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Title: Dave Mustaine has cancer.
Post by: Purge_WTF on June 18, 2019, 03:45:47 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/megadeths-dave-mustaine-says-he-was-diagnosed-with-throat-cancer (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/megadeths-dave-mustaine-says-he-was-diagnosed-with-throat-cancer)

  :-\
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Post by: kreator on June 18, 2019, 04:02:00 AM
Sux, always like Megadeth
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Post by: Dokey111 on June 18, 2019, 05:40:55 AM
read his Opus
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 18, 2019, 05:43:32 AM
His countdown to extinction is ticking.
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Post by: Skylge on June 18, 2019, 05:43:52 AM
Mouth cancer
tongue cancer
throat cancer
esophagus cancer
lung cancer

Hope the sigarettes were worth it.....
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Post by: Matt on June 18, 2019, 06:04:08 AM
Who?
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Post by: kreator on June 18, 2019, 06:33:45 AM
Who?

The guy who to this day can’t get over the fact he got kicked out of Metallica before the release of their first album. I think the crew actually literally dumped him on the side of the road. Frustrated he then assembled his own band Megadeth which never became as popular as Metallica. Eventhough he’s worth around 20 million today, he’s still jealous of his original band mates.
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Post by: Chadwick The Beta on June 18, 2019, 07:50:39 AM
is he saved ?
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 08:15:52 AM
The guy who to this day can’t get over the fact he got kicked out of Metallica before the release of their first album. I think the crew actually literally dumped him on the side of the road. Frustrated he then assembled his own band Megadeth which never became as popular as Metallica. Eventhough he’s worth around 20 million today, he’s still jealous of his original band mates.

He arrived in NYC with James, Cliff and Lars, but was soon after given a Greyhound bus ticket back to California.

On the return, he formulated his revenge.

Megadeth.

Overall, Megadeth has always been the superior band.

Metallica’s first four are essential and masterpieces, but MegaDave’s outfit has been entirely more consistent (save for a couple of stinkers) and featured/features in its ranks musicians who make Lars and Kirk look like rank amateurs.

Mustaine will beat this and continue creating killer riffs and songs and saying shit that pisses everyone off.

Guy is a loon. But he’s our (metalheads) loon.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 18, 2019, 09:31:20 AM
is he saved ?
Yes he is and has talked about it in interviews.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 18, 2019, 09:32:30 AM
He arrived in NYC with James, Cliff and Lars, but was soon after given a Greyhound bus ticket back to California.

On the return, he formulated his revenge.

Megadeth.

Overall, Megadeth has always been the superior band.

Metallica’s first four are essential and masterpieces, but MegaDave’s outfit has been entirely more consistent (save for a couple of stinkers) and featured/features in its ranks musicians who make Lars and Kirk look like rank amateurs.

Mustaine will beat this and continue creating killer riffs and songs and saying shit that pisses everyone off.

Guy is a loon. But he’s our (metalheads) loon.
No way in Hell was Megadeth ever better than Metallica.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 09:42:33 AM
Certainly they are in quality of instrumental accomplishment.

James (I’m not counting Cliff, although I have always felt his legend is overrated) is Metallica’s guitar star. His rhythm playing on those early records (ALL performed by him alone) is a benchmark for tight thrash riffing.

Each and every soloist in Megadeth crushes Kirk to an extent that isn’t even funny. Hammboy recorded several distinguishing leads on the classic albums, absolutely, but he’s nowhere technically. And his playing has been deteriorating to shit these past two decades. He obviously doesn’t care.

Lars, while a “unique” drummer, isn’t exceptional in any way. And again, some of his early playing was inspired, if not accomplished.

In regard recorded quality, I’d give Metallica the slight edge for the first four, but after that, in totality, it’s not even close.

Megadeth smokes Metallica.
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Post by: Matt on June 18, 2019, 10:01:27 AM
The guy who to this day can’t get over the fact he got kicked out of Metallica before the release of their first album. I think the crew actually literally dumped him on the side of the road. Frustrated he then assembled his own band Megadeth which never became as popular as Metallica. Eventhough he’s worth around 20 million today, he’s still jealous of his original band mates.

Thank you for the extensive info on this individual.

PS - to Fortress. Megadeth is not Death Metal. So...what is it?
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 10:10:19 AM
Thank you for the extensive info on this individual.

PS - to Fortress. Megadeth is not Death Metal. So...what is it?

Death metal, in a classic sense, is Morbid Angel, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse (possibly the purest expression of the form), Death, Obiturary, old Entombed, Monstrosity ... and a boatload of others.

The substyle has splintered over the years into sub-substyles. There are incredible bands in all the tiny pocket areas.

I’d estimate to own well over 1,000 death metal, and its offshoots, CDs.

If you’re very familiar with thrash then the attributes that comprise death metal are extremely obvious.

