that they are invincible because they are wearing a mask, and the focus becomes shaming perfectly healthy people who are not sick, simply for existing and breathing oxygen. Meanwhile, people with no symptoms of sickness are spreading a miniscule amount of virus, as said above.

If we bothered to look at the actual data, and stopped telling people scientifically illiterate things like "COVID doesn't discriminate", we could be telling people the truth: that COVID is 2,807 times more likely to kill someone over 80, then under 40.

Then we could target healthcare resources and other effort into protecting those actually likely to die of the virus. Instead, parroting a bunch of garbage about extremely rare "asymptotic carriers" is probably part of the reason why in Ontario, 69% of all COVID deaths were in long-term care homes alone.

Just over 90% of deaths here have been people over 70.

As of Boxing Day, 12-26-2020, there were a total of 201 people in Ontario under the age of 60, out of a population of over 11 million in that age range.

189 of those people had underlying health conditions.

So my entire province remains on mass house arrest for a virus that had killed 12 people out of almost 12 million people in that age range.

All the while, people like you emphasize wearing masks, rather than discussing this pandemic with a realistic sense of proportion to who is at risk of dying from it. This is leading to absurd levels of fear and paranoia about COVID borne on all people, when COVID is more deadly to people under 70 than the normal flu is.

By encouraging masking, you're literally creating a cult of people not focusing on what we actually do know about the virus making the mass consciousness surrounding COVID be about masks and hand sanitizing, and stressing out people at no risk of dying of the virus, when we should be focusing the overwhelming majority of our efforts helping the elderly directly. We are still treating COVID as a virus that doesn't discriminate, when very clearly, it does.

I think something like two children in Canada have died of COVID, yet we've had kids in school wearing masks rather than breathing oxygen for the past year.

I would call that child abuse. Even treasonous.

So I'd say your mask use is actually worse than useless.

Out of curiosity, has the fact that you don't personally know one single person in your age group who has died of COVID given you any pause for thought at all?

This!

Good one Matthew!
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: falco on April 20, 2021, 07:19:35 AM
Old on tight Vince.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 20, 2021, 08:47:56 AM
Another thing I’ve noticed is that there’s been very little give a shit  about the possible effects of this vaccine to people who are already on other prescription drugs. How do they know what the adverse reactions are going to be?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: tommywishbone on April 20, 2021, 08:53:56 AM
I'm the devil's advocate.  I say, 'he knew the risk. He took the gamble. I say let him die.'
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Flexacon on April 20, 2021, 10:05:32 AM
I'm the devil's advocate.  I say, 'he knew the risk. He took the gamble. I say let him die.'

Vince is like a cockroach. Almost impossible' to kill.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 20, 2021, 10:53:36 AM
Vince is like a cockroach. Almost impossible' to kill.

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 20, 2021, 11:30:51 AM
I finally took my doctor's advice last summer and had my first flu shot. I've never had the flu. If I did, I didn't have the usual symptoms, upset stomach, aches, the chills and a fever. On the other hand, I started having an annual pneumonia shot more than a decade ago....have not gotten pneumonia since.

Hmmm... reminds me of something




Elton John in Tokyo 2001. They pan the crowd at ~1:30. I saw one woman wearing a mask:



Yeh but that was just to stop her catching his AIDS once he started shout-singing

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 20, 2021, 11:35:21 AM
Hmmm... reminds me of something




Yeh but that was just to stop her catching his AIDS once he started shout-singing

Actually, Elton John is an example of AIDS being a fraud as well. How the fuck is he still alive?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 20, 2021, 11:44:58 AM
lol - Strawman and Vince will have something in common:


https://academic.oup.com/rheumatology/advance-article/doi/10.1093/rheumatology/keab345/6225015?searchresult=1 (https://academic.oup.com/rheumatology/advance-article/doi/10.1093/rheumatology/keab345/6225015?searchresult=1)


https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/herpes-infection-possibly-linked-to-covid-19-vaccine/ (http://https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/herpes-infection-possibly-linked-to-covid-19-vaccine/)



Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 20, 2021, 12:28:48 PM
I’ll go with gateway, the studies I’ve read and my gut by saying masks are complete bullshit, ineffective and dangerous. Although no study is conclusive (as Fraudci has proven daily since day one) saying “masks” are bs is pretty damn conclusive.

It is wise to go with your gut feelings. While doing so is not very scientific, extensive  research isn't necessary in order to reach the conclusion you desire. And if your gut lied to you, so what? Nobody will care except maybe you.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Megalodon on April 20, 2021, 12:56:33 PM
Masks reduce the droplet size of expelled air. That doesn't prevent transmission of a virus if a person doesn't have the virus. Asymptotic spread of Covid-19, while possible, reflects under 2% of its spread. By and large, the virus is spread by people who have symptoms.

Put another way:

Your type of thinking may cause more harm than good - because it makes people think that they are invincible because they are wearing a mask, and the focus becomes shaming perfectly healthy people who are not sick, simply for existing and breathing oxygen. Meanwhile, people with no symptoms of sickness are spreading a miniscule amount of virus, as said above.

If we bothered to look at the actual data, and stopped telling people scientifically illiterate things like "COVID doesn't discriminate", we could be telling people the truth: that COVID is 2,807 times more likely to kill someone over 80, then under 40.

Then we could target healthcare resources and other effort into protecting those actually likely to die of the virus. Instead, parroting a bunch of garbage about extremely rare "asymptotic carriers" is probably part of the reason why in Ontario, 69% of all COVID deaths were in long-term care homes alone.

Just over 90% of deaths here have been people over 70.

As of Boxing Day, 12-26-2020, there were a total of 201 people in Ontario under the age of 60, out of a population of over 11 million in that age range.

189 of those people had underlying health conditions.

So my entire province remains on mass house arrest for a virus that had killed 12 people out of almost 12 million people in that age range.

All the while, people like you emphasize wearing masks, rather than discussing this pandemic with a realistic sense of proportion to who is at risk of dying from it. This is leading to absurd levels of fear and paranoia about COVID borne on all people, when COVID is more deadly to people under 70 than the normal flu is.

By encouraging masking, you're literally creating a cult of people not focusing on what we actually do know about the virus making the mass consciousness surrounding COVID be about masks and hand sanitizing, and stressing out people at no risk of dying of the virus, when we should be focusing the overwhelming majority of our efforts helping the elderly directly. We are still treating COVID as a virus that doesn't discriminate, when very clearly, it does.

I think something like two children in Canada have died of COVID, yet we've had kids in school wearing masks rather than breathing oxygen for the past year.

I would call that child abuse. Even treasonous.

So I'd say your mask use is actually worse than useless.

Out of curiosity, has the fact that you don't personally know one single person in your age group who has died of COVID given you any pause for thought at all?

All good points.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Jizmonkey on April 20, 2021, 01:27:09 PM

Uh no, not even remotely true, lol.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/


And yeah, I've been in a hospital, as well as a Holiday Inn Express.

Yeah it’s true. But nice HYPOTHESIS in the link.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 20, 2021, 02:46:59 PM
Actually, Elton John is an example of AIDS being a fraud as well. How the fuck is he still alive?

High levels of liquid protein - straight from the tap
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: DanielPaul on April 20, 2021, 04:35:22 PM
Mederna second dose fucked me up for 12 hours, not the worst I ever felt but damn sure not good.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 20, 2021, 04:43:49 PM
Mederna second dose fucked me up for 12 hours, not the worst I ever felt but damn sure not good.

This is what I’ve been hearing.

People feel like shit the next day.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: el numero uno on April 20, 2021, 04:54:36 PM
I took an influenza shot yesterday and today I've had a little bit of a headache. I can't be 100% the headache is related to the vaccine, but probably is. Most (if not all?) vaccines cause some kind of reaction.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 20, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
Most (if not all?) vaccines cause some kind of reaction.

I've heard the same about fraudulent, unapproved, experimental gene therapy based on lab created bio weapons.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: el numero uno on April 20, 2021, 05:11:30 PM
I've heard the same about fraudulent, unapproved, experimental gene therapy based on lab created bio weapons.

Vince must be growing an eye on his arm by now.

(https://puregaming.es/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/william-birkin-primera-forma-resident-evil-2-remake.jpg)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Walter Sobchak on April 20, 2021, 05:13:15 PM
There is absolutely no way any virus on earth, or any virus in at least the 3 closest galaxies, can hurt a supreme being like Melvin Goodrum.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Fortress on April 20, 2021, 05:17:13 PM
I've heard the same about fraudulent, unapproved, experimental gene therapy based on lab created bio weapons.

 ;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Marty Champions on April 20, 2021, 05:26:19 PM
Hopfuwy mel and tim wascock have a sweet baby
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: tommywishbone on April 20, 2021, 05:57:03 PM
 There are actually a large number of people who were scared so badly by all the bullshit they are obtaining fake ID's and getting multiply vaccinations of all the different vaccines.

Their fear is just stunning. They think by getting 4-6 doses of each different product that they will then be better protected against the virus.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 20, 2021, 05:59:26 PM
There are actually a large number of people who were scared so badly by all the bullshit they are obtaining fake ID's and getting multiply vaccinations of all the different vaccines.

Their fear is just stunning. They think by getting 4-6 doses of each different product that they will then be better protected against the virus.


We now can see how Germany went Nazi. The majority of people are obedient little lambs.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 20, 2021, 06:04:11 PM

We now can see how Germany went Nazi. The majority of people are obedient little lambs.

And this:
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: obsidian on April 20, 2021, 06:38:57 PM
RIP Vince PHD BSC MPA!
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 20, 2021, 06:44:37 PM
There are actually a large number of people who were scared so badly by all the bullshit they are obtaining fake ID's and getting multiply vaccinations of all the different vaccines.

Their fear is just stunning. They think by getting 4-6 doses of each different product that they will then be better protected against the virus.

They’re the same people who believe George Floyd was the salt of the earth.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: AbrahamG on April 20, 2021, 06:50:56 PM
There are actually a large number of people who were scared so badly by all the bullshit they are obtaining fake ID's and getting multiply vaccinations of all the different vaccines.

