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Papa John's Obamacare Costs Are Far Less Than Price Of Free Pizza Giveaway
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/860981/thumbs/r-PAPA-JOHNS-OBAMACARE-large570.jpg?4)
News flash to Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter: Obamacare isn’t the only thing costing your business money.
The pizza chain head has made his views on the Affordable Care Act clear in recent months, claiming the new health care law will cost his business about $5 to $8 million per year. To compensate Schnatter's said he will likely raise pizza prices and cut back some workers’ hours so he doesn’t have to insure them.
Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.
And there are other changes the chain could make to save some money, Melby notes, like not giving away 2 million pizzas for free at a cost of between $24 and $32 million to the company, for example.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/)
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Though you found out he uses horse semen or something nasty in his sauce. This story is boring. >:(
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Papa John's Obamacare Costs Are Far Less Than Price Of Free Pizza Giveaway
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/860981/thumbs/r-PAPA-JOHNS-OBAMACARE-large570.jpg?4)
News flash to Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter: Obamacare isn’t the only thing costing your business money.
The pizza chain head has made his views on the Affordable Care Act clear in recent months, claiming the new health care law will cost his business about $5 to $8 million per year. To compensate Schnatter's said he will likely raise pizza prices and cut back some workers’ hours so he doesn’t have to insure them.
Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.
And there are other changes the chain could make to save some money, Melby notes, like not giving away 2 million pizzas for free at a cost of between $24 and $32 million to the company, for example.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/)
papa john only wanted to give 1 million pizza's away peyton manning made it 2 million. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Papa John's Obamacare Costs Are Far Less Than Price Of Free Pizza Giveaway
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/860981/thumbs/r-PAPA-JOHNS-OBAMACARE-large570.jpg?4)
News flash to Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter: Obamacare isn’t the only thing costing your business money.
The pizza chain head has made his views on the Affordable Care Act clear in recent months, claiming the new health care law will cost his business about $5 to $8 million per year. To compensate Schnatter's said he will likely raise pizza prices and cut back some workers’ hours so he doesn’t have to insure them.
Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.
And there are other changes the chain could make to save some money, Melby notes, like not giving away 2 million pizzas for free at a cost of between $24 and $32 million to the company, for example.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/)
Those are the worst pizza pies I've ever tasted.
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You're talking about a billion dollar company here. Let's not even include his personal net worth. This is all publicity. If he doesn't like it, sure raise prices like there's no tomorrow. His competition will eat him up! Don't believe anything you hear or see. Do your own research.
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Papa John's Obamacare Costs Are Far Less Than Price Of Free Pizza Giveaway
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/860981/thumbs/r-PAPA-JOHNS-OBAMACARE-large570.jpg?4)
News flash to Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter: Obamacare isn’t the only thing costing your business money.
The pizza chain head has made his views on the Affordable Care Act clear in recent months, claiming the new health care law will cost his business about $5 to $8 million per year. To compensate Schnatter's said he will likely raise pizza prices and cut back some workers’ hours so he doesn’t have to insure them.
Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.
And there are other changes the chain could make to save some money, Melby notes, like not giving away 2 million pizzas for free at a cost of between $24 and $32 million to the company, for example.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/)
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You're talking about a billion dollar company here. Let's not even include his personal net worth. This is all publicity. If he doesn't like it, sure raise prices like there's no tomorrow. His competition will eat him up! Don't believe anything you hear or see. Do your own research.
It sounds like an excuse for him to raise prices and lay off workers.
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Papa John's Obamacare Costs Are Far Less Than Price Of Free Pizza Giveaway
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/860981/thumbs/r-PAPA-JOHNS-OBAMACARE-large570.jpg?4)
News flash to Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter: Obamacare isn’t the only thing costing your business money.
The pizza chain head has made his views on the Affordable Care Act clear in recent months, claiming the new health care law will cost his business about $5 to $8 million per year. To compensate Schnatter's said he will likely raise pizza prices and cut back some workers’ hours so he doesn’t have to insure them.
Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.
And there are other changes the chain could make to save some money, Melby notes, like not giving away 2 million pizzas for free at a cost of between $24 and $32 million to the company, for example.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/)
so obama care hires 16,000 IRS agents and trains 0 new docs and you think it will be MORE efficient??? ??? ::)
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The same Papa John that gave 250,000 to someone just to get his Camaro back? The same guy that sold off his Camaro to keep his business afloat? The same guy that gave some random people 25k just for helping find it?
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How Jalopnik Reunited Papa John With His Camaro
As we first reported yesterday, pizza magnate Papa John Schnatter has been reunited with his Camaro. This is the story of how Jalopnik made it happen and helped someone get $250,000.
The story really begins in 1983, when Papa John Schnatter's father was on the verge of closing his tavern because of a bankruptcy. Faced with few choices, Papa John sold the only asset he had to his name: A Bumblebee-striped black-and-gold 1971½ Chevy Camaro Z28.
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Click on the gallery to walk through where the Z28 traveled over the years.
With the $2,800 he received for the Camaro he was able to save the family business and launch Papa John's, a business that now numbers at more than 3,000 pizzerias in 26 countries with a market value of three-quarters of a billion dollars. He had a lot, but Papa John still missed that Camaro. So Schnatter started looking for it.
"For 26 years I wanted the car back," said Schnatter. "[A friend] looked for that car for most of the 1990s and it surprised me when we couldn't find it." They even hired an ex-FBI agent to search for the car, turning up nothing.
Schnatter even went so far as to have a replica of the original 1971½ Camaro Z28 built to emulate the original, though with an upgraded sound system and A/C. Still, Schnatter was unsatisfied and hit the road in search of the car, first offering up a $25,000 reward, then upping the ante to $250,000 when the first sum failed to find the car. Even though many cars of the era have been sent to the crusher, he said he "never gave up hope, I never ever give up on anything. For some reason I didn't think anyone smashed it up."
When Papa John stopped off in Houston in search of the car he took me for a drive. All Schnatter could talk about was that original car, telling me:
"It had the split-bumper, sunroof, BF Goodrich tires with steel wheels, I swapped out the rear end with a Positrac differential - and now the speedometer reads 10 MPH over the actual speed. It had a velvet interior, unlike the vinyl one in this car, it didn't have A/C, and the ash tray in back is falling off."
These were helpful clues, but there was something else that struck us. He told the tale of watching the car drive away or, rather, about being unable to because he was so sad.
And this is where Jalopnik readers come in. After first hearing about the search on television, the Slones of Indiana found our original story and the details sounded familiar so they reached out to us on our Facebook page where our Commenter admin Al Navarro noticed it.
Their story of a young man selling his car, unable to watch it go, instantly struck me as familiar to what John himself had told me in the car. After confirming some details it was clear this was the car so we contacted Papa John's people and let them know.
Sadly for the Slones, they'd sold the car to Jeff Robinson of Flatwoods, Kentucky. Fortunately for them, John has extended an offer of a finder's fee of $25,000 to the family for helping out with the tip. And fortunately for everyone, Jeff considered building a more tame street version of his Z28 so he kept many of the original parts, which helped them identify the car.
So how did the car go so long without being found? There are two reasons. First, the original sale occurred just across the border in Indiana, where there was no electronic record kept of sales transactions at the time. Second, the car was not a 1972 as remembered by John, but actually a 1971½, which is why Robinson didn't believe the car was the right one at first.
And what condition was the car in when John eventually drove out to Flatwoods to pick it up yesterday? Fantastic condition. Jeff had seriously upgraded the motor for drag racing and it was now putting out 825 HP.
According to Robinson it's now "Probably the fastest pizza delivery car in the world, it runs a 9.55 quarter-mile at 141 MPH."
Despite the added power, newer hood and upgraded tires, the Schnatter family loves the car.
"Now there's a big old smile on my face, I like the car, I like the way it drives, it's fast," exclaimed Schnatter. "My wife's a redneck and she loves a muscle car. On one hand I want to put it back the way it was, and on the other hand i like the way he put it back together."
Though he's sad to part with it, Jeff Robinson made out okay.
"Jeff loved the car and he knows I'm going to take car of it and it'll take a special place in the hearts of the people at Papa John's," said John, adding "he was kind enough to sell it for $250,000."
Robinson isn't sure whether or not he'll build another Z28 of that era or try for something else. Either way, Papa John has promised to deliver the motor back if he decides to restore it to stock condition.
In the end, the story of a car that launched a global pizza empire has a happy ending not only for the young enthusiast who bravely parted with his dream car to pursue a different dream, but for another car enthusiast who was lucky enough to treat the car well. And really, isn't that what Jalopnik is all about?
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God forbid he actually absorbs the cost and makes a fraction less money than he does now, and all of his workers have health coverage.
That's why I hate fucking republicans, they would kill their mother rather than actually LOSE money,no matter how insignificant the sum... it's the ONLY thing that matters, foreign policy, domestic policy, religion, the environment...they could give a flying fuck....Just don't touch my fucking money.
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It sounds like an excuse for him to raise prices and lay off workers.
Bingo! Big fat giant corporations always want more to stabilize themselves and continue to dominate the market. To avoid any type of "bad" publicity, these corporations will find any scapegoat to make themselves look like the "good guy" in the public's view. Think about it, why does he only mention about raising pizza prices, or lay off workers? Why doesn't he talk about all the god damn tax exempts, he has up his sleeve. Why doesn't he talk about how much his net worth is. Why doesn't he talk about about spending hundred of millions for superbowl commercial rather than invest that into his employees? This my friend is greed of business and the ugly side behind the scenes of their operations!
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The guy who built a one off replica!
Those things are not cheap!
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Papa John's International Inc. said its net income for the second quarter, ended June 24, rose to $14.6 million, or 61 cents per share, diluted, from $12.1 million, or 47 cents per share, diluted, a year earlier.
They're making $50+ million a year in net income.
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Yuck to pizza chains :-X
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Looks like a nice gentleman.
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It's easy to guess that Dominos or Pizza Hut are behind this smear campaign. It may suck as pizza but blows Dominos and Pizza Hut out the water.
Over all nothing beats good fucking NY Pizza.
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"The story really begins in 1983, when Papa John Schnatter's father was on the verge of closing his tavern because of a bankruptcy. Faced with few choices, Papa John sold the only asset he had to his name: A Bumblebee-striped black-and-gold 1971½ Chevy Camaro Z28."
Love how people fail to mention this part. Guy took a huge risk and made it. Deserves every penny he makes.
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It's easy to guess that Dominos or Pizza Hut are behind this smear campaign. It may suck as pizza but blows Dominos and Pizza Hut out the water.
Over all nothing beats good fucking NY Pizza.
bain capital/mitt romney owns dominoes smart guy....
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Papa John's Obamacare Costs Are Far Less Than Price Of Free Pizza Giveaway
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/860981/thumbs/r-PAPA-JOHNS-OBAMACARE-large570.jpg?4)
News flash to Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter: Obamacare isn’t the only thing costing your business money.
The pizza chain head has made his views on the Affordable Care Act clear in recent months, claiming the new health care law will cost his business about $5 to $8 million per year. To compensate Schnatter's said he will likely raise pizza prices and cut back some workers’ hours so he doesn’t have to insure them.
Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.
And there are other changes the chain could make to save some money, Melby notes, like not giving away 2 million pizzas for free at a cost of between $24 and $32 million to the company, for example.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/)
Slight difference you commy puke... one is by choice and a marketing idea to generate future revenue... and one is being forced on them and will generate nothing but headaches... you guess which is which. I know for you libs facts are unimportant.
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Though you found out he uses horse semen or something nasty in his sauce. This story is boring. >:(
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who cares if he raises prices, does he have a monopoly on selling pizza or something?
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The solution sure does sound simple.
If it is indeed that simple, why doesn't Papa John simply increase the price slightly, get healthcare, and reap the positive whirlwind of publicity and goodwill?
Surely his current position is not a good business move (if the article is accurate).
Does anyone suspect there might be more to this story?
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Pizza parlor of Peace ::)
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he wouldn't have this problem if he didn't pay his taxes. He'd make alot more. He does have choices.
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Slight difference you commy puke... one is by choice and a marketing idea to generate future revenue... and one is being forced on them and will generate nothing but headaches... you guess which is which. I know for you libs facts are unimportant.
Agenda23
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Am I the only person who doesn't think that 14 cents a pizza is a huge deal?
Not to mention this the SAME guy WHO LIVES IN A CASTLE!!!!!!
Not a shitty LITTLE MANSION!!! A MOTHERFUCKING CASTLE!!!!
Fucker has a batcave and a moat!
(http://i.imgur.com/x2zm1.jpg)
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now I want to jack his car just because he is a dick.
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God forbid he actually absorbs the cost and makes a fraction less money than he does now, and all of his workers have health coverage.
That's why I hate fucking republicans, they would kill their mother rather than actually LOSE money,no matter how insignificant the sum... it's the ONLY thing that matters, foreign policy, domestic policy, religion, the environment...they could give a flying fuck....Just don't touch my fucking money.
i think you have nailed the problem with american society. actually, its human nature but when its within a framework that facilitates it, its a problem.
most countries have it set aside in taxes. take 14c an hour less but sure up your health coverage..hmmm..tough decision..
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Am I the only person who doesn't think that 14 cents a pizza is a huge deal?
Not to mention this the SAME guy WHO LIVES IN A CASTLE!!!!!!
Not a shitty LITTLE MANSION!!! A MOTHERFUCKING CASTLE!!!!
Fucker has a batcave and a moat!
(http://i.imgur.com/x2zm1.jpg)
14 cents is a huge deal and can psychologically affect people from ordering.