There ARE quite a lot of groups that straddle the line. Examples being Possessed and mid-years Sepultura.
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Post by: Matt on June 18, 2019, 10:13:56 AM
Death metal, in a classic sense, is Morbid Angel, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse (possibly the purest expression of the form), Death, Obiturary, old Entombed, Monstrosity ... and a boatload of others.

The substyle has splintered over the years into sub-substyles. There are incredible bands in all the tiny pocket areas.

I’d estimate to own well over 1,000 death metal, and its offshoots, CDs.

If you’re very familiar with thrash then the attributes that comprise death metal are extremely obvious.

There ARE quite a lot of groups that straddle the line. Examples being Possessed and mid-years Sepultura.

Great post. Thank you. I was struggling with this:
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 18, 2019, 10:17:31 AM
Certainly they are in quality of instrumental accomplishment.

James (I’m not counting Cliff, although I have always felt his legend is overrated) is Metallica’s guitar star. His rhythm playing on those early records (ALL performed by him alone) is a benchmark for tight thrash riffing.

Each and every soloist in Megadeth crushes Kirk to an extent that isn’t even funny. Hammboy recorded several distinguishing leads on the classic albums, absolutely, but he’s nowhere technically. And his playing has been deteriorating to shit these past two decades. He obviously doesn’t care.

Lars, while a “unique” drummer, isn’t exceptional in any way. And again, some of his early playing was inspired, if not accomplished.

In regard recorded quality, I’d give Metallica the slight edge for the first four, but after that, in totality, it’s not even close.

Megadeth smokes Metallica.
As far as instrumentals that may be so although all of Megadeth's songs sound the same to me.  The quality of Metallica's music and live performances is preferred by me and millions of others over Megadeth.
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Post by: IronMagazine.com on June 18, 2019, 10:19:10 AM
Who?

LOL don't worry about it you must be like 12 years old.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 10:21:36 AM
When it comes to metal, I’m the guy.

People often confuse speed metal with thrash, and vice versa, as well.

Also, lately I’ve seen some state Priest’s Painkiller and Jugulator efforts are thrash. Not at all.

Heavy metal (and hard rock) has been my life since 1982. It’s hugely annoying when folks who know very little blather on with their bullshit.

On average, I buy between five and 10 new CDs each and every week. I own over 500 music DVDs. One full room of my condo is reserved for my music and it’s still spilled out into the rest of the apartment.

I own over 300 books on the music and have literally thousands of metal magazines.

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Post by: Matt on June 18, 2019, 10:21:43 AM
As far as instrumentals that may be so although all of Megadeth's songs sound the same to me.  The quality of Metallica's music and live performances is preferred by me and millions of others over Megadeth.

I have never listened to a metal song in full. Maybe on the radio, as a child, possibly. But not intentionally.

A mysterious man wearing a Megadeth shirt was featured in an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, hence why I agree with Fortress on Megadeth being superior to Metallica.

Also, "Fortress of Deth" would make a great band name.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 10:26:19 AM
As far as instrumentals that may be so although all of Megadeth's songs sound the same to me.  The quality of Metallica's music and live performances is preferred by me and millions of others over Megadeth.

The core of both groups’ fan bases are essentially the same. Metallica’s “extra” is mostly non-metalheads who own the self-titled and possibly another few random metal albums but really have no clue. Without “Enter Sandman”, “Nothing Else Matters” and one or two others, this extra “fanage” wouldn’t exist.

If you prefer Metallica’s output, more power to ya.
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Post by: Matt on June 18, 2019, 10:34:35 AM
The core of both groups’ fan bases are essentially the same. Metallica’s “extra” is mostly non-metalheads who own the self-titled and possibly another few random metal albums but really have no clue. Without “Enter Sandman”, “Nothing Else Matters” and one or two others, this extra “fanage” wouldn’t exist.

If you prefer Metallica’s output, more power to ya.

I prefer Megadeth, although I found their name to be misleading. I initially assumed they were death metal.

Deth...not to be confused with death.
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Post by: kreator on June 18, 2019, 10:42:47 AM
I wish Friedman had never left the band. I always enjoyed his style. Btw Fortress, if u could pick one band to see in their prime live which one would you choose? I’d have to go with Sepultura after the release of Chaos A.D.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 10:43:30 AM
I prefer Megadeth, although I found their name to be misleading. I initially assumed they were death metal.

Deth...not to be confused with death.

I believe a megadeath is a million or more deaths from a nuclear attack.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 18, 2019, 10:55:38 AM
The core of both groups’ fan bases are essentially the same. Metallica’s “extra” is mostly non-metalheads who own the self-titled and possibly another few random metal albums but really have no clue. Without “Enter Sandman”, “Nothing Else Matters” and one or two others, this extra “fanage” wouldn’t exist.

If you prefer Metallica’s output, more power to ya.
Metallica has more range as each album was way different than the previous albums.  True metal heads probably do prefer Megadeth.  It's like comparing Slayer to Metallica as well.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 11:35:00 AM
I wish Friedman had never left the band. I always enjoyed his style. Btw Fortress, if u could pick one band to see in their prime live which one would you choose? I’d have to go with Sepultura after the release of Chaos A.D.

