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he's not big enough to do the red x dance
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he's not big enough to do the red x dance
works now?
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imgur doesn't work here on Getbig
Have to tinypic it or just write the link
http://i.imgur.com/mX6or2T.gif (Press enter in the adress after clicking)
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any particular reason why the best image upload site in the world doesn't work on getbig? lol
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I see it and it's glorious. Compound movements ftw.
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any particular reason why the best image upload site in the world doesn't work on getbig? lol
We've wondered about this for ages.
Have to ask Ron about that :D
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Maybe because Ron doesnt like geeks who post 75 pics and gifs in a row every time someone mentions big asses
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He likes his bitches with ewok fur asscrack. Ron is Old School.
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He likes his bitches with ewok fur asscrack. Ron is Old School.
Truth be told
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imgur doesn't work here on Getbig
Have to tinypic it or just write the link
http://i.imgur.com/mX6or2T.gif (Press enter in the adress after clicking)
to the mods, is there some way to fix this?
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Maybe because Ron doesnt like geeks who post 75 pics and gifs in a row every time someone mentions big asses
HAHA ;D
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crossfit
kipping pull ups
not kipping press downs
real strength for the real world
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Maybe because Ron doesnt like geeks who post 75 pics and gifs in a row every time someone mentions big asses
I heard that we can post Imgur links to orange chicken and fitness chicks. This should work.
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WOW! That's intimidating for sure lol.
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One of the funniest gif ever! ;D
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Krohdaddy.
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;D
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Hahahahah.....that's hilarious. One of the best gif's ever!
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Please inform us what you eat and what diet strategies you employ. We have heard you talk about fasting after pigging out on a cheat, but can you elaborate on your dieting strategies?
This can also be used as an appreciation thread.
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Here is an even easier one-Eat 1800-2600 calories every day.
or for the real fatsos.
Eat Less.
The first one will get you ripped as you want.
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I've been helping a friend of mine into losing some weight, she has lost 20 pounds in 6 weeks with the OTH-galeniko principles (low carb and some other stuff) :D I will make a thread about it if she continues with the diet.
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Here is an even easier one-Eat 1800-2600 calories every day.
or for the real fatsos.
Eat Less.
The first one will get you ripped as you want.
What kind of steroids do you have to take?
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What kind of steroids do you have to take?
None. Ever.
Is eating less beyond your mental capacity (let alone physical) or something? What the hell is wrong with you or anyone who can`t eat 1800-2600 calories day in and day out? ???
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None. Ever.
Is eating less beyond your mental capacity (let alone physical) or something? What the hell is wrong with you or anyone who can`t eat 1800-2600 calories day in and day out? ???
What the hell is wrong with a man that prefers to be small and effeminate?
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None. Ever.
Is eating less beyond your mental capacity (let alone physical) or something? What the hell is wrong with you or anyone who can`t eat 1800-2600 calories day in and day out? ???
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semen straight from the tap every 2 hours to keep metabolism up :D
nah, ill do this tomorow, off to sleep now.
you mean, for fatloss, or to maintain a very low fat bf %?
ill do both anyway.
for bulking , i suggest to take up cswol expertise,though :D
Both. As much info as possible for getbiggers to dissect and learn from.
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Both. As much info as possible for getbiggers to dissect and learn from.
Cut out bread, white carbs, beer, sugar, etc
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Cut out bread, white carbs, beer, sugar, etc
Good advice, but you might as well go keto then right? Keto works great for me personally I just don't like to eat so much meat.
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What the hell is wrong with a man that prefers to be small and effeminate?
I am stronger than you pound for pound and I am pretty sure you have never Deadlifted (600) or been able to Olympic Squat Ass to Ground (470 lbs) what I have done.
When are you going to diet down?
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Good advice, but you might as well go keto then right? Keto works great for me personally I just don't like to eat so much meat.
Not at all - I eat some carbs daily - but carbs are kept to a minimum
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Cut out bread, white carbs, beer, sugar, etc
Why cut out anything? Its not necessary at all.
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Not at all - I eat some carbs daily - but carbs are kept to a minimum
So mainly cut out processed foods.
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So you are insinuating someone has to take steroids in order to eat between 1800-2600 calories? ???
I thought you knew better than this. ???
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I see diet advice being given out here but none by the person the thread was intended for.
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So mainly cut out processed foods.
Its worked for me. Cant ay for everyone. Im down almost 45 lbs from last year - not much muscle loss. Still look full w veins and cuts - no roids
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So mainly cut out processed foods.
Anything Frozen, put in a can, in a package or has salt in it is "processed".
If you did that, you would be left eating nothing.
Furthermore I bet most of Getbig doesn`t realize that they are eating shitty Chicken Breasts in Sodium Solutions. (I know they buy the cheap stuff, some even by the most disgusting Chicken found in a Frozen Bag)
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So you are insinuating someone has to take steroids in order to eat between 1800-2600 calories? ???
I thought you knew better than this. ???
No I still can't believe you're peddling you're just eat less bs. This coming from a guy who said he's eating a 1400 c deficit just to play it safe. ::)
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No I still can't believe you're peddling you're just eat less bs. This coming from a guy who said he's eating a 1400 c deficit just to play it safe. ::)
How would I even know I was in a 1400 calorie deficit? How would anyone know given that activity levels may vary rather starkly from day to day?
I can get ripped on 2600 easily because I am not lazy. I actually have things to do and train hard. You might be lazy and need less calories. No idea if that is the case. I could easily eat more, but 2600 I feel is an adequate amount and there is no reason for me to increase calories at this point.
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Here is what I ate so far today:
Nestle Drumstick Chocolate with Peanuts
Chobani Lime Greek Yogurt
720 Calories Blue Bell Ice Cream- Southern Hospitality and Century Sundae
2 1/4 pound Hamburgers with Cheese and Carolina Sauce that I made.
I still have about 300 calories left to eat today.
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How would I even know I was in a 1400 calorie deficit? How would anyone know given that activity levels may vary rather starkly from day to day?
I can get ripped on 2600 easily because I am not lazy. I actually have things to do and train hard. You might be lazy and need less calories. No idea if that is the case. I could easily eat more, but 2600 I feel is an adequate amount and there is no reason for me to increase calories at this point.
Hey you're the one said it. You said you're maintenance was 4000. Dude you're all over the place with what you say you can't even remember. Lol yeah everyone here is going to count every calorie they eat per day. Oh brother. ::).
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Here is what I ate so far today:
Nestle Drumstick Chocolate with Peanuts
Chobani Lime Greek Yogurt
720 Calories Blue Bell Ice Cream- Southern Hospitality and Century Sundae
2 1/4 pound Hamburgers with Cheese and Carolina Sauce that I made.
I still have about 300 calories left to eat today.
Seriously man who gives a fuck.
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Come on Adonis, you know what I meant by processed. Bleached and such is what I mean. Lets stay on task and not split hairs. Bag of frozen brokkli is not considered processed for this discussion.
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Hey you're the one said it. You said you're maintenance was 4000. Dude you're all over the place with what you say you can't even remember. Lol yeah everyone here is going to count every calorie they eat per day. Oh brother. ::).
I can eat 4000 if I do landscaping work on my property daily easily combined with training. I take it you have never taken care of any sizable portion of land before.
I`m not all over the map. My caloric needs vary depending on my activity. I will be in a much greater defecit in the summer when I have outside work to do than I will be in the winter.
I am not like you, living on a postage stamp sized lot with no where to go and nothing to do. ;)
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Come on Adonis, you know what I meant by processed. Bleached and such is what I mean. Lets stay on task and not split hairs. Bag of frozen brokkli is not considered processed for this discussion.
I will give you a tip. ONLY use Bleached Flour when baking a cake. It makes the texture much better and leads to a finer and more delicate crumb. I prefer Bleached Flour in nearly everything actually.
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I can eat 4000 if I do landscaping work on my property daily easily combined with training. I take it you have never taken care of any sizable portion of land before.
I`m not all over the map. My caloric needs vary depending on my activity. I will be in a much greater defecit in the summer when I have outside work to do than I will be in the winter.
I am not like you, living on a postage stamp sized lot with no where to go and nothing to do. ;)
Hahahahaaaa can't even imagine living everyday trying to figure out what to eat based on my activity for the day. Man you're so confused about eating. It doesn't have to be that hard.
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Come on Adonis, you know what I meant by processed. Bleached and such is what I mean. Lets stay on task and not split hairs. Bag of frozen brokkli is not considered processed for this discussion.
The first pic is August 2012 - Others April 2013 - present
No roids - no gimmicks - nothing but diet and working out differently
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Hahahahaaaa can't even imagine living everyday trying to figure out what to eat based on my activity for the day. Man you're so confused about eating. It doesn't have to be that hard.
I don`t have to. 2600 calories takes care of all of it.
YOU seem to be the one concerned with all of that. Not I.
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Please inform us what you eat and what diet strategies you employ. We have heard you talk about fasting after pigging out on a cheat, but can you elaborate on your dieting strategies?
This can also be used as an appreciation thread.
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I though Mooshell Obama had it all figured out?
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quote author=calfzilla link=topic=480786.msg6819739#msg6819739 date=1369883833]
Please inform us what you eat and what diet strategies you employ. We have heard you talk about fasting after pigging out on a cheat, but can you elaborate on your dieting strategies?
This can also be used as an appreciation thread.
I though Mooshell Obama had it all figured out?
I believe she is working primarily with fat elementary school children. Doubt she knows much about nutritional needs of adult bodybuilders.
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I don`t have to. 2600 calories takes care of all of it.
YOU seem to be the one concerned with all of that. Not I.
Why in the world would anyone have to live their life counting calories everyday??? Beyond ridiculous. There are people on his planet that never pay attention to what they eat and never gain or lose a pound all their life and their activity levels vary greatly from day to day. Gee I wonder how they do it. ??? ::)
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Why in the world would anyone have to live their life counting calories everyday??? Beyond ridiculous. There are people on his planet that never pay attention to what they eat and never gain or lose a pound all their life and their activity levels vary greatly from day to day. Gee I wonder how they do it. ??? ::)
I don`t mind doing it at all and its easy. I couldn`t imagine living life with your strange approaches and not being able to eat anything good. I don`t care that you like to do that, that is your business. I could never do it nor would I ever want to. There would be no point and no advantage whatsoever for me to do so.
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I don`t mind doing it at all and its easy. I couldn`t imagine living life with your strange approaches and not being able to eat anything good. I don`t care that you like to do that, that is your business. I could never do it nor would I ever want to. There would be no point and no advantage whatsoever for me to do so.
You once again missed my point. Lol millions of people on this planet eat whatever they want every day and stay the same weight and have zero clue as to what a calorie even is. You are trying make eating into some kind of math project. ;D
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I am stronger than you pound for pound and I am pretty sure you have never Deadlifted (600) or been able to Olympic Squat Ass to Ground (470 lbs) what I have done.
When are you going to diet down?
Will we ever see vids of these beastly natural lifts?
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You once again missed my point. Lol millions of people on this planet eat whatever they want every day and stay the same weight and have zero clue as to what a calorie even is. You are trying make eating into some kind of math project. ;D
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Your point? You are acting as if eating only enough to remain in a caloric deficit while meeting nutritional needs is beyond the reach of anyone despite millions doing it every day. You have also devised your own restrictive methods that any normal person would have difficulty following. (my opinion) Its too restrictive and not enjoyable.
Also, for 6-7 months I don`t bother keeping track of calories. Furthermore, I wouldn`t even have to keep track when getting lean. I have done this so long that I can accurately estimate calories to the T.
I prefer to be accurate though as it takes absolutely no time to do so.
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Your point? You are acting as if eating only enough to remain in a caloric deficit while meeting nutritional needs is beyond the reach of anyone despite millions doing it every day. You have also devised your own restrictive methods that any normal person would have difficulty following. (my opinion) Its too restrictive and not enjoyable.
Also, for 6-7 months I don`t bother keeping track of calories. Furthermore, I wouldn`t even have to keep track when getting lean. I have done this so long that I can accurately estimate calories to the T.
I prefer to be accurate though as it takes absolutely no time to do so.
If this was the old south would you has slapped me on the face with a glove by now? ;D
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If this was the old south would you has slapped me on the face with a glove by now? ;D
:D
Even though we go head to head all the time, I still respect you and think you are one of the best posters here. Your methods will do what you say they will and anyone who thinks different is wrong.
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I also think any method that changes the way a person is used to eating will be somewhat difficult for them, no matter which approach.
People don`t like to change nor are they willing to do what is required usually. Humans are habitual creatures and literally have to be FORCED to do things at times. (hence the many laws created designed to protect ourselves from ourselves which are completely unnecessary in my opinion)
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Even though we go head to head all the time, I still respect you and think you are one of the best posters here. Your methods will do what you say they will and anyone who thinks different is wrong.
Same here man at the end of the day it's cool. I still reserve the right to debate and even mess with you from time to time. ;D
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I also think any method that changes the way a person is used to eating will be somewhat difficult for them, no matter which approach.
People don`t like to change nor are they willing to do what is required usually. Humans are habitual creatures and literally have to be FORCED to do things at times. (hence the many laws created designed to protect ourselves from ourselves which are completely unnecessary in my opinion)
On the same page there especially about the laws. The one about the soft drink in ny comes to mind.
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true adonis is trolling you
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Hexagram people will talk your ear off.
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true adonis is trolling you
What if I told you that I am trolling you by making you think I am trolling you, therefore in effect, you are really just trolling yourself and its not really me, but you that is trolling (yourself of course).
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simplier ,,,for general leaness or size depending on your needs,eat protein/carbs/fats each individual varies ,what u choose in terms of foods should be clean type eating in general ,not fried/over indulging in sweets /unnecessary carbs 'you are trying to have/show a good physique 'look in the mirror its your best friend in the end..adjust from there.
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What if I told you that I am trolling you by making you think I am trolling you, therefore in effect, you are really just trolling yourself and its not really me, but you that is trolling (yourself of course).
id laugh :)
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simplier ,,,for general leaness or size depending on your needs,eat protein/carbs/fats each individual varies ,what u choose in terms of foods should be clean type eating in general ,not fried/over indulging in sweets /unnecessary carbs 'you are trying to have/show a good physique 'look in the mirror its your best friend in the end..adjust from there.
It doesn't matter if its processed, low GI, high GI. No difference whatsoever.
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It doesn't matter if its processed, low GI, high GI. No difference whatsoever.
agree with last 2,,processed everything for the most part is,but u should try to keep less processed in..generally speaking.
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or just eat a bit less each day for three months
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Great post - this is almost to a tee what i have been doing since last year with but more emphasis on HIIT type workouts
ok, here goes:
-first off, no t3, no efedrina, no gh is needed, the best drugs for dieting is sheer willpower, you must be happy and looking forward to become shredded.
-dont be a mentaly weak pussy, dont even ask about cheat meals,just do not, i have been at 5-7% bodyfat for 2+ years in a row.i know perfectly what it takes to do this.
-do not ask any bullshit question about which drug is best for cutting, and fuck if you think tren burns fat you got the wrong mindset and should stop reading right here.its not about drugs, with good diet,any drug will work.even natural it will work.so the drug question is out of the window, any steroid will work.no steroids will work too.one thing is ,if steroids, take only as little as is needed.nobody with less mass than me needs more than hrt, they only need more time.
-if one wants to do this on gear, make sure to be clean before starting, or if one wants to come from a bulk into this, then double the dosage or you will not so very good.this wont produce mass monsters, so spare me the "small" comments, this is about how to get lean.
-dieting fucking sucks, thats why i think the most radical way is best, in order to be done with the dieting business asap.generaly fatloss takes much longer than people wish it would, and the half assed diets with cheat allowances just extend the dieting unecessarily.
your metablism will not slow down, you dont nee to "boost" metabolism with cheat days, you do not need a carb up, stop this bullshit.
-your muscle wont wither away during dieting, its just that ppl wish they had more mass than they really do, the fat fucks are much smaller than they tjhink.yes, you will feel small in clothes, oh yes.as long theres enough protein and you train, the muscle is not going anywhere.
you will be flat some days, but just stay cool.you will think a carb up is necesary to feel fuller.stop this bullshit excuse thinking, salt will make you feel fuller too.its all the mind playing tricks on you.
-naturals will need bit more fat for this diet.maybe 50gramms fat extra per day.50gramms is nothing in your mouth, but alot on calorie scale, dont overdo it, 50 gramms is little.
-cardio yes or no, up to you.not needed, but can acclerate the effect.be active in general, walk alot.
-starting point doesnt matter if youre at 15%,25%,10%.just crash into the diet straight away, no weak minded slowly entering the diet by slowly reducing calories, dont fool yourselves.
muscle loss can happen if one chooses to go under 6%, this cant be denied.but 6% is very extreme lean enough.
-dont even check the scale, all that counts is the mirror.
-dont even count calories, just have the same shit every day.
-3 meals,6 meals, 1 meal, it doesnt matter, do what you like best.never eat when not hungry.
-when hunger comes(dont confuse hunger with apetite, hunger is when stomach is empty and feels like itll implode,apetite is when a disgusting fatso swine feels like eating again).wait out the next meal as long as possible.fight the hunger attacks with water, diet coke, brushing teeth, chewing on coffee beans(very disgusting but great apetite anihilator),cigaretes,whatever.
then eat .then wait again.
-if you have a meltdown and several 1000calories binge, dont worry, shit happens, do a full body workout on that day, each bodypart 2 sets of 50 reps, to make that glycogen go away somewhat.and wait before the next meal until you have shit out every last calorie of that binge.this can take way over 24hrs.be strong,wait it out.then return to normal meals.
-train hard, none of this high rep bullshit.hard doesnt mean heavy.train smart.
-now how much protein.if youre about 200 lbs bodyweight total, have 200-300gramms protein.my proetien sources are tuna, chicken breast, turkey.
it dont matter if its 2 or 3oo you will be hungry as hell anyway all day.
-i hope i dont need to mention that you shouldnt ever drink sugary drinks,drink water, diet coke, put aspartame into water if you like,i do that.helps alot.spare me comments about aspartame being unhealthy, fuck yourself if you just felt an urge to say so.
-how many carbs?what carbs?well,have all carbs from veggies, period.no bread, no pasta,no rice.if you have 100-150gramms carbs from veggies, thatll be good enough to get down to 8% failry quick.if you have 50-10gramms carb from vegiess youll get there faster,to go under 8%, easiest way is to reduce carbs to 0-50gramms a day.
-fats?how many fats?traces.have a whole egg here and there, 1or 2 nuts(not the whole fucking package, not 20 nuts,1 or 2), salmon fish fat.dont do this balonie a spoon of oil.no need to load up on extra fats.just have traces,the body needs them.
obviously on higher carbs days, you reduce rotein and vice versa.
-no cheat days.do you understand?no cheat days.cheat days are for later on ,fomaintenance.
ok this was it for fat loss.ill do later the one for maintancae.
but yeah once shredded, and do cheats meals and start to get fatter, just return to this diet untill shredded again, you be back to shape within days.most important is to get lean once and then never let yourself go too fat again, this way you be lean all year.
if one feels weak and like cheating on diet, go off steroids, your enot doing yourself any favours.
-getting there is the hard part, staying there is easy as shit, relatively.
you wont gain size on this, but thats not the point.later on one can add size by ways of cheat days or meals, so to say short term bulks.
you can listen to advice of anyone you like, but remember the galeniko has been shredded for 2 years straight non stop.not just abs showing throug skn somewhat, but veins all over striated shoulders anytime, etc.in layman terms, i backed up the words with action.
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TRAINING IS IMPORTANT,BUT THE EATING IS WHAT SEPERATES AT LEAST VISUALLY IF THATS THE LOOK UR GOING FOR A MUST,,,I KNOW THE GUYS THAT SAY SIZE WHO CARE'S ABOUT ABS HAVE THERE SAY,,,
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Good stuff Gal 8)
Grace us with the next installment, how to grow whilst remaining under 10% BF!
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Thanks galeniko, lots of good information. You're a good dude.
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Gal - what are your thoughts on how much water to drink a day and does it matter?
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powerlifters ;D
oh btw, someone who hasnt even traine dfor a year naturaly and dont know proper training and no strenght foundation whatsoever, he best disregard any diet advice, just eat and train until he learns the basics.dieting is pointless before that
Powerlifters? Weightlifters?
Like I've said many times here, welcome to XXI century
(http://cdn.stronglifts.com/wp-content/uploads/ivan-stoitsov.jpg)
I competed in powerlifting and trust me, there are tons of shredded to the fucking bone guys lifting heavy weights there.
Weight limits is the key word. Less fat + same weight = more muscle. More muscle = more strength. It's not MOST important thing (CNS adaptation is more important) but it helps and these fuckers do whatever it takes.
I thought I was lean for a powerlifter. Fuck no.
Before competition everyone is on diet.
