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Title: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Rhomboids on November 05, 2012, 05:37:11 PM
I recently changed my training schedule so i do less bodyparts per workout.  I had been on the same split since 1995 to great success, but now in my 30s i find that i don't have the energy to keep up the intensity on my former split routine. 

A little background though; Been training since 15, tried Androstene, and everything that was legal in the 90s.  DHEA and the rest.  Never really got huge improvement from them and the only constant has been Creatine. 

Now in my 30s i'm just noticing for the first time ever some back fat in my love handles.  It feels gross.  I know how to train and how to get in shape, even competition shape, but i'd like to get some perspectives about what kind of things you guys have gone through at this age. 

My appetite is also different and my diet has been inconsistent but it's a real bitch to eat 4 food meals a day.  Right now i last ate at 1230 and now it's 830.  I'm about to eat but i'm already paranoid about being in a negative nitrogen balance. 

How much can i expect to get back into my shape of my 20s if i'm doing everything as i should, despite my advanced age?  How much of a testosterone dump have you felt in your 30s as opposed to your 20s? 

I'm taking nothing right now.  Just food, multi vitamin/mineral, acidopholus or some shit and fish oil. 

Are there any real, legal, supplements that naturally boost Test?  I'm not that old but im starting to think im looking a little palumboistic with skinny arms and a big belly. 

WTF's going on here?
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: SF1900 on November 05, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
Stay away from Heme-Iron.

Johnny Falcon Approved
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Hulkotron on November 05, 2012, 05:41:29 PM
I'm 32 and feel the same as when I was 22, maybe you have a glandular disorder.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: POB on November 05, 2012, 05:45:05 PM
I recently changed my training schedule so i do less bodyparts per workout.  I had been on the same split since 1995 to great success, but now in my 30s i find that i don't have the energy to keep up the intensity on my former split routine. 

A little background though; Been training since 15, tried Androstene, and everything that was legal in the 90s.  DHEA and the rest.  Never really got huge improvement from them and the only constant has been Creatine. 

Now in my 30s i'm just noticing for the first time ever some back fat in my love handles.  It feels gross.  I know how to train and how to get in shape, even competition shape, but i'd like to get some perspectives about what kind of things you guys have gone through at this age. 

My appetite is also different and my diet has been inconsistent but it's a real bitch to eat 4 food meals a day.  Right now i last ate at 1230 and now it's 830.  I'm about to eat but i'm already paranoid about being in a negative nitrogen balance. 

How much can i expect to get back into my shape of my 20s if i'm doing everything as i should, despite my advanced age?  How much of a testosterone dump have you felt in your 30s as opposed to your 20s? 

I'm taking nothing right now.  Just food, multi vitamin/mineral, acidopholus or some shit and fish oil. 

Are there any real, legal, supplements that naturally boost Test?  I'm not that old but im starting to think im looking a little palumboistic with skinny arms and a big belly. 

WTF's going on here?
Go TRT or accept the fact that your almost over the hill look at the nfl, once a player hits early 30s on avg they are done. The same holds true for you...
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: che on November 05, 2012, 05:50:09 PM
I recently changed my training schedule so i do less bodyparts per workout.  I had been on the same split since 1995 to great success, but now in my 30s i find that i don't have the energy to keep up the intensity on my former split routine. 

A little background though; Been training since 15, tried Androstene, and everything that was legal in the 90s.  DHEA and the rest.  Never really got huge improvement from them and the only constant has been Creatine. 

Now in my 30s i'm just noticing for the first time ever some back fat in my love handles.  It feels gross.  I know how to train and how to get in shape, even competition shape, but i'd like to get some perspectives about what kind of things you guys have gone through at this age. 

My appetite is also different and my diet has been inconsistent but it's a real bitch to eat 4 food meals a day.  Right now i last ate at 1230 and now it's 830.  I'm about to eat but i'm already paranoid about being in a negative nitrogen balance. 

How much can i expect to get back into my shape of my 20s if i'm doing everything as i should, despite my advanced age?  How much of a testosterone dump have you felt in your 30s as opposed to your 20s? 

I'm taking nothing right now.  Just food, multi vitamin/mineral, acidopholus or some shit and fish oil. 

Are there any real, legal, supplements that naturally boost Test?  I'm not that old but im starting to think im looking a little palumboistic with skinny arms and a big belly. 

WTF's going on here?

