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Obama’s Outrageous DOL Rules Will Restrict Minors From Working on Family Farms – Killing Farm Life
gateway ^ | March 21, 2012, | Jim Hoft
Posted on March 22, 2012 12:40:19 AM EDT by george76
Barack Obama is committed to killing off the family farm – an American tradition.
For generations children and adults have worked together on the family farm. Those days are over.
Senators John Thune (R-S.D.) and Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) today introduced the Preserving America’s Family Farm Act, to prevent the Department of Labor (DOL) from enacting its controversial proposed restrictions that would ban children from working on family farms.
Senator Thune spoke out against the Obama Administration’s proposed labor rules for youth who work on farms and ranches on the Senate floor.
The Obama Administration’s rules are so strict they would restrict minors from handling most animals and even from using battery-powered screwdrivers.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
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I have an idea. Start another Obama thread.
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I have an idea. Start another Obama thread.
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How about next time yo morons don't elect communists and radical pieces of garbage? u
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Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores
By Patrick Richardson 1:31 AM 04/25/2012
A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.
The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.
Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”
“Prohibited places of employment,” a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.”
The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.
Rossie Blinson, a 21-year-old college student from Buis Creek, N.C., told The Daily Caller that the federal government’s plan will do far more harm than good.
“The main concern I have is that it would prevent kids from doing 4-H and FFA projects if they’re not at their parents’ house,” said Blinson.
“I started showing sheep when I was four years old. I started with cattle around 8. It’s been very important. I learned a lot of responsibility being a farm kid.”
In Kansas, Cherokee County Farm Bureau president Jeff Clark was out in the field — literally on a tractor — when TheDC reached him. He said if Solis’s regulations are implemented, farming families’ labor losses from their children will only be part of the problem.
“What would be more of a blow,” he said, “is not teaching our kids the values of working on a farm.”
The Environmental Protection Agency reports that the average age of the American farmer is now over 50.
“Losing that work-ethic — it’s so hard to pick this up later in life,” Clark said. “There’s other ways to learn how to farm, but it’s so hard. You can learn so much more working on the farm when you’re 12, 13, 14 years old.”
John Weber, 19, understands this. The Minneapolis native grew up in suburbia and learned the livestock business working summers on his relatives’ farm.
He’s now a college Agriculture major.
“I started working on my grandparent’s and uncle’s farms for a couple of weeks in the summer when I was 12,” Weber told TheDC. “I started spending full summers there when I was 13.”
“The work ethic is a huge part of it. It gave me a lot of direction and opportunity in my life. If they do this it will prevent a lot of interest in agriculture. It’s harder to get a 16 year-old interested in farming than a 12 year old.”
Weber is also a small businessman. In high school, he said, he took out a loan and bought a few steers to raise for income. “Under these regulations,” he explained, “I wouldn’t be allowed to do that.”
In February the Labor Department seemingly backed away from what many had called an unrealistic reach into farmers’ families, reopening the public comment period on a section of the regulations designed to give parents an exemption for their own children.
But U.S. farmers’ largest trade group is unimpressed.
“American Farm Bureau does not view that as a victory,” said Kristi Boswell, a labor specialist with the American Farm Bureau Federation. “It’s a misconception that they have backed off on the parental exemption.”
Boswell chafed at the government’s rationale for bringing farms strictly into line with child-labor laws.
“They have said the number of injuries are higher for children than in non-ag industries,” she said. But everyone in agriculture, Boswell insisted, “makes sure youth work in tasks that are age-appropriate.”
The safety training requirements strike many in agriculture as particularly strange, given an injury rate among young people that is already falling rapidly.
According to a United States Department of Agriculture study, farm accidents among youth fell nearly 40 percent between 2001 and 2009, to 7.2 injuries per 1,000 farms.
Clark said the regulations are vague and meddlesome.
“It’s so far-reaching,” he exclaimed, “kids would be prohibited from working on anything ‘power take-off’ driven, and anything with a work-height over six feet — which would include the tractor I’m on now.”
The way the regulations are currently written, he added, would prohibit children under 16 from using battery powered screwdrivers, since their motors, like those of a tractor, are defined as “power take-off driven.”
And jobs that could “inflict pain on an animal” would also be off-limits for kids. But “inflicting pain,” Clark explained, is left undefined: If it included something like putting a halter on a steer, 4-H and FFA animal shows would be a thing of the past.
In a letter to The Department of Labor in December, Montana Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg complained that the animal provision would also mean young people couldn’t “see veterinary medicine in practice … including a veterinarian’s own children accompanying him or her to a farm or ranch.”