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or just eat a bit less each day for three months
people hear this everyday and the reality is they fail everyday when they hear this.
THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT VARIABLE IN DIETING IS; MENTALITY.
You need to be excited and you need momentum so guidlines like galinko out lined will work when givan to 10 people, maybe only one will fail.
Now if you give the advice "just eat less" they will all fail. See the difference, MORALE needs to be strong and a simple ''just eat less'' does not strengthen MORALE
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diet is really simple
its the mental battle that people lose
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diet is really simple
its the mental battle that people lose
This thread is useless without Galenkio spamming another thread with his pictures.
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This thread is useless without Galenkio spamming another thread with his pictures.
he even has started adding videos
he makes groink look modest ;D
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Here is another simple rule: If you like to eat more, just do more. Meaning, if you want to eat 4000 calories or whatever daily, just make sure you are doing enough activity to equal it.
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Here is another simple rule: If you like to eat more, just do more. Meaning, if you want to eat 4000 calories or whatever daily, just make sure you are doing enough activity to equal it.
Pleeeeaaazzzee...that's way to easy to understand!
....amazing that in the summer when it's warmer and I walk the golf course,play softball,run and do a couple of warrior dash's I lose weight even though I eat the same or more ;)
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Pleeeeaaazzzee...that's way to easy to understand!
....amazing that in the summer when it's warmer and I walk the golf course,play softball,run and do a couple of warrior dash's I lose weight even though I eat the same or more ;)
Getting in before SS. ::)
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Here is another simple rule: If you like to eat more, just do more. Meaning, if you want to eat 4000 calories or whatever daily, just make sure you are doing enough activity to equal it.
agreed if you are very active you can eat shit loads
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Getting in before SS, ::)
Who ???
...pip :(
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agreed if you are very active you can eat shit loads
Are you saying your losing weight pwowning dji'llneverweight181 and shitdrunkzo?!
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Are you saying your losing weight pwowning dji'llneverweight181 and shitdrunkzo?!
more like losing the will to live ;D
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more like losing the will to live ;D
Ok.I actually lol'd at this ;D
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Can a natural still gain muscle (I know, I know, "hahahaha"), while dropping weight? I keep hearing mixed things about '10% BF limits" and when natty, can only gain muscle while "bulking".
I have no interesting in cycling bulking/cutting, prefer lean look. That said, I don't want to always be shrinking. I need what little muscle I have managed to attain.
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Can a natural still gain muscle (I know, I know, "hahahaha"), while dropping weight? I keep hearing mixed things about '10% BF limits" and when natty, can only gain muscle while "bulking".
I have no interesting in cycling bulking/cutting, prefer lean look. That said, I don't want to always be shrinking. I need what little muscle I have managed to attain.
Yes. Its called progressive training. Find ways to increase your poundage, sets, reps, intensity in the gym.
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Who ???
...pip :(
I think chaos probably took him out, being the resident bodyguard.
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Here is another tip.
If you are feeling hungry at any time, drink a lot of water and then go do something physical outside. Something with a task and a goal. You will forget that you were ever hungry in the first place. Sitting around won`t help you.
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Galeniko, you make awesome posts thank you
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failenko eats shit, hth
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hahahahah ;D
other than that, the upcoming maintenance approach ill post later on will be good enough for natural to maybe gain slwly somewhat with focus on staying lean.
bulking id never do as natural, for when dieted back down, youll lok the same again.
not saying natty dont look good when lean btw.
Over the last year, at 6"3' I went from a soft 245 to a tighter 200. All of my weights have increased (not by all that much, though). Mostly through different and more consistent training, finally getting my diet in order and realizing that I would much rather look good than eat shit food.
That said, I am only about 5-10 pounds out (190-195) to where I would probably look as good as I can and I want to maintain abs while trying to put on size.
All without gear, ofc. Possible, or is this the folly of the natty again?
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GALI LIGHTING IT UP HERE 8)...
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something like hrt will put on 10-20lbs of pure lean muscle on the maxed out natural frame.
Sigh.
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TA owning minds in this thread.
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That diet sounds like a psmf , but with carbs..
I'm currently on 1000 cal a day of almost all protein and lots of greens, and it fckin sucks. But strength isn't down much and I lost 13lbs in a week.
A good strategy is not eat like a little pig and look at cswols pics on a regular basis for motivation.
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I like food in general and to sit down and eat big high caloric meals :) till I feel full, and that makes it harder to diet.
I often feel that I eat to much. But therefore I been staying in shape all my life.
TA seems to be in full control over his food planing. I on the other hand have to come up with different way of managing my appetite.
Do any of you believe in intermittent fasting? Or tried to eat only every other day, that way you get to eat really big meals, albeit more seldom.
Worth it?
I'd like to try TAs model of keeping track of calories and spreading them out as I see fit for that day. I'm amazing at this ability to have this strategic execution of such plans.
How do one go about acquiring this mindset? Nobody is born with this mindset.
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1000 kcals sounds really low. When I bother to figure it out, I usually take in about 2400-2600 kcal/day. About 250g protein and about 150g carbs, maybe 100g fats. I have been slowly losing weight while trying to keep the strength up. It took me about 14 months to lose 45 pounds. Mostly "paleo" type of eating.
My activity level, for a sedentary executive, is pretty high with daily HIIT and weights.
I have been experimenting with daily IF for about 4 weeks now. I will probably do it for another 4 weeks. I don't eat for 14 hours after dinner and train fasted in the early morning. The jury is out, but I have lost a few more pounds and don't feel weaker in the gym. Dunno if there has been any muscle loss. I would fucking cry if there was. I sweat blood for every ounce of muscle.
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I like food in general and to sit down and eat big high caloric meals :) till I feel full, and that makes it harder to diet.
I often feel that I eat to much. But therefore I been staying in shape all my life.
TA seems to be in full control over his food planing. I on the other hand have to come up with different way of managing my appetite.
Do any of you believe in intermittent fasting? Or tried to eat only every other day, that way you get to eat really big meals, albeit more seldom.
Worth it?
I'd like to try TAs model of keeping track of calories and spreading them out as I see fit for that day. I'm amazing at this ability to have this strategic execution of such plans.
How do one go about acquiring this mindset? Nobody is born with this mindset.
Good questions! Bump for answers.
Another thing I rather have like 1000 calories of green peas and bananas than snickers bars. For some reason I always been thinking calories from natural whole foods are better than candy bar calories, this too TA have completely managed to ignore, how brave and bold is that!
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hahahahah ;D
no serious, a natural can gain muscle while losing fat, but only for short while and under the following circumstances imo:
no training at all for months,ie out of shape
absolute shit diet during that time.
if he gets back training and eats well, it will happen.
Galeniko advising natural bodybuilders ,hahaha
What's next ?
10 ways to improve your work ethic by Wiggs
5 simple pieces of career advice from TBombz
Oh brother ::)
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progressive training works well when you always add 5 pounds to you strenth every workout
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hey hey, geyche, i have my fair share of natural and clean times under my belt :D
yeah, as if one could just get stronger and stronger forever.
yeah progressive training is key you have to get stronger everyworkout so it will work you could gain for ever
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hey hey, geyche, i have my fair share of natural and clean times under my belt :D
yeah, as if one could just get stronger and stronger forever.
If the strength levels off of an exercise another way to force gains is to take whatever your strongest numbers are and set a time limit and try to complete as many reps with that weight as you can in that time limit. Then try to get more total reps in that time limit each time. Many different ways to maximize training.
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excellent advice from galeniko
In the end i find eating good food and not in a gluttonous manner while keeping active = fat loss
The problem with the fat loss comes when you want to have a cheat meal or "carb up".... this is usually when things start going down hill
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excellent advice from galeniko
In the end i find eating good food and not in a gluttonous manner while keeping active = fat loss
The problem with the fat loss comes when you want to have a cheat meal or "carb up".... this is usually when things start going down hill
Why would it go downhill? Why wouldn`t you just go back to what you were doing before you overate?
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Why would it go downhill? Why wouldn`t you just go back to what you were doing before you overate?
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Galeniko-
Do you think that your dieting strategies would work for someone with shitty genetics/someone who gets flabby easily?
BTW GREAT POST.
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look at you Galeniko, fucken GB nutrition guru now. :D
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look at you Galeniko, fucken GB nutrition guru now. :D
Who else is there ???
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He is Joe Weider's ghost.
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Who else is there ???
considering i make galeniko look like an old fat guy... :D
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GREAT posts galeniko!
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Mucho nice Gal.....
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video
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130510_184045_zps5ade385f.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130510_184045_zps5ade385f.mp4)
abs polished
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130424_015754_zps0ef40af7.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130424_015754_zps0ef40af7.jpg.html)
from finger to shoulder, an anatomy view
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130423_045549_zps6763513e.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130423_045549_zps6763513e.jpg.html)
yesterday, check the biceps insertion,the one facing back, see the tendon?this is tendon,muscle and skin and nothing else
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130530_002902_zpsfa67eb01.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130530_002902_zpsfa67eb01.jpg.html)
lights out. best midsection on this site bar none son! ;)
(http://s23.postimg.org/rnrv609mz/i44oe9.jpg)
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bouncer must be bored,,,revived same old,,,
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bouncer must be bored,,,revived same old,,,
stay tuned honey. 8)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=465904.msg6821171#msg6821171
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sick arm/abs g,,,,,
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bouncer, galeniko has head with full hair, careful with the dosages bro ;D ;D
haha, I am still good for now. Nizoral 2% shampoo is my friend! ;D
(http://s24.postimg.org/8nl0jxj9x/m4j_ABFll.jpg)
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thx man, this is a honest collection of years and years of experience and many trial failures.
btw, one cheat meal,no matter how big it is, if you fast afterwards and return to diet, will not have any bad impact really.even better if you been fasted before that meal.
for me, if i do a whole cheat day, on same calories, the results are catastrophic, comparing to one big meal.im talking about 10lbs water gain overnight.
This. One fucked up meal wont affect me. I eat like shit for the day, I'm waterlogged for two days after.
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stay tuned too,brother, im training injury free now, no little pains no nothing, able to go full out
no gh either, hence, natural :D
sans the gh, what are you on exactly?
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Why would it go downhill? Why wouldn`t you just go back to what you were doing before you overate?
eating carbs can trigger cravings and binge eating especially sugars
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eating carbs can trigger cravings and binge eating especially sugars
Every time.
I took a bite out of my son's bloody gingerbread man the other day, and immediately felt like pillaging the biscuit tin afterwards haha. I had to grab a huge glass of water to get it off my mind!
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sometimes, a bonbon, some pice with 5gramms of sugars,have initiated a 20k calories binge festival for me
brutal
then, when you notice this wont end well, you try some fat for saturation effect, but it jst fails, the fatty fod will have some salt to it, and this triggers even more.haha ;D
Question - when you fuck up - how many lbs of water can you expect to hold and for how long? Also - how many lbs does a carb up add generally for glycogen?
I had a 6 lb swing the last few days and can only trace it to some hi sodium pork and beans and some pasta salad.
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Great thread!
I agree with this method. I've been eating 2k calories with very low carbs since March and i've lost 14 pounds with zero cardio. I'm only running 300mg Sust and 600mg EQ. After heavy meals i fast for 12-16 hours and i've also been training on an empty stomach. My workouts are fantastic. Every morning i wake up tight and veins everywhere. My girlfriend is jealous that i'm losing weight with almost zero effort.
No cheat days, a few cheat meals going out with my girl. No cardio. No complaining. Just suck it up when you are hungry and deal with it. After a few weeks the hunger isn't a problem. I typically eat 4-5k calories a day, but i've cut it back to 2500 max since March. I eat a pretty clean diet, no junk food, very limited sugars. Low protein as well, i'd be surprised if i got 150g of protein in a day.
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Great thread!
I agree with this method. I've been eating 2k calories with very low carbs since March and i've lost 14 pounds with zero cardio. I'm only running 300mg Sust and 600mg EQ. After heavy meals i fast for 12-16 hours and i've also been training on an empty stomach. My workouts are fantastic. Every morning i wake up tight and veins everywhere. My girlfriend is jealous that i'm losing weight with almost zero effort.
No cheat days, a few cheat meals going out with my girl. No cardio. No complaining. Just suck it up when you are hungry and deal with it. After a few weeks the hunger isn't a problem. I typically eat 4-5k calories a day, but i've cut it back to 2500 max since March. I eat a pretty clean diet, no junk food, very limited sugars. Low protein as well, i'd be surprised if i got 150g of protein in a day.
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it works....
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Same here Overload.
All I did was cut out 600 kcals a day, 0 cardio, starting around 8 weeks back and I am down 24 pounds.
0 Carb cycling, 0 cheat days.
Just limit my carbs to 100g daily, eat as much protein as is convenient, and don't eat sugar at all (where can help it).
Occasionally i'll eat a mars bar, or a double cheese, or mcflurry, but like ONCE per week - no binging, no cheat days.
A calorie is a calorie, and i'm burning about 4000 worth in bodyfat per week ;D
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eating carbs can trigger cravings and binge eating especially sugars
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You don`t have control over binge eating? ???
How come I don`t have the urge to binge on anything and I eat whatever I want?
If you know you can eat whatever you want, whenever you want, you have no reason to binge whatsoever. Its your restrictive practices that ruin you it seems.
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I shut guys like you down everyday at the gym, you walk in gym thinking your fluffer abs makes you the stud of the gym, or they show up with their workout partner telling them how big they are but only weigh 208, or they show up with their girlfriend wearing a tank top like they are impressive at 230 lbs..............then bammm..........CSWOL walks in, starts hitting sets and weight, and proceed to come stand right next to them, and make them realize today wasnt going to be the day they planned in the gym, their abs go flat, they walk around wondering what lift they can do to make them magically become 290 lbs, but figure out no lift will get them there, their workout partner gets demotivated and stops lifting, and quits chanting getbig, easy weight, getbig, then their girlfriend continually jocks realizing her boyfriend is a 228 lb twink who looks like a stick next to a 285 lb monster, yeah galeniko, hate to break the news to ya brother, stop concentrating on abs so much, because the rest of your body is becoming small, no smoke and mirrors here mate!
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I have almost 100 lbs on you brother make all the remarks and excuses you want, only one thing happening if u was in the gym, ya gettin shut down!
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You are delusional white trash, fatso mother fucking retard that doesn't know when to put down the fork.
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I just go stand next to fuckers like you and galeniko and start laughing loud as fuck while you try to figure out what the fuck your gona do because your whole manhood has been crushed
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would you laugh in this twinks face ???
(http://www.proboxing-fans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/hearns-si-cover.jpg)
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I laugh in anyones face, you learn after years on a prison yard not one human being on this earth, man, woman, will ever dictate anything you do
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omg, this is beyond pathetic.. ;D
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Cswol, what is your mile time. Just curious.
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I hope all members could get along.
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is this for real or just a troll?
your waistline is wider than your shoulders, bro.
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(http://cdn.thesandtrap.com/b/b8/b8bfa76e_george-eating-popcorn.gif)
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cswol you said we could learn a few things from this video
i think you can also learn a few things on bench press form from this video
sincerely
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Cswol, were you someones wife in prison?
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(http://cdn.thesandtrap.com/b/b8/b8bfa76e_george-eating-popcorn.gif)
HAHAHAAA...
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This...
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130424_015754_zps0ef40af7.jpg)
or this..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480984.0;attach=520297;image)
Hmmmmm....
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Cswol, what is your mile time. Just curious.
I imagine he could roll down a hill pretty quickly.
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I imagine he could roll down a hill pretty quickly.
:D
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Normally I think Cswol gets picked on and it's a bit mean.
Today I realize he completely deserves all of it.
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ct's bench form is amazing
talking while resting 180kg on chest
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to be fair his face doesnt look like he has Ragu for blood anymore
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I shut guys like you down everyday at the gym, you walk in gym thinking your fluffer abs makes you the stud of the gym, or they show up with their workout partner telling them how big they are but only weigh 208, or they show up with their girlfriend wearing a tank top like they are impressive at 230 lbs..............then bammm..........CSWOL walks in, starts hitting sets and weight, and proceed to come stand right next to them, and make them realize today wasnt going to be the day they planned in the gym, their abs go flat, they walk around wondering what lift they can do to make them magically become 290 lbs, but figure out no lift will get them there, their workout partner gets demotivated and stops lifting, and quits chanting getbig, easy weight, getbig, then their girlfriend continually jocks realizing her boyfriend is a 228 lb twink who looks like a stick next to a 285 lb monster, yeah galeniko, hate to break the news to ya brother, stop concentrating on abs so much, because the rest of your body is becoming small, no smoke and mirrors here mate!
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how tall are you galeniko?
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one thing you got right, current weight is pretty much 208lbs, good guess.
but the pipe dream youve made up above doesnt happen like that irl, here is how it actually happens:
its not like my gym hasnt its fair share of permafatsos.when i walk in , theyre there sweating in their obese bodys from just walking around, out of breath from 20% rom movements, red-ish face, almost vomiting their big mcdonalds fries out.
i come in, with pullover bc i need to have warm clothes to even break a sweat, thats the case when one has supreme conditioning, at this moment, the permafatsos still walk around with ILS and bitchtittschest all the way out, as if they conquered the continent recently.
then when im warmed up after couple minutes and the epic pump sets in(from the trademark galeniko diet), i take off the pullover and deliberately make the tanktop slide upwards to the chest to "accidentally" flash the chiseled ,rock hard 6pack for a moment, and the second the pullover is removed and i stand there with tanktop(always tank top) and fingethick veins pop everywhere, the permafatsos give me stares as if i killed their whole families and put on their own pulloever and jackets,in sheer embarassment.
while theyre bathing in their own sweat and jealousy, i have chitchat moments with the girls there inbetween sets, the girls tell me how mine is the perect natural physique while they ask me how long itd take (they point at a permafatso)that fat guy who recently started training(thats what they assume)to become like me, for they resemble their weak husbands-boyfrends. ;D
now comes the ironic part, for some reason, the permabulker,instead of hitting some cardio, will down a "protein bar" with some gatorade or protein shake at the gym bar ,to refuel his fatcells"muscle" , while sitting there out of breath and overly thaetralicly acting exhausted as if he just had some very hard workout.
this is roughly how it goes,hth 8)
EPIC...
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sometimes, a bonbon, some pice with 5gramms of sugars,have initiated a 20k calories binge festival for me
brutal
then, when you notice this wont end well, you try some fat for saturation effect, but it jst fails, the fatty fod will have some salt to it, and this triggers even more.haha ;D
20k calories? jesus christ. how can your body even handle that?
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this is legendary
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Hi HI .....had a good laugh reading this thread. lean muscle is the way to go and good conditioning.
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coke, wig, and no condoms
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I have almost 100 lbs on you brother make all the remarks and excuses you want, only one thing happening if u was in the gym, ya gettin shut down!
That's odd. He's got a 100 IQ points on you.
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Cswol - you looked better in those vids from the Firehouse - much healthier than this situation you got going now.
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Galeniko has a hilarious use of the English language, it's something a native speaker can't fake
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one thing you got right, current weight is pretty much 208lbs, good guess.
but the pipe dream youve made up above doesnt happen like that irl, here is how it actually happens:
its not like my gym hasnt its fair share of permafatsos.when i walk in , theyre there sweating in their obese bodys from just walking around, out of breath from 20% rom movements, red-ish face, almost vomiting their big mcdonalds fries out.
i come in, with pullover bc i need to have warm clothes to even break a sweat, thats the case when one has supreme conditioning, at this moment, the permafatsos still walk around with ILS and bitchtittschest all the way out, as if they conquered the continent recently.
then when im warmed up after couple minutes and the epic pump sets in(from the trademark galeniko diet), i take off the pullover and deliberately make the tanktop slide upwards to the chest to "accidentally" flash the chiseled ,rock hard 6pack for a moment, and the second the pullover is removed and i stand there with tanktop(always tank top) and fingethick veins pop everywhere, the permafatsos give me stares as if i killed their whole families and put on their own pulloever and jackets,in sheer embarassment.
while theyre bathing in their own sweat and jealousy, i have chitchat moments with the girls there inbetween sets, the girls tell me how mine is the perect natural physique while they ask me how long itd take (they point at a permafatso)that fat guy who recently started training(thats what they assume)to become like me, for they resemble their weak husbands-boyfrends. ;D
now comes the ironic part, for some reason, the permabulker,instead of hitting some cardio, will down a "protein bar" with some gatorade or protein shake at the gym bar ,to refuel his fatcells"muscle" , while sitting there out of breath and overly thaetralicly acting exhausted as if he just had some very hard workout.
this is roughly how it goes,hth 8)
lol epic owning, curious though, you mentioned your diet gives you good pumps, what do you recommend for that?
