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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #200 on: May 15, 2016, 02:05:07 PM »
Trump supports letting people urinate wherever they feel comfy, and he's doubled down on it too. 

So any repubs bitching about it, I'm not sure what to tell you.  Maybe hilary will oppose it... most of you voted for her hubby anyway ;)

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #201 on: May 15, 2016, 02:17:14 PM »
Trump supports letting people urinate wherever they feel comfy, and he's doubled down on it too. 

So any repubs bitching about it, I'm not sure what to tell you.  Maybe hilary will oppose it... most of you voted for her hubby anyway ;)

So I guess you're voting Trump or is it Killary? Since you think Trumps a lib it shouldn't make a difference, right?

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #202 on: May 15, 2016, 02:25:53 PM »
So I guess you're voting Trump or is it Killary? Since you think Trumps a lib it shouldn't make a difference, right?

I'm voting neither.  Dos Equis is voting gary johnson, i may have to do that.

Trump = hilary.  None of this "well, I guess it's the lesser of two evils..."
Trump's impulsiveness is perhaps just as dangerous as hilary's dishonesty, and their policies are identical.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #203 on: May 15, 2016, 02:27:27 PM »
So I guess you're voting Trump or is it Killary? Since you think Trumps a lib it shouldn't make a difference, right?

Although President Trump might be interesting.... he's a 911 Truther.  Imagine how cute that'd be when his reckless ass starts talking about that.   

Trump = impulsive chaos.  He's proven he can't make "deals" very well at the govt level... Cruz duped him for delegates over and over again, and he still hasn't been endorsed by Paul Ryan. 

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #204 on: May 16, 2016, 09:43:03 AM »
Biological sex.

It should be that simple.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #205 on: May 16, 2016, 09:44:20 AM »
Jesus was talking about minorities in general, at least that's what I've always been taught.

Lepers, prostitutes, anyone that society deemed "unworthy".


I agree, although that doesn't mean we have to use the law to legitimize lifestyle choices. 

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #206 on: May 16, 2016, 09:48:26 AM »
What is the military going to do about this bathroom issue? 

Disagreements slow Pentagon’s plan to allow transgender service members
By Dan Lamothe
May 15, 2016
 

Air Force Staff Sgt. Logan Ireland is among the estimated 12,800 transgender service members waiting to see what the Pentagon does. (Photo courtesy Logan Ireland)

Months before Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said the Pentagon would take steps toward allowing transgender people to serve openly in the military, Army Staff Sgt. Patricia King last year became what she believes is the first openly transgender member of the infantry. While official Pentagon policy still forbids openly transgender personnel, her commanders have been supportive, she said. King even purchased a female dress Army service uniform, anticipating that she would be able to wear it soon.

“I made a decision that owning that uniform was important to me, and I believe that our leadership is going to do the right thing,” she said.

But four months after a deadline set Carter set for a working group to finish evaluating the change, transgender service members are still waiting. Officials say disagreements remain in the Defense Department about how to move forward, suggesting that the Pentagon isn’t close to wrapping up the review, let alone instituting any changes.

[Pentagon chief announces plan to allow transgender military service]

Peter Levine, who recently took over as the Pentagon’s acting personnel chief, said that Carter remains committed to pursuing the change, but added that it will likely take “months, but not large numbers of months” more to finalize details.

“If there was consensus on it, yeah, we would have done it,” Levine said. “But obviously there are different views from different officials in the services.”

He added: “We’re going to work through that . . . and we’re going to do it expeditiously so that we can do it in this administration. But it’s important that we not only do it, but do it right.”


Staff Sgt. Patricia King became what she believes is the first openly gay transgender member of the infantry. (Photo courtesy Patricia King) Staff Sgt. Patricia King became what she believes is the first openly transgender member of the infantry. (Photo courtesy Patricia King)

The military is already in the middle of a historic transition allowing women to serve in all combat roles. And the Pentagon is grappling with transgender rights as the issue has gained attention in other parts of the country, including North Carolina, where the governor is facing off with the federal government over a ban on transgender people using bathrooms that don’t match the gender they were assigned on their birth certificates. The Justice Department ruled the law discriminatory last week, and North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) sued the department Monday, accusing the federal government of “baseless and blatant overreach.”

Also on Friday, the Obama administration directed schools across the country to provide transgender students with access to suitable facilities.

The Pentagon’s decades-old policy considers transgender people to be sexual deviants, allowing the military to discharge them. The services — and later, Carter — decided last year to move that discharge authority to higher levels in the military, making it more difficult to force out transgender people. The lack of a new policy, however, continues to create complicated situations for transgender service members and their commanders.

