I hate hearing/seeing about that too. But I believe that stuff is the result of sin entering the world. There was no shedding of blood before Adam and Eve sinned. The inference is that all creatures were initially plant-eaters.
You're always nice, so it's not a pleasant task to have to tell you this. I'm making a separate thread in order not to take your "Darwinist" thread off-topic.I'm basing my belief on the bible.....so if I can't quote it I guess the thread ends? :(
If you want to be taken seriously in a scientific discussion (which you started), you really shouldn't be making such ridiculous claims as
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have evidence for this claim.
Please provide your evidence that some point in the past, currently carnivorous animals were herbivorous.
For instance, lions and other large cats are completely unsuited to plant-eating. Their sharp teeth, digestive systems, etc can't handle anything but meat. A lion with all the plants in the world and no meat would starve.
What evidence do you have that at some point in the past (before this "fall"), lions were capable of living off plants?
Hint: Quoting "Genesis" doesn't count.
You're always nice, so it's not a pleasant task to have to tell you this. I'm making a separate thread in order not to take your "Darwinist" thread off-topic.
If you want to be taken seriously in a scientific discussion (which you started), you really shouldn't be making such ridiculous claims as
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have evidence for this claim.
Please provide your evidence that some point in the past, currently carnivorous animals were herbivorous.
For instance, lions and other large cats are completely unsuited to plant-eating. Their sharp teeth, digestive systems, etc can't handle anything but meat. A lion with all the plants in the world and no meat would starve.
What evidence do you have that at some point in the past (before this "fall"), lions were capable of living off plants?
Hint: Quoting "Genesis" doesn't count.
I'm basing my belief on the bible
But you are making a scientific claim. A very tenuous, dubious one at that!I would say that is what I believe to be true. I don't have any empirical evidence to show them.
If it's true that all carnivores were at some point in the past herbivores, where's the evidence?
If you put that claim to someone from India (who doesn't believe in the Bible), and they laugh at you and say "where's the evidence?", what would you say?
I would say that is what I believe to be true. I don't have any empirical evidence to show them.
Can you see how some people can also think that Darwinists don't have empirical evidence to show that all living creatures came from a common ancestor? But you believe it to be true also.
I would say that is what I believe to be true. I don't have any empirical evidence to show them.
Can you see how some people can also think that Darwinists don't have empirical evidence to show that all living creatures came from a common ancestor? But you believe it to be true also.
But Darwinists DO have empirical evidence; its called DNA.What makes you believe that DNA was not designed by a Creator?
What makes you believe that DNA was not designed by a Creator?
And if the Indian told you they believed the entire world rested on the back of a giant turtle, and they believed it because it says so in their "holy" book, what would you think of them?Well I don't think I'd laugh at them. I would probably ask them why they believe their "holy" book is true.
FALSE. Anyone who claims that there isn't empirical evidence for common descent is lying, or uneducated. Read a science book some time, Stella. It won't kill you ::)
What makes you believe that DNA was not designed by a Creator?
Well I don't think I'd laugh at them. I would probably ask them why they believe their "holy" book is true.
em·pir·i·cal (m-pîr-kl)
adj.
1.
a. Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis.
b. Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws.
2. Guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicine.
empirical
Adjective
derived from experiment, experience, and observation rather than from theory or logic: there is no empirical data to support this claim [Greek empeirikos practised]
Maybe we are having a miscommunication re: "empirical."
Because if your deity designed DNA, he was huge fuck up of an engineer. Mutation is random and usually harmful and it's only the good, useful mutations that pass the test and get passed on (with the set of DNA instructions). For every useful/good mutation there are thousands that are harmful/useless or both. Lactose intolerance, sickle cell anaemia, cancer, lack of enamel on your teeth and so on.See, I believe harmful mutations are a result of sin entering the world and not an initial part of God's design.
You are really asking me why I don't believe in Intelligent Design? Well, basically because I observe stupid/poor design all around me. If this is the work of a god, then that god failed shop class with an F-!
You are really asking me why I don't believe in Intelligent Design? Well, basically because I observe stupid/poor design all around me. If this is the work of a god, then that god failed shop class with an F-!
Well I don't think I'd laugh at them. I would probably ask them why they believe their "holy" book is true.
How is citing the Bible making use of empirical evidence????
See, I believe harmful mutations are a result of sin entering the world and not an initial part of God's design.
See, I believe harmful mutations are a result of sin entering the world and not an initial part of God's design.
Others have said things like this and I find it very interesting!
Deicide, what do you think of the design of the human body? How would you have done it differently?
Evading the point, yes you are. In the absence of evidence, their "holy" book is just as believable as yours.LOL oh no don't let me be self-pwned! ;D
You claim that all carnivores were, at one point in the past, herbivores. When asked for evidence for this entirely scientific and non-religious claim, you retreat behind the "I believe it because the Bible says it" excuse.