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I shut guys like you down everyday at the gym, you walk in gym thinking your fluffer abs makes you the stud of the gym, or they show up with their workout partner telling them how big they are but only weigh 208, or they show up with their girlfriend wearing a tank top like they are impressive at 230 lbs..............then bammm..........CSWOL walks in, starts hitting sets and weight, and proceed to come stand right next to them, and make them realize today wasnt going to be the day they planned in the gym, their abs go flat, they walk around wondering what lift they can do to make them magically become 290 lbs, but figure out no lift will get them there, their workout partner gets demotivated and stops lifting, and quits chanting getbig, easy weight, getbig, then their girlfriend continually jocks realizing her boyfriend is a 228 lb twink who looks like a stick next to a 285 lb monster, yeah galeniko, hate to break the news to ya brother, stop concentrating on abs so much, because the rest of your body is becoming small, no smoke and mirrors here mate!
Cswol you're ok in my book but you are delusional on this matter. A shredded mofo looks much more impressive than a puffed up fatzo.
The abs guy gets intimidated by your presence not because you are big but because you are self confident (eventhough in delusion) and that shows.
Peace.
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Cswol you're ok in my book but you are delusional on this matter. A shredded mofo looks much more impressive than a puffed up fatzo.
The abs guy gets intimidated by your presence not because you are big but because you are self confident (eventhough in delusion) and that shows.
Peace.
Most dudes like scowl would be a panting mess after 15 seconds of any real physical exertion
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cswol always jacked and tanned and knows boxing.
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I shut guys like you down everyday at the gym, you walk in gym thinking your fluffer abs makes you the stud of the gym, or they show up with their workout partner telling them how big they are but only weigh 208, or they show up with their girlfriend wearing a tank top like they are impressive at 230 lbs..............then bammm..........CSWOL walks in, starts hitting sets and weight, and proceed to come stand right next to them, and make them realize today wasnt going to be the day they planned in the gym, their abs go flat, they walk around wondering what lift they can do to make them magically become 290 lbs, but figure out no lift will get them there, their workout partner gets demotivated and stops lifting, and quits chanting getbig, easy weight, getbig, then their girlfriend continually jocks realizing her boyfriend is a 228 lb twink who looks like a stick next to a 285 lb monster, yeah galeniko, hate to break the news to ya brother, stop concentrating on abs so much, because the rest of your body is becoming small, no smoke and mirrors here mate!
You look like dog shit. no offense. :-*
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cswol always jacked and tanned and knows boxing.
;D ;D
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;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Let's see him post a video doing 5 legitimate pull ups from dead hang to chin over the bar - no kipping, no swinging, nothing.
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Let's see him post a video doing 5 legitimate pull ups from dead hang to chin over the bar - no kipping, no swinging, nothing.
Does such a heavy duty pull up bar exist?
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The ole "shredded david" v "permabulked goliath" debate......most of us know who won that battle.
Sure the perma is typically stronger than the shredder, but not always the case. Plus, women care nothing about strength....the average, untrained skinny fat is often much stronger than the average female gym rat.
Even if the perma and shredder both train exactly the same, with the exact same intensity the shredder will most likely take home a chick and the perma will most likely take home some chips.
In the end it matters not how much the perma squats or benches or curls because the shredder has stage-worthy abs enough to place in the open division of the local Poopsville BB Classic and can run a tough mudder course in under 3 hours.
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no idea,man.
proabably bc its usualy semi liquid calories it goes through quick.you know, semi molten icecream by the gallon with caramel sause in it and loads of chocolate mixed into it.
im finally getting this under control, had to work my way down to 10k at once, then 6-7k, then 3-5, now im down to small treats, most likely the stomach itself gets extended and is able to take up so much, i kinda fixed this by having small meals, even if theyre clean meals,i made sure theyre small(no 2lbs of veggies at once anymore), and now it seems like theres mch less room in the gut at all.
but either way, it always felt like the gut would explode, but i carried on anyway.
self control thing i guess
My "cheat" is two slices of wood-fired pepperoni pizza twice a month.
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I have almost 100 lbs on you brother make all the remarks and excuses you want, only one thing happening if u was in the gym, ya gettin shut down!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480984.0;attach=520297;image)
You look awesome man but I think you've lost a little size. Time to go on a full out bulk!
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Does such a heavy duty pull up bar exist?
We have a lot of dudes in my gym like this - bloated messes. Most use horrible form, make a complete scene between every lift, throw shit around, drop weights all over the place - take like 5 minutes between every set - then bullshit everyone how hard they are working out etc etc
Blah blah blah - tell it to the newbs who are like 14-18 yo who don't any better.
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I have almost 100 lbs on you brother make all the remarks and excuses you want, only one thing happening if u was in the gym, ya gettin shut down!
bwahahahahahha. you just made my day. you look like a trash bag full of mayonnaise. :D
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You look awesome man but I think you've lost a little size. Time to go on a full out bulk!
;D
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My "cheat" is two slices of wood-fired pepperoni pizza twice a month.
;D,,live a little,,,
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no idea,man.
proabably bc its usualy semi liquid calories it goes through quick.you know, semi molten icecream by the gallon with caramel sause in it and loads of chocolate mixed into it.
im finally getting this under control, had to work my way down to 10k at once, then 6-7k, then 3-5, now im down to small treats, most likely the stomach itself gets extended and is able to take up so much, i kinda fixed this by having small meals, even if theyre clean meals,i made sure theyre small(no 2lbs of veggies at once anymore), and now it seems like theres mch less room in the gut at all.
but either way, it always felt like the gut would explode, but i carried on anyway.
self control thing i guess
yeah i feel you on the stomach expanding thing, back in my permabulking days i could stuff down 5-6k calories a day no problem, but now i feel full much more quickly.
along those lines, i've heard fast food restaurants serve soda on purpose because the carbonation forces your stomach to expand. just another reason to not drink soda, i suppose.
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;D,,live a little,,,
I like the way my super-fit wife looks at me now better than I like pizza. Just sayin'
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480984.0;attach=520297;image)
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Im just a small guy these days, my bodyfat percentage is high, and i never work my traps anymore, could you imagine if i actually worked them more than i do, yes i would be a narrow looking chubby guy
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Cswol is a beast. Look at the size of those biceps, they must be 24 inches??? His traps are bigger than Brock Lesnar's. Have you ever thought about going into Strongman???
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the brutal thing here is, im most likely stronger too,with more endurance.not bragging, im not particularly strong at all.
and to be fair on the reasonable bulkers, to use permabulker for cswole,is an insult to the word permabulker.
i seriously,dead seriously, ask myself if he knows how little of him would be left after a diet??? ???
on the bright side, hes only a wig and bit makeup away from making for a very good bellydancer
Stop hating on cswol, guy's physique smokes yours and you know it
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I like the way my super-fit wife looks at me now better than I like pizza. Just sayin'
there ya go,,,,
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one thing you got right, current weight is pretty much 208lbs, good guess.
but the pipe dream youve made up above doesnt happen like that irl, here is how it actually happens:
its not like my gym hasnt its fair share of permafatsos.when i walk in , theyre there sweating in their obese bodys from just walking around, out of breath from 20% rom movements, red-ish face, almost vomiting their big mcdonalds fries out.
i come in, with pullover bc i need to have warm clothes to even break a sweat, thats the case when one has supreme conditioning, at this moment, the permafatsos still walk around with ILS and bitchtittschest all the way out, as if they conquered the continent recently.
then when im warmed up after couple minutes and the epic pump sets in(from the trademark galeniko diet), i take off the pullover and deliberately make the tanktop slide upwards to the chest to "accidentally" flash the chiseled ,rock hard 6pack for a moment, and the second the pullover is removed and i stand there with tanktop(always tank top) and fingethick veins pop everywhere, the permafatsos give me stares as if i killed their whole families and put on their own pulloever and jackets,in sheer embarassment.
while theyre bathing in their own sweat and jealousy, i have chitchat moments with the girls there inbetween sets, the girls tell me how mine is the perect natural physique while they ask me how long itd take (they point at a permafatso)that fat guy who recently started training(thats what they assume)to become like me, for they resemble their weak husbands-boyfrends. ;D
now comes the ironic part, for some reason, the permabulker,instead of hitting some cardio, will down a "protein bar" with some gatorade or protein shake at the gym bar ,to refuel his fatcells"muscle" , while sitting there out of breath and overly thaetralicly acting exhausted as if he just had some very hard workout.
this is roughly how it goes,hth 8)
ROFLMAO yes!! I have seen this first hand, even little me at 169 lbs but ripped.
There was this 300 LBer who we nicknamed Bear Claw because he was fat, hairy stink bear and had a Bear Claw Tattoo on his back and some other various nonsense. Well he would always put like 600 or 650 on the bar and put the pins up in the squat rack and proceed to "deadlift" the bar from waist height to less than one inch. It wasn`t even a shrug. He would always brag about his deadlift. He would do the same with "squats" except it was even worse. He would literally just rack the weight, make some motion with his legs, maybe an inch or less, then re rack it and then stomp around the gym.
I would on purpose go right beside him with a tank top on right beside him and do real Deadlifts and Real Squats, perfect form, with 3D delts and cuts coming out and he would just stare and stare and stare and have this scowl on his face. It would literally piss him off so bad that he would start adding more weight and counting the plates as loud as he could and then yell 700 LBS!!!!!!
He would wait until I got in there at times to do his "lifts" and he would put a weight lifting belt on as tight as he could over his fat, to make him not appear as obese. It never worked and his gut would be so compacted, it would spill out. He REALLY hated me for being lean, despite me never saying a word to him.
One time I went to the basketball court to get a jump rope and Jezebelle was in the gym working out and Bear Claw happened to be in there. Out of nowhere he came up to her and said, "I just squatted 800 lbs last week for 5 reps". It was the strangest thing. He didn`t even wait for her reply and just walked off. I came back in the gym and he was gathering up his stuff and went out the side door and left about 600 lbs on the bar so I could see it and everyone else could too.
I did take a few videos of him I think and they are on my old hard drive. I need to look for them and post them. Its hilarious.
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the brutal thing here is, im most likely stronger too,with more endurance.not bragging, im not particularly strong at all.
and to be fair on the reasonable bulkers, to use permabulker for cswole,is an insult to the word permabulker.
i seriously,dead seriously, ask myself if he knows how little of him would be left after a diet??? ???
on the bright side, hes only a wig and bit makeup away from making for a very good bellydancer
hahaaaa last line,,,
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If he came in where i work i would put him on the cardio Equipment, maybe after 4-6 months a serious Training Programme....first full Body and lots of sweating....
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Stop hating on cswol, guy's physique smokes yours and you know it
I think cswol started this one.
What is the point of being 290lbs like he is w zero conditioning, next to no vasculatiry whatsoever, a waist line that mimics King Kong Bundy, and 2-3 chins?
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and 2-3 chins?
more chins than chin ups.
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i seriously,dead seriously, ask myself if he knows how little of him would be left after a diet??? ???
Whatever he weighs now, subtract 100 lbs.
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I think cswol started this one.
What is the point of being 290lbs like he is w zero conditioning, next to no vasculatiry whatsoever, a waist line that mimics King Kong Bundy, and 2-3 chins?
2-3 chins. LOL.
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2-3 chins. LOL.
I can't tell if its 2 or 3
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I think cswol started this one.
What is the point of being 290lbs like he is w zero conditioning, next to no vasculatiry whatsoever, a waist line that mimics King Kong Bundy, and 2-3 chins?
king kong cswol..
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You make it sound like its a bad thing to be 228 pds. This guy was around that weight
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/80/images/Dexter_Jackson_16.jpg)
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(http://epicawesome.com/files/imagecache/ImagePost585x650/images/10/too-fat-to-see-your-wang.jpg)
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(http://epicawesome.com/files/imagecache/ImagePost585x650/images/10/too-fat-to-see-your-wang.jpg)
:-X
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You make it sound like its a bad thing to be 228 pds. This guy was around that weight
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/80/images/Dexter_Jackson_16.jpg)
Fucking twink. ;D
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(http://www.builtlean.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/body-fat-percentage-men.jpg)
Cswols on the next page
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I have these dudes in my gym like that - and guess what - most of them secretly wish they could be conditioning and have the discipline to get in respectable shape.
Most compensate for their lack of willpower and laziness by overeating and then doing "power movements" for a few reps and convincing themselves that they are better off being "Huge" and just keep on like that.
Its a lot easier being fat and lifting a few heavy weights w 5 minutes between sets and then guzzling beer and burgers than it is to be overall fit and conditioned and still carefully watching food and calorie intake.
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Stop hating on cswol, guy's physique smokes yours and you know it
Physique?
Cswol has no "physique". He's a fat guy with oil in his biceps who couldn't run 100 yards without dieing. In fact, he's a perfect example of what a "physique" is not. Without all that fat he'd look like a twig.
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Excellent thread. Love to see this kind of hardcore dieting. If you can't go hungry and have enuff drive to get ripped then it won't happen. Here's a before and after that shows the effect of this type of dieting. Zero carb, all day cheat on Sat every Sat till week before show. No fat burners no GH, no AI's just hardcore diet. In actuality I had about 17 or 18 weeks so he was not shredded, but came in with good enuff conditioning to certainly belong on stage.
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IronMeister do your thing.
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TBH hes that far gone if he came down now at his age he would look like this
(http://www.dynamiccoresolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Loose-skin.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480984.0;attach=520297;image)
And who said the color black was "thinning".... ;D
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I think cswol started this one.
What is the point of being 290lbs like he is w zero conditioning, next to no vasculatiry whatsoever, a waist line that mimics King Kong Bundy, and 2-3 chins?
i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic
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cswol, comeon, do you have leg pics?
Now this I gotta see
(http://images.wikia.com/random-ness/images/3/34/Michael_Jackson_popcorn.gif)
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Excellent thread. Love to see this kind of hardcore dieting. If you can't go hungry and have enuff drive to get ripped then it won't happen. Here's a before and after that shows the effect of this type of dieting. Zero carb, all day cheat on Sat every Sat till week before show. No fat burners no GH, no AI's just hardcore diet. In actuality I had about 17 or 18 weeks so he was not shredded, but came in with good enuff conditioning to certainly belong on stage.
very good bicep/leg genetics for deeper condition/ shape as he progresses,each diet and continues training will develop that deep musculature,and more if anabolics are in play or already are in this case don't know..good job man,,,,
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Physique?
Cswol has no "physique". He's a fat guy with oil in his biceps who couldn't run 100 yards without dieing. In fact, he's a perfect example of what a "physique" is not. Without all that fat he'd look like a twig.
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This. He talks shit about guys who are 208lbs, 220lbs, and so forth... but if he dieted down, he wouldn't be a pound over 190 himself! He's all fat and water, and he's also very weak.
Galeniko CRUSHES him.
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the problem with this premise is, hes not strong.
:D
have you seen his bench technique?i dont mean the rom, i mean the position hes taking laying on the bench, something you usualy see from women in pornmovies before they receive a gang bang
cswol, comeon, do you have leg pics?
More hating by you!!! I saw his bench video it was awesome, 225lbs x 0
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480984.0;attach=520297;image)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c65a014f6768690d991aade9efae7919/tumblr_mnh05b7A7i1sqpjgto1_500.gif)
Lol
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480984.0;attach=520297;image)
"Monster" tattoos, seriously grow the fuck up.
(http://blogs-images.forbes.com/alicegwalton/files/2012/10/300px-Monster_energy_drink_feature1.jpg)
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If he is going for a bouncer job or into event security to where they just need some big dude around to push people around when a brawl breaks out - that's fine - but let's not kid ourselves that this is something to be proud of.
No arm development whatsoever despite all those drugs. WTF!
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zero forearms equates to zero grip strength, this fat fuck is as weak as shit.
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Cwoll needs to rape a twink to balance out the prison rape he received in this thread......
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cswol is online right now but doesn't respond in his own epic thread? ???
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Where did his chest go? ??? ???
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Here is another tip:
If you wake up with an almost metallic like taste in your mouth then you know you are on your path to losing fat and that your calories are low enough.
I woke up 175.3, lowest so far and I don`t think I will have to lower calories at all from 2600. I probably should increase them at some point and will probably in a little while. I can always predict when the scale will drop based on the activity that I do. Yesterday I dug a few holes and moved a lot of 50 lb plus rocks by hand for a few hours and this was after Heavy Leg Day and Triceps. 6 Sets of Heavy Squats, 4 sets of Cable Hack Squats for 20 reps each and 5 Sets Leg Curls. 5 Sets Close Grip Triceps, 5 Sets V Bar Cable Pulldowns and 5 Sets Straight Bar Pulldowns.
I knew I would see a slight drop on the scale after that and a bit more definition. Thats another good thing about being really lean is that even the slightest drop in weight is noticeable. The fatter one is, the less noticeable anything is.
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Lol!!
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:D
I`m going to get to Galeniko Lean ness. In these pics I was about 172-173 or so and right now I am leaner than these pics at 175 so this is a good sign!
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130423_045549_zps6763513e.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/9rkkqq.jpg)
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These kind of people are in every gyms. In my gym too.
They think that they are big. When one of the stupid fat fvck approach to me, i just say that my arms are bigger than yours in spite of his 10-20kg heavier than me. Because most of them dont have 18 inchs arms.
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GETBIG POP QUIZ:
Who is more delusional: Tbombz or cswol?
Both are retarded beyond comprehension.
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cswol, Is that waist shopped?
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Is that waist shopped?
Maybe a bad mirror angle?
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TA - those pics are from when?
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I have almost 100 lbs of fat and bloated belly on you brother make all the remarks and excuses you want, only one thing happening if u was in the gym, ya gettin shut down!
fixed
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one thing you got right, current weight is pretty much 208lbs, good guess.
but the pipe dream youve made up above doesnt happen like that irl, here is how it actually happens:
its not like my gym hasnt its fair share of permafatsos.when i walk in , theyre there sweating in their obese bodys from just walking around, out of breath from 20% rom movements, red-ish face, almost vomiting their big mcdonalds fries out.
i come in, with pullover bc i need to have warm clothes to even break a sweat, thats the case when one has supreme conditioning, at this moment, the permafatsos still walk around with ILS and bitchtittschest all the way out, as if they conquered the continent recently.
then when im warmed up after couple minutes and the epic pump sets in(from the trademark galeniko diet), i take off the pullover and deliberately make the tanktop slide upwards to the chest to "accidentally" flash the chiseled ,rock hard 6pack for a moment, and the second the pullover is removed and i stand there with tanktop(always tank top) and fingethick veins pop everywhere, the permafatsos give me stares as if i killed their whole families and put on their own pulloever and jackets,in sheer embarassment.
while theyre bathing in their own sweat and jealousy, i have chitchat moments with the girls there inbetween sets, the girls tell me how mine is the perect natural physique while they ask me how long itd take (they point at a permafatso)that fat guy who recently started training(thats what they assume)to become like me, for they resemble their weak husbands-boyfrends. ;D
now comes the ironic part, for some reason, the permabulker,instead of hitting some cardio, will down a "protein bar" with some gatorade or protein shake at the gym bar ,to refuel his fatcells"muscle" , while sitting there out of breath and overly thaetralicly acting exhausted as if he just had some very hard workout.
this is roughly how it goes,hth 8)
lol nice one
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TA - those pics are from when?
Probably 2010. I haven`t really changed much at all.
Here is one from 2008, right before I voted for Obama the first time.
And this most muscular is 2009 I think.
I pretty much look the same always.
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Worst try to call someone out ever?
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Worst try to call someone out ever?
I think he is deeply envious of the will power Gal has diet wise
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I pretty much look the same always.
Must suck to spend that time in the gym and always look the same. :-\
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Must suck to spend that time in the gym and always look the same. :-\
TOUCHE...
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no idea,man.
proabably bc its usualy semi liquid calories it goes through quick.you know, semi molten icecream by the gallon with caramel sause in it and loads of chocolate mixed into it.
im finally getting this under control, had to work my way down to 10k at once, then 6-7k, then 3-5, now im down to small treats, most likely the stomach itself gets extended and is able to take up so much, i kinda fixed this by having small meals, even if theyre clean meals,i made sure theyre small(no 2lbs of veggies at once anymore), and now it seems like theres mch less room in the gut at all.
but either way, it always felt like the gut would explode, but i carried on anyway.
self control thing i guess
man every post you make in answer to a question it's like we are the same people talking. bang on dude. your giving out some great advice and what's more your explanations of 'what to expect' and 'what comes next' are bang on.
if i may some random thoughts if I may add to the thread to compliment what you doing here?
using this method as well the longer you stay on it for successive days the smaller your stomach gets and the less calories your able to consume when you do have 'that meal'. so by the time you've gone thru your 5th or 6th cycle (I call them cycles- consecutive days w a big cal meal at the end then consecutive days fasted again) you'll find you've gone from being able to consume at the start say 10k cal to being absolutely stuffed after about 2500cal. how great is that esp if your maintenance is 3k cal? that's why this method Galeniko is outlining here is so powerful in so many aspects esp mentally- the ability to adhere to the diet.
secondly results happen so quickly you are motivated to stay on track to see what the next week will bring so the mental part of this diet is very rewarding as opposed to a conventional pre contest diet where week to week results are negligible.
