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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #325 on: May 19, 2020, 04:58:02 PM »
Nigga you from canada....the fuck do you know....didn't you guys lose your Black poplulation when Grant Fuhr moved?

Yes.  Thankfully.

All I know is what I read from the FBI crime stats, DOJ stats, etc.

It doesn't take a genius to notice a trend when a group of people who comprise 3.5% of the population commit more robbery, assault, rape, and murder than the other 96.5% of the population of all other age and racial demographics combined.

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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #326 on: May 19, 2020, 05:04:11 PM »
kid always seemed to find trouble
eventually led to his death
sounds about right
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This is true for most of the black urban youth in america, they step out looking for trouble and then claim dey dindu nuffin!

This guy was no different. A far cry from the "bow-tie wearing honor student" as claimed by the media.




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« Reply #327 on: May 19, 2020, 05:11:35 PM »
there is nothing sadder than a "Race Realist".....

1) you actually are dumb enough to trust stats compiled by (((them)))
2) wouldn't you want to be adventurous and actually get to know a person first and then judge them?...

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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #328 on: May 19, 2020, 05:12:03 PM »

So what??  Its not relevant to the murder investigation.   Just a way to muddy up the jury

that video is very very relevant, it means he was not jogging, lol.  but all blacks will stick up for all guilty blacks, thats a fact!
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« Reply #329 on: May 19, 2020, 05:13:51 PM »
again, im not saying that all blacks are criminals.  I am saying this kid was NOT jogging, he was up to no good!!  BUT HE DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE, especially in the hands of civilians
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« Reply #330 on: May 19, 2020, 05:15:38 PM »
he should have been kicked out of the neighborhood, not gunned down.  These 2 guys will go to jail for murder, as they should, I don't have a problem with that, but that kid was not joggin
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #331 on: May 19, 2020, 05:28:50 PM »
again, im not saying that all blacks are criminals. 

settle down, Grand Wizard

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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #332 on: May 19, 2020, 05:30:04 PM »
he should have been kicked out of the neighborhood, not gunned down.  These 2 guys will go to jail for murder, as they should, I don't have a problem with that, but that kid was not joggin

Just watched the video again. He seems to run around the pickup and lunge towards the man with the shotgun, trying to pry it from the man's hands until he get's shot multiple times in CQ.



Someone else in his position could have easily stopped jogging and stopped acting like a threat seeing two armed men in a pickup in the middle of the road.
Why would you try to grab a gun out of the hands of an armed civilian?....that's a deathwish.

Doesn't make sense.


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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #333 on: May 19, 2020, 05:40:57 PM »
C'mon man you know better , I though you were from the streets ,If you pull a gun on someone, you are creating the situation , if someone pull a gun on me I would assume he is going to use it (kill me ) I would do whatever is necessary to survive.
Huge difference between "pulling a gun on someone" and having a gun. As far as I can see, he doesn't shoulder the shotgun and aim at Arbery.
Now flip it, if you're jogging down the street and you see two guys with guns in the street in front of you, do you continue towards them and try to jog around them? Do you lunge across the front of the truck and try to wrestle the gun away? He was far enough away from them to change course. Or do you turn around and head the opposite direction? Do you pull your cell phone and record them? Do you stop jogging and try to communicate from a distance? There are a ton of ways this scenario could have played out differently. In the end, from what I see, I believe these guys will not be convicted of murder, maybe a lesser charge.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #334 on: May 19, 2020, 06:05:42 PM »
Huge difference between "pulling a gun on someone" and having a gun. As far as I can see, he doesn't shoulder the shotgun and aim at Arbery.
Now flip it, if you're jogging down the street and you see two guys with guns in the street in front of you, do you continue towards them and try to jog around them? Do you lunge across the front of the truck and try to wrestle the gun away? He was far enough away from them to change course. Or do you turn around and head the opposite direction? Do you pull your cell phone and record them? Do you stop jogging and try to communicate from a distance? There are a ton of ways this scenario could have played out differently. In the end, from what I see, I believe these guys will not be convicted of murder, maybe a lesser charge.

you can't reason with someone that pulls the race card, their minds were made up way before this incident occured
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« Reply #335 on: May 19, 2020, 06:07:11 PM »
this makes me emphasize with Donald Trump and his views on CNN, you just can't reason with some people, stats or no stats
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« Reply #336 on: May 19, 2020, 07:14:01 PM »
so what did you think of the 2 videos?