Boswell told TheDC that the new farming regulations could go into effect as early as August. She claimed farmers could soon find The Labor Department’s Wage and Hour Division inspectors on their land, citing them for violations.
“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate.
It’s something Kansas Republican Senator Jerry Moran believes simply shouldn’t happen.
During a March 14 hearing, Moran blasted Hilda Solis for getting between rural parents and their children.
“The consequences of the things that you put in your regulations lack common sense,” Moran said.
“And in my view, if the federal government can regulate the kind of relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm, there is almost nothing off-limits in which we see the federal government intruding in a way of life.”
The Department of Labor did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural-kids-parents-angry-about-labor-dept-rule-banning-farm-chores/#ixzz1t3LkYFdp
FU EVERY OBAMA VOTER - COMMUNISTS ALL OF YOU.
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Obama’s Attacks on the Family Farm Come Straight From Marxist Handbook
Gateway Pundit ^ | April 26,2012 | Jim Hoft
Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:09:49 AM by Hojczyk
Barack Obama is attacking the family farm – an American tradition. The administration’s Department of Labor implemented new regulations to restrict children from working on the family farm. This is despite the fact that farm accidents and injuries have decreased over the past several years.
For generations children and adults have worked together on the family farm. Those days are over.
Senators John Thune (R-S.D.) and Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) introduced the Preserving America’s Family Farm Act, to prevent the Department of Labor (DOL) from enacting its controversial proposed restrictions that would ban children from working on family farms.
Recently, Senator John Thune spoke out against the Obama Administration’s proposed labor rules for youth who work on farms and ranches on the Senate floor.
The Marxist-Leninist dogma said, “A small property generates capitalism day by day, minute by minute, spontaneous, and in mass proportions.” The small-time farmer feeding his family, with a little surplus, was seen as an individual member of the bourgeoisie, requiring squashing.
Redistributing wealth is the only thing communists know how to do brutally and stealthily well. Those who do not pay taxes or hold down jobs protest that it is their right to steal someone else’s money. They’ve even come up with a new euphemism, they are not stealing the wealth of producers, they are merely forcing them to “share the burden.”
But it is stealing! Every moment of time that we must work to earn money and pay taxes that are then spent by our out-of-control government on non-producers is a moment too long that we are slaves to someone else, a moment of time that is stolen from our limited time on earth.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
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What are your weekend plans?
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FARM_LABOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-04-26-19-44-56
Awesome. Ghettobama backtracking on this.
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What are your weekend plans?
obama has sold saturday and sunday to the chinese. it's back to work on saturday.
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obama has sold saturday and sunday to the chinese. it's back to work on saturday.
Going to Baltimore for the weekend.
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Going to Baltimore for the weekend.
Lucky for us, I bet they have the internet there.
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Lucky for us, I bet they have the internet there.
Yeah, god forbid anyone get in the way of your delusional pathetic fantasies of Obama and his disgusting fat thug ghetto parasite. Leach of a wife stealing tax dollars.
I am embarrassed for you at this point. You don't even realize how delusional and pathetic you are defending the ghetto slum dog potus and is failed presidency.
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Going to Baltimore for the weekend.
ever watched "The Wire" series from HBO?
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Going to Baltimore for the weekend.
why are you going there?
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why are you going there?
GF has some reunion or some shot like that. Going to an orioles game and I like the harbor yards there. Since you can go on old ships and soe coast guard cutters.
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Washington Elitists Want To Take Over The Family Farm
IBD Editorials ^ | April 26, 2012
Posted on April 26, 2012 7:26:47 PM EDT by Kaslin
Regulation: For centuries, children have played an indispensable role in family farms. Their efforts have been and still are often essential to survival. But the nanny state wants to outlaw their contributions.
What do the Labor Department bureaucrats in urban, elitist Washington who are writing the rule that would prohibit children under 18 from working on farms know about farm culture?
How familiar are they with agricultural society and its age-old traditions and its timeless demands? Who are they to interfere with a way of life that has been the backbone of America?
None of that matters to the busybodies and petty tyrants of the federal government. They will force their rules on others because they believe in their moral and intellectual superiority — particularly over a people they see as hayseeds in fly-over country.
Farming has inherent dangers. We won't dispute that.
The machinery can be lethal. It is also hard work. It's not a cushy and counterproductive government job that pays more than productive private-sector work.
What farming also isn't is a domain of private life that the federal government can take over.
Should the Obama Labor Department get its way, farm kids under 18 will no longer be allowed to work in grain elevators, silos and feed lots, or at stockyards and livestock auctions.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...
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GF has some reunion or some shot like that. Going to an orioles game and I like the harbor yards there. Since you can go on old ships and soe coast guard cutters.