REGARDLESS of what you eat, and galeniko touched on it your body will hoard water and flatten out and make you look like shit. 333336 you said you've been right on your diet and you put on x amount if water and you contribute it to a few things you ate? nah dude. your body will go thru this regardless how right how restrictive you are. you just gotta stay focused as gal said when it happens and keep pushing on your body will normalize in a few days.
what else. ya one meal won't damage you in fact imo it's awesome. not for the bullshit excuses like oh I need to trick my body or what ever else excuses guys use to eat whatever they want but for the fact your next 2 sessions are the gym are spectacular. I find by the 3rd or 4th session fasted after the big meal I'm going they the motions just getting it done. but those 2 sessions you are killing it in the gym. imo I think that one refeed up to your maintenance is pretty essential to keep your metabolism running and ramped up thru the 'work' your doing in the gym after. to go over your maintence in cals imo is not necessary to get this result I've noticed and really only sets you back. why go over maintenance on on your refeed day if you and do the sale amount of work on less cals. anything more is lack of willpower.
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Must suck to spend that time in the gym and always look the same. :-\
Not at all. I love to train and everything that goes with it, health benefits included. I am a Lifetime Natural and this is part of what anyone who does not want to use drugs will have to accept. I don`t mind it at all and I prefer the non-drugged look to the drugged look-but thats just my opinion and I don`t care if anyone uses or not.
Do you use steroids? Also, do you look any different than you have in the past or are you still overweight a little? (not making fun because you like to be a bit overweight because you carry boulders and flip tires)
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Must suck to spend that time in the gym and always look the same. :-\
Also, if I started to look different than I am doing something wrong.
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lol, thread has gone quiet now, any permabulkers want to come to CSWOLs defence?
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Not at all. I love to train and everything that goes with it, health benefits included. I am a Lifetime Natural and this is part of what anyone who does not want to use drugs will have to accept. I don`t mind it at all and I prefer the non-drugged look to the drugged look-but thats just my opinion and I don`t care if anyone uses or not.
Do you use steroids? Also, do you look any different than you have in the past or are you still overweight a little? (not making fun because you like to be a bit overweight because you carry boulders and flip tires)
I don't use steroids. I cycle my training and diet, I can fluctuate 20lbs and obviously my look changes. However nobody ever questions if I workout, mostly whether or not I compete.
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I don't use steroids. I cycle my training and diet, I can fluctuate 20lbs and obviously my look changes. However nobody ever questions if I workout, mostly whether or not I compete.
Nobody questions me either. The dumb public even asks me if I am a Pro Bodybuilder from time to time. How funny is that? My neighbor still thinks I weigh 230 lbs of muscle despite me telling him that I only weigh 170ish.
If you get really lean and stay lean, your look will not fluctuate much at all. Try it and you will see.
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that 34 inch fat roll waist of mine (been a little sloppy since the injury usually 32) doesn't seem disgusting anymore....thanks Cwoll! Showed the pic to my wife....she said, "is he pregnant", classic.
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I don't use steroids. I cycle my training and diet, I can fluctuate 20lbs and obviously my look changes. However nobody ever questions if I workout, mostly whether or not I compete.
We have seen you flipping tires and cswol will not challenge a tire flip. Probably scared.
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:D ;D
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So you're big and strong, right?
Three questions.
What is your full range, paused bench?
What is your ATG olympic squat?
What is your deadlift?
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cswol is fat
galeniko is small
you both lose
WHERE ARE U JODSY....
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I love bloated monsters who think they're "big and strong". I even more love "monsters" who don't even lift and think they're strong because they're big.
From my experience even I outlift these "monsters".
And best part is when you ask them about their goals.
- When will you get shredded?
- Never! I'm not a bodybuilder.
- So what's your ATG squat and deadlift?
- I don't train for strength!
- SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TRAINING????
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We have seen you flipping tires and cswol will not challenge a tire flip. Probably scared.
MIGHT BREAK A NAIL?
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Shaved my forearms the other day for the FIRST time...
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Nobody questions me either. The dumb public even asks me if I am a Pro Bodybuilder from time to time. How funny is that? My neighbor still thinks I weigh 230 lbs of muscle despite me telling him that I only weigh 170ish.
If you get really lean and stay lean, your look will not fluctuate much at all. Try it and you will see.
I have been. Very, very lean at a higher bodyweight than you. While my look didn't fluctuate, neither did my lifts or my size. People think I'm 230-240 too. :)
We have seen you flipping tires and cswol will not challenge a tire flip. Probably scared.
Monday.....it starts. >:(
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You look awesome man but I think you've lost a little size. Time to go on a full out bulk!
lol
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Shaved my forearms the other day for the FIRST time...
Bikini line?
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Looking good Irish
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Bikini line?
Does it hurt?
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So you're big and strong, right?
Three questions.
What is your full range, paused bench?
What is your ATG olympic squat?
What is your deadlift?
lol as if ATG squat is a powerlift
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^^
Sickening is how he has visible abs even with all that fat :o
Another permabulker self-outing.
Anyone who thinks that is "visible abs" has got to be a bloater.
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As a maintenance diet, how about 5 five days of 50gm lean protein & veggies and 2 days of whatever, which for me would be Cheeseburger deluxe, Chicken taco platter, Chicken cutlet parm hero, or bbq brisket sandwich.
Could you maintain 10% bf on this?
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Does it hurt?
a bit, but the overall look is worth it.
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you know, i think id be suicidal if i looke dlike that, for there no possible comeback from that look anytime soon.
At his age there will be all the loose skin that will never tighten up, the guys finished, he may as well carry on until the inevitable end.
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cswol losin size
Time to up the mcd's dosage.
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the only thing bigger they got is the gut, the ego(yes,lol), the delusions, and the puffy face cheeks.
they are everywhere, but to be fair, in my gym, they kinda know and ask me for diet tips etc.wel,some do.
they cannot possibly be serious about thinking they look good, they wouldnt walk around covered up like female muslima in afgahnistan if that was the case.
pics are one thing, but seeing a ripped athlete in person is the most shocking experience one will have.most impressive.
while fatsos who have wide build are a dime a dozen in every bar full of severe alcoholics
I thought you and krang were good mates
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I shut guys like you down everyday at the gym, you walk in gym thinking your fluffer abs makes you the stud of the gym, or they show up with their workout partner telling them how big they are but only weigh 208, or they show up with their girlfriend wearing a tank top like they are impressive at 230 lbs..............then bammm..........CSWOL walks in, starts hitting sets and weight, and proceed to come stand right next to them, and make them realize today wasnt going to be the day they planned in the gym, their abs go flat, they walk around wondering what lift they can do to make them magically become 290 lbs, but figure out no lift will get them there, their workout partner gets demotivated and stops lifting, and quits chanting getbig, easy weight, getbig, then their girlfriend continually jocks realizing her boyfriend is a 228 lb twink who looks like a stick next to a 285 lb monster, yeah galeniko, hate to break the news to ya brother, stop concentrating on abs so much, because the rest of your body is becoming small, no smoke and mirrors here mate!
I did not even read any further yet. This post is solid gold. Hahahahahaa!!
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Sorry, typo, 50 grams of carbs.
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Galeniko promoted to legendary status in this thread. I would praise Cswol for his trolling, but I think he really is that dumb/delusional. Looks like he has a fresh litter of baby joeys in his pouch.
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Looking good Irish
i agree..for a Bogy kunt he Looks good ;D
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Galeniko promoted to legendary status in this thread. I would praise Cswol for his trolling, but I think he really is that dumb/delusional. Looks like he has a fresh litter of baby joeys in his pouch.
He posted then disappeared which adds to galeniko's status!
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So a gram per pound of body weight enough? Then trace fats and carbs.
I have a shed load of turkey breast in my freezer. I was gna use keto but thinking I mite galenko it down to 6%. Gota lose about 20lbs
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Anyone starting any sort of diet already thinking about cheating is not gonna get very far....it's just not the right mindset. I mean, you shouldn't even wanna cheat or have cravings until you're already lean and well below 10%. Don't let yourselves get too fat in the first place....this galeniko thing isn't a 12-16 week diet plan this is a complete lifestyle/eating overhaul.
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Galeniko promoted to legendary status in this thread. I would praise Cswol for his trolling, but I think he really is that dumb/delusional. Looks like he has a fresh litter of baby joeys in his pouch.
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Yup.
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Shaved my forearms the other day for the FIRST time...
Looking good you mic ginger potato eater...
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Cwoll with hair....
Susan Boyle is being trained by Cswol?
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i agree..for a Bogy kunt he Looks good ;D
You're a racist ;D
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Cwoll with hair....
Lol. Where is ironmeister?
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Anyone starting any sort of diet already thinking about cheating is not gonna get very far....it's just not the right mindset. I mean, you shouldn't even wanna cheat or have cravings until you're already lean and well below 10%. Don't let yourselves get too fat in the first place....this galeniko thing isn't a 12-16 week diet plan this is a complete lifestyle/eating overhaul.
^This. Just put that shit outta your head. If you start out by looking forward to each cheat meal, then you're fucked. You won't make it a month. What starts out hard, becomes easy, becomes routine, then becomes habit. At that point, it ain't no thing but a chicken wing.
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I have almost 100 lbs on you brother make all the remarks and excuses you want, only one thing happening if u was in the gym, ya gettin shut down!
I'm impressed that you can actually see his gyno nipple at 65% body fat.
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Excellent thread. Love to see this kind of hardcore dieting. If you can't go hungry and have enuff drive to get ripped then it won't happen. Here's a before and after that shows the effect of this type of dieting. Zero carb, all day cheat on Sat every Sat till week before show. No fat burners no GH, no AI's just hardcore diet. In actuality I had about 17 or 18 weeks so he was not shredded, but came in with good enuff conditioning to certainly belong on stage.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480786.0;attach=520303;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480786.0;attach=520304;image)
Impressive, do you allow your athletes to eat veggies? if so what kind of veggies do they eat?
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Shaved my forearms the other day for the FIRST time...
Looking great mate!
Advanced Irish genetics. ;D
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By the way, 3 weeks ago I dropped tren. For a week I looked similar, even better (looked fuller). Now I have pretty much same bodyfat but I look like shit. It looks like whatever muscle I had on chest is gone :D
LOL @ steroids, it's all fake :D
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Advanced Irish genetics. ;D
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Except for the "Irish curse"..... ;D
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he could easily donate his gyno to a pornstar who is in dire need of a pair of plastic tits.sarah dunlop comes to mind.
You continue to amaze me.
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See'swhale has a gh gut and poor bench press form. Looks thick in the shoulders and traps though.
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Impressive, do you allow your athletes to eat veggies? if so what kind of veggies do they eat?
I sometime do, usually greens like Bussels sprouts or asparagus.
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OP owns himself into oblivion. Fuck me, at this point, it's called masochist.
I don't want to lick the certainly shrinked balls of Galeniko but he's a good looking, 6-pack flashing, hot chicks banging, hell of guy, while cswol is a fat looking, moobs flashing, brutal 1/4 range of motion banging, hell of deluded moron, with a blood pressure so high, even an off-season Markus Ruhl wouldn't buy it.
The perfect cliff notes. Lol!
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OP owns himself into oblivion. Fuck me, at this point, it's called masochist.
I don't want to lick the certainly shrinked balls of Galeniko but he's a good looking, 6-pack flashing, hot chicks banging, hell of guy, while cswol is a fat looking, moobs flashing, brutal 1/4 range of motion banging, hell of deluded moron, with a blood pressure so high, even an off-season Markus Ruhl wouldn't buy it.
lol
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This is OMR vs SMM - 2013 version.
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oh yes, if one is just even having thoughts about cheat day or small treats before this, he will fail.best to not even start.
they will also fail at any diet they try, for its testimony of lack of willpower.
i tell ppl protein, 150g carbs daily and bit fats will get them to 8%, which is true but itll take twice as lng as compared to go full out on the diet.
and if they have 150g carbs a day, theres no room for cheat days nor cheat meal, or itll simply take forever.
ppl severly underestimate how much a cheat meal can put one back.
theres not even a need to ask can i have this or that, all the food choices are outlined and very clear, this means, nothing else but that.
god damnm this permabulking advice and cheat meals advice from the mags has done some serious damage.
arnold and company dieted on 1000calories.they didnt have no much broscience articles and much theory talk, they figured out the low calorie secret,lol , and they know protein does them good.
no bread means no bread, etc.
ppl dont get it, once lean enough, the maintenance will seem like a joke, this is when one gets rewarded, the dieting,any fatloss diet will be not fun.
if its fun, there wont be results
if they wanna get cut with treats, they will most likely fail, just based on the fact itll take longer.
hell,i starte this at what,20% bodyfat, and i didnt waste a single thought about any cheat whatsoever before i got down to 10%.
it was 2 months of literaly nothing but chickenbreast and salad.no dressing.and when i say nothing but that,i really mean nothing but that.
9 out of 10 are mentally too weal to hold through.
have a frend he knows exactly how is done, but he "has" to have mcdonalds chicken wrap couple times a week("this wont hurt will it"),and then wonders why the last fat rolls just wont go away.
its not even suffering, thats the wrong term, the best way to describe the mental approach is to cut the bullshit and stop any excuses until at the goal.
lol allllllll this.
if you can get yourself down to eating 800-1200 cals a day (im 240ish my lowest days are 800 and thats tough, my highest days are 1200 and i feel a bit like im cheating 1000 seems about right) and do this for 4-5 consecutive days then at night before bed have your big meal at your maintenance or slighly below (i hate the word refeed for some reason word maybe it reminds me too much of the whole 'refeed' mentality of those 'permabulker poor excuse to stay on track' diets?), your really just setting yourself up for some great workouts and and still have 4-5 days of a an 18-2000cal deficit. how can you NOT lose bodyfat. for me i dont like to go over 2500cal, and if you dont think 2500cal is a lot or enough to be satifying try to eat 4 1/2 pound hamburgers made w exta lean ground beef (thats 2 pounds of meat) plus the buns at 150cal each.
im experimenting with this type of meal- massively high protein/ fat very low carb (around 100gram or so- when your taking in 2500cal 100 gram carb is only 1/8 of the account for cals )for two reasons- for me sugar is bad- my body responds horribly to it, and i seem to function well on lower carbs and find it way easier to hop back on a 800 cal routine when i havent had a shit ton of carbs the meal before as i subsist mostly on high protein/ high fat <30carb on the low cal days. this works well for me. part of the trick of the diet is finding what works well for you, and doing that, and the only way you do that is thru years of trial and error. thus the experimentation. so we'll see what happens.
and all this and only all this when you get down to 8 or so percent! and this is why this post ties in with this post of Gals- if your at 15% and doing this it wont work. you gotta get your fat off thru suffering and starving. there are no tricks no quick gimmicks nothing but willpower. this type of thing i outlined here only works when you get that chub off, and you are ready to try to get into the 4's and 5's. but once you get 'lean' your body becomes a fat buring machine in and of itself, and that maintenance meal is so benefical for so many reasons but so crippling if your not. dont mistake 'want' for 'necessity' it'll break the fabric of your willpower in no time and 2 years of 'dieting' from now you'll still be 'dieting' and never reaching your full potential.
great post G. this shit is gold all someone has to do is apply it. so much great info given out for free around here based on years of experience and trial and error not broscience and parroting its mind boggling. and that in itself tell you why you dont read shit like this all the time and when you do its very segregated to a small popualtion who agree fully with what eachother says, cause they lived it and recognise others have too.
cheers.
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This is OMR vs SMM - 2013 version.
Fair comparison, but does Galeniko have the stuff to finish off Cswol?
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Fair comparison, but does Galeniko have the stuff to finish off Cswol?
I guess it depends on how much digging he does into older posts.
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I guess it depends on how much digging he does into older posts.
Ah, but would it be a fair fight? Gal deletes all of his old posts. 8)
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Cswol is 50?
I will give him props.
CSwol.........lean down and then come back and own Galeniko. Until then you've got nothing but potential muscle with layers of fat on it.
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That 8% bf seems to be the number when things start to get tough. But damn no one with a huge deficit like that I can't imagine it would take you more than a couple weeks to get to 5-6% bf.
I stick to mostly trolling but this is some good info and motivation guys thanks.
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Cswol is 50?
I will give him props.
CSwol.........lean down and then come back and own Galeniko. Until then you've got nothing but potential muscle with layers of fat on it.
I thought he was 38-40? Arce?
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I thought he was 38-40? Arce?
Arce is 55 and Cswol is 60
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I thought he was 38-40
:o frightening
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That 8% bf seems to be the number when things start to get tough. But damn no one with a huge deficit like that I can't imagine it would take you more than a couple weeks to get to 5-6% bf.
I stick to mostly trolling but this is some good info and motivation guys thanks.
you can go from 8% to 5% in 3 weeks
i did
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well it doesnt take more than few weeks, thats the point.
but playing around with treats and things will not work for itll take too long to bear it.better to close the eyes and run full force through it :D
but even on that deficit, it takes longer than one would think, or hope, or calculate.
why prolong it right.... you will still get the same dieting side effects.
you can go from 8% to 5% in 3 weeks
i did
How many calories were you eating?
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Better to get it over with quick right...
How many calories were you eating?
1600-1800
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Cswol is 50?
I will give him props.
CSwol.........lean down and then come back and own Galeniko. Until then you've got nothing but potential muscle with layers of fat on it.
He's 39.
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He's 39.
He looks good for 39. If he dropped maybe 10-15lbs he'd be looking lean as fuck, probably around 12% bf I'd guess
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1600-1800
Yeah I thought you didn't cut your calories way low. I'm stuck around 8% at 200lbs and was planning on cutting on 2000 cals but seeing no one going as low as 800 on some days makes me feel like huge pussy.
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Yeah I thought you didn't cut your calories way low. I'm stuck around 8% at 200lbs and was planning on cutting on 2000 cals but seeing no one going as low as 800 on some days makes me feel like huge pussy.
Christ, if I go down to 2000, I think that I am wasting away.
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He looks good for 39. If he dropped maybe 10-15lbs he'd be looking lean as fuck, probably around 12% bf I'd guess
Im 38. He has about at least 75 lbs tO drpo get to 10%.
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Yeah I thought you didn't cut your calories way low. I'm stuck around 8% at 200lbs and was planning on cutting on 2000 cals but seeing no one going as low as 800 on some days makes me feel like huge pussy.
now i'm eating roughly 3800-4000 cals per day and i'm still as ripped, but not sure how much longer that i can keep that up
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yeah, talking to you about this, its clear that both went through the same exact things and sensations.
i dont know if the fatsos can value how much worth this info is, bc this knowledge doesnt come for free and by itself, this comes from years of experience.if one does 1 cutting diet a year, thatll be couple months of the year gone, and the first couple times newcomers will absolutely fail, for so many reasons:
-they will wrongly think they NEED refeeds, but this will just halt progress and they wont be able to control themselves.good point omn refeed if its lower than maintenance, this is very very importnat.if the refeed is above maintenance, there will be worse conditioning even if one fasts for a day after, when one spills over, some fat gain will happen, the water will be there to but itll go away anyway.
-lack of experience in general
-thinking they need more carbs than they do, or coming from high dosage bulk to same or lower dosage diet is prone to fail
-and so much more, in general a smart bbuilder will learn to "hear out" his body and how it reacts to what.
yes, conditioning the portion sizes will make the waist tighter , the stomach smaller and the ability to overeat will be more or less gone,cycle is the perfect term youve used, and i agree about the refeed, which btw imo needs to be from the worst fats and sugars, and very little protein, a clean refeed of "long" carbs and protein will do fuck all.
yes during hard diet times, the body will simply store water under the skin, from something like 2 bare chicken breasts with nothing on it, its totally random and nobody in the world can control this, but always goes away.
in this precise moment, where everything seems to make you look like shit and flat, you WILL think your muscle is fading away, but IT IS NOT, its just flat.in this moment many think the refeed is necesary, but its not, just stay focussed and carry on.
the only thing about conditioning that seems consistent for me is when i drink a gallon of water today,but none tomorow,on the 3rd day the skin will look transparent if lean enough.those are the days where i take pics and post them there, its all planned ;D ;D
i have sometimes posted pics from the watery and flat day and was suprised how small i looked haha, but then the next day i found that person in the pic looks much bigger than i am, but its me.
and this has nothing to do with carb loading, its clearly a water issue.
ok another thing ive figured out, if i wanna look good the next day, i just have some 100calories of trash food before going to bed and then in the morning i dont drink water, this always leads to than full, lean look.for me atleast, dont know if this is individual or applies to everyone.
the willpower is everything in this, this is why i so deeply hate and despise the lazy fatsos who approach me and ask if theres that magic fatloss pill.
they are in need of so much learning, it leaves me with nothing but facepalms over their naivity and lazyness and wanting an easy way out when there is none.
you know, when i seen hamdi aykutlug the first time, i was young guy, i was soo shocked and amazed how lean he was, but i didnt blow it by asking him which diuretic he uses and how much this or that(everyone would talk about it and put out rumours).i asked him"what in the hell are you eating,whats your diet".he took his valueable time for me and we sat down and he explained stuff to me.
being smart instead of the pretend to be smart attitude"its all drugs", theres a huge difference.
yeah we both said before, if someone takes huge,abuse-level dosages when young and fresh in the training, he will benefit from this many years later still, even if he stops training for years and then comes back.that time when young and absolutly jacked on gear elevates the natural limits, something definitely happens.
this still doesnt make it "all drugs", a real quality physique takes years,years and much knowledge.
the pros might be dumb, but no so dumb to just rely on "its all drugs", they know full well what theyre doing.
the insulin and gh guts come bc they lose their sense for reality, just like cswol.on another level, but same thing.
cheers man, absolute pleasure talking to you 8)
I think for those who use drugs and who actually want to look impressive, like yourself, its actually more difficult than staying Natural in my opinion. The bits and pieces I pick up from you guys who use makes it all seem very daunting and you have to know what does what, when to take, what not to take, how long, where to get it all of that on top of training and dieting.
