ECA - I Fucking love you

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Ephedra, yes I believe it is....but ephedra kinda sucks.  Not as consistent/predictable as ephedrine.

Ephedrine cannot be marketed for the purposes of weight loss, but it is still sold over the counter in the US for asthma

Bronkaid FTW!

[300]

How much caffeine should I take with Bronkaid?

[240 is Back]

i miss ECA.  It's been years.  That stuff was insane.

[240 is Back]

How much caffeine should I take with Bronkaid?

exactly 198.0125 mg

[Archer77]

Fellas, how will Ephedra effect someone with lower than average blood pressure?

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How much caffeine should I take with Bronkaid?

1 bronk, 1 aspirin, Dunkin Donuts Large.

[ProudVirgin69]

How much caffeine should I take with Bronkaid?

200mg

Fellas, how will Ephedra effect someone with lower than average blood pressure?

Increase it somewhat.  Shouldn't impact the appetite suppressant/thermogenic effects though

[Archer77]

200mg

Increase it somewhat.  Shouldn't impact the appetite suppressant/thermogenic effects though

Thanks for the answer, man.  My blood pressure is right around 100/70. 

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I had forgotten that I have enough Bronk in the house to cook a batch of meth (attention DEA: previous was just a joke). Thanks to you homos, I popped a little ECA before going down in The Pit for my "little" back workout.

[ProudVirgin69]

Thanks for the answer, man.  My blood pressure is right around 100/70. 

That's great!  The lower your blood pressure, the better--assuming it's not making you lethargic

If I don't eat low-carb, keep the cardio up, and supplement with fish oil, mine will be around 135/80.  Regular meditation has done a lot to keep it in range, too. I'd like to avoid going on bp meds, but I might have to, just to play it safe.

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That's great!  The lower your blood pressure, the better--assuming it's not making you lethargic

If I don't eat low-carb, keep the cardio up, and supplement with fish oil, mine will be around 135/80.  Regular meditation has done a lot to keep it in range, too. I'd like to avoid going on bp meds, but I might have to, just to play it safe.

High BP runs in my family. I have been on lisinopril since I was 35. Even when I dropped 40 pounds and my BP improved, my doc kept me on the lisinopril.

Thanks dad!

[Archer77]

That's great!  The lower your blood pressure, the better--assuming it's not making you lethargic

If I don't eat low-carb, keep the cardio up, and supplement with fish oil, mine will be around 135/80.  Regular meditation has done a lot to keep it in range, too. I'd like to avoid going on bp meds, but I might have to, just to play it safe.

We have a lot in common.  I moderate my carbs, take fish oil and meditate regularly.   

[Mr Anabolic]

Be careful you EC junkies.  My buddy abused the hell out of ephedrine all through the 90's.  He developed a huge amount of health issues:  physiological/psychological dependence, muscle tears, neuropathy, adrenal burnout, kidney damage. 

You're young and healthy now... it's in your best interest to stay that way.

[ProudVirgin69]

High BP runs in my family. I have been on lisinopril since I was 35. Even when I dropped 40 pounds and my BP improved, my doc kept me on the lisinopril.

Thanks dad!

I know some people report lethargy from lisinopril... anything of that nature for you?  What's your dosage?

[Van_Bilderass]

Be careful you EC junkies.  My buddy abused the hell out of ephedrine all through the 90's.  He developed a huge amount of health issues:  physiological/psychological dependence, muscle tears, neuropathy, adrenal burnout, kidney damage.  

You're young and healthy now... it's in your best interest to stay that way.

How did the neuropathy manifest? Did a doctor say the rest of those issues were ephedrine related or is it just something you think is the case? I don't think there is such a thing as adrenal burnout either, not in the way the word is used commonly at least.

I have used more ephedrine than anyone on this forum I'm sure... I have experienced a lot of muscle tears. Haven't used it in a long time though, hard to get where I'm at. Could the ephedrine have to do with the tears? Hell I don't know.

One thing with ephedrine is that for me it never stopped working. In fact there appears to have been an increase in sensitivity.

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I know some people report lethargy from lisinopril... anything of that nature for you?  What's your dosage?