Their fear is just stunning. They think by getting 4-6 doses of each different product that they will then be better protected against the virus.

Horse shit.  This is your new "voter fraud".
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Fortress on April 20, 2021, 07:09:28 PM
Horse shit. This is your new "voter fraud".

You really are naive and ignorant about the human species if you believe it’s “horseshit”.

The average person is quite ridiculous.

And all those less-than-average folks are plain retarded.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: tommywishbone on April 20, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
Horse shit.  This is your new "voter fraud".

No sir. We have all seen many many people driving around in their cars ALL ALONE AND WEARING A MASK. Those people have been scared beyond belief. Those are the exact people obtaining fake ID's to obtain multiple vaccine injections.

Fear will make you do anything.

Cowards.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: AbrahamG on April 20, 2021, 08:18:39 PM
Double Vaxxers = Voter Fraud
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 21, 2021, 08:22:42 PM
Three doses....you have been warned.


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Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 21, 2021, 09:19:50 PM
You really are naive and ignorant about the human species if you believe it’s “horseshit”.

The average person is quite ridiculous.

And all those less-than-average folks are plain retarded.

you're solidly in that category
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: joswift on April 21, 2021, 10:33:51 PM
You really are naive and ignorant about the human species if you believe it’s “horseshit”.

The average person is quite ridiculous.

And all those less-than-average folks are plain retarded.
Most people are stupid, and a lot of them are even more stupid than that.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 22, 2021, 12:59:11 AM
How do you feel today Goodrum?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on April 22, 2021, 02:50:47 AM
you're solidly in that category

you seedless Jaffa ..fuck off  jackass  :D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Phantom Spunker on April 22, 2021, 03:30:34 AM
How do you feel today Goodrum?

Lethargic. Zero motivation. Extremely hungry. Weak. Can't be bothered to go to the gym. Can't be bothered to close down the YouTube tab and do work. basically, he's back to normal.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 22, 2021, 04:56:18 AM
Lethargic. Zero motivation. Extremely hungry. Weak. Can't be bothered to go to the gym. Can't be bothered to close down the YouTube tab and do work. basically, he's back to normal.

😂😂😂
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 22, 2021, 05:00:03 AM
No sir. We have all seen many many people driving around in their cars ALL ALONE AND WEARING A MASK. Those people have been scared beyond belief. Those are the exact people obtaining fake ID's to obtain multiple vaccine injections.

Fear will make you do anything.

Cowards.

It’s all fake. The times knows the mask mandates are coming to an end and are front running it with this type of story .

Do We Still Need to Keep Wearing Masks Outdoors?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/well/live/covid-masks-outdoors.html
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: joswift on April 22, 2021, 05:02:32 AM
just seen a girl about 20 in full bike riding kit on the train , she pulled her mask over her face after taking a huge breath of air when she saw me walking towards her down the train.

Yep, irrationally terrified, thats not going away any time soon
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 22, 2021, 05:32:11 AM
just seen a girl about 20 in full bike riding kit on the train , she pulled her mask over her face after taking a huge breath of air when she saw me walking towards her down the train.

Yep, irrationally terrified, thats not going away any time soon

You can’t really blame them. Imagine being completely naive to what’s going on and then have to listen to the media and the government non stop day after day for the past year.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2021, 05:36:07 AM
It’s all fake. The times knows the mask mandates are coming to an end and are front running it with this type of story .

Do We Still Need to Keep Wearing Masks Outdoors?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/well/live/covid-masks-outdoors.html

You should see what it looks like where I live - literally 4/5 of people OUTSIDE wearing face condoms. 
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 22, 2021, 05:51:40 AM
You should see what it looks like where I live - literally 4/5 of people OUTSIDE wearing face condoms.


Where I am, it’s theater of the absurd. There are lots of restaurants, so you see groups of people sitting inside and outside not wearing masks but the people walking by are wearing masks.

This is why I know it’s winding down. Even the true believers have to see this and know it’s ridiculous.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Grape Ape on April 22, 2021, 06:19:12 AM
just seen a girl about 20 in full bike riding kit on the train , she pulled her mask over her face after taking a huge breath of air when she saw me walking towards her down the train.


Had you showered recently?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 22, 2021, 06:27:09 AM
just seen a girl about 20 in full bike riding kit on the train , she pulled her mask over her face after taking a huge breath of air when she saw me walking towards her down the train.

Yep, irrationally terrified, thats not going away any time soon

Can't really blame them.

When they see Mighty Jeffrey they get scared!  :D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 22, 2021, 08:22:37 AM
just seen a girl about 20 in full bike riding kit on the train , she pulled her mask over her face after taking a huge breath of air when she saw me walking towards her down the train.

Did you have your shirt off?  :D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 22, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
Did you have your shirt off?  :D
(https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Laughing-GIF-Image-for-Whatsapp-and-Facebook-1.gif)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: joswift on April 22, 2021, 08:54:02 AM
Did you have your shirt off?  :D

Just short sleeves....thats more than enough.  ;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on April 22, 2021, 08:54:24 AM
just seen a girl about 20 in full bike riding kit on the train , she pulled her mask over her face after taking a huge breath of air when she saw me walking towards her down the train.

Yep, irrationally terrified, thats not going away any time soon
was not a mask it was a sick bag..you jackass !  :D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 22, 2021, 01:29:53 PM
you seedless Jaffa ..fuck off  jackass  :D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 22, 2021, 01:55:36 PM
There are actually a large number of people who were scared so badly by all the bullshit they are obtaining fake ID's and getting multiply vaccinations of all the different vaccines.

Their fear is just stunning. They think by getting 4-6 doses of each different product that they will then be better protected against the virus.

Stupidity all around. These are people who take advice from no one.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: kreator on April 22, 2021, 02:08:58 PM
Are u guys surprised that the getbiggers who have been made fun of all these years are getting vaccinated? It’s no coincidence
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Flexacon on April 22, 2021, 02:50:03 PM
Are u guys surprised that the getbiggers who have been made fun of all these years are getting vaccinated? It’s no coincidence

A large number of those getbiggers are obese and/or old. I'd say they made the right call for themselves.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 22, 2021, 03:18:24 PM
A large number of those getbiggers are obese and/or old. I'd say they made the right call for themselves.

My 50 inch waist pants aren't a reliable indication of my epic fitness level. :o
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 22, 2021, 03:20:01 PM
My 50 inch waist pants aren't a reliable indication of my epic fitness level. :o

Who makes pants that big...Omar the tent maker?  ;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 22, 2021, 03:20:21 PM
A large number of those getbiggers are obese and/or old. I'd say they made the right call for themselves.

Yes, but they also have very poor instincts.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 22, 2021, 03:25:25 PM
No sir. We have all seen many many people driving around in their cars ALL ALONE AND WEARING A MASK. Those people have been scared beyond belief. Those are the exact people obtaining fake ID's to obtain multiple vaccine injections.

Fear will make you do anything.

Cowards.

You get extreme, irrational morons on all sides of this issue.
The wear a mask alone in the car are just as retarded as those who think the vaccine is some conspiracy to inject tracking tags LOL
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 22, 2021, 03:50:47 PM
You get extreme, irrational morons on all sides of this issue.
The wear a mask alone in the car are just as retarded as those who think the vaccine is some conspiracy to inject tracking tags LOL

I read an interesting article in the New York Times today by David Leonhardt.

He wrote, "On the issue of outdoor mask wearing, it helps to review a basic fact: There are few if any documented cases of brief outdoor interactions leading to Covid transmission. If you’re passing other people on a sidewalk or sitting near them on a park bench, the exposure of exhaled particles appears to be too small to lead to infection." As Dr. Muge Cevik, an infectious-disease expert at the University of St. Andrews, says, outdoors is “not where the infection and transmission occurs."

By early this summer, nearly every U.S. adult who wants to be vaccinated will have had the opportunity, but most children will not have gotten a shot. (For now, no children under 16 are eligible.) This combination will create complex decisions for many families — about whether to send children to day care, get together with friends and relatives, eat in restaurants or travel on airplanes.

As with outdoor masks, extreme caution has its own downsides. Months of additional isolation would not be good for families, multiple studies have suggested. Isolation makes it harder for parents to return to work and harder for children to learn, develop social skills and be happy.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2021, 04:46:50 PM
I read an interesting article in the New York Times today by David Leonhardt.

He wrote, "On the issue of outdoor mask wearing, it helps to review a basic fact: There are few if any documented cases of brief outdoor interactions leading to Covid transmission. If you’re passing other people on a sidewalk or sitting near them on a park bench, the exposure of exhaled particles appears to be too small to lead to infection." As Dr. Muge Cevik, an infectious-disease expert at the University of St. Andrews, says, outdoors is “not where the infection and transmission occurs."

By early this summer, nearly every U.S. adult who wants to be vaccinated will have had the opportunity, but most children will not have gotten a shot. (For now, no children under 16 are eligible.) This combination will create complex decisions for many families — about whether to send children to day care, get together with friends and relatives, eat in restaurants or travel on airplanes.

As with outdoor masks, extreme caution has its own downsides. Months of additional isolation would not be good for families, multiple studies have suggested. Isolation makes it harder for parents to return to work and harder for children to learn, develop social skills and be happy.



Got the same article today too.  What I have been saying forever
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 22, 2021, 05:19:53 PM
Read between the lines. They already know when these mask mandates are ending and are just front running the story.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 22, 2021, 05:35:00 PM
Read between the lines. They already know when these mask mandates are ending and are just front running the story.



The actual flu season is over, even libs will be tossing their masks soon.

This is like a political masqueerade party....everybody take your masks off and now see what you have before you. Surprise to some sad to say.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 22, 2021, 05:38:44 PM


The actual flu season is over, even libs will be tossing their masks soon.

This is like a political masqueerade party....everybody take your masks off and now see what you have before you. Surprise to some sad to say.

The Vaccine will get credit for something that was gonna happen anyway:
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 22, 2021, 05:39:45 PM
Read between the lines. They already know when these mask mandates are ending and are just front running the story.

I'm one of those rare few who thinks all sides of the covid issue went to absurd extremes .
Some of the mass shut down orders and mask mandate rules lacked basic common sense.

