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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #200 on: April 08, 2021, 08:07:47 PM »
I don’t like those numbers Taffy.

It's ok Dave - my error bar was +/- 100%  ;D
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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #201 on: April 09, 2021, 01:49:32 AM »
Colleen Huber, NMD, February 21, 2021, updated March 23, 2021

https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine

Most of the links below are from medical journals, the FDA, CDC, and other entities that generally support vaccination, yet the information in this article shows how EXTREMELY RISKY the COVID-19 vaccines are.

Is the COVID vaccine experimental? Pfizer and Moderna make the COVID-19 vaccines in the US. The FDA granted “emergency use authorization” for these vaccines (herein “COVID injections,” because they are unlike conventional vaccines). Emergency use authorization is required by law to be made only if there are no effective treatments for COVID-19. 

But are there effective COVID-19 treatments? 100s of studies done around the world have established, and repeatedly confirmed, fast, effective, well-tolerated treatments for COVID-19 that are in widespread use. I briefly summarize them here.

General risk vs benefit An emergency experimental vaccine cannot be assumed to be safer than a virus with a very high survival rate, such as COVID-19.  The average survival rate for NO COVID treatment at all is 99.74%, and we have very successful treatments available, which should easily achieve universal survivability from COVID, if widely available. Where does 99.74% survival come from?  Dr. John Ioannidis is the most widely cited scientist in the world.  His estimate in June 2020 of a 0.26% infection fatality rate is now confirmed around the world. 100% - 0.26% = 99.74% average survival rate.

Does the COVID injection work? The COVID injection is not even known to stop the spread of COVID.  Dr. Larry Corey, who oversees National Institutes of Health COVID-19 vaccine trials said on 11/20/20: “The studies aren’t designed to assess transmission.  They don’t ask that question, and there’s really no information on this at this point in time.”  https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941388.

The FDA confirms that the 1st vaccine dose correlates with increased COVID-19 infections.  "Suspected COVID-19 cases that occurred within 7 days after any vaccination were 409 in the vaccine group vs 287 in the placebo group."  This data comes from Pfizer itself.  See p 42 of https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

​What happened to the animals in the studies?  This technology has been tried on animals, and in the animal studies done, all the animals died, not immediately from the injection, but months later, from other immune disorders, sepsis and/or cardiac failure.There has never been a long-term successful animal study using this technology. No experimental coronavirus vaccine has succeeded in animal studies. In this study, coronavirus vaccine caused liver inflammation in test animals.

Specific risks of COVID injections, in roughly chronological order of side-effect manifestation:

Polyethylene glycol (PEG) is one of the ingredients.  This has been correlated with anaphylactic shock.   So the CDC is now recommending intubation kits at vaccination sites.

​Cationic lipid coating of mRNA is known for many years to be toxic, because these (+) charged fats interact with the (–) charges on our amino acids, our cell membranes and the phosphates of our DNA.  Cationic lipids are attracted to and are destructive toward:

Lungs ,
Mitochondria,
red blood cells,
white blood cells,
Liver,
Immune and nervous systems function (This is the likely cause of the Bell’s Palsy and tremors that are seen in vaccine victims.)

mRNA:  Unlike a traditional vaccine, of injected, inactivated virus intended to stimulate antibody response, the COVID injection on the other hand is completely different in this respect.  It uses messenger RNA (mRNA), which is a blueprint for your cells to create COVID-like (spike) proteins.  Then your cells begin to make these COVID-like proteins.  However, those proteins, in turn, stimulate your body to make antibodies against them.  So now your body has been turned into a munitions factory for both sides of a war:  The bad guys (COVID-like spike proteins) and the good guys (the antibodies fighting against them).  However, before you pledge allegiance to the good guys, as you will see below, the good guys can be more lethal to the vaccinated person.

History of mRNA injections: This technology had disastrous results in dengue fever vaccines in the past.  Dengue vaccine is a mRNA vaccine.  When this was used in children in the Philippines, many vaccinated children had far worse outcomes than unvaccinated children when they were later exposed to dengue, and many died.  Prosecution for homicide resulted.  However, this had previously been known to happen with ferrets and with cats. In all cases, the vaccinated animal or human became more vulnerable to worse disease when confronted with it. It is expected that the relatively mild COVID-19 illness, with a survival rate of 99.74%, may reduce to a much lower survival rate and become a truly lethal disease in vaccinated people when they later become infected with it.  There are no peer-reviewed published human trials of mRNA vaccines at all, and no mRNA vaccine has ever been FDA approved. That’s how new the technology is.

mRNA can affect DNA.  One of the most worrisome risks with a mRNA vaccine is what can happen with reverse transcriptase.  This is an enzyme in every cell, and it can theoretically lead to the mRNA creating changes in the cells’ DNA, a process known as viral retro-integration. Although this possibility had been thought unlikely, MIT and Harvard scientists found it happened here. If some of the 30 trillion or so cells in your body become permanent COVID factories, what is the long-term impact on your health, and would you want that outcome?

Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) problem:   Prior attempts to create a coronavirus vaccine killed all the test animals, after they were later infected with wild virus.  Here’s what happened:  mRNA instructed the mammals’ cells to produce the spike proteins of the coronavirus.  Then, later, when the animals confronted the wild virus, the intense build-up of antibodies had been stockpiled, and their sudden and overwhelming release killed the test animal.  These risks have been documented in Nature, Science and Journal of Infectious Diseases.  Here’s a study from Nature on that.

ADE mechanism:  ADE is a form of pathogenic priming, meaning the vaccine can result in a more severe disease, which has been seen in prior attempts at making coronavirus vaccines.  The antibodies made can be neutralizing (which inactivate a virus, and that’s good), but antibodies are a problem when they are non-neutralizing, because then these antibodies carry active viruses directly to macrophages, which then become infected.  This is how ADE happens.

This antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) leads to:

increased viral replication (more viruses to make you sick); and more severe disease


ADE result: These macrophages tend to go to the lungs and fill the lungs, causing overwhelming inflammation and airway obstruction (as found later on autopsy).    However, the augmented antibodies also attack similar-looking proteins on internal organs, resulting in cytokine storm and death or auto-immune disease and organ failure.  “Cats that showed high titers following vaccination succumbed at later timepoints to fatal disease.”

What about miscarriages, and why have men been advised to freeze their sperm prior to getting the injection?  Both men and women are at risk for possibly permanent infertility, because the spike protein of a coronavirus “looks” to the immune system similar to Syncytin-1, an essential protein in the placenta.  This stimulates antibodies to fight the placenta, and possibly sperm.  Mid-term miscarriages, which are normally very rare, have occurred in women who have been vaccinated for COVID.  SARS-CoV-2 viral particles have been found to linger in the testicles of men after recovery from infection.

Why are COVID vaccinees MORE likely to spread COVID than the unvaccinated?  Virologist Geert Vanden Bossche PhD, who worked for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, recently warned the World Health Organization (WHO) that "We are currently turning vaccinees into carriers shedding infectious variants."

Why is it more dangerous to vaccinate against COVID-19 than other viruses?  Because COVID-19 virus uses the ACE-2 receptor to get into your endothelial cells, including those lining the blood vessels.  This creates an inflammatory reaction that the great majority (99.74%) have survived even without treatment, and even more who used known, effective treatments. (See page 1)   So if you have been exposed to the virus, and then get vaccinated, it is almost certain that the vaccine will cause new inflammation and damage to endothelial cells lining your blood vessels, and we have seen short-term abnormal blood clotting in people who have gotten the vaccine.  But the more likely problem is launching new disease in the blood vessels.  Dr. H Noorchashm MD, PhD says, “. . . the vaccine is almost certain to do damage to the vascular endothelium.” He explains here.

Israel is at this writing the most heavily COVID-vaccinated country in the world.  The findings of infectious disease experts are reported here, in which they determined, from the Israeli data, that the COVID injection causes:

" . . .mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly . . .”

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #202 on: April 09, 2021, 02:14:55 AM »
FOH!

North Carolina sites halt J&J shots after adverse reactions

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina health officials said on Thursday that they stopped administering Johnson & Johnson doses at a mass vaccination site in Raleigh and at clinics in Hillsborough and Chapel Hill after at least 26 people experienced adverse reactions, including fainting.

Four people were taken to hospitals for further examination, and state and federal health officials are reviewing the matter.


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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #203 on: April 09, 2021, 02:57:22 AM »
I've heard some people blame this thing called "internashinel travel".  ??? I'm not sure what that is, though. I think it might be an app or a facebook page?  ???


Elizabeth, wtf?? Even if you don't buy into a lot of covidmania,  there's no confusion about how a communicable disease travels around the world. It would be weirder if it didn't.

Here’s what Fauci was saying before Covid. Did the science change or did someone get in his ear?




https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7w10hm

The one thing historically people need to realize that even if there is some asymptomatic transmission in all the history of respiratory-borne viruses any time asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks. The driver of outbreaks is always a symptomatic person. Even if there is a rare asymptomatic person that might transmit an epidemic is not driven by asymptomatic carriers." Dr Fauci



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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #204 on: April 09, 2021, 03:02:42 AM »
The paper you linked actually covers addresses that.  ???