Wow. Great question.

SO many.

I’ve always been sorry I missed Ozzy on the BatM tour. With Jake.

Sep, yeah. But on the Beneath the Remains or Arise tours.

The US At the Gates/Dissection tour. Oh, man. I have a bootleg VHS of one of the tour stops.

A HUGE one: Any Max Webster gig. From the seventies.

This list could go on forever.

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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
Here’s one:

Ratt on its first two major tours.
Title: Re: Dave Mustaine has cancer.
Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 11:40:27 AM
Decapitated on a European date with its original lineup (Vogg, Vitek, Sauron, and Martin).
Title: Re: Dave Mustaine has cancer.
Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 11:42:00 AM
Racer X on the Sunset Strip in the mid-eighties.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 11:43:17 AM
Annihilator supporting Pantera and Judas Priest (in Europe) on its Never, Neverland album.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 11:46:16 AM
They keep springing to mind.

LOL

But I’ll stop.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 11:47:46 AM
Loudness on the Japanese dates that spawned its Live Loud Alive album.

Okay, I’m stopping.
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Post by: michael arvilla on June 18, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
Megadeth =The term was coined by Herman Kahn, who used it for the first time in his doom book On Thermonuclear War...like (Fortress? ) said refers to a million deaths by introducing an Atomic bomb or a Megadeth concert to a major city
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Post by: michael arvilla on June 18, 2019, 12:03:44 PM
IMO Metallica “ sold out” while Dave/Megadeth never did...hopefully he gets well fast!
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Post by: Matt on June 18, 2019, 12:51:44 PM
Megadeth =The term was coined by Herman Kahn, who used it for the first time in his doom book On Thermonuclear War...like (Fortress? ) said refers to a million deaths by introducing an Atomic bomb or a Megadeth concert to a major city

LOL!!!

After watching the Unsolved Mysteries segment featuring the disappearance of Deborah Poe, where a mysterious man wearing a Megadeth shirt was seen in the convenience store she worked in, I have been a fan of Megadeth ever since.

I intend to listen to one of their songs one day.

In any case, I'm in full agreement with Fortress about Megadeth being superior to Metallica, and hope to buy a Megadeth shirt one day [and also listen to my first Metallica song one day too].
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Post by: powerforward on June 18, 2019, 01:43:46 PM
Racer X on the Sunset Strip in the mid-eighties.

Yes! 
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 01:52:28 PM
IMO Metallica “ sold out” while Dave/Megadeth never did...hopefully he gets well fast!

Risk is a major sellout album. Thankfully Dave corrected the ship.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 01:53:11 PM
Megadeth =The term was coined by Herman Kahn, who used it for the first time in his doom book On Thermonuclear War...like (Fortress? ) said refers to a million deaths by introducing an Atomic bomb or a Megadeth concert to a major city

It’s Megadeath. The band dropped the “a” ... to be cool?
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 01:55:54 PM
Yes! 


With Bruce Bouillet on second axe, obviously.
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Post by: powerforward on June 18, 2019, 02:18:03 PM
paul gilbert was (and still is) awesome


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Post by: IRON CROSS on June 18, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
No way in Hell was Megadeth ever better than Metallica.

Metallica , 6 shows  ;)
Megadeath , 1   :-\

 8)
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 03:25:58 PM
paul gilbert was (and still is) awesome




Have his new solo album on its way, as a matter of fact.

Orherworldly talent.
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 03:26:47 PM
Metallica , 6 shows  ;)
Megadeath , 1   :-\

 8)

And you still can’t properly spell Megadeth.

 ;D
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 03:28:27 PM
Here’s a question for those who know such things.

Who has been your favourite Mega guitarist (excluding Mustaine)?

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Post by: Hendrixian on June 18, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
What do you think of Kiko Loureiro, Fortress?
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Post by: michael arvilla on June 18, 2019, 04:25:08 PM
Here’s a question for those who know such things.

Who has been your favourite Mega guitarist (excluding Mustaine)?


For me  Marty Friedman (I know Dave prefers Kiko)
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Post by: LittleJ on June 18, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Worthless music
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Post by: Fortress on June 18, 2019, 04:59:31 PM
What do you think of Kiko Loureiro, Fortress?

He’s utterly amazing.
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Post by: Irongrip400 on June 18, 2019, 05:20:46 PM
The guy who to this day can’t get over the fact he got kicked out of Metallica before the release of their first album. I think the crew actually literally dumped him on the side of the road. Frustrated he then assembled his own band Megadeth which never became as popular as Metallica. Eventhough he’s worth around 20 million today, he’s still jealous of his original band mates.

He’s kinda like Big Louie in that sense.
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Post by: IRON CROSS on June 18, 2019, 05:26:55 PM
And you still can’t properly spell Megadeth.