In one case, Army Sgt. Shane Ortega, a transgender man, was required last summer to go to a uniform shop where he was stationed at Schofield Barracks in Hawaii with a senior enlisted soldier to obtain a female dress uniform in order to meet Army officials at the Pentagon to discuss transgender policy concerns, according to Ortega and Army officials.

Ortega said the incident showed “a real lack of leadership and a lack of human compassion” and demonstrated the level of discrimination and ignorance in the military about transgender people is huge.

“I had to go through this experience at a public time … and try on this uniform in a public space and basically be humiliated because everyone in the space is going to go, ‘Why is this male soldier trying on this female uniform?’ ”

Wayne Hall, an Army spokesman, said that service policy dictated that “the appropriate uniform” for Ortega was the female dress uniform because he enlisted as a woman in 2009. Ortega and Hall said that the requirement was eventually dropped and that Ortega was allowed to wear a more unisex camouflage utility uniform to the meeting.


Army Sgt. Shane Ortega shaves at home at Wheeler Army Airfield on March 26, 2015, in Wahiawa, Hawaii. (Kent Nishimura/For The Washington Post)

The Palm Center, an independent think tank that researches issues of sexuality, has assessed that there are about 12,800 transgender service members in the military. That’s down from 15,500, due to reductions in the overall size of the military in recent years, said Aaron Belkin, the center’s director.

Dozens of transgender service members have come out to their units, but the Pentagon hasn’t released directives for such gender-specific issues as uniforms, grooming and bathroom usage.

The services, for example, have some dress uniforms that include skirts. They also allow different hair length for men and women and have different physical fitness requirements for men and women. For example, the Marine Corps requires pull-ups for men but not for women. The Army requires push-ups instead of pull-ups, but fewer for women.

Some transgender service members also have had transfers to new units put on hold while the Pentagon sorts out its plan. They are also waiting to see how the military will address health-care coverage. The Pentagon does not currently cover hormone treatment for gender dysphoria, the medical term for wanting to transition gender, but it published a notice in the Federal Register in February that it is considering covering nonsurgical care.

“People are certainly suffering,” said Belkin, who met with Pentagon officials to discuss his group’s research. “It’s really unconscionable that they would leave 12,800 in limbo like this.”

The transgender issue is part of a larger set of reforms Carter tapped a former naval officer and Iraq War veteran, Brad Carson, to carry out as acting undersecretary of personnel and readiness. But Carson, a former Democratic congressman from Oklahoma, faced a surprisingly difficult confirmation hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee in February, at which Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.), the chairman, and other members attacked Carson and his proposed changes.


Brad Carson, then the undersecretary of the Army, speaks to an Afghan service member in 2014. (Sgt. Antony S. Lee/Army)

The main target was his so-called Force of the Future plan, which promised to shake up the military service by, for instance, eliminating the military’s structured “up-or-out” promotion rules, which typically force someone who has been bypassed for a promotion to eventually leave the service.

“This initiative has been an outrageous waste of official time and resources during a period of severe fiscal restraints,” McCain fumed.

Carson and his top adviser, Morgan Plummer, announced their resignations a few weeks later. Carson declined to comment for this article, and Plummer could not be reached, but there are indications that they considered nearly all their work on the new transgender policy finished when they left. One of Carson’s last accomplishments before leaving was delivering an implementation plan to Carter on transgender policy, Politico reported last month.

One issue Carson did not consider settled was how long the Defense Department should require transgender people to wait after transitioning their sex before being allowed to join the military, according to a defense official, speaking on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss Pentagon deliberations. The Army and Marine Corps advocated 24 months, while the Navy and Air Force thought 12 were sufficient, citing recommendations from medical professionals. Carson, perhaps trying to negotiate the land services down, recommended requiring a six-month wait, the defense official said.

During the daily briefing on Monday, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said officials in President Obama's administration "welcome" Defense Secretary Ashton Carter's comments that seemed to express openness to abolishing the ban on transgender Americans serving in the military. (AP)

It’s unclear whether the military has resolved whether to help pay for the cost of surgery for transgender service members who request it. A Rand Corp. study commissioned by the Defense Department and first reported on by the New York Times last month found that repealing the ban on transgender service would have minimal impact on the force and lead to no more than 129 of the military’s million-plus troops seeking transition-related care each year.

Carter, speaking to an auditorium of Air Force Academy cadets Thursday, said that the only barriers that should prevent someone from serving are “practical issues that we can’t work through,” and he predicted that the Pentagon will soon wrap up its work on the change. He told reporters afterward that “there aren’t any hang-ups” preventing a new policy from being adopted and that the working group is doing a thorough job.