Hahaha.
Did you meet your "girlfriend" at "law school"?
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Hahaha.
Did you meet your "girlfriend" at "law school"?
You are a troubled troll. Seek help.
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You are a troubled troll. Seek help.
You are a terrible liar. Try harder.
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You are a terrible liar. Try harder.
What have I lied about?
Obama is a failure, an incompetent ghetto street punk, a communist, a lazy thug, and has his delusional fans like yourself selling their souls to support this disastrous presidency.
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GF has some reunion or some shot like that. Going to an orioles game and I like the harbor yards there. Since you can go on old ships and soe coast guard cutters.
so reunion, baseball game and then looking at old ships
I assume you won't let us down and you will you be posting nonstop from your phone while doing all that
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:D :D
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yyyeeeaahhhh!!!! Another thread resulting in petty personal attacks rather than discussing the subject at hand.
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yyyeeeaahhhh!!!! Another thread resulting in petty personal attacks rather than discussing the subject at hand.
ok - what kind of communist wants less workers?
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33386, I'm gld you're taking some time off work to enjoy yourself.
God knows you're doing your law duties 24/7 and that you hardly have time to post.
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GF has some reunion or some shot like that. Going to an orioles game and I like the harbor yards there. Since you can go on old ships and soe coast guard cutters.
did you figure out what the reunion was about yet?
how about posting some pics from your trip
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did you figure out what the reunion was about yet?
how about posting some pics from your trip
:)
Another creepy gay obssessed stalker who can't defend the communist ghetto thug so they make it personal. Truly sick you fags are.
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How are you and your girl doing in Baltimore?
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How are you and your girl doing in Baltimore?
Good. Just got off the uss constellation, uss torsk, and a huge coast guard cutter. Those WW2 subs are tight!
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:) :)
Another creepy gay obssessed stalker who can't defend the communist ghetto thug so they make it personal. Truly sick you fags are.
wtf man - why so pissy today?
I asked you a couple of simple questions
you'd think you'd know what kind of reunion your girlfriend was going to by now
I already asked you a serious question and you just ignored it
here it is again
ok - what kind of communist wants less workers?
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LOL its funny that you want to know so much yet are so careful not to give any information about you...
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LOL its funny that you want to know so much yet are so careful not to give any information about you...
Why are you always eating the nuts out of 333386's poop while you give him handjobs?
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Why are you always eating the nuts out of 333386's poop while you give him handjobs?
Why do you do the same for obama?
now piss off you bottom bitch gimmick ;)
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It's true, Tony has a man crush on 3333...
It's also true that this was a good topic posted by 3333 that got wasted with bullshit replies. Perhaps that's part 3333's fault for posting everything possible against Obama. The good shit gets lost in a mountain of threads, many of them a bit silly.
But Gare, Straw, blacken, 240, this thread deserves a serious reply. Forget who posted it.
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are they missing any school as a result of their farm labor?
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are they missing any school as a result of their farm labor?
You don't ask that question, you show us that's a problem. The onus is on you, not them. It's not their kids growing up causing problems in society is it?!?
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It's true, Tony has a man crush on 3333...
It's also true that this was a good topic posted by 3333 that got wasted with bullshit replies. Perhaps that's part 3333's fault for posting everything possible against Obama. The good shit gets lost in a mountain of threads, many of them a bit silly.
But Gare, Straw, blacken, 240, this thread deserves a serious reply. Forget who posted it.
lol take shots at me all you want i dont mind so long as you keep the gimmicks and trolls in check...
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lol take shots at me all you want i dont mind so long as you keep the gimmicks and trolls in check...
We have Manning now... I'm above all that :D
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i'm confused here.
i'm fine with kids being allowed to work on farms, as long as they are physically harmed and they get the same schooling as the non-farming kids.
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We have Manning now... I'm above all that :D
LOL you guys did a decent job of getting him some mediocre talent around him that he will make look good if he is the same old peyton.
You will definitely be playoff contenders, Ill be watching peyton and how he looks especially as the weather starts to get colder.
He will be my back up QB in my fantasy league, right behind Tom Brady ;)
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What's next? Kids cannot get 20 bucks a week for doing chores around the house? Can't take out the trash without paying taxes on chore money? Fucking pathetic. ::)
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i'm confused here.
i'm fine with kids being allowed to work on farms, as long as they are physically harmed and they get the same schooling as the non-farming kids.
yea, I would say you're confused... That's fucked up dude.
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It's true, Tony has a man crush on 3333...