Its adding another variable and I could never see myself doing it. Training and Eating are enough variables for me to control.
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Let me get this out of the way. I believe Layne Norton is a Lifetime Natural.
Not that it matters, his advice is still valid for anyone. I see a lot of you are dieting on low, low calories and it really doesn`t HAVE to be that way. I urge you guys to watch this video and take from it what you will.
I am doing just fine at 2600 calories, 175 this morning (I predict I will be lower than that in a day or two as I had an epic workout just now-Back- 25 Sets Heavy and Biceps 15 Sets Heavy Including 21s. I can feel a nice warmth all over right now and that is a sign that your body is really defatting itself, especially when you have extremely little fat to lose)
Now for the Video:
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now i'm eating roughly 3800-4000 cals per day and i'm still as ripped, but not sure how much longer that i can keep that up
Watch the video I posted. It should help you.
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Let me get this out of the way. I believe Layne Norton is a Lifetime Natural.
Not that it matters, his advice is still valid for anyone. I see a lot of you are dieting on low, low calories and it really doesn`t HAVE to be that way. I urge you guys to watch this video and take from it what you will.
I am doing just fine at 2600 calories, 175 this morning (I predict I will be lower than that in a day or two as I had an epic workout just now-Back- 25 Sets Heavy and Biceps 15 Sets Heavy Including 21s. I can feel a nice warmth all over right now and that is a sign that your body is really defatting itself, especially when you have extremely little fat to lose)
Now for the Video:
That's good to know. I usually end up between 2400-2600 kcal/day, and that feels about right. I am losing fat and the training is going very well. There are permabulker forces that whisper "you need 4000 kcal/day to grow!", but I have been ignoring them.
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Threads like this make Getbig , Getbig lol
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I have switched from very low cals to high cals like dj181 recently has and noticed no "metabolic damage" so I can't agree with what layme is saying there.
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I have gone from very low cals to high cals like dj recently has and noticed no "metabolic damage" so I can't agree with what layme is saying there.
Thats not really what he is saying.
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Thats not really what he is saying.
Must be time for new speakers then.
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I am going to give you meat heads who don`t know how to cook eggs properly a tip. This is for Soft Boiled Eggs.
Be sure to use large eggs that have no cracks and are cold from the refrigerator. Because precise timing is vital to the success of this recipe. You must use a timer. You can use this method for one to six large, extra-large, or jumbo eggs without altering the timing. If you have one, a steamer basket does make the lowering the eggs into the boiling water easier. Or you can just lower them in with your hands which I do, but be careful.
INGREDIENTS
4 large eggs
Salt and pepper
METHOD
Bring 1/2 inch water to boil in medium saucepan over medium-high heat. Measure this with a ruler, it must be 1/2 inch, just stick it in there and make sure. Using tongs or hands, gently place eggs in boiling water (eggs will not be submerged). Cover saucepan and cook eggs EXACTLY for 6 1/2 minutes. No less, nor more.
Remove cover, transfer saucepan to sink, and place under cold running water for 30 seconds. Remove eggs from pan peel and serve, seasoning with salt and pepper to taste.
You can have them with bread, in a salad, with mushrooms, with rice and soy sauce....whatever.
Doing the above will yield you quick eggs at their best taste in a short amount of time and they are highly versatile. Follow it EXACTLY, no deviation.
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youre only setting yourself up for a bad rebound weight gain if you diet on low calories such as i have
but i have stayed fat because ive strayed from all that training as well.
so if you want to look good do not diet, just train harder or longer take baking soda
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oh yes, if one is just even having thoughts about cheat day or small treats before this, he will fail.best to not even start.
they will also fail at any diet they try, for its testimony of lack of willpower.
i tell ppl protein, 150g carbs daily and bit fats will get them to 8%, which is true but itll take twice as lng as compared to go full out on the diet.
and if they have 150g carbs a day, theres no room for cheat days nor cheat meal, or itll simply take forever.
ppl severly underestimate how much a cheat meal can put one back.
theres not even a need to ask can i have this or that, all the food choices are outlined and very clear, this means, nothing else but that.
god damnm this permabulking advice and cheat meals advice from the mags has done some serious damage.
arnold and company dieted on 1000calories.they didnt have no much broscience articles and much theory talk, they figured out the low calorie secret,lol , and they know protein does them good.
no bread means no bread, etc.
ppl dont get it, once lean enough, the maintenance will seem like a joke, this is when one gets rewarded, the dieting,any fatloss diet will be not fun.
if its fun, there wont be results
if they wanna get cut with treats, they will most likely fail, just based on the fact itll take longer.
hell,i starte this at what,20% bodyfat, and i didnt waste a single thought about any cheat whatsoever before i got down to 10%.
it was 2 months of literaly nothing but chickenbreast and salad.no dressing.and when i say nothing but that,i really mean nothing but that.
9 out of 10 are mentally too weal to hold through.
have a frend he knows exactly how is done, but he "has" to have mcdonalds chicken wrap couple times a week("this wont hurt will it"),and then wonders why the last fat rolls just wont go away.
its not even suffering, thats the wrong term, the best way to describe the mental approach is to cut the bullshit and stop any excuses until at the goal.
Fuck me, perhaps this is why its taken 4 months to go from 15% to 12%.
I do eggs and chicken, eggs/ fish then the third meal I have a monsterous sandwhich and some crunchy bullshit. This is how I have been eating for 4 mnths. Yes I have gotten leaner but I realize ive been fucking about,
Today I trained fasted and held on till 4pm, then had hamburger.
Thoughts?
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Fuck me, perhaps this is why its taken 4 months to go from 15% to 12%.
I do eggs and chicken, eggs/ fish then the third meal I have a sandwhich and some crunchy bullshit.
Today I trained fasted and held on till 4pm, then had hamburger.
Thoughts?
Do you know how many calories you are eating?
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btn 2,000 and 2,500 per day
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45 in july,,,,,
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thats why if u gain a little say low end 6 pct or 8 and go to 9/10 lose a little step its easier to rebound and come back down,plus body gets break .and grows a bit fuller ,then you come back down again hang,go back .
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btn 2,000 and 2,500 per day
Keep it constant at that level and you are most likely fatter than you think. Just be patient.
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ROFLMAO yes!! I have seen this first hand, even little me at 169 lbs but ripped.
There was this 300 LBer who we nicknamed Bear Claw because he was fat, hairy stink bear and had a Bear Claw Tattoo on his back and some other various nonsense. Well he would always put like 600 or 650 on the bar and put the pins up in the squat rack and proceed to "deadlift" the bar from waist height to less than one inch. It wasn`t even a shrug. He would always brag about his deadlift. He would do the same with "squats" except it was even worse. He would literally just rack the weight, make some motion with his legs, maybe an inch or less, then re rack it and then stomp around the gym.
I would on purpose go right beside him with a tank top on right beside him and do real Deadlifts and Real Squats, perfect form, with 3D delts and cuts coming out and he would just stare and stare and stare and have this scowl on his face. It would literally piss him off so bad that he would start adding more weight and counting the plates as loud as he could and then yell 700 LBS!!!!!!
He would wait until I got in there at times to do his "lifts" and he would put a weight lifting belt on as tight as he could over his fat, to make him not appear as obese. It never worked and his gut would be so compacted, it would spill out. He REALLY hated me for being lean, despite me never saying a word to him.
One time I went to the basketball court to get a jump rope and Jezebelle was in the gym working out and Bear Claw happened to be in there. Out of nowhere he came up to her and said, "I just squatted 800 lbs last week for 5 reps". It was the strangest thing. He didn`t even wait for her reply and just walked off. I came back in the gym and he was gathering up his stuff and went out the side door and left about 600 lbs on the bar so I could see it and everyone else could too.
I did take a few videos of him I think and they are on my old hard drive. I need to look for them and post them. Its hilarious.
Some of the funniest shit i've read in awhile. Every gym has a character somewhat like this.
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I have decent willpower and could go down to 1500 kcal/day. I do worry about losing muscle at that level. I don't know if that fear is a valid.
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thats why if u gain a little say low end 6 pct or 8 and go to 9/10 lose a little step its easier to rebound and come back down,plus body gets break .and grows a bit fuller ,then you come back down again hang,go back .
Exactly just working the metabolism.
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Exactly just working the metabolism.
3/4 %with enough hard muscle is stage ready and impossible to maintain dry look,,,5/6 is nice but still tight leash,7/8 has a lot of wiggle room caloried wise and u can look full,pretty hard,veins all around still and good midsection,veins on abs again lower end 6 pct and under....
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I have decent willpower and could go down to 1500 kcal/day. I do worry about losing muscle at that level. I don't know if that fear is a valid.
Just be patient. That low is not necessary. This girl eats 1800 calories to 2500, does only 2-3 days weight training in the gym and no cardio.
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1800-2000 calories on off-days and up to 2500 calories on training-days. I needed some time to get my metabolism fast, but now I feel fine with keeping my bodyfat and eat lots of calories (in my dimensions).
What is your current routine?
One day is based on Squats, the other on Deadlifts, the rest varies, but I rely strongly on basic movements and 2-3 intense sessions per week. No cardio.
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Just be patient. That low is not necessary. This girl eats 1800 calories to 2500, does only 2-3 days weight training in the gym and no cardio.
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1800-2000 calories on off-days and up to 2500 calories on training-days. I needed some time to get my metabolism fast, but now I feel fine with keeping my bodyfat and eat lots of calories (in my dimensions).
What is your current routine?
One day is based on Squats, the other on Deadlifts, the rest varies, but I rely strongly on basic movements and 2-3 intense sessions per week. No cardio.
she looks good all abs and implants tho,,,
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she looks good all abs and implants tho,,,
That wasn`t the point. The point was that she eats around 1800-2500 calories and that is the result. No Cardo, 2-3 weight training sessions Heavy and thats it.
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That wasn`t the point. The point was that she eats around 1800-2500 calories and that is the result. No Cardo, 2-3 weight training sessions Heavy and thats it.
u right ,,,she had to at one point get her body settled in some way to keep it ,with less effort and the above u stated...
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That wasn`t the point. The point was that she eats around 1800-2500 calories and that is the result. No Cardo, 2-3 weight training sessions Heavy and thats it.
The only "cardio" I do is HIIT that maybe totals about 30min/day. I hit rhe weights 6x/week. I don't crave food when I am around 2300/day. Perhaps I should stay there
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Let me get this out of the way. I believe Layne Norton is a Lifetime Natural.
Not that it matters, his advice is still valid for anyone. I see a lot of you are dieting on low, low calories and it really doesn`t HAVE to be that way. I urge you guys to watch this video and take from it what you will.
of course it doesnt 'have' be that way my friend. all roads lead to rome in a deficit. i prefer to get to rome in weeks instead of months.
i like this diet because for the very fact it is extreme. thats a huge part of my personality. perhaps a disorder of some nature maybe. but i have always done things in extremes. i find challenges in extremes. for example im at exactly 600 cals today. i have had two scoops of protein powder in coffees and a fistfull of almonds. i'll have another coffee protein tonite and go to bed. all this after training chest and back today not taking more than 10 seconds rest between any sets. just to catch my breath. ive discoverd lately this is how i function most optimally. and i love it. cause it is hard.
is it healthy. no. prolly not. then again maybe it is. cavemen lived like this for 10's of thousands of years. we've evolved (de evolved>?) into a society that wants things easy. this isnt easy. its hard. 800 cals a day over 3 days at 240 pounds is hard. i dont have the patience to diet for 8 weeks or 12 weeks or 16 weeks. theres no challenge in it. its boring. regimented. mundane. irritating.
i could get the same results over time. i dont want over time. i want weeks. now. tomorrow. and tomorrow i'll look in the mirror and see what it takes a guy in a standard cal deficit diet do in 3 times the time it took me. thats my challenge. thats what keeps me focused. then to train deflated. depleted. flat. with no energy and to still only rest 10 seconds between sets when i could just lean on this a bit longer, whats 10 more seconds. and then go home and have a coffee with a scoop of protein and some almonds and go to bed. and maybe eat that big meal tomorrow. but prolly not. see if i can squeeze out one more day.
i have been training and dieting for what? almost 2 decades? this is my niche. where i excel and it took me this long to realise i can harness my personality to the point where i could apply it to my workouts. i floated around aimlessly for years routine to routine, diet to diet wasting my time. im finally where i need to be. it just fits.
this isnt a universal or animal ad. im not hardcore. im not trying to be hardcore. i dont even know what that is or means. to me this is what i do cause i love the challenge. its not about a way of living a lifestyle. i just train. and diet. and push. and thats that area where i excel.
is it for everyone? no probably not. but thats not whats its about. it doent have to be for everyone. the only person it has to be for is me. if someone whos like me can read this and take away from it great. im glad i helped you. if not thats great too. tomorrow we'll both be in the gym, doing our thing. heading to rome.
cheers.
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of course it doesnt 'have' be that way my friend. all roads lead to rome in a deficit. i prefer to get to rome in weeks instead of months.
i like this diet because for the very fact it is extreme. thats a huge part of my personality. perhaps a disorder of some nature maybe. but i have always done things in extremes. i find challenges in extremes. for example im at exactly 600 cals today. i have had two scoops of protein powder in coffees and a fistfull of almonds. i'll have another coffee protein tonite and go to bed. all this after training chest and back today not taking more than 10 seconds rest between any sets. just to catch my breath. this is how i function most optimally. and i love it. cause it is hard.
is it healthy. no. prolly not. then again maybe it is. cavemen lived like this for 10's of thousands of years. we've evolved (de evolved>?) into a society that wants things easy. this isnt easy. its hard. 800 cals a day over 3 days at 240 pounds is hard. i dont have the patience to diet for 8 weeks or 12 weeks or 16 weeks. theres no challenge in it. its boring. regimented. mundane. irritating.
i could get the same results over time. i dont want over time. i want weeks. now. tomorrow. and tomorrow i'll look in the mirror and see what it takes a guy in a standard cal deficit diet do in 3 times the time it took me. thats my challenge. thats what keeps me focused. then to train deflated. depleted. flat. with no energy and to still only rest 10 seconds between sets when i could just lean on this a bit longer, whats 10 more seconds. and then go home and have a coffee with a scoop of protein and some almonds and go to bed. and maybe eat that meal tomorrow. but prolly not. see if i can squeeze out one more day.
i have been training and dieting for what? almost 2 decades? this is my niche. where i excel and it took me this long to realise i can harness my personality to the point where i could apply it to my workouts. i floated around aimlessly for years routine to routine, diet to diet wasting my time. im finally where i need to be. it just fits.
this isnt a universal or animal ad. im not hardcore. im not trying to be hardcore. i dont even know what that is or means. to me this is what i do cause i love the challenge. its not about a way of living a lifestyle. i just train. and diet. and push. and thats that area where i excel.
great post,,i do alot of these things stated as well,,,last few lines i could envision my thought process as well...
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of course it doesnt 'have' be that way my friend. all roads lead to rome in a deficit. i prefer to get to rome in weeks instead of months.
i like this diet because for the very fact it is extreme. thats a huge part of my personality. perhaps a disorder of some nature maybe. but i have always done things in extremes. i find challenges in extremes. for example im at exactly 600 cals today. i have had two scoops of protein powder in coffees and a fistfull of almonds. i'll have another coffee protein tonite and go to bed. all this after training chest and back today not taking more than 10 seconds rest between any sets. just to catch my breath. this is how i function most optimally. and i love it. cause it is hard.
is it healthy. no. prolly not. then again maybe it is. cavemen lived like this for 10's of thousands of years. we've evolved (de evolved>?) into a society that wants things easy. this isnt easy. its hard. 800 cals a day over 3 days at 240 pounds is hard. i dont have the patience to diet for 8 weeks or 12 weeks or 16 weeks. theres no challenge in it. its boring. regimented. mundane. irritating.
i could get the same results over time. i dont want over time. i want weeks. now. tomorrow. and tomorrow i'll look in the mirror and see what it takes a guy in a standard cal deficit diet do in 3 times the time it took me. thats my challenge. thats what keeps me focused. then to train deflated. depleted. flat. with no energy and to still only rest 10 seconds between sets when i could just lean on this a bit longer, whats 10 more seconds. and then go home and have a coffee with a scoop of protein and some almonds and go to bed. and maybe eat that big meal tomorrow. but prolly not. see if i can squeeze out one more day.
i have been training and dieting for what? almost 2 decades? this is my niche. where i excel and it took me this long to realise i can harness my personality to the point where i could apply it to my workouts. i floated around aimlessly for years routine to routine, diet to diet wasting my time. im finally where i need to be. it just fits.
this isnt a universal or animal ad. im not hardcore. im not trying to be hardcore. i dont even know what that is or means. to me this is what i do cause i love the challenge. its not about a way of living a lifestyle. i just train. and diet. and push. and thats that area where i excel.
is it for everyone? no probably not. but thats not whats its about. it doent have to be for everyone. the only person it has to be for is me. if someone whos like me can read this and take away from it great. im glad i helped you. if not thats great too. tomorrow we'll both be in the gym, doing our thing. heading to rome.
cheers.
This is a very good post and I think Galeniko alluded to something similar and I agree it does work and it will get you there in a short amount of time and if you can stick with it, its perfect. Its something I could do as well as I have that kind of will power as well. I have dieted on ultra low calories, but my strength took hits and I could never really get that feeling of having a good workout as I would fail quickly in mid set with weight that should have been easy for the allotted reps. I also think I had a much softer appearance.
With that said, I think if one is using roids, the strength will probably be there and the hardness as well as one could probably preserve everything on next to nothing provided they know what they are doing "pharmacologicaly". So that approach would be as optimal as any other in that respect for the enhanced.
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This is a very good post and I think Galeniko alluded to something similar and I agree it does work and it will get you there in a short amount of time and if you can stick with it, its perfect. Its something I could do as well as I have that kind of will power as well. I have dieted on ultra low calories, but my strength took hits and I could never really get that feeling of having a good workout as I would fail quickly in mid set with weight that should have been easy for the allotted reps. I also think I had a much softer appearance.
With that said, I think if one is using roids, the strength will probably be there and the hardness as well as one could probably preserve everything on next to nothing provided they know what they are doing "pharmacologicaly". So that approach would be as optimal as any other in that respect for the enhanced.
last part u wrote,,thats the advantage ,,looking hard and still strong and lean ,and getting away with less training,time,diet ,and still looking great..
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Just be patient. That low is not necessary. This girl eats 1800 calories to 2500, does only 2-3 days weight training in the gym and no cardio.
1800-2000 calories on off-days and up to 2500 calories on training-days. I needed some time to get my metabolism fast, but now I feel fine with keeping my bodyfat and eat lots of calories (in my dimensions).
What is your current routine?
One day is based on Squats, the other on Deadlifts, the rest varies, but I rely strongly on basic movements and 2-3 intense sessions per week. No cardio.
wow 2500 calories and that lean and dry, and all natty too! ::) despite having the metabolism of a 32 year old woman and a maintenance calorie level of 1500 (not accounting workouts)! man, she must burn a lot of calories with her super intense 160lb for 15 reps deadlifts 3 times a week. ::) AMAZING. ::)
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wow 2500 calories and that lean and dry, and all natty too! ::) despite having the metabolism of a 32 year old woman and a maintenance calorie level of 1500 (not accounting workouts)! man, she must burn a lot of calories with her super intense 160lb for 15 reps deadlifts 3 times a week. ::) AMAZING. ::)
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yeah, talking to you about this, its clear that both went through the same exact things and sensations.
i dont know if the fatsos can value how much worth this info is, bc this knowledge doesnt come for free and by itself, this comes from years of experience.if one does 1 cutting diet a year, thatll be couple months of the year gone, and the first couple times newcomers will absolutely fail, for so many reasons:
-they will wrongly think they NEED refeeds, but this will just halt progress and they wont be able to control themselves.good point omn refeed if its lower than maintenance, this is very very importnat.if the refeed is above maintenance, there will be worse conditioning even if one fasts for a day after, when one spills over, some fat gain will happen, the water will be there to but itll go away anyway.
