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I just read a great post made by Vince Basile ( I know, that's an oxymoron ;D ) concerning soreness after training a bodypart.
what do you guys think about it ? Personally if I am not sore the next day I trained a certain bodypart, I am pissed off and it make me think I trained like a pussy
but a lot of people say it should not matters and if you are not sore it doesn't mean you had a bad workout
Discuss!
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what do you guys think about it ? Personally if I am not sore the next day I trained a certain bodypart, I am pissed off and it make me think I trained like a pussy
i feel the same way. no soreness = no growth
rarely that im not sore after a workout though.
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Yeah i fucking hate it when i don't have the soreness the next day. legg soreness can become irritating after a few days though, the day after when you step out of bed the incredible soreness makes you feel great about your training.
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I just read a great post made by Vince Basile ( I know, that's an oxymoron ;D ) concerning soreness after training a bodypart.
what do you guys think about it ? Personally if I am not sore the next day I trained a certain bodypart, I am pissed off and it make me think I trained like a pussy
but a lot of people say it should not matters and if you are not sore it doesn't mean you had a bad workout
Discuss!
Change your routein around once in a while!!
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Yeah i fucking hate it when i don't have the soreness the next day. legg soreness can become irritating after a few days though, the day after when you step out of bed the incredible soreness makes you feel great about your training.
Yep, agree 100%!!
soreness is great.
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Change your routein around once in a while!!
Oh that's not why I asked
I am always sore ( or almost always)
I never do the same training twice
the only muscle that I don't ever remember being sore is the delts. I can blast the shit out of my delts they never get sore
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I agree. If im not sore for at least 2 days on a bodypart after working out then i feel like i didn't do enough.
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the only muscle that I don't ever remember being sore is the delts. I can blast the shit out of my delts they never get sore
haha
guess im not alone then. same here :o
feel the soreness more in the traps even if i havn't done shruggs. wierd
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delts is pretty much the same for me too.
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shit, same here too! delts are impossible. haven't been sor eeven once. :'( :'( :'(
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Oh that's not why I asked
I am always sore ( or almost always)
I never do the same training twice
the only muscle that I don't ever remember being sore is the delts. I can blast the shit out of my delts they never get sore
I'm the same.. delts are never sore and to a lesser extent arms rarely get sore.
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if youre sore youre doing something wrong.
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if youre sore youre doing something wrong.
& you'd know ::)
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I'm the same.. delts are never sore and to a lesser extent arms rarely get sore.
yeah arms are a bitch, I have to go very heavy and hold the exentric part a lot to get them sore
since I included biceps curls on an incline bench, they are sore everytime
to beat the shit out of the triceps I like weighted dips with as much weight as I can put on and really slow lying dumbell extentions where I really strech them at the end of the movement
now they are sore almost every workout
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shit, same here too! delts are impossible. haven't been sor eeven once. :'( :'( :'(
My rotator cuffs get pretty sore..
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My rotator cuffs get pretty sore..
You wank too much... ;D ;D ;D
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My rotator cuffs get pretty sore..
Maybe you should rotate them?
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yeah arms are a bitch, I have to go very heavy and hold the exentric part a lot to get them sore
since I included biceps curls on an incline bench, they are sore everytime
to beat the shit out of the triceps I like weighted dips with as much weight as I can put on and really slow lying dumbell extentions where I really strech them at the end of the movement
now they are sore almost every workout
good advice 8)
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You wank too much... ;D ;D ;D
I advocate alternate jerking for building nice forearms!
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Change your routein around once in a while!!
I don't think you read his post properly, it seemed to indicate he is usually sore, i.e. his training is working at present. Unless you believe Vince Vasile... which was the man's point.
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my soreness generally hits the second day after my workout....biceps and back are almost impossible
to get sore for me
legs get ridiculous sore and stay that way for several days making me walk like a bullrider
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my soreness generally hits the second day after my workout....biceps and back are almost impossible
to get sore for me
legs get ridiculous sore and stay that way for several days making me walk like a bullrider
back allmost gets the most sore for me. especially lats. even hurts when i run and walk down stairs cause they jump :P
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Damn how can you be not sore from a brutal back workout.
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Deadlifts make me sore.. But the soreness feels good sometime. Like when I drink and blaze a few joints, my sore lower back feels awesome. ;D
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Damn how can you be not sore from a brutal back workout.
maybe they don't like to train back hard enough
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yeah arms are a bitch, I have to go very heavy and hold the exentric part a lot to get them sore
since I included biceps curls on an incline bench, they are sore everytime
to beat the shit out of the triceps I like weighted dips with as much weight as I can put on and really slow lying dumbell extentions where I really strech them at the end of the movement
now they are sore almost every workout
I have forearm splints... wish i could go heavy but i can't even grip anything from the pain.
