Author Topic: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions  (Read 4799 times)

Roger Bacon

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 20957
  • Roger Bacon tries to be witty and fails
Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« on: September 03, 2012, 09:09:05 PM »
I came across this on another forum.  

Mods, please move to General Board or CT Board instead of deleting.

"God I"ll probably get flamed for this.....

Maybe I'm just a bit biased.

(for the record, I am married to a woman who carries German-Jew blood.  I have no issues with jews...except the "pork eating" type such as the Nazi collaborators)

HAD THINGS REMAINED AS THEY WERE IN THE BEGINNING...I think that Hitler could have done even greater things for Deutschland.

Let me explain.

I do think that Herr Adolph was put into place by the PTB....at some point the "Germaness" kicked in and he went off of the reservation...and was chemically brought back.....SCHNELL!

From my readings, I've been under the impression that the young Adolph had a good impression of MOST jews and fought beside them in ww1.  The issue came when the jewish socialists (ala Karl Marx style) began working propaganda against the Fatherland.

Contrary to popular belief, Germany was the recipient of assault and NOT france as history puts it.

France had it coming.  I'm not a fan for their government nor mindset.
My wifes term: Cheese eating, wine swilling, surrender monkies.

Back on topic.

Germany (as my blood is inclined) are a martial people...dont dick with us and its all good.  They had a strong industrial and economic base. The military was also quite advanced (God bless Paul Mauser and Georg Luger!) and enjoyed a larger membership....with no drain on the all German populous.

France?  Not so much.  More of a "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha" situation.  France hadnt much of anything and their population wasnt to snuff.  Had their entire nation been drafted (i dont think they had the wine to supply one) it would have been much less than their rival germany. their military prowess in the factory was also quite lacking.

The PTB in the US and England were not too happy with the competition.

On this point I offer conjecture deduced from various sources.

The PTB  made some offers to Germany and were refuted (at that time our leaders still had pride in being German!).  This bred the need to "spank" Germany into place.

WW1.

A glorified family squabble over glorified chess pieces.
Take out Ferdinand (he was convenient...poor bastard) and the tangled net of alliances would collapse to a ball up.  Enter the US (which was entirely out of line!) and push the favor to the allies who would have lost their asses otherwise.  There was another incident I learned of and CANNOT FIND IT AGAIN dealing with a disputed island with germany and france.  France either invaded or otherwise attacked germany to begin the burning fuse.

The spanking.

Germans are NOT a slave populous.
(IMHO, this is why this racially homogeneous nation has been diluted so)
The romans learned this.  The Versailles treaty is completely antithetical to a German.  It was a matter of time before this would blow up (by design).

The young corporal seeing his beloved nation beset by jackals decided to do something.   He used his powers of oration and charisma to raise the people from the morass of buying bread with wagon loads of deutschmarks not to mention being a nation dismembered.  Sacred Germany would be again!

Seeing how popular the socialist model was taking on (i'm not socialist...just a nationalist) he adopted parts of this into the mix of "i'm gonna's".  The Weimar leadership was trounced.

Corporal, meet Chancellor.

When Bavaria (where my blood is from :D ) defaulted the tribute/fine payment to the french, the french immediately rolled north to confiscate land. The Freistadt Korp there had already became strong and proceeded to drive them back.

the secret build up of arms and the liberation of Germany had began to be unleashed...and the PTB were in an "Oh crap" moment.  The cat they thought they could control might be a bit more cagey than thought!

Germany and the North Lands would be sacred again!
Commies? Exit stage left please.

Russia and Stalin were the big threat...and this is where it began to unravel.

Himmler and Goebbels.

These two around the time period of Op. Barbarossa, began to control and create "Hitler" due to his health.

The firmly loyalist SA (Sturm Abteilung) and their commander Ernst Rohm were a problem for Himmler and his SS.  This being the case, Himmler dreamed up allegations and (with Goebbels), convinced Hitler that Rohm and the SA must go.  The Night of the Long Knives ensued.  Those of the SA left were absorbed by the SS as puppets.  The SS were unobstructed now.  The Wehrmacht hatred of the SS grew.  Himmler was unleashed.

Himmler with his insane genetic stuff (chicken farmer...go figure) and Goebbels being a mouth piece.
these two (and THEIR handlers?) are the true originators of the holocaust.

And no....the common German had NO idea about what was happening at the camps.  I've read too many autobiographies and each stated that up until towards the end, did they get clues.