Yes, it pretty much says that all the people vaccinated are older people who are going to die anyway but it doesnt say they are going to take that into consideration if they want to lock down again if the "R" rate goes above one.

Makes you wonder why they didnt say that first time around when it was just old people dying.

In a nutshell its old people that are going to die regardless of there being a vaccine and young people are not going to be affected.... like last time

So my point is despite vaccines people are still going to die

Like they do every year.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #205 on: April 09, 2021, 03:04:12 AM »
So have we figured out how a few thousand Chinese supposedly sick with the flu managed to spread it to the Favalas of Brazil?

aeroplanes..

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #206 on: April 09, 2021, 03:11:40 AM »
aeroplanes..

They shut down China last January. How many fucking sick Chinese could’ve gone over there that they managed to kill 300,000 Brazilians?

Funny how every country seems to have more deaths from Covid than China.

How do you know that Covid wasn’t already over there? They just started testing people this year. Did they not have the flu in Brazil before 2020?

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« Reply #207 on: April 09, 2021, 03:32:01 AM »
They shut down China last January. How many fucking sick Chinese could’ve gone over there that they managed to kill 300,000 Brazilians?

Funny how every country seems to have more deaths from Covid than China.

How do you know that Covid wasn’t already over there? They just started testing people this year. Did they not have the flu in Brazil before 2020?
they dont have to visit Brazil, they can meet someone who is going to go to another country that a Brazilian visits

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #208 on: April 09, 2021, 03:33:23 AM »
Heard of Ivermectin?
No, heres why...
When used prophylactically – for example, taken by healthcare workers or relatives of confirmed cases – it was shown that ivermectin reduces the risk of transmission by 88 per cent compared to control.
When used to treat Covid-19 infection, ivermectin reduces the risk of death by 83 per cent compared to ‘no ivermectin’. It also reduces the risk of deterioration by about 50 per cent. Almost 4,000 patients were included in the trials used in the meta-analysis. The British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (BIRD) Group has now recommended the immediate roll-out of ivermectin for prevention and treatment of Covid-19.
https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/ivermectin-for-covid-19-a-cheap-drug-with-a-remarkable-effect?fbclid=IwAR3OJ69DsY2mNVCyfAEd12nI20IGflfpA5zcgjbX9W0FcObpPJW4KoP69HA
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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #209 on: April 09, 2021, 04:03:53 AM »
they dont have to visit Brazil, they can meet someone who is going to go to another country that a Brazilian visits

Damn, if it’s that easy, it’s a miracle everyone in Texas isn’t already dead. I guess it just makes people uncomfortable to think that their government and the media are lying to them. How else do you explain so much bending over backwards to support what is obviously an extremely shaky and at times absurd narrative?


Texas COVID Cases Drop to Record Low Nearly Three Weeks After Mask Mandate Lifted


https://www.newsweek.com/texas-covid-cases-drop-record-low-nearly-three-weeks-after-mask-mandate-lifted-1579484

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #210 on: April 09, 2021, 04:30:23 AM »
Damn, if it’s that easy, it’s a miracle everyone in Texas isn’t already dead. I guess it just makes people uncomfortable to think that their government and the media are lying to them. How else do you explain so much bending over backwards to support what is obviously an extremely shaky and at times absurd narrative?


Texas COVID Cases Drop to Record Low Nearly Three Weeks After Mask Mandate Lifted


https://www.newsweek.com/texas-covid-cases-drop-record-low-nearly-three-weeks-after-mask-mandate-lifted-1579484

last 7 days UK covid deaths within 28 days of a test


1600 people on average die in the UK every day..yesterday only 11 of those were Covid "related"

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #211 on: April 09, 2021, 04:40:41 AM »
last 7 days UK covid deaths within 28 days of a test


1600 people on average die in the UK every day..yesterday only 11 of those were Covid "related"

Without the media’s daily panic porn and the government interventions, do you think anybody would’ve noticed anything wrong in 2020? I spent  every day of 2020 in a very densely populated area of New York City and my answer is “no.”