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Unless I am mistaken, most of one of the videos has disappeared from mainstream internet...at least the part where there's some manner of confrontation and shots are fired. I am not sure what the other one you mention is. Are you talking about the one where Ahmaud is walking around the house under construction?

Regardless, people see what they want to see even when confronted with an indisputable video, which this one is not. Those who think Ahmaud instigated the shooting are not going to change their minds and those (like me) who question why the father and son yahoos took it upon themselves to pursue this fellow, see the whole event differently.

I could probably watch the video of the actual shooting until I turned blue and not know exactly what happened. Based on the one time I saw it supposedly unedited, Too much was going on out of camera range for me to know exactly what happened between Ahmaud and his killer.

My philosophy in a nutshell is that if someone threatens my life or the life of someone I love, I will do whatever it takes to make that not happen, including shooting them if I owned a gun (which I do not). When someone steals my personal property or I see them stealing someone else's shit, even when I only suspect that's what they are doing, I'll be on the phone calling 911 and writing down or videotaping as much as I can about the crime. What I know for sure is that no material property I have or anyone else has is worth someone's life. And, I don't give a fat fuck whether the players are black, yellow, brown, red or white.

I wrote this before. If the race of the people involved in this horrendous incident were reversed, would you come to the same conclusions? When you can answer this honestly, this who did what discussion might be about the truth and not about our prejudices.

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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #337 on: May 19, 2020, 07:37:41 PM »
the videos on page 12 and 13 where he is getting arrested

you would think nothing of that guy "jogging" in your upper middle class oregon neighborhood?

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« Reply #338 on: May 19, 2020, 08:01:17 PM »
Whoops, my bad.  Thank you for the clarification, Al Doggity.  See - I change my position when exposed to new information.




What position did you change based on new information? Do you now think that race isn't the only factor  that determines what crimes get news coverage?  ???  Your post makes it sound like you're keeping exactly the same position despite new information.


I never understand white guys who are convinced that anything that doesn't align with their limited world view is because of the jewish cabal conspiring to destabilize the western world.  ::)



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« Reply #339 on: May 19, 2020, 08:14:17 PM »
I don't, that's why I have an open mind and am asking questions, not blaming one or the other.
What happened at the front of the truck when Arbery turned and crossed it? His reputation is irrelevant, but his actions are not. If it's found that he crossed the truck and attacked the guy with the gun, then he created the situation where the two men were fighting for their lives. If the guy with the gun fired like Vince says, then Arbery was defending himself and it's murder. The defense attorney will play on those few frames of footage and look to get those guys set free, while the prosecution will push the narrative that those guys were intent on killing him. It all comes down to which attorney brings the most compelling argument.

And those aren't facts.  You blasted the other poster for being told what to think by the media, yet you're basically saying he should wait  to be told what to think by lawyers based on indecipherable video.

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« Reply #340 on: May 19, 2020, 09:22:37 PM »
And those aren't facts.  You blasted the other poster for being told what to think by the media, yet you're basically saying he should wait  to be told what to think by lawyers based on indecipherable video.
Which part of my post are disputing as not being factual ??? Anyone can form their own opinion with any amount of information they choose. The media or lawyers don't have to convince me, I won't be the judge or jury.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #341 on: May 19, 2020, 09:29:49 PM »
the videos on page 12 and 13 where he is getting arrested

you would think nothing of that guy "jogging" in your upper middle class oregon neighborhood?

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It would be very suspicious. I would call the cops to check it out as I've done in the past. The police would have the authority to stop and question him as well as run a check on him to see if he has any priors. Being LE, Ahmaud would be less likely to be confrontational and violent then if it were some civilian. I certainly wouldn't arm myself and block him off.

I always find it interesting how two people can look at the same exact situation and come to completely, and often diametrically opposed, viewpoints. To me, it seems obvious that the White guys initiated the confrontation just by being there blocking his way. It wasn't some random meeting. The two guys intended to confront him and went out of their way to do so. I have no doubt they will both do some time.