But, so do the  covid conspiracy theories and anti-vax myths.
It's not some evil "plandemic" to control society . Vaccines have cured pandemic level diseases like polio and small pox!

It's a damm virus and some small % will have serious health issues or worse.
Sensible mitigation via reasonable health practices is the best way to deal with it.
If everyone does THAT, you don't need to shut everything down.

THEN, get the vaccine and you no longer need to worry about it.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 22, 2021, 05:56:19 PM
I'm one of those rare few who thinks all sides of the covid issue went to absurd extremes .
Some of the mass shut down orders and mask mandate rules lacked basic common sense.

But, so do the  covid conspiracy theories and anti-vax myths.
It's not some evil "plandemic" to control society . Vaccines have cured pandemic level diseases like polio and small pox!

It's a damm virus and some small % will have serious health issues or worse.
Sensible mitigation via reasonable health practices is the best way to deal with it.
If everyone does THAT, you don't need to shut everything down.

THEN, get the vaccine and you no longer need to worry about it.

So it’s a conspiracy to think that this is a giant taxpayer funded windfall for big Pharma?

Why would you have to vaccinate the entire population when only a very small segment is at risk?

I’ll bet Rachel Maddow won’t show you this chart:



Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: el numero uno on April 22, 2021, 06:09:34 PM
You get extreme, irrational morons on all sides of this issue.
The wear a mask alone in the car are just as retarded as those who think the vaccine is some conspiracy to inject tracking tags LOL


That's 3/4 of Getbig in case you haven't noticed.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 22, 2021, 06:24:45 PM


Got the same article today too.  What I have been saying forever

Yup. As I was reading the article, I thought about how you've been saying this all along.

According to article it seems the main reason to wear masks at this point ( if fully vaccinated) is to set an example for others. Not sure how that works. My suspicion is that those folks who won't get vaccinated aren't going to change their minds unless something forces them like needing proof  in order to travel or an employer requires it.

For over a year, I have seriously limited social interactions. Because I'm something of a loner anyway, it is really easy to fall into being a total hermit. Many of my close friends are in my age group. Some have been absolute shut ins. My friends Nancy and Patrick are a good example, Patrick is a couple of years older than me. He has a compromised heart. Nancy had stage 4 throat cancer a few years back. Chemo left her with a compromised immune system and congestive heart failure. As you might imagine, they are fearful of exposure to COVID-19. We used to get together fairly often for dinner. I have not seen them face to face since the start of the pandemic.

Zoom meetings are not the same as live meetings. I belong to several organizations. All of which have gone exclusively to zoom meetings. Each year a labor union I have been actively involved in for more than 30 years just decided to hold a virtual conference. Last June they cancelled conference altogether. Normally, there are between 350 and 450 people at conference. Right now the plan is to televise it....it is too big for Zoom.

I'm COVID' out and ready for interaction with friends and extended family. A lot still has to change for life to go back to being anything close to what it was pre COVID. Restaurants are still at 25% capacity, that is those that haven't shuttered completely. Gyms are open, but they also have limits on the number of people there at any given time. Bars are open with a 25% capacity and greatly reduced hours.

Kids are back in school in my district for about 20 hours a week, but schools in low income areas are only open a few hours a week for in-school instruction. I'm not sure why that is since all public schools get state funding on a per student basis.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2021, 06:40:57 PM
So meet outside.  It’s ok ! 

This is what I’ve been saying all along.  Even the fng NYT is confirming this now


Yup. As I was reading the article, I thought about how you've been saying this all along.

According to article it seems the main reason to wear masks at this point ( if fully vaccinated) is to set an example for others. Not sure how that works. My suspicion is that those folks who won't get vaccinated aren't going to change their minds unless something forces them like needing proof  in order to travel or an employer requires it.

For over a year, I have seriously limited social interactions. Because I'm something of a loner anyway, it is really easy to fall into being a total hermit. Many of my close friends are in my age group. Some have been absolute shut ins. My friends Nancy and Patrick are a good example, Patrick is a couple of years older than me. He has a compromised heart. Nancy had stage 4 throat cancer a few years back. Chemo left her with a compromised immune system and congestive heart failure. As you might imagine, they are fearful of exposure to COVID-19. We used to get together fairly often for dinner. I have not seen them face to face since the start of the pandemic.

Zoom meetings are not the same as live meetings. I belong to several organizations. All of which have gone exclusively to zoom meetings. Each year a labor union I have been actively involved in for more than 30 years just decided to hold a virtual conference. Last June they cancelled conference altogether. Normally, there are between 350 and 450 people at conference. Right now the plan is to televise it....it is too big for Zoom.

I'm COVID' out and ready for interaction with friends and extended family. A lot still has to change for life to go back to being anything close to what it was pre COVID. Restaurants are still at 25% capacity, that is those that haven't shuttered completely. Gyms are open, but they also have limits on the number of people there at any given time. Bars are open with a 25% capacity and greatly reduced hours.

Kids are back in school in my district for about 20 hours a week, but schools in low income areas are only open a few hours a week for in-school instruction. I'm not sure why that is since all public schools get state funding on a per student basis.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: The Scott on April 22, 2021, 07:10:35 PM
Op looks like shit so it's fitting he feels like it too.  FTN.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: AbrahamG on April 22, 2021, 07:17:35 PM
Op looks like shit so it's fitting he feels like it too.  FTN.

FTN?  Fuck That Ni**er?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: The Scott on April 22, 2021, 07:23:17 PM
FTN?  Fuck That guy?

Fuck That Noise.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: AbrahamG on April 22, 2021, 07:24:07 PM
Fuck That Noise.

 ;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: The Scott on April 22, 2021, 07:29:02 PM
FTN?  Fuck That Ni**er?

I rarely use that word as I find it far too common and that is born out by the fact that many black menz call almost anybody that name.  I even was greeted with it at a store parking lot by a black guy that said "Whatup mah "negroe"?  You remind me of 4 legs on South Park!".

Had to laugh as I had seen that episode.  Oh yeah, I sometimes have to use my polio crutches, hence the "Jimmy" reference!  Again, good to see  you my friend.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: AbrahamG on April 22, 2021, 07:30:10 PM
I rarely use that word as I find it far too common and that is born out by the fact that many black menz call almost anybody that name.  I even was greeted with it at a store parking lot by a black guy that said "Whatup mah "negroe"?  You remind me of 4 legs on South Park!".

Had to laugh as I had seen that episode.  Oh yeah, I sometimes have to use my polio crutches, hence the "Jimmy" reference!  Again, good to see  you my friend.

Same to you.  I knew that it meant.  Just fuckin' around.  Ugly word.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: The Scott on April 22, 2021, 07:34:09 PM
Same to you.  I knew that it meant.  Just fuckin' around.  Ugly word.

I have found it as retarded as "whitey" or "jonque".  People are people and we have far more in common than we do that is different.  And still the "leaders" of nations want to make us celebrate our "differences".    Time to take my medicine and hit the hay! In all ways and for always, be well my friend!
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: JCL on April 22, 2021, 08:28:11 PM


This is all bullshit, do a little research and stop spreading non sense you mut.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Maddy on April 22, 2021, 08:31:13 PM


Zollitch
provide links for
reasearch and
articles

JCL
meltdown
like teen girl
with pimple
This is all bullshit, do a little research and stop spreading non sense you mut.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: JCL on April 22, 2021, 08:37:49 PM

Zollitch
provide links for
reasearch and
articles

JCL
meltdown
like teen girl
with pimple

Good one moron.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 22, 2021, 08:46:20 PM
JCL = Teen girl with pimple
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 23, 2021, 03:59:33 AM
Corona Unmasked

select excerpts taken from prelim pre pub chapter of forthcoming, yet to b finalized book – 'Corona Unmasked' – authored by world renowned German-Thai-American microbiologist Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (and some whore)

https://www.goldegg-verlag.com/goldegg-verlag/wp-content/uploads/corona_unmasked_engl_leseprobe.pdf

The vaccines are here, and they are being given en masse – yet we don’t know if they work, how well they work, or what they do. That is why these vaccines have not been given regular approval by the EU, but only a “conditional approval” for emergency use (1). In the next 2 years, it will be re-viewed whether their benefits outweigh the risks. Every person who gets vaccinated now is part of this huge experiment. But, of course, without any liability!

Because with vaccinations under emergency rules, the manufacturers make no guarantees whatsoever – in case of serious reactions, or even in case of death, they are free from any liability.

Especially for completely novel, gene-based vaccines such as the mRNA vaccines against CoroSARS-CoV-2, a careful study of the possible risks would be particularly important, because according to the current state of scientific knowledge, a variety of severe side effects are conceivable.

It is thus all the more astonishing that meaningful studies on the efficacy and safety of these novel vaccines do not exist at all - Nor were such studies feasible within the short time available. Three pharmaceutical companies were at the fore-front of the mad race for the highly lucrative emergency approval: AstraZeneca with its DNA vector vaccine based on an adenovirus, and Biontech/Pfizer as well as Moderna with their mRNA vaccines. On December 21, 2020, the EU Commission approved the Biontech/Pfi-zer vaccine, followed shortly thereafter on January 6 by approval of the Moderna vaccine; and on January 29, AstraZeneca received EU approval, too. While careful clinical testing of a new vaccine was previously known to take at least 7–10 years, the whole process has now been shortened to mere months. Could reliable data be on the table in such a short time, so that the public could weigh risk versus benefit? Of course not. Nevertheless, everything was accepted and bought sight unseen by the authorities in Europe.

Do current vaccines protect against severe SARS-CoV-2 infection?

As a matter of fact, a protective effect against severe and possibly life-threatening COVID-19 disease could not be shown in monkey models with any of the vaccines (3–5).

What do the human trials say?

Mainstream media jubilantly spread the press releases of the companies without ever asking any critical questions. Thus, from the media we learn that the protection afforded by the vaccines is simply great – with Biontech/Pfizer the level of protection is even 95 percent! That sounds great – bring on the vaccination! But how do these numbers come about, knowing that healthy people very rarely get life-threatening COVID -19?

