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What "book" - if that is what they are called - of the Qu'ran would you suggest someone read that encompasses it's jist?
For instance, if someone agreed to read only one book of the bible, I would perhaps suggest they read the book of John.
Hedgehog, haidar, Toxy, Nordic etc. what "book" would you suggest? Thanks!
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What "book" - if that is what they are called - of the Qu'ran would you suggest someone read that encompasses it's jist?
For instance, if someone agreed to read only one book of the bible, I would perhaps suggest they read the book of John.
Hedgehog, haidar, Toxy, Nordic etc. what "book" would you suggest? Thanks!
good gawd (or the absence there of!) r people THAT un informed..
the koran in arabic is just 1 book...you can pick 1 up in america and pick up another copy 200 yrs old in egypt..its exactly the same to the very last comma..which is why the muslims (like my dad and mum) validate the koran as being the true work of god..
they still believe in the bible..but they believe the original ws lost and man changwed the words around to fit his needs..hense soo many versions..
the end..
just walk into a mosque and ask for a translation...they should just give ya 1 for free..i think muslims r forbidden to make money from koran sales..i could be wrong there though...
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The Koran is awesome. Puts women in their place.
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The Koran is awesome. Puts women in their place.
no thats is a common western misconception...of course most muslim societies tend to be 3rd world and un educated..
the koran gets the blame for a lot of counter cunture social mores...cause thats convenient...
a fucktard drunk beats his wife in a muslim country...people blame the koran..cause the drunk said "hey the koran made me do it" :-\
a fucktard drunk beats his wife in America..people blame the drink..
one of the verses says " under your mothers feet, lies heaven"
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no thats is a common western misconception...of course most muslim societies tend to be 3rd world and un educated..
the koran gets the blame for a lot of counter cunture social mores...cause thats convenient...
a fucktard drunk beats his wife in a muslim country...people blame the koran..cause the drunk said "hey the koran made me do it" :-\
a fucktard drunk beats his wife in America..people blame the drink..
one of the verses says " under your mothers feet, lies heaven"
No incorrect. Must I lay the smack down on you?
Koran: the women is like a field to man.
Koran: women are spoils of war.
The list is ENDLESS.
good gawd (or the absence there of!) r people THAT un informed..
the koran in arabic is just 1 book...you can pick 1 up in america and pick up another copy 200 yrs old in egypt..its exactly the same to the very last comma..which is why the muslims (like my dad and mum) validate the koran as being the true work of god..
The koran consists of 114 chapters of varying lengths, each known as a sura. It doesn't take Einstein to realise a single sura is what Stella was referring to ::) Stupid as the day is long...
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What about the fucktards who make women wear veils and deprive them of their education?
What about the supreme fucktard Mohammad, the shameless pedophile?
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What about the fucktards who make women wear veils and deprive them of their education?
What about the supreme fucktard Mohammad, the shameless pedophile?
Hush hush!
Your eyes decieve you!
What the muslims tell you is truth! Why your eyes tell you are lies! ::)
Right toxic? :-\
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What about the fucktards who make women wear veils and deprive them of their education?
my mum has never worn a viel and considers herself a good muslim...hey those snakehandlers and polygmists also consider themselves christians right?
from what i know all the koran says is " to cover up in a manner so as not to entice sexual thought from the opposite sex" and that goes for men AND women.....nowhere does it say ya gotta cover up as the taliban woman do..
What about the supreme fucktard Mohammad, the shameless pedophile?
ayesha ws what 16? ok so..if you consider him a pedo you r just being ethnocentric in time...
it ws prolly general custom in that time for girls to marry that young..soo EVERYONE in that time according 2 u ws a pedo..
you listen to nord too much...who time n again has proven himself to be a fuck tard..look at it this way....i never post in 99.9% of his threads..he shows up in every one of mine.. :-\
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Mohammad's wife was 9 when he married her.
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Your examples show total lack on education and intelligence Toxic.
It's irrelevant what your mother determines islamic practice or not. What islamic practices says, it says.
You see the idiocy in your Christian comparison is the ISLAMIC texts dictate the requirement for the suppression of women. Where does the bible promote polygamy. Ironically, the koran promotes polygamy, especially women counted as "the spoils of war".
"from what i know", from what I know, you know NOTHING!
Aisha 16? haha now your stupidity reaches new lows!
The koran preaches it is the direct word of god and a perfect copy of the mother of all books. This means that your points of ethnocentric influence are null and void. Why? Because the koran is perfection, not just then, not just now, but FOREVER.
PS...
They married at 6, the marriage was consummated when she was 9 and he was in his early 50's.
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Why is that people not so familiar with the Qur'an are posting in here ???
Anyway, that's a good question Stella asks, I'll have to think about this one. I do have a suggestion though- you can look up the chapters by name and see which one's you might wanna read?
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How about warfare, the spoils of war and/or Shariah law?
Tell us Stella, what do you want to hear?
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How about warfare, the spoils of war and/or Shariah law?
Tell us Stella, what do you want to hear?
That about sums up the religion of Islam, sure ::)
Please stay out of threads where you're not invited.
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That about sums up the religion of Islam, sure ::)
Please stay out of threads where you're not invited.
I was invited, note first post.
Secondly, assumption is the mother... you know the rest.
I was asking sura she would like to read, it's determined by what she wants to hear.
I see no rebuttal of my statements made in this thread.
Surely my truths can be easily refuted if they aren't truths? ???
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I was invited, note first post.
Secondly, assumption is the mother... you know the rest.
I was asking sura she would like to read, it's determined by what she wants to hear.
I see no rebuttal of my statements made in this thread.
Surely my truths can be easily refuted if they aren't truths? ???
Actually in this case, preconception is the mother of all f-ups.
Don't flatter yourself htinking I'll start responding to your bullshit. However, if we can set up a proper debate I may consider that but I dont even know if I have time for that. I'm not in the business of convincing you, I've made the mistake of trying that already. Sorry.
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Actually in this case, preconception is the mother of all f-ups.
Don't flatter yourself htinking I'll start responding to your bullshit. However, if we can set up a proper debate I may consider that but I dont even know if I have time for that. I'm not in the business of convincing you, I've made the mistake of trying that already. Sorry.
Defeated.
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Defeated.
That's cool.
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That's cool.
haha :D
Defeated yourself via cowardice! :-*
Shalom brother!
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haha :D
Defeated yourself via cowardice! :-*
Shalom brother!
Nordic, nordic, nordic... you're just here to feed your ego. What good is it when its gonna be shot down? So by letting you "win", I'm giving u what u wish for... which isn't necessarily the truth :-\
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Nordic, nordic, nordic... you're just here to feed your ego. What good is it when its gonna be shot down? So by letting you "win", I'm giving u what u wish for... which isn't necessarily the truth :-\
Saying "defeated" was a jest.
I have no ego.
I don't think I'm better than anyone. That's just your interpretation of me.
Read my complete posting listings on get big and show me where I show ego.
Again, you make claims, no references.
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Saying "defeated" was a jest.
I have no ego.
I don't think I'm better than anyone. That's just your interpretation of me.
Read my complete posting listings on get big and show me where I show ego.
Again, you make claims, no references.
Anyone who needs to argue so badly has ego problems. Surely when its all about "winning", it can't be said that you're debating for truth...show me one place where you've been shown to be misinformed, and you have conceded? And how many times have you repeated stupid insults like that anyway, so you want me to judge you by your real life story? :-\
Sure I could be wrong, but you certainly aint arguing for the right reasons/mindset. Just look at your approach, would you consider yourself approachable the way you present yourself here?