Now that we know, after the killing, the background of Ahmaud it is not a stretch to say that he was no model citizen and I believe he was up to no good. He was staking out the neighborhood looking to steal something. But I'm just speculating based on personal bias and prejudice. There is also a big difference in thinking about stealing and actual stealing. I don't see where he committed any crime. He certainly didn't deserve to be killed. To some here he's just another worthless nig and the world is a better place without him, but he had a mother, sister, relatives and friends and they will have to live with the memory of two guys with guns taking it upon themselves to be judge and executioner.

To you he's just another thug and gangsta, but not to everyone.

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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #342 on: May 19, 2020, 09:45:54 PM »
This is one of my nephews, Roy, on the right. He was such a fun, cheerful, energetic kid that I adored. He loved rough and tumble stuff and we would wrestle all the time. He was tough and competitive and would become quite an athlete and wrestler in school. His father killed himself when Roy was 8 years old. He had a lot of issues and pent up anger. Although he certainly wasn't an angel and got into more than his fair share of trouble, he never physically hurt or assaulted anybody in the commission of a crime. His scraps were always "in house" affairs within his own narrow world. But I never saw this side of him. When he was with family he was just Roy, always joking around, laughing, and having a good time. Treated his mom like a queen. He was different when he was at home around people that loved and cared for him and whom he could trust. Not so much out in the real world. 

Anyway, he's changed a lot since his thug days and has turned his life around.
There's often more to a person than what you see under specific circumstances.
 

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« Reply #343 on: May 19, 2020, 09:50:33 PM »

What position did you change based on new information? Do you now think that race isn't the only factor  that determines what crimes get news coverage?  ???  Your post makes it sound like you're keeping exactly the same position despite new information.

I thought the security guy shot was White, making it a Black-on-White crime.

You informed me that the security guard was Black, making it a Black-on-Black crime.

Now that I have new information, I have adjusted my view on the facts of that case, until I get further information.

That being said, it's not like I was confidently going around asserting "A WHITE SECURITY GUARD WAS SHOT BY A BLACK MAN [and/or his son] AND THE MEDIA IS SAYING NOTHING ABOUT IT."

I simply thought it was a Black-on-White crime, and now realize, as per you correcting me, that it was a Black-on-Black crime.

Either way - both are insignificant in terms of Jewish media coverage.

I never understand white guys who are convinced that anything that doesn't align with their limited world view is because of the jewish cabal conspiring to destabilize the western world.  ::)

Yeah, but you believe there's some conspiracy where White police officers go around hunting Black men for sport, when in reality, Black men are something like 19 times more likely to shoot a White cop than the reverse, and virtually all of these cases, when broken down, are more or less horseshit.

Jews don't "control the world" or whatever.  I'm not saying that, and most people who have spent years studying the behaviour of Jews and their impact on Western civilization wouldn't say that.

I suppose the best way I can summarize it is that Jews are a group of people who are extremely intelligent.

That's basically it.

Naturally, an out-group of extremely high IQ people are who consistently do things to benefit their own in-group are going to do things that are contrary to other in-groups.  Why WOULDN'T this be the case?

When you and other POC/leftists moan on about the White "oppressing" you and being evil [meanwhile, American Blacks are doing better than Africans literally anywhere else on the planet, in terms of quality of life, access to education, access to healthcare, lifespan, etc], how on earth is that any different than me talking about how the Jewish impact/influence on Western society is somehow less than perfect?

What exactly are YOU suggesting, Al Doggity?  Are you saying that White societies are somehow improving thanks to racial diversity / multiculturalism?

If so, LOL.

Please.

Point me to any formally White-majority society which:

[1] Increased its non-White population.
[2] Improved after increasing its non-White population, and,
[3] CORRELATE the increase in the non-White population of that White-majority society with the alleged improvements you claim it made.

I would LOVE to see you show me how Canada, for example, has somehow become a better/safer place to live since going from 86% White in 2001, to 74% White now in 2020, or whatever it is.

Especially given that Toronto now has a higher murder rate than NEW YORK CITY.

But please, I'd love to hear you school me here, if you don't mind.