 ;D

What's that  ;D

Actually, Black Sabbath is my numero uno HM band, follow by Lemmy/Motorhead ,Dio,etc,.. :D

So let's get Paranoid ......... ;)

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Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 18, 2019, 08:02:57 PM
Im a huge megadeth fan and have seen them many times.

the new apple iphone commercial has Megadeth playing in it - by far the coolest TV commercial in a long time



I like Metallica and Megadeth equal - both are awesome and different - the comparison between the two is fucking stupid. if you like metal (I used to be a big metalhead in the late 1990s) they are both solid and different.

the first metal song that blew my mind was Symphony of destruction



i think many of my best workouts were fueled by megadeth CDs while i rocked a skip free CD player. god damn that CD was big to have on my waste back in 1999-2001



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Post by: gmflex on June 18, 2019, 08:34:40 PM
Megadeth all the way..
Metallica sold out after injustice for all..

 ;D  ;D
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Post by: kreator on June 18, 2019, 10:48:02 PM
Im a huge megadeth fan and have seen them many times.

the new apple iphone commercial has Megadeth playing in it - by far the coolest TV commercial in a long time



I like Metallica and Megadeth equal - both are awesome and different - the comparison between the two is fucking stupid. if you like metal (I used to be a big metalhead in the late 1990s) they are both solid and different.

the first metal song that blew my mind was Symphony of destruction



i think many of my best workouts were fueled by megadeth CDs while i rocked a skip free CD player. god damn that CD was big to have on my waste back in 1999-2001






I don’t think a lot of gym goers listen to metal here in Europe. Only house or n***** music. The later really seems to be popular among white youngsters. I was really surprised when i first saw the Coleman videos in Metroflex and heard gems like Slayer/Metallica/Pantera blasting through the speakers.

Symphony of destruction, Metalica’s One and GNR’ You could be mine were my favourite songs back when i was in 4th grade.
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Post by: _bruce_ on June 18, 2019, 11:23:33 PM
Always prefered Slayer but Dave and Megadeth have been one of the most Metal combos of the 80ies.
Their album Rust In Peace was such a treat of a record.

Hope he'll recover but I doubt it.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 19, 2019, 02:27:46 AM
Megadeth all the way..
Metallica sold out after injustice for all..

 ;D  ;D
I can think of like 2 great Megadeth songs, Metallica like 50.
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Post by: Bindare_Dundat on June 19, 2019, 02:57:40 AM
No way in Hell was Megadeth ever better than Metallica.

musicianship wise, way better
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Post by: YngiweRhoads on June 19, 2019, 03:36:13 AM
Here’s a question for those who know such things.

Who has been your favourite Mega guitarist (excluding Mustaine)?



Jeff Young. Fav album is SF SG SW.
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Post by: Purge_WTF on June 19, 2019, 04:41:13 AM
is he saved ?

 Actually, yes he is.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 19, 2019, 09:44:59 AM
musicianship wise, way better
Maybe they had more difficult guitar riffs but that's it.  Metallica played a much greater range of music.  Each album was different than the last which is why people say they sold out.  I guess they were supposed to put out 20 And Justice For All albums. ::)  They even made an album with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra and pulled it off.  Hetfield has a much better voice than Mustaine which is why he was the lead singer even with Mustaine in the band.  Metallica sells out shows in stadiums where Megadeth sells out night clubs.  Many people who aren't even fans of metal or even hard rock like Metallica where only hardcore metalheads like or have even heard of Megadeth.
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Post by: Ronnie Rep on June 19, 2019, 01:26:36 PM
He arrived in NYC with James, Cliff and Lars, but was soon after given a Greyhound bus ticket back to California.

On the return, he formulated his revenge.

Megadeth.

Overall, Megadeth has always been the superior band.

Metallica’s first four are essential and masterpieces, but MegaDave’s outfit has been entirely more consistent (save for a couple of stinkers) and featured/features in its ranks musicians who make Lars and Kirk look like rank amateurs.

Mustaine will beat this and continue creating killer riffs and songs and saying shit that pisses everyone off.

Guy is a loon. But he’s our (metalheads) loon.
Amen, Megadeath>Metallica.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
Maybe they had more difficult guitar riffs but that's it.  Metallica played a much greater range of music.  Each album was different than the last which is why people say they sold out.  I guess they were supposed to put out 20 And Justice For All albums. ::)  They even made an album with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra and pulled it off.  Hetfield has a much better voice than Mustaine which is why he was the lead singer even with Mustaine in the band.  Metallica sells out shows in stadiums where Megadeth sells out night clubs.  Many people who aren't even fans of metal or even hard rock like Metallica where only hardcore metalheads like or have even heard of Megadeth.

I respect your preference for Metallica, but tone it down, man.

For every argument for Metallica, an equal argument can be made for Megadeth.

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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 01:34:03 PM
Jeff Young. Fav album is SF SG SW.