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I argue this particular topic because it's what I believe to be the biggest threat to humanity in the long run.
You don't think toxics stupid comments should be refuted as I have done time and time again.
Show me where I am wrong and I will concede.
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I argue this particular topic because it's what I believe to be the biggest threat to humanity in the long run.
You don't think toxics stupid comments should be refuted as I have done time and time again.
Show me where I am wrong and I will concede.
You dont arrive at the truth merely by refuting someone else, who also doesn't know much about the religion..It's more of an exercise in convincing yourself about what you already believe. Judging from your approach, I dont think you have changed any, so I have no desire to "debate".
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Sorry I have to be blunt, but you just come off like such an asshole. What am i supposed to do :-\
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You dont arrive at the truth merely by refuting someone else, who also doesn't know much about the religion..It's more of an exercise in convincing yourself about what you already believe. Judging from your approach, I dont think you have changed any, so I have no desire to "debate".
Well, patronising me isn't going to get you very far. I'd be keen to debate you on the issues of islam if you'd like.
My debate and interpretation isn't spiritual like yours.
I'm a critic of islam. Criticise it is what I do. I don't stand on any spiritual high ground like you do.
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Well, patronising me isn't going to get you very far. I'd be keen to debate you on the issues of islam if you'd like.
No, thanks ;D
My debate and interpretation isn't spiritual like yours.
This is where you fail. You want everything on your own terms..assumptions,preconceptions that you wont throw away at any cost. And I'm supposed to be able to change that, no way jose :-\
I'm a critic of islam. Criticise it is what I do. I don't stand on any spiritual high ground like you do.
You stand on a "literal" highground rather, if I was on such a spiritual highground as u claim then I would have never argued with u like I have in the past. Maybe Im just wiser to not waste time?
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No, thanks ;D
This is where you fail. You want everything on your own terms..assumptions,preconceptions that you wont throw away at any cost. And I'm supposed to be able to change that, no way jose :-\
You stand on a "literal" highground rather, if I was on such a spiritual highground as u claim then I would have never argued with u like I have in the past. Maybe Im just wiser to not waste time?
Huh? That's where I fail? Sorry son, but I have the best vantage point of anyone. That's not even up for arguement.
Arguing without spirituality via logic is where I fail? Hahaha...
By spiritual highground I meant in regards to not seeing throw islams veil on you.
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there u go again, have a nice day man I'll wait until STella gets back in here/
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there u go again, have a nice day man I'll wait until STella gets back in here/
Almost time for bed here.
Have a nice day, and a nice "party" on sat :-*
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Mohammad's wife was 9 when he married her.
her age according to who? nord? pluleeze... ::)
didcha look this up on the web? :-\ or ya just believe anything nord posts from christian fundie sites which are as bad a taliban sites...
if ya insist on hating the muslims..no matter what...then u r no better than the taliban..and any such thread is moot..it jjust becomes a venting priss party for the likes of nord..who aren't mentally stable and seriously need watching..
nords about a 12 pack away from blombing a mosque...
quoting nord " i wish someone would wipe off all the muslims of the face of this planet"
he wants to kill 1.4 billion people....and ya believe what this guy posts?
what does that say about you?
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her age according to who? nord? pluleeze... ::)
didcha look this up on the web? :-\ or ya just believe anything nord posts from christian fundie sites which are as bad a taliban sites...
if ya insist on hating the muslims..no matter what...then u r no better than the taliban..and any such thread is moot..it jjust becomes a venting priss party for the likes of nord..who aren't mentally stable and seriously need watching..
nords about a 12 pack away from blombing a mosque...
quoting nord " i wish someone would wipe off all the muslims of the face of this planet"
he wants to kill 1.4 billion people....and ya believe what this guy posts?
what does that say about you?
What the FUCK are you talking about?
Get YOUR facts straight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha
Why doesn't that quote have a source? ::)
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Get YOUR facts straight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha
LMAO wikipedia is your source..
i rest my case..
did you go edit it? should i edit it back to fit what i'm saying?
either you r extremly fucking stupid or you think we r...go away nordic bitch..
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Yeah, it's a good source due to the strong references.
From ISLAMIC texts:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.234
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.236
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.065
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.088
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3309
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3310
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3311
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/041.sat.html#041.4915
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/041.sat.html#041.4917
Can you show me a reference saying Aisha was 16? ???
YOU are stupid BTW. Hope this helps.
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her age according to who? nord? pluleeze... ::)
didcha look this up on the web? :-\ or ya just believe anything nord posts from christian fundie sites which are as bad a taliban sites...
if ya insist on hating the muslims..no matter what...then u r no better than the taliban..and any such thread is moot..it jjust becomes a venting priss party for the likes of nord..who aren't mentally stable and seriously need watching..
nords about a 12 pack away from blombing a mosque...
quoting nord " i wish someone would wipe off all the muslims of the face of this planet"
he wants to kill 1.4 billion people....and ya believe what this guy posts?
what does that say about you?
Nope. I don't say this because of nordic or anyone else.
I am an amateur scholar of Arab and Islamic history, in my spare time :)
Mohammad was a pedo. NEXT.
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I am an amateur scholar of Arab and Islamic history, in my spare time :)
and i believe you cause u said so....pfft... ::)
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Yeah, it's a good source due to the strong references.
From ISLAMIC texts:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.234
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.236
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.065
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.088
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3309
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3310
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3311
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/041.sat.html#041.4915
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/041.sat.html#041.4917
Can you show me a reference saying Aisha was 16? ???
YOU are stupid BTW. Hope this helps.
i dont see your point..
you r just once again making a priss poor attempt and vying on the fact that no one witll bother reading all that and just go along with you...
go away nordic bitch... :)
n oh..show us a reference saying she ws 9...i'm not gonna bother reading all that...
just 1 link..and a copy n paste quote will suffice..
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and i believe you cause u said so....pfft... ::)
It breaks my heart and injures my soul that you don't believe me... I don't know how I'm gonna be able to sleep at night.
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i dont see your point..
you r just once again making a priss poor attempt and vying on the fact that no one witll bother reading all that and just go along with you...
go away nordic bitch... :)
n oh..show us a reference saying she ws 9...i'm not gonna bother reading all that...
just 1 link..and a copy n paste quote will suffice..
You're stupid, delusional and have an inferiority complex.
What exactly did dadday do to you when you was younger? ???
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What "book" - if that is what they are called - of the Qu'ran would you suggest someone read that encompasses it's jist?
For instance, if someone agreed to read only one book of the bible, I would perhaps suggest they read the book of John.
Hedgehog, haidar, Toxy, Nordic etc. what "book" would you suggest? Thanks!
As Nordic is implying, the Quran is pretty short. So reading the whole book isn't that big of a deal.
Nordic sums it up pretty well too IMO.
Make sure to get a renowned translation, that's mainly what should be of concern.
I found the Qu'ran to be an interesting read, very good to know what Muslims base their faith in.
Reading the Quran, then taking into consideration that it is the direct words of God, that are not to be interpretated, it certainly explains a lot.
Certainly doesn't excuses anything, but it explains it.
Sorry for drifting out a bit.
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I don't know whether this applies to people on the forum, but to me, other than quick research and referencing I always prefer a hard copy of a book in my hand. I don't like reading on the computer.
