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Getbig Misc Too Board => Past IFBB & NPC Contests Boards => Pro Bodybuilding Weekly - Radio Board => Topic started by: AVBG on February 13, 2007, 09:33:26 AM
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On PBW Arnold gave some advice to Jay. He said that Jay "has a fantastic body and great looks.
The key thing is what he does with his personality because its all personality driven." "He's a great champion but its up to him now to sell the sport with great enthusiasm".
If this is true, is Jay in trouble?
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Yup, 100% true. Man, Arnold and I think the same on a couple things and I haven't even heard the interview yet. :)
Jay's not in trouble as such, but he could be a 'better' champ.
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I recall Arnold dissing Dorian for not being better at PR. I think that Jay has it in him to represent the sport in a positive way. He is a nice person and humble too.
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You have to understand, Arnold and Jay are 2 seperate people. Arnold was a big dreamer and doer. He was very outspoken. Arnold traveled across the world to live in the U.S. while Jay came from a blue-collar family, worked in the family business growing up, married his high school sweetheart, and found something that he enjoyed. Jay has a lot of family values instilled in him and displays respect for others. Jay just likes to clock in, do his work, and go home.
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You have to understand, Arnold and Jay are 2 seperate people. Arnold was a big dreamer and doer. He was very outspoken. Arnold traveled across the world to live in the U.S. while Jay came from a blue-collar family, worked in the family business growing up, married his high school sweetheart, and found something that he enjoyed. Jay has a lot of family values instilled in him and displays respect for others. Jay just likes to clock in, do his work, and go home.
I like Jays personality better.....I think he keeps it real. He is not going re-create his persona.
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I like Jays personality better...I think he keeps it real. He isnt going re-create his persona.
He once said that he doesn't want to be someone who talks too much.
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You have to understand, Arnold and Jay are 2 seperate people. Arnold was a big dreamer and doer. He was very outspoken. Arnold traveled across the world to live in the U.S. while Jay came from a blue-collar family, worked in the family business growing up, married his high school sweetheart, and found something that he enjoyed. Jay has a lot of family values instilled in him and displays respect for others. Jay just likes to clock in, do his work, and go home.
What got me thinking about this topic was last weeks Maxmax6 aka Dave B. said that they were still looking for PR people.. now tell me how long ago was the Olympia? His reign is half way through and there's opportunities that may have been missed.
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.. now tell me how long ago was the Olympia? His reign is half way through and there's opportunities that may have been missed.
Jay was at the last UFC signing autographs.
Ive seen pics of Jay with Big Lou at Saprano events.
He does try to put the sport out there.....
Levrone once said in 1995 that if he won the Olympia that he would change the way the world viewed the sport....well he won 2 Arnold Classics and didnt change the sport....what difference would it have made if he won the Olympia?
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What got me thinking about this topic was last weeks Maxmax6 aka Dave B. said that they were still looking for PR people.. now tell me how long ago was the Olympia? His reign is half way through and there's opportunities that may have been missed.
From what I understand, they had some strong connections with FHM magazine, but that magazine is about to be out of circuit, so they are looking for other avenues to take. He needs to get into more red carpet events.
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He once said that he doesn't want to be someone who talks too much.
What a great embassador for the sport.
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You have to understand, Arnold and Jay are 2 seperate people. Arnold was a big dreamer and doer. He was very outspoken. Arnold traveled across the world to live in the U.S. while Jay came from a blue-collar family, worked in the family business growing up, married his high school sweetheart, and found something that he enjoyed. Jay has a lot of family values instilled in him and displays respect for others. Jay just likes to clock in, do his work, and go home.
Solid, accurate post. Jay is looking for other ways to get out there - however, Weider and the other companies need to help get his name out there too, not just a PR firm that he hires.
I believe Arnold was referring to all of the bodybuilders and that includes Coleman too - he held the title for 8 years.
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What a great embassador for the sport.
actually not talking "too much" a good trait to have as a person.
Titus was an example of a person who talked too much....Kamali too.
I know people want an bodybuilder that is an attention hog like Paris Hilton to take the sport to the next level....but we need people with character in the sport.