If he normally sells a Pizza for $10.99, people think, oh 10 bucks, they forget about the .99 as being a buck, but add 14 cents and it's $11.13. people will be like, 11 bucks????? fuck that, dominos has it for 10 bucks, plus 13 is bad luck, I ain't getting no bad luck trots from eating that.
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Am I the only person who doesn't think that 14 cents a pizza is a huge deal?
Not to mention this the SAME guy WHO LIVES IN A CASTLE!!!!!!
Not a shitty LITTLE MANSION!!! A MOTHERFUCKING CASTLE!!!!
Fucker has a batcave and a moat!
(http://i.imgur.com/x2zm1.jpg)
gh15 revealed !
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God forbid he actually absorbs the cost and makes a fraction less money than he does now, and all of his workers have health coverage.
That's why I hate fucking republicans, they would kill their mother rather than actually LOSE money,no matter how insignificant the sum... it's the ONLY thing that matters, foreign policy, domestic policy, religion, the environment...they could give a flying fuck....Just don't touch my fucking money.
It's not god forbidding him but the franchise owners and stock holders. You think if the profits drop that the stock doesn't drop and the cost of a franchise doesn't drop??? Do you know that the Cowboys owner Jerry Jones owns about 100 franchises of Papa Johns in texas
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Papa Johns, Dominos, Pizza Hut, Little Ceasers Blow!
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The solution sure does sound simple.
If it is indeed that simple, why doesn't Papa John simply increase the price slightly, get healthcare, and reap the positive whirlwind of publicity and goodwill?
Surely his current position is not a good business move (if the article is accurate).
Does anyone suspect there might be more to this story?
I think there is much more to this story than we are led to believe.
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It's not god forbidding him but the franchise owners and stock holders. You think if the profits drop that the stock doesn't drop and the cost of a franchise doesn't drop??? Do you know that the Cowboys owner Jerry Jones owns about 100 franchises of Papa Johns in texas
Agreed. Much more than what were told. Not to mention he's competing with Dominoes and Pizza Hut, who all have deals within the same price range. If he raises prices it may lead to a sharp decline in customers going for their "cheaper" competitors.
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Papa Johns, Dominos, Pizza Hut, Little Ceasers Blow!
depends....
stay up until 1 am, have some drinks, fuck a girl, smoke a big joint then order pizza from anyone of them and it tastes like nirvana
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I see we have some real business geniuses in this thread. Keeps costs down by volume, takes a portion of the profits to expand and create more jobs for people who need them. The bastard ::)
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14 cents is a huge deal and can psychologically affect people from ordering.
If he normally sells a Pizza for $10.99, people think, oh 10 bucks, they forget about the .99 as being a buck, but add 14 cents and it's $11.13. people will be like, 11 bucks????? fuck that, dominos has it for 10 bucks, plus 13 is bad luck, I ain't getting no bad luck trots from eating that.
you cant be that dumb can ya?
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you cant be that dumb can ya?
You realize that he has a point, right? Thats why they sell it for 10.99 and not 11.00. Its a mental thing for consumers.
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You realize that he has a point, right? Thats why they sell it for 10.99 and not 11.00. Its a mental thing for consumers.
Truly it's not going to be some huge thing.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, but people aren't going to go ordering from Dominos instead of Papa Johns over 14 cents man... Sorry... It's just not gonna happen.
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Truly it's not going to be some huge thing.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, but people aren't going to go ordering from Dominos instead of Papa Johns over 14 cents man... Sorry... It's just not gonna happen.
Not for us, but I know people that do that kind of dumb shit all the time.
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I see we have some real business geniuses in this thread. Keeps costs down by volume, takes a portion of the profits to expand and create more jobs for people who need them. The bastard ::)
yeah, and its ironic you are one of them.
lets explore it- supposing it has any cred at all.
14c from a 10.99 pizza. thats 1%. (ignoring the giveaways for now).
and 1% of a few million dollars?...the guy wouldnt even notice it. However having secure healthcare is a big deal for the non millionaires.
extrend it the other way..papa john gets really sick and loses his millions in medical fees..but survives.. now what?..if he'd put that 14c aside then he'd still have his millions (less 1%) AND survive.
this really is a dumb debate. the risk v benefit is obvious.
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Not for us, but I know people that do that kind of dumb shit all the time.
He's not the upscale consumer that the Papa needs anyway.
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Agreed. Much more than what were told. Not to mention he's competing with Dominoes and Pizza Hut, who all have deals within the same price range. If he raises prices it may lead to a sharp decline in customers going for their "cheaper" competitors.
I'm sure Domino's and Pizza hut are in the same boat with their employees, just they aren't stupid enough to whine about it publicly like this asshole
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I'm sure Domino's and Pizza hut are in the same boat with their employees, just they aren't stupid enough to whine about it publicly like this asshole
You're probably right on that one. But, I cannot imagine he would come out and say this for no reason. As someone else said, he may be pressured by the shareholders or something.
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He's not the upscale consumer that the Papa needs anyway.
Lolz. Touche' sir.
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I see we have some real business geniuses in this thread. Keeps costs down by volume, takes a portion of the profits to expand and create more jobs for people who need them. The bastard ::)
Creating jobs isn't his driving force, making money is....if he could automate his entire operation he would do it in a second.
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I'm sure Domino's and Pizza hut are in the same boat with their employees, just they aren't stupid enough to whine about it publicly like this asshole
Domino's takes care of its employees 8)
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Creating jobs isn't his driving force, making money is....if he could automate his entire operation he would do it in a second.
It goes hand In hand. What's wrong.with profit?If your company wasn't making a profit you wouldn't have a job. Don't sit there and tell me you wouldn't trade places with him because of his wealth....that he built!
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It goes hand In hand. What's wrong.with profit?If your company wasn't making a profit you wouldn't have a job. Don't sit there and tell me you wouldn't trade places with him because of his wealth....that he built!
he's a scumbag. And under this economic system, there's nothing wrong with making profit. But AS HUMANS when profit is put over the wellbeing of a human being or their family, it makes you a piece of shit as a human whether or not it's against the law.
There are many things that are lawful but frowned upon. This is just one more of those. It's the reason we're in the situation we are.
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It goes hand In hand. What's wrong.with profit?If your company wasn't making a profit you wouldn't have a job. Don't sit there and tell me you wouldn't trade places with him because of his wealth....that he built!
no one said he shouldn't make a profit. but heaven forbid he make's .5 % LESS of a profit and insures his workers without passing the buck to consumers. He will only have 18 luxury automobiles instead of 19..poor bastard
He's a greedy fuck
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he's a scumbag. And under this economic system, there's nothing wrong with making profit. But AS HUMANS when profit is put over the wellbeing of a human being or their family, it makes you a piece of shit as a human whether or not it's against the law.
There are many things that are lawful but frowned upon. This is just one more of those. It's the reason we're in the situation we are.
This
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no one said he shouldn't make a profit. but heaven forbid he make's .5 % LESS of a profit and insures his workers without passing the buck to consumers. He will only have 18 luxury automobiles instead of 19..poor bastard
He's a greedy fuck
Bullshit, its not a matter of greed, its a matter of principles of not being told what he can and can't do when it comes to healthcare. It's a shit system and a proven failureand anyone who has a business is doing the same thing. You want to conform, then be my guest.
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some one needs to tell joe " child molesting midget" marino , that we live in a so-ci-et-y , not a me-me-me-me
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They're just pissed because they are one of the few businesses with the balls to actually lay out that Obamacare is going to cost everyone $. Just about every other business in the same boat will do the same thing, just not all will announce it. Just about any decent job out there already offers/offered some health insurance. When I worked at a pizza joint back in high school, I sure didn't expect any health insurance. I knew that I had to have a decent job for that.
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Bullshit, its not a matter of greed, its a matter of principles of not being told what he can and can't do when it comes to healthcare. It's a shit system and a proven failureand anyone who has a business is doing the same thing. You want to conform, then be my guest.
I'm not going to get into a political debate with you.
I like you, you're old school like me, but I would have a more intellectual discussion with a tennis ball when it comes to politics
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They're just pissed because they are one of the few businesses with the balls to actually lay out that Obamacare is going to cost everyone $. Just about every other business in the same boat will do the same thing, just not all will announce it. Just about any decent job out there already offers/offered some health insurance. When I worked at a pizza joint back in high school, I sure didn't expect any health insurance. I knew that I had to have a decent job for that.
every one has accesses to the roads but god forbid "every one" has health care ::)
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you cant be that dumb can ya?
Listen retard. Do you think he became a billionaire by throwing away a single penny? To you .14 cents is nothing, but times that by millions and millions over years and years and it is something. Rich people don't become rich by giving away a single penny.
The fact this is a story in the first place is because his competition are throwing some dirt his way.
but the story about free pizza. Are they that fucking dumb? he isn't losing a single penny on that give away. It is marketing money that comes out of the marketing budget.
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Creating jobs isn't his driving force, making money is....if he could automate his entire operation he would do it in a second.
Damn right, the business only exists because we as a country are too lazy to provide ourselves dinner....or even drive to get it, haha.
Remember back in the 80s when Dominos went from Chevettes as company owned delivery vehicles to private vehicles? That was due to the cost to insure. The government will make things less efficient.
And another issue....I've got lots of musician friends that still deliver pizza. Try insuring that lot for a reasonable rate.....wow.
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I'm not going to get into a political debate with you.
I like you, you're old school like me, but I would have a more intellectual discussion with a tennis ball when it comes to politics
I do.t consider this political.
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some one needs to tell joe " child molesting midget" marino , that we live in a so-ci-et-y , not a me-me-me-me
Kiss your account goodby...again. little FUCKING pussy . Tu going to follow me to another board?
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This Papa John's scumbag is being sued for 250million dollars for taking people's phone number and spamming the fukc out of them on their cell phones and shit. The harassing bastard belongs in prison. But of course he'll blame it all on some rogue employees or some shit.
PAPA JOHN'S BEING SUED 250 MILLION DOLLARS
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/papa-john-s-faces--250-million-spam-lawsuit.html?l=1
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no one said he shouldn't make a profit. but heaven forbid he make's .5 % LESS of a profit and insures his workers without passing the buck to consumers. He will only have 18 luxury automobiles instead of 19..poor bastard
He's a greedy fuck
This^^^It's a sickness for these sociopaths like "Papa John"...They can never have enough wealth. If he could, he would have his Pizza made in China for pennies and ship it here.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/papa-john-s-faces--250-million-spam-lawsuit.html?l=1
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Kiss your account goodby...again. little FUCKING pussy . Tu going to follow me to another board?
o the irony ::) you where supposed to delete your account , im going to have a talk with ron about having your report to mod button removed ;D
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How much money is too much exactly? Should there be a limit and you are not allowed to make any more than that? I don't care if he has 200 cars and lives in a sold gold house with 100 naked hookers at his call 24/7. It's his money, he can spend it however he wants.
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o the irony ::) you where supposed to delete your account , im going to have a talk with ron about having your report to mod button removed ;D
I don't hit the mod button
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I don't hit the mod button
::) BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLL SHIT !
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How much money is too much exactly? Should there be a limit and you are not allowed to make any more than that? I don't care if he has 200 cars and lives in a sold gold house with 100 naked hookers at his call 24/7. It's his money, he can spend it however he wants.
Neither do I, he can have 80 fucking trillion dollars, the point is he is a piece of shit, and won't give up a red cent of it to insure his workers....he's saying he will pass the cost to consumers
Not everyone is born with a business mind, or comes from money..there are a lot more "regular people" than there are gazillionaires. and they deserve to have a decent life too, and not walk around with rotting teeth and die 20 years earlier from the infection because they don't have dental because there boss is a cheap fuck and won't pay for it
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How much money is too much exactly? Should there be a limit and you are not allowed to make any more than that? I don't care if he has 200 cars and lives in a sold gold house with 100 naked hookers at his call 24/7. It's his money, he can spend it however he wants.
When you're filthy rich and you decide to make the decision to cell phone bomb in the middle of the night tons of people with super deals on shitty Pizza because you want even more money, maybe you should call it a day. This is the shit start ups should be caught doing.
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so the guy has 3,000 pizzarias and the buisness nets 50,000million a year
so is all that 50,000 milion a year going to him i doubt it
they make great pizza and breadsticks are out of this world, none of you shmucks here can replicate the breadsticks they are so freaking good
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Nasty ass pizza
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Neither do I, he can have 80 fucking trillion dollars, the point is he is a piece of shit, and won't give up a red cent of it to insure his workers....he's saying he will pass the cost to consumers
Not everyone is born with a business mind, or comes from money..there are a lot more "regular people" than there are gazillionaires. and they deserve to have a decent life too, and not walk around with rotting teeth and die 20 years earlier from the infection because they don't have dental because there boss is a cheap fuck and won't pay for it
Exactly.
Papa John is scum. I think he will be in over his ass from this debacle and he deserves all of it.
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they make great pizza and breadsticks are out of this world, none of you shmucks here can replicate the breadsticks they are so freaking good
Supposedly his secret ingredient is adding heme-iron to his bread sticks ;D
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so the guy has 3,000 pizzarias and the buisness nets 50,000million a year
so is all that 50,000 milion a year going to him i doubt it
they make great pizza and breadsticks are out of this world, none of you shmucks here can replicate the breadsticks they are so freaking good
you should lay off those bread sticks for a while fatso
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he's a scumbag. And under this economic system, there's nothing wrong with making profit. But AS HUMANS when profit is put over the wellbeing of a human being or their family, it makes you a piece of shit as a human whether or not it's against the law.
There are many things that are lawful but frowned upon. This is just one more of those. It's the reason we're in the situation we are.