Sorry Rhomboids but we can't have an honest discussion without pics.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Knooger on November 05, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
I'm 43, bald and fat. You should look in the mirror, high five yourself, do some pushups and nail a 23 year old chick.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: MAXX on November 05, 2012, 06:06:20 PM
natural test levels stays the same up until about mid thirties then it starts dropping slightly as you age but not alot. when you are 55 your t-levels are around 75% of what they where at 35. not a huge drop so why care about it? I dont think I will have much interest in lifting heavy when i'm 55 anyways other than working out to keep healthy anyways..
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 05, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
try heavy duty "one good heavy set per exercise".. i see it the best especially after all these years of training.. as for the fats,.. diet and cardio nothing else..
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: jdooly on November 05, 2012, 09:02:40 PM
I'm 35. training naturally for 12 years consistent.  I will admit my muscle doesn't seem as firm when I'm "cold" as it did like 3-4 years ago, and the small amount of fat is harder to lose come spring time after I add about 10 good lbs over the winter. It is what it is, aging.  I'm trying to hold off on the sauce till I'm 40 lol.  My advice is keep going, keep eating clean/good/enough in quantity, be thankful you are healthy enough to even get after it still.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: galain on November 05, 2012, 11:41:49 PM
I'm 42 and have trained naturally since I was 18. My 30's were the best years for me training wise until around 39. Everything was pretty much the same as when I was younger except recovering took a little longer. I think CNS recovery becomes increasingly important, so I try and focus on short intense workouts and then I leave the gym alone. 3 times a week - upper body Mon and Fri and legs Wed and that's enough. I was looking through some older photos of myself from about 5 years ago and I'm definitely smaller now, but I don't really care. I still enjoy training.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: jon cole on November 06, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
i'm 34. i've got boner all day long when my gf is not working and stay at home.
My mind is more focused as i get older so training are better.
I'm stronger than in my 20's, the only difference i notice i about my lower back, he recover slowly.
In my 20's squatting and deadlifting heavy the same week was easy, now it's almost impossible.

i divorced two years ago and i was depressed, constanlty injuried, gaining fat too much even when eating nothing.

i got a new life with a new gf and a new house, my mood is excellent, i can eat what i want and not gaining fat.


everything is in your mind bro'...

Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: dj181 on November 06, 2012, 12:17:11 AM
i'm 34. i've got boner all day long when my gf is not working and stay at home.
My mind is more focused as i get older so training are better.
I'm stronger than in my 20's, the only difference i notice i about my lower back, he recover slowly.
In my 20's squatting and deadlifting heavy the same week was easy, now it's almost impossible.

i divorced two years ago and i was depressed, constanlty injuried, gaining fat too much even when eating nothing.

i got a new life with a new gf and a new house, my mood is excellent, i can eat what i want and not gaining fat.


everything is in your mind bro'...



nice post man, especially the part about everything being in one's mind
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Meso_z on November 06, 2012, 12:30:29 AM
You say that you know how to diet and train in order to get in shape.. Why dont you do it then? No doubt you will feel better physicaly and mentaly.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Primemuscle on November 06, 2012, 12:33:59 AM
I recently changed my training schedule so i do less bodyparts per workout.  I had been on the same split since 1995 to great success, but now in my 30s i find that i don't have the energy to keep up the intensity on my former split routine. 

A little background though; Been training since 15, tried Androstene, and everything that was legal in the 90s.  DHEA and the rest.  Never really got huge improvement from them and the only constant has been Creatine. 

Now in my 30s i'm just noticing for the first time ever some back fat in my love handles.  It feels gross.  I know how to train and how to get in shape, even competition shape, but i'd like to get some perspectives about what kind of things you guys have gone through at this age. 

My appetite is also different and my diet has been inconsistent but it's a real bitch to eat 4 food meals a day.  Right now i last ate at 1230 and now it's 830.  I'm about to eat but i'm already paranoid about being in a negative nitrogen balance. 

How much can i expect to get back into my shape of my 20s if i'm doing everything as i should, despite my advanced age?  How much of a testosterone dump have you felt in your 30s as opposed to your 20s? 

I'm taking nothing right now.  Just food, multi vitamin/mineral, acidopholus or some shit and fish oil. 

Are there any real, legal, supplements that naturally boost Test?  I'm not that old but im starting to think im looking a little palumboistic with skinny arms and a big belly. 

WTF's going on here?