I LOVE that record, but I wouldn’t rank Jeff among my fave Mega axemen. Not to suggest he’s not a really good player. I’d even say he’s underrated in the discussions. But his competition is formidable. Anyway, isn’t he now, like, some flamenco dude or something?

Very good guitarist, no doubt.

Deth has never had a weak second six-stringer.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 01:35:17 PM
I can think of like 2 great Megadeth songs, Metallica like 50.

This is inconsequential. What is a “great song” is subjective.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 01:41:26 PM
Worthless music

Worthless to a kneegrow, sure. I can see understand this.

After all, highly accomplished instrumental facility, music created using architecture based upon sophisticated musical theory and challenging arrangements wouldn’t be to taste for an intellectually-struggling darkie.

You stick with your oingo-boingo hitting-rocks-together-simplistic rap crap.

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Post by: Matt on June 19, 2019, 01:42:16 PM
Worthless to a kneegrow, sure. I can see understand this.

After all, highly accomplished instrumental facility, music created using architecture based upon sophisticated musical theory and challenging arrangements wouldn’t be to taste for an intellectually-struggling darkie.

You stick with your oingo-boingo hitting-rocks-together-simplistic rap crap.



Been here 50,000 years.

Invented a stick.
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Post by: ratherbebig on June 19, 2019, 01:43:57 PM
megadeth are good musically with their instruments but im not a fan of mustaines vocals. so metallica for me.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 01:44:25 PM
Been here 50,000 years.

Invented a stick.

Exactly.

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Post by: Mayday on June 19, 2019, 01:49:52 PM
Certainly they are in quality of instrumental accomplishment.

James (I’m not counting Cliff, although I have always felt his legend is overrated) is Metallica’s guitar star. His rhythm playing on those early records (ALL performed by him alone) is a benchmark for tight thrash riffing.

Each and every soloist in Megadeth crushes Kirk to an extent that isn’t even funny. Hammboy recorded several distinguishing leads on the classic albums, absolutely, but he’s nowhere technically. And his playing has been deteriorating to shit these past two decades. He obviously doesn’t care.

Lars, while a “unique” drummer, isn’t exceptional in any way. And again, some of his early playing was inspired, if not accomplished.

In regard recorded quality, I’d give Metallica the slight edge for the first four, but after that, in totality, it’s not even close.

Megadeth smokes Metallica.

I haven't lisfened to megadeath really but that aside the above was excellent.

Peaked at the Justice album with longer riffs and harmonies, black album only had 3 good songs (sandman, wherever, sad). On the black album the other songs were ones you simply didnt want to hear (nothing else was ok but it's not a metal song so remove that) whereas earlier albums you would literally listen to an entire album.

As a gjitarist, hammy went downhill after the Justice album. Decided to hide behind a wah wah to hide his mistakes. His live playing is fucking disgusting. Seen them lives 4 times over 20yrs and he is so shit it's embarrassing.

My legit question is whether he has a muscle/nerve damage with his hand that has deteriorated over time. From Black onwards his solos became slower, less complex and then non-existent. In live shows he doesnt play any solo the same as from an album, instead he jams on a wah, hits wrong notes and plays something that makes you go wtf is wrong with him.  

This is plausible. I have a musical family and background and even at fucking 70 the pianists are playing orchestral songs without mistakes. I rarelh play guitar now but even i can simply pick one up and rip out a metallica solo the same as i could at 17. Something definitely up with Hammy's nerves....

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Post by: ratherbebig on June 19, 2019, 01:52:27 PM
black album has more than 3 good songs for sure.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 01:58:10 PM
I haven't lisfened to megadeath really but that aside the above was excellent.

Peaked at the Justice album with longer riffs and harmonies, black album only had 3 good songs (sandman, wherever, sad). On the black album the other songs were ones you simply didnt want to hear (nothing else was ok but it's not a metal song so remove that) whereas earlier albums you would literally listen to an entire album.

As a gjitarist, hammy went downhill after the Justice album. Decided to hide behind a wah wah to hide his mistakes. His live playing is fucking disgusting. Seen them lives 4 times over 20yrs and he is so shit it's embarrassing.

My legit question is whether he has a muscle/nerve damage with his hand that has deteriorated over time. From Black onwards his solos became slower, less complex and then non-existent. In live shows he doesnt play any solo the same as from an album, instead he jams on a wah, hits wrong notes and plays something that makes you go wtf is wrong with him.  

This is plausible. I have a musical family and background and even at fucking 70 the pianists are playing orchestral songs without mistakes. I rarelh play guitar now but even i can simply pick one up and rip out a metallica solo the same as i could at 17. Something definitely up with Hammy's nerves....



Kirk has embarrassingly undeveloped vibrato, is a rote blues licks player (with an over reliance on a wah) and is indeed pathetic on stage. Clams everywhere.

P.S. It’s Megadeth, without an “a”.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 01:59:23 PM
megadeth are good musically with their instruments but im not a fan of mustaines vocals. so metallica for me.