Great post, wiggs. While I support his right to make as much profit as possible even at the expense of others, that doesn't mean he isn't a scumbag as a human. That being said, there are plenty of poor people who are equally miserable humans who made choices that put them in the predicament they are in. In the end, not sure one side is more morally culpbable than the other.
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so the guy has 3,000 pizzarias and the buisness nets 50,000million a year
so is all that 50,000 milion a year going to him i doubt it
they make great pizza and breadsticks are out of this world, none of you shmucks here can replicate the breadsticks they are so freaking good
Their pizza sucks. Big time.
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Their pizza sucks. Big time.
shit man i think they are great i guess i dont know what good is
there breadsticks are unbeleivably good too better than the pizza
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He already provides lots of folks a job. Now he has to give them healthcare??
If you don't like a company's politics...shop somewhere else...it's called freedom.
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Neither do I, he can have 80 fucking trillion dollars, the point is he is a piece of shit, and won't give up a red cent of it to insure his workers....he's saying he will pass the cost to consumers
Not everyone is born with a business mind, or comes from money..there are a lot more "regular people" than there are gazillionaires. and they deserve to have a decent life too, and not walk around with rotting teeth and die 20 years earlier from the infection because they don't have dental because there boss is a cheap fuck and won't pay for it
Why is it his problem to insure anyone? They are all hourly employees. I am pretty sure that everyone that works at Papa Johns headquarters get insurance. Remember that his stores are franchises. it is the franchise owners issue with giving insurance, not him.
The IT team, the execs, the staff at the shiny PJ's building do get insured.
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Why is it his problem to insure anyone? They are all hourly employees. I am pretty sure that everyone that works at Papa Johns headquarters get insurance. Remember that his stores are franchises. it is the franchise owners issue with giving insurance, not him.
The IT team, the execs, the staff at the shiny PJ's building do get insured.
Then why is he the one complaining?, unless he doesn't want to pay for the shiny building people to be insured
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Then why is he the one complaining?, unless he doesn't want to pay for the shiny building people to be insured
He's complaining because Obama's plan is making him pay
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He's complaining because Obama's plan is making him pay
exactly.
and he has publicly stated that he will NOT pay, he will pass the cost onto his customers.
scumbag, should be killed. Should have his head chopped off and put into a pizza oven
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exactly.
and he has publicly stated that he will NOT pay, he will pass the cost onto his customers.
scumbag, should be killed. Should have his head chopped off and put into a pizza oven
;D
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exactly.
and he has publicly stated that he will NOT pay, he will pass the cost onto his customers.
scumbag, should be killed. Should have his head chopped off and put into a pizza oven
He's being honest. Every business I can think off passes the costs to consumers, this is nothing new. That's what they all do. Is it right? That's debatable, but it's what business' do.
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He already provides lots of folks a job. Now he has to give them healthcare??
If you don't like a company's politics...shop somewhere else...it's called freedom.
bingo adding this health plan shit is just more paper work bullshit
give the papa johns fella a break
how bout the government just pay for our health care since they take 30 percent of our tax money anyways lol
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Those are the worst pizza pies I've ever tasted.
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Bullshit. I'm not counting mom and pop places.
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God forbid he actually absorbs the cost and makes a fraction less money than he does now, and all of his workers have health coverage.
That's why I hate fucking republicans, they would kill their mother rather than actually LOSE money,no matter how insignificant the sum... it's the ONLY thing that matters, foreign policy, domestic policy, religion, the environment...they could give a flying fuck....Just don't touch my fucking money.
It's not the cost, it's the principle behind it.
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his workers could afford health care if gas was cheaper
making gas cheaper would make food cheaper and everything else
the solution is quite easy
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Not everyone is born with a business mind, or comes from money..there are a lot more "regular people" than there are gazillionaires. and they deserve to have a decent life too, and not walk around with rotting teeth and die 20 years earlier from the infection because they don't have dental because there boss is a cheap fuck and won't pay for it
You're absolutely right, we should voluntarily help each other as much as we can. It's wrong to make it law, though.
Give to charity, like Shriners Hospital.
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You're absolutely right, we should voluntarily help each other as much as we can. It's wrong to make it law, though.
Give to charity, like Shriners Hospital.
These are just broad opinions, I don't profess to have the answers, nobody does.....
this country is fucked up in so many ways, politicians should just be honest and say "fuck, i don't even know where to start."
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Though you found out he uses horse semen or something nasty in his sauce. This story is boring. >:(
that's nothing new
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Papa John's is just going to have to adapt. One thing they can do is create a more innovative product line ala their hated competitor Dominos:
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Papa John's is just going to have to adapt. One thing they can do is create a more innovative product line ala their hated competitor Dominos:
Adapt to what? Something that very few wanted but was passed while repubs were.on.recess without a vote? 30mil people that don't have hc but the remainder of the 300m have to cover their asses?
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Adapt to what? Something that very few wanted but was passed while repubs were.on.recess without a vote? 30mil people that don't have hc but the remainder of the 300m have to cover their asses?
You missed the joke Joe. Its a video mocking Dominoes and the people that eat it.
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how arrogant and stupid do you have to be to be gifted and blessed and then turn around and say "i deserve it" and take it for granted?
giving out of abundance is easy, insure the damn workers.
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Here's something you dumbocrat libtards just don't get... it's his fucking company and his fucking 14 cents. No one gives even the slightest fuck what you think he should do with his money. And the commie in chief shouldn't have a say either. Don't work for him or don't buy his fucking pizza you asshats. Then start your own pizza business and split your profit 50/50 with your workers. How's that sound? Bad I know it's easier to sit on your lazy asses and say how other people should spend thier own money. Lazy leech stupid mother fuckers I swear.
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Here's something you dumbocrat libtards just don't get... it's his fucking company and his fucking 14 cents. No one gives even the slightest fuck what you think he should do with his money. And the commie in chief shouldn't have a say either. Don't work for him or don't buy his fucking pizza you asshats. Then start your own pizza business and split your profit 50/50 with your workers. How's that sound? Bad I know it's easier to sit on your lazy asses and say how other people should spend thier own money. Lazy leech stupid mother fuckers I swear.
High Five Nick! 8)
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I like their pizza better than any of the big delivery chains. Don't understand the hate.
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Here's something you dumbocrat libtards just don't get... it's his fucking company and his fucking 14 cents. No one gives even the slightest fuck what you think he should do with his money. And the commie in chief shouldn't have a say either. Don't work for him or don't buy his fucking pizza you asshats. Then start your own pizza business and split your profit 50/50 with your workers. How's that sound? Bad I know it's easier to sit on your lazy asses and say how other people should spend thier own money. Lazy leech stupid mother fuckers I swear.
Yes, But HIS company and HIS fucking 14 cents, are on American soil. And we are doing things a little differently these days....so shut the fuck up and pay the money, cheap asshole
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I like their pizza. Trust me, where I'm from in the UK you have to rely on decent chains or a trustworthy italian restaurant to get a good slice.
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Yes, But HIS company and HIS fucking 14 cents, are on American soil. And we are doing things a little differently these days....so shut the fuck up and pay the money, cheap asshole
And that's why you're going to start seeing people cheat on their taxes more and more. It's still HIS company.
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And that's why you're going to start seeing people cheat on their taxes more and more. It's still HIS company.
LOL, ..typical, and goes to what I originally said......anything but actually pay the money
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And that's why you're going to start seeing people cheat on their taxes more and more. It's still HIS company.
You must live on fantasy island. "Cheating on taxes" theres a new one..lmao. If any of u retard repubs would look into it, youll see that the company can recieve tax subsidies to pay for it....you know like the OIL companies do!!
Then on top of that it is a deduction for the business!!! which lowers its taxes due every quarter.
Then on top of that it keeps millions out of the E.R and sticking taxpayers with the bill.
You dumbasses complain about leeches and then when they start personal responsibilty buy getting insurance...you bitches complain about that too.
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I can't stop laughing reading all these posts of socialists whining about "poor employees" getting "no insurance".
If you don't like something about your job - insurance, salary, whatever - change it. You can't because you're uneducated dumb fuck? Well sir, it's your fucking problem.
It's NONE of your business what he does with HIS money. It's HIS money, not yours. He's a fucking businessman, not some monk from charity. If you envy him then go open your own company. Oh shit, he lives in a fucking castle... So what? Take it from him because he's got too much?
It's your life and it's up to YOU what you will do with it. You're the only person who is responsible for it. If you expect Papa John or anyone to pay for your health insurance then you're a fucking idiot.
In capitalism, you get as much as you deserve according to free market. Therefore everyone is MOTIVATED to do more or they simply become poor and die because of their poverty. This way we create stronger society with better gene pool. Natural selection at its best. Communism/socialism creates society of dumb, lazy and whiny bitches like you who think they can get everything for free.
Just take a look at what 50 years of communism did to Poland.
Sierpinski, Banach, Steinhaus, Lem, Herbert vs ... no one?
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Heres a link directly answering your questions form the whitehouse.
Is business required to provide health insurance? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obamacare is a personal mandate.....do you understand the difference between personal and business??? Exchanges are being setup to increase competitivness on the market which will drive down prices so regular people can afford a policy.........Good gawd.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/small-business
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LOL, ..typical, and goes to what I originally said......anything but actually pay the money
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Please, this is exactly what's going.to happen regardless if your a.lib or a repub. He claims hewants to grow the economy, if that's the case you let people keep as much as possible so they can spend and put back to the economy. Hell no people don't want to pay more, not and not you. Don't kid yourself. That goes for anyone in this thread trying to argue the point. Do you see what's happening in California???
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God forbid he actually absorbs the cost and makes a fraction less money than he does now, and all of his workers have health coverage.
That's why I hate fucking republicans, they would kill their mother rather than actually LOSE money,no matter how insignificant the sum... it's the ONLY thing that matters, foreign policy, domestic policy, religion, the environment...they could give a flying fuck....Just don't touch my fucking money.
And why do people like you think you're entitled to someone else's money?
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Yes, But HIS company and HIS fucking 14 cents, are on American soil. And we are doing things a little differently these days....so shut the fuck up and pay the money, cheap asshole
It's all fine and dandy when it's someone else's money. But, wait until YOU get your paycheck bilked for something you don't want. Then, we'll see if you simply "shut the f(@# up and pay the money".
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It's all fine and dandy when it's someone else's money. But, wait until YOU get your paycheck bilked for something you don't want. Then, we'll see if you simply "shut the f(@# up and pay the money".
HAHA!!!
We already do!!! It's called taxes.
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I don't have a car. Papa John is rich. Can he buy me a car?
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Heres a link directly answering your questions form the whitehouse.
Is business required to provide health insurance? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obamacare is a personal mandate.....do you understand the difference between personal and business??? Exchanges are being setup to increase competitivness on the market which will drive down prices so regular people can afford a policy.........Good gawd.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/small-business
Since this link was written during this administration, I find anything they say hard to believe.
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I don't have a car. Papa John is rich. Can he buy me a car?
He's an asshole who should be murdered if he doesn't
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Yes, But HIS company and HIS fucking 14 cents, are on American soil. And we are doing things a little differently these days....so shut the fuck up and pay the money, cheap asshole
You made my point you dumb shit... It's his choice to do business here... It's my choice to buy his Shit pizza or not... Not btw. It's his choice to offer benefits or not, and workers choice to work there or not. It's not a choice to be forced to give benefits for making fucking pizza. But it will be his choice to move his company elsewhere and harm the economy even more. It's unreal how fucking dumb people are and can't see the difference between choice and being forced to do something.
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You made my point you dumb shit... It's his choice to do business here... It's my choice to buy his Shit pizza or not... Not btw. It's his choice to offer benefits or not, and workers choice to work there or not. It's not a choice to be forced to give benefits for making fucking pizza. But it will be his choice to move his company elsewhere and harm the economy even more. It's unreal how fucking dumb people are and can't see the difference between choice and being forced to do something.
You think he will move his Pizza company somewhere else?
If I were the Pres and people moved, I'd ban them from doing anything in the US... Fuck them.
See how much money you get to make when you don't have a group of fat ass Americans buying your fucking shit pizza.
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You think he will move his Pizza company somewhere else?
If I were the Pres and people moved, I'd ban them from doing anything in the US... Fuck them.
See how much money you get to make when you don't have a group of fat ass Americans buying your fucking shit pizza.
Why do think any company would choose to leave the US? Because at some point all this shit does make it more profitable to business elsewhere. I know it's shocking to the libtards... But businesses exist to make profits not to fund the leech society. I am not a business owner... but I work my ass off and will make 6 figures this year for the first time ever because of OT I spent away from my family... The amount of taxes I am paying makes me ill... even I don't want to pay for all these leeches benefits. I am a union worker too so fuck off to all you dicks before you try and box me in with labels.
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Why do think any company would choose to leave the US? Because at some point all this shit does make it more profitable to business elsewhere. I know it's shocking to the libtards... But businesses exist to make profits not to fund the leech society. I am not a business owner... but I work my ass off and will make 6 figures this year for the first time ever because of OT I spent away from my family... The amount of taxes I am paying makes me ill... even I don't want to pay for all these leeches benefits. I am a union worker too so fuck off to all you dicks before you try and box me in with labels.
What the fuck were you trying to convey here?
I mean, I get you're all making bank bro... That's great... You don't like paying taxes... Join the club, but what are you saying about the company leaving the US?
You're saying it will happen?
HAH!!! No one in the rest of the world has the infrastructure to support his business along with a desire to buy his crap pizza... That business would ONLY be a success in the US like it is.
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What the fuck were you trying to convey here?
I mean, I get you're all making bank bro... That's great... You don't like paying taxes... Join the club, but what are you saying about the company leaving the US?
You're saying it will happen?