(I suggest reading Panzer Commander by Col. Hans Von Luck)

The two began "helping" an "ailing" hitler with the assistance of Dr. Theodore Morell.  With his various mixtures of everything from mummy dust to e. coli with legit vitamins.  Hitler (god knows how) began to respond but had extreme fatigue.

Well, the good Doktor had just the ticket.....methamphetami ne or in this case "Vitamultin". The lovely gold foil wrapped goody dropped in a glass of water.

If you will watch some of the war footage, you will see himmler walking behind Hitler...almost as if he held a leash.  Other footage will show hitler with a palsy like tremor in his hand....all part of speed (and god knows what else) destroying his brain...what a perfect tool for the PTB.  The man once animated and jovial was now withdrawn and "elderly" in appearance.  This is a period of a few years.

there is speculation that he had also been given syphilis but is not conclusive.

Enter the dark times of Mengele, Barbie, and company.  Knock Knock visits at night.  Patriotic neighbors the just "disappeared".

In ten years, an energetic and brilliant mind was turned into a puppet.  The war machine that took back what was lost was left to founder. A perverted brand of Norse philosophy was unleashed (like wahabism). Once free countries were now (given by the allies) communist.  Thousands lost their lives.  A hand full made unknown riches.  Hitler was now of no use to the PTB. I think one way or another, he was quiet dead.

Having children? I doubt it.  With the drugs and his seemingly lack of libido (and Eva's on again/off again sanity) it would be unlikely.

My apologies for being verbose and please, I"m not a Nazi."

quadzilla456

  • Time Out
  • Getbig IV
  • *
  • Posts: 3497
  • Getbig!
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions, Stark?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 09:39:36 PM »
Hidden Historical Fact:
The Allied Attempt to Starve Germany in 1919

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/starvation1919.html

quadzilla456

  • Time Out
  • Getbig IV
  • *
  • Posts: 3497
  • Getbig!
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions, Stark?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 09:41:13 PM »


“They certainly don’t have a visa...” From Simplicissmus, 1923. The Versailles Treaty was not simply a monetary prison for the Germans. The bulk of the reparations required Germany, a food-importing nation, to fork over livestock and farm goods to the Allied nations. The intent was not to repair the damage supposedly done by Germany during the war, but to destroy Germany and her people.

galain

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1576
  • Getbig!
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 11:03:52 PM »
It was an interesting read but I strongly disagree with the notion that the average German knew nothing about the camps.

I live about 6km from a former camp. It wasn't one of the bigger, well known ones, didn't have ovens or anything, but it was still used to work people to death. A lot of the older people around here will happily tell you they saw people head out to work each morning and bodies being carried back each evening.

They knew. They just feel bad that they did nothing. At the time I'm not sure how bad they felt though.

I've spent time in many places around the world - Germany amongst the longest. I've been here for 4+ years now and it's a place I still feel alien in. Moreso than anywhere else I've lived or visited.

Stark

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22988
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 11:56:30 PM »
Always great to read a none German teach me my countries history.

So nobody knew about the camps? Why was it than a very common thing to say SONST GEHST DU NACH DACHAU which
Sans if you don't behave you go to dachau look translated, I had grandparents that were open with
E because I showed a very early interest, my granny and she said everybody knew.

Roger Bacon

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 20957
  • Roger Bacon tries to be witty and fails
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2012, 01:09:18 AM »
Always great to read a none German teach me my countries history.

So nobody knew about the camps? Why was it than a very common thing to say SONST GEHST DU NACH DACHAU which
Sans if you don't behave you go to dachau look translated, I had grandparents that were open with
E because I showed a very early interest, my granny and she said everybody knew.

Thanks, he claimed in the post that he's from Bavaria?


I should have taken that part of the post out, because I know the answer and I wasn't really interested.

I'm wondering more about the other stuff he wrote, such as the part about Hitler being on a "leash" towards the end.

Roger Bacon

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 20957
  • Roger Bacon tries to be witty and fails
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2012, 01:11:15 AM »
It was an interesting read but I strongly disagree with the notion that the average German knew nothing about the camps.

I live about 6km from a former camp. It wasn't one of the bigger, well known ones, didn't have ovens or anything, but it was still used to work people to death. A lot of the older people around here will happily tell you they saw people head out to work each morning and bodies being carried back each evening.

They knew. They just feel bad that they did nothing. At the time I'm not sure how bad they felt though.