Fair enough.

And live, Mustaine’s voice can be somewhat crud to be sure.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 02:02:56 PM
black album has more than 3 good songs for sure.

Again, subjective.

The eponymously-titled record (“the black album”) is hugely impressive from a number of vantage points, I just don’t happen to like it.

But it’s a monumental release in the history of heavy metal.
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Post by: BlackMetallic on June 19, 2019, 02:05:53 PM
megadeth are good musically with their instruments but im not a fan of mustaines vocals. so metallica for me.

It’s been said that Mustaine doesn’t sing, instead he talks, actually he doesn’t talk he spits
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Post by: ratherbebig on June 19, 2019, 02:07:05 PM
It’s been said that Mustaine doesn’t sing, instead he talks, actually he doesn’t talk he spits

well he's no celine dion!
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Post by: BlackMetallic on June 19, 2019, 02:09:01 PM
The end old argument: Whose better Metallica or Megadeth?

We got the best of both worlds

Nuff said

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Post by: ratherbebig on June 19, 2019, 02:09:55 PM
Again, subjective.

The eponymously-titled record (“the black album”) is hugely impressive from a number of vantage points, I just don’t happen to like it.

But it’s a monumental release in the history of heavy metal.

it actually has 4 good songs.

unforgiven.
sad but true.
my friend of misery.
the god that failed.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 02:29:38 PM
it actually has 4 good songs.

unforgiven.
sad but true.
my friend of misery.
the god that failed.

Subjective, again.
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Post by: ratherbebig on June 19, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
Subjective, again.

of course. how could it be anything different.

doesnt mean its pointless to mention your favorite songs.

it is however entirely pointless to say that something that is obviously subjective is subjective.
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Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 02:43:29 PM
of course. how could it be anything different.

doesnt mean its pointless to mention your favorite songs.

it is however entirely pointless to say that something that is obviously subjective is subjective.

Then you’d say, I like four songs on it, or something to this effect.
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Post by: LittleJ on June 19, 2019, 02:50:37 PM
Worthless to a kneegrow, sure. I can see understand this.

After all, highly accomplished instrumental facility, music created using architecture based upon sophisticated musical theory and challenging arrangements wouldn’t be to taste for an intellectually-struggling darkie.

You stick with your oingo-boingo hitting-rocks-together-simplistic rap crap.



I don't listen to rap. Once again you make yourself look like an ass.
Title: Re: Dave Mustaine has cancer.
Post by: LittleJ on June 19, 2019, 02:51:33 PM
Been here 50,000 years.

Invented a stick.

You're gay and special.
Title: Re: Dave Mustaine has cancer.
Post by: Fortress on June 19, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
I don't listen to rap. Once again you make yourself look like an ass.

Sit on it.
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Post by: Mayday on June 19, 2019, 04:12:36 PM
it actually has 4 good songs.

unforgiven.
sad but true.
my friend of misery.
the god that failed.

Unforgiven, yep ok.   What makes a big change on the black album though was the move away from the guitar work on previous justice and puppets albums.

The black album got Metallica mainstream but they fucked up trying to evolve when there was absolutely zero reason for them to move away from the sound/production they had with the black abum.

If everybody wants vanilla icecream and you sell vanilla icecream, dont dump it and switch to lemon trying to tell everybody its better.....

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Post by: YngiweRhoads on June 19, 2019, 04:49:26 PM
I LOVE that record, but I wouldn’t rank Jeff among my fave Mega axemen. Not to suggest he’s not a really good player. I’d even say he’s underrated in the discussions. But his competition is formidable. Anyway, isn’t he now, like, some flamenco dude or something?

Very good guitarist, no doubt.

Deth has never had a weak second six-stringer.

Yep.

He's also batshit crazy. I followed him on FB for a while but it was nothing but non-stop conspiracy garbage and promoting his podcast.
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Post by: APE907 on June 19, 2019, 07:07:10 PM
Certainly they are in quality of instrumental accomplishment.

James (I’m not counting Cliff, although I have always felt his legend is overrated) is Metallica’s guitar star. His rhythm playing on those early records (ALL performed by him alone) is a benchmark for tight thrash riffing.

Each and every soloist in Megadeth crushes Kirk to an extent that isn’t even funny. Hammboy recorded several distinguishing leads on the classic albums, absolutely, but he’s nowhere technically. And his playing has been deteriorating to shit these past two decades. He obviously doesn’t care.

Lars, while a “unique” drummer, isn’t exceptional in any way. And again, some of his early playing was inspired, if not accomplished.

In regard recorded quality, I’d give Metallica the slight edge for the first four, but after that, in totality, it’s not even close.

Megadeth smokes Metallica.

Well said.

Technically Megadeth are superior musicians.

Lars is atrocious. He’s literally de-volved as a drummer.  He doesn’t even reliably keep time live.

