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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: robocop on January 19, 2006, 06:51:13 AM
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http://www.berend-breitenstein.de/
http://www.berend-breitenstein.de/german/galerie3.php
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um, we'll need more photos...
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good physique but hardly the best ever.
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are you serious? he looks good but my god does he look small
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Looks pretty ripped but could use some time in the squat rack
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He looks a little Frank Zaneish....
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Some comments:
1. Very good conditioning, no doubt there. Especially if this guy is truly 100% natural (no diuretics) he seems very dry, I'm impressed with his upper body details.
2. He's god good muscularity and is at his best in 3/4 shots. He isn't neither really thick nor really wide (in fact shoulder width seems to be a problem) so 3/4 shots are at the best angle so that he can showcase his crisp muscularity without giving the impression of smallness.
3. There isn't any "real" back shots, but from his front relaxation and front biceps poses, lats seem to be a weak point.
4. His quads are very good, however to have a complete looking leg he would need more hamstrings and adductors development.
5. Very hard and striated deltoids, but narrow clavicles... but then again, there's nothing he can do about that.
All-around I'd say that his physique is very pleasing and aesthetic. It's a good look and certainly could be a decent "poster body look" to get more peoples into working out seriously. Best natural in the world? No, I don't think so... although it's almost impossible to know who is TRULY 100% natural nowadays. But I don't think that this guy has remotely enough size to be called best natural ever. Heck my girlfriend is a lifetime 100% natural bodybuilder and she is almost as big and just as conditionned as he is. And she is considered to be a "small" natural bodybuilder.
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he has a good chest.
other than that he doesn't impress me.
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hahahahahaha, you've gotta be kidding me that dude is skinny as the day is long.
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ok show me some pics
The guy's pics are from his website, my GF's pics are from Gene X Whang (I think he posts here sometimes... but Tre also knows her) taken at the Canadian champs. You can visit her webpage at www.christianelamy-muscle.com
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she is chemical enhanced.
::) She has competed in tested shows many times (even last year). And I'm not talking about drug tested shows like the WNSO and other such federations who only use a 'visual pannel' test or lie detector test. She was tested according to IOC regulation at an IOC approved lab (headed by Christiane Ayotte one of the fiercest anti-doping persona in the world). If you saw the girls she competed against this year, you wouldn't say that!!! She did work on a farm for the best of 10 years, at over 50 hours per week.
She has been training (on top of her physical labor) for 20 years. She is the strictest dieter I know of. Given all that, her physique is quite believable. If she decided to go the enhanced route she would probably be very massive, but after seeing what the top girls look like, it is not my or her desire to go that way.
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good shape
without being pumped up and oil
LOL wait
if he's 100 % natural...
wassup with the hair piece ? :o
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I know him, got his book. Looks awesome. He deserves a lot of respect for pullin' that off without the juice. A lot of willpower and discipline is involved.
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These guys are only an encouriging to do juice haha what a joke.
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Somebody's been smoking crack
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If i would look like that i'm rather unhealthy.
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his chest veins looks worse than paul dilletts
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i've seem guys that never touched a weight look better ::)
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Reg Park and Arthur Harris piss all over those guys.
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That gentleman can't weigh more than 165 pounds. Best Natural bodybuilder ever? Perhaps Best Natural fitness contestant ever, would be more appropriate.
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Arthur Harris looks amazing steroids or not! :o
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This is the best built drug-free
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thats pretty crazy onlyme! I wonder if there where men that big back then !? you can see he's got veins and a good built, crazy stuff!
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shawn ray when he turned pro
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What about Mike Ashley (Pro from the late 80's) he was supposedly natural. Never mind the gap-tooth , pointy-elbows. He was in all the mag's & always listed as "Natural" ::)
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These are 3 of the top 10 natural bodybuilders in the world right now.
http://www.bulldoginteractive.com/jon-harris/profiles/jonharris/2004worlds/jonworlds20.jpg
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Steve Reeves is the real natural
(http://www.celebrity-pictures-world.com/pics/s/steve-reeves/steve-reeves-003.jpg)
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tuurlijk robocop, tuurlijk. Ken zat gasten die nog groter zijn dan hem en die gebruiken geen eens een normale proteine shake dus laat staan steriode.
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Robocop je blijft nog steeds een kk NERD met je 80 berichten per dag heb je geen leven of zo kk drol.
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This is the best built drug-free
if only he existed.