I've spent time in many places around the world - Germany amongst the longest. I've been here for 4+ years now and it's a place I still feel alien in. Moreso than anywhere else I've lived or visited.

Thanks Galain!  What do you think it is specifically that's keeping you from feeling more at home in Germany?  If you don't mind my asking.

Roger Bacon

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 20957
  • Roger Bacon tries to be witty and fails
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions, Stark?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2012, 01:12:23 AM »
Hidden Historical Fact:
The Allied Attempt to Starve Germany in 1919

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/starvation1919.html

Thank you Quad, I've read a thing or two about that!  Interesting link

phreak

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5084
  • Food is amazing
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 01:19:37 AM »
The US stopped a united Europe from forming in WW1, WW2, and will try to stop it again in future. If not by economic or political shenanigans, then by war (i.e., dragging Europe into wars that are not its own).

galain

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1576
  • Getbig!
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 01:20:53 AM »
Thanks Galain!  What do you think it is specifically that's keeping you from feeling more at home in Germany?  If you don't mind my asking.

Just that different personalities fit better in some places than they do in others. I like it here. I have met some very very nice people here and my life here, whilst being totally different to what it was in Australia, is very comfortable.

It's the orderliness and organisation that gets me. It's just a part of the psyche here and I know it's my issue, not a problem with Germany, but I find it so hard to deal with. If something doesn't fit a preconceived picture, it just cannot be possible.

Here's an example. I teach taiji and qigong at a local community education institution.  A few months ago the person responsible for my department asked me for my qualifications (because in Germany, your papers are more important than anything). I told him I'd learnt in a park in Singapore with my teacher, who was an illiterate old Chinese man. He had many students but when you can't read or write, you don't really appreciate written pieces of paper (well - he didn't).

This guys looks at me and says "That's not possible".

Flat out - had never heard of it before, therefore it couldn't possibly be.

The ensuing drama that resulted is something I'm still in the middle of - simply because now, even though they acknowledge I have 24 years experience (more than anyone else in their department by a country mile), they are now saying I'm not able to teach properly, because I don't have a paper qualification that says I have done a course.

It's like that here.

Roger Bacon

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 20957
  • Roger Bacon tries to be witty and fails
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 01:32:35 AM »
Just that different personalities fit better in some places than they do in others. I like it here. I have met some very very nice people here and my life here, whilst being totally different to what it was in Australia, is very comfortable.

It's the orderliness and organisation that gets me. It's just a part of the psyche here and I know it's my issue, not a problem with Germany, but I find it so hard to deal with. If something doesn't fit a preconceived picture, it just cannot be possible.

Here's an example. I teach taiji and qigong at a local community education institution.  A few months ago the person responsible for my department asked me for my qualifications (because in Germany, your papers are more important than anything). I told him I'd learnt in a park in Singapore with my teacher, who was an illiterate old Chinese man. He had many students but when you can't read or write, you don't really appreciate written pieces of paper (well - he didn't).

This guys looks at me and says "That's not possible".

Flat out - had never heard of it before, therefore it couldn't possibly be.

The ensuing drama that resulted is something I'm still in the middle of - simply because now, even though they acknowledge I have 24 years experience (more than anyone else in their department by a country mile), they are now saying I'm not able to teach properly, because I don't have a paper qualification that says I have done a course.

It's like that here.

I absolutely hate bullshit like that.  I had to listen to some German idiot at work go on and on about how he could never buy a traditional (american?) Coffee maker with the pot because it's inefficient and wastes electricity compared to his sealed thermos style coffee maker with an internal electric element.

Dumb fucking bullshit like talking about "side air bags".  This other German talks about Tokyo Hotel or whatever they're called.

Stark

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22988
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 02:06:17 AM »
Thanks, he claimed in the post that he's from Bavaria?


I should have taken that part of the post out, because I know the answer and I wasn't really interested.

I'm wondering more about the other stuff he wrote, such as the part about Hitler being on a "leash" towards the end.

Before I go into the whole Hitler thing let me make one thing for sure.