It's also true that this was a good topic posted by 3333 that got wasted with bullshit replies. Perhaps that's part 3333's fault for posting everything possible against Obama. The good shit gets lost in a mountain of threads, many of them a bit silly.
But Gare, Straw, blacken, 240, this thread deserves a serious reply. Forget who posted it.
It's also true that the proposed rule had an EXEMPTION for family farms so yet again we have another completely bogus thread title from 333
Also, the proposed rule change has been scrapped and it didn't really seem that bad, especially when compared to how the Repubs want to insert themselves into your private life.
The new regulations would have forbidden children younger than 16 years of age from completing “agricultural work with animals and in pesticide handling, timber operations, manure pits and storage bins.” It would also have barred farm workers under 16 from handling most “power-driven equipment” and from contributing to the “cultivation, harvesting and curing of tobacco.”
The Labor Department received thousands of comments on the proposed rule from safety advocates, ranchers, unions, agriculture associations and members of Congress. Many were concerned the rule would apply to family farms, despite an exemption included by the Labor Department
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/224169-obama-administration-scraps-child-labor-rules-for-farms
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It's also true that the proposed rule had an EXEMPTION for family farms so yet again we have another completely bogus thread title from 333
Also, the proposed rule change has been scrapped and it didn't really seem that bad, especially when compared to how the Repubs want to insert themselves into your private life.
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/224169-obama-administration-scraps-child-labor-rules-for-farms
Yeah straw - Obama and his gang of communist traitors should just un our lives and weall need to pray for exemptions to his tyranny.
Straw - yes , if you still support Obama you are a communist and tyrant.
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Yeah straw - Obama and his gang of communist traitors should just un our lives and weall need to pray for exemptions to his tyranny.
Straw - yes , if you still support Obama you are a communist and tyrant.
and you continue to be a delusional moron who ignores facts so you can maintain your 24/7 rage at imaginary injustices
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I read a lot about this attempt by Obama and his gang of communists. it's more thuggery and communism by Obama.
this is no different than islamobama saying he created an exemption for the church in MengleCare. FUCK the exemptions!
nough of this shit already! why can't Obama and his gang of illiterate incompetent communists just focus o balancing the books and reducing waste fraud and abuse? s that too much to fucking ask?
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I read a lot about this attempt by Obama and his gang of communists. it's more thuggery and communism by Obama.
this is no different than islamobama saying he created an exemption for the church in MengleCare. FUCK the exemptions!
nough of this shit already! why can't Obama and his gang of illiterate incompetent communists just focus o balancing the books and reducing waste fraud and abuse? s that too much to fucking ask?
Settle down Beavis
you're clearly suffering from withdrawal since you haven't been able to do your 100+ daily posts in the last couple of days
Try to focus on stuff that's actually happening rathe than shit you make up and then get enraged about
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ReallY? Than why did Obama back down from this if it was so clear it would have zero impact on family farms?
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ReallY? Than why did Obama back down from this if it was so clear it would have zero impact on family farms?
read the link I posted for your answer
btw - why does it even matter since you just ignore shit that doesn't fit your preconceived beliefs anyway
dude - you are a certified nutjob
that will never change without lots of drugs and perhaps some shock therapy
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read the link I posted for your answer
btw - why does it even matter since you just ignore shit that doesn't fit your preconceived beliefs anyway
dude - you are a certified nutjob
that will never change without lots of drugs and perhaps some shock therapy
really? Many farmers as well and congress people felt the exemption was a sham and total bs as well.
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really? Many farmers as well and congress people felt the exemption was a sham and total bs as well.
in the immortal words of Dick Cheney....
so?
Many Repubs aren't exactly rationale or grounded in reality either
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in the immortal words of Dick Cheney....
so?
Many Repubs aren't exactly rationale or grounded in reality either
You think it was only. Repubs that got Obama to. Back down?
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You think it was only. Repubs that got Obama to. Back down?
I think he has to make many decisions at the moment based on the upcoming election
none of the proposed rules affected family farms but, per their ONLY strategy, the Repubs have to oppose anything that the Obama adminstration is in favor of doing
I thought you would have at least learned this by now
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I think he has to make many decisions at the moment based on the upcoming election
none of the proposed rules affected family farms but, per their ONLY strategy, the Repubs have to oppose anything that the Obama adminstration is in favor of doing
I thought you would have at least learned this by now
nothing Obama has proposed is even remotely worthy of getting behind so far.
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nothing Obama has proposed is even remotely worthy of getting behind so far.
apparently not even the legislation promoted dreamed up and promoted by Repubs
as soon as Obama gets on board they vote against their own ideas
party before country ......just like you
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apparently not even the legislation promoted dreamed up and promoted by Repubs
as soon as Obama gets on board they vote against their own ideas
party before country ......just like you
Like what?