The Farnese Hercules is a massive and muscular statue of Hercules. The statue depicts a weary Hercules leaning on his club, which has his lion-skin draped over it. He is performing one of his last twelve trials which is suggested by the apple he holds behind his back. This statue was well-liked by the Romans and copies have been found in Roman palaces and gymnasiums.
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bigdumbbell,
There is plentiful evidence to suggest that the Farnese Hercules (and several other famous Greek statues) were modelled very, very precisely on actual living models. Seems the Greeks, Egyptians, Persians (along with the Olmecs, Toltecs and Maya across the pond) were secretly working with specialised and exotic concretes even in prehistory. Statues such as the Farnese Hercules were CAST in a mold. The mold having been made in wax using a living model covered from neck to toe. Once set, the statue would then be finalised by a sculptor, and the head would then be made separately.
Hence the famous statue of Emperor Augustus in armour, arms aloft, sported anatomically exact twenty inch calves and a robustly muscular upper body, however his face is thin and adolescent, supported by a chicken like neck.
The Farnese Hercules in particular has been shown (x-rayed) to contain several times the amount of air bubbles as are found in natural marble... add to this the fact that small scars are evident on the knees and elbows of "Hercules", pores are visible on the thighs, the musculature is exact, far exceeding the anatomical knowledge of the day... and to top it all off... "Hercules" has a patch of acne on his upper back (his buttocks were smoothed for aesthetic reasons).
So if it's a cast of a real, living person... why does he seem so massively muscular, so... well, herculean??
Because the sculptor, having been schooled in the minutiae of proportion in accordance with the Greek tradition... simply produced a head that was a little bit (barely noticeable) too small for the body.
Nifty trick eh? (Ask Sergio!)
Cover the head of The Farnese Hercules (or enlarge it) and suddenly the demi-god is almost mortal.
The Luke
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i have about 5 natural black dudes in my gym that got that fucker beat hollow...
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Hell, Sandow looked better than that guy.So did John Grimek.
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You >:(:Idiot,retard,Clown,MTF,Dumbass, Jezus fucking christ.
These guys are All CHEMICAL ENHANCED
GO f**k YOURSELF WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT
you sir are a moron. They are WNBF pros. Actually i think all three of them are english and went throught the natural amature ranks in England which has some of the stricktest drug testing around! You don't know what you are talking about, and don't ever insult me.
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bigdumbbell,
There is plentiful evidence to suggest that the Farnese Hercules (and several other famous Greek statues) were modelled very, very precisely on actual living models. Seems the Greeks, Egyptians, Persians (along with the Olmecs, Toltecs and Maya across the pond) were secretly working with specialised and exotic concretes even in prehistory. Statues such as the Farnese Hercules were CAST in a mold. The mold having been made in wax using a living model covered from neck to toe. Once set, the statue would then be finalised by a sculptor, and the head would then be made separately.
Hence the famous statue of Emperor Augustus in armour, arms aloft, sported anatomically exact twenty inch calves and a robustly muscular upper body, however his face is thin and adolescent, supported by a chicken like neck.
The Farnese Hercules in particular has been shown (x-rayed) to contain several times the amount of air bubbles as are found in natural marble... add to this the fact that small scars are evident on the knees and elbows of "Hercules", pores are visible on the thighs, the musculature is exact, far exceeding the anatomical knowledge of the day... and to top it all off... "Hercules" has a patch of acne on his upper back (his buttocks were smoothed for aesthetic reasons).
So if it's a cast of a real, living person... why does he seem so massively muscular, so... well, herculean??
Because the sculptor, having been schooled in the minutiae of proportion in accordance with the Greek tradition... simply produced a head that was a little bit (barely noticeable) too small for the body.
Nifty trick eh? (Ask Sergio!)
Cover the head of The Farnese Hercules (or enlarge it) and suddenly the demi-god is almost mortal.
The Luke
sergio and Jack Merjimekian with sergio sculpture
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Excuse me for using Robs log in but he is the best natural bodybuilder in the World check out the galleries on the site. www.pronaturalmuscle.com
I run the BNBF and have tested Rob numerous times as an amateur and now I compete along side him we are both tested using urine analysis and Poly graph testing. Besides we both have enough pride in ourselves to know that we would get no satisfaction in winning a natural competition if we were not natural. It is only very sad bastards that would try and take a title at a natural comp if juiced up. I have loads of friends who do and lots who dont it is apersonal choice bodybuilding is a tough game either way.