Aging is a bitch, isn't it? You are not in your 20's anymore. The key is to accept that. Be the best you can be for the age you are.

From your description, you are either genetically predisposed to age prematurely or you are being too hard on yourself.

In my 30's I was still able to do heavy workouts and handle a split routine....no problem. I am now 68 years old, recovering from a major surgery and I still manage to stay in shape. It is just not the same "shape" I was in when I was 20 something. These days I work each body part once a week with the exception of abs and calves, which I work twice a week. What I have found is that it takes me longer to recover from a workout then it did when I was a kid.

Have your testosterone levels tested. If they are low, then that could be an issue. Keep in mind that most guys your age have perfectly fine testosterone levels, so this may not be the problem. One thing that happens as you become more mature is that most folks have more responsibilities then they did when they were kids in their 20's. Responsibilities can tax your energy levels.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: da_vinci on November 06, 2012, 04:18:06 AM
If you are a healthy male - you shouldn't really feel any different at 35, compared to what you felt like at 25 (if you haven't abused alcohol and narcotics, in that time, of course). I think you are just another of these fellas who'll be "old in the head" at 40 already ("my advanced age") and that takes a lot bigger toll on everything else too. I know fellas in their 50's, who are ripped and in a great shape, runs 30miles on a weekend, lifts weights 5 days a week and goes boxing for a few days too. They look and feel young, and you are in your 30's already thinking you are of an "advanced age", smfh...

Oh.. and training "naturally" for so many years, keeping it heavy and putting much effort is a nonsense imho. Doa crissfit or some shit, why you even try to build muscle "naturally"? Keeping a "toned body" would be a better definition, but talking about "size" and stuff while being clean of exogenous hormones - facepalm..
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: The Grim Lifter on November 06, 2012, 05:14:45 AM
I'm 33, i had trouble deadlifting and squatting heavy in the same week at 19 because i got strong pretty fast. I don't feel my recovery is any worse now than then, i don't train as heavy as then but i still go to failure and that's what matters to the CNS. I found it hard to keep training heavy even early on as it wore at me training basically for powerlifting then.

You're problem with eating? Fuck magazine talk. Eat when hungry. If that's twice a day then do it. Don't stress getting 4 meals in just because you have to.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Rhomboids on November 06, 2012, 05:30:26 AM
try heavy duty "one good heavy set per exercise".. i see it the best especially after all these years of training.. as for the fats,.. diet and cardio nothing else..

I tried not mentioning training methods because people get retarded when it comes to philosophy.  I've been doing my own version of Heavy Duty since 1995.  I achieved peak condition by 1999 in terms of size and strength.  I know it's silly to expect to look the same as I did at 19.  I just want to maintain a high level of physical development.  Why?  That's what I want.  

Thanks for the perspective, particularly the older dudes here.  I was in my best shape at 19 and it wasn't a coincidence I wasn't married with kids and a pain in the ass wife.  But the more stress I have the harder I like hitting the gym and getting my meals in order.

This isn't about me wanting to know how to train and eat, but to see what other people that have been training s while have done as they enter a different phase of their life.  I get morning wood most days so in that sense, my T levels are probably not so bad.  I do get less of that pumped up feeling a day after working out though and I'm noticing a different redistribution of mass in my body - arms and shoulders feel smaller, belly holding on more volume despite not increasing caloric intake.  

I used to train body parts once every five days in high school.  Then every seven days, and always only three workouts a week.  As I got bigger it was once every nine days but now doing a second body part in the same workout gets to be a bit much sometimes.  So I've changed to a single body part per workout.  I did arms yesterday and it took me fifteen minutes.  Took me longer to warm up and stretch then to workout.  

And on principle alone, fuck crossfit.  I've achieved a great physique, for me, through bodybuilding.  The bottom line is looking in the mirror and being impressed with the way you look.  If for you that means toning up and having surfboard abs good for you.  I only identify with feeling powerful and having a physique that don't look like you can get it by climbing ropes and crawling under dirt.  

For cardio I'm doing boxing since I'm interested in keeping the heart as healthy as possible.  