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actually its a good trait to have as a person.
Titus was an example of a person who talked too much....Kamali too.
I know people want an bodybuilder that is an attention hog like Paris Hilton to take the sport to the next level....but we need people with character in the sport.
Arnold took it to the next level. He was an attention hog, but he also had character. There is a medium that can be found, if they are willing to do the hard work to get their name out there. Just being Mr. Olympia isn't gonna cut it as far as the sport branching out.
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To use Titus or Kamali in the comparison is absurd. Cutler is dignified.
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we need someone like carrot top to represent
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What kind of light do you think Kamali would get if he went onto Jay Leno or Letterman to sit down and talk about bodybuilding and nutrition, yet he couldn't get off the topic of "internet haters" or just plain "haters" period.
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Arnold took it to the next level. He was an attention hog, but he also had character. There is a medium that can be found, if they are willing to do the hard work to get their name out there. Just being Mr. Olympia isn't gonna cut it as far as the sport branching out.
I dont believe that he had good character.
I believe that he lied about not attending his fathers funeral so that he could prepare for a bodybuilding contest. (pumping Iron)
Now I may be mistaken, but if that is true, his character (at that time) was lacking.
Im not sure what to believe about that event because it seems hard to believe that a person would lie about that.
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To use Titus or Kamali in the comparison is absurd. Cutler is dignified.
They are examples of bodybuilders that talk too much.....the total opposite of Jay
I mis-worded my post...I just modified it.
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I dont believe that he had good character.
I believe that he lied about not attending his fathers funeral so that he could prepare for a bodybuilding contest. (pumping Iron)
Now I may be mistaken, but if that is true, his character (at that time) was lacking.
Im not sure what to believe about that event because it seems hard to believe that a person would lie about that.
Arnold admitted in an interview years later that it wasn't true, he did it to shock the audience for appeal.
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What kind of light do you think Kamali would get if he went onto Jay Leno or Letterman to sit down and talk about bodybuilding and nutrition, yet he couldn't get off the topic of "internet haters" or just plain "haters" period.
to say anything negative on the show would really be a big mistake. King wouldnt be able to control himself IMO.
I think that Jay would be able to do the show and stay positive and people would want to see more of that.
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Arnold admitted in an interview years later that it wasn't true, he did it to shock the audience for appeal.
Thsts even worse. He will sell out anything.
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Jay may not be charasmatic, but he carries himself well, has taste in dress, speaks thoughtfully and has the all-american good looks. He could do some real good.
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Thsts even worse. He will sell out anything.
I agree. The guy is lucky enough to get an oppurtunity to be in a documentary about the reality of his life....and he lies on film. Not a little fib either.
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I agree. The guy is lucky enough to get an oppurtunity to be in a documentary about the reality of his life....and he lies on film. Not a little fib either.
If he didn't do it, there would probably be no "Pumping Iron". I think George Butler - director of Pumping Iron - said it best when he called the movie a "Drama Documentary".
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If he didn't do it, there would probably be no "Pumping Iron". I think George Butler - director of Pumping Iron - said it best when he called the movie a "Drama Documentary".
Im not sure if that story actually was the most important story in the film.
I thought that there should have been more trips made to NYC to film Louie. Kind of going back and forth from LA to NYC to build up the show between Arnold and Ferrigno more.
I did like how they went to Sardina for Franco.
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Think about it. Thats what makes Arnold one of a kind. No Mr. O did for bodybuilding what arnold did. And from Haney to Cutler and inbetween all the O's have been regular quiet hard working guys. Jay is about exciting as a dead turtle and he sounds like the clear eyes guy. I think if levrone would have won one O would have been a bit more ambitious in trying to cross the sport over. Can you think of some past or present bodybuilder that would have crossed the sport over.
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Jay is definately too boring to represent the sport to the public, unfortunately. Altough he would absolutely have the good look to make BB mainstream: Good tan, strange blonde hair ;D, just the California dreamboy look; compared to Dorian or Ronnie, the ugly monsters, Jay could definetely make BB mainstream (if he was a better talker and more funny personality >:()
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Can you think of some past or present bodybuilder that would have crossed the sport over.