With that said, I still reach for Metallica first over Megadeth if I want a retro metal fix.
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Post by: kreator on June 20, 2019, 02:16:49 AM
I like to put it this way, to me Metallica’s old stuff is like having sex with a really hot chick you never forget and are always down for it. Megadeth is like a cute girl who’s always true and loyal to you in the long run and delivers on a daily basis but deep down you can’t forget the chemistry you had with the hotter one. I really like em both but for a quick fix I’d pick the first 4 Metallica albums.
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Post by: YngiweRhoads on June 20, 2019, 02:20:59 AM
Well said.

Technically Megadeth are superior musicians.

Lars is atrocious. He’s literally de-volved as a drummer.  He doesn’t even reliably keep time live.

With that said, I still reach for Metallica first over Megadeth if I want a retro metal fix.

Exact same thing could be said about Kirk. He really was a decent player in the 80s and now I literally can't think of a worse guitar player.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 20, 2019, 04:55:01 AM
I respect your preference for Metallica, but tone it down, man.

For every argument for Metallica, an equal argument can be made for Megadeth.


It's kind of like pro wrestling in the 80's.  The masses loved the WWF and the hardcore fans the NWA, AWA, World Class, UWF, etc and didn't enjoy the WWF's "sell out" mass appeal.  With wrestling I was a hardcore fan and didn't like the "sellout" WWF.  With metal I am the opposite. :)
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Post by: Redux on June 20, 2019, 12:31:35 PM
Getting kicked out of Metallica had to have been tough, but in the end he won by not having to spend another minute around Lars.
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 20, 2019, 12:33:59 PM
Getting kicked out of Metallica had to have been tough, but in the end he won by not having to spend another minute around Lars.
I wonder how well Lars and James get along?
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Post by: ratherbebig on June 20, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
it almost sounds like youre saying that kirks guitarplaying  is worse than lars drumming?

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Post by: APE907 on June 20, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
it almost sounds like youre saying that kirks guitarplaying  is worse than lars drumming?



I am not a guitar player so I will reserve comment on Kirk’s abilities.  I am however a drummer of 30+ years and it is literally shocking how bad Lars is.  I say this as a huge fan of some of Metallica’s recordings. 

It is as though Lars hasn’t bothered to practice in decades.  The proof is watching him play live vs listening to Pro Tools enhanced Metallica studio recordings which clean up all of his slop. 

The other night I clicked a YouTube modern day live Metallica performance of “Orion” from MOP......this is straightforward 4/4 stuff....no intricate double kick or blast beats anywhere in the song.  Lars couldn’t even consistently keep a backbeat.  His fills sounded like a teenager with a couple of years under his belt of playing.  His tempo was ALL OVER the place.  The sad part is that this kind of playing has become the norm for Lars and not the exception.

Pains me to say this because I used to hold AJFA up as a high water mark of metal drumming....even if Lars had incredible assistance from producer Flemming Rasmussen to get those tracks down on tape.
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Post by: ratherbebig on June 20, 2019, 01:44:30 PM
interesting comment.

all i can say is that i found the drums on AYFA "lacking" ;-)

basically they sound like milk cartons too me.

but i suppose its not all technique to judge lars and kirk, one has to include the actual drum and guitar creative parts. for example the slow drums in sad but true or some of kirks solos.

so even if theres a ton of people who would do it better, they would first have to do it (in other words, create it)
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Post by: APE907 on June 20, 2019, 03:46:45 PM
Yes drum sound on AJFA is controversial with clicky kick drums and super dry toms.  The whole album had a certain feel to it that was pretty much a love or hate thing.

Sad but True is a great example of Lars sounding monstrous with lots of space between notes which made whole song sound incredible.
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Post by: Fortress on June 20, 2019, 04:18:54 PM
I wonder how well Lars and James get along?

Well do you wonder or don’t you wonder?

(Teachable Moment: A question mark in your sentence is not required.)

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Post by: Fortress on June 20, 2019, 04:28:34 PM
Basically they sound like milk cartons too me.

To and too. Not particularly difficult.

It’s TOO hot. That movie is TOO long. You’re hungry, TOO?

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Post by: Matt on June 20, 2019, 04:30:53 PM
To and too. Not particularly difficult.

It’s TOO hot. That movie is TOO long. You’re hungry, TOO?



The title Dumb and Dumber To made sense though.
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Post by: Skeletor on June 20, 2019, 04:33:53 PM
"And Justice for Jason".

How the album would have sounded with bass, if it wasn't for Ulrich.

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Post by: APE907 on June 20, 2019, 07:28:56 PM
"And Justice for Jason".

How the album would have sounded with bass, if it wasn't for Ulrich.




Much meatier sounding.

Jason got a bum deal in Metallica.  Nice guy and well spoken.