Vicky McCann
WNBF Pro
BNBF chairman
www.pronaturalmuscle.com
www.bnbf.co.uk
ps thanks for listening to my rant
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wfffffffffffffffffffff
Read the post above yours, it tells the truth. BNBF tests hardcore. They are all natural competitors. you are incorrect and now you have been corrected. So don't pretend to know something would actually you know nothing.
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Mars and Adonis i need your help.
I'm fucked Up and completely drained by these new getbigger about their so called natural bodybuilding friends.
this applies for the following members:Tha-boss and irocktheyellow
i can't stand it anymore :'(
So what, are you gonna cry about it?
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Robocop
Do you know Berend personally as Rob and I are meeting with him in Edinburgh on Saturday. He runs the Germen affiliate to the WNBF and we are looking to work together to develop natural bodybuilding in Europe. looking at your negative attitude it may be more difficult than we thought. Stop being so narrow minded Rob Hope is the best in the World probably one of the best naturals ever give him credit rather than trying to knock him down.
If we think anyone who manages to achieve naturally is not really natural and knock them down rather than trying to learn from them and giving some respect we might as well forget having natural events. It would be a lot cheaper to run events without drug tests
Vicky McCann
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The problem is: All those lies totally ruined bodybuilding. So don't do your best to set up Natural bodybuilding in europe because it's waste of time and health.
about narrow minded: we can't change this anymore we are all fucked up by all those lies.
If i were:Give Rob some good support for his upcoming bodybuilding matches and don't waste any more money in this goddamme Circus.
What "lies" are you speaking of?
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I would have to say Ronnie Coleman. On his live interviews he always states he's natural
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Robocop
You really are very sad.
Its a shame really.
Vicky
ps if they man in Holland watch to get involved he can contact the WNBF of myself through the BNBF web site or through our site
Vicky Mc
www.bnbf.co.uk
www.pronaturalmuscle.com
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These are 3 of the top 10 natural bodybuilders in the world right now.
http://www.bulldoginteractive.com/jon-harris/profiles/jonharris/2004worlds/jonworlds20.jpg
Would you please post the web address, where one may review the testing protocols utilized by the organization that certified these three (3) bodybuilders as drug free. Thank you.
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I saw of one of Rob's pictures.
it's really sad to see your'e a liar too.
Why don't you follow a good lie career? When finished you can an exam on this board
Mate you are an idiot.
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Would you please post the web address, where one may review the testing protocols utilized by the organization that certified these three (3) bodybuilders as drug free. Thank you.
www.bnbf.co.uk
Here, they tell about their drug testing methods and what they test for.
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Robocop, you are just pathetic. Right now i am picturing you as a 16 year old pimple faced teen who doesn't train anything but his chest and bi's who is just out to argue and say stupid things because he is protected by his computer.
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Thanks Iroc... I'll take a look.
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Me.
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Robocop
Do you know Berend personally as Rob and I are meeting with him in Edinburgh on Saturday. He runs the Germen affiliate to the WNBF and we are looking to work together to develop natural bodybuilding in Europe. looking at your negative attitude it may be more difficult than we thought. Stop being so narrow minded Rob Hope is the best in the World probably one of the best naturals ever give him credit rather than trying to knock him down.
If we think anyone who manages to achieve naturally is not really natural and knock them down rather than trying to learn from them and giving some respect we might as well forget having natural events. It would be a lot cheaper to run events without drug tests
Vicky McCann
Vicky,
Can you see the BS involved in natural bodybuilding? I'm sure you man is natural. Good for him.
But do you really think he is the best natural in the world?
You are obviuosly excluding some of the much more famous natural bodybuildrs in the US.
I know....I know. You are going to say they really aren't natural. Oh no. Not like your man.
How the hell do you know? Because you say so? Are you and your man the only honest people on the planet?
This is what I hate about natural bodybuilding.
"I'm the best because anyone better than me is not really natural."
Such Bullshit.
Your man is good--but far from the best in the world.
Hell. You said he's been competing for under 5 years? And in that short period of time he became the best in the world? You totally discredit the guys who have just as good of genetics as your man, have been training longer, and are just as HONEST. They're just better.
You and alll you other natural bodybuilders who exclude anyone who is better than them because this testing is better and that testing better is pure bullshit.
YOUR attitude is why natural bodybuilding will never go anywhere.
Don't get mad at robocop. You are no different. You just expect more out of a natural BB.
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Very good post!