HAH!!! No one in the rest of the world has the infrastructure to support his business along with a desire to buy his crap pizza... That business would ONLY be a success in the US like it is.
If he chose to leave and failed then so be it... Answer this though please. How the hell would help the US economy at all? That's my point... The type of business is irrelevant. This shitfest package will chase businesses out. This one specifically who knows.
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And it starts. Smearing the job creators. Calling them greedy and scum. This country is fucked. Enjoy the freefall morons. Glad my family made money in this country when it wasn't frowned upon.
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I can't stop laughing reading all these posts of socialists whining about "poor employees" getting "no insurance".
If you don't like something about your job - insurance, salary, whatever - change it. You can't because you're uneducated dumb fuck? Well sir, it's your fucking problem.
It's NONE of your business what he does with HIS money. It's HIS money, not yours. He's a fucking businessman, not some monk from charity. If you envy him then go open your own company. Oh shit, he lives in a fucking castle... So what? Take it from him because he's got too much?
It's your life and it's up to YOU what you will do with it. You're the only person who is responsible for it. If you expect Papa John or anyone to pay for your health insurance then you're a fucking idiot.
In capitalism, you get as much as you deserve according to free market. Therefore everyone is MOTIVATED to do more or they simply become poor and die because of their poverty. This way we create stronger society with better gene pool. Natural selection at its best. Communism/socialism creates society of dumb, lazy and whiny bitches like you who think they can get everything for free.
Just take a look at what 50 years of communism did to Poland.
Sierpinski, Banach, Steinhaus, Lem, Herbert vs ... no one?
Highlighted for Mother Fucking Truth
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If he chose to leave and failed then so be it... Answer this though please. How the hell would help the US economy at all? That's my point... The type of business is irrelevant. This shitfest package will chase businesses out. This one specifically who knows.
I'm not saying it would help... There would be job losses and what not of course.
BUT....
Dominos would expand like a guy... So eventually, we would reclaim those losses with Dominos taking over.
It would hurt his business just as much if not MORE to leave is all I'm saying.
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It's not their money anymore...it's the government's money. That's where you people lose the plot
and i don't want anyone's money, i have no need for gov't assistance....but not everyone who does is a fucking degenerate loser.
There are plenty of people who had good jobs, until they were shipped to Mexico or India, because corporate America could make more profit that way.
So now some normal blue-collar (or white-collar) dude who was making a good living, who has two kids and a mortgage, has to take two shit jobs to barely make ends meet, because he can't just "go back to school and get a new skill set" because he has a family to support.
So he does what he has to do for his family...and he gets trapped in a fucked up situation which would require a herculean effort, (and financial assistance) to extract himself from. There are thousands of college grads working in factories right now..and the kicker is if you actually TRY and dig yourself out of the hole...They cut your assistance, because you "make too much money". 1300 dollars a month is "too much money" according to the gov't....LOLOL
and the "trickle down" plays out like this.....yes there ARE two shit jobs available for him to work, and have a crappy life, because the rich fucks need their car washed and their hedges trimmed...and the money they are spending on these services, is money that USED to go into this guys pocket before they took his job away and gave it to someone in Mexico for a fraction of the salary. they are just pocketing the difference, and he doesn't make nearly what he used to.
It's a beautiful symmetry, if you are the guy on top..if you are on the shit end, you aren't loving it so much though, You have had your livelihood taken away for no good reason.
he used to be IN , now he's out...because someone higher up the corporate ladder was crunching numbers and said.."Oh Biff, Winston.....I've created these 14 spreadsheets demonstrating how we can generate 1.3 % more profit if we dissolve this branch and outsource those services overseas...everyone is doing it, we don't want to fall behind the curve. This is a game-changer gentlemen...We need to think outside the box, be pro-active and hit the ground running. It's mission- critical that we wrap our heads around this paradigm shift and embrace this initiative and achieve synergy, it's a win-win with a significant ROI " .
Champagne was popped, hookers were fucked....and not a single fuck was given that you just put 1500 people, "colleagues" as it were..out of work, for 1.3 % more profit
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Why do think any company would choose to leave the US? Because at some point all this shit does make it more profitable to business elsewhere. I know it's shocking to the libtards... But businesses exist to make profits not to fund the leech society. I am not a business owner... but I work my ass off and will make 6 figures this year for the first time ever because of OT I spent away from my family... The amount of taxes I am paying makes me ill... even I don't want to pay for all these leeches benefits. I am a union worker too so fuck off to all you dicks before you try and box me in with labels.
And yet you like to throw them out yourself. The blindspot on your car must be gigantic.
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And it starts. Smearing the job creators. Calling them greedy and scum. This country is fucked. Enjoy the freefall morons. Glad my family made money in this country when it wasn't frowned upon.
When the government took over 500,000,000 shares of GM, I think the jig was up bro. How many of these Job creators sold out America by moving their business out of the country? Patriotism is mental illness when the leaders of your tribe don't believe in it.
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When the government took over 500,000,000 shares of GM, I think the jig was up bro. How many of these Job creators sold out America by moving their business out of the country? Patriotism if mental illness.
Valid question... Everyone said, "Hey... let's make some extra bucks and lay some people off to send their jobs overseas to do it."
So if they are now having to pay a little more to keep their profits up, then I guess that's just the way it works sometimes.
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Heres a link directly answering your questions form the whitehouse.
Is business required to provide health insurance? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obamacare is a personal mandate.....do you understand the difference between personal and business??? Exchanges are being setup to increase competitivness on the market which will drive down prices so regular people can afford a policy.........Good gawd.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/small-business
You dumbasses are arguing for nothing. Its NOT REQUIRED FOR BUSINESS'S TO OFFER HEALTHCARE. aND IF THEY CHOOSE TO THEN THEY RECIEVE A SUBSIDY TO DO IT. aND IF THEY DONT THEN THEY GET A TAX WRITEOFF FOR THE COST WHICH LOWERS THEIR TAXABLE DUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!READ ABOVE LINK AND STHU
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It's not their money anymore...it's the government's money. That's where you people lose the plot
and i don't want anyone's money, i have no need for gov't assistance....but not everyone who does is a fucking degenerate loser.
There are plenty of people who had good jobs, until they were shipped to Mexico or India, because corporate America could make more profit that way.
So now some normal blue-collar (or white-collar) dude who was making a good living, who has two kids and a mortgage, has to take two shit jobs to barely make ends meet, because he can't just "go back to school and get a new skill set" because he has a family to support.
So he does what he has to do for his family...and he gets trapped in a fucked up situation which would require a herculean effort, (and financial assistance) to extract himself from. There are thousands of college grads working in factories right now..and the kicker is if you actually TRY and dig yourself out of the hole...They cut your assistance, because you "make too much money". 1300 dollars a month is "too much money" according to the gov't....LOLOL
and the "trickle down" plays out like this.....yes there ARE two shit jobs available for him to work, and have a crappy life, because the rich fucks need their car washed and their hedges trimmed...and the money they are spending on these services, is money that USED to go into this guys pocket before they took his job away and gave it to someone in Mexico for a fraction of the salary. they are just pocketing the difference, and he doesn't make nearly what he used to.
It's a beautiful symmetry, if you are the guy on top..if you are on the shit end, you aren't loving it so much though, You have had your livelihood taken away for no good reason.
he used to be IN , now he's out...because someone higher up the corporate ladder was crunching numbers and said.."Oh Biff, Winston.....I've created these 14 spreadsheets demonstrating how we can generate 1.3 % more profit if we dissolve this branch and outsource those services overseas...everyone is doing it, we don't want to fall behind the curve. This is a game-changer gentlemen...We need to think outside the box, be pro-active and hit the ground running. It's mission- critical that we wrap our heads around this paradigm shift and embrace this initiative and achieve synergy, it's a win-win with a significant ROI " .
Champagne was popped, hookers were fucked....and not a single fuck was given that you just put 1500 people, "colleagues" as it were..out of work, for 1.3 % more profit
What a sad, touching story... Still, you don't get a point.
Problem is, many people see having family or kids as their right when it is not - it is a privilege. If you want to be free to choose then you have to be responsible for your decisions. In my case, I have to take into equation fact that in 10 years time I may not be as smart as I am right now and if somehow my career goes to shit without savings I may end up selling fries in McDonalds. I am well aware that after many years of focusing on just small area and being specialist in something that only one company really needs you won't be likely to get another job anywhere. You have to take things like that into the account. If you want stability then choose a job that gives you high propability of employment later in the future regardless of global or local crisis - like MD doctor or lawyer.
Family is nothing different than buying new car, or new house. If you know that you can't afford it, don't buy it. It is nothing more than a product intended to make you happy. If poor understood this any country would prosper so much better. More kids from higher circles means better gene pool. Socialists seem to deny tough reality of this world. Life is not a fucking disney land. It is survival of the fittest, it always was and always will be. Denial of the reality won't make it any different.
Modern world is in so much denial about reality that it's pretty hillarious actually. Let's take mating as an example. If a girl dates a guy just because he is rich and powerful she is considered a whore. Yet when she dates a guy because he is tall or muscular or both then it's OK. When you think about it, it's all the same. The latter criteria are just atavistic - they represent what was required to survive few thousands years ago. Now they are completely irrelevant. This sentiment to the "old reality" is really pathetic. It is not in our "genes" as some may suggest - it is a matter of fashion. Big, fat women used to be considered attractive because people perceived them as strong and likely to survive giving birth. Now it's exactly the opposite.
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What a sad, touching story... Still, you don't get a point.
Problem is, many people see having family or kids as their right when it is not - it is a privilege. If you want to be free to choose then you have to be responsible for your decisions. In my case, I have to take into equation fact that in 10 years time I may not be as smart as I am right now and if somehow my career goes to shit without savings I may end up selling fries in McDonalds. I am well aware that after many years of focusing on just small area and being specialist in something that only one company really needs you won't be likely to get another job anywhere. You have to take things like that into the account. If you want stability then choose a job that gives you high propability of employment later in the future regardless of global or local crisis - like MD doctor or lawyer.
Family is nothing different than buying new car, or new house. If you know that you can't afford it, don't buy it. It is nothing more than a product intended to make you happy. If poor understood this any country would prosper so much better. More kids from higher circles means better gene pool. Socialists seem to deny tough reality of this world. Life is not a fucking disney land. It is survival of the fittest, it always was and always will be. Denial of the reality won't make it any different.
LOL...you are obviously an idiot, and an idealistic one at that. So the only people who should take the plunge and have a family are doctors and lawyers? Hahaahahaaaa
let me know when you want to have a discussion that involves the planet Earth, and not the alternate reality your mind inhabits
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What a sad, touching story... Still, you don't get a point.
Problem is, many people see having family or kids as their right when it is not - it is a privilege. If you want to be free to choose then you have to be responsible for your decisions. In my case, I have to take into equation fact that in 10 years time I may not be as smart as I am right now and if somehow my career goes to shit without savings I may end up selling fries in McDonalds. I am well aware that after many years of focusing on just small area and being specialist in something that only one company really needs you won't be likely to get another job anywhere. You have to take things like that into the account. If you want stability then choose a job that gives you high propability of employment later in the future regardless of global or local crisis - like MD doctor or lawyer.
Family is nothing different than buying new car, or new house. If you know that you can't afford it, don't buy it. It is nothing more than a product intended to make you happy. If poor understood this any country would prosper so much better. More kids from higher circles means better gene pool. Socialists seem to deny tough reality of this world. Life is not a fucking disney land. It is survival of the fittest, it always was and always will be. Denial of the reality won't make it any different.
This guy gets it... ^^^
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Asking people to be adults is too much these days.
Maybe we should all just accept the fact that we need to be treated like irresponsible children. Government will save us.
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Groins I didn't realize you we're this dumb... TA maybe saying this crap... Benny D... but please point out in my post where I said don't help someone who really needs it. I said leeches... for every one of the guys you said... who I'm for helping btw... there are 1500 asshats cheering 3 years to sit on thier asses collecting unemployment while we take 14 more cents from some rich guy.
My point was about the gov or libtards thinking they have any say in how this guy spends his money. You used to go to your neighbors for help... now you would tell your neighbor to fuck off cause it would cost you money to help feed them... but it's ok for them to get fed on other people's tax dime. So sad.
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I'll give you a good example of how things worked in regards to charity over forced charity aka more taxes...
You have ten bucks in your pocket and 500 in your sock...
One guy comes to you asking for money to feed his kids...you will dip into your 500 stash to help the guy out.
One guy sticks a gun in your side and asks for money... you give him the ten bucks in your pocket and say that's all you got.
I'll let you Sherlock Homleys figure out how that equates to our current situation, tax evasion, and leeches.
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LOL...you are obviously an idiot, and an idealistic one at that. So the only people who should take the plunge and have a family are doctors and lawyers? Hahaahahaaaa
let me know when you want to have a discussion that involves the planet Earth, and not the alternate reality your mind inhabits
Yes, allowing the poor to have kids and actually paying them for that like Polish government does - very realistic. Final result is that the poor dumb fucks have 10 kids and country has to pay for them. Because of their malnutrition and lack of proper enviroment they end up just as poor and as dumb as their parents, just 10 dumb fucks instead of two. At the same time smart people who understand reality have 2 to 3 kids.
At the same time we have more and more Arabs who come here just because, for example, Danish government pays them for breathing, eating, having kids, having fucking more kids, everything.
The end result is that one Danish city has cancelled Xmass this year because muslims got majority in its local board. Danish people are too dumb to protest or do anything about that.