In fact, among the 40,000+ test subjects of the Biontech/Pfizer study (7), just 170 COVID-19 “cases” occurred (about 0.4%). Of these, 8 occurred among the vaccinated (1x severe), whereas 162 in the unvaccinated control group. The 8 cases in the first group equal 5% of the 162 in the second – therefore, 95% protection!?

Considering this small number of cases overall, the evidence must be described as plainly ridiculous from a scientific point of view. Moreover: how did this study define a “COVID-19 case” in the first place? Aha: symptoms like cough, cold, hoarseness and a positive RT-PCR test, which is extremely unreliable, as everyone knows by now. So, what we have here is a vaccination that might possibly prevent cough, cold, hoarseness in 0.7% of the vaccinated. For this breathtaking achievement, hundreds of vaccinated people had to accept severe side effects, some of which led to hospitalization.

The situation is no better for the other vaccine manufacturers. Accordingly, Professor Peter Doshi, writing in the prestigious British Journal of Medicine, complains: “None of the studies currently underway are designed to detect a reduction in severe outcomes in terms of hospitalization, admission to intensive care units, or death.«

How great is the benefit of vaccination, especially for the group most at risk from the infection? No one knows. Thereby, the justification for the conditional approval is the demonstrated prevention of serious or even deadly events. The conditional approvals for all gene-based vaccines were thus made without any basis whatsoever.

The human trial continues, and everyone who is now enthusiastic about being vaccinated is taking part.

Does the vaccine prevent infection and thus the spread of the viruses?

A widely proclaimed goal of vaccination is not only to prevent COVID-19 disease in the vaccinated persons, but also to prevent the spread of the virus in the population. Already in kindergartens and elementary schools, children are taught that they could unknowingly kill their grandparents because they carry the viruses without being sick themselves. To prevent this, everyone should be vaccinated, including the children. Does this make sense – can a vaccination prevent an infection at all?

Let us start with the first question: does it make sense to try to prevent the spread of viruses that are of little danger to most people in order to supposedly protect a risk group?

When we do develop symptoms, this is a sign that the viruses have found a chance to become active, and also that our immune system has entered the battle. If there is no cough, cold, hoarseness, etc., it means that our body is keeping the viruses at bay from the start. The viral load that a person can release into the out-side world without symptoms is too small to endanger other people in public. Therefore, the plan to vaccinate the entire population is a delusional and insane undertaking.

Let us turn to question 2: could the vaccines prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2 viruses at all? The RKI states that this question is completely unresolved so far (13). To find out, one would have to examine whether 1) vaccinated people can still get an infection and whether 2) in this case, the amount of virus present is sufficient to infect others.

AstraZeneca alone made headlines with the news that vaccinated people were significantly less contagious. However, on closer inspection, it is blindingly obvious that once more no data exist to draw this conclusion. The study in question only looked at part 1 of the question: how many more people get an infection after being vaccinated. How was this checked?

The only criterion was positive RT-PCR tests (14). Now even the WHO says that the PCR test alone is not enough to diagnose an infection (15). So what is the the unsubstantiated claim worth that the spread of infection was massively reduced by the AstraZeneca vaccine? NOTHING.

Anyone who has the slightest idea about infections and immune defense also knows that the mechanistic concept for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccination which is presented to the public is amateurish and naive from the start. The antibodies induced by the vaccination will circulate for the most part in the bloodstream. For an analogy, readers may imagine that they themselves are such antibodies, sitting together in the living room – which represents a blood vessel of the lungs. Now the virus comes to the house – not bothering to ring the bell, it just grabs the door handle and steps into the hallway: the lung cell. How could you possibly stop it from doing so, while sitting in the living room? You can’t.

Antibodies can basically only help prevent the further spread of an intruder through the bloodstream. But that is not the primary protection against an attack from the air against the lungs. And that is precisely why there is no truly effective vaccine protection against respiratory infections, including influenza.

If the benefits of vaccinations are more than questionable, what about the risks?

We read in the mainstream media: mRNA vaccines are not new after all. That is true, but they have NEVER been used on humans to fight a viral infection. And humans have never been inoculated with recombinant viral genes, in the form of either DNA or mRNA.

Accordingly, the vaccinations were under a dark cloud from the outset. With all three gene-based vaccines, disturbing immediate side effects were noted – but carefully hidden from general awareness: severe swelling and pain at the injection site, high fever and chills, severe headache, limb and muscle pain throughout the body, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting. Many vaccinated people were so sick that they were unable to work. In the AstraZeneca study, the side effects were so bad that the study protocol had to be changed halfway through: in the later stages, study participants received high doses of the pain- and fever-relieving drug aceta-minophen in order to make the vaccination reasonably tolerable (16). Such changes of protocol in the middle of a study are actually not permitted at all. Why was an exception made here?

But that is not all. The AstraZeneca study was interrupted in July and September 2020 because of the occurrence in vaccinees of an extremely rare autoimmune disease, which affects the spinal cord (17). “Transverse myelitis” is associated with paralysis and normally occurs at the very low frequency of approximately 3 per 1 million population, every year. It is surprising,
then, that 2 such cases occurred among a relatively small number of vaccinated individuals.
AstraZeneca announced days later: calm down people, the first test person had incipient multiple sclerosis, the second case was purely an unfortunate coincidence. The show will go on! And so it did – AstraZeneca continued to forge ahead. But not only AstraZeneca – so did everyone else.

Comparable events occurred with competitors Mo-derna and Biontech/Pfizer. With both vaccines, volunteers suffered similarly severe general side effects. This sentence might be moved up to the discussion of general febrile reactions to the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Such a variety of immediate side effects has never been observed with any other vaccination. In America, when comparing the number of reported side effects of different vaccines over the 2 last years, the COVID-19 vaccine already comes out on top, although it was approved only in December 2020 (19).

Is the mRNA vaccine dangerous?

«No« is the answer that is spread everywhere. This is because 1) the vaccine introduces into our body only the information for a small part of the virus, for the so-called spike protein, which means that there is no intact virus that could propagate, and 2) the vaccine only imitates what Nature, too, would do. Intact viruses also release their genetic material into our cells when they attack, turning our cells into virus factories. So, no problem there at all, right?

Far from it. A natural respiratory infection typically affects only the respiratory tract itself. If, at worst, cell death occurs, the damage is local and can be repaired relatively easily.

With a vaccine, however, the viral genetic information is injected into the muscle. Many believe that the packaged viral genes remain at the site of injection – that is, within in the muscle. The genes would be taken up by cells at the site, which is where most “virus factories” would be created. Side effects such as swelling, redness and pain at the injection site would be expected because of this, but they would remain relatively harm-less and go away after a few days.

What a fatal mistake!

The virus genes in the Moderna and Biontech/Pfi-zer vaccines are packaged in so-called nanoparticles – which can be thought of as tiny packages, not made of paper, but of fat-like substances. This protects the contents and makes it easier for them to be absorbed by the cells of our body. The packaging itself causes a risk of severe allergic reactions that is many times higher than with conventional vaccines (20). It is thus not without reason that people with allergies are now being warned not to get vaccinated – life-threatening reactions (anaphylactic shock) could be triggered. In fact, such dangerous side effects did occur in some vaccination volunteers, who required emergency treatment. In addition, nanoparticles can have numerous other harmful effects because they can interfere with the function of our blood cells and clotting system (21).

But it gets infinitely worse. It is part of basic medical knowledge that all soluble substances injected into muscle tissue enter the bloodstream and are distributed throughout the body within a very short time. This is precisely why substances that are supposed to act immediately are injected into the muscles.

It is known that the injected gene packets also enter the bloodstream (22). Which cell types will take them up, process them, and then produce the virus protein?

The answer to this is not known with certainty.


We are now witnessing large-scale experiments on humans. This is absolutely irresponsible, especially since there was reason for caution from the beginning. The potential dangers from the “packaging” were already known. More significantly, however, alarming antibody-dependent enhancement – in this case, the antibodies do not prevent uptake of the virus into cells, but rather enhance it – has been observed in animal studies on SARS and other coronaviruses (23, 24). In the decades-long, yet futile effort to develop vaccines against SARS or MERS, this enhancement effect was repeatedly observed, as one among problem among many others (25). With this in mind, should not animal studies have been conducted to clearly rule out this effect for SARS-CoV-2? Physicians who do not alert those willing to be vaccinated to the risk that vaccination could make the disease worse, not better, are in violation of their duty to inform (26).

And more seriously, could the inoculation of viral genes trigger other novel immune-related enhancement effects? Shouldn’t such very elementary things have been considered and tested beforehand?

As a reminder, lymphocytes have a long-term memory – they remember what the «molecular garbage« looks like that is produced in Coronavirus infections. And corona garbage looks pretty much the same no matter which member of the virus family it is derived from. All humans have had training rounds with coronaviruses, and thus they have lymphocytes that will recognize SARS-CoV-2 garbage. People without in-depth knowledge might counter that these cross-reactive killer lymphocytes were detected in only 40–70% of old blood samples, and they reacted only weakly against SARS-CoV-2 (27, 28). However, it is known that only a small proportion of all lymphocytes are in the blood at any given time. The others are just taking a break and resting in the lymphoid organs (including the lymph nodes).

Here, we note an exciting finding: In April 2020, Swedish researchers reported that they had discovered something truly remarkable. Activated and combat-ready T lymphocytes were found in the blood of all people (100%) infected with SARS-CoV-2, regardless of the severity of the disease (29).

This finding is a clear, unmistakable warning.

For context: during an initial confrontation of the immune system with a virus, the lymphocyte response will be sluggish. Rapid, strong reactions such as that documented by the Swedish team reveal that forewarned troops are already at the ready and can be mobilized on short notice. They will swarm out of the lymphoid organs to fight the enemy. Their main task: extermination of the virus factories – death to the body’s own cells that produce the virus particles.

And now back to the new reality: the large-scale experiment on humans. The injected gene packets are taken up locally in muscle cells, but a large part reaches first the local lymph nodes and, after passing through these, the bloodstream. The lymph nodes are where the immune cell team resides. When the viral gene is taken up by any cell there, production of the spike protein gets underway. The corona killer lymphocyte next door wakes up and springs into action – the brotherly battle begins! Lymph node swelling. Pain. The lymphocytes psyche each other up and then emerge from the lymph nodes to seek out more enemies.