-lack of experience in general
-thinking they need more carbs than they do, or coming from high dosage bulk to same or lower dosage diet is prone to fail
-and so much more, in general a smart bbuilder will learn to "hear out" his body and how it reacts to what.
yes, conditioning the portion sizes will make the waist tighter , the stomach smaller and the ability to overeat will be more or less gone,cycle is the perfect term youve used, and i agree about the refeed, which btw imo needs to be from the worst fats and sugars, and very little protein, a clean refeed of "long" carbs and protein will do fuck all.
yes during hard diet times, the body will simply store water under the skin, from something like 2 bare chicken breasts with nothing on it, its totally random and nobody in the world can control this, but always goes away.
in this precise moment, where everything seems to make you look like shit and flat, you WILL think your muscle is fading away, but IT IS NOT, its just flat.in this moment many think the refeed is necesary, but its not, just stay focussed and carry on.
the only thing about conditioning that seems consistent for me is when i drink a gallon of water today,but none tomorow,on the 3rd day the skin will look transparent if lean enough.those are the days where i take pics and post them there, its all planned ;D ;D
i have sometimes posted pics from the watery and flat day and was suprised how small i looked haha, but then the next day i found that person in the pic looks much bigger than i am, but its me.
and this has nothing to do with carb loading, its clearly a water issue.
ok another thing ive figured out, if i wanna look good the next day, i just have some 100calories of trash food before going to bed and then in the morning i dont drink water, this always leads to than full, lean look.for me atleast, dont know if this is individual or applies to everyone.
the willpower is everything in this, this is why i so deeply hate and despise the lazy fatsos who approach me and ask if theres that magic fatloss pill.
they are in need of so much learning, it leaves me with nothing but facepalms over their naivity and lazyness and wanting an easy way out when there is none.
you know, when i seen hamdi aykutlug the first time, i was young guy, i was soo shocked and amazed how lean he was, but i didnt blow it by asking him which diuretic he uses and how much this or that(everyone would talk about it and put out rumours).i asked him"what in the hell are you eating,whats your diet".he took his valueable time for me and we sat down and he explained stuff to me.
being smart instead of the pretend to be smart attitude"its all drugs", theres a huge difference.
yeah we both said before, if someone takes huge,abuse-level dosages when young and fresh in the training, he will benefit from this many years later still, even if he stops training for years and then comes back.that time when young and absolutly jacked on gear elevates the natural limits, something definitely happens.
this still doesnt make it "all drugs", a real quality physique takes years,years and much knowledge.
the pros might be dumb, but no so dumb to just rely on "its all drugs", they know full well what theyre doing.
the insulin and gh guts come bc they lose their sense for reality, just like cswol.on another level, but same thing.
cheers man, absolute pleasure talking to you 8)
This is a good thread, very constructive/helpful information!
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i know 1 guy who diets on 300gramms carbs daily, and yeah, he comes shredded in the end, but damn, his dieting takes him 16weeks, starting somewhere at just under 10%.
I eat 350 grams carbs per day and sit around 8%. have you ever tried high carb low low fat? my total fat intake for the day comes out to less then 50 grams.
when i eat high fat low carb my muscles deflate and i look like shit.
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So much good info in this thread, glad I started it. Thanks galeniko and all other contributors. Not sure why cswol had to start a negative galeniko thread when gal is just trying to help people. >:(
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Lots of thought going into these posts.
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Thanks Gal,you always look great also.
I was reading your diet thread and the info that you and no one posted is just about what I do.
When I tell people that at times I`ve done 800 cals for several days in a row they are shocked,they are shocked,but usually also,they are fat!! LOL :D
All the best bud,keep keeping it real on here and maybe you can influence some of the permabulkers who only care what the scale says to actually get lean.
I stay lean all year round, and for my age and weight,I am pretty strong,but more importantly I think I base my training around intensity over poundage.
Very little rest and heavy weight for the reps I`m shooting for ................of course taking the short rest periods into consideration,lighter weight gets to feeling very heavy,very fast.
So,if it feels heavy,it IS heavy!!
All the best bro! ;)
Great advice... saves wrecking your Joints too. Great physique Wes. How are you Training now split ..etc...
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Looking great Wes
What`s up my man? :D
I love you bro....YES HOMO!!!!
I really do love you Che.........for real bro! ;)
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What`s up my man? :D
I love you bro....YES HOMO!!!!
I really do love you Che.........for real bro! ;)
;D I love you too WES
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Just keep training hard bro,you`ll make it.
I`ve been through tons of shit and stopped training completely for years at a time,but I always kept it in my mind to do it again,as it is literally a part of me.....I love training and the lifestyle even though it`s tough,it`s better than just being average looking,that`s too easy, and guys like Jizzo are average or below average looking, and it would be no fun at all to look like that! ;)
Well, I only have 9 more years to attain it! That said, training is going great.
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Just keep training hard bro,you`ll make it.
I`ve been through tons of shit and stopped training completely for years at a time,but I always kept it in my mind to do it again,as it is literally a part of me.....I love training and the lifestyle even though it`s tough,it`s better than just being average looking,that`s too easy, and guys like Jizzo are average or below average looking, and it would be no fun at all to look like that! ;)
So now that you have come out on the other side, you feel the need to cast stones from on top of your pedestal?
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oh yes, thats the goal, to make some ppl atleast try to get in shape, encouragement.
but yeah seeing as how clueless many or of diet, the fuel of all this, i dont even bother discussing training, but i do something similiar to you, little rest, high volume and heavy enough training, this is very good sentence" if it feels heavy,it is".
while permafatsos overeat in order to have "stronger" lifts, they miss out on the real training.
who cares what anyone can bench, after 10 days of almost no carbs and low bodyfat, and if done fly chest movements, nobody wil bench much.
besides it s all the ability to flex properly,under just the right load.
training is going fantastic and yea, this is my goal, to still look something like now at your age.not size, hell i could live with 10lbs less size.but no less than that ;D
ha, yeah , it looks kinda light when i train, but i do squats with say 3 plates all the way down very slowly ,then afterwards i run straight to the legpress, then straight hamstring curls, then quad curl machine or what its called.
everyone who would run their mouth and tried to hang would just gass out very quickly.
some strong guys eh ;D
when theres no resting between sets, everything feels heavy, and i got to say,this considered,im kinda strong, and its not like just bc those lifts will be lighter, that you have lost strenght.
its just that strenght is a very vague and relative term.i see you got that down.
Excellent post. Summary do your muscles ever ask you "how much weight do have on the bar"? It's tension on muscle fibers.
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oh yes, thats the goal, to make some ppl atleast try to get in shape, encouragement.
but yeah seeing as how clueless many or of diet, the fuel of all this, i dont even bother discussing training, but i do something similiar to you, little rest, high volume and heavy enough training, this is very good sentence" if it feels heavy,it is".
while permafatsos overeat in order to have "stronger" lifts, they miss out on the real training.
who cares what anyone can bench, after 10 days of almost no carbs and low bodyfat, and if done fly chest movements, nobody wil bench much.
besides it s all the ability to flex properly,under just the right load.
training is going fantastic and yea, this is my goal, to still look something like now at your age.not size, hell i could live with 10lbs less size.but no less than that ;D
ha, yeah , it looks kinda light when i train, but i do squats with say 3 plates all the way down very slowly ,then afterwards i run straight to the legpress, then straight hamstring curls, then quad curl machine or what its called.
everyone who would run their mouth and tried to hang would just gass out very quickly.
some strong guys eh ;D
when theres no resting between sets, everything feels heavy, and i got to say,this considered,im kinda strong, and its not like just bc those lifts will be lighter, that you have lost strenght.
its just that strenght is a very vague and relative term.i see you got that down.
It took me a long time to realize that all that heavy weight I used years ago,didn`t actually do much for my physique.
I trained as heavy as I could all the time and got stronger,but actually gained very little muscle size,not that I`m big now,but you know what I mean,I`m sure.
For example,at a bodyweight of around 165 pounds,I can do seated alternate curls with the 70`s for a decent 5 reps,but I get far better results by using the 30`s or 40 pounders and doing Super-Sets with a triceps movement.
Used to squat 315 rock bottom for sets of 8-10 reps at 160 pounds and got zero leg development from them.............my back hurt a lot though! LOL :D
Now I`ll do a few exercises in a row,no rest,high reps of 20-50 and my legs are responding well.......still jot huge,but way better than before using the heavy stuff.
It took me ages to realize that nobody really cares what you can bench unless you`re a powerlifter,but when you look good,everyone will comment on your build.
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I can do seated alternate curls with the 70`s for a decent 5 reps,but I get far better results by using the 30`s or 40 pounders and doing Super-Sets with a triceps movement.
Exactly, take the muscle to failure as quickly as possible by what ever means.(supersets, giant sets, drop sets)
No point picking up 70s and doing 8 reps and then sitting around until you have recovered enough to do it again.
I watch guys using big weights and they do 4 or 5 sets and walk away to do something else, no pump in the muscle and very little concentration or real effort, what a colossal waste of time.
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bb'ing made it acceptable for me to mix tuna fish with rice and ketchup.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmm
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Used to squat 315 rock bottom for sets of 8-10 reps at 160 pounds and got zero leg development from them.............my back hurt a lot though! LOL
If you were doing low bar or not going ass to grass then no wonder. It's impossible not to grow huge legs from doing heavy high bar ATG squats. It's basic natural movement, if you cannot do it then something is wrong with your flexibility or mobility. These issues must be addressed for your health coz especially at your age they may cause problems.
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Nah, his password has always been SELLOUT.
Why do you drink so much? What are you running from?
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Hey Donny,good to see you bro.
In your honor,I`m having my wife sport a pair of white panties this evening!! ;D
I train 5 days a week:
Legs (quads,hams,and calves)
Chest/Abs
Back/Traps
Shoulders/Abs/Calves
Arms
Weekend off,except during contest prep then I may train on Saturday........depends on how I`m looking.
yeah...can´t beat White panties.... ;D
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Get a girlfriend and do shit together.
Lee, is that you?
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ok - i followed Gals advice.
Did mini fast for. 24 hours super low calories - high water intake - ate shit load of vegetbles reens, etc - ate some bs not much in the middle of the night -
Woke up - water excess gone and look tighter than i have in a week or so.
Dude knows his stuff.
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Talking shit about getbig?
Picking sides?
Slinking back?
How old are you FFS?
its a dumb internet forum where people fuck about writing dumb comments and having a laugh.
Grow up you stupid asshole.
Go get some pussy because dude, you're fucking negative.
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Here's a little trick I have used to accelerate the fat loss. On rare occasions will have guys eat nothing but tuna for a day or two. You have to know when and how long to do this though. I did NOT do it for the guy who's pics I posted. Trust me it's not for the faint of heart. Best to do it on a day you do not have much going on.
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Gal guessing you don't exactly measure but what would the macros roughly look like for you, on a typical day?
150-200 protein, 0 carb other than veggies and how much fat?
Cheers 8)
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Just be patient. That low is not necessary. This girl eats 1800 calories to 2500, does only 2-3 days weight training in the gym and no cardio.
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1800-2000 calories on off-days and up to 2500 calories on training-days. I needed some time to get my metabolism fast, but now I feel fine with keeping my bodyfat and eat lots of calories (in my dimensions).
What is your current routine?
One day is based on Squats, the other on Deadlifts, the rest varies, but I rely strongly on basic movements and 2-3 intense sessions per week. No cardio.
this girl also seems to be taking dyazide or some shit before photoshoots
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i actually do that at times for a day.have a fish only day.sometimes all tuna sometimes all aspergus or whats the name.
or shrimps only day.those are harsh :D
Yeah I almost feel sorry sometimes when I do this to some of my guys. I had one guy who lost 85 pounds in 25 weeks. He really suffered but came in looking almost as ripped as the guy who's pic I posted and he some veins in his abs. As was said in an earlier posts by someone you have to WANT to get ripped because you are at some point going to suffer.
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this girl also seems to be taking dyazide or some shit before photoshoots
Mostly photoshop.
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Off-Season is running, 3300 calories per day / 53-54kg BW constant... Lifting is pretty good, aiming for some new PR's in the comming weeks
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I don't mind the pics of random females adonis but how about posting a recent pic showing us you practice what you preach...
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I don't mind the pics of random females adonis but how about posting a recent pic showing us you practice what you preach...
I agree. Its long overdue and will put some up shortly. I have a target goal and closing in on it so I have to take pictures anyways.
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I agree. Its long overdue and will put some up shortly. I have a target goal and closing in on it so I have to take pictures anyways.
Heterosexually looking forward to seeing them.
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epic contribution adonis, you even put it in red so we could clearly see how irreverent it was!
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Yeah I almost feel sorry sometimes when I do this to some of my guys. I had one guy who lost 85 pounds in 25 weeks. He really suffered but came in looking almost as ripped as the guy who's pic I posted and he some veins in his abs. As was said in an earlier posts by someone you have to WANT to get ripped because you are at some point going to suffer.
absolutely and reallt thats the whole key to all of this. you have to want it bad enough your willing to suffer. and once you make that commitment for some weird reason the suffering isnt as bad. but if you don't have the mindset going in that anything less than success from this dieting strategy is a failure then you will not be able to suffer thru it. at some level and I dont know how and can't explain it but your mind overrides your desire to eat for pleasure. it cannot in my experience shut down feelings of absolute hunger but it can turn off desires to eat for pleasure. your brain once you've committed can control cravings I believe.
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absolutely and reallt thats the whole key to all of this. you have to want it bad enough your willing to suffer. and once you make that commitment for some weird reason the suffering isnt as bad. but if you don't have the mindset going in that anything less than success from this dieting strategy is a failure then you will not be able to suffer thru it. at some level and I dont know how and can't explain it but your mind overrides your desire to eat for pleasure. it cannot in my experience shut down feelings of absolute hunger but it can turn off desires to eat for pleasure. your brain once you've committed can control cravings I believe.
Exactly. Doesn`t matter which diet anyone follows this is true. I feel the same way about anything. You have to have a mind that is able to laser and lock in.
I always find people who "binge eat" humorous and moronic. Especially when they talk of Fast Food. I mean there are SO MANY steps they have to take to end up with a bunch of food on their plate. They have to get there and physically order things. Why not just one Double Cheeseburger and a Large Fry, or just a Milkshake, or just a Whopper- Why order the whole menu? They can only eat what they buy, but yet they act as if there is this dominant force guiding them and that they have no control whatsoever and its not them eating it, but whoever is commanding them.
Many of those morons on Getbig and I find them weak minded, weak willed and hilarious.
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Exactly. Doesn`t matter which diet anyone follows this is true. I feel the same way about anything. You have to have a mind that is able to laser and lock in.
I always find people who "binge eat" humorous and moronic. Especially when they talk of Fast Food. I mean there are SO MANY steps they have to take to end up with a bunch of food on their plate. They have to get their and physically order things. Why not just one Double Cheeseburger and a Large Fry, or just a Milkshake, or just a Whopper- Why order the whole menu? They can only eat what they buy, but yet they act as if there is this dominant force guiding them and that they have no control whatsoever and its not them eating it, but whoever is commanding them.
Many of those morons on Getbig and I find them weak minded, weak willed and hilarious.
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Here is another tip.
If you are feeling hungry at any time, drink a lot of water and then go do something physical outside. Something with a task and a goal. You will forget that you were ever hungry in the first place. Sitting around won`t help you.
this is the best dieting advice ever!
if you just sit around thinking about how hungry you are, you are going to need the willpower of 10 saints
if you are trying to do a hard math problem or something, you might forget about your hunger for hours...
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Might As well post a pic of victor Richards and recommend that we all eat 10k cals a day, only simpletons like mcway believe everything they read..
I had a refeed last night, a single bread roll and a bowl of oats above my daily diet, felt strong today and no weight gain like with binge pig out refeeds
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if you are trying to do a hard math problem or something, you might forget about your hunger for hours...
Lol, guys on here cant string a sentence together let alone do hard maths problems. ;D
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wes looks great in that pic. How can you hate on the guy who at 57 looks better than 99.999999% of the population ever will in their lifetime?
it's actually quite easy to hate when that look is attained via a tren drip obtained from sucking up to a psychopath drug dealer that posts people's and their children's info up and makes death threats against said people and their children on a routine basis.
inb4 "hurrrr i look at my abs, your argument is invalid"
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actually guys the real beauty of this thread is that only very few people have followed it to these last pages, and if they followed it to those last pages, chances are they are ready to make a serious commitment to getting in the kind of shape thru suffering and diet that really not 'everyone' can achieve. so for the first time in a very long time in giving advise on a forum based on my experience(s) (other than in pm's) i feel like im not wasting my time here :D and its a good feeling knowing that people will take and apply what you tell them and they will succeed.
in that spirit, heres some tips to help you that i have found worked for me.
commit to suffering getting lean. understand that nothing short of reaching that goal is failure. i used to have 3k cal binges that made me feel guilty when i was dieting. now im so locked in if i eat 300 cals extra in almonds i feel like im cheating myself. get this mindset. it'll keep you away from the fridge.
whats 300 cals you say? 300 cals is ONE QUARTER of your daily allotment of cals when you are ultra low cal dieting. one quarter! so yea, 300 cals is a very big deal. get this mindset too.
when you get hungry grab a coffee. instead of cream and sugar use a scoop of protein powder. caffeine is an appetite suppressant. and be patient. soon after the hunger goes away. and the coffee is hot so it'll take a while to drink it
know your brain, know your body. take the time to listen to it. understand how it works. what it needs. learn to differentiate between actual hunger and mental cravings. this will prevent you from eating when your body is truly not hungry.
buy a protein powder that doesnt have aspartame in it. for some strange reason i think aspartame fucks w my insulin levels. in my experience when you fuck w your insulin levels cravings result and appetite increases.
stay away from sugars and try to stay under 100 grams carbs on your big meal day. it makes it so much easier to get right back into 800cal and no carbs the following day. you do not need a lot of carbs to feel amazing in the gym the next couple workouts.
forget about 'eating for taste'. eating for taste will ruin you and sabotage your mentality. this is about eating to perform your tasks and thats it. i dont use condiments or salt, in fact i dont even eat whole foods, and if i do its a baked potato and 3 whole eggs. no salt no mustard no ketchup no salsa. eating for taste gets your body craving food, and looking forward to meals. you want to fight that? fuck that i dont. this is utilitarian, not michelin.
find 2-3 key foods to use (see- when you get the mindset your not eating your using food). for me its natty peanut butter, protein powder and raw almonds. thats it. nothing fancy. i dont want variety. i dont want to eat tons of different foods. i dont want taste cause im not eating for taste. im eating to lose fat.
why raw almonds? cause when im at work i can put a handful in my pocket. they are always there. when i get hungry i have a few. i dont let my hunger build i kill it right away. you let it get out of control it'll crush you. i always have almonds everywhere. on the passenger seat of my car. if im driving and get hungry its a handful of almonds which saves the weak from pulling into Mcd's and crushing 3k cal. plus i dont like raw almonds they taste like shit. thats why i use them.
use tren. and its not about using tren to burn fat, or to build muscle theres something else it does very well. tren gives you a kind of energy i cant explain- a nervous energy. and when your in a 2k cal deficit a day this is handy. you dont need 300mg and up a week to get this effect. im getting it on 100mg a week. so if you are 'afraid' of tren, you dont need a lot of it if your using it the way i am using it here. 100mg is fine. 100mg wont kill you. this is coming from a guy who used to run 700mg a week pretty much year round.
natural peanut butter is your friend. watching tv and get hungry? have a scoop of natty pb. make a coffee. go sit down in 20 minutes you'll be gtg. but for some reason and i dont know why almonds blunt my hunger better, and it takes way less of them.
if you cant train heavy in the gym, be intense. not intense as in ARRRGH! intensity as in set to set to set all weight to failure. doesnt have to be heavy just dont stop moving. if you cant lift heavy chase the pump and sweat it out. on those days you can train heavy train the same way. just cause your training heavy doesnt mean you get to sit around with your thumb in your ass for a minute between sets.
get rid of preconceived notions about a) dieting, meal timing and eating to 'hold onto muscle' out the window. there is no magic window for post workout carbs here. no x amount of protein per pound bodyweight. just using food to keep your body moving thru day. this is about losing fat. thats it.