If more people see what I wrote as "unrealistic pipe dream" then I see "great" future for all of us ;D
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Yes, allowing the poor to have kids and actually paying them for that like Polish government does - very realistic. Final result is that the poor dumb fucks have 10 kids and country has to pay for them. Because of their malnutrition and lack of proper enviroment they end up just as poor and as dumb as their parents, just 10 dumb fucks instead of two. At the same time smart people who understand reality have 2 to 3 kids.
At the same time we have more and more Arabs who come here just because, for example, Danish government pays them for breathing, eating, having kids, having fucking more kids, everything.
The end result is that one Danish city has cancelled Xmass this year because muslims got majority in its local board. Danish people are too dumb to protest or do anything about that.
If more people see what I wrote as "unrealistic pipe dream" then I see "great" future for all of us ;D
who's talking about poor people?
According to you, only the elite should be allowed to have children...you live in a fantasy world, how old are you ......20?
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who's talking about poor people?
According to you, only the elite should be allowed to have children...you live in a fantasy world, how old are you ......20?
He's simply asking that people do some planing before they have children.
That's really not so far out.
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He's simply asking that people do some planing before they have children.
That's really not so far out.
No..he's saying that only those who have great jobs that are virtually 100% economy proof should be allowed to have children..it's patently ridiculous and has nothing to do with the real world
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He's simply asking that people do some planing before they have children.
That's really not so far out.
I am in fact asking that people do some planning before taking any action that may cost them money. I'm really glad that someone gets it tho.
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Papa must die! >:(
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Papa must die! >:(
These are a few of my favorite things....
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so the lessons here is Obama care will make things suck,
while leftist extremes claim it will suck to a lesser degree, all agrees it will suck regardless..
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Yes, allowing the poor to have kids and actually paying them for that like Polish government does - very realistic. Final result is that the poor dumb fucks have 10 kids and country has to pay for them. Because of their malnutrition and lack of proper enviroment they end up just as poor and as dumb as their parents, just 10 dumb fucks instead of two. At the same time smart people who understand reality have 2 to 3 kids.
At the same time we have more and more Arabs who come here just because, for example, Danish government pays them for breathing, eating, having kids, having fucking more kids, everything.
The end result is that one Danish city has cancelled Xmass this year because muslims got majority in its local board. Danish people are too dumb to protest or do anything about that.
If more people see what I wrote as "unrealistic pipe dream" then I see "great" future for all of us ;D
Asshats - another nail in the coffin.
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Yes, lets everyone surrender what we've earned to the government because they know best. lol. If "Obamacare" was so great then why are the originators of the program exempt?
Like I said, I saw this shit coming in 07' when this asshole was campaigning. When he was finally "elected" we Obama proofed our business. He can fuck himself. Truthfully, all of the lies from him and his administration and his cohorts will come to a head in his second term, and if the fucking media and repubs who sat of their asses and did nothing everytime he pulled his shit would just do something, he can be exposed and ran out of office. Fucker is an accessory to murder, people turn the other cheek and he get's elected by fraud. He's a joke not to be taken seriously.
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Yes, lets everyone surrender what we've earned to the government because they know best. lol. If "Obamacare" was so great then why are the originators of the program exempt?
Like I said, I saw this shit coming in 07' when this asshole was campaigning. When he was finally "elected" we Obama proofed our business. He can fuck himself. Truthfully, all of the lies from him and his administration and his cohorts will come to a head in his second term, and if the fucking media and repubs who sat of their asses and did nothing everytime he pulled his shit would just do something, he can be exposed and ran out of office. Fucker is an accessory to murder, people turn the other cheek and he get's elected by fraud. He's a joke not to be taken seriously.
I bet you did....."don't touch my fucking money!!!!!....everyone can go die before i part with a nickel!!!!!..............leeches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............aaaargh!!!!!!!!!"
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I bet you did....."don't touch my fucking money!!!!!....everyone can go die before i part with a nickel!!!!!..............leeches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............aaaargh!!!!!!!!!"
Groink are you implying the Coach had to endure years of taller kids stealing his carefully prepared lunch at school?
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How would someone "Obama proof" anything?
What did you specifically do to Obama proof your service, Joe?
No bullshit, I'm really interested.
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http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/11/14/Forbes-Papa-Johns-ACA-cost-5-cents/UPI-54101352940627/
Forbes: Papa John's ACA cost, 5 cents
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Papa John's Pizza CEO John Schnatter arrives at the 47th annual Academy of Country Music Awards at the MGM Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada on April 1, 2012. UPI/Jim Ruymen
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Published: Nov. 14, 2012 at 7:50 PM
NEW YORK, Nov. 14 (UPI) -- The head of Papa John's says it would cost 10-14 cents a pizza to buy health insurance for the chain's U.S. workers but a Forbes study says it would be 5 cents.
Papa John's International Chief Executive Officer John Schnatter -- a supporter of GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney and opponent of the Affordable Care Act -- said he estimated compliance with the healthcare reform law would cost his company about $5 to 8 million annually.
The company made $1.2 billion in revenue last yer, with total operating expenses of $1.131 billion and a gross profit of $87 million.
Using Schnatter's estimate that healthcare reform would cost his company $5 to 8 million more annually, Forbes magazine said providing healthcare translated into a .4 percent to .7 percent increase in the price of a pizza.
"For the sake of argument, let's say that Papa John's sells exactly half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86 percent price increase -- less than 1 percent -- well outside the range of what Schnatter said health insurance would cost," Forbes magazine said. "So how much would prices go up, under these 50/50 conditions of large and medium pizzas if they were to fairly reflect the increased cost of doing business onset by Obamacare? Roughly 3.4 to 4.6 cents a pie," about one-third of Schnatter's estimate, Forbes said.
Schnatter owns 6,094,409 shares, or nearly one fourth of Papa John's shares as part of a family limited partnership and had a compensation package last year of $2,745,219, the annual report said.
Speaking to students at Edison State College in Napier County, Fla., last week, Schnatter said the cost of compliance might force Papa John's to cut back on employees hours.
An Applebee's restaurant franchisee, Zane Tankel, told Fox Business Network he would freeze hiring and may cut employees' hours because of the cost of complying with the law, Advertising Age reported.
Darden Restaurants, which owns restaurant chains including Olive Garden and Red Lobster, said last month it was putting more employees on a part-time schedule in some states to control healthcare-related costs.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/11/14/Forbes-Papa-Johns-ACA-cost-5-cents/UPI-54101352940627/#ixzz2CK7hWGxJ
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Yes, lets everyone surrender what we've earned to the government because they know best. lol. If "Obamacare" was so great then why are the originators of the program exempt?
Like I said, I saw this shit coming in 07' when this asshole was campaigning. When he was finally "elected" we Obama proofed our business. He can fuck himself. Truthfully, all of the lies from him and his administration and his cohorts will come to a head in his second term, and if the fucking media and repubs who sat of their asses and did nothing everytime he pulled his shit would just do something, he can be exposed and ran out of office. Fucker is an accessory to murder, people turn the other cheek and he get's elected by fraud. He's a joke not to be taken seriously.
fuck off you dumb qunt
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A nickel.
He would rather his workers get sick or die than raise the price a nickel.
I ask you all, do you REALLY want SICK WORKERS handling YOUR food?
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A nickel.
He would rather his workers get sick or die than raise the price a nickel.
I ask you all, do you REALLY want SICK WORKERS handling YOUR food?
Pretty damn ridiculous isn't it?
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The Coach is like a brainwashed amoeba
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Groink are you implying the Coach had to endure years of taller kids stealing his carefully prepared lunch at school?
Yes Raymondo, I'm subtly insinuating that Coaches mother trimmed the crust off of his PB&J sandwiches.
and by "trimmed the crust" i mean had sex with the black neighbor ;D
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The Coach is like a brainwashed amoeba
and he got caught looking at gay porn....
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A nickel.
He would rather his workers get sick or die than raise the price a nickel.
I ask you all, do you REALLY want SICK WORKERS handling YOUR food?
Even more to the point Adam...imagine if he DOESN'T raise the price, and actually makes a NICKEL less profit per pizza....Oh the humanity !!! :-[ the poor guy
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Pretty damn ridiculous isn't it?
I`d be more than willing pay a nickel more for his shit pizza , knowing that his workers were going to be able to see a doctor when they need it. This is probably because I have morals and think profit over human suffering is absolutely sickening, especially when its unnecessary as in this case.
Notice how the religious here, the Republicans here, don`t have any of that in their brains. Their small brains lack all empathy and the amusing thing is, most are bad off themselves and the bubble they live and operate in keeps them sealed from reality.
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I am in fact asking that people do some planning before taking any action that may cost them money. I'm really glad that someone gets it tho.
Did you say its a privilege to breed?
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/
The issue: the Affordable Care Act dictates that full-time employees (30 hours or more per week) at companies with more than 50 workers need to be provided health insurance. Schnatter has further claimed that some employers will cut employee hours to avoid providing them with healthcare.
Checking Papa Schnatter’s Math
Last year, Papa John’s International captured $1.218 billion in revenue. Total operating expenses were $1.131 billion. So if Schnatter’s math is accurate (Obamacare will cost his company $5-8 million more annually), then new regulation translates into a .4% to .7% (yes, fractions of a percent) expense increase. It’s difficult to set that ratio against the proposed pie increase, given size and topping differentials, but many of their large specialty pizzas run for $16. Remarkably, a 10-14 cent increase on a $16 pizza falls in a comparable range: .6% to.9%. But the cost transference becomes less equitable if you’re looking at medium pizzas, which run closer to $12, meaning a .8% to 1.15% price increase.
For the sake of argument, let’s say that Papa John’s sells exactly half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86% price increase — well outside the range of what Schnatter says Obamacare will cost him.
So how much would prices go up, under these 50/50 conditions, if they were to fairly reflect the increased cost of doing business onset by Obamacare? Roughly 3.4 to 4.6 cents a pie.
In September, the company announced that it would be giving away 2 million free pizzas. That was, of course, a promotion designed to increase brand awareness and to invite consumers to try the brand — with the ultimate goal of selling more pizzas. Those giveaways can’t really be cataloged alongside sales that would have been made otherwise. But just in case you’re curious, that would be the equivalent of $24 million to $32 million in pizza revenue.
Necks In This Game
Standing to lose (or gain) as his company determines how best to operate under new regulations is Papa Schnatter himself, who owns 6,094,409 shares, or nearly one fourth, of Papa John’s, according to the company’s most recent annual report. 1,268,052 of those shares are held in a family limited partnership and 84,000 shares held in a 501(c)(3). The rest are directly owned. At the $49.44 share price, subtracting those held in a charitable trust, the remaining 6,010,409 shares are worth roughly $297 million. Schnatter’s compensation packages for years 2009-11 were $2,319,643, $2,614,516, and $2,745,219 respectively, also according to the annual report. Papa John’s International has not paid a dividend since 2005.
Also hanging in the balance are the shares of institutional investors FMR (11.6%), BlackRock (6.7%) and JP Morgan Chase (5%). But if these notions of protest materialize, Papa John’s front line will be populated by the franchise owners who operate many of its 4,000-plus international locations.
Emails sent to Papa John’s Investor Relations and calls placed to Papa John’s Public Relations were not immediately returned for comment.
Updates as of 9:15 p.m. EST.
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I`d be more than willing pay a nickel more for his shit pizza , knowing that his workers were going to be able to see a doctor when they need it. This is probably because I have morals and think profit over human suffering is absolutely sickening, especially when its unnecessary as in this case.
Notice how the religious here, the Republicans here, don`t have any of that in their brains. Their small brains lack all empathy and the amusing thing is, most are bad off themselves and the bubble they live and operate in keeps them sealed from reality.
The money it costs isn't really the point. Lots of people that are against Obamacare probably give more to charity than this will cost them.
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Pay the nickle, 5% whatever you want. Just don't make me pay for someone else's health insurance, do that enough already with medicare taxes. Have them go get a better job than working at a pizza joint part time if they want it just like the rest of us had to do. It's not just a nickle at Papa' Johns, it's cost increase at just about any similar business. Denny's is the newest example http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233221/Dennys-charge-5-Obamacare-surcharge-cut-employee-hours-deal-cost-legislation.html. Most employees will have their hours reduced to just under 30 so they won't have to be covered. I guarantee many other business's will use the same tactic. Maybe I'm just not compassionate like a good liberal supposedly is, but I don't like paying for other people's stuff any more than I have to nor do I expect anyone to pay for mine.
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The money it costs isn't really the point. Lots of people that are against Obamacare probably give more to charity than this will cost them.
Got any proof of that or are you just talking out of your arse?
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Got any proof of that or are you just talking out of your arse?
Keyword from my post: "probably".
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let the workers become dependant on antibiotics just to see what happens in the longrun okay
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I`d be more than willing pay a nickel more for his shit pizza , knowing that his workers were going to be able to see a doctor when they need it. This is probably because I have morals and think profit over human suffering is absolutely sickening, especially when its unnecessary as in this case.
Notice how the religious here, the Republicans here, don`t have any of that in their brains. Their small brains lack all empathy and the amusing thing is, most are bad off themselves and the bubble they live and operate in keeps them sealed from reality.
Hey dipshit... I'm not into religion at all... I'm not a republican.... I am CWA local 13000... and I still think the guy can do whatever he wants with his nickels. Oh yeah...and my wife and I are not in need of any government aid. In fact to me it is disgraceful... I'd clean shitty toilets and work my way back up before I'd sit on my ass for 3 years. So stick your morals of how to spend other people's money in your ass. I'll keep my morals just the way they are.
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Hey dipshit... I'm not into religion at all... I'm not a republican.... I am CWA local 13000... and I still think the guy can do whatever he wants with his nickels. Oh yeah...and my wife and I are not in need of any government aid. In fact to me it is disgraceful... I'd clean shitty toilets and work my way back up before I'd sit on my ass for 3 years. So stick your morals of how to spend other people's money in your ass. I'll keep my morals just the way they are.