Yes – over there – the muscle cells! There they are!!! Attack!!! At the injection site redness, swelling, bad pain.

But now the nightmare.

This is because the substances with small molecules – for example, blood sugar – can easily seep out of the blood into the tissue, whereas large molecules such as proteins cannot. For them, the vessel walls are tight thanks to the lining with a cell layer – the endothelial cells.

What are the gene packages like – large or small?

Right – compared to blood sugar, they certainly are large. Therefore, once they enter the bloodstream, they will remain in the closed network of vascular tubes just like the blood cells. A small part of them is taken up by white blood cells. Presumably, however, most of the virus factories will be established in the endothelial cells, that is, in the innermost cell layer of the blood vessels themselves. This would happen mainly where the blood flows slowly – within the smallest and smallest vessels – because the gene packages can be taken up particularly efficiently by the cells there (30).

The endothelial cells then produce the viral spike protein and place the waste at the door – on the side that faces the bloodstream, where killer lymphocytes are on patrol. This time, the fight is one-sided. The endothelial cells have no defense.

What happens then can only be guessed at. Injury to the vascular lining usually leads to the formation of blood clots. This would likely happen in countless vessels in countless places in the body. If it happens in the placenta, severe damage to the child in the womb could result.

Shudder.

Is there evidence that something like this is taking place? Yes, there is talk of rare blood disorders in which a possible link to vaccination would have to be investigated (31). Strikingly, there are reports of patients in whom a sharp drop in blood platelets (thrombocytes) was observed. This would fit the hypothesis put for-ward here, because platelets are activated and used up at the sites of blood clot formation.

What is more, it seems that particularly the vaccinated are dying. Is this perhaps the immune-related exacerbation of diseases we have reason to fear? Not caused by antibodies, but by activated killer lymphocytes? And couldn’t this happen at any time to anyone vaccinated – tomorrow, the next day, next week, next fall? Because lymphocytes have an elephant’s memory. And they recognize something that looks similar in all coronaviruses: the molecular garbage that is produced by the virus-infected cells. That is, the lymphocyte induced exacerbation of disease progression could arguably occur with any infection with a related virus. In any “successfully” vaccinated person – young or old – and at any time in the near or distant future.

Conclusion

Gene-based vaccines received emergency approval at lightning speed to combat a virus that is no more dangerous than influenza (34). There is now clear evidence that people can become severely ill and die from these vaccinations. No real-world benefit of vaccination has ever been shown. Until reliable and convincing data are available, this high-risk human experiment must not be allowed to continue.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 23, 2021, 04:22:50 AM
I’ll bet Rachel Maddow won’t show you this chart:

I'm gonna go ahead here and bet there are a lot of things that Rachel Maddow wouldn't show me  ;D

(http://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.publiusforum.com%2Fimages%2Frachel_maddow_glasses.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 23, 2021, 05:46:42 AM
COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease

J. Bart Classen, MD

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

'The current RNA based SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were approved in the US using an emergency order without extensive long term safety testing. In this paper the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine was evaluated for the potential to induce prion-based disease in vaccine recipients.'

The RNA sequence of the vaccine as well as the spike protein target interaction were analyzed for the potential to convert intracellular RNA binding proteins TAR DNA binding protein (TDP-43) and Fused in Sarcoma (FUS) into their pathologic prion conformations. The results indicate that the vaccine RNA has specific sequences that may induce TDP-43 and FUS to fold into their pathologic prion confirmations.'

'The folding of TDP-43 and FUS into their pathologic prion confirmations is known to cause ALS, front temporal lobar degeneration, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological degenerative diseases. The enclosed finding as well as additional potential risks leads the author to believe that regulatory approval of the RNA based vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 was premature and that the vaccine may cause much more harm than benefit'

'There are many other potential adverse events that can be induced by the novel RNA based vaccines against COVID-19. The vaccine places a novel molecule, spike protein, in/on the surface of host cells. This spike protein is a potential receptor for another possibly novel infectious agent. If those who argue that the COVID-19 is actually a bioweapon are correct, then a second potentially more dangerous virus may be released that binds spike protein found on the host cells of vaccine recipients.'

'Genetic diversity protects species from mass casualties caused by infectious agents. One individual may be killed by a virus while another may have no ill effects from the same virus. By placing the identical receptor, the spike protein, on cells of everyone in a population, the genetic diversity for at least one potential receptor disappears. Everyone in the population now becomes potentially susceptible to binding with the same infectious agent.'

'Approving a vaccine, utilizing novel RNA technology without extensive testing is extremely dangerous. The vaccine could be a bioweapon and even more dangerous than the original infection.'
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 23, 2021, 06:00:59 AM
The real fucked up part about this is the lack of liability for the pharmaceutical companies. As stated here on this thread you’re essentially an unpaid lab rat for an experimental drug with questionable benefits and if something goes wrong, too bad.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on April 23, 2021, 06:22:09 AM
The real fucked up part about this is the lack of liability for the pharmaceutical companies. As stated here on this thread you’re essentially an unpaid lab rat for an experimental drug with questionable benefits and if something goes wrong, too bad.
this... & you can´t get them in court. They are covered. Take it at your own risk but at the same time they are trying to force it on people . going in the back door.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 23, 2021, 06:29:34 AM
this... & you can´t get them in court. They are covered. Take it at your own risk but at the same time they are trying to force it on people . going in the back door.

Seems like this is why they want to sell as many  as possible before they become approved and as a result can be held liable.

Just one scam after another.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: epic is back on April 23, 2021, 06:57:52 AM
melvin

worlds biggest liar and attention seeker


who took no shot

DOA
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 23, 2021, 09:05:14 AM
Seems like this is why they want to sell as many  as possible before they become approved and as a result can be held liable.

Just one scam after another.

The only scam , is that too many misguided people will buy into this "anti-vax" nonsense.
My wife and I feel pretty safe with getting the Pfizer vaccine and no longer need to worry about an personal covid issues.

Obviously, you and those on your side, don't agree and that's life.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Grape Ape on April 23, 2021, 09:09:39 AM
There is no right or wrong answer here.  It's a matter of personal preference.

Those who don't want it aren't "misguided" and those who feel comfortable aren't "idiots".

Context is key amongst every individual decision.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 23, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
The only scam , is that too many misguided people will buy into this "anti-vax" nonsense.
My wife and I feel pretty safe with getting the Pfizer vaccine and no longer need to worry about an personal covid issues.

Obviously, you and those on your side, don't agree and that's life.

Anti-VAX is a term used by the establishment and institutionalized marks like you as a pejorative to people who have legitimate questions about this whole thing.

The funny thing is that I’ve had to listen to Bernie Bro types going on year after year about pharmaceutical companies and now we have a situation where they’re about to get the biggest taxpayer funded windfall ever and you guys are a bunch of fucking compliant mutes.

BTW, I’m not stopping you from getting it. In fact, I recommend you get all four of them on a weekly basis.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 23, 2021, 09:26:15 AM
There is no right or wrong answer here.  It's a matter of personal preference.

Those who don't want it aren't "misguided" and those who feel comfortable aren't "idiots".

Context is key amongst every individual decision.

To me , refusing to get a free vaccine to eradicate a pandemic level virus is foolish

It's like refusing to wear a seat belt or motorcycle helmet in the name of "freedom".
They want to be FREE to make their own choice and take the risks, right?

Nope , not that simple...

If you get in a wreck, your chances of serious injury or worse are a lot higher without a seat belt or motorcycle helmet.
So, the health care worker and EMT's now required to provide extra care and resources for THEIR risky choice.

At this point, IF someone refuses the  vaccine they should waive the REQUIREMENT for health care workers to treat them.

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 23, 2021, 09:35:25 AM
We know the party line Howard. Unfortunately the data it doesn’t back up the story. Some of the most compliant places that had the most draconian restrictions have much worse than some of the more open places like Florida and Texas.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 23, 2021, 09:40:56 AM
We know the party line Howard. Unfortunately the data it doesn’t back up the story. Some of the most compliant places that had the most draconian restrictions have much worse than some of the more open places like Florida and Texas.


I hear ya and know some use the "company line" to promote an agenda.
I'm not an elected official, but I try to be consistent in the application of laws and regulations .

To me, if you want to do your own thing, don't come asking for help, IF it doesn't work out.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 23, 2021, 09:42:44 AM


BTW, I’m not stopping you from getting it. In fact, I recommend you get all four of them on a weekly basis.

 ;D ;D  Good zinger !  I'll be sure to post a brief video of me getting each one weekly  ;)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 23, 2021, 09:52:13 AM
We know the party line Howard. Unfortunately the data it doesn’t back up the story. Some of the most compliant places that had the most draconian restrictions have much worse than some of the more open places like Florida and Texas.

Our moron state of NYS was the worst of anyone.    >:(
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 23, 2021, 09:58:47 AM
Our moron state of NYS was the worst of anyone.    >:(

Every state has it's pros/cons, so WTF.

I grew up in NH and they don't have any state income or sales tax.
But the property tax there is one of the highest in the country.
The most northern part of the state has the highest % property tax.

Ga is a balanced tax state ( sales , income and property) which makes it more stable.
You take a small amount from varied sources .
I like that better.

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Grape Ape on April 23, 2021, 10:05:30 AM
To me , refusing to get a free vaccine to eradicate a pandemic level virus is foolish

It's like refusing to wear a seat belt or motorcycle helmet in the name of "freedom".
They want to be FREE to make their own choice and take the risks, right?

Nope , not that simple...

If you get in a wreck, your chances of serious injury or worse are a lot higher without a seat belt or motorcycle helmet.
So, the health care worker and EMT's now required to provide extra care and resources for THEIR risky choice.

At this point, IF someone refuses the  vaccine they should waive the REQUIREMENT for health care workers to treat them.

Your analogy is incorrect.

Throw out the incredible false premise that the vaccine "eradicates" this pandemic (there's speculation has to what levels MIGHT cause herd immunity) and focus on the seatbelt comment.