A transgender airman, Staff Sgt. Logan Ireland, said he was given an exception to a policy that allowed him to serve as a man during a deployment to Afghanistan’s Kandahar Airfield between October 2014 and May 2015. He said he’s now convinced that it’s not a matter of if the policy will change, but when.

“You’ve got to look at the bigger picture in the military,” he said. “We have bigger issues and world problems going on. It will change, and we’ll have full gender inclusion.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/05/15/disagreements-slow-pentagons-plan-to-allow-transgender-service-members/

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #207 on: May 16, 2016, 09:52:45 AM »
Funny how we've been getting by just fine without putting a spotlight on who is using which RR, but suddenly the Fake-Issue Patrol has made it into the biggest public concern of all time.

What the f is wrong with us?

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #208 on: May 16, 2016, 09:56:28 AM »
trump, obama, bernie, and hilary are all in SUPPORT of this


so repubs can get mad, but hey, your guy backs this.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #209 on: May 17, 2016, 10:04:58 AM »
More further proof that this transgender thing is blown out of proportion and utterly ridiculous. This is at the very bottom of the google page.


 "Proud supporters of the International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia"


Why do they insist on shoving this down our throats (no pun intended) and keep making a non-issue....an issue? Even my gay clients and friends thinks it's ridiculous.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #210 on: May 17, 2016, 10:07:38 AM »
This whole thing seems very stupid.

Is there anyone here defending this?  ...that a person should be able to use the restroom that he/she best identifies themselves with over what they actually are?

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #211 on: May 17, 2016, 10:13:43 AM »
This whole thing seems very stupid.

Is there anyone here defending this?  ...that a person should be able to use the restroom that he/she best identifies themselves with over what they actually are?

Trump/Obama are defending this.

The rest of us, well, I don't want a full grown man being able to share a restroom with my family females because of how he "feels" - because I think people will lie, and do it just to jerk off in ladies room. 

But liberals like Trump, well...

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #212 on: May 17, 2016, 10:20:16 AM »
Trump/Obama are defending this.

The rest of us, well, I don't want a full grown man being able to share a restroom with my family females because of how he "feels" - because I think people will lie, and do it just to jerk off in ladies room. 

But liberals like Trump, well...

This is precisely why I said you're incapable of discussing or debating policy. This is your only retort in 98% of your posts. 

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #213 on: May 17, 2016, 10:44:41 AM »
This is precisely why I said you're incapable of discussing or debating policy. This is your only retort in 98% of your posts. 

Because repubs aren't realizing that by electing a democrat - Trump - They are moving left on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE, like this one.

It's like arguing about deck chairs on the titanic... handing the White House to Trump means your president will be okay with people with dicks using the ladies restroom because of how they feel. 

But you still support him, right?

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #214 on: May 17, 2016, 12:03:17 PM »
This whole thing seems very stupid.

Is there anyone here defending this?  ...that a person should be able to use the restroom that he/she best identifies themselves with over what they actually are?
I believe I said this would happen years ago and was told by many on here it would never happen. A few back then said they wouldn't care even if it did.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #215 on: May 17, 2016, 12:08:40 PM »
I believe I said this would happen years ago and was told by many on here it would never happen. A few back then said they wouldn't care even if it did.

I might have been one of those who said he didn't care.  I don't care too much now.  If something inappropriate is going to happen in a bathroom, gender laws aren't going to stop it.

Its just stupid to make a law of it IMO.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #216 on: May 17, 2016, 12:22:53 PM »
I might have been one of those who said he didn't care.  I don't care too much now.  If something inappropriate is going to happen in a bathroom, gender laws aren't going to stop it.

Its just stupid to make a law of it IMO.

It is stupid to make a law of it... but then look why the law was made really?

Look at the ridiculousness of what it has turned into.

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/05/woman-tells-horrifying-tale-of-being-stalked-in-target-bathroom-stall/

The nightmare scenario that everyone imagined when Target announced its inclusive bathroom policy has come true. A woman named Ellie DeLano has come forward to tell the story of how she was minding her own business, doing her business in a locked bathroom stall in a Target women’s restroom, when someone peeped through the gap in the door at her. The story has a bit of a twist ending, though: 

    The outer door opened, and someone came in. She walked past the three open stalls and stood directly in front of my door. Then she leaned over and placed her eye firmly up against the gap between the door and the frame and stared in at me.

    I am not making this up. And let me tell you, it was awkward. Bizarre, even. This wasn’t a case of someone hoping all those occupied stalls aren’t really occupied. Mine was the only stall that was occupied. She deliberately stopped and stared in at me. My startled eyes met hers, and she moved away, into one of the larger stalls.

    I got out of my stall as quickly as I could, and as I stood washing my hands, her voice called out.