EVERYBODY knew about the Camps, what people didn't know or heard only rumors were the actual mass slaughter and that is a fact, I mean before the Warsaw uprising the trapped Jews in the Warsaw ghetto got reliable intelligence by actual Jews that escaped the transports that they were supposed to be gassed and EVEN THESE JEWS didn't believe the horror stories.
The reason is of course that something like that never happened before so people though of it as fairy tales, horror stories.
Later of course when you had more and more info trickle through they were under no illusion anymore, I have a good book which is interviews with the actual few jews who worked at the gas chambers and survived, these were Greek jews mostly the last Sondercommando who wasn't liquidated and they were able to mix into the general population just before they were supposed to be shot, that was at the very end of the war and the SS didn't have the same stranglehold on the camps as they had before, these Sonderkommandos were "rotated" each 3 to 6 month as in all shot and burned and new once were taken, in the book many tell about situations were mothers knew exactly what was going on and many of them proudly walked into the gas trying to cheer their children up - that always gets me the most, what horrific scene.

But yes they all knew that these camps exist, but none knew about the magnitude of the genocide apart from the few who participated in the Wannsee Conference of course.

_bruce_

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 23503
  • Sam Sesambröt Sulek
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 02:35:04 AM »
Some good thoughts and information.
Much of the facts about this era have been distorted beyond recognition...

...of course the same thing applies to all eras which of course includes the current one  :)
.

Stark

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22988
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2012, 02:48:22 AM »
I came across this on another forum.  

Mods, please move to General Board or CT Board instead of deleting.

"God I"ll probably get flamed for this.....

Maybe I'm just a bit biased.

....

My apologies for being verbose and please, I"m not a Nazi."

Let me sum it up for you fellas.

1) The Guy wrote this is a dick
2) The Guy who wrote this has no real clue about German history, I bet you he's not even married to a German, the whole - my wife thinks of French as, cheese eating surrender monkeys is totally stupid, nobody in Germany apart from the far right thinks like that, but the term surrender monkey is very english/american not very common in Germany at all.

I think this guy has some romantic feelings for the German war history and now fabricates stuff to make it sound good, all his "lecture history" is just stuff that you hear in beer halls not at all intellectual or in any way or form true.

The whole, I am from German blood or my wife is from Jewish German blood is just another indication that he's some 16 years old with a romantic feeling for war time Germany for what ever fantasy he has, and the last line... I'm not a Nazi ::) just meeh.

God i had to force myself to read his dribble.

galain

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1576
  • Getbig!
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2012, 02:49:07 AM »
@Stark

What gets me is that people 'knew' and yet still didn't seem to really understand. My wife's grandfather hid the local (jewish) doctor in his restaurant cellar for 2 months. Other locals found out and informed on him. He was summarily taken away, never to be seen again. When I asked my father in law why - he said - "they thought because he was the doctor he'd be ok".

I find that pretty hard to understand. They'd known that people were being taken away, and yet volunteered this poor bastard - thinking...what? Something different would happen to him?

@P.I.P.

Mate - they're not all like that, but it's a predominant attitude. I just got back from a 3 week trip through the US with my extended family (great country BTW - beautiful scenery, very cool people - except the drivers in Boston. I hope you all get dick cancer!)

Anyway - here are some conversation snippets I had over the three weeks.

"Why are people so friendly here?"
(me) "I think they're just nice people. It's nice to be friendly."
"I don't trust them. They're superficial!"

(me) "Where are you going with all those bottles?"
"I have to get my 'Pfandgeld back" (Stark will understand - in Germany you pay a surcharge for plastic and glass bottles which you get back on returning the bottles)
(me) "We're in the middle of nowhere, and anyway, I don't think the US has the same recycling system as in Germany"
"Of course they would - don't be so stupid"
(no money for bottles)
"What kind of place is this???"

"It's 12pm - we have to stop and eat" (from damn near everyone in the family)
(me)"We can't stop here - this is the middle of Death Valley!"
"But it's 12pm!"
(me) "So what?"
(the rest - panicky now) "We eat at 12pm!!!!"

"Why don't they have french toast here? I've had french toast for breakfast every morning we've been here but it's not on this menu!"
(me)"Hmm - maybe it'd be fun to try something different?"
"NO! We have to find another place to eat that has french toast!"
(me)"You're not serious are you? Hey - wait - where are you going? Seriously? I mean - seriously?"


You get the picture.

For people who like to know what's coming and like order, it's a pretty good country to live in.
I don't own a watch and I hate diaries and calendars. If I can leave the house wearing matching socks I'm having a pretty good day.
You can imagine what my life here feels like sometimes.