Well that doesn't cut it any more.
The evidence shows that your claim is false. Producing an article about one allegedly plant-eating lion doesn't cut it, esp. when it comes from the "Theosophical Society" ::)
So either you provide real evidence that all carnivores were once herbivores, or consider yourself self-pwnd.
you don't have empirical scientific evidence that all living creatures came from a common ancestor.
We are stuck with useless organs (appendix; there you have Stupid Design)...
Sin? I don't know where to begin. Needless to say one can't get very far in this type of discussion with a fundamentalist Christian.
The human body? Poor design.
We piss and ejaculate out of the same hole; our shithole is located right next to our pleasurehole. We constantly have to eat and drink(Crododilians only need to eat once a month or so); we eat and breathe out of the same hole (ensuring that some percentage of us will choke to death every year; dolphins have separate breathing and eating holes. We could run on photosynthesis, which would be MUCH more efficient. We could be much stronger; we are some of the weakest animals. We are stuck with useless organs (appendix; there you have Stupid Design)...etc, etc, etc....the list goes on...
Are you kidding? ???
I have posted TONS of threads with various links to evidence, but you and the other science-haters conveniently ignore them, because you're afraid they might shake your belief in invisible friends. So I gave up.
In fact, I am thinking of starting a "BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM" thread for you just like I did for our resident genius OneTimeHard, where I collect your most precious gems of scientific ignorance.
Not least of which is "lions used to eat plants before the fall" and "harmful mutations are a result of sin"...
Do you realize you would be laughed at if you said this to people at a dinner party?
Are you kidding? ???Depends on the dinner party ;D
I have posted TONS of threads with various links to evidence, but you and the other science-haters conveniently ignore them, because you're afraid they might shake your belief in invisible friends. So I gave up.
In fact, I am thinking of starting a "BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM" thread for you just like I did for our resident genius OneTimeHard, where I collect your most precious gems of scientific ignorance.
Not least of which is "lions used to eat plants before the fall" and "harmful mutations are a result of sin"...
Do you realize you would be laughed at if you said this to people at a dinner party?
Are you kidding? ???Please link me as I may have missed them inadvertently.
I have posted TONS of threads with various links to evidence, but you and the other science-haters conveniently ignore them, because you're afraid they might shake your belief in invisible friends. So I gave up.
Scientists: Appendix may help protect good germs
By Seth Borenstein
Associated Press
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Some scientists think they have figured out the real job of the troublesome and seemingly useless appendix: It produces and protects good germs for your gut.
That's the theory from surgeons and immunologists at Duke University Medical School, published online in a scientific journal this week.
For generations the appendix has been dismissed as superfluous. Doctors figured it had no function, surgeons removed them routinely, and people live fine without them.
And when infected the appendix can turn deadly. It gets inflamed quickly and some people die if it isn't removed in time. Two years ago, 321,000 Americans were hospitalized with appendicitis, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The function of the appendix seems related to the massive amount of bacteria populating the human digestive system, according to the study in the Journal of Theoretical Biology. There are more bacteria than human cells in the typical body. Most of it is good and helps digest food.
But sometimes the flora of bacteria in the intestines die or are purged. Diseases such as cholera or amoebic dysentery would clear the gut of useful bacteria. The appendix's job is to reboot the digestive system in that case.
The appendix "acts as a good safe house for bacteria," said Duke surgery professor Bill Parker, a study co-author. Its location - just below the normal one-way flow of food and germs in the large intestine in a sort of gut cul-de-sac - helps support the theory, he said.
Also, the worm-shaped organ outgrowth acts like a bacteria factory, cultivating the good germs, Parker said.
That use is not needed in a modern industrialized society, Parker said. If a person's gut flora dies, they can usually repopulate it easily with germs they pick up from other people, he said. But before dense populations in modern times and during epidemics of cholera that affected a whole region, it wasn't as easy to grow back that bacteria and the appendix came in handy.
In less developed countries, where the appendix may be still useful, the rate of appendicitis is lower than in the U.S., other studies have shown, Parker said.
He said the appendix may be another case of an overly hygienic society triggering an overreaction by the body's immune system.
Even though the appendix seems to have a function, people should still have them removed when they are inflamed because it could turn deadly, Parker said. About 300 to 400 Americans die of appendicitis each year, according to the CDC.
Five scientists not connected with the research said that the Duke theory makes sense and raises interesting questions.
The idea "seems by far the most likely" explanation for the function of the appendix, said Brandeis University biochemistry professor Douglas Theobald. "It makes evolutionary sense."
The theory led Gary Huffnagle, a University of Michigan internal medicine and microbiology professor, to wonder about the value of another body part that is often yanked: "I'll bet eventually we'll find the same sort of thing with the tonsils."