Vicky,
Can you see the BS involved in natural bodybuilding? I'm sure you man is natural. Good for him.
But do you really think he is the best natural in the world?
You are obviuosly excluding some of the much more famous natural bodybuildrs in the US.
I know....I know. You are going to say they really aren't natural. Oh no. Not like your man.
How the hell do you know? Because you say so? Are you and your man the only honest people on the planet?
This is what I hate about natural bodybuilding.
"I'm the best because anyone better than me is not really natural."
Such Bullshit.
Your man is good--but far from the best in the world.
Hell. You said he's been competing for under 5 years? And in that short period of time he became the best in the world? You totally discredit the guys who have just as good of genetics as your man, have been training longer, and are just as HONEST. They're just better.
You and alll you other natural bodybuilders who exclude anyone who is better than them because this testing is better and that testing better is pure bullshit.
YOUR attitude is why natural bodybuilding will never go anywhere.
Don't get mad at robocop. You are no different. You just expect more out of a natural BB.
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Yes I really do believe he the best natural in the World. He has never been beaten in a natural pro comp. I am sure their are other excellent natural bodybuilders who dont even compete but as far as competitive natural bodybuilders Rob is leading the way.
Insidentally when did I say he had been training for 5 years Rob has been training for 10years.
Vicky
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The model for that Farnese Hercules had to be a Gladiator or something. Maybe just a farmer who was a pure mesomorph.
And if you cover the head of the statue it still looks impressive BTW.
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Bodies,
You may well be right, ancient peoples were significantly less homogenised than modern peoples, genetically speaking. Undoubtedly lots more sub-races and isolated populations back then, but the picure is fuzzied by the reliability of the chroniclers of the time...
For example:
-the Picts, (from Ireland, France and Britain) were known for having ape-like lower faces and protruding muzzles. Female picts supposedly had huge protruding lips.
-the Fir Bolg (from Hy Brasil, and then Ireland) were reputed to average (males) about 300 lbs of big boned muscle at about five foot tall
-the Myrmidons, (Greek mercenaries) were said to be almost gorilla-like: heavily muscled, massively built and supposedly covered in long black hair from head to foot, they were also cannabils that never wore clothes or used any tools other than wooden spears and clubs.
-the Danes, at least in prehistory, were universially reported to be mostly blond and the males averaged about 7 foot tall.
-the Sons of Rahab, a clan of Phillistines, were reported to all be over nine feet tall and heavily built
-the Masai, of the sub-Saharan savannahs, were all over eight feet tall, females included
-the Kurgans, from the steppes of the Ural mountains in Russia, were reknowned for their brutality and prodigous strength. The were claimed to be around seven foot tall and even more bizarrely, were measured at THREE feet across the shoulders.
The slavic Roman Emperor, Maximinus, believed to be of Kurgan extraction was recorded as being 8'6'' tall and a flat-bellied 650 lbs. He supposedly could drink two barrels of wine, and was said to eat up to 40 lbs of meat in a day.
...it's all very interesting in a Weekly World News sort of way, except that some of this has been verified in recent years.
-there is no repudiation of the claims of Emperor Maximinus' brobdignagian size, even by contemperary commentators who made a point of questioning the veracity of other facts relating to him.
-the skeleton of Ivar "The Boneless" Ragnarsson, a Viking chieftain from the ninth century who eventually became one of the first Kings of England, shows that he had no major pathologies, no gigantism, no pituitary disorders... he was just a healthy, normal, nine feet two inches tall.
-Ramses the Second, who's father was a silk trader (Viking?), was 6'2'', despite the average Egyptian being somewhere between 4'6'' and 5'2''
The skeleton of a famous gladiator found near Mycenae (he was buried with full honours and must have been very well off), shows a distinct thickening of the shins... the ankles and knees are right on the outside of human proportion, "rugged" in the Neanderthal/cave-man sense, indicating he probably sported 19'' calves at 5'4'', and could have built them up even bigger than that.
Creepy eh??
The Luke
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Very interesting indeed. I love history myself and would like to read more onthe subject. Surely a lot of this is probably a myth, but it probably als has shades of thruth if not more.
Bodies,
You may well be right, ancient peoples were significantly less homogenised than modern peoples, genetically speaking. Undoubtedly lots more sub-races and isolated populations back then, but the picure is fuzzied by the reliability of the chroniclers of the time...
For example:
-the Picts, (from Ireland, France and Britain) were known for having ape-like lower faces and protruding muzzles. Female picts supposedly had huge protruding lips.