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Like what?
dude - this has been discussed MANY times
why should I waste my time with you again when you seem to just forget or ignore stuff
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dude - this has been discussed MANY times
why should I waste my time with you again when you seem to just forget or ignore stuff
Tell me one Obama initiative I should have backed.
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Tell me one Obama initiative I should have backed.
I think instead I'm going to go bbq a tri-tip and drink a few beers
that's a MUCH better use of my time
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I think instead I'm going to go bbq a tri-tip and drink a few beers
that's a MUCH better use of my time
Thank you. Not one single thing in three years you can point to.
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Thank you. Not one single thing in three years you can point to.
If you were capable of reading you would have noticed that I said Repubs vote against their own sponsored legislation as soon as Obama is on board.....then you switched the subject and asked what Obama initiative you should have backed
Dude - seriously man, do you think I'm going to waste my time talking to an idiot who truly believes that Obama is a secret communist, muslim, marxist, etc... intent on "collapsing" the country
I thought we had already firmly established that you're an idiot and not worth wasting time trying to have an actual dialogue
Take this thready for example - your title makes it sound like Obama is trying to "end family farms as we know it" when that's not even remotely true
Here's the deal, stupid people get scared really easily which is why it's so easy for Repubs to get certain people so riled up
People like you that are especially stupid aren't satisfied getting scared over things that might actually exist so you have to make shit up to get scared and panicked about and then you come hear and post your nonsense and seem baffled when people laugh at your stupidity
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If you were capable of reading you would have noticed that I said Repubs vote against their own sponsored legislation as soon as Obama is on board.....then you switched the subject and asked what Obama initiative you should have backed
Dude - seriously man, do you think I'm going to waste my time talking to an idiot who truly believes that Obama is a secret communist, muslim, marxist, etc... intent on "collapsing" the country
I thought we had already firmly established that you're an idiot and not worth wasting time trying to have an actual dialogue
Take this thready for example - your title makes it sound like Obama is trying to "end family farms as we know it" when that's not even remotely true
Here's the deal, stupid people get scared really easily which is why it's so easy for Repubs to get certain people so riled up
People like you that are especially stupid aren't satisfied getting scared over things that might actually exist so you have to make shit up to get scared and panicked about and then you come hear and post your nonsense and seem baffled when people laugh at your stupidity
Again - name some obama initiatives you think myself and other repubs should have backed obama on.
Even 3 would be nice to discuss.
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Again - name some obama initiatives you think myself and other repubs should have backed obama on.
Even 3 would be nice to discuss.
no time for you lunacy this morning
refer to the more than 50k of threads where Obama initiatives have been discussed
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no time for you lunacy this morning
refer to the more than 50k of threads where Obama initiatives have been discussed
Like what? You are going to vote for this douchebag again and can't even name three things off the top of your head?
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Like what? You are going to vote for this douchebag again and can't even name three things off the top of your head?
I can name 10 things or more but again, WHY BOTHER
btw - when will Obama be dropping out of the race
do you think it will be this month?
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I can name 10 things or more but again, WHY BOTHER
btw - when will Obama be dropping out of the race
do you think it will be this month?
Good - instead of wasting time bashing me - list thwe ten items.
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Good - instead of wasting time bashing me - list thwe ten items.
nope - it's a better use of my time to bash you
either that or show my dog some card tricks
either one would be more productive than pretending you're rational or even sane
come on 333 - you know this by now
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nope - it's a better use of my time to bash you
either that or show my dog some card tricks
either one would be more productive than pretending you're rational or even sane
come on 333 - you know this by now
How sad - even the most ardent obamabots cant name anything he has done worthy of re-election.
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How sad - even the most ardent obamabots cant name anything he has done worthy of re-election.
you're really in crybaby mode today aren't you ?
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you're really in crybaby mode today aren't you ?
not at all - laughing my ass off at how utterly pathetic obama slaves like yourself will go to defend this communist piece of trash in the wake of his failed policies and failed administration.
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not at all - laughing my ass off at how utterly pathetic obama slaves like yourself will go to defend this communist piece of trash in the wake of his failed policies and failed administration.
and you wonder why I don't want to waste my time trying to talk to you like a rational human being
btw - when is Obama going to drop out of the race ?
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and you wonder why I don't want to waste my time trying to talk to you like a rational human being
btw - when is Obama going to drop out of the race ?
Hopefully today to save face for the coming tsunami in november worse than 2010 like you never saw coming.
its so amusing. Obama is destroying the demo party and you clowns keep supporting him without reservation.