Interesting stuff!
So how would you design the body?
I already mentioned some things. The best thing would be to run on photosynthesis.Yes OK. But what about things like arms/legs/fingers/"holes" etc.
Depends on the dinner party ;D
Are you getting angry coldude ???
Please link me as I may have missed them inadvertently.
Yes OK. But what about things like arms/legs/fingers/"holes" etc.
Stella, you are a sweet person and all, but in this discussion you are getting owned beyond belief ;D
/odourless gas and expelled through the pores of our skin.Thank goodness for that ;D
So they could be solidified at will?
Ligaments and tendons could be solidfied; those shoulder injuries would be a thing of the past.
Stella, you are a sweet person and all, but in this discussion you are getting owned beyond belief ;DI don't see it that way :) Have you stopped w/the poop pics yet >:( I miss the thread :'(
Stella's kindness is one reason I have to restrain myself; it's almost a shame but I did swear an oath.I appreciate the way you have been discussing things :)
Thank goodness for that ;D
So they could be solidified at will?
I don't see it that way :) Have you stopped w/the poop pics yet >:( I miss the thread :'(
I appreciate the way you have been discussing things :)
GEEE... If only there were something called "Google" or "Yahoo" where you could type "evolution evidence" and have information come to your computer. HMMMMM maybe if we pray hard enough.....
I have posted TONS of threads with various links to evidence, but you and the other science-haters conveniently ignore them, because you're afraid they might shake your belief in invisible friends. So I gave up.
I was talking about your threads.
Do you have a thread where there is proof macroevolution been observed? That is the one I am most interested in viewing.
Not at will; you asked me the question how they could be better designed and I answered it. You are the one that believes in magic powers, not I.If you were the designer you could make it a possibility.
I'm pretty sure none that you would accept since it's mainly through faith and belief in the bible as true.
Do have evidence that Adam and Eve were real individuals? Or that a Global Flood took place? Or that the alleged Jesus of Nazareth rose bodily from the dead?
There is no such thing as macroevolution or microevolution. Only creationists speak in such a way. It is ALL evolution.So do you believe all living creatures came from one living organism?
If you were the designer
There is no such thing as macroevolution or microevolution. Only creationists speak in such a way. It is ALL evolution.
Producing an article about one allegedly plant-eating lion doesn't cut it, esp. when it comes from the "Theosophical Society" ::)
For instance, lions and other large cats are completely unsuited to plant-eating. Their sharp teeth, digestive systems, etc can't handle anything but meat. A lion with all the plants in the world and no meat would starve.
We piss and ejaculate out of the same hole; our shithole is located right next to our pleasurehole. We constantly have to eat and drink(Crododilians only need to eat once a month or so); we eat and breathe out of the same hole (ensuring that some percentage of us will choke to death every year; dolphins have separate breathing and eating holes. We could run on photosynthesis, which would be MUCH more efficient. We could be much stronger; we are some of the weakest animals. We are stuck with useless organs (appendix; there you have Stupid Design)...etc, etc, etc....the list goes on...
FALSE. Anyone who claims that there isn't empirical evidence for common descent is lying, or uneducated. Read a science book some time, Stella. It won't kill you ::)
Because if your deity designed DNA, he was huge fuck up of an engineer. Mutation is random and usually harmful and it's only the good, useful mutations that pass the test and get passed on (with the set of DNA instructions). For every useful/good mutation there are thousands that are harmful/useless or both. Lactose intolerance, sickle cell anaemia, cancer, lack of enamel on your teeth and so on.do you know why sickle cell became prominent? Lactose intolerance is also linked to enviromental factors as well so...
You are really asking me why I don't believe in Intelligent Design? Well, basically because I observe stupid/poor design all around me. If this is the work of a god, then that god failed shop class with an F-!
do you know why sickle cell became prominent? Lactose intolerance is also linked to enviromental factors as well so...
every arguement that you make against intelligent design could also be argued for, do you not see that?
i believe in evolution but that doesnt mean that God doesnt exist you never answered my question of how belief in evolution contradicts belief in God?
It doesn't. It contradicts literal interpretation of creation myths, but so do geology, astronomy, etc.thank you sir for responding but it was directed towards deicide
There is no such thing as macroevolution or microevolution. Only creationists speak in such a way. It is ALL evolution.really my anthropology professors speak in such ways and so do the books in which the assign to us.
Do have evidence that Adam and Eve were real individuals? Or that a Global Flood took place? Or that the alleged Jesus of Nazareth rose bodily from the dead?
thank you sir for responding but it was directed towards deicide
did you catch that show CD?