However, USC has a great copy of the koran online with the "big 3" English translations of the koran:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
If you only want to read a single sura then this is very useful. 3 translations to help work on your interpretation.
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What about the fucktards who make women wear veils and deprive them of their education?
What about the supreme fucktard Mohammad, the shameless pedophile?
;D Pretty good thread guys.
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You're stupid, delusional and have an inferiority complex.
What exactly did dadday do to you when you was younger? ???
lol...who shows up in whose threads and who follows whome around here?
its like i have my own personal bitch... :-\
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Reading the Quran, then taking into consideration that it is the direct words of God, that are not to be interpretated,
except in arabic a pronounciation change of the same word means different things...
i dont know arabic...my uncle does..and he fucks with me using the same word but meaning different things and then chuckling to himself..
sooo i gather the bible isn't the word of god..and comes from other humans..and christians buy the word of another man as the word of god?
if i had to pick between to idiocies..i'd go with choice 1.. :-\
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except in arabic a pronounciation change of the same word means different things...
i dont know arabic...my uncle does..and he fucks with me using the same word but meaning different things and then chuckling to himself..
Seriously, WTF?
Believe it or not, there are some excellent linguists out there who are able to translate the koran, and have done so. Weak, weak argument.
sooo i gather the bible isn't the word of god..and comes from other humans..and christians buy the word of another man as the word of god?
if i had to pick between to idiocies..i'd go with choice 1.. :-\
Why would you pick islam? Other than your family, why?
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Why would you pick islam? Other than your family, why?
for one the book calls the moon a satellite..back when people thought the earth ws round
it advocates eating high carbs and proteins in the morning and day and low glycemic foods at nite..
it mentions the occurence of black holes (a star that is black..or something to that effect)...
makes scientific sence to me..and plus out of 1.4 billion muslims on this planet 99.9% interprit <sp?> the koran as being a peacefull book..
as for the rest...well WE TRAINED AND ARMED EM BACK IN THE DAY...and brainwashed em into becoming gods warriors..sure helped us out with russia didn't it? now its spread..and everyone wants to blame the box..not pandora.. :-\
...just google..science in koran..i'm still suffering from the flu soo i wont bother..
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Blackholes? A black star or "black sun" doesn't have anything to do with blackholes.
Where's it call the moon a "satalite?"
What about: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=173902.0
VERY SCIENTIFIC!
PS, where's your evidence of Aisha being 16? I've provided my evidence (from islamic sources, from 3 renowned muslims) in regards to my statement of her age being 9 on consumation.
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Blackholes? A black star or "black sun" doesn't have anything to do with blackholes.
Where's it call the moon a "satalite?"
What about: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=173902.0
VERY SCIENTIFIC!
PS, where's your evidence of Aisha being 16? I've provided my evidence (from islamic sources, from 3 renowned muslims) in regards to my statement of her age being 9 on consumation.
hey you said she ws 9..prove it
or prove to me that he actually fucked her ater he married her at 9...
cause a LOT of muslim men at the time married young slaves to free em...
either way...mate..you're argueging with a guy that believes that islam..christianity and the jewish faith are all bullshit...
the egyptian pyramids point EXACTLY to true N S E and W...a task that to this day costs millions if done as precisely as the pyramids..
get it?
HOW??? and WHY BOTHER???
or why does and apple kept inside the great pyramid degrade much much slower than one outside..
or why cant one even slide a blade in between the great stones of the pyramids? cause aren;'t they hand made??
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a single sura is what Stella was referring to
OK, I didn't know what it was called...a "sura" thanks Nordic!
As Nordic is implying, the Quran is pretty short. So reading the whole book isn't that big of a deal.
Nordic sums it up pretty well too IMO.
Make sure to get a renowned translation, that's mainly what should be of concern.
I found the Qu'ran to be an interesting read, very good to know what Muslims base their faith in.
Reading the Quran, then taking into consideration that it is the direct words of God, that are not to be interpretated, it certainly explains a lot.
Certainly doesn't excuses anything, but it explains it.
Sorry for drifting out a bit.
Thanks Zach.
How do I know if my translation is "renowned?" Will it just state that? I just looked again for our copy and can't find it so I will go get another. I don't know if the other one was renowned or not.
The reason I just wanted one surah suggested is because I've tried to read the Qu'ran before and just did not continue. I think I was only in the introduction also! If I remember correctly it was saying that Mohammed was in a cave and some spirit told him to write stuff down and Mohammed later told his wife he didn't know what he should do and she told him to do what the spirit said. I've briefly scanned some of the actual text in the Qu'ran but it didn't hold my interest. Maybe I wasn't giving it a fair enough chance.
That's why I would like just one surah that encompasses the jist of Islam. Maybe that would interest me enough to read the rest of the thing.
Or are there like 10 surahs that you (or haidar or Nordic or Toxy etc) would suggest that would give someone an overview of Islam?
The reason I would like to read directly from the Qu'ran is to not have anyone's already formed opinion flavor what I read.
Thanks everyone for your input :)
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Reading the Quran, then taking into consideration that it is the direct words of God, that are not to be interpretated, it certainly explains a lot.
It has depths of meaning, certainly there's the literal one but you are hugely mistaken in saying that there's only as much as u see on the surface. I advise you to stay shut on this topic, thanks ;)
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Nope. I don't say this because of nordic or anyone else.
I am an amateur scholar of Arab and Islamic history, in my spare time :)
Mohammad was a pedo. NEXT.
I wish I could just squeeeezzzze all the fat out of yer head.
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I wish I could just squeeeezzzze all the fat out of yer head.
Well all joking aside when I read the Koran I have not the slightest impression or inkling of divine origin. Indeed it seems thoroughly written by mortal men, at least in content since I do not know Arabic.
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Well all joking aside when I read the Koran I have not the slightest impression or inkling of divine origin. Indeed it seems thoroughly written by mortal men, at least in content since I do not know Arabic.
ahan..
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ahan..
Haider, you are beginning to seem like many a liberal theist I know, using common tactics such as: do not engage in real debate, use mysterious oneliners, regard concrete questions as silly, stupid or irrelevant and a general bobbing and weaving.
As I said earlier, either the Koran is a magic book or as it claims itself the Final and True Word of the Creator of the Universe or it is (the more likely possibility) a book cobbled together in the early Middle Ages from various sources, Jewish, Syriac, Persian and local, thereafter having been used to legitimate a religion with a foundational text. This would be nothing new. The ancient Jews did this with the Old Testament. Based on what you have written you believe the Koran to be divinely inspired. Can you provide evidence for this belief such as why and examples supporting the divine origin?
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You're too quick to judge, Mister. This is a difficult territory, where the "theist" -like I- and the "atheist"- like Fatassdude82- meet. They both have different approaches and basically speak a different tongue, some times each one as dogmatic as the other. I'm having difficulty here with the communication- the frequencies don't quite match and I'm not expert enough to be able to deal with this, nor do I really care to defend myself in a manner that is suited to you.
Basically I'm just in a piss poor position to deal with the issue at hand, which isn't as simple as proving to you how magical the Qur'an is. We're dealing with different mindsets here, and radically different approaches to the subject matter.
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You're too quick to judge, Mister. This is a difficult territory, where the "theist" -like I- and the "atheist"- like Fatassdude82- meet. They both have different approaches and basically speak a different tongue, some times each one as dogmatic as the other. I'm having difficulty here with the communication- the frequencies don't quite match and I'm not expert enough to be able to deal with this, nor do I really care to defend myself in a manner that is suited to you.