Flex, Matarazzo, Levrone; These guys could have made BB more popular. Great body + funny guys with personality and a big mouth.
Unfortunately always the Mr. O's, the champion athlete, have been boring morons (Dorian, Jay, Ronnie;........)
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Flex, Matarazzo, Levrone; These guys could have made BB more popular. Great body + funny guys with personality.
well flex...not so much but for sure matadazzo would have done great for the bodybuilding crossing over to the main stream. Flex is too much of an asshole.
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Arnold is one of the only guys who had great personality and was always outspoken. Flex I don't really think could have sold bodybuilding. Matarazzo loves bodybuilding as much as Arnold does. Levrone beating that sprinter would have been a great story to take to the masses.
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Is Jay in trouble? Has he left his run too late? Has he enough time to capitalise on being Mr O?
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What about Chick. He is pretty popular and gets his name out there. Especially for somone who dosent do the big shows
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What about Chick. He is pretty popular and gets his name out there. Especially for somone who dosent do the big shows
Chick = personality. He's great at self promotion.. he had a long time to practice as he had a long apprenticeship in the NPC.
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chick is known in bodybuilding circuit same with ronnie or jay or anyone.Arnold got into movies and that was a huge lift for his personality but not a lift for bodybuilding.Bodybuilder s didnt start making money from contracts untill Mcmahon started WBF.I agree that Arnold became famous but bodybuilding didnt gain that much in popularity.Gyms have become popular but that where it stops because just because you lift it dont make you a bodybuilder.
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He once said that he doesn't want to be someone who talks too much.
because he is just another white man.. ;D ;D
good thing that he's not Shawn or Tamali who will not stop bullshitting
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I recall Arnold dissing Dorian for not being better at PR.
From what I've read, Dorian told him that he knows nothing about modern bodybuilding. He just shows up in Columbus once a year, lets people kiss his ass for 48 hours, and then flies back to Hollywood.
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None of the these guys can take BBing to the next level. They've already helped make the "sport" so niche with ridiculous drug usage and appearanceswhere is it supposed to go??! You're deluding yourself if you think any of these overbloated mass monsters can "bring it mainstream"..."bring it to the people".
Nobody out there could look like these guys. Nobody can afford the drug regime it takes to look like that...or what it does to your body TO look like that. Whats the appeal? Spend tens of thousands of dollars to plump yourself up to such ridiculous levels that it elicits chuckles...not respect...and in the process destroy your thyroid, liver, kidneys, heart and possible chance at offspring. And why, for the chicks? For the big dollars? So you can't walk through a door? So you have to toss one leg in front of another to walk down the street? Guess what kiddies...most of obese Americans do that anyway!
What's needed in BBing is a sense of realism. A physique that is beautiful, healthy, athletic and muscular. Something that makes people want to go to the gym and aspire. Arnold had that. He almost single handedly ushered in the gym craze of the 80's through his BB career and movies. Ya, he was huge...but he was realistically huge, not comic book huge.
A year ago I read in the back of Muscle and Fitness that there was an on line survey for men and women over the BBing physique that they found most pleasing. Guess who took in 70%
Steve f*ing Reeves. Ronnie got 6 or 7%.
Until BBing wakes up and squares itself with that reality its going to continue to diminish.
Rant over.
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Thsts even worse. He will sell out anything.
The movie was a "Docudrama" it was NOT a documentary... Arnold was acting...
If you think this way, then all actors are liars...
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None of the these guys can take BBing to the next level. They've already helped make the "sport" so niche with ridiculous drug usage and appearanceswhere is it supposed to go??! You're deluding yourself if you think any of these overbloated mass monsters can "bring it mainstream"..."bring it to the people".
Nobody out there could look like these guys. Nobody can afford the drug regime it takes to look like that...or what it does to your body TO look like that. Whats the appeal? Spend tens of thousands of dollars to plump yourself up to such ridiculous levels that it elicits chuckles...not respect...and in the process destroy your thyroid, liver, kidneys, heart and possible chance at offspring. And why, for the chicks? For the big dollars? So you can't walk through a door? So you have to toss one leg in front of another to walk down the street? Guess what kiddies...most of obese Americans do that anyway!
