THE END OF THE LIVER KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GymnJuice]

Nope, didn’t say that either, as if a man with just-over-300 values with symptoms and perhaps a non-functioning pituitary (low FSH, low LH) wouldn’t be served well with TRT.

Do you like making assumptions just to argue?

You don’t know wtf you are talking about so just shut up

Hanky gets snippy when you point out his undetectable FSH and LH levels.

[loco]

LOL...this made Yahoo, RollingStone news:

Organ-Devouring ‘Liver King’ Blasted by Bodybuilders Over Alleged Steroid Use

On Monday, Derek released a video called “The Liver King Lie,” which has now been viewed 675,000 times in under 24 hours. The hour-long exposé recounts the history of Johnson’s virality before delving into a number of emails Johnson allegedly sent to an unnamed bodybuilding coach in mid-2021, before he had officially launched his Liver King brand.

In these messages, Johnson appears to relate his plans for gaining a million social media followers within a few short months by pushing his body to its absolute limit, aided by a human growth hormone regimen that was costing him $11,000 per month. Derek also shared an even earlier, unread email that he found in the depths of his own inbox, in which the future Liver King apparently asks for a consultation and expresses interest in acquiring HGH. The request, if Johnson really made it, would indicate that he was woefully unaware of Derek’s interest in unmasking steroid users professing to be naturally buff.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/organ-devouring-liver-king-blasted-143936132.html

[BBSSchlemiel]

Hanky gets snippy when you point out his undetectable FSH and LH levels.

I see.

[IroNat]

It's not odd if you consider the benefits.  I train like a mf'er, eat well (80% rule), am active, sleep pretty good, etc.....

But even that has it's limitations as you get older.

If you could safely increase energy levels, mood, sleep, strength, recovery, etc...and all the other stuff, why not?  This stuff is all about risk/benefit ratios, and the benefits will outweigh the risk for so many.

Sometimes it's not about getting to "normal", but above it.

And, to be clear, I'm not using.

Of course you can use drugs to exceed your normal levels.  Nothing new there.

That's why bodybuilders and athletes have been using drugs for decades.

[Grape Ape]

Of course you can use drugs to exceed your normal levels.  Nothing new there.

That's why bodybuilders and athletes have been using drugs for decades.

Yeah, but TRT isn't about being lazy or 'cheating', winning a contest or athletic event.  It something that improves quality of life, possibly risk free.

[TheGrinch]

who did he finally piss off to be outed now?

been this way for a long time.... had to have pissed of someone for all this stuff to suddenly be leaked

[bhank]

You said the entire human race will be sterile in 50 years time.

Based on current projections correct maybe less

https://www.cfhu.org/news/the-human-race-could-be-infertile-in-50-years/

https://medicaldialogues.in/mdtv/healthshorts/over-50-percent-decline-in-sperm-counts-globally-in-last-46-years-even-in-india-study-102480

https://english.elpais.com/science-tech/2022-11-16/the-quality-of-human-sperm-has-dropped-by-half-in-the-last-half-century.html

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/15/humans-could-face-reproductive-crisis-as-sperm-count-declines-study-finds

https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/26/sperm-count-declining-fertility-rate-decline/

https://scitechdaily.com/looming-crisis-alarming-study-shows-significant-decline-in-sperm-counts-globally/

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/16/sperm-count-decline-is-a-global-crisis-threatening-humanity-17767054/?ico=more_text_links


But sure every all natty soggy getbigger is in a normal healthy range bwhahaha

[Dave D]

Based on current projections correct maybe less

https://www.cfhu.org/news/the-human-race-could-be-infertile-in-50-years/

https://medicaldialogues.in/mdtv/healthshorts/over-50-percent-decline-in-sperm-counts-globally-in-last-46-years-even-in-india-study-102480

https://english.elpais.com/science-tech/2022-11-16/the-quality-of-human-sperm-has-dropped-by-half-in-the-last-half-century.html

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/15/humans-could-face-reproductive-crisis-as-sperm-count-declines-study-finds

https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/26/sperm-count-declining-fertility-rate-decline/

https://scitechdaily.com/looming-crisis-alarming-study-shows-significant-decline-in-sperm-counts-globally/

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/16/sperm-count-decline-is-a-global-crisis-threatening-humanity-17767054/?ico=more_text_links


But sure every all natty soggy getbigger is in a normal healthy range bwhahaha

Hankins you are a walking contradiction.

[JackTheRipper]

I love Liver & onions....

[King Shizzo]

I've been carnivore for a year now, I feel fucking incredible, I've never felt better in my life, crazy strength, endurance, recovery, digestion is perfect I honestly never fart may fart once a week tops, sleep like a baby, body feels just in tune, no aches/pains, skin looks great, hair is thick and full, tons of energy zero stimulates gave up coffee/pre workout everything. I can't say enough about raw milk, fucking incredible man, I wish I grew up on farms as a kid, I cab see why some many farmers are just strong as fuck, all these giant linebackers and shit coming from Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana, Texas, etc.. that real unprocessed food, fresh eggs, fresh butter, raw dairy, and red meat.

Calm down, buddy. Your post gave you an orgasm.