Thanks for constructive perspective and making me realize you're only as old as you feel.  
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: The Grim Lifter on November 06, 2012, 05:35:15 AM
You're holding more in the stomach because you are eating too much. Trust me, fuck off the 4-5 meal bullshit. It's hard to mentally but look at it this way. You're in your 30's, you've been training more than half your life. Eating less isn't going to make you lose muscle, nothing really you do now is. Cut the eating down, you'll lose any gut. You shouldn't be smaller either unless you are overtraining now.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: falco on November 06, 2012, 06:02:46 AM
It's not just about test or growth hormone or t3 levels.
All the cells in your body are aging, everything is slowing down.
Prepare yourself emotionally because every year from now on you are going to feel aging coming fast. You can have a normal life, even in aerobic sports, but when it comes to bodybuilding things are only getting worse. Longer recovery time, apetite loss, less intensity workouts, less energy and so on. The only thing that increased are the weights i use. I am stronger although i get fatigue faster.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Marty Champions on November 06, 2012, 06:05:11 AM
I recently changed my training schedule so i do less bodyparts per workout.  I had been on the same split since 1995 to great success, but now in my 30s i find that i don't have the energy to keep up the intensity on my former split routine. 

A little background though; Been training since 15, tried Androstene, and everything that was legal in the 90s.  DHEA and the rest.  Never really got huge improvement from them and the only constant has been Creatine. 

Now in my 30s i'm just noticing for the first time ever some back fat in my love handles.  It feels gross.  I know how to train and how to get in shape, even competition shape, but i'd like to get some perspectives about what kind of things you guys have gone through at this age. 

My appetite is also different and my diet has been inconsistent but it's a real bitch to eat 4 food meals a day.  Right now i last ate at 1230 and now it's 830.  I'm about to eat but i'm already paranoid about being in a negative nitrogen balance. 

How much can i expect to get back into my shape of my 20s if i'm doing everything as i should, despite my advanced age?  How much of a testosterone dump have you felt in your 30s as opposed to your 20s? 

I'm taking nothing right now.  Just food, multi vitamin/mineral, acidopholus or some shit and fish oil. 

Are there any real, legal, supplements that naturally boost Test?  I'm not that old but im starting to think im looking a little palumboistic with skinny arms and a big belly. 

WTF's going on here?

you are lacking silicon for proper collagen replacement

stay away from heme iron
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: CalvinH on November 06, 2012, 06:05:32 AM
Steroids,lots and lots of them.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Cleanest Natural on November 06, 2012, 06:11:26 AM
i was much stronger in my 20s.

i need more recovery time now than back then.

i do single bodypart splits now, bc doing several muscles in one workout tires me too much.


translation... I cannot break 200 lbs on the bench anymore haha
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: da_vinci on November 06, 2012, 06:16:15 AM
I'll take a video some day of a fella at my gym, 53yo, he comes after a long day of manual labour at a construction site and......squats 700lb (yes - 700, not a mistake) for a rep or two (atg). Build up to that weight gradually of course..  then goes does some leg extensions and stuff... complains every time how he doesn't have the "strength anymore" (lol) and goes home.
 Nuff' said.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Donny on November 06, 2012, 06:18:54 AM
well i am 46 and do not really feel so diffrent as in my 30´s...less hair but fuck it. Lots of great posts so i will just say that you should keep training and stick more to compound moves 3 times a week on a split routine. As Jon Cole wrote a lot is mental( an excellent comment ). Train to be fitter and younger looking than your average guy at your age. In your 30´s you are still very young. Don't worry .. you will just get stressed.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: da_vinci on November 06, 2012, 06:30:34 AM
It's not just about test or growth hormone or t3 levels.
All the cells in your body are aging, everything is slowing down.
Prepare yourself emotionally because every year from now on you are going to feel aging coming fast. You can have a normal life, even in aerobic sports, but when it comes to bodybuilding things are only getting worse. Longer recovery time, apetite loss, less intensity workouts, less energy and so on. The only thing that increased are the weights i use. I am stronger although i get fatigue faster.

Orrr...one could start making good money so 10-20years down the road one could start regenerating the body by replenishing stem cell pools, tweaking epigenome, playing with mRNA signalling, injecting certain peptides (for ex. these who'd restore good collagen production in the joints and skin, etc.), removing intracellular junk (like advanced glycation end products, or lipofuscins) or even replacing certain organs with a more "resilient" versions of 'em..
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: BigCyp on November 06, 2012, 06:32:31 AM
well i am 46 and do not really feel so diffrent as in my 30´s...less hair but fuck it. Lots of great posts so i will just say that you should keep training and stick more to compound moves 3 times a week on a split routine. As Jon Cole wrote a lot is mental( an excellent comment ). Train to be fitter and younger looking than your average guy at your age. In your 30´s you are still very young. Don't worry .. you will just get stressed.