Even though I rag on Ulrich pretty hard.....the group wouldn’t be the same without him. 
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Post by: Anna Recksiek on June 20, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
Fuck Metallica - I wasn’t a fan before I saw that movie about them and couldn’t believe they were such pussies. The new bass player is good but he joined a shit band  but at least he’s getting paid now.
Anyway, it’s sucks that the thread about the Megadeth guy getting cancer turned into a metallica thread
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 21, 2019, 03:09:11 AM
Fuck Metallica - I wasn’t a fan before I saw that movie about them and couldn’t believe they were such pussies. The new bass player is good but he joined a shit band  but at least he’s getting paid now.
Anyway, it’s sucks that the thread about the Megadeth guy getting cancer turned into a metallica thread
All metal threads turn into a Metallica thread because they are the greatest metal band ever!  Mustaine was an original member so there's that as well.
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Post by: Gym Rat on November 24, 2022, 01:55:09 PM
Megadeth covers one of my favorite Priest songs off of my favorite Priest album. (Hell Bent for Leather).

Delivering the Goods (Obviously the vocals are lacking). Not many can pull of Halford range.

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Post by: Kwon_2 on November 24, 2022, 02:13:25 PM
No way in Hell was Megadeth ever better than Metallica.

As a whole they're better

Nothing can beat Metallicas first four Albums but the rest was not as good, St Anger was sheisse for example, Load and Reload what a bunch o crap

Megadeth has been more consistent
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Post by: 20inch calves on November 24, 2022, 02:23:57 PM
As far as instrumentals that may be so although all of Megadeth's songs sound the same to me.  The quality of Metallica's music and live performances is preferred by me and millions of others over Megadeth.


U mean Metallica sounds like Megadeth. Metallica is meica because the sound and lyrics Dave wrote
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 26, 2022, 01:01:54 AM

U mean Metallica sounds like Megadeth. Metallica is meica because the sound and lyrics Dave wrote
For a few albums.
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Post by: Mayday on November 26, 2022, 02:24:41 AM
Kill ‘em all was a bit to thrash IMO.
Ride was where Metallica embraced more melodic guitar like iron maiden
Puppets was perfect
Justice was perfect
Black was mainstream and they lost the melodic guitars
Anything after was shit.

I should listen to more Megadeath.
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Post by: Gym Rat on November 26, 2022, 02:40:25 AM
Kill ‘em all was a bit to thrash IMO.
Ride was where Metallica embraced more melodic guitar like iron maiden
Puppets was perfect
Justice was perfect
Black was mainstream and they lost the melodic guitars
Anything after was shit.

I should listen to more Megadeath.

Liked 'em all up until "Justice" even with the horrible mix.
After that.. "Nahhh"...

I saw them on Master of Puppets tour w/ Ozzy (Cliff on Bass), fantastic...
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Post by: youandme on November 26, 2022, 05:51:20 AM
Im a huge megadeth fan and have seen them many times.

the new apple iphone commercial has Megadeth playing in it - by far the coolest TV commercial in a long time



I like Metallica and Megadeth equal - both are awesome and different - the comparison between the two is fucking stupid. if you like metal (I used to be a big metalhead in the late 1990s) they are both solid and different.

the first metal song that blew my mind was Symphony of destruction



i think many of my best workouts were fueled by megadeth CDs while i rocked a skip free CD player. god damn that CD was big to have on my waste back in 1999-2001
Haha same. Lots of good workouts in the 90s and early 2000s to them.
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Post by: Gym Rat on November 26, 2022, 06:15:50 AM
I saw "Peace Sells" tour in a small club in Boston (1986).
(Chris Poland and Gar).

Great lineup... My favorite..
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Post by: CalvinH on November 26, 2022, 04:40:59 PM


I saw them on Master of Puppets tour w/ Ozzy (Cliff on Bass), fantastic...


Been there,done that and they were awesome.


...I didn't know who they were at the time.
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Post by: Marty Champions on November 26, 2022, 04:43:11 PM
mega faggit is more like it
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Post by: Mayday on November 26, 2022, 11:40:14 PM
Liked 'em all up until "Justice" even with the horrible mix.
After that.. "Nahhh"...

I saw them on Master of Puppets tour w/ Ozzy (Cliff on Bass), fantastic...

You saw Cliff live? That would have been awesome. Lucky you.

I’ve seen them 5 times live when they come down here. All concerts are pretty much the same, they might play fuel or another latest song but then James says ‘oh so you like the old
Shit huh?’ And the rest of the concert is ride/puppets/justice/black albums. Very cool they do that as nobody wants to hear the new shit.

I would have like to see guns n roses live. Axel’s voice is fucked but what they should do is overlay his vocals from an old live concert. People would accept that. Nobody wants to hear how bad his voice is now.
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Post by: Gym Rat on November 27, 2022, 01:26:53 AM
You saw Cliff live? That would have been awesome. Lucky you.


Probably one of my favorite metal bas players. (I play myself so he was one that I molded myself after).
Steve Harris is of course the "metal-bass god" for me, but of course there are other influences. (I like finger-players over picks).