Putin orders tactical nuclear weapons drills

[obsidian]

There was no foreseeable hope for Ukraine joining Nato. This was not about to happen. Russian speaking and Russian are different. If tactical nukes were used on the battlefield then that would elicit Nato intervention in a big way.

NATO will be wiped out. Russia's not playing games. They care about their territory and will be willing to go down with the ship if needed. It's no different than Israel's Samson Option. And Russia has more Nukes, more determination. The West is collapsing morally and demographically. Sweden's future is Somalia and Non Whites. Who will you bet on coming out on top, Russians or Mongrel Swedes?

[honest]

There was no foreseeable hope for Ukraine joining Nato. This was not about to happen. Russian speaking and Russian are different. If tactical nukes were used on the battlefield then that would elicit Nato intervention in a big way.

Ron you quote everything CNN but you can't find this type of stuff NBC from well before the coup {2009} and the annexation of Crimea

Washington supports Ukraine's bid to join NATO and the former Soviet republic is free to choose its own foreign policy alliances regardless of what other nations want, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden told Ukraine's president on Tuesday.

Both assertions were a shot at Russia, which vehemently opposes having its neighbors join the Western military alliance and is uncomfortable with their desire for greater economic and political integration with West.

Biden met with President Viktor Yushchenko in Kiev, then said in a speech later that if Ukraine chooses to join NATO, "which I believe you have, we strongly support that."

Polls have shown a majority of Ukrainians to be against NATO membership.

Ukrainian officials, meanwhile, were looking for signals that Washington's effort to improve ties with Moscow would not hurt its Western integration, and also for support as Russia tries to reassert some control over its former Soviet satellite states.

[illuminati]

Sending a nuke towards the UK because Putins baby the Kirch bridge is blown again aww poor big baby with his nuclear tantrums. I hope your including Russian soldiers in your casuality figure, men flung in to battle like fodder meat to gain a few little settlements here and there. Ukraine would not be safe under Russias wing, Russia is not liberating Ukraine and wants the land for its own uses. When did the West invade Russia again?

Russia is not liberating Ukraine and wants the land for its own uses.
And America Doesn't ?


When did the West invade Russia again?  They would if they thought they'd get away with it - & they've invaded plenty of other countries - were you
equally as outraged about those invasions ?

Ro I understand you have a Ukrainian girlfriend - only all you say about
Russia can also be said for America /UK & others.

[BigRo]

The USA invaded Ukraine in 2014 when they fomented a coup against the democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovych. See parts of Ukraine used to be included in Khazaria. The 2014 Ukrainian Coup was another Zionist intervention. Victoria Nulan was giving out cookies to the protesters for crying out loud.

It's too bad the Ukrainian gentiles again were genocided by the Zionists, as they were during the Holodomor.

Make no mistake, the Deep State wanted to dismantle Russia as they did Iraq and Libya. This Deep State Cabal has been active for centuries. Any peace agreement that might materialize in the next few years will be broken again at some point. Russia really has no choice but to destroy the Deep State. Trump does not have the means to do it. The US military won't do it because war is their "Bread and Butter". But perhaps they might once the dollar collapses and the Deep State loses their leverage and bargaining chips. Either way, this Cabal needs to pay for their crimes. Their entire blood line needs to be wiped out. Zero mercy! No deals can be made with them, ever. The only solution is to exterminate them.

The majority of Ukrainians wanted a new government in 2014, it was not a coup, western backed sure but its still what the people wanted. Russia has long been a big bully to Ukraine. Ukraine wants freedom and sovereignty. "The West" the evil west might be the devil Ukraine is willing to put her trust in because that devil supports her right to exist seperate from Russia. Without western support Ukraine would not have her own autonomy and you may say well she has a new ruler now then yes maybe I would agree with you but its the better of two devils. Russia is not fighting a holy war, far from it.

Ukrainian gentiles are not being genocided by Jews. Russia is not the worlds savoir.

[BigRo]

NATO will be wiped out. Russia's not playing games. They care about their territory and will be willing to go down with the ship if needed. It's no different than Israel's Samson Option. And Russia has more Nukes, more determination. The West is collapsing morally and demographically. Sweden's future is Somalia and Non Whites. Who will you bet on coming out on top, Russians or Mongrel Swedes?

Nato is a vastly superior strength than what Russia can fight with in a non nuclear capacity. Everyone knows nuclear war is total annihilation for everyone.