and b) losing muscle. do you have any idea how hard to have to work to 'lose muscle'? any clue? any idea of the workload necessary to while in a severe cal deficit to destroy tissue? i keep hearing this shit online all. the. time. you'll lose muscle bro. you'll lose muscle. ridiculous. meanwhile they are all 240 pound perma bulkers who havent seen 5 percent in their lives. why? cause they are afraid to lose muscle bro. ya you'll flatten out. you'll like crap. you'll be watery. your body will be all out of whack. but lose muscle?look at Gals picks. tell me the fucker has lost muscle. the guy is 100% shredded muscle. lose muscle. gimme a break.
ok, thats it for now. more later as i think of them and im sorry if i have repeated anything anyone has said i was just banging things off the top of my head. props to everyone for such a great thread. if your lurking, contribute- you might have an idea or hint someone here can use. you wont get flamed in here. this is seriously about us all helping each other. the flaming is hwat the rest of the board is for :D
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actually guys the real beauty of this thread is that only very few people have followed it to these last pages, and if they followed it to those last pages, chances are they are ready to make a serious commitment to getting in the kind of shape thru suffering and diet that really not 'everyone' can achieve. so for the first time in a very long time in giving advise on a forum (other than in pm's) based on my experience(s) i feel like im not wasting my time here :D and its a good feeling knowing that people will take and apply what you tell them and they will succeed.
in that spirit, heres some tips to help you that i have found worked for me.
commit to suffering getting lean. understand that nothing short of reaching that goal is failure. i used to have 3k cal binges that made me feel guilty when i was dieting. now im so locked in if i eat 300 cals extra in almonds i feel like im cheating myself. get this mindset. it'll keep you away from the fridge.
whats 300 cals you say? 300 cals is ONE QUARTER of your daily allotment of cals when you are ultra low cal dieting. one quarter! so yea, 300 cals is a very big deal. get this mindset too.
when you get hungry grab a coffee. instead of cream and sugar use a scoop of protein powder. caffeine is an appetite suppressant. and be patient. soon after the hunger goes away. and the coffee is hot so it'll take a while to drink it
know your brain, know your body. take the time to listen to it. understand how it works. what it needs. learn to differentiate between actual hunger and mental cravings. this will prevent you from eating when your body is truly not hungry.
buy a protein powder that doesnt have aspartame in it. for some strange reason i think aspartame fucks w my insulin levels. in my experience when you fuck w your insulin levels cravings result and appetite increases.
stay away from sugars and try to stay under 100 grams carbs on your big meal day. it makes it so much easier to get right back into 800cal and no carbs the following day. you do not need a lot of carbs to feel amazing in the gym the next couple workouts.
forget about 'eating for taste'. eating for taste will ruin you and sabotage your mentality. this is about eating to perform your tasks and thats it. i dont use condiments or salt, in fact i dont even eat whole foods, and if i do its a baked potato and 3 whole eggs. no salt no mustard no ketchup no salsa. eating for taste gets your body craving food, and looking forward to meals. you want to fight that? fuck that i dont. this is utilitarian, not michelin.
find 2-3 key foods to use (see- when you get the mindset your not eating your using food). for me its natty peanut butter, protein powder and raw almonds. thats it. nothing fancy. i dont want variety. i dont want to eat tons of different foods. i dont want taste cause im not eating for taste. im eating to lose fat.
why raw almonds? cause when im at work i can put a handful in my pocket. they are always there. when i get hungry i have a few. i dont let my hunger build i kill it right away. you let it get out of control it'll crush you. i always have almonds everywhere. on the passenger seat of my car. if im driving and get hungry its a handful of almonds which saves the weak from pulling into Mcd's and crushing 3k cal. plus i dont like raw almonds they taste like shit. thats why i use them.
use tren. and its not about using tren to burn fat, or to build muscle theres something else it does very well. tren gives you a kind of energy i cant explain- a nervous energy. and when your in a 2k cal deficit a day this is handy. you dont need 300mg and up a week to get this effect. im getting it on 100mg a week. so if you are 'afraid' of tren, you dont need a lot of it if your using it the way i am using it here. 100mg is fine. 100mg wont kill you. this is coming from a guy who used to run 700mg a week pretty much year round.
natural peanut butter is your friend. watching tv and get hungry? have a scoop of natty pb. make a coffee. go sit down in 20 minutes you'll be gtg. but for some reason and i dont know why almonds blunt my hunger better, and it takes way less of them.
if you cant train heavy in the gym, be intense. not intense as in ARRRGH! intensity as in set to set to set all weight to failure. doesnt have to be heavy just dont stop moving. if you cant lift heavy chase the pump and sweat it out. on those days you can train heavy train the same way. just cause your training heavy doesnt mean you get to sit around with your thumb in your ass for a minute between sets.
get rid of preconceived notions about a) dieting, meal timing and eating to 'hold onto muscle' out the window. there is no magic window for post workout carbs here. no x amount of protein per pound bodyweight. just using food to keep your body moving thru day. this is about losing fat. thats it.
and b) losing muscle. do you have any idea how hard to have to work to 'lose muscle'? any clue? any idea of the workload necessary to while in a severe cal deficit to destroy tissue? i keep hearing this shit online all. the. time. you'll lose muscle bro. you'll lose muscle. ridiculous. meanwhile they are all 240 pound perma bulkers who havent seen 5 percent in their lives. why? cause they are afraid to lose muscle bro. ya you'll flatten out. you'll like crap. you'll be watery. your body will be all out of whack. but lose muscle?look at Gals picks. tell me the fucker has lost muscle. the guy is 100% shredded muscle. lose muscle. gimme a break.
ok, thats it for now. more later as i think of them and im sorry if i have repeated anything anyone has said i was just banging things off the top of my head. props to everyone for such a great thread. if your lurking, contribute- you might have an idea or hint someone here can use. you wont get flamed in here. this is seriously about us all helping each other. the flaming is hwat the rest of the board is for :D
I will not suffer through that novel you just wrote. Meltdown.
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I will not suffer through that novel you just wrote. Meltdown.
this makes me kinda happy actually. :)
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this makes me kinda happy actually. :)
You are a quality poster. I make fun of the the good posters on here. I have a frat house mentality. Getbig is one big frat house.
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You are a quality poster. I make fun of the the good posters on here. I have a frat house mentality. Getbig is one big frat house.
agreed. with it all. lol
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Great post no-one, I've saved this thread to go over again when I'm hitting rock bottom.
I'm on low dose test and tren and really leaning out, this was before introducing this ultra low cal/carb approach...looking forward to the battle in a twisted way ;D
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Great post no-one, I've saved this thread to go over again when I'm hitting rock bottom.
I'm on low dose test and tren and really leaning out, this was before introducing this ultra low cal/carb approach...looking forward to the battle in a twisted way ;D
Did you eat the bones?
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174.4 8)
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to be totaly honest, i believe too that layne norton is natural, apart from maybe a fatburner and little bit prohormones here and there.
all he does is get lean once in a while, it could be possible.
im not taking the piss btw, but fatburners and some prohormones can pass as natty for all i care
Gal, are you aware that Laynes last contest weight was 196 at 5'10? You are what, 6'1? What do you predict your contest weight would be? Probably something around 200 too and you are on all kind of roids. If Layne was so natural then you must suck pretty bad :: ??? ::)
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Gal, are you aware that Laynes last contest weight was 196 at 5'10? You are what, 6'1? What do you predict your contest weight would be? Probably something around 200 too and you are on all kind of roids. If Layne was so natural then you must suck pretty bad :: ??? ::)
Since when does overall weight matter in how someone looks? Galeniko at his current weight looks much better than the Pro Bodybuilders in my opinion and they outweigh him.
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actually guys the real beauty of this thread is that only very few people have followed it to these last pages, and if they followed it to those last pages, chances are they are ready to make a serious commitment to getting in the kind of shape thru suffering and diet that really not 'everyone' can achieve. so for the first time in a very long time in giving advise on a forum based on my experience(s) (other than in pm's) i feel like im not wasting my time here :D and its a good feeling knowing that people will take and apply what you tell them and they will succeed.
in that spirit, heres some tips to help you that i have found worked for me.
commit to suffering getting lean. understand that nothing short of reaching that goal is failure. i used to have 3k cal binges that made me feel guilty when i was dieting. now im so locked in if i eat 300 cals extra in almonds i feel like im cheating myself. get this mindset. it'll keep you away from the fridge.
whats 300 cals you say? 300 cals is ONE QUARTER of your daily allotment of cals when you are ultra low cal dieting. one quarter! so yea, 300 cals is a very big deal. get this mindset too.
when you get hungry grab a coffee. instead of cream and sugar use a scoop of protein powder. caffeine is an appetite suppressant. and be patient. soon after the hunger goes away. and the coffee is hot so it'll take a while to drink it
know your brain, know your body. take the time to listen to it. understand how it works. what it needs. learn to differentiate between actual hunger and mental cravings. this will prevent you from eating when your body is truly not hungry.
buy a protein powder that doesnt have aspartame in it. for some strange reason i think aspartame fucks w my insulin levels. in my experience when you fuck w your insulin levels cravings result and appetite increases.
stay away from sugars and try to stay under 100 grams carbs on your big meal day. it makes it so much easier to get right back into 800cal and no carbs the following day. you do not need a lot of carbs to feel amazing in the gym the next couple workouts.
forget about 'eating for taste'. eating for taste will ruin you and sabotage your mentality. this is about eating to perform your tasks and thats it. i dont use condiments or salt, in fact i dont even eat whole foods, and if i do its a baked potato and 3 whole eggs. no salt no mustard no ketchup no salsa. eating for taste gets your body craving food, and looking forward to meals. you want to fight that? fuck that i dont. this is utilitarian, not michelin.
find 2-3 key foods to use (see- when you get the mindset your not eating your using food). for me its natty peanut butter, protein powder and raw almonds. thats it. nothing fancy. i dont want variety. i dont want to eat tons of different foods. i dont want taste cause im not eating for taste. im eating to lose fat.
why raw almonds? cause when im at work i can put a handful in my pocket. they are always there. when i get hungry i have a few. i dont let my hunger build i kill it right away. you let it get out of control it'll crush you. i always have almonds everywhere. on the passenger seat of my car. if im driving and get hungry its a handful of almonds which saves the weak from pulling into Mcd's and crushing 3k cal. plus i dont like raw almonds they taste like shit. thats why i use them.
use tren. and its not about using tren to burn fat, or to build muscle theres something else it does very well. tren gives you a kind of energy i cant explain- a nervous energy. and when your in a 2k cal deficit a day this is handy. you dont need 300mg and up a week to get this effect. im getting it on 100mg a week. so if you are 'afraid' of tren, you dont need a lot of it if your using it the way i am using it here. 100mg is fine. 100mg wont kill you. this is coming from a guy who used to run 700mg a week pretty much year round.
natural peanut butter is your friend. watching tv and get hungry? have a scoop of natty pb. make a coffee. go sit down in 20 minutes you'll be gtg. but for some reason and i dont know why almonds blunt my hunger better, and it takes way less of them.
if you cant train heavy in the gym, be intense. not intense as in ARRRGH! intensity as in set to set to set all weight to failure. doesnt have to be heavy just dont stop moving. if you cant lift heavy chase the pump and sweat it out. on those days you can train heavy train the same way. just cause your training heavy doesnt mean you get to sit around with your thumb in your ass for a minute between sets.
get rid of preconceived notions about a) dieting, meal timing and eating to 'hold onto muscle' out the window. there is no magic window for post workout carbs here. no x amount of protein per pound bodyweight. just using food to keep your body moving thru day. this is about losing fat. thats it.
and b) losing muscle. do you have any idea how hard to have to work to 'lose muscle'? any clue? any idea of the workload necessary to while in a severe cal deficit to destroy tissue? i keep hearing this shit online all. the. time. you'll lose muscle bro. you'll lose muscle. ridiculous. meanwhile they are all 240 pound perma bulkers who havent seen 5 percent in their lives. why? cause they are afraid to lose muscle bro. ya you'll flatten out. you'll like crap. you'll be watery. your body will be all out of whack. but lose muscle?look at Gals picks. tell me the fucker has lost muscle. the guy is 100% shredded muscle. lose muscle. gimme a break.
ok, thats it for now. more later as i think of them and im sorry if i have repeated anything anyone has said i was just banging things off the top of my head. props to everyone for such a great thread. if your lurking, contribute- you might have an idea or hint someone here can use. you wont get flamed in here. this is seriously about us all helping each other. the flaming is hwat the rest of the board is for :D
EXCELLENT POST!
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Since when does overall weight matter in how someone looks? Galeniko at his current weight looks much better than the Pro Bodybuilders in my opinion and they outweigh him.
Its not the weight that matters. Its whether you are natural or not. Galeniko is not natural.
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actually guys the real beauty of this thread is that only very few people have followed it to these last pages, and if they followed it to those last pages, chances are they are ready to make a serious commitment to getting in the kind of shape thru suffering and diet that really not 'everyone' can achieve. so for the first time in a very long time in giving advise on a forum based on my experience(s) (other than in pm's) i feel like im not wasting my time here :D and its a good feeling knowing that people will take and apply what you tell them and they will succeed.
in that spirit, heres some tips to help you that i have found worked for me.
commit to suffering getting lean. understand that nothing short of reaching that goal is failure. i used to have 3k cal binges that made me feel guilty when i was dieting. now im so locked in if i eat 300 cals extra in almonds i feel like im cheating myself. get this mindset. it'll keep you away from the fridge.
whats 300 cals you say? 300 cals is ONE QUARTER of your daily allotment of cals when you are ultra low cal dieting. one quarter! so yea, 300 cals is a very big deal. get this mindset too.
when you get hungry grab a coffee. instead of cream and sugar use a scoop of protein powder. caffeine is an appetite suppressant. and be patient. soon after the hunger goes away. and the coffee is hot so it'll take a while to drink it
know your brain, know your body. take the time to listen to it. understand how it works. what it needs. learn to differentiate between actual hunger and mental cravings. this will prevent you from eating when your body is truly not hungry.
buy a protein powder that doesnt have aspartame in it. for some strange reason i think aspartame fucks w my insulin levels. in my experience when you fuck w your insulin levels cravings result and appetite increases.
stay away from sugars and try to stay under 100 grams carbs on your big meal day. it makes it so much easier to get right back into 800cal and no carbs the following day. you do not need a lot of carbs to feel amazing in the gym the next couple workouts.
forget about 'eating for taste'. eating for taste will ruin you and sabotage your mentality. this is about eating to perform your tasks and thats it. i dont use condiments or salt, in fact i dont even eat whole foods, and if i do its a baked potato and 3 whole eggs. no salt no mustard no ketchup no salsa. eating for taste gets your body craving food, and looking forward to meals. you want to fight that? fuck that i dont. this is utilitarian, not michelin.
find 2-3 key foods to use (see- when you get the mindset your not eating your using food). for me its natty peanut butter, protein powder and raw almonds. thats it. nothing fancy. i dont want variety. i dont want to eat tons of different foods. i dont want taste cause im not eating for taste. im eating to lose fat.
why raw almonds? cause when im at work i can put a handful in my pocket. they are always there. when i get hungry i have a few. i dont let my hunger build i kill it right away. you let it get out of control it'll crush you. i always have almonds everywhere. on the passenger seat of my car. if im driving and get hungry its a handful of almonds which saves the weak from pulling into Mcd's and crushing 3k cal. plus i dont like raw almonds they taste like shit. thats why i use them.
use tren. and its not about using tren to burn fat, or to build muscle theres something else it does very well. tren gives you a kind of energy i cant explain- a nervous energy. and when your in a 2k cal deficit a day this is handy. you dont need 300mg and up a week to get this effect. im getting it on 100mg a week. so if you are 'afraid' of tren, you dont need a lot of it if your using it the way i am using it here. 100mg is fine. 100mg wont kill you. this is coming from a guy who used to run 700mg a week pretty much year round.
natural peanut butter is your friend. watching tv and get hungry? have a scoop of natty pb. make a coffee. go sit down in 20 minutes you'll be gtg. but for some reason and i dont know why almonds blunt my hunger better, and it takes way less of them.
if you cant train heavy in the gym, be intense. not intense as in ARRRGH! intensity as in set to set to set all weight to failure. doesnt have to be heavy just dont stop moving. if you cant lift heavy chase the pump and sweat it out. on those days you can train heavy train the same way. just cause your training heavy doesnt mean you get to sit around with your thumb in your ass for a minute between sets.
get rid of preconceived notions about a) dieting, meal timing and eating to 'hold onto muscle' out the window. there is no magic window for post workout carbs here. no x amount of protein per pound bodyweight. just using food to keep your body moving thru day. this is about losing fat. thats it.
and b) losing muscle. do you have any idea how hard to have to work to 'lose muscle'? any clue? any idea of the workload necessary to while in a severe cal deficit to destroy tissue? i keep hearing this shit online all. the. time. you'll lose muscle bro. you'll lose muscle. ridiculous. meanwhile they are all 240 pound perma bulkers who havent seen 5 percent in their lives. why? cause they are afraid to lose muscle bro. ya you'll flatten out. you'll like crap. you'll be watery. your body will be all out of whack. but lose muscle?look at Gals picks. tell me the fucker has lost muscle. the guy is 100% shredded muscle. lose muscle. gimme a break.
ok, thats it for now. more later as i think of them and im sorry if i have repeated anything anyone has said i was just banging things off the top of my head. props to everyone for such a great thread. if your lurking, contribute- you might have an idea or hint someone here can use. you wont get flamed in here. this is seriously about us all helping each other. the flaming is hwat the rest of the board is for :D
I was with you until the tren. As a natty, I know that sub-10 isn't realistic without looking wasted, so I am ok with that. It is all in the head. I train in the AM and always train fasted. At first, it was horrible, now I don't even notice.
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With all do respect...what's he 5'4-5'4 1/2.....
5'6 according to musclememory i believe.
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I was with you until the tren. As a natty, I know that sub-10 isn't realistic without looking wasted, so I am ok with that. It is all in the head. I train in the AM and always train fasted. At first, it was horrible, now I don't even notice.
Not true.
Tons of Naturals look impressive sub-10.
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hm, contest weight doesnt mean much, tough.
2 guys of similiar height and same bodyfat and weight, one can quite outsize the other.
layne isnt entirely natural,and maybe on more than my hrt at times.
hes really not big, the leanness can give very misleading impression.
great post noone will adress this later.
lets hear what your opinion is on what to do if a binge happens, it happens to the best :D
imo one should fast afterwards as very lng as possible.excellent point on the disguising hunger from barin cravings btw.
actually dude I don't get the craving that would lead to a binge in this methodology. that why I don't put in my post 'don't have foods in the house that can cause you to fail'. cause for me that's a non factor. my freezer is full of ice cream. frozen pizzas. eggo waffles. a 40oz of kahlua. there is no failing. there's only 150-300 cals at a time till I reach my daily allotment. breaking my diet isn't a binge. breaking my diet now is 300 cals over 800-1000. see how far removed I am mentally from that possibility? it's not even possible to fathom that even happening. .
that being said. there is going to be real hunger. the body will demand nurtrients like sodium carbs fats and in great amounts. this is what that meal up to maintenance is for. it's recognizing the difference between necessity and want, and fulfilling those needs to get your body to keep performing it's function.
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welcome back wes
bit surprised to see you here
but once a get bigger always a get bigger :-*
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Since when does overall weight matter in how someone looks? Galeniko at his current weight looks much better than the Pro Bodybuilders in my opinion and they outweigh him.
great post
scale weight means fuck all
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great post
scale weight means fuck all
Exactly, its how you look that counts ;)
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yah i remember many times when the bodyweights of many ppl here were questioned, as if it matered.
i dont care if im 220 or 160lbs as long i look as i look :D
Exactly.
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I have zero tolerance for these guys who come to me and then all they talk about is their weight. Example, someone comes to me at a fat 230 I tell them they will prob step on stage a ripped 176 middle. They say no way man I wanna compete as a heavy. Yeah we'll I wanna win the fuckin lottery. Don't blame me for your fatness.
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I have zero tolerance for these guys who come to me and then all they talk about is their weight. Example, someone comes to me at a fat 230 I tell them they will prob step on stage a ripped 176 middle. They say no way man I wanna compete as a heavy. Yeah we'll I wanna win the fuckin lottery. Don't blame me for your fatness.
my take is everyone has their own in shape ideal weight
based on genetics
people need to accept this rather than trying to carry more mass than suits them
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or arm size.
either its impressive looking or not.
or total size.
when the fat and water is off and only skin,,skeleton and muscle are left, its judgement day :D
itl be lot less mass on ppl than they wanna believe, they will think theyre losing muscle, but it actualy is literaly all flab,fat and water, many have not the slightest idea how much comes off in the end.
theyre not losing mscle, cant lose something that wasnt there in the first place.
esp if they never dieted down.
i mean one can have target weight, but its bit pointless if hes 10% once he reaches that weight ;D
Exactly, they act like its my fault they don't come in on stage a ripped 250. ;D Thankfully it wasn't too often at all that someone didn't listen to me.