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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #344 on: May 19, 2020, 10:16:23 PM »
This is one of my nephews, Roy, on the right. He was such a fun, cheerful, energetic kid that I adored. He loved rough and tumble stuff and we would wrestle all the time. He was tough and competitive and would become quite an athlete and wrestler in school. His father killed himself when Roy was 8 years old. He had a lot of issues and pent up anger. Although he certainly wasn't an angel and got into more than his fair share of trouble, he never physically hurt or assaulted anybody in the commission of a crime. His scraps were always "in house" affairs within his own narrow world. But I never saw this side of him. When he was with family he was just Roy, always joking around, laughing, and having a good time. Treated his mom like a queen. He was different when he was at home around people that loved and cared for him and whom he could trust. Not so much out in the real world. 

Anyway, he's changed a lot since his thug days and has turned his life around.
There's often more to a person than what you see under specific circumstances.

Dayum, looks-wise Roy could be my younger brother.

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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #345 on: May 20, 2020, 03:06:41 AM »
double standard by the media for sure
there was hardly an outrage at the 4 blacks who tortured a white disabled kid some time back
they even dropped the 'hate crime' charge
not so if other way around
if you are black and dont agree theres a double-standard, you have mental issues.


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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #346 on: May 20, 2020, 05:54:09 AM »
                             

                                         Ok lets try this again. Here is what happened. This dindu was not jogging. He had been in the neighborhood many times before and has stolen things. The owner of property had cameras and had asked the other guys who you racists refer to as "rednecks or hillbillies or goober etc".  So they were told rufus was in the building. They went to see another person DID call the cops. The cops were on their way. These 2 good guys went to make sure tyrone didnt get away. They were trying to hold him until cops came. Then the dindu heard the sirens and took off "jogging" The guys had told him to stop they wanted to talk to him but he kept on going cuz he knew he was gonna be arrested. They passed him stopped truck and ONE guy and ONLY  one guy got out to confront him. But leroy kept running. He thought he could actually win in a fight. smh. ( shows the stupidity of the sub species)

                                            The guy was filming this whole thing so they would have proof and to show the cops when they finally got there. We all know it takes some time for cops to show up .Thats why the hebrew was runing to his car to get away. he didnt steal anything this time because there wasnt anything to take. He had been there before. He had stolen from there before. So yes . He caused his own death. he could of turned and ran the other way especially if he was "just out jogging". Why risk getting shot if you were just "jogging" ? the knnee grow knew he had to get away and took his chances. He lost. Now 2 very good humans will be sent to prison because if they dont then the blacks will riot . Oops i mean "protest". Thats what they do and society doesnt want to "anger "them so they give in to them.  Its so stupid. Ever notice that no matter what the african does they other members of his tribe always stick up for him. ( and a bunch of brainwashed whites do too)  And if they win the jungle dwellers always say the voting was perfect but if they lose its always "racist".  Doesnt it ever occur to them that maybe they just were not good enough? The ghettos dwellers are the most racist so called humans ever. We all need to start standing up to them and doing the right thing. But our laws wont allow it. smh.

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Re: Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion
« Reply #347 on: May 20, 2020, 06:33:36 AM »
love how the brain dead media keep embarrassing themselves with the smiling tuxedo picture of said negro
oh yes, he was such a great scholar and professor
should he be dead? of course not
did he contribute to this, of course he did
not too bright that race of people
IQ stats
are the white guys not too bright? apparently so
overdone in the press so much it isnt even worth anything these days, except to get blacks a chance to lash out and riot, etc
what they do best
million man march - not one person missed work that day

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« Reply #348 on: May 20, 2020, 06:44:10 AM »
that video is very very relevant, it means he was not jogging, lol.  but all blacks will stick up for all guilty blacks, thats a fact!


Running down the fucking road isnt a crime...would have only been relevant if he was shot stealing a TV and even that isnt legal.  Stop defending these hillbillies
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« Reply #349 on: May 20, 2020, 06:49:42 AM »
double standard by the media for sure
there was hardly an outrage at the 4 blacks who tortured a white disabled kid some time back
they even dropped the 'hate crime' charge
not so if other way around
if you are black and dont agree theres a double-standard, you have mental issues.




What the hell are you talking about?? It was all over the news for days...🙄
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