I don't bet on either Russia or the Mongrol Swedes coming out on top. I try to picture an outcome favourable to the great white race that does not include living under Russias empire.

[BigRo]

Ron you quote everything CNN but you can't find this type of stuff NBC from well before the coup {2009} and the annexation of Crimea

Washington supports Ukraine's bid to join NATO and the former Soviet republic is free to choose its own foreign policy alliances regardless of what other nations want, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden told Ukraine's president on Tuesday.

Both assertions were a shot at Russia, which vehemently opposes having its neighbors join the Western military alliance and is uncomfortable with their desire for greater economic and political integration with West.

Biden met with President Viktor Yushchenko in Kiev, then said in a speech later that if Ukraine chooses to join NATO, "which I believe you have, we strongly support that."

Polls have shown a majority of Ukrainians to be against NATO membership.

Ukrainian officials, meanwhile, were looking for signals that Washington's effort to improve ties with Moscow would not hurt its Western integration, and also for support as Russia tries to reassert some control over its former Soviet satellite states.

I dont watch CNN.

[BigRo]

Russia is not liberating Ukraine and wants the land for its own uses.
And America Doesn't ?


When did the West invade Russia again?  They would if they thought they'd get away with it - & they've invaded plenty of other countries - were you
equally as outraged about those invasions ?

Ro I understand you have a Ukrainian girlfriend - only all you say about
Russia can also be said for America /UK & others.

Yes America does too but America has good relations with Ukraine whether we like it or not. Russia aggressively entered Ukrainian territory spreading death and destruction. A bit different.

[honest]

Ukraine is as independent of Russia as Ireland is of Britain, hence your affection for Ukraine as deep down you really know they are as Russian as you are British.

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[illuminati]

Yes America does too but America has good relations with Ukraine whether we like it or not. Russia aggressively entered Ukrainian territory spreading death and destruction. A bit different.

You missed the 2nd part of my reply.

America has good relations with Ukraine because Biden has been cleaning $s through them
& Big Business wants to take all they can out of there.

There's no love for Ukraine otherwise just another means to an end.

[BigRo]

Ukraine is as independent of Russia as Ireland is of Britain, hence your affection for Ukraine as deep down you really know they are as Russian as you are British.

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Well that would be Vlad Putins perspective because it suits his ambitions. Imagine Ireland going over and saying this patch of England will now be called mine, it was always mine and I am just coming to take it back. 

[BigRo]

You missed the 2nd part of my reply.

America has good relations with Ukraine because Biden has been cleaning $s through them
& Big Business wants to take all they can out of there.

There's no love for Ukraine otherwise just another means to an end.

Yes maybe but Ukraine will take all the help it will get to take on the might of Russia.

[GymnJuice]

Well that would be Vlad Putins perspective because it suits his ambitions. Imagine Ireland going over and saying this patch of England will now be called mine, it was always mine and I am just coming to take it back. 

I thought that's what they tried in Belfast?

 

[Humble Narcissist]

The USA invaded Ukraine in 2014 when they fomented a coup against the democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovych. See parts of Ukraine used to be included in Khazaria. The 2014 Ukrainian Coup was another Zionist intervention. Victoria Nulan was giving out cookies to the protesters for crying out loud.

It's too bad the Ukrainian gentiles again were genocided by the Zionists, as they were during the Holodomor.

Make no mistake, the Deep State wanted to dismantle Russia as they did Iraq and Libya. This Deep State Cabal has been active for centuries. Any peace agreement that might materialize in the next few years will be broken again at some point. Russia really has no choice but to destroy the Deep State. Trump does not have the means to do it. The US military won't do it because war is their "Bread and Butter". But perhaps they might once the dollar collapses and the Deep State loses their leverage and bargaining chips. Either way, this Cabal needs to pay for their crimes. Their entire blood line needs to be wiped out. Zero mercy! No deals can be made with them, ever. The only solution is to exterminate them.

Yeah, NATO doesn't allow free elections unless they approve of the outcome.

[Griffith]

Would be more worried about the nuclear ships and submarines disintegrating in Russian harbours.

They don't have the money to remove the reactors so as the ships rust apart the radioactive waste is leaking into the ocean.

[illuminati]

Would be more worried about the nuclear ships and submarines disintegrating in Russian harbours.