I hereby invite you and "The Coach" to Team Satan.
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Got any proof of that or are you just talking out of your arse?
Not to break the flow of the topic here, just wanted to say I liked how you said "arse" instead of "ass"
;D
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I hereby invite you and "The Coach" to Team Satan.
As long as " team satan" isn't some code for "we like it in the ass bareback."
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As long as " team satan" isn't some code for "we like it in the ass bareback."
That's team -"natural christian bodybuilder"'s thing.
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He's simply asking that people do some planing before they have children.
That's really not so far out.
Indeed. Try having an education, a decent job, and a wife/husband, first.....IN THAT ORDER.
That seems to work pretty well.
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Indeed. Try having an education, a decent job, and a wife/husband, first.....IN THAT ORDER.
That seems to work pretty well.
The most "popular" order would be:
1. Drink, party, fuck, work in McDonalds... Oh shit, girl I fucked got pregnant. What was her name?
2. I love her! /Posts pics of "happy married couple on facebook"
3. I love my kid(s)! He/She/They fucking changed my life etc.! /Posts pics of his kid(s) on fb every fucking week until I unsubscribe him.
4. Finish some minor school because "you need to have education nowadays".
5. Still work at McDonalds
6. Struggle to pay for his kids books at school
7. Blame the government.
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Indeed. Try having an education, a decent job, and a wife/husband, first.....IN THAT ORDER.
That seems to work pretty well.
Works really well... had my second beautiful baby daughter Tues. I am chatting from the hospital... was a c section.
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Works really well... had my second beautiful baby daughter Tues. I am chatting from the hospital... was a c section.
But what if you get laid off? according to deciever, you would be "irresponsible" and shouldn't have had kids, because you can't 100% guarantee without a doubt that you will be able to give them a wonderful carefree life, and a college education so they could be doctors or lawyers
PS congrats on the baby, for real
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But what if you get laid off? according to deciever, you would be "irresponsible" and shouldn't have had kids, because you can't 100% guarantee without a doubt that you will be able to give them a wonderful carefree life, and a college education so they could be doctors or lawyers
Groink, he will scrub our toilets. He said so himself.
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Haven't you fucked off already :)
Do you plan to keep posting with this account ?
You have a fucking problem with me son? Spit it out? Because I won't conform to leaving because of a gimmick? Nevertrustanyone I can see. He's a blatant pussy with multiple gimmicks who stalks me from board to board. A person who would never square off I'm real life to my face. So let's get this shit out in the open.
Is it because you, groink and the others don't have the drive to make it without government.assistance? Are you too lazy and need the helps of others to make it through life? You have just as much opportunity as anyother business to make more of yourself besides working for others ? Tell you what, go to you boss that owns your company and tell him what you've been saying on here and see how that works out.
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But what if you get laid off? according to deciever, you would be "irresponsible" and shouldn't have had kids, because you can't 100% guarantee without a doubt that you will be able to give them a wonderful carefree life, and a college education so they could be doctors or lawyers
PS congrats on the baby, for real
Thanks. And I would collect unemployment. I am 39 been paying into it since the first day it was legal for me to do so...never been unemployed. If anyone should use it ... it is me. I said sit on my ass for 3 years is shameful. I'd start looking for work the next day... the next day. And if scrubbing toilets was an option to get my foot in the door and work back up, I would do it. Period.
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Either that or your just trust fund babies who don't know what its like to work
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But what if you get laid off? according to deciever, you would be "irresponsible" and shouldn't have had kids, because you can't 100% guarantee without a doubt that you will be able to give them a wonderful carefree life, and a college education so they could be doctors or lawyers
PS congrats on the baby, for real
Some people will never get laid off because with their experience and knowledge they will always get a job, unless world goes to shit. Civil engineers, lawyers, doctors, architects...
If you have what I consider more risky job, like software engineer, you should save your money for your future. You can, especially considering the fact that you earn a lot from an early age as opposed to doctors, lawyers and civil engineers where it takes years.
It really depends and of course, anyone can become jobless and go bankrupt. It's common sense that I'm saying "sure", or "stable" I say "stable with great probability".
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You have a fucking problem with me son? Spit it out? Because I won't conform to leaving because of a gimmick? Nevertrustanyone I can see. He's a blatant pussy with multiple gimmicks who stalks me from board to board. A person who would never square off I'm real life to my face. So let's get this shit out in the open.
Is it because you, groink and the others don't have the drive to make it without government.assistance? Are you too lazy and need the helps of others to make it through life? You have just as much opportunity as anyother business to make more of yourself besides working for others ? Tell you what, go to you boss that owns your company and tell him what you've been saying on here and see how that works out.
Oh my word, Coach, what a meltdown
I don't even know what this thread is all about, all I am commenting on is the obvious- you said you would leave (this time for good), yet you're still here, doing your thing.
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By the way Coach I'm gainfully employed, pay into a private pension and have private as well as public medical to count on.
I also volunteer on local organisations.
What about you?
Do you volunteer anywhere?
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The interesting thing to see is who is actually going to see all these newly insured patients. Much of the expansion of insurance comes from an expansion of medicaid. Well, many doctors don't accept medicaid since the reimbursement is so ridiculously low. So the newly "insured" dennys workers aren't gonna have much access to care outside of a county hospital where the wait time for care (which is already long...in some cases weeks) is only gonna get longer. So status quo won't change with regard to healthcare except now we're gonna be paying more for food, peoples hours are going to get cut, and in the end the rich guy is still rich and we all get fucked.
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Some people will never get laid off because with their experience and knowledge they will always get a job, unless world goes to shit. Civil engineers, lawyers, doctors, architects...
If you have what I consider more risky job, like software engineer, you should save your money for your future. You can, especially considering the fact that you earn a lot from an early age as opposed to doctors, lawyers and civil engineers where it takes years.
It really depends and of course, anyone can become jobless and go bankrupt. It's common sense that I'm saying "sure", or "stable" I say "stable with great probability".
Like 5% of the workforce has those types of jobs..so in your utopia, the other 95% can go fuck themselves if they get laid off?
You are an idealist, your philosophy does not hold water in the real world, where shit happens.
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By the way, the reason why people go broke is because they spend too much money. It's that simple.
But yeah, you just HAVE to buy this new iPAD. You HAVE to buy new expensive car so you can show off. Maybe luxury apartment and jewellery.
My friend's mother lives in NY. He worked there at a construction plant. Do you have any idea how much money he was able to save in 10 weeks time?
Truth is, you're used to such high standard of living that you have no idea how to save anymore. Everyone spends more than he earns nowadays for vanity purposes, that's why we're all in such huge shithole and then after we loose job we need that "help" from country. Truth is, anyone from my country who moved to USA and worked there as a fucking plumber or whatever was amazed by how much money he was able to save in short time. And you fucking people whine about "living on the edge of poverty"? Give me a fucking break.
Groink basically yes, 95% can go fuck themselves or move to 5%. If they can't that's their fault anyway. Still, I somehow do not believe that cleaning ladies I know were able to rent a flat, send money home, save a lot of money for future and still live a decent life and somehow Americans go completely "broke" when they loose their jobs.
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Thanks. And I would collect unemployment. I am 39 been paying into it since the first day it was legal for me to do so...never been unemployed. If anyone should use it ... it is me. I said sit on my ass for 3 years is shameful. I'd start looking for work the next day... the next day. And if scrubbing toilets was an option to get my foot in the door and work back up, I would do it. Period.
No problem dude..kids rule.
But to continue, if you got laid off and your medical benefits from your job were cut off as well...Not wishing anything bad, but you got a newborn, she's going to need regular doctor visits. where are you getting the medical coverage from? will you refuse Obamacare?
If your wife has benny's good for you....it's a hypothetical question
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No problem dude..kids rule.
But to continue, if you got laid off and your medical benefits from your job were cut off as well...Not wishing anything bad, but you got a newborn, she's going to need regular doctor visits. where are you getting the medical coverage from? will you refuse Obamacare?
If your wife has benny's good for you....it's a hypothetical question
So you are lumping me in with the leeches? In the case you said earlier I said the guy should be helped... he's not a leech. Neither am I... I would do what ever I had to until I found more work. Like I said if anyone would deserve the help... the way it was meant to be used... it would be me.
We started off talking about the gov. forcing a business into more expenses. And the leeches cheering about it. Huge difference in both of the scenarios you laid out.
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By the way, the reason why people go broke is because they spend too much money. It's that simple.
Friend, 100k$/year, software engineer. Works in a modest flat. No car. Uses public transport. Eats in his company for free. Just do the math how much you can save living like that.
Another guy, 50 years old. Civil Engineer in Germany. Worked in some company, saved a lot of money, created his own. Saved more money. At 40 years old he sold his company, bought land in Poland. He doesn't have to work anymore until his death.
But yeah, you just HAVE to buy this new iPAD. You HAVE to buy new expensive car so you can show off. Maybe luxury apartment and jewellery.
My friend's mother lives in NY. He worked there at a construction plant. Do you have any idea how much money he was able to save in 10 weeks time?
Truth is, you're used to such high standard of living that you have no idea how to save anymore. Everyone spends more than he earns nowadays for vanity purposes, that's why we're all in such huge shithole and then after we loose job we need that "help" from country. Truth is, anyone from my country who moved to USA and worked there as a fucking plumber or whatever was amazed by how much money he was able to save in short time. And you fucking people whine about "living on the edge of poverty"? Give me a fucking break.
Groink basically yes, 95% can go fuck themselves or move to 5%. If they can't that's their fault anyway. Still, I somehow do not believe that cleaning ladies I know were able to rent a flat, send money home, save a lot of money for future and still live a decent life and somehow Americans go completely "broke" when they loose their jobs.
Weird way of viewing the world sir.
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Weird way of viewing the world sir.
I removed extreme examples because they somehow blurred the picture instead of getting to the point.
That's nothing "weird" or new, that's what Friedman among many other's like Ron Paul were saying for many years.
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So you are lumping me in with the leeches? In the case you said earlier I said the guy should be helped... he's not a leech. Neither am I... I would do what ever I had to until I found more work. Like I said if anyone would deserve the help... the way it was meant to be used... it would be me.
We started off talking about the gov. forcing a business into more expenses. And the leeches cheering about it. Huge difference in both of the scenarios you laid out.
Fair enough, I won't disagree.
and FWIW, I'm not real big on "leeches" myself. i'm just more compassionate for the downtrodden i guess. I can accept the fact that not everyone is destined for greatness, the world needs ditch diggers too, and if it costs the ruling class a pittance so that these folk can go to the damn doctor, It's what we do in a supposedly enlightened society.
That's all i'm saying here.
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http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/11/14/Forbes-Papa-Johns-ACA-cost-5-cents/UPI-54101352940627/
Forbes: Papa John's ACA cost, 5 cents
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Papa John's Pizza CEO John Schnatter arrives at the 47th annual Academy of Country Music Awards at the MGM Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada on April 1, 2012. UPI/Jim Ruymen
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NEW YORK, Nov. 14 (UPI) -- The head of Papa John's says it would cost 10-14 cents a pizza to buy health insurance for the chain's U.S. workers but a Forbes study says it would be 5 cents.
Papa John's International Chief Executive Officer John Schnatter -- a supporter of GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney and opponent of the Affordable Care Act -- said he estimated compliance with the healthcare reform law would cost his company about $5 to 8 million annually.
The company made $1.2 billion in revenue last yer, with total operating expenses of $1.131 billion and a gross profit of $87 million.
Using Schnatter's estimate that healthcare reform would cost his company $5 to 8 million more annually, Forbes magazine said providing healthcare translated into a .4 percent to .7 percent increase in the price of a pizza.
"For the sake of argument, let's say that Papa John's sells exactly half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86 percent price increase -- less than 1 percent -- well outside the range of what Schnatter said health insurance would cost," Forbes magazine said. "So how much would prices go up, under these 50/50 conditions of large and medium pizzas if they were to fairly reflect the increased cost of doing business onset by Obamacare? Roughly 3.4 to 4.6 cents a pie," about one-third of Schnatter's estimate, Forbes said.
Schnatter owns 6,094,409 shares, or nearly one fourth of Papa John's shares as part of a family limited partnership and had a compensation package last year of $2,745,219, the annual report said.
Speaking to students at Edison State College in Napier County, Fla., last week, Schnatter said the cost of compliance might force Papa John's to cut back on employees hours.
An Applebee's restaurant franchisee, Zane Tankel, told Fox Business Network he would freeze hiring and may cut employees' hours because of the cost of complying with the law, Advertising Age reported.
Darden Restaurants, which owns restaurant chains including Olive Garden and Red Lobster, said last month it was putting more employees on a part-time schedule in some states to control healthcare-related costs.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/11/14/Forbes-Papa-Johns-ACA-cost-5-cents/UPI-54101352940627/#ixzz2CK7hWGxJ
Unless I am misinterpreting this I believe Forbes is just looking at the direct cost to papa johns from Obamas new federal government regulations. However I think Forbes has not taken into account the indirect costs to papa johns, since these new federal regulations basically apply to everyone, any company that Papa John does business with will have to raise their prices for their specific produts. So in this case the company(s) that supply cheese will see their operating costs rise and pass the cost onto papa johns, the people that produce the sauce ingridients for pizza will also have to pass their healthcare increase costs onto Papa Johns and etc. Basically Papa Johns will be affected no only by direct government requirements but also indirectly by all of its supplies and companies that it depends on to get supplies / materials in.