For your analogy to be remotely relatable, you'd have to add the context that the seatbelt is a new prototype with no long term testing on human use, the material is brand new and never used in a vehicle, and nobody knows the long term effects of the seatbelt use, or whether the seatbelt is still effective after a year, or you have to buy a new one.

You're ignoring context to try to make a point.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 23, 2021, 10:12:26 AM
There is no right or wrong answer here.  It's a matter of personal preference.

Those who don't want it aren't "misguided" and those who feel comfortable aren't "idiots".

Context is key amongst every individual decision.

Logical post reported
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Dave D on April 23, 2021, 10:23:39 AM
There is no right or wrong answer here.  It's a matter of personal preference.

Those who don't want it aren't "misguided" and those who feel comfortable aren't "idiots".

Context is key amongst every individual decision.

This.

This vaccine has been politicized and now people are drawing a line in the sand and maintaining their stance is right and the other side is wrong.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Hypertrophy on April 23, 2021, 10:24:18 AM
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf


This is going to be the largest vaccine "experiment" in history. I'll pass. I 'm looking forward to the news reports a year from now as the side effects start to be tallied.



Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 23, 2021, 10:41:27 AM
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf


This is going to be the largest vaccine "experiment" in history. I'll pass. I 'm looking forward to the news reports a year from now as the side effects start to be tallied.
Look for a lot to be covered up.  There is no way they will ever admit that they put so many people in harms way with the vaccine.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 23, 2021, 10:45:35 AM
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf


This is going to be the largest vaccine "experiment" in history. I'll pass. I 'm looking forward to the news reports a year from now as the side effects start to be tallied.

I'm looking forward to hearing more stories about Trumptards who called the virus a hoax and then got sick and whine about how awful they felt

BTW - they are discovering more and more long term side effects of getting COVID. 


Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 23, 2021, 10:47:18 AM
I'm looking forward to hearing more stories about Trumptards who called the virus a hoax and then got sick and whine about how awful they felt

BTW - they are discovering more and more long term side effects of getting COVID.
Sure they are.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 23, 2021, 10:50:12 AM


BTW - they are discovering more and more long term side effects of getting COVID.


Brainwashed brownshirt.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: deadz on April 23, 2021, 10:53:55 AM

Brainwashed brownshirt.
He has to be a frightened 85 yr old Libtard.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 23, 2021, 10:54:24 AM
Sure they are.

I wouldn't expect you to understand

you're the certified moron who said that no one would be talking about COVID after the election

I'd be amazed if you knew how to tie your shoes without getting some help
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 23, 2021, 10:55:01 AM

Brainwashed brownshirt.

delusional Trumptard

I'm sorry ...that's redundant
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Humble Narcissist on April 23, 2021, 11:08:25 AM
I wouldn't expect you to understand

you're the certified moron who said that no one would be talking about COVID after the election

I'd be amazed if you knew how to tie your shoes without getting some help
I wear slippers.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 23, 2021, 11:50:07 AM

Brainwashed brownshirt.

Funny how these “discoveries” all have the effect of keeping people scared.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 23, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
Funny how these “discoveries” all have the effect of keeping people scared.


One of the most difficult things that has happened in the last few years is noticing that people's BS detectors have been switched off.

All humor and detection of sarcasm just gone at this point in lefties.

I used to not understand how being a social media influencer could be a viable thing....I mean who would believe any of that stuff...yet here we are. People who believe you should wear a mask after a "vaccination".
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Dave D on April 23, 2021, 12:17:39 PM
Just to be clear:

We are finding out about more potentially dangerous long term side effects about a virus we know little about.

But the new vaccine that, allegedly, hasn't gone through the traditional process before being approved for the general public has been fully researched in less amount of time than the year old virus?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 23, 2021, 11:59:34 PM
Just to be clear:

covid will be the reason... the excuse – to get inside of your body.

the 'vaccine' - will introduce a host of extraordinarily bad technologies into your system that will fundamentally change what u r.

a tool - among others... manifested – pulled from the abyss - for the subjugation and fundamental transformation of a divinely created man into an irredeemable, short lived abomination... before extermination - resulting in damnation.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 24, 2021, 12:05:15 AM
First case of a Johnson and Johnson related blood clot death in Oregon was reported in the Oregonian today. It is the second one in the U.S.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 24, 2021, 12:11:32 AM
FDA ends Johnson & Johnson vaccine pause

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/cdc-panel-j-j-vaccine-decision-484447

Federal health officials said late Friday that vaccinations with Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine can restart, ending a 10-day pause over a potential link to rare and severe blood clots.

The Food and Drug Administration has amended the emergency use authorization for the vaccine to include mention of the clotting issue, and it will add warnings about the risk of the rare clots accompanied by low platelet counts to fact sheets for health care providers and vaccine recipients.

"The FDA and CDC have confidence that this vaccine is safe and effective in preventing COVID-19"
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: G_Thang on April 24, 2021, 12:31:22 AM
FDA ends Johnson & Johnson vaccine pause

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/cdc-panel-j-j-vaccine-decision-484447

Federal health officials said late Friday that vaccinations with Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine can restart, ending a 10-day pause over a potential link to rare and severe blood clots.

The Food and Drug Administration has amended the emergency use authorization for the vaccine to include mention of the clotting issue, and it will add warnings about the risk of the rare clots accompanied by low platelet counts to fact sheets for health care providers and vaccine recipients.

"The FDA and CDC have confidence that this vaccine is safe and effective in preventing COVID-19"



Imagine a "vaccine" so safe, you will be forced to take it
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on April 24, 2021, 02:40:58 AM
I'm looking forward to hearing more stories about Trumptards who called the virus a hoax and then got sick and whine about how awful they felt

BTW - they are discovering more and more long term side effects of getting COVID.
Looks like you have been suffering for a long time then..you are brain dead ..jackass !
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: wes on April 24, 2021, 05:47:11 AM
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf


This is going to be the largest vaccine "experiment" in history. I'll pass. I 'm looking forward to the news reports a year from now as the side effects start to be tallied.




Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 24, 2021, 06:15:01 AM
Finally went to the doctor and he said that I just had the common cold.  I guess it was just coincidence that it was at the same time as getting the vaccine but I think that it put my immune system in overdrive
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: epic is back on April 24, 2021, 07:46:00 AM
your vaccination papers?

ah yes

 


Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2021, 07:53:11 AM
Vince, is this that girl you were dating during Mayhem days? Smart and sexy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ocReKYRfAG0X
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 24, 2021, 12:49:51 PM
Vince, is this that girl you were dating during Mayhem days? Smart and sexy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ocReKYRfAG0X

wyhi?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 24, 2021, 12:52:22 PM
wyhi?

With 110% force
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 24, 2021, 12:56:31 PM
Just to be clear:

We are finding out about more potentially dangerous long term side effects about a virus we know little about.

But the new vaccine that, allegedly, hasn't gone through the traditional process before being approved for the general public has been fully researched in less amount of time than the year old virus?

allegedly ?

they either did or didn't

post your link to the the info confirming your claim
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 24, 2021, 02:10:44 PM
Finally went to the doctor and he said that I just had the common cold.  I guess it was just coincidence that it was at the same time as getting the vaccine but I think that it put my immune system in overdrive

Bummer. It's only natural you'd think the cold was a reaction to the vaccine. The effect of which was mild in my case. All I had was slight nausea....which was probably more in my head than real.

Before getting vaccinated, every time I sneezed or coughed, I thought to myself that I had caught COVID. Being vaccinated has given me peace of mind.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: robcguns on April 24, 2021, 02:28:40 PM
Just to be clear:

We are finding out about more potentially dangerous long term side effects about a virus we know little about.

But the new vaccine that, allegedly, hasn't gone through the traditional process before being approved for the general public has been fully researched in less amount of time than the year old virus?


Hahahah exactly
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Fortress on April 24, 2021, 04:37:29 PM
Just to be clear:

We are finding out about more potentially dangerous long term side effects about a virus we know little about.

But the new vaccine that, allegedly, hasn't gone through the traditional process before being approved for the general public has been fully researched in less amount of time than the year old virus?

Pure reason and deductive logic. Bravo.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 24, 2021, 04:40:52 PM
Pure reason and deductive logic. Bravo.


His reward will be to be labeled as an anti-VAXer and conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 24, 2021, 04:47:48 PM

His reward will be to be labeled as an anti-VAXer and conspiracy theorist.

Well, it's bunch of conspiracy based internet nonsense about the covid vaccine.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 24, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
there is a final destination... in regard to 'vaccination' – and that is the only reason rona was created in the first place.

it ain't about the disease, its about the 'cure'.

covid will be the reason... the excuse – to get inside of your body.

the 'vaccine' - will introduce a host of extraordinarily bad technologies into your system that will fundamentally change what u r.

a tool - among others... manifested – pulled from the abyss - for the subjugation and fundamental transformation of a divinely created man into an irredeemable, short lived abomination... before extermination - resulting in damnation.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 24, 2021, 05:02:38 PM
Well, it's bunch of conspiracy based internet nonsense about the covid vaccine.

Fact: The  fatality rate for people who aren’t in the primary risk groups is effectively zero.

Fact: We have no idea about the long term affects of these hastily produced vaccines.

So why is it unreasonable to question the value of taking this vaccine?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 24, 2021, 05:24:45 PM
Fact: The  fatality rate for people who aren’t in the primary risk groups is effectively zero.

Fact: We have no idea about the long term affects of these hastily produced vaccines.

So why is it unreasonable to question the value of taking this vaccine?
Ok for starters, the main reason the covid vaccine could be developed so much faster then older vaccines is DNA technology.
For example, the traditional manner of vaccine development used to eradicate polio were "cutting edge" decades ago.
Plus, mRNA that attacks the protein spike on covid is no proven much more effective and safe then the more traditional ones
( J & J for example)

Our health care system was stressed to the max and couldn't deal effectively with thousands getting serious Covid each week.

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective . Humans take risks daily and some went full wacko on covid panic.
(* The mask wearer driving a car alone , is silly).
Having said THAT, if everyone just used simple mitigation last year, we could have kept most stuff open.