Stark

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22988
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2012, 02:56:01 AM »
@Stark

What gets me is that people 'knew' and yet still didn't seem to really understand. My wife's grandfather hid the local (jewish) doctor in his restaurant cellar for 2 months. Other locals found out and informed on him. He was summarily taken away, never to be seen again. When I asked my father in law why - he said - "they thought because he was the doctor he'd be ok".

I find that pretty hard to understand. They'd known that people were being taken away, and yet volunteered this poor bastard - thinking...what? Something different would happen to him?

Of course people knew they were taken away but they didn't knew or didn't care what happened to them, Its really rather complex all this, all thsi didn't happen at once, but in stages and there was a very sophisticated and planed efforts to divert the attention of the common people, I mean don't forget Germany went through hardship after WW1 was over - their whole identity and honor was gone, reduced to nothing - shamed by the rest of the world, all of a sudden there were national pride everywhere it was okay to walk in uniforms again, flags and marches everywhere everybody was busy with bringing Germany back to its former glory - you were just too busy to notice that people disapeard and if you did notice than you could just convince yourself that there must have been something wrong and that he was always a bit weird - It was like everybody apart from a small minority was under a spell and couldn't see straight anymore.

And it didn't happen all the time not everywhere - if it would have people wouldn't have put up with it - I have very good book about the SD the Sicherheitsdienst, written by a German author, and a very large capital goes into the whole SD trying to find out what the "mood" of the people is, each SD office had to write weekly reports, and most of them are still available to this day, the mood wasn't good at all, especially against the SS,  the whole book rather plaints a very different picture about the common people that didn't agree to EVERYTHING that was dictated by the government and Hitler, and the Nazis were extremly sensitive to these reports, they took great care to change the situation - obviously as time dragged on these reports became every more urgent.
Especially the SS didn't really enjoy a very positive image by the general population - and Himmler himself wasn't very liked by many people either, they had to fight real hard to change that image until the war broke out and they were celebrated as the crack troops and home land savers.

phreak

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5084
  • Food is amazing
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2012, 03:06:46 AM »

For people who like to know what's coming and like order, it's a pretty good country to live in.
I don't own a watch and I hate diaries and calendars. If I can leave the house wearing matching socks I'm having a pretty good day.
You can imagine what my life here feels like sometimes.
Ordnung muss sein!

I'm moving onto a new job where 80% of my team is in Germany. Fun for all, as I'm considered a liberal, disorganized nutcase even here in Holland.  ;D

sync pulse

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5604
  • Only be sure always to call it please, 'research'
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2012, 03:45:19 AM »

My mother was born in the USA, however her parents were born in Austria.  My mother was extraordinarily anti-Semitic.  While driving around Houston we would pass various institutions and she would sound off, “That place is filled with Jews…” One of these institutions was the Shriner’s Children’s Hospital…

Whenever she would see an infant child of an ethnic group she disapproved of she would comment, “It looks like an ole’ rat.” 

If someone born on the other side of the planet but of the cultural heritage from which the Nazis rose, and still have many of the twisted concepts…can you imagine what she would have been like if she was brought up in Germany during this time?

sync pulse

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5604
  • Only be sure always to call it please, 'research'
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2012, 03:46:59 AM »
The Nazis never "carried" Berlin in elections.

dj181

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 26482
  • Dog sees 🐿️
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2012, 04:14:47 AM »
2 things here

1. Great Britain is the mama and papa of USA ie. the WASP's pretty much created "america", so there is no way in hell that the USA would have allowed Britain to be taken over

2. the French were super badasses back in the middle ages ie. The Knights Templer :o :o :o were a very fierce and conquering bunch 8) 8) 8) and the were also badasses during Napoleans reign

the funny thing about ww2 is that it was basically Germans vs. Germans, as on the American side the vast majority of our leaders were of Germanic origin ie. Patton, Eisenhower, Rooosevelt, not to mention the fact that anglo-saxons are indeed Germans ;D

Stark

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22988
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2012, 05:05:33 AM »
2 things here

1. Great Britain is the mama and papa of USA ie. the WASP's pretty much created "america", so there is no way in hell that the USA would have allowed Britain to be taken over

2. the French were super badasses back in the middle ages ie. The Knights Templer :o :o :o were a very fierce and conquering bunch 8) 8) 8) and the were also badasses during Napoleans reign

the funny thing about ww2 is that it was basically Germans vs. Germans, as on the American side the vast majority of our leaders were of Germanic origin ie. Patton, Eisenhower, Rooosevelt, not to mention the fact that anglo-saxons are indeed Germans ;D

So here we go again...