Good post
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: njflex on November 06, 2012, 06:34:56 AM
If you are a healthy male - you shouldn't really feel any different at 35, compared to what you felt like at 25 (if you haven't abused alcohol and narcotics, in that time, of course). I think you are just another of these fellas who'll be "old in the head" at 40 already ("my advanced age") and that takes a lot bigger toll on everything else too. I know fellas in their 50's, who are ripped and in a great shape, runs 30miles on a weekend, lifts weights 5 days a week and goes boxing for a few days too. They look and feel young, and you are in your 30's already thinking you are of an "advanced age", smfh...

Oh.. and training "naturally" for so many years, keeping it heavy and putting much effort is a nonsense imho. Doa crissfit or some shit, why you even try to build muscle "naturally"? Keeping a "toned body" would be a better definition, but talking about "size" and stuff while being clean of exogenous hormones - facepalm..
this is a great post and spot on other than 'galineko'who is dialed in natural/clean/hrt/EXPERTISE,,,i'm 44 feel great and in great shape,strenght ,stamina,decent size but ripped
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Grape Ape on November 06, 2012, 06:37:10 AM
this is a great post and spot on other than 'galineko'who is dialed in natural/clean/hrt/EXPERTISE,,,i'm 44 feel great and in great shape,strenght ,stamina,decent size but ripped

I agree.   These guys posting that it's "all over" once you're over 35,40,45 have no idea what they're talking about.

Sure you have to be a bit smarter, but that should always be the case anyway.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 06, 2012, 06:45:00 AM
Early 30's and late 30's are two different beasts.  By 35 your test tanks to the shitter, but at 30 it's still not bad.  Your metabolism also slows down.  Sad truth is you need to eat a lot less because your furnace is not burning all that fuel anymore.  You might have to change your cardio.  Simply running may not do it anymore.  You may have to do HIT cardio, burpees, sprints etc... to get you going.  Also a split routine in your 30's without steroids is stupid
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: da_vinci on November 06, 2012, 06:50:03 AM
Even semi-serious bodybuilding in your 30's without steroids is stupid

Fixed.  :D

You don't even need much.. just 400test/wk + 4iu kigtropina.. It will add another good 15-20years of "feeling 20" in your bodybuidling career.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Donny on November 06, 2012, 07:02:42 AM
I agree.   These guys posting that it's "all over" once you're over 35,40,45 have no idea what they're talking about.

Sure you have to be a bit smarter, but that should always be the case anyway.
100%
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Mr Anabolic on November 06, 2012, 08:06:56 AM
Any healthy man in their 30's should still be able to train hard... no excuses.

I noticed my performance started to decrease when I hit my mid-forties. 

As soon as you notice your libido/errections are not like they used to be, you'll know your homone levels are dropping.... if you're a natty that is.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: kh300 on November 06, 2012, 08:16:11 AM
Shit I just get better with age. Never a drug in my system and I still make gains. Muscle gets more mature, I can fuck off for weeks at a time and not loose an once, my skin gets thinner, I'm getting smarter and smarter in the gym. I'm 30 and I'm n better shape then when I was 21 and hitting the gym 5x's a week.

And don't forget. If your not a fat piece of shit, you look better then 70% of the population. If your in shape your better then 90% of the population. You look like you lift weights you look better the 99% of the population.

Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on November 06, 2012, 08:51:47 AM
You're holding more in the stomach because you are eating too much. Trust me, fuck off the 4-5 meal bullshit. It's hard to mentally but look at it this way. You're in your 30's, you've been training more than half your life. Eating less isn't going to make you lose muscle, nothing really you do now is. Cut the eating down, you'll lose any gut. You shouldn't be smaller either unless you are overtraining now.

This^^^ Your calories should be dropping as you get older. You just don't need to eat that much unless your mental illness is strong and you feel the need to jump on stage in panties.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: ob205 on November 06, 2012, 08:56:11 AM
I think once you've been training hard and know the basics of eating for 3-4 years, you have built most your muscle mass naturally that you ever will. 

When you are older, over 35, think it is best to focus on MAINTAINING and better condition.  Of course,drugs change the whole equation.