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Fair enough, I won't disagree.
and FWIW, I'm not real big on "leeches" myself. i'm just more compassionate for the downtrodden i guess. I can accept the fact that not everyone is destined for greatness, the world needs ditch diggers too, and if it costs the ruling class a pittance so that these folk can go to the damn doctor, It's what we do in a supposedly enlightened society.
That's all i'm saying here.
I have tons of compassion for those truly in need... that's where I differ from the knuckle heads... the definition of truly in need.
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He can take his shitty cardboard pizza to china
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Poppa Johns pizza is causing healthcare to rise as only big fat fucks eat it...
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Coach is a typical American. He bitches about people who have little and are in need. I guarantee you one day Coach will have nothing and will be living off the system too. Hes a personal trainer acting like hes managing a trust fund. lol
By the way Coach I'm gainfully employed, pay into a private pension and have private as well as public medical to count on.
I also volunteer on local organisations.
What about you?
Do you volunteer anywhere?
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Thanks. And I would collect unemployment. I am 39 been paying into it since the first day it was legal for me to do so...never been unemployed. If anyone should use it ... it is me. I said sit on my ass for 3 years is shameful. I'd start looking for work the next day... the next day. And if scrubbing toilets was an option to get my foot in the door and work back up, I would do it. Period.
You would make a wonderful slave. How handy are you with a hand plow?
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I ask you all, do you REALLY want SICK WORKERS handling YOUR food?
you make a great point.
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you make a great point.
oversimplification. Most "sick" people with contagious diseases handling food have illnesses that a doctor can't do shit about anyway. (The majority of common, transmissible illnesses are not curable). It's really on them to take the day off. Giving them healthcare is just going to crowd up the ERs more with people who really don't need to see a doctor anyway.
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oversimplification. Most "sick" people with contagious diseases handling food have illnesses that a doctor can't do shit about anyway. (The majority of common, transmissible illnesses are not curable). It's really on them to take the day off. Giving them healthcare is just going to crowd up the ERs more with people who really don't need to see a doctor anyway.
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This is precisely what it prevents, the crowding of ER`s.
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Coach is a typical American. He bitches about people who have little and are in need. I guarantee you one day Coach will have nothing and will be living off the system too. Hes a personal trainer acting like hes managing a trust fund. lol
Whatever you say.
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By the way Coach I'm gainfully employed, pay into a private pension and have private as well as public medical to count on.
I also volunteer on local organisations.
What about you?
Do you volunteer anywhere?
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I don't recall saying you were not employed. Btw, I give a lot of time to two some times three different organizations along with giving money to charities.
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My Pizza is much better.
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My Pizza is much better.
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i would definitely eat that pizza 8)
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Dude knock it off I'm starving. I would hit all of those
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Dude knock it off I'm starving. I would hit all of those
;D last one (starbucks is closing, have to leave here and cant use the wifi anymore)
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tbombz killing it itt
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God forbid he actually absorbs the cost and makes a fraction less money than he does now, and all of his workers have health coverage.
That's why I hate fucking republicans, they would kill their mother rather than actually LOSE money,no matter how insignificant the sum... it's the ONLY thing that matters, foreign policy, domestic policy, religion, the environment...they could give a flying fuck....Just don't touch my fucking money.
Word...
And on another note.. God Damn Groink... Arms lookin awesome...no homo
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I`d be more than willing pay a nickel more for his shit pizza ,
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okay , on the way back from starbucks i stopped by my roomate's university's library, she signed me into the computer here. the pizza continues 8)
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one for lee priest (have to keep it bodybuilding related)
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jalapeno bacon :P
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maple bacon + carmelized onion ;D
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university library is closing.. :(
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You realize that he has a point, right? Thats why they sell it for 10.99 and not 11.00. Its a mental thing for consumers.
Masters in Business Administration right there ::)
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Thank you tdongz. now we all know what pizza looks like.
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People have a fundamentally short term, selfish view.
The market will sort things out over time but the pain of letting the market do that is a lot to bear.
As had been mentioned before, if Papa Johns had the technology, they might employ robots to make & deliver the Pizzas, effectively having a zero employee organisation. To the Papa John guy this is a win-win. The problem is, Papa John would not want everyone else to do the same thing. If everyone did this, had robots doing the work (including the robot manufacturers), then nobody would have a job. This also means that nobody would have any money and nobody would be buying Papa Johns pizzas.
Look at the decimation of the manufacturing industry in the US. Eventually, the factories will come back and some already are. The problem is the pain involved in getting to the point in which they do come back.
This is why a market need some degree of oversight. People/organisations are selfish, the problems they cause are long term with the benefits being short term.
Of course, the issue is who will oversee the market. Neither party in the US has demonstrated the capability. It's just an 8 yearly rotation of snouts at the trough with no-one having any sort of long term vision.
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People have a fundamentally short term, selfish view.
The market will sort things out over time but the pain of letting the market do that is a lot to bear.
As had been mentioned before, if Papa Johns had the technology, they might employ robots to make & deliver the Pizzas, effectively having a zero employee organisation. To the Papa John guy this is a win-win. The problem is, Papa John would not want everyone else to do the same thing. If everyone did this, had robots doing the work (including the robot manufacturers), then nobody would have a job. This also means that nobody would have any money and nobody would be buying Papa Johns pizzas.
Look at the decimation of the manufacturing industry in the US. Eventually, the factories will come back and some already are. The problem is the pain involved in getting to the point in which they do come back.
This is why a market need some degree of oversight. People/organisations are selfish, the problems they cause are long term with the benefits being short term.
Of course, the issue is who will oversee the market. Neither party in the US has demonstrated the capability. It's just an 8 yearly rotation of snouts at the trough with no-one having any sort of long term vision.
Good post.
and that's the whole problem to me with this country, corporate greed.
Look at what's been going on, the people at the very top of the food chain, the ivy-league educated bluebloods, the supposed bastions of society, are just stealing fucking money. Enron, the "bailouts" .....these fuckers are doing shit that two-bit con men used to do...just TAKING the fucking money and making no bones about it. and seriously fucking thousands upon thousands of people right up the ass with no lube.
I mean shit, at least pretend you are doing your job, and come up with an intelligent excuse when you get busted, like white collar crooks used to do
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This is precisely what it prevents, the crowding of ER`s.
LOL, you obviously don't know how medical reimbursement works. Try making an appointment with a local private doc when you have medicaid. Ain't gonna happen. Even Medicare patients (which pays a hell of a lot better than medicaid) have a hard time finding docs these days. Through Obamacare, a large percentage of the newly insured poor are going to be shuttled to medicaid which means they go to county hospitals or ridiculously busy academic centers where the wait times are already weeks for appointments and where they are having a hell of a time recruiting non-foreign grads to primary care medicine. Your only chance for care when it takes weeks to get an appointment is the ER. Urgent cares typically do not accept medicaid patients, and even the docs at the academic centers who do have their own clinics do whatever they can to fill their schedule with private patients first since they are still ultimately reimbursed based on the money they bring in.
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LOL, you obviously don't know how medical reimbursement works. Try making an appointment with a local private doc when you have medicaid. Ain't gonna happen. Even Medicare patients (which pays a hell of a lot better than medicaid) have a hard time finding docs these days. Through Obamacare, a large percentage of the newly insured poor are going to be shuttled to medicaid which means they go to county hospitals or ridiculously busy academic centers where the wait times are already weeks for appointments and where they are having a hell of a time recruiting non-foreign grads to primary care specialties. Your only chance for care when it takes weeks to get an appointment is the ER. Urgent cares typically do not accept medicaid patients, and even the docs at the academic centers do whatever they can to fill their schedule with private patients first.
yes, but waiting a month to see a doc is better than never seeing one at all. and if you have a traumatic injury, you go to the ER like everybody else.
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The pizza stops for a few minutes and you fucks go back to talking politics. Your lucky I'm posting on my phone and can't include pics or else I'd ne throwin pepperoni and sausage all up in your shit.
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Then why is he the one complaining?, unless he doesn't want to pay for the shiny building people to be insured
More than likely, he is complaining because he is a Republican.
Similarly, we will have democrat voters whining about Republican policies when they get in after Obama (as it will be their turn).
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The pizza stops for a few minutes and you fucks go back to talking politics. Your lucky I'm posting on my phone and can't include pics or else I'd ne throwin pepperoni and sausage all up in your shit.
If I was you, I'd be worried about the "pepperoni" and "sausages" all up in your "shit".... :D ;D
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Lol clever. Not a worry so much as a pleasure I save for special occasions ;) haha
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More than likely, he is complaining because he is a Republican.
Similarly, we will have democrat voters whining about Republican policies when they get in after Obama (as it will be their turn).
You and I think similarly when it comes to politics. the most amusing thing is when the sitting president gets blamed for the state of the economy, when those seeds were planted years ago. like Obama is responsible for the economy he inherited. a 20 year housing bubble built on deregulation from the fucking 80's bursts, and the fallout is his fault...LOLOL.
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Remember back in the 80s when Dominos went from Chevettes as company owned delivery vehicles to private vehicles? That was due to the cost to insure. The government will make things less efficient.
How does the price of auto insurance have anything to do with government and efficiency? The auto insurance industry is a private, for profit industry.
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The thing I find odd is the people that keep shouting "Communism" in this discussion.
You already have many socialised services in the US. The fire service and the police for instance. Some of healthcare is already socialised.
Yet, some people are claiming that this change is "communism". I know it's tongue in cheek but it is rather indicative of being somewhat brainwashed.
What you have in the US and in fact many countries around the world is a large degree of social conditioning and an associated reluctance to change. Each country has a varying degree of social programmes. People in the US have been conditioned to it being one way. Now it is changing against the way they have been conditioned to believe is right. The end result is an overreaction and these shouts of communism.
This isn't communism. You'll know when that comes because it will be accompanied with a rapid reduction in the population.
What this is, is a change in the existing social policies of the US. People seem to be focused too much on one angle of this argument - the "American Dream" angle. You know - the one where every American is really a temporarily embarrassed millionaire and that everyone can make it if they try. Well they can't. You could be smart, work hard, really try your best and still fail. In fact, failure is the most likely outcome.
Successful people read way too much into what they did and way too little into the fact that luck played a great part in their success.
Next time you go through the "self help" and "biography" section of Barnes and Noble, consider the impact of Survivorship Bias. How many people that tried & failed write books and if they did how many people would be interested in reading them?
And for those of you that have been successful and a reading this post. You really think luck played no part in your success?
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Communism is only a theory and it is a beautiful theory. everyone should read sir Thomas Moore's book "utopia".
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Communism is only a theory and it is a beautiful theory. everyone should read sir Thomas Moore's book "utopia".
I am talking reality, not theory.
The reality of communism is nasty but that's besides the point. Obamacare isn't communism any more than your Fire Service is communism....
Mind you - they do drive those red engines....
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The nazis called themsleves socialists. Doesn't mean they were. There has never been a real communist state. Ever.
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The nazis called themsleves socialists. Doesn't mean they were. There has never been a real communist state. Ever.
and there never will be, it's idealism to the Nth degree, people aren't equal and nobody will ever convince them that they are
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and there never will be, it's idealism to the Nth degree, people aren't equal and nobody will ever convince them that they are
Solid post.
Botoom line is, when Idealism meets realism....someones going to die for the cause.
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God forbid he actually absorbs the cost and makes a fraction less money than he does now, and all of his workers have health coverage.
That's why I hate fucking republicans, they would kill their mother rather than actually LOSE money,no matter how insignificant the sum... it's the ONLY thing that matters, foreign policy, domestic policy, religion, the environment...they could give a flying fuck....Just don't touch my fucking money.
It is exactly like that. Papa John's is a publicly traded company, they are beholden to their shareholders and noone else.
If the quarterly report shows an 8 million dollar loss due to the healthcare situation, the CEO will take a hit. The board may decide he is weak or not doing a proper job (= not making enough money for the shareholdes). So he's whining because they will have to find ways to cover the loss and if these don't work, he might end up losing his job.
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I don't recall saying you were not employed. Btw, I give a lot of time to two some times three different organizations along with giving money to charities.
Let me make a wild guess here: most of them are christian organisations and charities, right?
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The thing I find odd is the people that keep shouting "Communism" in this discussion.
You already have many socialised services in the US. The fire service and the police for instance. Some of healthcare is already socialised.
Yet, some people are claiming that this change is "communism". I know it's tongue in cheek but it is rather indicative of being somewhat brainwashed.
What you have in the US and in fact many countries around the world is a large degree of social conditioning and an associated reluctance to change. Each country has a varying degree of social programmes. People in the US have been conditioned to it being one way. Now it is changing against the way they have been conditioned to believe is right. The end result is an overreaction and these shouts of communism.
This isn't communism. You'll know when that comes because it will be accompanied with a rapid reduction in the population.
What this is, is a change in the existing social policies of the US. People seem to be focused too much on one angle of this argument - the "American Dream" angle. You know - the one where every American is really a temporarily embarrassed millionaire and that everyone can make it if they try. Well they can't. You could be smart, work hard, really try your best and still fail. In fact, failure is the most likely outcome.
Successful people read way too much into what they did and way too little into the fact that luck played a great part in their success.
Next time you go through the "self help" and "biography" section of Barnes and Noble, consider the impact of Survivorship Bias. How many people that tried & failed write books and if they did how many people would be interested in reading them?
And for those of you that have been successful and a reading this post. You really think luck played no part in your success?
I'm Polish citizen, not American, no American media could brainwash me and trust me, as Polish citizen when I see communism I know it.