Basically I'm just in a piss poor position to deal with the issue at hand, which isn't as simple as proving to you how magical the Qur'an is. We're dealing with different mindsets here, and radically different approaches to the subject matter.
You want to keep your beliefs private and to yourself? That's great. That's the way it's supposed to be. ;)
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You want to keep your beliefs private and to yourself? That's great. That's the way it's supposed to be. ;)
Whatever you wish to make of that :)
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Whatever you wish to make of that :)
I could make much of it but the phrase 'you just don't get it' on your part comes to mind...and it is a real shame...
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I could make much of it but the phrase 'you just don't get it' on your part comes to mind...and it is a real shame...
Very impressive, honestly didn't think you would catch that ;D
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A bit too blunt though, I have to add :P
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Very impressive, honestly didn't think you would catch that ;D
What's there to not catch? This is typical liberal religious rhetoric. 'I know something special that you don't understand.' It's silly and immature to say the least.
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What's there to not catch? This is typical liberal religious rhetoric. 'I know something special that you don't understand.' It's silly and immature to say the least.
what am I supposed to tell u, that your approach is the right way? Too arrogant to think that you have the understanding of something you have no experience of.
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what am I supposed to tell u, that your approach is the right way? Too arrogant to think that you have the understanding of something you have no experience of.
No, you ought to describe your experience and provide what you consider evidence for this experience. If you believe the Koran is of divine origin then provide evidence for this.
In all seriousness you are beginning to come across as the arrogant believer who has the experience that no one else can comprehend...
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You are completely wrong, perhaps you're offended by my comments. Does sound like you really don't like theists though; your perceptions of them and biases also seem to affect the way you judge me, and view me as a person ;D I'm sorry but it is clear how preconceptions/biases (that stem from your background) add to the difficulty here... the best that comes of this is that you can kinda see my point of view, and the worst that we just walk away like we never knew talked about this.. I've already told you about my unwillingness and incapability as it pertains to handling the subject well.
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You are completely wrong, perhaps you're offended by my comments. Does sound like you really don't like theists though; your perceptions of them and biases also seem to affect the way you judge me, and view me as a person ;D I'm sorry but it is clear how preconceptions/biases (that stem from your background) add to the difficulty here... the best that comes of this is that you can kinda see my point of view, and the worst that we just walk away like we never knew talked about this.. I've already told you about my unwillingness and incapability as it pertains to handling the subject well.
Do you get along with anyone? :-\
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Do you get along with anyone? :-\
doesn't help being brown and muslim a the same time, aprreciatte the concern though :-\
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You are completely wrong, perhaps you're offended by my comments. Does sound like you really don't like theists though; your perceptions of them and biases also seem to affect the way you judge me, and view me as a person ;D I'm sorry but it is clear how preconceptions/biases (that stem from your background) add to the difficulty here... the best that comes of this is that you can kinda see my point of view, and the worst that we just walk away like we never knew talked about this.. I've already told you about my unwillingness and incapability as it pertains to handling the subject well.
That's fine. I am going to go eat some bacon. ;D
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hey you said she ws 9..prove it
or prove to me that he actually fucked her ater he married her at 9...
cause a LOT of muslim men at the time married young slaves to free em...
either way...mate..you're argueging with a guy that believes that islam..christianity and the jewish faith are all bullshit...
the egyptian pyramids point EXACTLY to true N S E and W...a task that to this day costs millions if done as precisely as the pyramids..
get it?
HOW??? and WHY BOTHER???
or why does and apple kept inside the great pyramid degrade much much slower than one outside..
or why cant one even slide a blade in between the great stones of the pyramids? cause aren;'t they hand made??
The amount of nonsense that comes out of your mouth is ridiculous.
I gave my evidence, see my previous posts in this thread.
There's a huge error in your responce here: "or prove to me that he actually fucked her ater he married her at 9"
He didn't fuck her after they got married. They wed when she was 6. The marriage was consumated when she was 9. So he abstained sex with her until she was 9. See my sources.
I asked simply for your sources regarding her age being 16. Still yet to see these materialise.
After that statement your post goes into drivel, I really don't know what to make of it.
Lay off the coke.
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my mum has never worn a viel and considers herself a good muslim...hey those snakehandlers and polygmists also consider themselves christians right?
from what i know all the koran says is " to cover up in a manner so as not to entice sexual thought from the opposite sex" and that goes for men AND women.....nowhere does it say ya gotta cover up as the taliban woman do..
ayesha ws what 16? ok so..if you consider him a pedo you r just being ethnocentric in time...
it ws prolly general custom in that time for girls to marry that young..soo EVERYONE in that time according 2 u ws a pedo..
you listen to nord too much...who time n again has proven himself to be a fuck tard..look at it this way....i never post in 99.9% of his threads..he shows up in every one of mine.. :-\
You can consider Nordic a fcuktard how much you want.
It doesn't change the facts that are in the Qu'ran.
And your mother considers herself a good muslim? Doesn't matter what she believes TBH. The only thing that matters is the Qu'ran. Why? Because it is uninterpretable. It is the direct words of Allah.
And in any other case, this would probably been good enough for your scientifically scholared mind to discard Islam and anyone who believed in that hogwash. But for some reason, you won't let go.
Look past what Nordic is. And instead look at the fact he states. What of it is not true?
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It has depths of meaning, certainly there's the literal one but you are hugely mistaken in saying that there's only as much as u see on the surface. I advise you to stay shut on this topic, thanks ;)
My wording was incorrect, sorry about that.
What I meant was that the Qu'ran is infallible.
What is written in the Qu'ran is the truth, and Islam can never change.
Comparison:
In Christianity, homosexuality has for years been considered a big sin. Not so anymore, at least parts of the Christian Community is accepting homosexuality.
They do so because "Jesus loves everyone", and tolerance and acceptance are key words to these Christians.
And these Christians interprets this to be more important, and even making the Leviticus 18:22 anti-gay phrase "you shall not lie with a man, as one lays with a woman" obsolete (there are plenty of others in the old testament).
This would not have been possible, if the Bible were the direct words of God. Then, Christians would've been bound to be anti-Gay, whether they liked it or not.
In other words: If you think the Qu'ran is wrong in one single issue:, you cannot , you should not , be a Muslim.
You can't "just" believe in Allah, but not in the Qu'ran either, (comparison: lots of Christians claims they believe in God and Jesus but don't believe the Bible).
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Look past what Nordic is.
Erm, expand on this... >:(
In other words: If you think the Qu'ran is wrong in one single issue:, you cannot , you should not , be a Muslim.
There are actually verse in the koran covering this exact topic.
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You can consider Nordic a fcuktard how much you want.
It doesn't change the facts that are in the Qu'ran.
And your mother considers herself a good muslim? Doesn't matter what she believes TBH. The only thing that matters is the Qu'ran. Why? Because it is uninterpretable. It is the direct words of Allah.
And in any other case, this would probably been good enough for your scientifically scholared mind to discard Islam and anyone who believed in that hogwash. But for some reason, you won't let go.
Look past what Nordic is. And instead look at the fact he states. What of it is not true?
have u read the koran?
yeesh now ya sound as bad as nord...
the koran is a religion of eeeeeevaaaal...
yeah lemme play your game and totally believe all swedes are pussies eh! no army! ;D
see that works both ways...look mate on days i actually dont drink...you aint gonna win.. ;)
just be thankfull i'm a drunk and for the most part i post drunk and dont make sence... :)
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You are a loser.