On the Heavy Duty type training, I think it is to stressful as you age CNS, joints, etc.  Also, you can't continue to increase poundages/size ad infinitum, or everyone would have a 800lb bench press and 20" arms.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 06, 2012, 11:10:50 AM
so what about muscles maturity that one achieves in his 30s as we were reading in the magazines ;D.. may be it's for roids guys only and not naturals.. for me at 33 i feel i am exactly the same strength wise and shape wise as in my 20s with the only exception that i was losing fats a little easier when i was younger and this is very normal.. and to look at the positive side of this i have added cardio now while in the past i was never doing any..

as for the wife and the kids i dont understand why a family prevents some ppl from training or not to train the same as when they were singles??.. a body needs only 3 or 4 days a weeks to be trained well and no need to stay inside the gym more than one hour.. i sometimes train 2 parts very well in only 20 minutes or less.. in most cases when a person doesnt train well after making a family it's mainly because he is lazy not because he is really that busy..

a family man with kids must use any available time to do something if he wants to stay in shape without taking from his wife and kids time,.. for example when i take my son to his swimming lessons instead of watching him for an hour and a half with the other parents i swim in the other pool and when he is in his gymnastics lessons i go to jog..

 8) ;D :P
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: arce1988 on November 06, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Water
Food
Vitamins
Rest
Sleep
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: The Grim Lifter on November 06, 2012, 03:15:26 PM
I don't feel my metabilism has really slowed down. I was just fucking overeating in my teens and early 20's and getting too fat. Now i actually eat more junk but less meals than then and stay much leaner. Maybe in 10 years things will change.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Everhard on November 06, 2012, 08:33:14 PM
I am 38 and have competed in 2 shows over past 2 years and plan on doing another in 2013. I feel better now than I ever did. I keep waiting to feel "old".
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: dj181 on November 06, 2012, 10:55:11 PM
age... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

fuck dat noise!





Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 06, 2012, 11:02:12 PM
age... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

fuck dat noise!







the 65 shirtless guy is amazing.. sure on plenty of roids but still amazing..
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Meso_z on November 06, 2012, 11:43:03 PM
Good replies.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: daddy8ball on November 07, 2012, 07:34:02 AM
40 years old.

I've notice a marked decrease in recovery ability (need more rest).

The main thing with me is that now all my joints are going to shit. Tendonitis in elbows, ankles. Starting to be a real problem. Anyone else have issues with this? Hints to cope?

Also, going super heavy is a lot tougher, and I'm flirting with the idea of camping in the 8-12 rep range from now on. Any thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: dr.chimps on November 07, 2012, 07:39:50 AM
40 years old.

I've notice a marked decrease in recovery ability (need more rest).

The main thing with me is that now all my joints are going to shit. Tendonitis in elbows, ankles. Starting to be a real problem. Anyone else have issues with this? Hints to cope?

Also, going super heavy is a lot tougher, and I'm flirting with the idea of camping in the 8-12 rep range from now on. Any thoughts on that?
Ha! Oh yes. It was hard to convince myself, but my heavy-lifting days are now gone. I keeps the reps high and train for feel. Shitty, I know, but just trying to extend my lifting life. As Grape said up-thread: smarter is the key.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Donny on November 07, 2012, 07:43:00 AM
you know what? i started really learning at 40...i have always trained but i mean training my mind too. I like Frank Zane because he is a very positive man and his ideas i like.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Donny on November 07, 2012, 07:46:53 AM
the 65 shirtless guy is amazing.. sure on plenty of roids but still amazing..
yes the middle video is Richard Baldwin...writes great stuff on Raw iron and another forum i won´t mention... ;D
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Primemuscle on November 07, 2012, 11:48:57 AM
40 years old.

I've notice a marked decrease in recovery ability (need more rest).

The main thing with me is that now all my joints are going to shit. Tendonitis in elbows, ankles. Starting to be a real problem. Anyone else have issues with this? Hints to cope?

Also, going super heavy is a lot tougher, and I'm flirting with the idea of camping in the 8-12 rep range from now on. Any thoughts on that?

Light to moderate resistance training is believed to be helpful in maintaining good working joints and staving off arthritis. However, excessively heavy lifting is detrimental to one's joints. Some repetitive, high impact exercises, such as running, can also cause osteoarthritis. Whether one is predisposed to be afflicted with osteoarthritis and when they can expect it to start being a problem depends on their genetic makeup. I believe our diet also plays a part in maintaining good joint health.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: The Grim Lifter on November 07, 2012, 01:28:07 PM
40 years old.

I've notice a marked decrease in recovery ability (need more rest).