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best soreness is lower back, abs and lats. Fun with every movement. ;D ;D
legs are funny too, traps and triceps get sore pretty fast on me too.
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Taking it up the sh*tter makes me sore.. But the soreness feels good sometimes. Like when I drink and blaze a few joints, my sore ringpiece feels awesome. ;D
Fixed.
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maybe they don't like to train back hard enough
i have trained my back for lots of volume, heavy, and pyramids but i still have a hard time getting it sore
deadlifts do get it sore though but i do them every other back workout
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IMO as amatuer bodybuilders we have no shortcuts. We gotta do chins, benches, squats, deads and all the other gut wrenching exercises that are out there. There is no easy way out. If you push yourself to maximum intensity, giving it all you have then its a job well done. Dont leave anything else to give. Think of dorian, cutler, big ron or the look you are trying to achieve and push yourself. If soreness comes, great, if not, quit talking on that cell phone and lookin around, time to push faster and harder.
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the best thing I have done since a couple of week is I stopped doing those shitty lat pulldown thing and I only do pull ups or chin ups
you can do less reps but it is more effective
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Fixed.
Sorry, but I don't go in that direction.
Maybe you should phone Derek Anthony?
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Oh that's not why I asked
I am always sore ( or almost always)
I never do the same training twice
the only muscle that I don't ever remember being sore is the delts. I can blast the shit out of my delts they never get sore
No your not I am... ;D
I have recently started taking 1000mg of vitamin C after working out after I read something about how it helps and i am not sure if it's mental or what but It has been a fantastic help.
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the best thing I have done since a couple of week is I stopped doing those shitty lat pulldown thing and I only do pull ups or chin ups
you can do less reps but it is more effective
try dante's rack chins, they rock!
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Sorry, but I don't go in that direction.
Maybe you should phone Derek Anthony?
I did.
HE recomended you.
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i have trained my back for lots of volume, heavy, and pyramids but i still have a hard time getting it sore
deadlifts do get it sore though but i do them every other back workout
are you doing alot of barbell rows and dumbell rows? those are my favourites. also i think variety is important. but there are some exercises you should allways do. like barbell rows and dumbell rows. ofc some sort of pull ups should be in there to. do alot of different ones.
also a great tip i read once on here even i think; "imagine your arms are like lifeless hooks" or something like that. anyway if you keep that in mind all the time your lats will do more of that work than your arms.
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try dante's rack chins, they rock!
what are those ?
do you have a link were the exercise is pictured ?
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I did.
HE recomended you.
I'm a client of your mom's, fag.
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I'm a client of your mom's, fag.
She`s dead.
Hope this helps.
Fag.
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what are those ?
do you have a link were the exercise is pictured ?
great exercise, one of my favorites. with additional weights.
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She`s dead.
Hope this helps.
Fag.
Dead after the fucking I gave her last night.
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Dead after the fucking I gave her last night.
>:(
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>:(
haha. owned.
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haha. owned.
:'(
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Sometimes I just don't get sore even if my intensity was at maximum. I did a 20 rep squat a few weeks ago along with 6 other sets for quads and wasn't sore the next day! I don't get it but whatever I still get results.
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are you doing alot of barbell rows and dumbell rows? those are my favourites. also i think variety is important. but there are some exercises you should allways do. like barbell rows and dumbell rows. ofc some sort of pull ups should be in there to. do alot of different ones.
also a great tip i read once on here even i think; "imagine your arms are like lifeless hooks" or something like that. anyway if you keep that in mind all the time your lats will do more of that work than your arms.
a couple sample workouts are:
BB rows(overhand)
Lat pulldowns(wide grip)
Low cable rows(underhand)
Hyperextensions
or
Rev Incline DB Rows
Pullups(close grip)
T-bar rows
Deads(off floor)
i always pull from the elbows and focus on form and squeeze....it is just one of my areas that rarely
gets sore
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My legs always get the sorest. And if you have trouble making your arms sore try preacher curls if you don't already.
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Oh that's not why I asked
I am always sore ( or almost always)
I never do the same training twice
the only muscle that I don't ever remember being sore is the delts. I can blast the shit out of my delts they never get sore
I'm completly the opposite. I feel my delts hurting the moment I finish a set. Thats the only bodypart I have to purposely stretch between each set to calm the lactic acid buildup. I suggest doing Lateral raises between sets of seated db shoulder presses. It works well for me
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I'm completly the opposite. I feel my delts hurting the moment I finish a set. Thats the only bodypart I have to purposely stretch between each set to calm the lactic acid buildup. I suggest doing Lateral raises between sets of seated db shoulder presses. It works well for me
I did chest and delts tonight and it was awesome !