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have u read the koran?
Yes I have.
Question is, what have you read of the Qu'ran?
yeesh now ya sound as bad as nord...
the koran is a religion of eeeeeevaaaal...
I would be very interested and happy to see you intellectually counter any of my arguments.
yeah lemme play your game and totally believe all swedes are pussies eh! no army! ;D
see that works both ways...look mate on days i actually dont drink...you aint gonna win.. ;)
just be thankfull i'm a drunk and for the most part i post drunk and dont make sence... :)
Hopefully, you can kick your habit.
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Toxic has NEVER read the koran.
His basic knowledge in matters such as Aisha are evidence of this.
I still await your evidence she was 16. Why is it so hard to find this evidence? Why is it so easy for my to find evidence solidifying my statements (direct from well respected islamic literature, INCLUDING THE KORAN).
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Yes I have.
Question is, what have you read of the Qu'ran?
I would be very interested and happy to see you intellectually counter any of my arguments.
Hopefully, you can kick your habit.
He went to University of Maryland, they all drink :-\
I do want to see him sober up, though.
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He went to University of Maryland, they all drink :-\
I do want to see him sober up, though.
What's his degree in? ???
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Question is, what have you read of the Qu'ran?
i dont mean online
I would be very interested and happy to see you intellectually counter any of my arguments.
i'd like to see you make an agrument first.. :-\
Hopefully, you can kick your habit.
i got a girlfriend missing 2 kidneys..my life right now revolvs around hospitals and dylasis centers..and medical bills..and getting in as many classes as possible as i can pay her bills..
the habit aint going no where soon..
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What's his degree in? ???
i started college at 15 and quit at 19
if i had finished..it woulda been biology..with a fair amounts of astronomy and physics, kineasology classes thrown in...
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i started college at 15 and quit at 19
if i had finished..it woulda been biology..with a fair amounts of astronomy and physics, kineasology classes thrown in...
We've been through this, if by 15 you mean your time spent at "Cambridge", then that's false. GCSE boy.
You have no intellectual game. This thread is clear evidence.
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We've been through this, if by 15 you mean your time spent at "Cambridge", then that's false. GCSE boy.
You have no intellectual game. This thread is clear evidence.
lol in 1992 i ws in Amreeka Mr fucktard...
there ws a kidnapping attempt on my brother and i...my brother got shot in the foot (toe actually) and we up n moved..and i started UMCP
yes i finished high school at 14...
;)
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lol in 1992 i ws in Amreeka Mr fucktard...
there ws a kidnapping attempt on my brother and i...my brother got shot in the foot (toe actually) and we up n moved..and i started UMCP
yes i finished high school at 14...
;)
Story changes everyday!
Family of gangsters too... nice!
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Story changes everyday!
Family of gangsters too... nice!
story has remained the same ..
anyhow if muslims oppress women so much how come pakistan has had a female prime minister ?
pwned! :)
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story has remained the same ..
anyhow if muslims oppress women so much how come pakistan has had a female prime minister ?
pwned! :)
How does that own me? ???
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE AISHA WAS 16?
Hahaha, you are STUPID.
PS I thought you went to Cambridge Uni to do you GCSE's? ??? (not that it's even possible)
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PS I thought you went to Cambridge Uni to do you GCSE's? ??? (not that it's even possible)
stupid people get their GCSE..i did my O and A levels before they changed it to GCSE (ie watered down versin)
as for what i did for my high school how is that relevant to this thread?
you r grasping at straws...swim nordic swim!
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stupid people get their GCSE..i did my O and A levels before they changed it to GCSE (ie watered down versin)
as for what i did for my high school how is that relevant to this thread?
you r grasping at straws...swim nordic swim!
Every Britain has to do GCSE's to progress to A-Levels and then onto a degree.
Grasping at straws? You are thick as pig shit mate.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE AISHA WAS 16? YOU HAVE NONE DO YOU?
You're a pathetic loser. Exposed as the lying coward you are. :-*
Good day to you sir.
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Every Britain has to do GCSE's to progress to A-Levels and then onto a degree.
Grasping at straws? You are thick as pig shit mate.
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE AISHA WAS 16? YOU HAVE NONE DO YOU?
You're a pathetic loser. Exposed as the lying coward you are. :-*
Good day to you sir.
the GCSE is the NEWER version of the O-levels..the old version ws far tougher but when loser pieces of dumb shit like yourself started flunking against their asian counter parts (and when a few japanese kids commited suicide) they made the test easier and it went from being just plain O-levels to GCSE O-levels..so dumb fuck loser pieces of shit like yourself wouldn't feel inferior to the japs and brownies..
as for Ayesha ...even if she ws 12 Mohammed did a good thing by marrying her and freeing her as a slave..only a sick twisted piece of shit like yourself would immediately comclude that he fucked her after....cause only a sick twisted piece of shit would entertain such a thought in the first place
and i'd wish you a good day also but i for the life of me cannot call you Sir not would i want someone that thinks about fucking 12 yr old girls to have a good day...
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ayesha ws what 16? ok so..if you consider him a pedo you r just being ethnocentric in time...
If the marriage happened at 6 or 7, and consumated at 9, it seems pretty far off from 16.
Question is, why are you trying to defend a historical person, a known pedophile, when you're not even subscribing to the faith that person started up?
Why not ask your mother what she would think if a man married and started to have sex with small girls at the age of 9 today.
Don't be a dead fish in the sea Toxy.
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the GCSE is the NEWER version of the O-levels..the old version ws far tougher but when loser pieces of dumb shit like yourself started flunking against their asian counter parts (and when a few japanese kids commited suicide) they made the test easier and it went from being just plain O-levels to GCSE O-levels..so dumb fuck loser pieces of shit like yourself wouldn't feel inferior to the japs and brownies..
Haha, ok ::)
References? Funny how the brownies take dumbified tests in the armed services etc isn't it? Dumb shit...
as for Ayesha ...even if she ws 12 Mohammed did a good thing by marrying her and freeing her as a slave..only a sick twisted piece of shit like yourself would immediately comclude that he fucked her after....cause only a sick twisted piece of shit would entertain such a thought in the first place
and i'd wish you a good day also but i for the life of me cannot call you Sir not would i want someone that thinks about fucking 12 yr old girls to have a good day...
12?
She was 9 when the marriage was consumated, they were married when she was 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha
She wasn't a slave. Please provide evidence/references describing she was a slave.
You are a lying coward.
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If the marriage happened at 6 or 7, and consumated at 9, it seems pretty far off from 16.
how do you know he fucked her at 9?? exactly how? cause some website said so..and now its 6 he married her?
and why do i stand up for islam....cause despite the fact that i dont believe in god the religion as a whole i do believe is a sound one and out of juaidism , christianity and islam ..also the most scientific one...the latter being why i defend it.
Its been shat on people bought it hook line sinker..yet our president is close friends with the osama family..and yet we continue buying oil from the muslims..a tad hypocritical dont ya think? and hy[pocracy i rate right down there with rape...except you just end up raping your own conscience..
http://www.quran-islam.org/112.html
not to mention the koran mentions the moon as a satellite..
and how about THIS one...advanced geometric patterns
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6389157.stm
..dont go reading about " quranic translations" on the web..a URL can be changed to say anything...i can make an anti bbing site..and change the URL to say "bbing..the truth" .. :-\
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha
wiki..didchcha just modify that ?? lmao what a piece of shit you are...
and you dont have a single picture on getbig...you have plenty of pix of mine and even know where i work www.asmed.com...you say what you say with anonymity...i say it to your face while you know who i am...you hide like a puss.i dont..
who is the coward now BITCH!?