This allows our healthcare system to deal with it and prevents having mask mandates or shut downs.
The vaccine is our best hope in getting back to normal life , free from covid risks.

Let's not let the futile pursuit of perfection  be the enemy of a good, practical solution.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Fortress on April 24, 2021, 05:43:36 PM
Ok for starters, the main reason the covid vaccine could be developed so much faster then older vaccines is DNA technology.
For example, the traditional manner of vaccine development used to eradicate polio were "cutting edge" decades ago.
Plus, mRNA that attacks the protein spike on covid is no proven much more effective and safe then the more traditional ones
( J & J for example)

Our health care system was stressed to the max and couldn't deal effectively with thousands getting serious Covid each week.

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective . Humans take risks daily and some went full wacko on covid panic.
(* The mask wearer driving a car alone , is silly).
Having said THAT, if everyone just used simple mitigation last year, we could have kept most stuff open.

This allows our healthcare system to deal with it and prevents having mask mandates or shut downs.
The vaccine is our best hope in getting back to normal life , free from covid risks.

Let's not let the futile pursuit of perfection  be the enemy of a good, practical solution.

Get fucked.

I’m quite fine relying on my nature-provided immune system. And if it fails, well, that’s the natural order of things. No complaint from me.

The stressed-to-the-max health-care systems of the world could become not so if even a fraction of the excess money dumps were allocated to these systems.

Life is to be lived. And when our time arrives, there it is. And that’s OK.

Too many have lost the plot.

And as I say, take the “vaccine” and ram it up your ass, wimp.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Dave D on April 24, 2021, 05:54:58 PM
Ok for starters, the main reason the covid vaccine could be developed so much faster then older vaccines is DNA technology.
For example, the traditional manner of vaccine development used to eradicate polio were "cutting edge" decades ago.
Plus, mRNA that attacks the protein spike on covid is no proven much more effective and safe then the more traditional ones
( J & J for example)

Our health care system was stressed to the max and couldn't deal effectively with thousands getting serious Covid each week.

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective . Humans take risks daily and some went full wacko on covid panic.
(* The mask wearer driving a car alone , is silly).
Having said THAT, if everyone just used simple mitigation last year, we could have kept most stuff open.

This allows our healthcare system to deal with it and prevents having mask mandates or shut downs.
The vaccine is our best hope in getting back to normal life , free from covid risks.

Let's not let the futile pursuit of perfection  be the enemy of a good, practical solution.

Howard I believe the official reports indicate the reason the vaccine was developed so quickly was because covid based viruses have been studied for so long (Sars as an example).

But here you are, an educated and well read man, stating that the vaccine was developed so quickly because of DNA technology.

And correct me if I'm wrong but prior to this emergency approval mRna based vaccines could not gain FDA approval.

I say all this to point out we can all find information that supports whatever rabbit hole we want to go down, Zillotch has post a lot of credible research info for example, but the truth of the matter is it's an individual decision as to whether one should vaccinate or not. 

The fact is the military is not yet making this vaccine mandatory, and as an ex jarhead, you know that the US Government is not concerned with sticking needles in our troops because if they do whatever is going inside their troops has been fully vetted.

This last statement alone should be enough for one to be skeptical about anything that was "rushed" (whether it was or wasnt is a different issue but most believe this vaccination was produced in record time, and to that point when Trump said during the debates that a vaccine was weeks away Biden audibly laughed and the media blasted Trump for such a preposterous statement) to the market for a virus that we've been told daily for over a year we now little about.

Covid nor masks are going anywhere for some time. Fearmongering has caused this to be embedded deep into people's consciousness.

In closing it wouldn't matter if you did or didn't get the vaccine because at the end of the day you still suck.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 24, 2021, 06:02:27 PM
Get fucked.

I’m quite fine relying on my nature-provided immune system. And if it fails, well, that’s the natural order of things. No complaint from me.

The stressed-to-the-max health-care systems of the world could become not so if even a fraction of the excess money dumps were allocated to these systems.

Life is to be lived. And when our time arrives, there it is. And that’s OK.

Too many have lost the plot.

And as I say, take the “vaccine” and ram it up your ass, wimp.

Some people share your views on refusing modern medicine.
One group in your camp is Christian  Scientist         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

I don't have any idea who you are or your background and it's unlikely we'll ever meet.
God forbid, someday, you or a loved one may be seriously ill .

In that terrible , stressful situation, you might feel differently? It humbled me. ;)

PS/  I'm just a nobody posting my OPINIONS on get big.
Save your furor for messages to the CDC that make the vaccines and elected officials that make laws on this stuff.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 24, 2021, 06:04:06 PM
Ok for starters, the main reason the covid vaccine could be developed so much faster then older vaccines is DNA technology.
For example, the traditional manner of vaccine development used to eradicate polio were "cutting edge" decades ago.
Plus, mRNA that attacks the protein spike on covid is no proven much more effective and safe then the more traditional ones
( J & J for example)

Our health care system was stressed to the max and couldn't deal effectively with thousands getting serious Covid each week.

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective . Humans take risks daily and some went full wacko on covid panic.
(* The mask wearer driving a car alone , is silly).
Having said THAT, if everyone just used simple mitigation last year, we could have kept most stuff open.

This allows our healthcare system to deal with it and prevents having mask mandates or shut downs.
The vaccine is our best hope in getting back to normal life , free from covid risks.

Let's not let the futile pursuit of perfection  be the enemy of a good, practical solution.

Trumpeting the media bullshit doesn’t cut it here Howard. The healthcare system was never stressed to the max. They brought a big fucking boat into New York City to serve as a hospital and it sat empty. They set up the Jacob Javits Center as another makeshift hospital and that sat empty too. The problem is you’re so  far removed from reality and your only source is the MSM. I am not. I spent every single day of 2020 in the most densely populated area of NYC and I’m Telling you that without the government and the media’s constant badgering nobody would’ve noticed Jack shit.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 24, 2021, 06:09:01 PM
Howard I believe the official reports indicate the reason the vaccine was developed so quickly was because covid based viruses have been studied for so long (Sars as an example).

But here you are, an educated and well read man, stating that the vaccine was developed so quickly because of DNA technology.

And correct me if I'm wrong but prior to this emergency approval mRna based vaccines could not gain FDA approval.

I say all this to point out we can all find information that supports whatever rabbit hole we want to go down, Zillotch has post a lot of credible research info for example, but the truth of the matter is it's an individual decision as to whether one should vaccinate or not. 

The fact is the military is not yet making this vaccine mandatory, and as an ex jarhead, you know that the US Government is not concerned with sticking needles in our troops because if they do whatever is going inside their troops has been fully vetted.

This last statement alone should be enough for one to be skeptical about anything that was "rushed" (whether it was or wasnt is a different issue but most believe this vaccination was produced in record time, and to that point when Trump said during the debates that a vaccine was weeks away Biden audibly laughed and the media blasted Trump for such a preposterous statement) to the market for a virus that we've been told daily for over a year we now little about.

Covid nor masks are going anywhere for some time. Fearmongering has caused this to be embedded deep into people's consciousness.

In closing it wouldn't matter if you did or didn't get the vaccine because at the end of the day you still suck.

For starters, SARs research was done during  the modern DNA based  era of biotechnology.
The Chinese provided the global health network with the Covid-19 DNA sequence to accelerate vaccine development.

The vast majority of US citizens are getting the vaccine , despite some noisy conspiracy based anti-vax promo.

Most regular posters on Get Big are part of that movement.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 24, 2021, 06:11:14 PM
Trumpeting the media bullshit doesn’t cut it here Howard. The healthcare system was never stressed to the max. They brought a big fucking boat into New York City to serve as a hospital and it sat empty. They set up the Jacob Javits Center as another makeshift hospital and that sat empty too. The problem is you’re so  far removed from reality and your only source is the MSM. I am not. I spent every single day of 2020 in the most densely populated area of NYC and I’m Telling you that without the government and the media’s constant badgering nobody would’ve noticed Jack shit.

I know you believe what you wrote in the above post.
So, it's a waste of time for both of us, for me to reply.

No hard feelings. ;)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Grape Ape on April 24, 2021, 06:12:47 PM
For starters, SARs research was done during  the modern DNA based  era of biotechnology.
The Chinese provided the global health network with the Covid-19 DNA sequence to accelerate vaccine development.

The vast majority of US citizens are getting the vaccine , despite some noisy conspiracy based anti-vax promo.

Most regular posters on Get Big are part of that movement.

You keep using that term.

Holding off on vaccine doesn't mean someone is "anti-vax".

It means they don't want to take this particular treatment.

Anti-vaxxers are the morons who won't let their kids be immunized against measles and such.

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 24, 2021, 06:12:52 PM
Conspiracy theories come about after an event. I called it well before it happened. There had been about 10 deaths from corona at the time I posted this. Now look at the chart underneath, the third column: no underlying illnesses:


At first, I bought into it like everybody else but when I started to see the responses which were so irrational considering the scope of the problem, I started to smell a rat and eventually I figured out what this is really about, an economic reset and global currency devaluation:

I know how this plays out. To justify these interventions, they’re going to have to artificially bump up the victim numbers to the point where somebody gets hit by a truck and turns out to have a positive corona test is said to have died of corona.


Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 24, 2021, 06:14:52 PM
You keep using that term.

Holding off on vaccine doesn't mean someone is "anti-vax".

It means they don't want to take this particular treatment.

Anti-vaxxers are the morons who won't let their kids be immunized against measles and such.

Funny how liberals didn’t used to trust the government and especially the pharmaceutical companies. Now they can’t bend over fast enough.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 24, 2021, 06:16:27 PM
You keep using that term.

Holding off on vaccine doesn't mean someone is "anti-vax".

It means they don't want to take this particular treatment.

Anti-vaxxers are the morons who won't let their kids be immunized against measles and such.
Fair enough and you're right a true anti-vaxxer won't let his kid get ANY vaccine.

However, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are a safe and effective bet.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Dave D on April 24, 2021, 06:17:20 PM
For starters, SARs research was done during  the modern DNA based  era of biotechnology.
The Chinese provided the global health network with the Covid-19 DNA sequence to accelerate vaccine development.