Success is all about luck because first and foremost you have to be born in right family, receive proper education from early age and so on. It doesn't change the fact that promoting success is the right direction. That's how economy grows and the further from pure capitalism we are, the slower this process becomes until the point of stagnation and in the end - recession. Overspending and social policies are number one reason of worldwide crisis and number one reason why countries like Greece, Italy, Spain are going down.
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Masters in Business Administration right there ::)
Lol, one has only to look at my mother or wife to know it's true. If it's 10.99, its only 10 bucks. Dead serious.
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everyone can make it if they try. Well they can't. You could be smart, work hard, really try your best and still fail. In fact, failure is the most likely outcome.
I don't think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that. Becoming "successful" (at what point is defined as success? 250k a year? 500k a year? 1 million a year?) has just as much to do with luck as it does with hard work or intelligence.
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I don't think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that. Becoming "successful" (at what point is defined as success? 250k a year? 500k a year? 1 million a year?) has just as much to do with luck as it does with hard work or intelligence.
Good fortune goes a long way.
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I don't think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that. Becoming "successful" (at what point is defined as success? 250k a year? 500k a year? 1 million a year?) has just as much to do with luck as it does with hard work or intelligence.
What they don't understand is that luck is a relative term. That's elementary conditional probability. From some perspective, everything is a matter of luck - our gender, intelligence, abilities, family, upbringing and so on. If we assume these are arleady known and we don't take them into the equation "luck" factor still remains. This does not mean, however, that we cannot turn the odds in our favor. With enough intelligence we can predict some events and make decisions that lead us to achieving success, however we define it. Some may say, from their perspective, that these people had "luck", some would argue that they simply knew something you don't.
This is irrelevant to our discussion. What drives Groink is simple envy. He tries to fool us into believing that lower class and standard of life is his concern while his true motives were revealed when he started talking about "royal" thieves from "upper circles". This is same language that Marxists and Leninists used, language of hate towards people from privilege that lead to bloody revolution against them. Now we can all see why he boasted about his girls, physique, lied about natural status - he tried to make up for what he perceives as his failure.
There is no need for hate for those who achieved success. Most of them were born to achieve it anyway. If you, Groink, truly are satisfied with your life and your accomplishments then why all this hate?
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I don't think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that. Becoming "successful" (at what point is defined as success? 250k a year? 500k a year? 1 million a year?) has just as much to do with luck faith as it does with hard work or intelligence.
fixed.
People have the "luck" they built themselves. Also this "luck" has been built, prepared, by their parents, grandparents and so on...
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I don't think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that. Becoming "successful" (at what point is defined as success? 250k a year? 500k a year? 1 million a year?) has just as much to do with luck as it does with hard work or intelligence.
I didn't say that success was as much about luck as it was about hard work & intelligence. I said it has MORE to do with luck than hard work & intelligence. In fact, it can often just be luck with zero hard work or intelligence. Snooki?
Take 100 intelligent, driven, hard working people. How many of them will become millionaires?
Let's say 10 do. So you have a 90 percent failure rate.
Now - of the 90 that failed - how many will you hear about on TV/Magazines/newspapers/internet/biographies?
That's right - exactly 0. They don't write self help books, they don't get interviewed, they don't write autobiographies. Unlike the 10% that succeeded. So people that did make it, stroke their egos by making up all sorts of reasons they were successful but they rarely understand how random chance played such a major part.
It is called Survivorship bias.
You see successful people that tell you to work hard. You do not see unsuccessful people that also worked hard. Hence, you end up with a skewed perspective. The successful themselves also have a skewed perspective.
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I didn't say that success was as much about luck as it was about hard work & intelligence. I said it has MORE to do with luck than hard work & intelligence. In fact, it can often just be luck with zero hard work or intelligence. Snooki?
Take 100 intelligent, driven, hard working people. How many of them will become millionaires?
Let's say 10 do. So you have a 90 percent failure rate.
Now - of the 90 that failed - how many will you hear about on TV/Magazines/newspapers/internet/biographies?
That's right - exactly 0. They don't write self help books, they don't get interviewed, they don't write autobiographies. Unlike the 10% that succeeded. So people that did make it, stroke their egos by making up all sorts of reasons they were successful but they rarely understand how random chance played such a major part.
It is called Survivorship bias.
You see successful people that tell you to work hard. You do not see unsuccessful people that also worked hard. Hence, you end up with a skewed perspective. The successful themselves also have a skewed perspective.
I wasn't arguing with you. I was saying I don't think anyone here is naive enough to believe anyone can become successful if they're smart enough or work hard enough.
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I didn't say that success was as much about luck as it was about hard work & intelligence. I said it has MORE to do with luck than hard work & intelligence. In fact, it can often just be luck with zero hard work or intelligence. Snooki?
Take 100 intelligent, driven, hard working people. How many of them will become millionaires?
Let's say 10 do. So you have a 90 percent failure rate.
Now - of the 90 that failed - how many will you hear about on TV/Magazines/newspapers/internet/biographies?
That's right - exactly 0. They don't write self help books, they don't get interviewed, they don't write autobiographies. Unlike the 10% that succeeded. So people that did make it, stroke their egos by making up all sorts of reasons they were successful but they rarely understand how random chance played such a major part.
It is called Survivorship bias.
You see successful people that tell you to work hard. You do not see unsuccessful people that also worked hard. Hence, you end up with a skewed perspective. The successful themselves also have a skewed perspective.
You fail at your definition of success and your estimations are not true. You also fail to understand what is "random chance" and probability. Overall, what you said is semantic and logical mess.
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I wasn't arguing with you. I was saying I don't think anyone here is naive enough to believe anyone can become successful if they're smart enough or work hard enough.
My apologies...
I shall climb down off my high horse!
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I doubt Papa Johns has enough people working the hours to qualify for health care anyhow. Fast food businesses like Pappa Johns are experts at insuring their employs work just under the required hours to qualify for benefits.
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You fail at your definition of success and your estimations are not true. You also fail to understand what is "random chance" and probability. Overall, what you said is semantic and logical mess.
You also failed at providing a counter-argument.
I advice 1 dose of Nassim Taleb before bedtime. Follow that with a little Edward De Bono at breakfast.
Then if you still disagree, try to raise points counter to the one in my prior post and we may have an actual discussion.
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I didn't say that success was as much about luck as it was about hard work & intelligence. I said it has MORE to do with luck than hard work & intelligence. In fact, it can often just be luck with zero hard work or intelligence. Snooki?
snooki wanted to be where she got, she did all she could to get there, and got there. She faced compeition and was the "best". Luck is when you want something real bad, and actually obtain it. It implies you did everything needed first. It also means you finally deserved it. We re entering spirituality ground here. Most of the time when you re selected by someone else "above" it also means you please him/her more than others, so we all try to seduce those who have power before they make a choice.
Also you can insult snooki as much as you want, she may have more money than you. Looks like "intelligence" is very relative heh. What matters is one's ability to adapt and survive better than others inside his/her/its specie. She might not be very educated, but she has more money than you. Now, how long will she keep it, will she invest it wisely is another question.
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"luck" is is quite a few things IMO..
Being prepared to capitalize on an opportunity where the next man just lets it slip by. Having the belief in oneself that they will succeed at something that has no guarantee, and having the balls to go way out on a limb to go get something,and having the smarts to see something that most people don't see.
There is also just the element of chance, being in the right place at the right time, but ll those other things ave to be in place.
I'll give you a perfect example....
in the mid 90's. a very good friend of mine was working for our very, very wealthy friend who owned numerous car dealerships across Long Island, he supervised security on a couple of car lots.
The rich guy decides he wants to subcontract security for all of his lots, offsite storage and everything...like 25 locations. My friend asks for the contract, the rich guy half-jokingly says "fine, if you can have a uniformed , equipped crew ready to take over in two weeks time, you got the gig" . what he didn't know was my buddy has been saving his money for years,and had a crew ready to go in less than two weeks, he busted his ass 24/7 making that happen, and everyone called him a "lucky fuck" who had that "handed" to him
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What they don't understand is that luck is a relative term. That's elementary conditional probability. From some perspective, everything is a matter of luck - our gender, intelligence, abilities, family, upbringing and so on. If we assume these are arleady known and we don't take them into the equation "luck" factor still remains. This does not mean, however, that we cannot turn the odds in our favor. With enough intelligence we can predict some events and make decisions that lead us to achieving success, however we define it. Some may say, from their perspective, that these people had "luck", some would argue that they simply knew something you don't.
This is irrelevant to our discussion. What drives Groink is simple envy. He tries to fool us into believing that lower class and standard of life is his concern while his true motives were revealed when he started talking about "royal" thieves from "upper circles". This is same language that Marxists and Leninists used, language of hate towards people from privilege that lead to bloody revolution against them. Now we can all see why he boasted about his girls, physique, lied about natural status - he tried to make up for what he perceives as his failure.
There is no need for hate for those who achieved success. Most of them were born to achieve it anyway. If you, Groink, truly are satisfied with your life and your accomplishments then why all this hate?
LOL..another one assuming he knows anything about my financial situation. I'll throw this out there, over a decade ago I fell off a roof and broke almost every bone on my body, people here will remember the story. I sued DirecTV and got a huge settlement. And i have a very good job now, I've worked since i was 12. Money isn't a problem for me
I'm sorry i called you an idiot, and now you are all butt-hurt..... but you're an idiot
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snooki wanted to be where she got, she did all she could to get there, and got there. She faced compeition and was the "best". Luck is when you want something real bad, and actually obtain it. It implies you did everything needed first. It also means you finally deserved it. We re entering spirituality ground here. Most of the time when you re selected by someone else "above" it also means you please him/her more than others, so we all try to seduce those who have power before they make a choice.
Also you can insult snooki as much as you want, she may have more money than you. Looks like "intelligence" is very relative heh. What matters is one's ability to adapt and survive better than others inside his/her/its specie. She might not be very educated, but she has more money than you. Now, how long will she keep it, will she invest it wisely is another question.
Yes - Snooki did what she did. As did another thousand women just like her.
As for insulting Snooki, what are you talking about?
Your post is quite fascinating. First of all you appear to project a spiritual side saying that a higher power is involved. Then you later equate success as being about how much money you have.
Money is important in life but you should not rate yourself or others by how much they have accumulated. Especially as it's down to luck in the first place.
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Remember the 'backlash' when Huck called it "Chik Fila Day" on Aug 1st, and suddenly they had lines around the block?
Papa john was hoping to become the sustainable pizza choice for people who hate obama.
Turns out, nobody really noticed or cared...
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Remember the 'backlash' when Huck called it "Chik Fila Day" on Aug 1st, and suddenly they had lines around the block?
Papa john was hoping to become the sustainable pizza choice for people who hate obama.
Turns out, nobody really noticed or cared...
+1
The guy was a success at making pizza. Now he thinks he's Mr Politics.
He's the same as all these Hollywood assholes who think people give 2 shits about their political opinions.
Just a bunch of spiritually void people that need to constantly massage their own egos.
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The Pizza mans house
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5060b4996bb3f70a4f00000f-590/papa-johns-ceo-john-papa-schnatter-lives-in-a-40000-square-foot-castle-on-16-acres-in-kentucky-the-home-features-a-22-car-underground-garage-complete-with-a-car-wash.jpg)
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The Pizza mans house
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5060b4996bb3f70a4f00000f-590/papa-johns-ceo-john-papa-schnatter-lives-in-a-40000-square-foot-castle-on-16-acres-in-kentucky-the-home-features-a-22-car-underground-garage-complete-with-a-car-wash.jpg)
Very beautiful indeed.
Whenever we drive past a big house like that, my wife always says "I'd never want a house that big, I'd never be able to keep it clean".
The fact she has a maid to clean our normal sized house seems to be lost on her... You gotta love women.
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LOL..another one assuming he knows anything about my financial situation. I'll throw this out there, over a decade ago I fell off a roof and broke almost every bone on my body,
So thats what happened to your legs,sorry they never recovered ;D
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So thats what happened to your legs,sorry they never recovered ;D
lol
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Wellness is the future. Timing is and has always been everything.
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"Everything around you was made up by people who were no smarter than you"
---Steve Jobs
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the greed of the poor man is superior to the greed of the rich man.
Just ask them.
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"Enthusiasm, Timing and Luck is all you need to be successful"
---The Abdominal Snoman
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"Everything around you was made up by people who were no smarter than you"
---Steve Jobs
I happen to have read about the people who did information theory and coding theory, the stuff computers chips are built to do and I can assure you they were smarter than me :D
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I happen to have read about the people who did information theory and coding theory, the stuff computers chips are built to do and I can assure you they were smarter than me :D
"Everything is relative. Half of those people couldn't change the oil in their car"
---The Abdominal Snoman
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"Everything is relative. Half of those people couldn't change the oil in their car"
---The Abdominal Snoman
And now 10 hours of Benny Hill music
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You fail at your definition of success and your estimations are not true. You also fail to understand what is "random chance" and probability. Overall, what you said is semantic and logical mess.
pseudo-intellect superstar right here.
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The Pizza mans house
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5060b4996bb3f70a4f00000f-590/papa-johns-ceo-john-papa-schnatter-lives-in-a-40000-square-foot-castle-on-16-acres-in-kentucky-the-home-features-a-22-car-underground-garage-complete-with-a-car-wash.jpg)
Bigger than Cutler's pad in Vegas.
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Very beautiful indeed.
Whenever we drive past a big house like that, my wife always says "I'd never want a house that big, I'd never be able to keep it clean".
The fact she has a maid to clean our normal sized house seems to be lost on her... You gotta love women.
Yes, but what you probably don't get is that someone has to tell the maids what to do and to make sure they do it. Translation, a bigger house is harder for the mistress to keep clean. Your wife is right.