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how do you know he fucked her at 9?? exactly how? cause some website said so..and now its 6 he married her?
Check this:
http://www.exmuslim.com/com/evidence.htm
and why do i stand up for islam....cause despite the fact that i dont believe in god the religion as a whole i do believe is a sound one
What is sound with a religion that tolerates slavery, is against regular homosexuality, but supports pedophilia?
(Slavery)
Sura 4, Verse 92.
4.92: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a covenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively:
Anti-Gay (Koran 4:16)
If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish
them both...
(Koran 27:55)
Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather
than Women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!
Pro-Pedophilia (Koran 52:24)
Round about them will serve, to them, boys
(handsome) as pearls well-guarded.
(Koran 56:17)
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual
freshness.
(Koran 76:19)
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual
freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think
them scattered pearls.
and out of juaidism , christianity and islam ..also the most scientific one...the latter being why i defend it.
The most scientific one? But what if it's still not right?
Its been shat on people bought it hook line sinker..yet our president is close friends with the osama family..and yet we continue buying oil from the muslims..a tad hypocritical dont ya think? and hy[pocracy i rate right down there with rape...except you just end up raping your own conscience..
What does all this have to do with whether Islam is a sound religion or not? You being a scholar, if anyone, should be able to objectively discuss and challenge Islam.
http://www.quran-islam.org/112.html
not to mention the koran mentions the moon as a satellite..
and how about THIS one...advanced geometric patterns
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6389157.stm
The Qu'ran could have a lot of theories right for all I care. As long as not everything isn't right, it cannot even be considered. And the views on eg homosexuality is by itself reason enough to discard Islam as a piece of shit religion. The way women are portrayed in the Qu'ran is another.
BTW, Islam ment improvement for women. AT THAT TIME. But it is medieval. And times are a-changing. And so should all the Muslims in the world. They should drop their religion and become free.
..dont go reading about " quranic translations" on the web..a URL can be changed to say anything...i can make an anti bbing site..and change the URL to say "bbing..the truth" .. :-\
I've read a translation which has been around for years, and has very good recognition.
And it was a book. A real book. I read the Qu'ran for the first time in 1993. How about you Toxy, when did you read the Qu'ran?
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and why do i stand up for islam....cause despite the fact that i dont believe in god the religion as a whole i do believe is a sound one and out of juaidism , christianity and islam ..also the most scientific one...the latter being why i defend it.
Not only do I disagree with your assertion I'm also extremely amused by your logic.
Nazism is more "scientific" than islam. Why not defend Nazism?
wiki..didchcha just modify that ?? lmao what a piece of shit you are...
Oh yeah, Wikipedia is the only source of evidence I could use... it's not like it references revered Hadiths or anything ::)
and you dont have a single picture on getbig...you have plenty of pix of mine and even know where i work www.asmed.com...you say what you say with anonymity...i say it to your face while you know who i am...you hide like a puss.i dont..
who is the coward now BITCH!?
Does Hedge have a pic? Does he chose to expose his place of work? Realise this: not everyone is a self centered attention seeker like you. (Not to mention a dissilusioned lying coward).
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Not only do I disagree with your assertion I'm also extremely amused by your logic.
Nazism is more "scientific" than islam. Why not defend Nazism?
really...r you THAT stupid??
Oh yeah, Wikipedia is the only source of evidence I could use... it's not like it references revered Hadiths or anything ::)
changing URLs is soo 3 yrs ago on teh X :-\ you gotta learn yourself another trick munkey..
Does Hedge have a pic? Does he chose to expose his place of work? Realise this: not everyone is a self centered attention seeker like you. (Not to mention a dissilusioned lying coward).
yes headgie has posted pictures on the gossip before...
even squat fatter with his many chins has...
you are the BITCH here....and a coward to boot..
when i use the N word on here people at least peope know where i work..and have my home phone #..i dont hide behind the screen like your punk ass!
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Totally illogical non-sense.
URLs/Wikipedia content can be changed. The references to the HADITHS not so easily. Of course you've never actually read the koran/hadiths.
This providing a picture angle you're trying to work is pathetic. Shows how weak your position is on this matter when you play these games :-\
Why don't you and Squadfatter meet up? Bring Div along and you can a sandwiche by 2 fat bastards. Let the good times roll!
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Why don't you and Squadfatter meet up? Bring Div along and you can a sandwiche by 2 fat bastards. Let the good times roll!
again excuses instead of a pic...
you r a coward and a BITCH!
post a pic..put a face behind your words...or r you too much or a puss?
ahh watcha expect..the queens son ws about to go to war and your country calls ALL THE TROOPS BACK!
and yall have yet to do a single thing about the extremists in your towns...bunch of bitches! :-\
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Sorry, I didn't realise this thread was about me not having a picture to "put a face to the voice" ::)
Absolute lying little coward aren't yah? :-*
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Sorry, I didn't realise this thread was about me not having a picture to "put a face to the voice" ::)
Absolute lying little coward aren't yah? :-*
which one of us hides behind the computer screen?
again..pwned! no actually self pwned!
pathetic..
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again..pwned! no actually self pwned!
pathetic..
Haha, you're a lunatic.
Your characteristics:
- Liar
- Coward
- Some kind of mental illness
- Denial
- Lacking intelligence
- Delusional
- Obnoxious
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Lets stick with the topic at hand shall we.
Toxy, do you think Islam has "sound" values in regards to women, pedophilia and homosexuality?
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It doesn't even have sound values regarding science.
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And times are a-changing. And so should all the Muslims in the world. They should drop their religion and become free.
They wont drop their religion.
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Lets stick with the topic at hand shall we.
Toxy, do you think Islam has "sound" values in regards to women, pedophilia and homosexuality?
there is a national geographic about woman and islam that comes on every few months...catch it..
it ws islam that broth forth the rights of women , children and orphans back in the olden days..
Rape is punishable by death...no questions asked...
the koran says " heaven lies under your mothers feet"
women aren't supposed to be veiled up nah " MEN AND WOMEN are supposed to cover up so as not to entice sexual thought" ..seems fair to me..
now if you talking about the taliban...well thats just not islam...unless the christians on this site are willing to consider snake handling and polygamy as part of christianity also...tit 4 tat...
as for the rights of gays..well mate i just dont think islam gives em a fair shake..as far as gays go..islam is plain extreme and wrong..i said its the best out of the 3 monothestic religions..i didn't say it ws perfect..
pedophilia..after a girl reaches puberty..if she marries..who cares..many different cultures around the world have and used to marry young..nords the one to talk..look up how early girls were married off during the last century in goold ole england..you are confusing pedophelia with your subcultural ethnocentrism :-\
mohammed freed a slave..Ayesha..if he hadn't married her ..well you can predict what woulda happened to a female slave..or must i spell it out? did he fuck her after..well i'd hope not..however either way you r defining pedophelia within TODAYS social constructs..and you should be smart enough not to do that but you insist on it and with that i cant argue..
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Haha, you're a lunatic.