Chest is really easy to train for me, I always had a good mind-muscle connection for the chest and it grows pretty easily
I did delts after chest and I only did 2 sets of machine laterals in beyonf faillure style
it was something like this:
-the whole stack for 10 reps, than my partner spot me for 8 additional reps
-150 lbs for 10 reps, partner spot for 8 again
-105lbs for 10 reps, partner spot for 8
-60 for 10 reps, partner spot for 10
I did those drop sets 2 times
it hurts like fuck I have been out of the gym for 45 minutes and it is still pumped
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Oh that's not why I asked
I am always sore ( or almost always)
I never do the same training twice
the only muscle that I don't ever remember being sore is the delts. I can blast the shit out of my delts they never get sore
Take 2, 10 lb plates and lie face down on a incline bench with a fairly high incline and do a set of laterals for 100 reps before you begin your next shoulder workout and let me know if you're not sore.
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DOMS=Delayed Onset of Muscle Soreness
I do the workout of Arnolds encyclopediia each muscle group 3 times a week with sunday off, i used to feel sorness but due to the enormous amount of sets and reps i go medium in weight to failure with no DOMS.
But if i only train 2 or 3 days a week and take a rest fom my routine and concentrate on going Heavy with minium sets i feel the Doms immediatly after the workout though doing this has not added any muscle i enjoy serving my Ego.
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If you can get your biceps sore you will make them grow. Triceps need special isolation exercises to grow past a certain level. I came to the conclusion that doing many, many sets with the max weight for 15 reps is ideal for hypertrophy. Doing less reps works but you end up cheating and the rep number diminishes with the sets. When you start with 15 reps you get a pump. Then after about 3 max sets you do about 10 to 12 reps. You can keep doing 15 reps but need more rest between sets. I superset biceps and triceps. Triceps get sore every time but not biceps. It is possible to grow at any age. I usually do between 5 and 10 max weight sets.
What I advocate is quite different from Milos.
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Don't worry about soreness, focus on getting stronger every workout and you should get a some degree of soreness. However if you don't, don't worry about it.
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If you can get your biceps sore you will make them grow. Triceps need special isolation exercises to grow past a certain level. I came to the conclusion that doing many, many sets with the max weight for 15 reps is ideal for hypertrophy. Doing less reps works but you end up cheating and the rep number diminishes with the sets. When you start with 15 reps you get a pump. Then after about 3 max sets you do about 10 to 12 reps. You can keep doing 15 reps but need more rest between sets. I superset biceps and triceps. Triceps get sore every time but not biceps. It is possible to grow at any age. I usually do between 5 and 10 max weight sets.
What I advocate is quite different from Milos.
I tried supersetting bicep and tricep but I hated it
I get a massive bump doing biceps by themself, then triceps by themself
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Don't worry about soreness, focus on getting stronger every workout and you should get a some degree of soreness. However if you don't, don't worry about it.
Amen.
There seems to be no direct correlation between soreness and growth. Many big bodybuilders never get sore. Some always get sore. If you are the type that gets sore easily, like me, you can probably make yourself sore with bodyweight exercises quite easily doing high reps. Despite the soreness it does jack-shit for growth.
Progressive overload, some metabolic fatigue, good nutrition = growth. Forget about inducing soreness, and forget about the lack of soreness.
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Amen.
There seems to be no direct correlation between soreness and growth. Many big bodybuilders never get sore. Some always get sore. If you are the type that gets sore easily, like me, you can probably make yourself sore with bodyweight exercises quite easily doing high reps. Despite the soreness it does jack-shit for growth.
Progressive overload, some metabolic fatigue, good nutrition = growth. Forget about inducing soreness, and forget about the lack of soreness.
my best friend is very very thick and he never gets sore
but he trains more like a powerlifter, he is just lucky to have good genetics
everyday he goes to the gym, do 4 or 5 sets of heavy bench press, do a couple of sets of curls, talk 30 minutes to everyone, do another sets of curl and go home
the fucker has a very complete physiques and have bigger legs than me and he doesn't train them >:(
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If you can get your biceps sore you will make them grow. Triceps need special isolation exercises to grow past a certain level. I came to the conclusion that doing many, many sets with the max weight for 15 reps is ideal for hypertrophy. Doing less reps works but you end up cheating and the rep number diminishes with the sets. When you start with 15 reps you get a pump. Then after about 3 max sets you do about 10 to 12 reps. You can keep doing 15 reps but need more rest between sets. I superset biceps and triceps. Triceps get sore every time but not biceps. It is possible to grow at any age. I usually do between 5 and 10 max weight sets.
What I advocate is quite different from Milos.
Yep it takes a heap of sets to get my biceps sore, and sometimes really slow negatives at the end of the set. I sometimes superset biceps and triceps but only with exercises like overhead dumbbell extensions and concentration curls.