40 mg/day along with 12.5mg HCTZ. No lethargy that I know of, but then I have been on it for 14 years, so any lethargy would be already factored into my "normal"

[OTHstrong]

Be careful you EC junkies.  My buddy abused the hell out of ephedrine all through the 90's.  He developed a huge amount of health issues:  physiological/psychological dependence, muscle tears, neuropathy, adrenal burnout, kidney damage. 

You're young and healthy now... it's in your best interest to stay that way.

lmao of couse he did and he knows the exact cause to the T lol

[Thespritz0]

We have a lot in common.  I moderate my carbs, take fish oil and meditate regularly.   

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YOU MIGHT WANT TO REPLACE THE FISH OIL- I'm using "Super Krill oil" now, (they are a very small shrimp) 300% more potent than fish oil, much more bio-available, and NO BURPS!!

[Big Chiro Flex]

Yes, ECA is fantastic, especially considering it's legal.

Appetite suppression
Increased energy to workout
Sheds bloat
Burns a little extra fat
Spares muscle mass/suppresses cortisol

It's like the poor man's GH

Does it seriously suppress cortisol??? How is this possible for a potent stim?

[Alpine]

Does it seriously suppress cortisol??? How is this possible for a potent stim?

Of course not. E/C is great, I agree. But it does not lower cortisol.

Ephedrine's mechanism of action is indirect stimulation of the adrenergic receptor system. It increases the activity of norepinephrine (noradrenaline) on adrenergic receptors (which secondarily leads to cortisol release).  Caffeine significantly increases cortisol as well. If you're on gear its not really an issue. If you're cutting natural (which is stupid anyway) something like 11-OXO / 11-Lean (cheaper at smart powders) would help after running E/C for longer periods of time. The whole cortisol issue really gets blown out of proportion though. Cortisol increase from clen/EC doesnt mean a god damn thing when you're on Tren.

[Mr Anabolic]

How did the neuropathy manifest? Did a doctor say the rest of those issues were ephedrine related or is it just something you think is the case? I don't think there is such a thing as adrenal burnout either, not in the way the word is used commonly at least.

I have used more ephedrine than anyone on this forum I'm sure... I have experienced a lot of muscle tears. Haven't used it in a long time though, hard to get where I'm at. Could the ephedrine have to do with the tears? Hell I don't know.

One thing with ephedrine is that for me it never stopped working. In fact there appears to have been an increase in sensitivity.

Several doctors diagnosed these things... not me.  I forgot to mention his type 2 diabetes.

Adrenal burnout is fake huh?  Try taking E and C everyday for several years (50mgs E/400mgs 3x a day).  Then stop taking it.  He could not function and had to go on short term disability.  He was in bed for a whole month recuperating.

Some of you guys will do/say anything to defend your crutches and vices.

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I did a mini ECA yesterday: half a bronk, a 81 mg aspirin and a couple of regular cups of coffee. Hadn't done it in a while and it was AMAZING. Don't want to get into that habit, but I will use that as required.

[ProudVirgin69]

Does it seriously suppress cortisol??? How is this possible for a potent stim?

I'm quite certain that was the mechanism by which it spared lean tissue when dieting.  Let me try and dig some research up

[mdn250]

In order to down the stimulant use, this year I bought Primatine (12.5mg ephedrine) and use that along with whatever caffeine 200mg I find. I figure if it works why not use the lower dose since it does stress the body out and raise cortisol levels. If I find it is not as effective I will go back to the Brokaid 25mg.

It does mess with your sexdrive but I can't possibly imagine anything shrinking your dick. If anything I am sure a Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, or whatever else is available nowadays will counteract that.

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In order to down the stimulant use, this year I bought Primatine (12.5mg ephedrine) and use that along with whatever caffeine 200mg I find. I figure if it works why not use the lower dose since it does stress the body out and raise cortisol levels. If I find it is not as effective I will go back to the Brokaid 25mg.

It does mess with your sexdrive but I can't possibly imagine anything shrinking your dick. If anything I am sure a Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, or whatever else is available nowadays will counteract that.

Didn't mess with my dick yesterday. I could have hammered nails last night...

Maybe it wore off.