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NEW RULES
« on: October 03, 2009, 05:27:31 PM »

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2009, 05:53:03 PM »
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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2009, 11:38:51 PM »
what happened in australia?  that's insane weather.  also - cali just had the biggest wildfire ever and now their wildfire season is year round?

i dont know what's causing climate change, but that's some serious as shit overnight changes.  If LA ends up with that kind of 'super drought' next... holy crap!

Finally - is there anyone out there who completely denies climate change?  or do most people agree it's real, and are just split over if it's man-made or nature's cycle?

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2009, 11:51:36 PM »
its real but not man made.

U. S. Senate Minority Report:
More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over
Man-Made Global Warming Claims 
Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008 &
2009

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9


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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2009, 11:53:04 PM »
its real but not man made.

Someone prove him wrong....  Can you?
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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 12:05:40 AM »
it's both

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 02:56:34 AM »
its real but not man made.

U. S. Senate Minority Report:
More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over
Man-Made Global Warming Claims 
Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008 &
2009

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9



There has been so much effort do derail the climate change issue - how can you take anything the government says seriously. 2 years ago it would have been there is no climate change - now it's there is climate change but it's not us ...  :-\

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 05:45:42 AM »
There has been so much effort do derail the climate change issue - how can you take anything the government says seriously. 2 years ago it would have been there is no climate change - now it's there is climate change but it's not us ...  :-\

Did it ever dawn on you that the earth is constantly in a state of change and has been so since it was formed? 

Did it ever dawn on you that the effect of things completely outside our control has a far greater impact than you watching your flat screen?

Did it ever dawn on you that the earth is billions of years old and we have only been here for 100,000 years at best and the earth has endured far worse than anything we ever could create?

Did it ever dawn on you that the real agenda behind the 'green" movement has nothing to do with the environment, but increased control, more taxes, and more regulation over your life? 


Its amazing how the "green " movement completely mimics they very worst aspects of religion that left wingers typically mock and critcize.  They mock christiantiy but adore environmentalism in the same fashion.  Incredible. 

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2009, 06:37:36 AM »
Did it ever dawn on you that the earth is constantly in a state of change and has been so since it was formed? 

Did it ever dawn on you that the effect of things completely outside our control has a far greater impact than you watching your flat screen?

Did it ever dawn on you that the earth is billions of years old and we have only been here for 100,000 years at best and the earth has endured far worse than anything we ever could create?

Did it ever dawn on you that the real agenda behind the 'green" movement has nothing to do with the environment, but increased control, more taxes, and more regulation over your life? 


Its amazing how the "green " movement completely mimics they very worst aspects of religion that left wingers typically mock and critcize.  They mock christiantiy but adore environmentalism in the same fashion.  Incredible. 

Yeah you sound like a CT nut to me - all I know is 5 years ago they would've been saying there is no global warming - now they're saying there is global warming but we're not the cause. Well I smell a rat, if you don't then you've been drinking too much of the kool aid.

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2009, 06:38:47 AM »
... oh next they'll be saying "yeah we fucked up but it's ok all OUR investments are safe".

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2009, 06:43:46 AM »
Hey, we all went to school and learned about the Dust Bowl and how human intervention was a key factor.

But global warming? Nah, that can't be humans.

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2009, 06:49:54 AM »
From National Geographic News:

Global Warming Fast FactsNational Geographic News

Updated June 14, 2007
Global warming, or climate change, is a subject that shows no sign of cooling down.

Here's the lowdown on why it's happening, what's causing it, and how it might change the planet.

Is It Happening?

Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.

• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.

• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.

• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

Are Humans Causing It?

 "Very likely," the IPCC said in a February 2007 report.

The report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.

• Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface. (See an interactive feature on how global warming works.)

• Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it.

• These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, meaning that even if such emissions were eliminated today, it would not immediately stop global warming.

• Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

• Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.

What's Going to Happen?

A follow-up report by the IPCC released in April 2007 warned that global warming could lead to large-scale food and water shortages and have catastrophic effects on wildlife.

• Sea level could rise between 7 and 23 inches (18 to 59 centimeters) by century's end, the IPCC's February 2007 report projects. Rises of just 4 inches (10 centimeters) could flood many South Seas islands and swamp large parts of Southeast Asia.

• Some hundred million people live within 3 feet (1 meter) of mean sea level, and much of the world's population is concentrated in vulnerable coastal cities. In the U.S., Louisiana and Florida are especially at risk.

• Glaciers around the world could melt, causing sea levels to rise while creating water shortages in regions dependent on runoff for fresh water.

• Strong hurricanes, droughts, heat waves, wildfires, and other natural disasters may become commonplace in many parts of the world. The growth of deserts may also cause food shortages in many places.

• More than a million species face extinction from disappearing habitat, changing ecosystems, and acidifying oceans.

• The ocean's circulation system, known as the ocean conveyor belt, could be permanently altered, causing a mini-ice age in Western Europe and other rapid changes.

• At some point in the future, warming could become uncontrollable by creating a so-called positive feedback effect. Rising temperatures could release additional greenhouse gases by unlocking methane in permafrost and undersea deposits, freeing carbon trapped in sea ice, and causing increased evaporation of water.


We can beat a dead horse and say it is not happening or we can all take constructive action and evolve.



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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2009, 06:56:52 AM »
Yeah you sound like a CT nut to me - all I know is 5 years ago they would've been saying there is no global warming - now they're saying there is global warming but we're not the cause. Well I smell a rat, if you don't then you've been drinking too much of the kool aid.

GW is another fallacy from the green cult.  Almost all data shows that if anything, the earth is cooling for the last 10 years. 

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2009, 07:01:39 AM »
Yeah, lets pass a carbon tax, give al gore billions, let the govt mandate our eletric use, mandate that we retrofit our homes, etc. 

Give me a break.  Watch this and learn a damn thing or two. 


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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2009, 07:30:27 AM »
I love George Carlin.

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2009, 07:33:09 AM »
I love George Carlin.


To me, that is one of his best ever, not only because I agree with it ( ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D) but he really places things in context overall in terms of our own perceived self importance.

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2009, 07:39:28 AM »
I love the part where he says "The planet is fine. The people are fucked".

 ;D ;D

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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2009, 07:40:14 AM »
To me, that is one of his best ever, not only because I agree with it ( ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D) but he really places things in context overall in terms of our own perceived self importance.

i couldn't agree more

but he really places things in context overall in terms of our own perceived self importance




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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2009, 07:42:58 AM »
what happened in australia?  that's insane weather.  also - cali just had the biggest wildfire ever and now their wildfire season is year round?

i dont know what's causing climate change, but that's some serious as shit overnight changes.  If LA ends up with that kind of 'super drought' next... holy crap!

Finally - is there anyone out there who completely denies climate change?  or do most people agree it's real, and are just split over if it's man-made or nature's cycle?

It's Obama's fault. Part of his socialist agenda.
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Re: NEW RULES
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2009, 08:20:36 AM »
i couldn't agree more

but he really places things in context overall in terms of our own perceived self importance





I agree about religion.  Its mostly nonsense.  Its good for kids to have a strong moral base, but for adults to believe half this stuff is well . . . .