The Templar's were not specifically french, they were originally created by a french man but later had soldiers from all parts of Europe so I am not sure what the point of your argument was.
I also fail to see the value of the point you make that WW2 was a war Germans against Germans - if you study the war a little bit you will soon find out that it was a global war - it wasn't America vs. Germany, and the anlo saxons who were GERMANIC tribes inhabited and conquered part of europe back in the 5th Century - thats a long as time to make any reference to WW2 don't you think? There's an argument to be made that the loose tribes called Anglo Saxons were actually Germans.





dj181

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 26482
  • Dog sees 🐿️
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2012, 05:22:51 AM »
So here we go again...

The Templar's were not specifically french, they were originally created by a french man but later had soldiers from all parts of Europe so I am not sure what the point of your argument was.
I also fail to see the value of the point you make that WW2 was a war Germans against Germans - if you study the war a little bit you will soon find out that it was a global war - it wasn't America vs. Germany, and the anlo saxons who were GERMANIC tribes inhabited and conquered part of europe back in the 5th Century - thats a long as time to make any reference to WW2 don't you think? There's an argument to be made that the loose tribes called Anglo Saxons were actually Germans.






didn't know that the Templers were made up of knights all over europe, so if that's true then the vast majority of them were probably Germans ;D

andreisdaman

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16720
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2012, 05:38:36 AM »
I came across this on another forum.  

Mods, please move to General Board or CT Board instead of deleting.

"God I"ll probably get flamed for this.....

Maybe I'm just a bit biased.

(for the record, I am married to a woman who carries German-Jew blood.  I have no issues with jews...except the "pork eating" type such as the Nazi collaborators)

HAD THINGS REMAINED AS THEY WERE IN THE BEGINNING...I think that Hitler could have done even greater things for Deutschland.

Let me explain.

I do think that Herr Adolph was put into place by the PTB....at some point the "Germaness" kicked in and he went off of the reservation...and was chemically brought back.....SCHNELL!

From my readings, I've been under the impression that the young Adolph had a good impression of MOST jews and fought beside them in ww1.  The issue came when the jewish socialists (ala Karl Marx style) began working propaganda against the Fatherland.

Contrary to popular belief, Germany was the recipient of assault and NOT france as history puts it.

France had it coming.  I'm not a fan for their government nor mindset.
My wifes term: Cheese eating, wine swilling, surrender monkies.

Back on topic.

Germany (as my blood is inclined) are a martial people...dont dick with us and its all good.  They had a strong industrial and economic base. The military was also quite advanced (God bless Paul Mauser and Georg Luger!) and enjoyed a larger membership....with no drain on the all German populous.

France?  Not so much.  More of a "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha" situation.  France hadnt much of anything and their population wasnt to snuff.  Had their entire nation been drafted (i dont think they had the wine to supply one) it would have been much less than their rival germany. their military prowess in the factory was also quite lacking.

The PTB in the US and England were not too happy with the competition.

On this point I offer conjecture deduced from various sources.

The PTB  made some offers to Germany and were refuted (at that time our leaders still had pride in being German!).  This bred the need to "spank" Germany into place.

WW1.

A glorified family squabble over glorified chess pieces.
Take out Ferdinand (he was convenient...poor bastard) and the tangled net of alliances would collapse to a ball up.  Enter the US (which was entirely out of line!) and push the favor to the allies who would have lost their asses otherwise.  There was another incident I learned of and CANNOT FIND IT AGAIN dealing with a disputed island with germany and france.  France either invaded or otherwise attacked germany to begin the burning fuse.

The spanking.

Germans are NOT a slave populous.
(IMHO, this is why this racially homogeneous nation has been diluted so)
The romans learned this.  The Versailles treaty is completely antithetical to a German.  It was a matter of time before this would blow up (by design).

The young corporal seeing his beloved nation beset by jackals decided to do something.   He used his powers of oration and charisma to raise the people from the morass of buying bread with wagon loads of deutschmarks not to mention being a nation dismembered.  Sacred Germany would be again!

Seeing how popular the socialist model was taking on (i'm not socialist...just a nationalist) he adopted parts of this into the mix of "i'm gonna's".  The Weimar leadership was trounced.

Corporal, meet Chancellor.