What's needed in BBing is a sense of realism. A physique that is beautiful, healthy, athletic and muscular. Something that makes people want to go to the gym and aspire. Arnold had that. He almost single handedly ushered in the gym craze of the 80's through his BB career and movies. Ya, he was huge...but he was realistically huge, not comic book huge.
A year ago I read in the back of Muscle and Fitness that there was an on line survey for men and women over the BBing physique that they found most pleasing. Guess who took in 70%
Steve f*ing Reeves. Ronnie got 6 or 7%.
Until BBing wakes up and squares itself with that reality its going to continue to diminish.
Rant over.
Good post...
I really think if there were more zane like bodies, this thing would be a little more mainstream
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Let me help shed a little light here boys...
Bodybuilding wasn't accepted or any more popular back when Zane was competing with their "more appealing" physiques....
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Let me help shed a little light here boys...
Bodybuilding wasn't accepted or any more popular back when Zane was competing with their "more appealing" physiques....
I think if people where to choose they would pick the old timers over todays bodybuilders.
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Well let's look at what Jay offers as far as a PR standpoint, A. Something the last "champ" lacked, education and the ability to understand him when he speaks, so will be a good spokes man, B. He does have that all american look, blond and blue eyed, I know the jaw jokes will start now, but whatever, he will appeal to more people, C. A family man with family values, blue collar, kinda like the everyday man who beat the unbeatable champ. But let's be serious, bb will never go "main stream", the average person does not want to look like that, so really will appeal more to the die hard or average fan, actually the "average" person does not even understand why we do what we do, lift big, they don't get it, they don't enjoy the pain or glory of lifting heavy weight or the dediction it takes to get big, only the freaks like us get it.
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Well let's look at what Jay offers as far as a PR standpoint, A. Something the last "champ" lacked, education and the ability to understand him when he speaks, so will be a good spokes man, B. He does have that all american look, blond and blue eyed, I know the jaw jokes will start now, but whatever, he will appeal to more people, C. A family man with family values, blue collar, kinda like the everyday man who beat the unbeatable champ. But let's be serious, bb will never go "main stream", the average person does not want to look like that, so really will appeal more to the die hard or average fan, actually the "average" person does not even understand why we do what we do, lift big, they don't get it, they don't enjoy the pain or glory of lifting heavy weight or the dediction it takes to get big, only the freaks like us get it.
It's all about how you can sell it to audiences. Arnold sold it because A)He had great personality B)He loved bodybuilding very much.
He would talk to audiences about the great benefits from bodybuilding and how much it enhanced his life.
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Let me help shed a little light here boys...
Bodybuilding wasn't accepted or any more popular back when Zane was competing with their "more appealing" physiques....
Well i didnt know that as im 24 years old. i just thought from a marketing standpoint what might be more appealing to women. Because they are 50% of the popuation. Bodies like frank zane are more attractive to women bottom line.
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Jay may not be charasmatic, but he carries himself well, has taste in dress, speaks thoughtfully and has the all-american good looks. He could do some real good.
Jay does not have "all-american good looks". All-American good looks requires having symmetrical and attractive facial features. Jay's distorted GH induced face is clearly not something that the majority of people find above average in terms of looks.
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What does Jay need to do to get the "personality to match the physique".
1. Acting Lessons?
2. Smoke some weed? ;D
3. Be seen to mix more with the general population?
4. Get more regular TV spots.. including but not limited to WWE?
5. Be more outspoken or contraversial in the BB press.
discuss!
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It's all about how you can sell it to audiences. Arnold sold it because A)He had great personality B)He loved bodybuilding very much.
He would talk to audiences about the great benefits from bodybuilding and how much it enhanced his life.
Yeah, while also denying he took drugs. Bodybuilding was no more popular back then that it is now.
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Yeah, while also denying he took drugs. Bodybuilding was no more popular back then that it is now.
True... he denied the drugs... but I'm sure Weider told him to...
I'd say it was more popular by the time he had left it... When it started, no... but once he moved into movies... the "weight lifting" lifestyles became more prevalent... Arnold had a LOT to do with that.