great physique regardless. After years of believing that alot of the bodybuilding results that are thrown in our faces can be achieved without bb drugs, i have faced reality and realized maybe if you train 40 years perfectly with perfect nutrition and perfect hormones and no other ailments... but to be shredded/dried out some drugs have to be in play... no matter what tricks one employs nutrition wise to dry out/etc...
Naturally now a days I can believe in someone being big but fat, or skinny and defined but not both ripped/huge.
Seriously lets get real from a historical perspective, how many people were like the people of today? None. If you look at the first generation of modern body builders... before the drugs.. what did they look like? Even the ones who started employing drugs...