[Gym Rat]

Yeah, but TRT isn't about being lazy or 'cheating', winning a contest or athletic event.  It something that improves quality of life, possibly risk free.

Folks that haven't done (real) TRT probably shouldn't comment on it like its fact. (Not you Grape, just that many do, and they dont know anything about it).
"In-range" levels do zero for muscle-gain or strength. (Might motivate one to get in the gym, work harder, maybe be more fit).

Its when you go beyond it, then things happen.

The old guy they used to use in the TRT ads that was jacked, looking at his before/after, yeah, Im sure that dude was cycling and not doing legit in-range stuff.
The ads fooled a lot of fools...

[Grape Ape]

Folks that haven't done (real) TRT probably shouldn't comment on it like its fact. (Not you Grape, just that many do, and they dont know anything about it).
"In-range" levels do zero for muscle-gain or strength. (Might motivate one to get in the gym, work harder, maybe be more fit).

Its when you go beyond it, then things happen.

The old guy they used to use in the TRT ads that was jacked, looking at his before/after, yeah, Im sure that dude was cycling and not doing legit in-range stuff.
The ads fooled a lot of fools...

Agree 100%

I have researched this, and talked to docs.  I just don't feel I need to.

Could change in a few years though.

[Gym Rat]

Agree 100%

I have researched this, and talked to docs.  I just don't feel I need to.

Could change in a few years though.

600 is a great level to be at. No need to suppress that right now.
Once you get older, and if you start feeling shitty (lack of energy, libido, etc) go and get tested again...
I waited 'til I was 50. I tested at around 750-total when I was 40 (pre-Statin bloodwork).
A decade on Statins and aging, I went down to 250-total. Quite a drop.

Statins destroy test-levels, as most of our test is made in our Cholesterol. I just happened to have an issue with my body making too much bad cholesterol.
(Runs in family).  My LDL and Trig's were double of what they should be. (Same for HDL which is good). But the bad stuff and high risk-ratio overrode that...

[joswift]

Based on current projections correct maybe less

https://www.cfhu.org/news/the-human-race-could-be-infertile-in-50-years/

https://medicaldialogues.in/mdtv/healthshorts/over-50-percent-decline-in-sperm-counts-globally-in-last-46-years-even-in-india-study-102480

https://english.elpais.com/science-tech/2022-11-16/the-quality-of-human-sperm-has-dropped-by-half-in-the-last-half-century.html

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/15/humans-could-face-reproductive-crisis-as-sperm-count-declines-study-finds

https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/26/sperm-count-declining-fertility-rate-decline/

https://scitechdaily.com/looming-crisis-alarming-study-shows-significant-decline-in-sperm-counts-globally/

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/16/sperm-count-decline-is-a-global-crisis-threatening-humanity-17767054/?ico=more_text_links


But sure every all natty soggy getbigger is in a normal healthy range bwhahaha

Because taking huge amounts of hormones will improve your chances of having children..

[Grape Ape]

600 is a great level to be at. No need to suppress that right now.
Once you get older, and if you start feeling shitty (lack of energy, libido, etc) go and get tested again...
I waited 'til I was 50. I tested at around 750-total when I was 40 (pre-Statin bloodwork).
A decade on Statins and aging, I went down to 250-total. Quite a drop.

Statins destroy test-levels, as most of our test is made in our Cholesterol. I just happened to have an issue with my body making too much bad cholesterol.
(Runs in family).  My LDL and Trig's were double of what they should be. (Same for HDL which is good). But the bad stuff and high risk-ratio overrode that...

Been on statins myself, so maybe I am similar.

[joswift]

Been on statins myself, so maybe I am similar.

Get off them
You are better off with high cholesterol than it being too low

Cholesterol helps you form memories

Statins could be the reason of the rise in dementia cases.

[Grape Ape]

Get off them
You are better off with high cholesterol than it being too low

Cholesterol helps you form memories

Statins could be the reason of the rise in dementia cases.

I have read this as well, and also that high cholesterol is not the issue, but the trig ratios and what not.

[joswift]

I have read this as well, and also that high cholesterol is not the issue, but the trig ratios and what not.

the people who did the trials to establish the cholesterol levels that trigger a prescription for statins were funded by the people who provide statins.

[Grape Ape]

the people who did the trials to establish the cholesterol levels that trigger a prescription for statins were funded by the people who provide statins.

Yes.

Also heard CoQ10 was part of the original statin formula, but was removed for cost savings.

[bhank]

I heard quail eggs and turkomestene with liver tablets was the secret

[BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT]

All he needs to do now...is align himself with the left....and claim that MAGA White Supremacy had it in for him. All will go away.

[Grape Ape]

I heard quail eggs and turkomestene with liver tablets was the secret

Only if pasture raised quail eggs and grass fed liver tabs.

[deadz]

I love Liver & onions....

Just remember the liver is a detoxification organ.

[wes]

Get off them
You are better off with high cholesterol than it being too low

Cholesterol helps you form memories

Statins could be the reason of the rise in dementia cases.

I`m getting off mine....I can`t remember shit as it is.

[BBSSchlemiel]

You guys are aware that Liver King can ignore all this a la Jason Blaha, keep trucking along, and be just fine, and unlike Blaha, rich!