The vast majority of US citizens are getting the vaccine , despite some noisy conspiracy based anti-vax promo.

Most regular posters on Get Big are part of that movement.

Ok so was this vaccine developed so quickly because of DNA based biotech or because of years of research already spent studying covid based viruses?

As far as the majority of the country being vaccinated, that is great. Hopefully that will eliminate the Covid19  virus just like the flu vaccine eliminated the flu. But I ask does it cause you to even question why the US military hasn’t made it a mandatory vaccination ?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 24, 2021, 06:52:03 PM
Ok so was this vaccine developed so quickly because of DNA based biotech or because of years of research already spent studying covid based viruses?

As far as the majority of the country being vaccinated, that is great. Hopefully that will eliminate the Covid19  virus just like the flu vaccine eliminated the flu. But I ask does it cause you to even question why the US military hasn’t made it a mandatory vaccination ?

Your last question has a lengthy history to fully answer and then it may not apply to this exact situation?
https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-supreme-court
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 24, 2021, 07:21:11 PM
mRNA that attacks the protein spike on covid is no proven much more effective and safe then the more traditional ones ( J & J for example)

do not listen to this imbecilic piece of shit. 

J&J will alter your DNA just as ModeRNA

dna/mrna 'vaccines' r designed to have delayed effect, to allow for sufficient numbers (before the horror show manifests), and achieve the same end result.

all who subject themselves to this grand genetic experiment (and dont die) will b altered and owned... some kind of fuked up chimeric gmo.

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Voice of Doom on April 24, 2021, 07:32:46 PM
Ok for starters, the main reason the covid vaccine could be developed so much faster then older vaccines is DNA technology.
For example, the traditional manner of vaccine development used to eradicate polio were "cutting edge" decades ago.
Plus, mRNA that attacks the protein spike on covid is no proven much more effective and safe then the more traditional ones
( J & J for example)

Our health care system was stressed to the max and couldn't deal effectively with thousands getting serious Covid each week.

No vaccine is 100% safe and effective . Humans take risks daily and some went full wacko on covid panic.
(* The mask wearer driving a car alone , is silly).
Having said THAT, if everyone just used simple mitigation last year, we could have kept most stuff open.

This allows our healthcare system to deal with it and prevents having mask mandates or shut downs.
The vaccine is our best hope in getting back to normal life , free from covid risks.

Let's not let the futile pursuit of perfection  be the enemy of a good, practical solution.
Jesus man, turn off CNN and start thinking for yourself. 
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Grape Ape on April 24, 2021, 07:37:53 PM
However, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are a safe and effective bet.

Cool - link me to some long term studies that support your statement.


Obviously there ARE none.

Your statement is a best case scenario that we hope for, but not fact.

Nobody knows how long the vaccines are effective for, whether they require boosters, or if they carry long term adverse effects.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Howard on April 24, 2021, 08:07:35 PM
Cool - link me to some long term studies that support your statement.


Obviously there ARE none.

Your statement is a best case scenario that we hope for, but not fact.

Nobody knows how long the vaccines are effective for, whether they require boosters, or if they carry long term adverse effects.

You have the right to fart and hold your own head under the covers to see how long the smell lasts.
But, I'd suggest taking another's word for it.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: el numero uno on April 24, 2021, 08:51:26 PM
I'm doing both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines at 1 ml per week, and oral J & J as a kickstart.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Grape Ape on April 24, 2021, 09:38:00 PM
You have the right to fart and hold your own head under the covers to see how long the smell lasts.
But, I'd suggest taking another's word for it.

If you are going to suggest it, you should be able to counter my statement with something factual.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: ThisisOverload on April 24, 2021, 10:56:02 PM
Vince, is this that girl you were dating during Mayhem days? Smart and sexy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ocReKYRfAG0X

You know she's crazy in bed.  ;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Skeletor on April 24, 2021, 11:14:29 PM
I'm doing both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines at 1 ml per week, and oral J & J as a kickstart.

Decent cycle but might want to add some Astra Zeneca for PCT.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: chaos on April 25, 2021, 07:38:45 AM
Ugh...shit is fucked up.  I'm leaving work early
Pretty sure every person I know that got the shot has had a reaction to at least the first one. One person I know had the Rona and ended up in the hospital, dehydrated, she had a bad reaction and was laid up vomiting with fever after the first and second shot.
On a serious note everyone should really be mindful of this vaccine, it is not FDA approved, it is still experimental.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 25, 2021, 10:56:28 AM
10x more deadly than the flu😂😂😂😂


COVID-19 Survivor Turns 100 With Surprise Reunion After Spending 99th Birthday Indoors – NBC New York

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/good-news/covid-19-survivor-turns-100-with-surprise-reunion-after-spending-99th-birthday-indoors/3017461/
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Taffin on April 25, 2021, 11:10:46 AM
I'm doing both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines at 1 ml per week, and oral J & J as a kickstart.

Decent cycle but might want to add some Astra Zeneca for PCT.

Excellent double-team work there!!  ;D ;D 8)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 25, 2021, 12:18:25 PM
Pretty sure every person I know that got the shot has had a reaction to at least the first one. One person I know had the Rona and ended up in the hospital, dehydrated, she had a bad reaction and was laid up vomiting with fever after the first and second shot.
On a serious note everyone should really be mindful of this vaccine, it is not FDA approved, it is still experimental.

false

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-experimental-and-they-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Fortress on April 25, 2021, 01:14:27 PM
false

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-experimental-and-they-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW

The more I read/research, the more I’m just NOT interested. Potion won’t be entering my body.

If I’m gonna chance something like this, the virus will have to actually be threatening.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: chaos on April 25, 2021, 01:20:00 PM
false

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-experimental-and-they-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW
False

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Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

There are currently no FDA approved vaccines for covid-19.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Straw Man on April 25, 2021, 01:24:57 PM
False

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

There are currently no FDA approved vaccines for covid-19.

you said it was experimental and that is false

and yes, the FDA gave emergency use authorization and there is nothing wrong with that

spend a few minutes to read your own link
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: chaos on April 25, 2021, 01:28:52 PM
you said it was experimental and that is false

and yes, the FDA gave emergency use authorization and there is nothing wrong with that

spend a few minutes to read your own link
I did, it says they can, at will, authorize whatever drugs they want, with minimal studies done. There are no FDA approved vaccines for covid = the current vaccines are experimental. Word it however your pea brain needs to, I'm right, you're wrong.
Suck a dick.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on April 25, 2021, 07:59:30 PM
you said it was experimental and that is false

and yes, the FDA gave emergency use authorization and there is nothing wrong with that

spend a few minutes to read your own link


Word games. Have to hand it to libs, they make their way doing this stuff.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: epic is back on April 30, 2021, 10:42:05 AM
where's your certificate melvin?

asking for a friend   ::)
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on April 30, 2021, 10:45:16 AM
Feel better today Melvinus Gudrunas?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Primemuscle on April 30, 2021, 12:13:59 PM
Pretty sure every person I know that got the shot has had a reaction to at least the first one. One person I know had the Rona and ended up in the hospital, dehydrated, she had a bad reaction and was laid up vomiting with fever after the first and second shot.
On a serious note everyone should really be mindful of this vaccine, it is not FDA approved, it is still experimental.

There are folks who have no noticeable reaction to the COVID vaccine.  But then, sometimes there's a reaction to the first, other times it is the second and there are times when it is both vaccines. One of my cousins had no reaction to the first and a huge reaction to the second one, chills and fever, etc. The same was the case with my daughter. My reaction both times was so mild, it could just have been the power of suggestion. My son also had a relatively mild reaction to both. Some of us had the Pfizer vaccine and others the Moderna. Some of my grandchildren got the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Zillotch on April 30, 2021, 03:05:59 PM
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on May 01, 2021, 03:56:25 AM
where's your certificate melvin?

asking for a friend   ::)

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: King Shizzo on May 01, 2021, 07:32:29 PM
I guess he feels like he looks.
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on May 02, 2021, 04:35:07 AM
false

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-experimental-and-they-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW
Fuck off Test tube baby
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on May 02, 2021, 04:36:34 AM
There are folks who have no noticeable reaction to the COVID vaccine.  But then, sometimes there's a reaction to the first, other times it is the second and there are times when it is both vaccines. One of my cousins had no reaction to the first and a huge reaction to the second one, chills and fever, etc. The same was the case with my daughter. My reaction both times was so mild, it could just have been the power of suggestion. My son also had a relatively mild reaction to both. Some of us had the Pfizer vaccine and others the Moderna. Some of my grandchildren got the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.
So your whole Family are Lab Rats. well done
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on May 02, 2021, 04:48:12 AM
So your whole Family are Lab Rats. well done

Three generations of Lemmings😂😂
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Kwon on May 02, 2021, 07:00:36 AM
You know she's crazy in bed.  ;D

Was she dating Melvin during the Muscle Mayhem-days?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: monsterman500 on May 02, 2021, 07:55:42 AM
Three generations of Lemmings😂😂
Lib morons.  ;D
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on May 02, 2021, 02:19:37 PM
Lib morons.  ;D

It’s really brainwashing and indoctrination. This guy in my running club is  a software engineer so he’s not lacking in brain power, yet he posts on his Facebook that cases in NYC are down 2/3 in April therefore vaccines work.

What he doesn’t realize is that this is a case of correlation not equaling causation as cases fall off a cliff every year at this time. It’s the end of fucking flu season.

Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: chaos on May 02, 2021, 06:01:55 PM
It’s really brainwashing and indoctrination. This guy in my running club is  a software engineer so he’s not lacking in brain power, yet he posts on his Facebook that cases in NYC are down 2/3 in April therefore vaccines work.

What he doesn’t realize is that this is a case of correlation not equaling causation as cases fall off a cliff every year at this time. It’s the end of fucking flu season.
When was the 2020 flu season?
Title: Re: I took the first dose of the vaccine...feel like shit
Post by: Thin Lizzy on May 02, 2021, 06:10:44 PM
When was the 2020 flu season?

Cases fell off a cliff during this time last year in the absence of vaccines: