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This guy is playing the TRUMP card...
The dumber he acts, the more the base loves him.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122989/ben-carson-climate-change-gravity-where-did-it-come
:o
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Can you tell us why you buy into liberal thinking?
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Can you tell us why Carson's stupidity is "liberal thinking"?
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Can you tell us why you buy into liberal thinking?
I'm not sure why a personal attack on me somehow negates Carson pretending he has an 80 IQ to draw in all the 80 IQ voters.
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I'm not sure why a personal attack on me somehow negates Carson pretending he has an 80 IQ to draw in all the 80 IQ voters.
How in the world is that a personal attack? It was a simple question.
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How in the world is that a personal attack? It was a simple question.
You're accusing me of buying into liberal thinking.
I think liberals are idiots on most issues. sanders is delusional - cancel all debt, give everyone a bag of money. Socialism has never worked, never will.
To point out the idiocy of Carson isn't liberal anything. I support Cruz, and I think he's losing votes to Carson - while carson pretends to be stupid and feeds of the hatred of voters.
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You're accusing me of buying into liberal thinking.
I think liberals are idiots on most issues. sanders is delusional - cancel all debt, give everyone a bag of money. Socialism has never worked, never will.
To point out the idiocy of Carson isn't liberal anything. I support Cruz, and I think he's losing votes to Carson - while carson pretends to be stupid and feeds of the hatred of voters.
Hook line and sinker
Are you denying it?
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This guy is playing the TRUMP card...
The dumber he acts, the more the base loves him.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122989/ben-carson-climate-change-gravity-where-did-it-come
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Does that mean God created gravity on every planet, or does every planet has its own God?
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Hook line and sinker
Are you denying it?
I've already stated I feel socialism is crap, sanders sucks, but that stupidity sucks too.
What should I be denying again?
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I've already stated I feel socialism is crap, sanders sucks, but that stupidity sucks too.
What should I be denying again?
Your liberalism.
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Your liberalism.
this is a thread about carson pretending to be stupid to win votes. not a bad strategy.
As everyone sees, you have TRIED to make it a thread about me and liberalism.
Sorry, nope. Can't personal attack the way out of it, just address the topic. What's carson doing, coach?
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this is a thread about carson pretending to be stupid to win votes. not a bad strategy.
As everyone sees, you have TRIED to make it a thread about me and liberalism.
Sorry, nope. Can't personal attack the way out of it, just address the topic. What's carson doing, coach?
Rob, this isn't just about Carson. You do this with every viable candidate that threatens the candidates you want in. Are you offended that I called you liberal? That's how you view a personal attack? Most liberals can't say why they're a liberal.
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Rob, this isn't just about Carson.
Actually, this thread is.
You do this with every viable candidate that threatens the candidates you want in.
I want Cruz to win the nomination. So yes, I have no problem pointing out other highly flawed candidates in the GOP race.
Trump is rude, crass, immature and really cannot control himself.
Carson pretends to be stupid and spews really hatred stuff all day.
Cruz is calm, dignified and professional - a great candidate. So there's nothing wrong with me saying the other 2 suck.
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Does that mean God created gravity on every planet, or does every planet has its own God?
HA..good one..as a professor, when I ask my students if they believe in GOD, EVERY SINGLE ONE said they do...when I tell them they have to be more scientific and provide evidence of the things they need to prove in life, they don't get it....and when I ask them why do they believe in GOD they answwer "because my parents told me to"
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This guy is playing the TRUMP card...
The dumber he acts, the more the base loves him.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122989/ben-carson-climate-change-gravity-where-did-it-come
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from the Billo Reilly School of Advanced Education.
"The tides come in, the tides go out"
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Can you tell us why you buy into liberal thinking?
I buy into INTELLIGENT thinking.
Carson is either fucking ignorant - a brain surgeon that doesn't believe a single person was on this planet 6000 years ago - OR he's a liar who is pandering to the base who literally believes 6000 years ago, there was no planet, no sun, no universe, etc.
I love huck's approach - "we cannot take everything in the Bible LITERALLY, I don't think anyone rode in the belly of a whale, etc" - I dislike when people want to win toothless Iowa hillbillies so badly that they're willing to shit on things like facts and science.
it's ENTIRELY possible to respect the Lord and admit this rock and this ocean was actually here, 7000 years ago.
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I buy into INTELLIGENT thinking.
Carson is either fucking ignorant - a brain surgeon that doesn't believe a single person was on this planet 6000 years ago - OR he's a liar who is pandering to the base who literally believes 6000 years ago, there was no planet, no sun, no universe, etc.
I love huck's approach - "we cannot take everything in the Bible LITERALLY, I don't think anyone rode in the belly of a whale, etc" - I dislike when people want to win toothless Iowa hillbillies so badly that they're willing to shit on things like facts and science.
it's ENTIRELY possible to respect the Lord and admit this rock and this ocean was actually here, 7000 years ago.
Are you saying that you're smarter and more intelligent than Carson? Just want to clarify. This is one of those yes or no one word answers that you haven't been able to answer without a two paragraph non-answer.
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Are you saying that you're smarter and more intelligent than Carson? Just want to clarify. This is one of those yes or no one word answers that you haven't been able to answer without a two paragraph non-answer.
"smarter"? In what aspect? IQ? Understanding of the functions of the brain? Knowledge of musical modes?
This whole "smarter" thing is way off - grownups have areas of specialization. Carson is "smarter" in brain surgery. You are "smarter" in human physiology/function. We all have areas of greater experience and expertise.
Rachel Maddow, based on education and IQ, would certainly be considered by most to be "smarter" than sarah palin, but some might consider Palin to be smart (better political ideology/common sense) and Maddow to be dumb, right?
I think carson is pandering. He knows that 7000 years ago, there were animals and humans and this planet was actually fcking here. Carson is pretending otherwise to appeal to a voting block.
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"smarter"? In what aspect? IQ? Understanding of the functions of the brain? Knowledge of musical modes?
This whole "smarter" thing is way off - grownups have areas of specialization. Carson is "smarter" in brain surgery. You are "smarter" in human physiology/function. We all have areas of greater experience and expertise.
Rachel Maddow, based on education and IQ, would certainly be considered by most to be "smarter" than sarah palin, but some might consider Palin to be smart (better political ideology/common sense) and Maddow to be dumb, right?
I think carson is pandering. He knows that 7000 years ago, there were animals and humans and this planet was actually fcking here. Carson is pretending otherwise to appeal to a voting block.
Mmm, we're talking about neurosurgeon thats about 5 levels above most other neurosurgeons that puts him light years above most and infinity light years above anyone on this board. That being said, he picks up on things REAL quick such as everything you mentioned above. To even remotely suggest he's anything less would be absurd.
As for Maddow, no, he's not dumb but as I've said before no matter how book smart a lib is it just proves that their higher education doesn't mean they have commonsense.
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Mmm, we're talking about neurosurgeon thats about 5 levels above most other neurosurgeons that puts him light years above most and infinity light years above anyone on this board. That being said, he picks up on things REAL quick such as everything you mentioned above. To even remotely suggest he's anything less would be absurd.
He has a knack for complex scientific things placed in front of him, and he can remember a lot, and work under stress.
There are super liberal brain surgeons too ;)
This still doesn't explain why he believes something like "6001 years ago, there was no planet here. 6001 years ago, dinosaurs hadn't existed yet.
I think BECAUSE he is so smart, he KNOWS what rock erosion and fossils are, and how they got there.
So it's like... you're making my point that he's very brilliant, but truly and completely LYING to people when he talks that "6000 years old" stuff. Do we agree?
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Mmm, we're talking about neurosurgeon thats about 5 levels above most other neurosurgeons that puts him light years above most and infinity light years above anyone on this board. That being said, he picks up on things REAL quick such as everything you mentioned above. To even remotely suggest he's anything less would be absurd.
As for Maddow, no, he's not dumb but as I've said before no matter how book smart a lib is it just proves that their higher education doesn't mean they have commonsense.
You know I'm not against anyone's particular religion, but there is no common sense in believing that the earth is only 6000 years old.
We have fossils that just simply prove otherwise.
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You know I'm not against anyone's particular religion, but there is no common sense in believing that the earth is only 6000 years old.
We have fossils that just simply prove otherwise.
There are many unexplained things in this universe that will never be answered.
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There are many unexplained things in this universe that will never be answered.
This is correct, but the age of the earth HAS been answered in a general sense.
We have fossils that we KNOW are millions of years old... We KNOW this.
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There are many unexplained things in this universe that will never be answered.
so get on record. Do you believe the earth is greater, or less, than 6000 years old?
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Gravity is the mass of the Earth distorting the Space/Time Continuum...
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There are many unexplained things in this universe that will never be answered.
Really now? NEVER? Can you tell us one such unexplained thing that is in this Universe and will NEVER be answered?
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I buy into INTELLIGENT thinking.
Carson is either fucking ignorant - a brain surgeon that doesn't believe a single person was on this planet 6000 years ago - OR he's a liar who is pandering to the base who literally believes 6000 years ago, there was no planet, no sun, no universe, etc.
I love huck's approach - "we cannot take everything in the Bible LITERALLY, I don't think anyone rode in the belly of a whale, etc" - I dislike when people want to win toothless Iowa hillbillies so badly that they're willing to shit on things like facts and science.
it's ENTIRELY possible to respect the Lord and admit this rock and this ocean was actually here, 7000 years ago.
Wow. You and I actually agree on something. I don't know who is advising him to dumb it down, or if this is a strategy of his own making. It may guarantee him his republican voters but it will certainly lose him independents that were on the fence
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Wow. You and I actually agree on something. I don't know who is advising him to dumb it down, or if this is a strategy of his own making. It may guarantee him his republican voters but it will certainly lose him independents that were on the fence
Getbiggers are embarassed to take positions on the 6000 year thing. "The entire planet was created 6000 years ago" - the amount of science telling us the age of rocks, etc... the planets, etc...
Ugh...
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There are many unexplained things in this universe that will never be answered.
Do you believe this entire planet was created in six days?
Most people are proud to answer either way.
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There are many unexplained things in this universe that will never be answered.
coach,
do you believe, like carson, that the planet is only about 6000 years old?
Or do you side with the scientists saying the earth is about 4 billion years old?
or you aren't sure?
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Rob, this isn't just about Carson. You do this with every viable candidate that threatens the candidates you want in. Are you offended that I called you liberal? That's how you view a personal attack? Most liberals can't say why they're a liberal.
Coach, define Liberal
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I'm for women having a choice about abortion
I'm against affirmative action
I'm for the death penalty if there is empirical evidence to support the conviction that makes an error near impossible
I believe in the free market system
I'm for Embyonic Stem Cell Research
I'm for euthanasia and physician assisted suicide
I believe humans have impacted global warming but I don't really care
I believe in the individual right to own guns but I believe there should be some restrictions imposed on who and type
I support legal immigration, but I know closing the borders is a fantasy. I don't believe illegal immigrants have any rights to social benefits and education, but I don't care if they aren't deported
I believe in the strict separation of church and state, the government has no business in religion.
Same sex marriage doesn't bother me
Lower taxes and small government. Government should very limited in their intrusion into our lives
War in Iraq was a mistake
Am I liberal or conservative?
I think most people are a mixture
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I'm for women having a choice about abortion
I'm against affirmative action
I'm for the death penalty if there is empirical evidence to support the conviction that makes an error near impossible
I believe in the free market system
I'm for Embyonic Stem Cell Research
I'm for euthanasia and physician assisted suicide
I believe humans have impacted global warming but I don't really care
I believe in the individual right to own guns but I believe there should be some restrictions imposed on who and type
I support legal immigration, but I know closing the borders is a fantasy. I don't believe illegal immigrants have any rights to social benefits and education, but I don't care if they aren't deported
I believe in the strict separation of church and state, the government has no business in religion.
Same sex marriage doesn't bother me
Lower taxes and small government. Government should very limited in their intrusion into our lives
War in Iraq was a mistake
Am I liberal or conservative?
I think most people are a mixture
Most are...
You are highly libertarian.
Which I find odd considering that you are a part of the government you wish to be smaller.
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Most are...
You are highly libertarian.
Which I find odd considering that you are a part of the government you wish to be smaller.
I'm conservative on crime, but not all crime. I believe we are wasting money and lives on the war on drugs. Should be decriminalized and regulated like alcohol. The behavior is punished not the possession.
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Getbiggers are embarassed to take positions on the 6000 year thing. "The entire planet was created 6000 years ago" - the amount of science telling us the age of rocks, etc... the planets, etc...
Ugh...
Well, before they had O'Reilly..
(http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2012/11/30810958.jpg)
Now they have the argument "Carson is a neurosurgeon, you can't be smarter than a neurosurgeon so you can't refute him".
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There are many unexplained things in this universe that will never be answered.
You never answered the question. Do you believe the creationist 7th like Carson? The earth is only 5000 to 6000 years old?
Do you think evolution is a lie?
Most people with strong beliefs have no problem admitting them.
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He's taking major flak for the anti evolution thing.
He spoke about it on his book tour. Completely dodged it. Pandering to the base in a hugely obvious way. Answers without sayig a thing.
80% of Carson supporters said they may pick another candidate, only 20% firm.
Spent 11 million to raise 20 mil.
Selling a book. Huck for the win!
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He's taking major flak for the anti evolution thing.
He spoke about it on his book tour. Completely dodged it. Pandering to the base in a hugely obvious way. Answers without sayig a thing.
80% of Carson supporters said they may pick another candidate, only 20% firm.
Spent 11 million to raise 20 mil.
Selling a book. Huck for the win!
God help us
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even huck didn't take the Bible literally though.
Carson is outright scary.
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even huck didn't take the Bible literally though.
Carson is outright scary.
I would vote for uncle Herman before Carson
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even huck didn't take the Bible literally though.
Carson is outright scary.
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I'm watching this neil degrasse tyson series "cosmos" on netflix.
it's such a huge gap between him and carson. This man is telling us about the origins of life and the universe based upon tangible science. Carson has made-up theories about pyramids and grain.
I guess I have to ask about the mental gaps of those supporting carson. You don't care about fact, do you? it's all emotion.
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watching details on how sea creatures developed vision over thousands of generations.
How can Carson understand the brain if he cannot understand something as simple as how the eye developed ability to focus and control light?
I'm more convinced than ever that he understands evolution in a big way - and just lies about it to suck up to people that will be buying his book and watching his FOX tv show next year.
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I'm watching this neil degrasse tyson series "cosmos" on netflix.
it's such a huge gap between him and carson. This man is telling us about the origins of life and the universe based upon tangible science. Carson has made-up theories about pyramids and grain.
I guess I have to ask about the mental gaps of those supporting carson. You don't care about fact, do you? it's all emotion.
Ben carson is a intellectual infant compared to Tyson, I really feel like he is a huge fucking lie.
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Ben carson is a intellectual infant compared to Tyson, I really feel like he is a huge fucking lie.
he's good at brain surgery. But that is it.
He's been wrong on the simplest things regarding history and politics.
I'm really getting into this tyson series and writings. I find it not insulting, but something wose, when an educated person stands up and says this planet, this universe, is only 6000 years old. It's disingenuous. This vast and changing enormous thing - grand canyons, structures, fossils, tectonic platelet shifts...
I would literally call a person stupid. Out loud. Over and over. I would literally ask this person to GTFO because he/she is devolving the human race by even sharing their opinion. It's that bad.
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he's good at brain surgery. But that is it.
He's been wrong on the simplest things regarding history and politics.
I'm really getting into this tyson series and writings. I find it not insulting, but something wose, when an educated person stands up and says this planet, this universe, is only 6000 years old. It's disingenuous.
I think it bears saying again since you missed it before....Carson has never said he believes the earth is 6000 years old. I supplied you with a quote from him I believe at least 3 weeks ago. Did you not see it?
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I think it bears saying again since you missed it before....Carson has never said he believes the earth is 6000 years old. I supplied you with a quote from him I believe at least 3 weeks ago. Did you not see it?
he says he adheres 100% to that 7th day beliefs.
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I think it bears saying again since you missed it before....Carson has never said he believes the earth is 6000 years old. I supplied you with a quote from him I believe at least 3 weeks ago. Did you not see it?
Ben Carson: 'I Do Believe in the Six-Day Creation' of the World
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/ben-carson-i-believe-six-day-creation-world
Dr. Ben Carson, a pediatric neurosurgeon, National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine member, and the author of six best-selling books, said he believes in the six-day creation as described in the Bible and that there is abundant geological evidence there was a worldwide flood.
Dr. Carson, who served on the President’s Council of Bioethics and was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, also said the very first chapter of the Bible, the book of Genesis, discounts the notion of Darwinian evolution by stating that God created every living thing “after its own kind.”
“But why is it people try so hard to get rid of God?” said Dr. Carson at a Celebration of Creation conference, as reported by the Adventist News Network.
“You go back to the very first chapter in the Bible -- and I’m not a hard and fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old -- but I do believe in the six-day creation,” he said.
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Ben Carson: Evolution Is Satanic and the Big Bang Is a Fairy Tale'
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/09/24/ben_carson_anti_science.html
His own quotes.
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I rest my case.. thank you
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“It says, in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth,” continued Dr. Carson. “It doesn’t say when He created them except for in the beginning. The Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it.”
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days
Ben Carson, one of the top-tier contenders in the GOP presidential primary, has long been known as an ardent creationist. He has debated prominent scientists who defend evolution, and it's no secret that his advocacy of creationism springs from his deep faith in the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Christian religion established in the mid-1800s. Creationism is a core belief for many Seventh-day Adventists, and one of the religion's founders, Ellen White, was one of the first purveyors of the notion that the Earth is merely 6,000 years old.
This week, Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, took some heat for his creationism when Buzzfeed reported that during a 2011 lecture that was part of a "Celebration of Creation," Carson decried the Big Bang theory and asserted that Darwin's theory of evolution was "encouraged" by Satan.
In that talk, Carson did take slight issue with White and those creationists who claim the Earth came into existence just several thousand years ago. He noted, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old." Yet Carson quickly added, "I do believe in the six-day creation." And he meant literally six days, not metaphorical days—that is, not days that might have lasted millions of years.
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“It says, in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth,” continued Dr. Carson. “It doesn’t say when He created them except for in the beginning. The Earth could have been here for a long time before he started creating things on it.”
Interesting. You mean 240 has been lying about Caron's views? Shocker.
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/ben-carson-creationism-six-days
Ben Carson, one of the top-tier contenders in the GOP presidential primary, has long been known as an ardent creationist. He has debated prominent scientists who defend evolution, and it's no secret that his advocacy of creationism springs from his deep faith in the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Christian religion established in the mid-1800s. Creationism is a core belief for many Seventh-day Adventists, and one of the religion's founders, Ellen White, was one of the first purveyors of the notion that the Earth is merely 6,000 years old.
This week, Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, took some heat for his creationism when Buzzfeed reported that during a 2011 lecture that was part of a "Celebration of Creation," Carson decried the Big Bang theory and asserted that Darwin's theory of evolution was "encouraged" by Satan.
In that talk, Carson did take slight issue with White and those creationists who claim the Earth came into existence just several thousand years ago. He noted, "I am not a hard-and-fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000 years old." Yet Carson quickly added, "I do believe in the six-day creation." And he meant literally six days, not metaphorical days—that is, not days that might have lasted millions of years.
Mother Jones? Seriously? Could you pick anything more leftist and bias?
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Mother Jones? Seriously? Could you pick anything more leftist and bias?
I picked them for that very reason.. even THEY say he doesn't say he believes in a 6000 year old earth... and if anyone wanted to make him look even more stupid, wouldn't it be Mother Jones? Keep up coach
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Mother Jones? Seriously? Could you pick anything more leftist and bias?
Mother Jones is far to the left of the far left, so no argument there. But I am curious, can you identify a single thing in the quoted passage that is not factual?
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Mother Jones is far to the left of the far left, so no argument there. But I am curious, can you identify a single thing in the quoted passage that is not factual?
no. he cannot and will not.
it's easy to just say "oh, that source sucks" and never look at the article. but the article itself has links and video which cannot be refuted.
it's easy to live like that with minimal critical thinking.
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no. he cannot and will not.
it's easy to just say "oh, that source sucks" and never look at the article. but the article itself has links and video which cannot be refuted.
it's easy to live like that with minimal critical thinking.
and yet, you still say Ben Carson believes in a 6000 year old earth...
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Where did gravity come from?
Carson is not asking a superficial question, but a deep one.
You can say, "well, we think that gravity is a result of bent space-time caused by mass".
Ok. But what causes bent space-time to act in such a way as to cause gravity?
Questions about "how" and "why" things happen are impossible to answer without appeal to God.
You can say "well, X, Y, and Z have been observed to occur prior to or in correlation with the event in question" - but you cannot say anything more than that. No matter what you observe, you always have to ask "what caused that?". Regression as infinitum.
The ultimate cause and reason for phenomena that occurs in the universe is out of the realm of secular scientific study. These are questions of metaphysics that only religious answers apply to.
As for evolution and the age of the earth... yes, most scientists do believe in darwinian theory over billions of years. However, there are people with Phd's who do not believe in those things. Here is a list of just a few:
just a few of the Phd's alive today who believe in Biblical creation=
Dr. Nathaniel T. Jeanseon, PhD in cell and developmental biology from Harvard University.
Dr. Vernon R. Cupps, Ph.D. in nuclear physics Indiana University-Bloomington.
Dr. Jason Lisle, Ph.D. in astrophysics at the University of Colorado.
Dr. John C. Sanford, Ph.D. in plant genetics from University of Wisconsin–Madison.
Dr. Georgia Purdom, PhD in molecular genetics from Ohio State University.
Dr. Leo Hebert III, Ph.D. in physics the University of Texas at Dallas.
Dr. Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D. in genetics from Clemson University.
Dr Frank Marsh, Ph.D. in plant ecology from University of Nebraska.
Dr. Danny Faulkner, Ph.D. in Astronomy from Indiana University.
Dr. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. in physics from Louisiana State University.
Dr. Don Batten, Ph.D. in plant science from the University of Sydney.
Dr. Tas Walker, Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the University of Queensland.
Dr. Pierre Jerlstrom, Ph.D. in Molecular Biology from Griffith University.
Dr. John G. Hartnett Ph.D. in Physics at the University of Western Australia.
Dr. Jim Mason, Ph.D. in experimental Nuclear Physics from McMaster University.
Dr. Jonathan Safarti, Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry from Victoria University of Wellington.
Dr. Robert Carter, Ph.D. in Marine Biology from the University of Miami.
Dr. Jay L. Wile, Ph.D. in Nuclear Chemistry from the University of Rochester.
so, it is safe to say that a large majority of scientists do believe in evolution and billions of years; there is still a large number (though small in percentage) who dont. you guys can believe whatever you want to believe. but one thing you cant believe is that every educated and intelligent person will agree with you.
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Ridiculous.
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Where did gravity come from?
Carson is not asking a superficial question, but a deep one.
Or a completely non-sensical one, why do you assume it has to come from somewhere?
You can say, "well, we think that gravity is a result of bent space-time caused by mass".
Ok. But what causes bent space-time to act in such a way as to cause gravity?
The mass of the object, it is perfectly explained without god, the question you are asking has been answered.
Questions about "how" and "why" things happen are impossible to answer without appeal to God.
Why questions are useless, how questions provide answers. Why am I here versus how am I here, which provides actual answers? why questions are stupid as you are assuming there is a why required, things can just... be.
You can say "well, X, Y, and Z have been observed to occur prior to or in correlation with the event in question" - but you cannot say anything more than that. No matter what you observe, you always have to ask "what caused that?". Regression as infinitum.
Ditto for god, you can't say what caused that and then stop at the answer you find satisfying, god is no more an answer then the magic ju ju, it explains nothing, is intellectual lazy and clearly fucking wrong. You won't even follow your own logic path, you make a statement that all needs a creator then circumvent that by adding a stipulation that the christian god is exempt from this rule, do you know what cognitive dissonance is?
The ultimate cause and reason for phenomena that occurs in the universe is out of the realm of secular scientific study. These are questions of metaphysics that only religious answers apply to.
You sure are pretty fucking certain of yourself, this seems to be a pattern, you are arrogant and ignorant, it's painful to watch your life fall apart in front of our eyes, the reason ultimately being your weakness, mentally in particular.
As for evolution and the age of the earth... yes, most scientists do believe in darwinian theory over billions of years. However, there are people with Phd's who do not believe in those things. Here is a list of just a few:
No no no... no scientist that is worth a grain of salt believes the earth is 6000 years old, that would mean denying reality, aka anti-science. We know for a FACT the earth is not 6000, people believe the earth is flat, in fact some PHD's do, does that mean it's a valid position? no. This stupid song and dance you are doing by appealing to authority is hilarious, what evidence do they have? so is the earth flat? did you want a list of just a few? so while the majority of scientists believe the earth is a globe, some do not, this means the earth could be flat, all opinions are valid if you have a PHD. You have people on this list that do nothing with evolution, how retarded is that? who gives a flying fuck what they think? ideas are a dime a dozen, proving something objectively is hard, something you will never experience as you are intellectually lazy and clearly have brutal OCD. you are suffering from a common symptom, hyper religiousness or scrupulosity, bet those drugs made it go away, didn't they?
just a few of the Phd's alive today who believe in Biblical creation=
Dr. Nathaniel T. Jeanseon, PhD in cell and developmental biology from Harvard University.
Dr. Vernon R. Cupps, Ph.D. in nuclear physics Indiana University-Bloomington.
Dr. Jason Lisle, Ph.D. in astrophysics at the University of Colorado.
Dr. John C. Sanford, Ph.D. in plant genetics from University of Wisconsin–Madison.
Dr. Georgia Purdom, PhD in molecular genetics from Ohio State University.
Dr. Leo Hebert III, Ph.D. in physics the University of Texas at Dallas.
Dr. Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D. in genetics from Clemson University.
Dr Frank Marsh, Ph.D. in plant ecology from University of Nebraska.
Dr. Danny Faulkner, Ph.D. in Astronomy from Indiana University.
Dr. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. in physics from Louisiana State University.
Dr. Don Batten, Ph.D. in plant science from the University of Sydney.
Dr. Tas Walker, Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the University of Queensland.
Dr. Pierre Jerlstrom, Ph.D. in Molecular Biology from Griffith University.
Dr. John G. Hartnett Ph.D. in Physics at the University of Western Australia.
Dr. Jim Mason, Ph.D. in experimental Nuclear Physics from McMaster University.
Dr. Jonathan Safarti, Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry from Victoria University of Wellington.
Dr. Robert Carter, Ph.D. in Marine Biology from the University of Miami.
Dr. Jay L. Wile, Ph.D. in Nuclear Chemistry from the University of Rochester.
so, it is safe to say that a large majority of scientists do believe in evolution and billions of years; there is still a large number (though small in percentage) who dont. you guys can believe whatever you want to believe. but one thing you cant believe is that every educated and intelligent person will agree with you.
Who gives a fuck what some idiots believe, what can they prove? you clearly have never attended a real school, educated people have to prove their position, there beliefs are rooted in fact, so they believe not what they want, but what appears to be real. You seem to value opinion over fact, usually someone is right and someone is wrong if they are talking opposite positions, objective data comes in and trumps your feelings, thoughts and logic, someone is correct like 1+1=2, and someone is wrong, the people on the above list are wrong, they have zero evidence and every field of science opposing them. There is no debate tbombz, just like there is no debate about 1+1=2, you could find PHD's I am sure, but again, that isn't an argument but a fallacy. Are logical fallacies no longer applicable to you? are you above logic?
Show me your evidence of a young earth, I could use a laugh and the mental stimulation.
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Who gives a fuck what some idiots believe, what can they prove? you clearly have never attended a real school, educated people have to prove their position, there beliefs are rooted in fact, so they believe not what they want, but what appears to be real. You seem to value opinion over fact, usually someone is right and someone is wrong if they are talking opposite positions, objective data comes in and trumps your feelings, thoughts and logic, someone is correct like 1+1=2, and someone is wrong, the people on the above list are wrong, they have zero evidence and every field of science opposing them. There is no debate tbombz, just like there is no debate about 1+1=2, you could find PHD's I am sure, but again, that isn't an argument but a fallacy. Are logical fallacies no longer applicable to you? are you above logic?
Show me your evidence of a young earth, I could use a laugh and the mental stimulation.
Next he will post mathematical fallacies to prove that 1+1 doesn't equal 2....
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/57131.html
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Where did gravity come from?
Carson is not asking a superficial question, but a deep one.
You can say, "well, we think that gravity is a result of bent space-time caused by mass".
Ok. But what causes bent space-time to act in such a way as to cause gravity?
Questions about "how" and "why" things happen are impossible to answer without appeal to God.
You can say "well, X, Y, and Z have been observed to occur prior to or in correlation with the event in question" - but you cannot say anything more than that. No matter what you observe, you always have to ask "what caused that?". Regression as infinitum.
The ultimate cause and reason for phenomena that occurs in the universe is out of the realm of secular scientific study. These are questions of metaphysics that only religious answers apply to.
As for evolution and the age of the earth... yes, most scientists do believe in darwinian theory over billions of years. However, there are people with Phd's who do not believe in those things. Here is a list of just a few:
just a few of the Phd's alive today who believe in Biblical creation=
Dr. Nathaniel T. Jeanseon, PhD in cell and developmental biology from Harvard University.
Dr. Vernon R. Cupps, Ph.D. in nuclear physics Indiana University-Bloomington.
Dr. Jason Lisle, Ph.D. in astrophysics at the University of Colorado.
Dr. John C. Sanford, Ph.D. in plant genetics from University of Wisconsin–Madison.
Dr. Georgia Purdom, PhD in molecular genetics from Ohio State University.
Dr. Leo Hebert III, Ph.D. in physics the University of Texas at Dallas.
Dr. Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D. in genetics from Clemson University.
Dr Frank Marsh, Ph.D. in plant ecology from University of Nebraska.
Dr. Danny Faulkner, Ph.D. in Astronomy from Indiana University.
Dr. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. in physics from Louisiana State University.
Dr. Don Batten, Ph.D. in plant science from the University of Sydney.
Dr. Tas Walker, Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the University of Queensland.
Dr. Pierre Jerlstrom, Ph.D. in Molecular Biology from Griffith University.
Dr. John G. Hartnett Ph.D. in Physics at the University of Western Australia.
Dr. Jim Mason, Ph.D. in experimental Nuclear Physics from McMaster University.
Dr. Jonathan Safarti, Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry from Victoria University of Wellington.
Dr. Robert Carter, Ph.D. in Marine Biology from the University of Miami.
Dr. Jay L. Wile, Ph.D. in Nuclear Chemistry from the University of Rochester.
so, it is safe to say that a large majority of scientists do believe in evolution and billions of years; there is still a large number (though small in percentage) who dont. you guys can believe whatever you want to believe. but one thing you cant believe is that every educated and intelligent person will agree with you.
No scientist's believe the earth is 5000 years old. Science says the earth is billions years old, not believing this fact is not believing in science, and therefore you are not a scientist.
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Next he will post mathematical fallacies to prove that 1+1 doesn't equal 2....
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/57131.html
LMAO
it's to funny, basic math can be fucking concretely described. That is, I have one can of pepsi, I buy another can, I have two can's of pepsi 1+1= 2. Terrence howard the actor is crazy and thinks that 1x something cannot be itself, lol. He wrote a paper on it, it's pure comedy, pretty sure he is high on drugs like TBOMBZ.
I was at dinner with a couple the other night, fine dining so a quite evening with a few drinks. She is in the field of woman's studies, a PHD, all my other conversations with her have been great, she seems bright etc. we talk about feminism, holy fuck she goes on to claim men and woman use to be equal size, strength etc that that societal pressures induced the changes we see now, saying gender is all society, there is no natural inclinations. Hilarious.
I wonder if she ever stopped to think about why men don't get osteoporosis? our bones are denser, making use heavier, stronger, more durable, less likely to injure, from testosterone.
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LMAO
it's to funny, basic math can be fucking concretely described. That is, I have one can of pepsi, I buy another can, I have two can's of pepsi 1+1= 2. Terrence howard the actor is crazy and thinks that 1x something cannot be itself, lol. He wrote a paper on it, it's pure comedy, pretty sure he is high on drugs like TBOMBZ.
I was at dinner with a couple the other night, fine dining so a quite evening with a few drinks. She is in the field of woman's studies, a PHD, all my other conversations with her have been great, she seems bright etc. we talk about feminism, holy fuck she goes on to claim men and woman use to be equal size, strength etc that that societal pressures induced the changes we see now, saying gender is all society, there is no natural inclinations. Hilarious.
I wonder if she ever stopped to think about why men don't get osteoporosis? our bones are denser, making use heavier, stronger, more durable, less likely to injure, from testosterone.
Some men are more feminine than others... They might enjoy the touch of a man for instance.
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Some men are more feminine than others... They might enjoy the touch of a man for instance.
Sounds like you are describing a homosexual.
yes but they still have testicles.
Woman given test are more aggressive, less social, smile less etc aka are more manly. Woman have smaller brains when size is controlled for, more grey matter, use estrogen as a primary hormone which has a huge role in OCD behaviour,ambition and aggression.
Woman on average have more avg iq's, men tend to be more polarized, it's why most significant advancements have been made by men, why the highest iq's are nearly all male, why there is more men in jail (more stupid men then woman on avg), more impulsivity.
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Sounds like you are describing a homosexual.
yes but they still have testicles.
Woman given test are more aggressive, less social, smile less etc aka are more manly. Woman have smaller brains when size is controlled for, more grey matter, use estrogen as a primary hormone which has a huge role in OCD behaviour,ambition and aggression.
Woman on average have more avg iq's, men tend to be more polarized, it's why most significant advancements have been made by men, why the highest iq's are nearly all male, why there is more men in jail (more stupid men then woman on avg), more impulsivity.
I was taking a jab at someone discreetly. Similar to my other post.
Not arguing
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I was taking a jab at someone discreetly. Similar to my other post.
Not arguing
I know, lol. I assumed it was Tbombz, i can only converse in argument form, i have down syndrome.
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http://bostonatheists.blogspot.com/2009/08/report-on-nathaniel-jeansons.html
1st person on Tbombz list... not very compelling
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i really dont want to get into an endless conversation about the nature of science, the principle of sufficient cause, the role that presuppositions play in our interpretation of the facts, etc. because that conversation will never end.
this is the only thing I want to get across =
despite what you may think, there are incredibly intelligent people, extremely well educated in the relevant fields of science, who do not buy into the whole "big bang+evolution over billions of years" theory of history.
Now, you all can go on believing whatever you like to believe. Your going to do that anyways. But what you cant do is claim that every intelligent and educated person will come to the same conclusions as you do. the secular scientific community is changing their theories on a daily basis and it will not be long until this current model is thrown out in favor of a new one which is thought to be more accurate.
http://bostonatheists.blogspot.com/2009/08/report-on-nathaniel-jeansons.html
1st person on Tbombz list... not very compelling
i give the boston atheists the benefit of the doubt that they are completely objective in their assessment........
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I could insert some of the proverbs quotes about stupidity. They're incredibly ironic to an anti theist. But I won't.
All of us will die soon enough. My only hope is that consciousness lasts long enough in death for believers to understand their wasted lives.
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i really dont want to get into an endless conversation about the nature of science, the principle of sufficient cause, the role that presuppositions play in our interpretation of the facts, etc. because that conversation will never end.
No lets rather have a debate without substance so you can "win".
this is the only thing I want to get across =
despite what you may think, there are incredibly intelligent people, extremely well educated in the relevant fields of science, who do not buy into the whole "big bang+evolution over billions of years" theory of history.
If you dont believe in evolution you are not a scientist. Science (imperical evidence) proves evolution. Where your beliefs are based on belief and assumptions, a theory about evolution is based on facts(imperical evidence).
Now show us some imperical evidence that supports your belief. Should be easy with SO many extemely educated minds on the case.
Now, you all can go on believing whatever you like to believe. Your going to do that anyways. But what you cant do is claim that every intelligent and educated person will come to the same conclusions as you do. the secular scientific community is changing their theories on a daily basis and it will not be long until this current model is thrown out in favor of a new one which is thought to be more accurate.
i give the boston atheists the benefit of the doubt that they are completely objective in their assessment........
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i really dont want to get into an endless conversation about the nature of science, the principle of sufficient cause, the role that presuppositions play in our interpretation of the facts, etc. because that conversation will never end.
this is the only thing I want to get across =
despite what you may think, there are incredibly intelligent people, extremely well educated in the relevant fields of science, who do not buy into the whole "big bang+evolution over billions of years" theory of history.
Right, who cares? that;s why we have testing etc. to avoid opinions, you are appealing to authority, a fallacy, you can continue it but know that your argument is completely ridiculous
Now, you all can go on believing whatever you like to believe. Your going to do that anyways. But what you cant do is claim that every intelligent and educated person will come to the same conclusions as you do. the secular scientific community is changing their theories on a daily basis and it will not be long until this current model is thrown out in favor of a new one which is thought to be more accurate.
bullshit, new theories are changing on a daily basis? lol, you don't have a clue what a theory is. The theory of gravity has not changed, evolution by natural selection, big bang, planetary orbit, general and special relativity etc. you mean they find new facts which continue to support existing theories. You have not a single clue about anything your speaking about.
i give the boston atheists the benefit of the doubt that they are completely objective in their assessment........
lol, irreducible complexity is an argument he used, this is debunked, it's nonsense, are you a liar? why are you repeating lies? why are you immune to reason?
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Thank god you never got into it for us, we could learn that new theories come up daily and that the fact science changes means it's wrong. You should really attend a proper college, you cite atheists being biased, meanwhile you cite religious people to support your beliefs? lol. who could be more biased? their very existence rests in the balance.
You think you are smart, you seem unable to apply logic to your god. Sufficient cause, lol, william lane craig much?
even if it was true, how does it prove the christian god?
this shit is for weak minded people, if you picked up the book of scientology or the bible, without knowing anything, would you think either hold the secrets to life? you are following other people, listening to what god is from other humans (hint: they have no clue, nor could), reading a book written by men.
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i really dont want to get into an endless conversation about the nature of science, the principle of sufficient cause, the role that presuppositions play in our interpretation of the facts, etc. because that conversation will never end.
this is the only thing I want to get across =
despite what you may think, there are incredibly intelligent people, extremely well educated in the relevant fields of science, who do not buy into the whole "big bang+evolution over billions of years" theory of history.
Now, you all can go on believing whatever you like to believe. Your going to do that anyways. But what you cant do is claim that every intelligent and educated person will come to the same conclusions as you do. the secular scientific community is changing their theories on a daily basis and it will not be long until this current model is thrown out in favor of a new one which is thought to be more accurate.
i give the boston atheists the benefit of the doubt that they are completely objective in their assessment........
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Your arrogance is your downfall, always has been. You now are in possession of the truth (this time for sure), no need to question, just latch onto it for dear life.
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Your arrogance is your downfall, always has been. You now are in possession of the truth (this time for sure), no need to question, just latch onto it for dear life.
Luckily. Life will be shorter for some people than others.
Give thanks to God.
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i really dont want to get into an endless conversation about the nature of science, the principle of sufficient cause, the role that presuppositions play in our interpretation of the facts, etc. because that conversation will never end.
this is the only thing I want to get across =
The only thing you are getting across is that you believe that we live in a universe that we do not and cannot understand - an irrational universe ruled by mystical whims. And if you really believe that - and I am going to take you at your word that you do - the simple fact is that we have no common basis for a discussion.
despite what you may think, there are incredibly intelligent people, extremely well educated in the relevant fields of science, who do not buy into the whole "big bang+evolution over billions of years" theory of history.
The wonderful thing about science is that it doesn't require anyone to "buy into" anything. Science is about looking at a set of facts, and examining how closely the predictions of a theory match those facts. It's about observing the world around us and knowing that it can be understood.
But whether or not these incredibly intelligent, extremely well-educated people buy into the "big bang+evolution over billions of years" isn't the question. The question is do they have a scientific theory which they propose instead? One that explains the evidence we have and makes testable predictions? If they don't have such theories to propose, then what are we talking about?
Now, you all can go on believing whatever you like to believe. Your going to do that anyways. But what you cant do is claim that every intelligent and educated person will come to the same conclusions as you do. the secular scientific community is changing their theories on a daily basis and it will not be long until this current model is thrown out in favor of a new one which is thought to be more accurate.
Theories don't change on a "daily" basis, but even if they did, so what? That's how science works. We observe something, formulate a theory, use it to make predictions. If our predictions are good, our confidence increases, but we keep an open mind for something better. If our predictions are slightly wrong or if new facts come to light then we try to understand what's happening and attempt to refine our theory. And if that fails, yes, we look for a better theory.
Look, we get it: you have a fundamental dislike for science and the scientific process and think that knowledge can only be gained in mystical, unknowable ways.
This may sound cruel, but it's a pity that people like you - who hate science - get to reap the benefits that the hard work of scientists, across the world and across the ages, has brought us.