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #212 on: April 09, 2021, 04:55:06 AM »
Another:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-north-carolina-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-reactions/


The race to vaccinate hit more roadblocks on Thursday, as several patients at a mass vaccination site in North Carolina suffered immediate reactions to the Johnson & Johnson shot

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #213 on: April 09, 2021, 05:10:46 AM »
It is impressive we have so many people on this board who are not only experts in muscular strength and hypertrophy but also epidemiology.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #214 on: April 09, 2021, 05:16:16 AM »


These fucboi vaccines are for people 65 (maybe 60) and over.  The fact they are even suggesting giving these fucboi vaccines to children is preposterous.

If under and healthy you will have a superlab flu or no taste for 10-14 days. 

The mental health and neurological concerns come from wearing masks for 1 yr and being in isolation.

FOH!


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« Reply #215 on: April 09, 2021, 05:18:27 AM »
Without the media’s daily panic porn and the government interventions, do you think anybody would’ve noticed anything wrong in 2020? I spent  every day of 2020 in a very densely populated area of New York City and my answer is “no.”

they havent mentioned covid deaths for weeks, they only mention it when its bad news

I agree, if we had done nothing I dont think it would have been any worse and most people wouldnt have even noticed there had been a virus

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« Reply #216 on: April 09, 2021, 10:59:52 AM »
It is impressive we have so many people on this board who are not only experts in muscular strength and hypertrophy but also epidemiology.

Google is a hell of a thing
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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #217 on: April 09, 2021, 11:24:02 AM »
Yes, it pretty much says that all the people vaccinated are older people who are going to die anyway but it doesnt say they are going
Makes you wonder why they didnt say that first time around when it was just old people dying.


The first time around, prior to there being a vaccination push?

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #218 on: April 09, 2021, 03:28:31 PM »
It’s sexually transmitted for up to 30 days, so there’s that.

Are you sure about this?

There is currently no evidence that the COVID-19 virus is transmitted through semen or vaginal fluids, but the virus has been detected in the semen of people who have or are recovering from the virus. Further research is needed to determine if the COVID-19 virus could be transmitted sexually.

But then, there is also this advice:
If you or your partner isn't feeling well or think you might have COVID-19, don't kiss or have sex with each other until you're both feeling better. Also, if you or your partner is at higher risk of serious illness with COVID-19 due to an existing chronic condition, you might want to avoid sex.

There is nothing like confusing messages to help someone decide who to proceed.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/sex-and-coronavirus/faq-20486572#:~:text=There%20is%20currently%20no%20evidence,could%20be%20transmitted%20sexually.


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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #219 on: April 09, 2021, 03:31:02 PM »
they havent mentioned covid deaths for weeks, they only mention it when its bad news

I agree, if we had done nothing I dont think it would have been any worse and most people wouldnt have even noticed there had been a virus

New COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths are listed daily in the Oregonian. Who are the 'they' you are referring to?

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« Reply #220 on: April 09, 2021, 04:23:16 PM »
they havent mentioned covid deaths for weeks, they only mention it when its bad news

I agree, if we had done nothing I dont think it would have been any worse and most people wouldnt have even noticed there had been a virus

So you really believe here in the U.S. that doing nothing would have kept our infection and death rates in the exact spot they are today?  You aren't stupid but rather a phenomenal troll.



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« Reply #221 on: April 09, 2021, 04:28:37 PM »
New COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths are listed daily in the Oregonian. Who are the 'they' you are referring to?

Mainstream media UK

All news outlets, not a whisper about covid deaths in weeks

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« Reply #222 on: April 09, 2021, 04:29:42 PM »
So you really believe here in the U.S. that doing nothing would have kept our infection and death rates in the exact spot they are today?  You aren't stupid but rather a phenomenal troll.

Its clear, all the evidence is in, lockdowns make no difference to overall cases, they just spread out the cocvid deaths but they also start storing up deaths from a variety of other causes.
In the UK there are now 4.6 million people on waiting lists for trteatment and appointments.
If no one gets sick again it could still take 5 years to get them all seen and treated.

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« Reply #223 on: April 09, 2021, 04:30:56 PM »
Its clear, all the evidence is in, lockdowns make no difference to overall cases, they just spread them out

New Zealand did a hard lock down and in 3 months covid was pretty much non existent there.

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« Reply #224 on: April 09, 2021, 04:36:38 PM »
New Zealand did a hard lock down and in 3 months covid was pretty much non existent there.

New Zealand and Australia are not the same thing as Europe and the USA, they are self contained places where there isnt as much inward outward travel.
If they open the borders again then the virus will re-appear, you cant get rid of it, its going to be around forever, they could end up locking down pretty much year round if cases start to reappear.

There are many differing factors as to high death tolls
Obesity is the main contributing factor, thats why Europe and the USA have faired so badly.