The main thing with me is that now all my joints are going to shit. Tendonitis in elbows, ankles. Starting to be a real problem. Anyone else have issues with this? Hints to cope?

Also, going super heavy is a lot tougher, and I'm flirting with the idea of camping in the 8-12 rep range from now on. Any thoughts on that?

I fucked my elbows at 17 training too heavy. It took years before they were better. I do not train too heavy anymore, still go to failure, stick with lighter weights and never have any joint issues. Joint issues can happen at any age if you push it enough. Just train lighter as long as you are hitting failure you won't look any worse, probably look better.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 07, 2012, 05:42:08 PM
I felt little change in my running and lifting until I turned 50. In your 30's it should be your prime years. Not a time to make excuses. Those pictures of drug users in their 50's,60's and 70's are bs. They would look like absoulute crap without the drugs. I would give them any praise what so ever.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Rhomboids on November 07, 2012, 08:58:40 PM
40 years old.

I've notice a marked decrease in recovery ability (need more rest).

The main thing with me is that now all my joints are going to shit. Tendonitis in elbows, ankles. Starting to be a real problem. Anyone else have issues with this? Hints to cope?

Also, going super heavy is a lot tougher, and I'm flirting with the idea of camping in the 8-12 rep range from now on. Any thoughts on that?

What i notice now is that doing lighter weights for higher reps doesn't equal in the same amount of calories burnt when compared to heavy training.  I believe now more so than before that to stay as lean as possible, you have to train as heavy as possible - obviously not going for singles and doubles or sacrificing form.  I'm a six to nine type of guy. 

I find the problem with my diet to be that of inconsistency more so than eating too much.  what happens is that i know i can't eat 3.5hrs later so i end up eating too much at one seating.  That's what causes the distention in the stomach.  My body still craves a huge amount of food though.  Last two days ive been making a hard effor to eat like i used to.  7am, 1230pm, 4pm, 8pm, 11pm(myoplex).  This is how i ate when i was at my biggest.  I got my body so used to this routine that if i do anything less i feel lightheaded, sick and get a migraine. 

Tomorrow i'm doing chest/calves.  If i have a spotter, incline BB press and 20degree DB press.  Calves; seated then standing raise - though I'll be damn if i can find a standing calf machine.  When i get closer to my top poundage i'll start wrapping every joint up. 
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: hench on November 08, 2012, 09:06:27 AM
same, infact i feel better than ever.
I'm 32 and feel the same as when I was 22, maybe you have a glandular disorder.
Title: Re: Can we get an honest discussion about training naturally in your 30's
Post by: Primemuscle on November 08, 2012, 12:46:25 PM
What i notice now is that doing lighter weights for higher reps doesn't equal in the same amount of calories burnt when compared to heavy training.  I believe now more so than before that to stay as lean as possible, you have to train as heavy as possible - obviously not going for singles and doubles or sacrificing form.  I'm a six to nine type of guy. 

I find the problem with my diet to be that of inconsistency more so than eating too much.  what happens is that i know i can't eat 3.5hrs later so i end up eating too much at one seating.  That's what causes the distention in the stomach.  My body still craves a huge amount of food though.  Last two days ive been making a hard effor to eat like i used to.  7am, 1230pm, 4pm, 8pm, 11pm(myoplex).  This is how i ate when i was at my biggest.  I got my body so used to this routine that if i do anything less i feel lightheaded, sick and get a migraine. 

Tomorrow i'm doing chest/calves.  If i have a spotter, incline BB press and 20degree DB press.  Calves; seated then standing raise - though I'll be damn if i can find a standing calf machine.  When i get closer to my top poundage i'll start wrapping every joint up. 

My main problem with following a diet that would help me lean out is that I succumb to what my wife and I are used to eating. Not that we eat crap.
 
For example, this morning I made eggs Benedict and eggs Florentine for breakfast. We each had two poached eggs on English muffins with Hollandaise sauce. One English muffin half had a slice of Canadian bacon and the other half had spinach on it. All good stuff, but also high in fats. When my wife cooks, and she is an excellent cook, I eat what she fixes. Unfortunately, her portions are often huge.

I did much better watching my diet when I worked because most of my meals, with the exception dinner and on the weekends were my own decision. Now that I am retired, most meals are shared with my wife. The difference between our basic diet philosophy is that I eat to live and she lives to eat. Not that I am blaming her for my eating habits, be they good or bad.