-the Fir Bolg (from Hy Brasil, and then Ireland) were reputed to average (males) about 300 lbs of big boned muscle at about five foot tall
-the Myrmidons, (Greek mercenaries) were said to be almost gorilla-like: heavily muscled, massively built and supposedly covered in long black hair from head to foot, they were also cannabils that never wore clothes or used any tools other than wooden spears and clubs.
-the Danes, at least in prehistory, were universially reported to be mostly blond and the males averaged about 7 foot tall.
-the Sons of Rahab, a clan of Phillistines, were reported to all be over nine feet tall and heavily built
-the Masai, of the sub-Saharan savannahs, were all over eight feet tall, females included
-the Kurgans, from the steppes of the Ural mountains in Russia, were reknowned for their brutality and prodigous strength. The were claimed to be around seven foot tall and even more bizarrely, were measured at THREE feet across the shoulders.
The slavic Roman Emperor, Maximinus, believed to be of Kurgan extraction was recorded as being 8'6'' tall and a flat-bellied 650 lbs. He supposedly could drink two barrels of wine, and was said to eat up to 40 lbs of meat in a day.
...it's all very interesting in a Weekly World News sort of way, except that some of this has been verified in recent years.
-there is no repudiation of the claims of Emperor Maximinus' brobdignagian size, even by contemperary commentators who made a point of questioning the veracity of other facts relating to him.
-the skeleton of Ivar "The Boneless" Ragnarsson, a Viking chieftain from the ninth century who eventually became one of the first Kings of England, shows that he had no major pathologies, no gigantism, no pituitary disorders... he was just a healthy, normal, nine feet two inches tall.
-Ramses the Second, who's father was a silk trader (Viking?), was 6'2'', despite the average Egyptian being somewhere between 4'6'' and 5'2''
The skeleton of a famous gladiator found near Mycenae (he was buried with full honours and must have been very well off), shows a distinct thickening of the shins... the ankles and knees are right on the outside of human proportion, "rugged" in the Neanderthal/cave-man sense, indicating he probably sported 19'' calves at 5'4'', and could have built them up even bigger than that.
Creepy eh??
The Luke
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Yes I really do believe he the best natural in the World. He has never been beaten in a natural pro comp. I am sure their are other excellent natural bodybuilders who dont even compete but as far as competitive natural bodybuilders Rob is leading the way.
Insidentally when did I say he had been training for 5 years Rob has been training for 10years.
Vicky
It says on his site that he's be COMPETING for less than five years.
Vicky....he's competing in some splintered natural organizations. That far from qualifies for being the best in the world. That claim is absurd. There are many natural bodybuilders better than him, have more years competing, and have also trained longer than him. They are also older with more mucle maturity.
And, robocop, the 160 pounder are not even close to being as big as Skip La Cour, Jeff Willett, Derik Farnsowrth, Jose Raymond, Tito Raymond, Chris Faildo, Earl Synder and all the other leaders who paved the way.
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Yes I really do believe he the best natural in the World. He has never been beaten in a natural pro comp. I am sure their are other excellent natural bodybuilders who dont even compete but as far as competitive natural bodybuilders Rob is leading the way.
Insidentally when did I say he had been training for 5 years Rob has been training for 10years.
Vicky
I wouldnt waste my time if i were you Vicky. These guys are complete idiots. No matter what you say they will refuse to accept it.
Some guys just refuse to accept that you can't grow without gear. Because that would outline their own short commings.
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Robocop, take a look:
http://www.sandowmuseum.com/ (http://www.sandowmuseum.com/)
Your guy looks great, but he lacks size even compared to athletes from 1895! (You can't call roids on them!)
So he's good but far from the best ever.....
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Robocop you are so full of shit you don't even know. I am tired of arguing with someone who has an IQ equivilent to my cat's. So instead of beating a dead horse, i am just going to insult you. That is all you are good for anyway.
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Yes I really do believe he the best natural in the World. He has never been beaten in a natural pro comp. I am sure their are other excellent natural bodybuilders who dont even compete but as far as competitive natural bodybuilders Rob is leading the way.
Insidentally when did I say he had been training for 5 years Rob has been training for 10years.
Vicky
3 years of competing. I'm sorry I said 5.
The kid is only 25. I'm sure he was training like the really great naturals in the US when he was 15. ha ha
How f--ing arrogant.