Nah.. was out with this big-titted brunette... fingers crossed bro ;)PICS ;D
thank you sir for responding but it was directed towards
jesus murphy oreilly: mustapha: DID I FORGET SOMEONE:im sorry linda im not quite sure i understand can you clarify?
Deicide, you got these from Neil deGrasse Tyson, didn't you?
Well, here is the thing, why would someone like you who accepts evolution have a problem with these? Aren't you supposed to believe that as living things evolve they do more with less parts? So if dolphins have two holes, one to breath and another one to eat, aren't we more advanced since we can do both with a single hole? Aren't we advanced because we can piss and ejaculate out of a single hole as opposed to having one hole for each? We accomplish more with less parts. That's efficient. That's a good thing.
im sorry linda im not quite sure i understand can you clarify?
Although I dont find that timeline to be accurate I about as much validity in it as I do the theroy of creation.
Evolution IN a species I can buy ( a bird growing a longer bill to eat bugs that live deeper and deeper in a trees truck) Evolution from a frog to man- never happend and science has never even come close to providing a resonable answer.
A few animals that prove evolution is a fraud
Site MapThe Woodpecker
In between its beak and its skull is a cartilage shock - absorber so that it doesn't go home with a headache!
Before the Woodpecker hits the tree it opens its eyes, aims, focuses, closes its eyes and hits the tree once before repeating the above process for 10 times at a time in quick succession the reason why it has to close its eyes, is that it would pop its eyes out if they remained open because of the force at which it hits the tree
The Woodpeckers tongue is 6 inches long and is barbed to stab the bug in the tree. In case that isn't enough, it produces glue to make sure it sticks firmly and when in its mouth, it dissolves the glue and swallows it.
4. Surgeons study the brains of Woodpeckers to learn how to deal with trauma victims
The Australian Incubator Bird
Roughly the size of a chicken yet lays an egg the size of an ostrich egg
The male builds a huge nest of leaves, clay and twigs on the forest floor measuring 50 feet across by 20 feet high.
The female lays one egg every 3 days for 7 months
4. The male keeps the nest at exactly 91oF. If it varies by as much as one degree either way, the chicks will die. The male also has to keep the nest at 99.5% humidity. if this drops to 80%, the chicks will die
The new born chicks hatch out of their nest fully feathered and needing no more further help from parents
The Beaver
when swimming, the beaver has transperent eye lids for to keep out dirt while still maintaining sight under the water. The Beaver also has ear and nose flaps to keep the water out.
The Beaver has fur lined flaps in the throat to protect sensitive teeth
Webbed feet allow for more efficient swimming, especially to compensate for currents
Engineers study beaver dams to learn how to build strength into Man made structures
The Honey Bee
When a honey Bee finds a food source it will go back to the colony and do a little dance. depending on this dance, it will tell the distance and direction of the food source.
This is all based on the sun. For example, If it does its dance facing upwards this means that the food source is located if you fly towards the sun. The distance is determened by the length of time it takes to do its dance.
The scout bee passes out samples of the nector to the others for them to verify the sweetness of the source. Once the rest of them come out of the colony, they will find the source thanks to a built in compass in their eyes which is cenred around the sun.
The Bee needs this dance otherwise it would not be able to tell the others where the food source is and you just would not have the bee as they would starve.
Wales
They are mamals that breathe Air, yet are designed to live in the sea
can weigh up to 300,000 pounds (Their tongues can weigh as much as an Elephant)
They can travel over 10,000 miles for their migration to Hawaii
They Hunt by catching fish in a ring of bubbles
Sperm Wales can shut down all their systems except their tail, brain and heart to conserve energy on deep dives
The Hippopotamus
They can Weigh 7,000 pounds but can run at 30 Miles Per Hour (M/PH)
Incredible Crushing Power with a Jaw that can Open back 180o and teeth can grow up to 18 inches
They Secrete a reddish fluid which acts as an insect repellant, disinfectant and Sunscreen
Hippos can stay under water for six minutes. Their ears, eyes and nostrils are on the top of the head - which means that they can stay submerged but can keep a watchful eye on their surrounds
Fireflies
As larvae, firefles can detect a slime trail and follow it to prey. On finding the prey, they inject an anesthetic into prey (Puts it to sleep and then eats it)
Some Fireflies can mimic the mate of other species and thereby fooling them so they can be eaten
Fireflies give off "Cold Light" - No heat is given off in the process of producing light and the scientists havn't the foggiest notion how to replicate it!
The light is so bright, that natives make baskets and put them into it and that is their Flash light!
All of the above animals could not have evolved because they needed to have all of the equipment at once otherwise you wouldnt have the animal for example, if the Australian incubator bird had evolved, it wouldn't know how to take care of young in the nest and the young would have died a
This is only a short list, add to it humming birds, giraffe, the cuttlefish, the manatee and the gecko to name a few