When Bavaria (where my blood is from :D ) defaulted the tribute/fine payment to the french, the french immediately rolled north to confiscate land. The Freistadt Korp there had already became strong and proceeded to drive them back.

the secret build up of arms and the liberation of Germany had began to be unleashed...and the PTB were in an "Oh crap" moment.  The cat they thought they could control might be a bit more cagey than thought!

Germany and the North Lands would be sacred again!
Commies? Exit stage left please.

Russia and Stalin were the big threat...and this is where it began to unravel.

Himmler and Goebbels.

These two around the time period of Op. Barbarossa, began to control and create "Hitler" due to his health.

The firmly loyalist SA (Sturm Abteilung) and their commander Ernst Rohm were a problem for Himmler and his SS.  This being the case, Himmler dreamed up allegations and (with Goebbels), convinced Hitler that Rohm and the SA must go.  The Night of the Long Knives ensued.  Those of the SA left were absorbed by the SS as puppets.  The SS were unobstructed now.  The Wehrmacht hatred of the SS grew.  Himmler was unleashed.

Himmler with his insane genetic stuff (chicken farmer...go figure) and Goebbels being a mouth piece.
these two (and THEIR handlers?) are the true originators of the holocaust.

And no....the common German had NO idea about what was happening at the camps.  I've read too many autobiographies and each stated that up until towards the end, did they get clues.

(I suggest reading Panzer Commander by Col. Hans Von Luck)

The two began "helping" an "ailing" hitler with the assistance of Dr. Theodore Morell.  With his various mixtures of everything from mummy dust to e. coli with legit vitamins.  Hitler (god knows how) began to respond but had extreme fatigue.

Well, the good Doktor had just the ticket.....methamphetami ne or in this case "Vitamultin". The lovely gold foil wrapped goody dropped in a glass of water.

If you will watch some of the war footage, you will see himmler walking behind Hitler...almost as if he held a leash.  Other footage will show hitler with a palsy like tremor in his hand....all part of speed (and god knows what else) destroying his brain...what a perfect tool for the PTB.  The man once animated and jovial was now withdrawn and "elderly" in appearance.  This is a period of a few years.

there is speculation that he had also been given syphilis but is not conclusive.

Enter the dark times of Mengele, Barbie, and company.  Knock Knock visits at night.  Patriotic neighbors the just "disappeared".

In ten years, an energetic and brilliant mind was turned into a puppet.  The war machine that took back what was lost was left to founder. A perverted brand of Norse philosophy was unleashed (like wahabism). Once free countries were now (given by the allies) communist.  Thousands lost their lives.  A hand full made unknown riches.  Hitler was now of no use to the PTB. I think one way or another, he was quiet dead.

Having children? I doubt it.  With the drugs and his seemingly lack of libido (and Eva's on again/off again sanity) it would be unlikely.

My apologies for being verbose and please, I"m not a Nazi."

you and I have been bashing each other in another thread...but I gotta admit this is a nice read..I don't agree with it..but makes you think..good post

Irongrip400

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 21219
  • Pan Germanism, Pax Britannica
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2012, 06:01:52 AM »
you and I have been bashing each other in another thread...but I gotta admit this is a nice read..I don't agree with it..but makes you think..good post

It's not very well put together though, it jumps around a bit. It talks of operation Barbarossa and then goes back to night of the long knives. Not sure if that's just flightyness on the side of the author jumping back and forth, or that he didn't know those were several years apart. Nothing I haven't read before on this board. Lot of Nazi sympathizers. I posted about this very phenomenon on a WWII board, asking how Hitler will be remembered after the survivors all die. That, will he be remembered as a conqueror or an evil man later down the road. Some of the people on the board were saying how they've seen a shift in some sort of sympathy, or looking up to the man. Reading this board sometimes you'd think it the latter.

Stark

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22988
Re: Summing up Germany, WWI and II - Opinions
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2012, 06:09:26 AM »
It's not very well put together though, it jumps around a bit. It talks of operation Barbarossa and then goes back to night of the long knives. Not sure if that's just flightyness on the side of the author jumping back and forth, or that he didn't know those were several years apart. Nothing I haven't read before on this board. Lot of Nazi sympathizers. I posted about this very phenomenon on a WWII board, asking how Hitler will be remembered after the survivors all die. That, will he be remembered as a conqueror or an evil man later down the road. Some of the people on the board were saying how they've seen a shift in some sort of sympathy, or looking up to the man. Reading this board sometimes you'd think it the latter.

Thats somebody with mediocre knowledge of the subject.