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a couple sample workouts are:
BB rows(overhand)
Lat pulldowns(wide grip)
Low cable rows(underhand)
Hyperextensions
or
Rev Incline DB Rows
Pullups(close grip)
T-bar rows
Deads(off floor)
i always pull from the elbows and focus on form and squeeze....it is just one of my areas that rarely
gets sore
you should do more exercises. four is not enough. aim for 20-25 sets of about 7-8 different exercises.
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Don't worry about soreness, focus on getting stronger every workout and you should get a some degree of soreness. However if you don't, don't worry about it.
You don't grasp what I am saying. If you don't get sore it is unlikely that you are growing rapidly. Therefore you use the degree of soreness as feedback about the effectiveness of the workout. Those who seldom get sore will grow even faster if they always do. This is not just a tip but a physiological phenomenon. You are not training for the DOMS itself but use the soreness as feedback to see if you are growing. You are focussing on targetting muscles, exhausting them, etc. You don't do just anything to make muscles sore but use your experience to train them. Always strive for progression.
You can combine triceps with lat work. If you select an effective exercise you don't need more than one. On the next day you can combine biceps with chest. It is unlikely you can make all bodyparts grow at the same time. Target a few and forget about the others. They will get some benefit just being attached to sites that the working muscles are attached to. You really have to discard the notion that you need to train all bodyparts every week to keep them big.
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You don't grasp what I am saying. If you don't get sore it is unlikely that you are growing rapidly. Therefore you use the degree of soreness as feedback about the effectiveness of the workout. Those who seldom get sore will grow even faster if they always do. This is not just a tip but a physiological phenomenon. You are not training for the DOMS itself but use the soreness as feedback to see if you are growing. You are focussing on targetting muscles, exhausting them, etc. You don't do just anything to make muscles sore but use your experience to train them. Always strive for progression.
You can combine triceps with lat work. If you select an effective exercise you don't need more than one. On the next day you can combine biceps with chest. It is unlikely you can make all bodyparts grow at the same time. Target a few and forget about the others. They will get some benefit just being attached to sites that the working muscles are attached to. You really have to discard the notion that you need to train all bodyparts every week to keep them big.
Just to see if I understand correctly. You should strive to make the muscle as sore as possible, and not focus on all muscle group. From what I gather then, it would be a good strategy to focus on triceps and lats for a few weeks and really make them sore. For the other muscle groups you would do maintenance work then. Or am I missing something?
Also, I personally always get way more sore after performing isolation exercises, like leg extensions en flyes. Compounds don't make me that sore at all. Does that mean that someone like me should focus more on isolation exercises?
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Soreness has nothing to do with hypertrophy whatsoever. You get sore from doing things you aren't used to. For muscles to grow they need to be stressed by a load that's high enough.
Run a quarter marathon when you're not used to it and I'll guarantee you, you'll be sore as hell but will it make your legs grow? Hell no.
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The goal of DOMS training is to make the muscles grow. We all have so many beliefs about training that we cannot discard any of them for fear we will be missing out on something. If you target arms for a month you don't have to train any other muscles in the upper body. You don't waste your time doing maintenance training because the other muscles in the upper body will be stimulated enough when you train arms. You have to give this a go and see for yourself. Bodybuilders do way too many exercises and do too many bodyparts each week. That is the main reason most stop growing.
Doing some exercises will not generate growth. That is disappointing. So you can use the DOMS effect to get feedback about which exercises are effective and which are not. Make sure you actually contract the target muscle and not cheat by recruiting other muscles to do the exercise. Again, if the target muscle isn't sore you didn't train it properly. In a very short time you will learn what to do. The main thing is you will discard what NOT to do. That is a big thing to learn re bodybuilding. It probably helps to have the muscle in a stretch position when you train it. Triceps and calves, especially, benefit from a stretched position.
There is no need to remain on a plateau. If you are not growing rapidly you are doing something wrong. You should eat enough to cause a weight gain. Those on a diet cannot expect to grow muscles rapidly.
Whether it is beneficial to feed the muscle before, during and after training is unknown but Milos and some others swear this is really helpful.
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Soreness has nothing to do with hypertrophy whatsoever. You get sore from doing things you aren't used to. For muscles to grow they need to be stressed by a load that's high enough.
Run a quarter marathon when you're not used to it and I'll guarantee you, you'll be sore as hell but will it make your legs grow? Hell no.
Many people think this way. I think they are mistaken. There is some evidence from the science that suggests the DOMS is related to growth in the muscle. When the scientists try to do more hypertrophy research we will find out this is true.
Ask yourself why the muscle gets sore and then after a couple of weeks it no longer gets sore? What if you keep it sore all the time? Well, I asked those questions and found the muscle grows rapidly if you keep them sore with heavy, hard training. Your strength leaps ahead with the size gains.