They don't have the money to remove the reactors so as the ships rust apart the radioactive waste is leaking into the ocean.

Is there much to be worried about - as Chernobyl from what I've seen
is being re habited by people & animals also Nagasaki & Hiroshima seem
okay.  just maybe yet again what we were told about the dangers were either exaggerated or lies. IDK.

[BigRo]

I thought that's what they tried in Belfast?

 

Northern Irish is not a proper nationality.

[Donny]

Northern Irish is not a proper nationality.

I never had a problem with the Irish & most i met were friendly.
Was a few dickheads but mainly youngsters (as i was too) & i found the UDR were more aggressive than we were.
I remember watching the Prisoners playing football in the Maze Prison (Long Kesh what ever you want to call it)
I also remember the prison in Belfast , Crumlin Road & the prisoners were worse.
Itīs a shame i never got to see S Ireland.
I also visited Derry or as we call it Londonderry.. Got Aggro 

[BigRo]

Derry would be the correct spelling 

[Griffith]

Is there much to be worried about - as Chernobyl from what I've seen
is being re habited by people & animals also Nagasaki & Hiroshima seem
okay.  just maybe yet again what we were told about the dangers were either exaggerated or lies. IDK.

A person can only safely stay in Chernobyl for a few hours from what I understand.

Compared to Nagasaki and Hiroshima it apparently contained far more radioactive material.

The problem with radioactive material leaking into the sea is that currents slowly transfer it across long distances, far from the region.

[Donny]

Derry would be the correct spelling 

as i wrote nothing against the Irish 

[Donny]

A person can only safely stay in Chernobyl for a few hours from what I understand.

Compared to Nagasaki and Hiroshima it apparently contained far more radioactive material.

The problem with radioactive material leaking into the sea is that currents slowly transfer it across long distances, far from the region.

I think Putin is talking about "Tactical Nukes"  which will hit a planned area & of course will cause serious problems for an advancing army.
I believe OneMoreRep is an ex Gunner in the Marines so he will know this.
Back in the day we were tought to fire a Nuclear round on the M109 Gun as did the other American Guns the M107, M110 which we British used in Germany.

[Fortress]

If anyone nukes anyone, it will be a mistake, more than likely.

No sane individual wants to instigate that hell.

Of course, filthy Muzzies are a different thing. These freak losers would happily start armageddon.
 

[Griffith]

I think Putin is talking about "Tactical Nukes"  which will hit a planned area & of course will cause serious problems for an advancing army.
I believe OneMoreRep is an ex Gunner in the Marines so he will know this.
Back in the day we were tought to fire a Nuclear round on the M109 Gun as did the other American Guns the M107, M110 which we British used in Germany.

What kind of level of damage did they say was expected from weaponry like that?

[obsidian]

What kind of level of damage did they say was expected from weaponry like that?

15-18 kilotons. About the same as Hiroshima / Nagasaki. It can cause a tremendous amount of damage depending on where it is detonated.

Correction:

The 15-18KT yield was for the M65 Atomic Cannon. Looks like the M109 could theoretically have fired nuclear artillery with a yield of around 2KT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M65_atomic_cannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_artillery

155mm W82 nuclear artillery shell, cancelled. Likely would have been delivered by M109 self-propelled, M114 towed howitzers and M198 towed howitzers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W82

The W82 (also known as the XM785 shell) was a low-yield tactical nuclear warhead developed by the United States and designed to be used in a 155 mm artillery shell. It was conceived as a more flexible replacement for the W48, the previous generation of 155 mm nuclear artillery shell. A previous attempt to replace the W48 with the W74 munition was canceled due to cost.

Originally envisioned as a dual-purpose weapon, with interchangeable components to allow the shell to function as either a standard fission explosive or an enhanced radiation device, the warhead was developed at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory[1] starting in 1977. The eventual prototype round had a yield of 2 kt (8.4 TJ) in a package 34 inches (860 mm) long and weighing 95 pounds (43 kg),[1] which included the rocket-assisted portion of the shell. The unit cost of the weapon was estimated at US$4 million.[2]: 93  Although enhanced radiation devices were considered more effective at blunting an invasion due to the high neutron flux they produce, the more complex design eventually led to the cancellation of the dual-purpose W82-0 program in 1982. Development of a standard weapon, the W82-1, was restarted in 1986. The program was finally cancelled in 1991 due to the end of the Cold War.