3 years of competing and he is already "the best in the world" *
* He is the "best in the world" after only three years of competing because he disqualifies everyone better than him because he is the only "true" natural in the only orgainzation that really tests. ha ha
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It may be a challenge to name the best natural bodybuilder ever, but among natural federations, the WNBF does great work in testing for the natural authenticity of its competitors. Few organizations can boast of natural competitors like Rob Hope, Jon Harris, Jim Cordova, Dave Goodin, Ben Tennesen, Ekow Wilmot and Rodney Hilaire. What incredibe natural competitors. And for the past two years, the unanimous selection of World Champion has been Rob Hope. So, it is not a far stretch to call him the best natural bodybuilder these days. In the 1980's, it may have been Paul Jean Guillaume and in the 1990's, perhaps it was Kai Greene. The good news is that there are tremendous natural bodybuilders in the mix these days. Congrats to each of them. And hats off to Rob Hope.
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Mr John Hansen give me some help
All 3 of those guys could be natural, IMO. They are really ripped but as far as muscle mass either of them certainly could achieve that and more. Can't tell how tall they are either. Under 5ft 10in, and I would give em the benefit of the doubt.
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Bodies,
You may well be right, ancient peoples were significantly less homogenised than modern peoples, genetically speaking. Undoubtedly lots more sub-races and isolated populations back then, but the picure is fuzzied by the reliability of the chroniclers of the time...
For example:
-the Picts, (from Ireland, France and Britain) were known for having ape-like lower faces and protruding muzzles. Female picts supposedly had huge protruding lips.
-the Fir Bolg (from Hy Brasil, and then Ireland) were reputed to average (males) about 300 lbs of big boned muscle at about five foot tall
-the Myrmidons, (Greek mercenaries) were said to be almost gorilla-like: heavily muscled, massively built and supposedly covered in long black hair from head to foot, they were also cannabils that never wore clothes or used any tools other than wooden spears and clubs.
-the Danes, at least in prehistory, were universially reported to be mostly blond and the males averaged about 7 foot tall.
-the Sons of Rahab, a clan of Phillistines, were reported to all be over nine feet tall and heavily built
-the Masai, of the sub-Saharan savannahs, were all over eight feet tall, females included
-the Kurgans, from the steppes of the Ural mountains in Russia, were reknowned for their brutality and prodigous strength. The were claimed to be around seven foot tall and even more bizarrely, were measured at THREE feet across the shoulders.
The slavic Roman Emperor, Maximinus, believed to be of Kurgan extraction was recorded as being 8'6'' tall and a flat-bellied 650 lbs. He supposedly could drink two barrels of wine, and was said to eat up to 40 lbs of meat in a day.
...it's all very interesting in a Weekly World News sort of way, except that some of this has been verified in recent years.
-there is no repudiation of the claims of Emperor Maximinus' brobdignagian size, even by contemperary commentators who made a point of questioning the veracity of other facts relating to him.
-the skeleton of Ivar "The Boneless" Ragnarsson, a Viking chieftain from the ninth century who eventually became one of the first Kings of England, shows that he had no major pathologies, no gigantism, no pituitary disorders... he was just a healthy, normal, nine feet two inches tall.
-Ramses the Second, who's father was a silk trader (Viking?), was 6'2'', despite the average Egyptian being somewhere between 4'6'' and 5'2''
The skeleton of a famous gladiator found near Mycenae (he was buried with full honours and must have been very well off), shows a distinct thickening of the shins... the ankles and knees are right on the outside of human proportion, "rugged" in the Neanderthal/cave-man sense, indicating he probably sported 19'' calves at 5'4'', and could have built them up even bigger than that.
Creepy eh??
The Luke
I would concur that most of those myths are probably rooted in some truth. As an aside to horses, many warring nations had breeds of great war horses that were lost genetically due to the instrument that brought them about bieng lost with the powers that be losing said power. The latest would have been the Templar's vast facilities in Europe proper to arm their knights in Outremer. I suppose the roots of those breeds would be the Normans. Norman horses were so smart they would actually engage in the fight with their hooves and bites.
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All 3 of those guys could be natural, IMO. They are really ripped but as far as muscle mass either of them certainly could achieve that and more. Can't tell how tall they are either. Under 5ft 10in, and I would give em the benefit of the doubt.
Rob Hope (on the right) is 5'5" ... so all three are likely under 5'10"
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LOL wait
if he's 100 % natural...
wassup with the hair piece ? :o
;D