Your characteristics:
- Liar
- Coward
- Some kind of mental illness
- Denial
- Lacking intelligence
- Delusional
- Obnoxious
Liar..what did i lie about again?
coawrd..hmm you know where i work and have my phone #...you r the faceless nameless one around here!
mental illness..hmm you seem to take some sorta glee in defaming others ...who posted that subtle ::) whites r better then blacks thread on the politix.. :-\ and i'm ill...right
delusional..well when i'm drunk mayhap..but most of what i say i've posted pix to back up
obnxious...well thankyou! smart people usually are! :-*
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there is a national geographic about woman and islam that comes on every few months...catch it..
it ws islam that broth forth the rights of women , children and orphans back in the olden days..
Rape is punishable by death...no questions asked...
the koran says " heaven lies under your mothers feet"
women aren't supposed to be veiled up nah " MEN AND WOMEN are supposed to cover up so as not to entice sexual thought" ..seems fair to me..
now if you talking about the taliban...well thats just not islam...unless the christians on this site are willing to consider snake handling and polygamy as part of christianity also...tit 4 tat...
as for the rights of gays..well mate i just dont think islam gives em a fair shake..as far as gays go..islam is plain extreme and wrong..i said its the best out of the 3 monothestic religions..i didn't say it ws perfect..
pedophilia..after a girl reaches puberty..if she marries..who cares..many different cultures around the world have and used to marry young..nords the one to talk..look up how early girls were married off during the last century in goold ole england..you are confusing pedophelia with your subcultural ethnocentrism :-\
mohammed freed a slave..Ayesha..if he hadn't married her ..well you can predict what woulda happened to a female slave..or must i spell it out? did he fuck her after..well i'd hope not..however either way you r defining pedophelia within TODAYS social constructs..and you should be smart enough not to do that but you insist on it and with that i cant argue..
Rape is punisheable by death if the women bares 4 muslim witnesses to the rape. This is why so many perpotrators of rape continue to walk free in islamic countries. If the women doesn't bare 4 muslim witnesses she may be tried for adultery. http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257977.htm
Covering ones self doesn't seem fair to me. Maybe muslims are animals which need to be chastised in this manner. I certainly am not.
Taliban are probably more adhering to allahs ways than your parents.
Islam comes away as the runaway loser in regards to the 3 abrhamic religions and progession of humanity.
Islam isn't bound by culture. It's the framework for one to live life. Muhammad was the best muslim and is the perfect example of how a muslim should behave.
Once again, Aisha WASN'T a slave. Find me references of her being a slave. She wasn't. She was presented to muhammad, and that sick bastard simply wed her and consumated the marriage when she was of age 9.
Social contructs don't exist in the koran. The koran is infallible and will be for eternity for it is a perfect copy of the mother of books which has been beside allah since the beginning of time.
Liar..what did i lie about again?
coawrd..hmm you know where i work and have my phone #...you r the faceless nameless one around here!
mental illness..hmm you seem to take some sorta glee in defaming others ...who posted that subtle ::) whites r better then blacks thread on the politix.. :-\ and i'm ill...right
delusional..well when i'm drunk mayhap..but most of what i say i've posted pix to back up
obnxious...well thankyou! smart people usually are! :-*
I have outlined your lies and your continued attempts to spread ficticious information above.
I never said whites are better than blacks. Now you're being stupid :-\ (again)
You're not smart pal.
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there is a national geographic about woman and islam that comes on every few months...catch it..
it ws islam that broth forth the rights of women , children and orphans back in the olden days..
Rape is punishable by death...no questions asked...
the koran says " heaven lies under your mothers feet"
women aren't supposed to be veiled up nah " MEN AND WOMEN are supposed to cover up so as not to entice sexual thought" ..seems fair to me..
If a woman is found guilty of adultery, she is to be killed. But a man does not face the same fate.
And is death sentance really a justified sentance for rape?
Any religion that preaches that kind of non-tolerance is BS in my book.
Apparently not in your.
now if you talking about the taliban...well thats just not islam...unless the christians on this site are willing to consider snake handling and polygamy as part of christianity also...tit 4 tat...
Why are you bringing Christianity into this? We're discussing problems in Islam and the Qu'ran here. Don't see the relevance. Try to stay on topic, please.
as for the rights of gays..well mate i just dont think islam gives em a fair shake..as far as gays go..islam is plain extreme and wrong..i said its the best out of the 3 monothestic religions..i didn't say it ws perfect..
Just because it's the least shitty, doesn't make it sound.
cause despite the fact that i dont believe in god the religion as a whole i do believe is a sound one
pedophilia..after a girl reaches puberty..if she marries..who cares..many different cultures around the world have and used to marry young..nords the one to talk..look up how early girls were married off during the last century in goold ole england..you are confusing pedophelia with your subcultural ethnocentrism :-\
mohammed freed a slave..Ayesha..if he hadn't married her ..well you can predict what woulda happened to a female slave..or must i spell it out? did he fuck her after..well i'd hope not..however either way you r defining pedophelia within TODAYS social constructs..and you should be smart enough not to do that but you insist on it and with that i cant argue..
Who cares?
I care.
I don't think girls should be with grown up males just because they reaches puberty. In some ethnicities, the girls reach puberty very early, at age 9-10. I still don't think that's ok.
We seem to have different opinions on what is legal age for sex, womens rights et al.
And that is ok.
But from what I can tell, your opinions I cannot really respect. Since you do not have, IMO, sound democratic values.
But your analysis is almost right - I'm an ethno centrist, and firmly believes that my own culture is superior to other cultures.
Don't confuse this with racism however, or that I would think that my own culture is perfect. I do not.
But democracy and equality indexes indicates that Scandinavia is in the top when it comes to developed societies.
At least, it's not even comparable to the struggles that faces women in the 3rd world, often Muslim countries.
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Hedge, I wish you criticise him for his false information. Aisha a slave? ???
What about the simple fact that a women needs to bare 4 witnesses to her rape and if she doesn't has the high chance of being tried for adultery which capital punishment could be applied (in relation to sharia law).
But your analysis is almost right - I'm an ethno centrist, and firmly believes that my own culture is superior to other cultures.
Yes, no one in the west should be ashamed to say our culture is superior. I certainly am not.
Of course the PC deems this offensive.
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If a woman is found guilty of adultery, she is to be killed. But a man does not face the same fate.
you r confusing religion for culture...go read the koran...the punishment applies to BOTH genders...just cause it dosen't happen aplies to culture..hedgie you r smarter than this...
And is death sentance really a justified sentance for rape?
lemme fuck your mum hard and quick and lets ee your feelings about that one after ye...
YES rapists should be put to death in the cruelest way...make it hurt till they beg for death...its fitting.and chivalrous..
Any religion that preaches that kind of non-tolerance is BS in my book.
yeah yeah hordes of your kind want rapists to be let go free till their sister gets raped...non tolerance my ass...there is progressive..and then being plain stupid...
Why are you bringing Christianity into this? We're discussing problems in Islam and the Qu'ran here. Don't see the relevance. Try to stay on topic, please.
its a fair argument..you cannot have 1 standard of judgement for islam and a different one for christians...or do you?
Just because it's the least shitty, doesn't make it sound.
on the rest you lost me..its just ethnocentric dribble.meh...neither you nor i can change or or shit about it....
people like me at least try to bring together some harmony..you insist on labels..well..so do tghe taliban...
you r incapable of stepping out of the box..so is the taliban
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The contrast in laws in the koran between men and women is well established with anyone who has ANY basic understand/knowledge of the koran.