    “Sorry about that,” she said. “But you know, Target lets men and homosexuals use just any bathroom now. I was making sure you were a woman.”

That’s right, the call is coming from inside your birth-gender!

Ms. DeLano has a lot of great questions for this creep in the rest of her piece, but I’m wondering what the plan was once she discovered a Chanel-clad Hannibal Lecter in the stall, ask for a courtesy flush? As DeLano points out, this sort of action isn’t actually driven by fear, it’s driven by ostentatious moralism. How long will it be before invading women’s privacy in restrooms is considered a form of religious liberty? It seems like we’re already there.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #217 on: May 17, 2016, 12:25:43 PM »
It is stupid to make a law of it... but then look why the law was made really?

Look at the ridiculousness of what it has turned into.

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/05/woman-tells-horrifying-tale-of-being-stalked-in-target-bathroom-stall/

The nightmare scenario that everyone imagined when Target announced its inclusive bathroom policy has come true. A woman named Ellie DeLano has come forward to tell the story of how she was minding her own business, doing her business in a locked bathroom stall in a Target women’s restroom, when someone peeped through the gap in the door at her. The story has a bit of a twist ending, though: 

    The outer door opened, and someone came in. She walked past the three open stalls and stood directly in front of my door. Then she leaned over and placed her eye firmly up against the gap between the door and the frame and stared in at me.

    I am not making this up. And let me tell you, it was awkward. Bizarre, even. This wasn’t a case of someone hoping all those occupied stalls aren’t really occupied. Mine was the only stall that was occupied. She deliberately stopped and stared in at me. My startled eyes met hers, and she moved away, into one of the larger stalls.

    I got out of my stall as quickly as I could, and as I stood washing my hands, her voice called out.

    “Sorry about that,” she said. “But you know, Target lets men and homosexuals use just any bathroom now. I was making sure you were a woman.”

That’s right, the call is coming from inside your birth-gender!

Ms. DeLano has a lot of great questions for this creep in the rest of her piece, but I’m wondering what the plan was once she discovered a Chanel-clad Hannibal Lecter in the stall, ask for a courtesy flush? As DeLano points out, this sort of action isn’t actually driven by fear, it’s driven by ostentatious moralism. How long will it be before invading women’s privacy in restrooms is considered a form of religious liberty? It seems like we’re already there.

It would seem to me that lady in stall had her privacy violated and that a past incident doesn't justify it.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #218 on: May 17, 2016, 12:31:11 PM »
I might have been one of those who said he didn't care.  I don't care too much now.  If something inappropriate is going to happen in a bathroom, gender laws aren't going to stop it.

Its just stupid to make a law of it IMO.
The fart left just need to make their final push for unisex bathrooms, locker rooms and showers and be done with it instead of this annoying ass small march

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #219 on: May 17, 2016, 07:06:36 PM »

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« Reply #221 on: May 17, 2016, 09:48:06 PM »
No problem what so ever.

you don't regularly carry a weapon.

THose of us who do... we know that open carry is an asinine idea. 

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #222 on: May 20, 2016, 05:34:14 PM »
I hope you're joking.  Didn't you mention having a daughter?

My daughter is a grown woman. She can handle herself pretty well. When she was a kid, she beat up the neighbor boy and sent him home crying to his mamma. She was date raped when she was fifteen by her longtime boyfriend. No restrooms were involved....friends who ignored her screams for help were largely responsible for what happened. Free flowing alcohol was also responsible. This happened at a party hosted by the son of a county judge. The rapist was expelled from school for harassing her. The fool thought she would still be his girlfriend. May he rot in hell!

If someone is up to no good, they don't need a restroom to do whatever it is they hope to do.

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« Reply #223 on: May 20, 2016, 06:34:03 PM »
My daughter is a grown woman. She can handle herself pretty well. When she was a kid, she beat up the neighbor boy and sent him home crying to his mamma. She was date raped when she was fifteen by her longtime boyfriend. No restrooms were involved....friends who ignored her screams for help were largely responsible for what happened. Free flowing alcohol was also responsible. This happened at a party hosted by the son of a county judge. The rapist was expelled from school for harassing her. The fool thought she would still be his girlfriend. May he rot in hell!

If someone is up to no good, they don't need a restroom to do whatever it is they hope to do.

It would increase the opportunity for a victimizer to welcome himself behind closed doors with a would-be victim.  It would make it easier for that to happen, with no clear benefit on any other front.

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Re: California city prohibits gender specific restrooms
« Reply #224 on: May 20, 2016, 06:35:52 PM »
And I'm sorry about your daughter going through that, Prime.

But I'm sure you wouldn't want her to contend with weirdos in the can, especially when she was a little girl.