You have clearly never researched a single thing in the koran. Your ignorance confirms this.
Koran: Women gets raped, requires 4 muslim witnesses. Man doesn't.
The koran trancends culture, for it is all knowing, forever and always.
Idiot.
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you r confusing religion for culture...go read the koran...the punishment applies to BOTH genders...just cause it dosen't happen aplies to culture..hedgie you r smarter than this...
I read the Qu'ran.
Men and women are not equals in the Qu'ran.
If a woman is cheating on her husband, she gets the death penalty. A man does not.
If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
lemme fuck your mum hard and quick and lets ee your feelings about that one after ye...
YES rapists should be put to death in the cruelest way...make it hurt till they beg for death...its fitting.and chivalrous..
Lets just assume for a minute that the death penalty would be ok for rape.
Studies shows that there are a lot of males falsely accused, and even convicted, of rape. I think I saw a number in a recent study, where more than 5% of all convicted rapists were innocent.
And you claim death penalty is fitting for rape.
What's your take on all the innocent guys that are convicted?
yeah yeah hordes of your kind want rapists to be let go free till their sister gets raped...non tolerance my ass...there is progressive..and then being plain stupid...
Where did I ever state that I want rapists to go free? You're the one who claims that grown men should be allowed to marry girls, as long as they've reached puberty.
I see that as violation of a child. You apparently don't.
its a fair argument..you cannot have 1 standard of judgement for islam and a different one for christians...or do you?
Of course not. I would never dream of having different standards for anyone.
That is kind of the point here. That is why I am slamming down on Islam so hard.
Because I judge it by the same moral standard that I judge myself and my own society by.
Unlike multi culti hugging leftist apologists.
I wouldn't stone a woman. Or prevent her from riding a bike, or take part in phys ed (if she was my daughter).
on the rest you lost me..its just ethnocentric dribble.meh...neither you nor i can change or or shit about it....
people like me at least try to bring together some harmony..you insist on labels..well..so do tghe taliban...
you r incapable of stepping out of the box..so is the taliban
As far as the Talibans, there is an important difference:
I am more right than them.
I am more democratic, have a more equal perspective on women, et al.
However, with all these opinions of mine, very anti-Islam to say the least, do I agree with George Bush?
Hell no.
I think military aggression towards the Islamic community is counter-productive, and even dangerous.
Best way to turn these people into democratic enlightened beings, is to treat them decent.
Of course, diplomacy always calls for some hardballing. But using goodwill, opening up trade relations and becoming friends in general, is the smart way to "fight" Islam.
And of course, I do not support torture. Ever. Regardless of who is being tortured. So I definitely think the whole shit with Abu Ghrayib, Guantanamo, and Egypt is fcuked.
You suggested I had different standards for different issues.
I disagree. And I think you actually have different standards.
You constantly bashes USA for its crimes of war, and I agree on a lot of that.
But you have a faiblesse for turning a blind eye when crimes a committed by enemies of the USA.
Like every other apologist.
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hedgie i didn't really read all that...
you have not read the koran...and no matter what i say i'm not gonna change your mind...
reconsiliation is NOT an option for you...neither is it for the taliban...
like the taliban..u r a lost cause...you r just articulate enough to hide it for the most part..
meh...
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hedgie i didn't really read all that...
you have not read the koran...and no matter what i say i'm not gonna change your mind...
reconsiliation is NOT an option for you...neither is it for the taliban...
like the taliban..u r a lost cause...you r just articulate enough to hide it for the most part..
meh...
I try to have an intellectual argument with you. I refuse to believe that you're an idiot.
Then you suddenly decides that my reply is not worthy of a response, or even to be read? You refuse to engage in further intellectual discussion with me.
Instead you, the one who represents an anti-intellectual position in this discussion, likens me to the Talibans, the very symbol of anti-intellectualism.
The irony in that.
The thing that pisses me off, is that you're once again making this into a personal matter. About what I am. Not what Islam is.
This is standard modus operandi for you, when your arguments fail, you resort to personal attacks.
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you have not read the koran...and no matter what i say i'm not gonna change your mind...
Really now, how stupid are you?
A rock < Toxics IQ < A slug
I try to have an intellectual argument with you. I refuse to believe that you're an idiot.
Man you're the definition of a liberal apologist.
Everything he's said in this thread is idiotic. (You won't agree, you're an apologist afterall)
But still he can't possibly be an idiot! Oh no!
Muslims are raping young women in Sweden prolifically, but it's nothing to do with islam, immigrant culture or even the immigrants themselves... for it is our fault!
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Man you're the definition of a liberal apologist.
Everything he's said in this thread is idiotic. (You won't agree, you're an apologist afterall)
But still he can't possibly be an idiot! Oh no!
Muslims are raping young women in Sweden prolifically, but it's nothing to do with islam, immigrant culture or even the immigrants themselves... for it is our fault!
You need to see the bigger picture.
The beautiful thing with me repeatedly trying to reason with Toxy:
He is only hurting himself and his own arguments. And the intellectual approach leaves guys like Toxy out of arguments.
Whereas the classic dumb anti-Muslim hate propaganda gives him and his apologists the usual "racist" cop-out.
That's why I hate dumb racist motherfcukers who are messing up any effort to get rid of Islam or to slam down on these anti-female cultures.
As long as the discourse is kept to strict facts, guys like Toxy don't stand a chance.
Unfortunately, the anti-Muslim discourse in Sweden is currently owned by disgusting Nationalists, lowlife scums who I'd never associate myself with.
It is very unfortunate, and dangerous. These people are anti-democratic, and definitely not fit to govern anything.
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Just to let to know, islam isn't a race.
Anyone who uses the race card in defence of islam can easily be refuted.
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Just to let to know, islam isn't a race.
Anyone who uses the race card in defence of islam can easily be refuted.
riiiight....why did you post that "blacks are IQ inferior thread on the politix again?"
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What "book" - if that is what they are called - of the Qu'ran would you suggest someone read that encompasses it's jist?
For instance, if someone agreed to read only one book of the bible, I would perhaps suggest they read the book of John.
Hedgehog, haidar, Toxy, Nordic etc. what "book" would you suggest? Thanks!
Who gives a shit, Muslims are the scum of the earth!
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riiiight....why did you post that "blacks are IQ inferior thread on the politix again?"
Read the thread. Nowhere did I state blacks are inferior.
Are you able to quote me on that?
I simply said their are genetic variations in races which leads to different bone structures and more clearly skin colour. So in my logic it is very sensible to believe intelligence is effected too.
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Read the thread. Nowhere did I state blacks are inferior.
Are you able to quite me on that?
I simply said their are genetic variations in races which leads to different bone structures and more clearly skin colour. So in my logic it is very sensible to believe intelligence is effected too.
Hat to say this, but various studies, most notably by Vanhanen, backs Nordic up on this one.
IQ and the Wealth of Nations is Vanhanen's most famous work.
The theory is basically that people in Africa and similar hot places never were forced/stimulated to use their brain, and thus that intelligence wasn't as vital for survival in those areas. Other traits ranked higher.
Eg, muscular strength, endurance, et al.
Again, this is just what I've gathered from these books.
I have really no opinion in the matter, as I don't see any practical use for racial profiling.
Many of the most brilliant persons in the world today are black: Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King.
I have friend who is a real Zulu Darkey. One of the most vital minds I've met.
And this is key: Any ethnic group can produce a brilliant mind.