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I have zero tolerance for these guys who come to me and then all they talk about is their weight. Example, someone comes to me at a fat 230 I tell them they will prob step on stage a ripped 176 middle. They say no way man I wanna compete as a heavy. Yeah we'll I wanna win the fuckin lottery. Don't blame me for your fatness.
This
I had a guy come to me for advice about 4 weeks from his comp weighing 240 saying he was doing the heavyweight class, I told him that was fine but he would still be fat, he really thought he had about 10lbs of fat and water to go, when I told him he had 40lbs to come of he burst out laughing then got angry.
He then told other people dont bother asking me anything because I was full of shit, he weighed in 4 weeks later as a heavy and didn't place, he fared better in his next comp two years later as a light-heavy.
Never got an apology off him though. ::)
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or arm size.
either its impressive looking or not.
or total size.
when the fat and water is off and only skin,,skeleton and muscle are left, its judgement day :D
itl be lot less mass on ppl than they wanna believe, they will think theyre losing muscle, but it actualy is literaly all flab,fat and water, many have not the slightest idea how much comes off in the end.
theyre not losing mscle, cant lose something that wasnt there in the first place.
esp if they never dieted down.
i mean one can have target weight, but its bit pointless if hes 10% once he reaches that weight ;D
Yep, until you have been down to contest weight you really dont know how you are going to look.
Most people never do it to find out and live their whole lives in a delusional state
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my take is everyone has their own in shape ideal weight
based on genetics
people need to accept this rather than trying to carry more mass than suits them
Yeah this is true and they also need to realize that when they can pinch an inch fat on their abs it isn't water, it equates to another 20 pounds of scale weight they need to lose.
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Not true.
Tons of Naturals look impressive sub-10.
Good to know. Thanks to you and Gal.
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Repeated tear filled replies to my posts................... .......just shows ho much you care dude!!
I`m sure everyone`s gonna` go ask Dustin.
::)
Why the disrespect from you,I never had a beef with you,but you can go fuck yourself just on general principle my friend......hope that helps! ;)
I`ve always posted anywhere I wanted to and always will.
I respect GH15,so what,the guy has done a lot for me personally,and a lot for bodybuilding.
You don`t like him,too bad,I could care less and I`m sure he`s not losing any sleep over it either.
What have you ever done or accomplished..........if you train at all I mean?
Posting on the internet doesn`t build muscle................ju st a tip for you son.
.......and I didn`t come here to discuss GH15 and whether or not you are a fan,so this is my last response on that matter and to you in general.
PS- I still don`t care,just like to watch punks melt...................v ery amusing to me,and you have to admit I`ve stimulated this thread and got all the gimmicks panties in a bunch!!
Just an FYI for people who say I post at GH15 for the hookups..........I have only bought stuff one time,and one time only almost a year ago,so fuck youirself.
I post there because it`s really good..........sorry you got banned! LOL ;D
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! ;D
"repeated tear filled posts?" do me a favor and count how many times i've posted in this thread, and how many times you've posted trying to prove you don't "give a shit", with pics of yourself and how many times you keep crying about how you look better than everyone else. ;)
as for the hate, sorry but yeah, i hate on people that brown-nose psychopaths that send death threats against people's FAMILIES and put prices on people's heads just for some drug hookups. i don't give two shits about your physique or your work ethic after actions like those, even if you're the reigning mr olympia. no self respecting person would condone such actions.
i notice this is the subject you conveniently fail to address, and try to redirect the conversation towards "hurr look at my abs, i'm so much better than you". well your schoolyard debate tactics won't work. there's tons of people here who KNOW those things i mentioned in the above paragraph happened, and continue to do so. it's a matter of self respect and human decency, not who has better abs, though i'm sure someone like you won't see that or at least admit it to yourself.
yes, i will freely admit you look better than me. congrats to you and your physique. it doesn't really bother me, i'm satisfied with knowing that i'm making progress at the best of my ability, and i have a good 30+ years to catch up to you, whereas you're tapped out and done. it's not a life or death struggle for me. and my face doesn't look like smeagol either which no amount of weightlifting will fix for you, good sir. ;)
one final word, are you seriously gonna call me out for making posts on a forum? especially when you have about 20 times more than me, in this thread even, AND on gh15's forum? come on man, surely you can come up with a bigger straw to grasp. at least tell me some more about how i never train and how i haven't accomplished anything, it cuts me to the bone oh so much. excuse me while i go grab a tub of blue bell and cry about it. :-[ :'(
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"repeated tear filled posts?" do me a favor and count how many times i've posted in this thread, and how many times you've posted trying to prove you don't "give a shit", with pics of yourself and how many times you keep crying about how you look better than everyone else. ;)
as for the hate, sorry but yeah, i hate on people that brown-nose psychopaths that send death threats against people's FAMILIES and put prices on people's heads just for some drug hookups. i don't give two shits about your physique or your work ethic after actions like those, even if you're the reigning mr olympia. no self respecting person would condone such actions.
i notice this is the subject you conveniently fail to address, and try to redirect the conversation towards "hurr look at my abs, i'm so much better than you". well your schoolyard debate tactics won't work. there's tons of people here who KNOW those things i mentioned in the above paragraph happened, and continue to do so. it's a matter of self respect and human decency, not who has better abs, though i'm sure someone like you won't see that or at least admit it to yourself.
yes, i will freely admit you look better than me. congrats to you and your physique. it doesn't really bother me, i'm satisfied with knowing that i'm making progress at the best of my ability, and i have a good 30+ years to catch up to you, whereas you're tapped out and done. it's not a life or death struggle for me. and my face doesn't look like smeagol either which no amount of weightlifting will fix for you, good sir. ;)
one final word, are you seriously gonna call me out for making posts on a forum? especially when you have significantly about 20 times more than me, in this thread even, AND on gh15's forum? come on man, surely you can come up with a bigger straw to grasp. at least tell me some more about how i never train and how i haven't accomplished anything, it cuts me to the bone oh so much. excuse me while i go grab a tub of blue bell and cry about it. :-[ :'(
ROTF....Wes gets owned...back to pushing the walker with tennis ball legs around the old folks home gymnasium......LOL
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Not hating on anyone, this is for the ones obcessed with being heavy, 180lbs:
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/58566d1353741367-another-aesthetic-physique-turkey-francis-benfatto-4-.jpg)
And what? 4' tall? ;D -Just kidding, Francis had/has a good physique. But in truth, he is 5'6" which isn't very tall.
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Exactly, its how you look that counts ;)
Now you guys agree on everything?
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I don't get this puritanical idea of eating food that tastes like dry shit, that makes it suck even more when dieting
I get 1600 cals a day and my meals are great, today I made an amazing microwave chocolate sponge that has 450 cals, 60g of protien and tasted like a real cake with vanilla sauce.. I spend literally hours tweaking recipes until they taste good for the lowest carb and cal counts. Food can taste good and be ultra low cal/carb and its rewarding to discover how to drop 50 cals here and there without losing flavor
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Now you guys agree on everything?
Ya think?
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I don't get this puritanical idea of eating food that tastes like dry shit, that makes it suck even more when dieting
I get 1600 cals a day and my meals are great, today I made an amazing microwave chocolate sponge that has 450 cals, 60g of protien and tasted like a real cake with vanilla sauce.. I spend literally hours tweaking recipes until they taste good for the lowest carb and cal counts. Food can taste good and be ultra low cal/carb and its rewarding to discover how to drop 50 cals here and there without losing flavor
you should post the recipe
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Sure
Two cups egg whites
Splenda
Cocoa powder
Hazelnut essence
One cup oats
One tub ff sodium free cottage cheese
Two scoops good tasting chocolate whey
Blend the oats into flour in the blender
Add in everything else
Add 2 tablespoons heavy cream, two tablespoons almond milk
If you can afford a few more grams fat then one tablespoon coconut oil
Put it all in the blender with the flour, blend
Split into 3 portions
Put a portion in a Pyrex bowl and microwave it about four mins, it will turn into a solid sponge cake and the middle will be runny... you want to have it swimming in runny " sauce" so it's moist.
If you want then blend guar gum, vanilla essence and a little bit of almond milk/Splenda to make vanilla sauce
About 450 cals, 60g pro, 25g carbs a serving depending on brands used
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Sure
Two cups egg whites
Splenda
Cocoa powder
Hazelnut essence
One cup oats
One tub ff sodium free cottage cheese
Two scoops good tasting chocolate whey
Blend the oats into flour in the blender
Add in everything else
Add 2 tablespoons heavy cream, two tablespoons almond milk
If you can afford a few more grams fat then one tablespoon coconut oil
Put it all in the blender with the flour, blend
Split into 3 portions
Put a portion in a Pyrex bowl and microwave it about four mins, it will turn into a solid sponge cake and the middle will be runny... you want to have it swimming in runny " sauce" so it's moist.
If you want then blend guar gum, vanilla essence and a little bit of almond milk/Splenda to make vanilla sauce
About 450 cals, 60g pro, 25g carbs a serving depending on brands used
cool, thanks.
what brand of whey do you use? all the chocolate one's i've tried taste like chunky powdered asshole.
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cool, thanks.
what brand of whey do you use? all the chocolate one's i've tried taste like chunky powdered asshole.
I know you didn't ask me but Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard is good. Mixes well.
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Great g
Thanks for your info?
Can I ask what is your AAS cycle looks....if you can talk more about AAS
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Sunday's meals
1. Mesclun salad & grilled chicken
2. Grilled chicken & broccoli
3. 3 hard boiled eggs (threw away 2 yolks) couple slices of green pepper
4. Grilled chicken, green beans & a couple slices of green pepper
Goodbye four pack. Hello, six pack. 8)
Thanks for the tips and motivation, Gal.
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Sunday's meals
1. Mesclun salad & grilled chicken
2. Grilled chicken & broccoli
3. 3 hard boiled eggs (threw away 2 yolks) couple slices of green pepper
4. Grilled chicken, green beans & a couple slices of green pepper
Goodbye four pack. Hello, six pack. 8)
Thanks for the tips and motivation, Gal.
shit mescaline chicken? i gotta try that sometime :P
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So Gal would you say that while dieting you are usually in ketosis? Seems like you migh be.
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dont know, would remove the fruits.
anyway,this is the result of this all
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130603_030038_zps59dfa092.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130603_030038_zps59dfa092.jpg.html)
anatomic study
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130603_030128_zpscf58ebde.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130603_030128_zpscf58ebde.jpg.html)
:D
Your Hard work is paying off. Good quad separation and side veins in bicep
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Galeniko is the man......he can guide me anytime...
;D
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you should be rocking a tee something like this G
(http://www.denley.pl/eng_pl_LT-4016-ROZOWY-10727_8.jpg)
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There are times I ask myself the same question. Sometimes it is fun to mix it up with you "youngsters" so to speak since old folks can sometimes have the emotions of a juvenile too. In reality, no one really knows if anyone on the Internet is as represented.
One thing that occurs to me is that when I was young, I was far to busy to spend a day posting on some Internet forum....despite the fact that there was no such thing, back then.
;D
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Any sort of censorship can seriously inhibit the dynamic of good communications. It is easy to want someone to censor/moderate posts which are intentionally hurtful to others. I admit that there have been times when I was under fire from unfair and untruthful attacks. I thought about reporting the attacker. I quickly thought better of this because all I had to do was not log on to Getbig and in an hour or so, all would be forgotten. As a result, I have never cried to the moderators for help. I figure I pretty much brought anything that is said to or about me upon myself at some point regardless of the fact that it may be truthful or irrelevant to the subject at hand.
Personally, I had a lot of fun in high school. Sometimes it is fun to relive those childhood experiences via some Internet chat.
Always enjoy reading PM stuff.
;)
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Who ???
...pip :(
::)
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::)
;D
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Losers vs gimmicks. ::)
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you should be rocking a tee something like this G
(http://www.denley.pl/eng_pl_LT-4016-ROZOWY-10727_8.jpg)
if I ever see you wearing that I will set fire to you :-*
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if I ever see you wearing that I will set fire to you :-*
the shirt or the white bracelets ???
my french bud has a pink Adidas jacket that he sometimes wears, maybe you'd like to meet him
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg0ktvPbmD1qe3ktho1_250.gif)
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CSWOL. I believe this whore works out at the Plano Metroflex. Ever see her around?
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/p480x480/305747_10151424416157635_534725880_n.jpg)
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if I ever see you wearing that I will set fire to you :-*
dj 'leaping out of the closet like Liberace' here. :D
holy fuck I died when I read that quote in his other thread.
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Alex23 ruling this thread.
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
abs showing, yeah right.
Take a photo mate and post it, shut the haters up.
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
(http://www.valorebooks.com/campus-life/wp-content/uploads/laughter.jpg)
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I think he might be referring to an "Anti-lock Braking System" to stop him overshooting the vending machine on his way into the gym.
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
johnmcenroecannotbeserio us.jpg
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
Thank God that this thread is getting back on track. I had almost given up hope.
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Don't get the hate for CSWOL. Seems like a nice guy.
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
maybe in an x ray
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Shaved my forearms the other day for the FIRST time...
Bad idea. Now when they grow back it will be thick like an ape.
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You know you've made it on getbig when a thread is started with just your name in the title calling you out ;D
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"protein bar"
x2 "protein" "bars" oh brother
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I will admit that I do buy and enjoy a "Muscle" "Milk" once in a while though.
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dj 'leaping out of the closet like Liberace' here. :D
holy fuck I died when I read that quote in his other thread.
i think he is trying to tell us something
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dj181 is trying to get to sub 4% to see if he has a secret vagina
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dj181 is trying to get to sub 4% to see if he has a secret vagina
are you saying manginaupthebum sits down to pee cyp
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are you saying manginaupthebum sits down to pee cyp
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA manjinaupthebum!!!!!
What i'm saying bigmc is that djplaymesomedianaross is so gay, his tears are made of sperm
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if I ever see you wearing that I will set fire to you :-*
dont bother. that outfit is so flaming gay he'd burn up by himself on his own.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA manjinaupthebum!!!!!
What i'm saying bigmc is that djplaymesomedianaross is so gay, his tears are made of sperm
haha yes cyp
i hear bjbathesincome is so camp the village people have a tribute band to him
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i've seen many dutch fellas sporting pink tees around town
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Gal how come you're not a fan of ECA, just don't think its necessary?
I take just 18mg eph with some caffeine before gym and I'm full of physical/mental energy for the whole day and don't feel the urge to eat, at all.
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Gal how come you're not a fan of ECA, just don't think its necessary?
I take just 18mg eph with some caffeine before gym and I'm full of physical/mental energy for the whole day and don't feel the urge to eat, at all.
amphetamine works better, why dont you try that? ::)
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amphetamine works better, why dont you try that? ::)
Another epic contribution, Jeffrey.
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and taking ephedrine is a huge contribution isn't it.
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and taking ephedrine is a huge contribution isn't it.
I'm full of physical/mental energy for the whole day and don't feel the urge to eat, at all.
Hope that helps, Jeffrey.
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No more valuable than my contribution, in fact my advice is actually better as you would have more energy and want to eat even less.
;)
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I recently quit using EC stack. Was doing that for about 2yrs straight.
I have to say, i feel much better. No mood swings, aggressiveness, relative high bp, million thoughts at once, feel much more relaxed.
I remember the first time i took EC stack, it was rambo+superman in a pill. Overtime it lost its edge.
I would use it during cutting periods due to its appetite suppression and energy elevation, but that's a max of 12-16wks.
HTH
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I know a guy who started using ephedrine to train and he couldn't sleep at night so he started using Nubain to help him sleep.
Totally destroyed himself.
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^
Looking good.
I can take a dose of eca right before going to bed. It affects everyone different but for sure it will not make up for a shitty diet.
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its counterproductive overall.
too much negatives compared to the positives, its for fatsos who dont have the willpower for diet and only get lean once in a while, to be ripped year round, this attitude wont work.
it kills sleep, you sweat on it like some fatso, and when the effect is gone, theres a tendency to binge on shit foods.
it puts strain on the heart, no need to do that.
besides, the fatburning effect is minimal, i mean were talking few % difference in metabolic rate, the effect of it on getting lean is bc it shuts down apetite for so long, i can do that without efedrine ,all by myself.
ukjeff has a point, might aswell do cocaine for dieting, this is exagerated example, but yeah, its the same direction.
besides that, efedrina shows up as amphetamine in the drivers drug testing and in this nation this will lead to most severe consequences.
here, abs today this isnt even flexed, this is just sucked in stomach look the deepness between ab lines :D
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130603_191216_zpsdb3422a5.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130603_191216_zpsdb3422a5.jpg.html)
it actually does have a lipolytic and thermogenic effect in itself beyond just stimulating metabolism and stifling appetite. hence why you don't see too many fat meth addicts.
but you're right, the effect is small and you won't see results without a proper diet or exercise. but if your diet is already on par, every additional bit helps if you want quicker results
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
6 pack? Bro you are sporting a Keg. Time to dial it down.
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cswol will you grace the world with releasing a shirtless pic?
abs n tights pose would be very apreciated
or side triceps, i find this one really shows what one has got 8)
and share the diet with us, you know im thinking of doing a bulking phase for winter, and i dont know how to start that ???
u have a better chance joining forces as cswolieniko...
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Abs? Abs! You are 120lbs away from abs, you beached whale. And you aren't even strong, to top it off! If you're gonna be fat at least be strong. If you did a full ROM you could barely get 225 for 20 and you weigh 280lbs.
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I think he might be referring to an "Anti-lock Braking System" to stop him overshooting the vending machine on his way into the gym.
Ha ha...missed this one.
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cswol is swole and will probably dial in in the Fall of the year with lower bodyfat levels.
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what kind of effect does this diet have on ability to do physical or (more my concern) mental work throughout the day?
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cswol is swole and will probably dial in in the Fall of the year with lower bodyfat levels.
while sporting 18 inch guns and a 28 inch waist ???
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while sporting 18 inch guns and a 28 inch waist ???
I think cswol can get there.
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Mentally 1400-1600 cals a day with trace carbs and little fat is going to make you drop 50 IQ points. I can barely hold a conversation while on low cals so I had to do 2 days of eating 100g carbs to get back to feeling a little normal
also your joints and tendons hurt like a bitch I've noticed
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Mentally 1400-1600 cals a day with trace carbs and little fat is going to make you drop 50 IQ points. I can barely hold a conversation while on low cals so I had to do 2 days of eating 100g carbs to get back to feeling a little normal
also your joints and tendons hurt like a bitch I've noticed
I don't see why 1400-1600 cals is so extreme.
200g protein = 800cals
That leaves 600-800 for carbs and fats.
The diet Gal has been describing is what I eat year 'round minus some white carbs.
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i was trying to read a math book today and it was like the words were just flying right through my brain without sticking :-\
it wasn't hard to focus, though... rather, it seemed like there was just no ability to interpret what i was reading at all
very strange, never experienced it before
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i was trying to read a math book today and it was like the words were just flying right through my brain without sticking :-\
it wasn't hard to focus, though... rather, it seemed like there was just no ability to interpret what i was reading at all
very strange, never experienced it before
Yeah, I went down to about 1500 yesterday and I felt like I was mentally in neutral all day. I had set a (lofty) goal of completing a 28 page Forrester report and 0.) didn't finish it and 1.) can't remember a single word or concept. Thank God I wasn't called on to make a decision.
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The secret of dieting is finding something that you can stick to. Some prefer shorter more aggressive diets and others prefer slower dieting. And everything in between.
It's all about creating a caloric deficit. And then you eat sufficient protein and lift weights to maintain muscle mass.
I personally prefer pretty aggressive dieting because I don't like dieting for long time periods. Basically what I do is eat 1200-1500 calories for 6 days then I carb up once a week. Very much inspired by Disgusteds dieting methods.
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i was trying to read a math book today and it was like the words were just flying right through my brain without sticking :-\
it wasn't hard to focus, though... rather, it seemed like there was just no ability to interpret what i was reading at all
very strange, never experienced it before
I don't know exactly what you are doing but some people should definately not do aggressive dieting (and/or low carbs) because they feel like shit and can't think and/or get depressed. It's not for everyone.
Sometimes there is an adaptation period (few days up to 2-3 weeks) and then you start feeling better. But far from everyone adapts or can afford going through the adaptation period (for example if you have a mentally demanding job etc).
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Just saw the pics of wes.
Man you look insane for you age, mad respect.
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I only got to the second page before reading this :
not even oprah winfry has worse symmetry.
;D
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i have a full time job too, its managable
Debt collector? ;D
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Mentally 1400-1600 cals a day with trace carbs and little fat is going to make you drop 50 IQ points. I can barely hold a conversation while on low cals so I had to do 2 days of eating 100g carbs to get back to feeling a little normal
also your joints and tendons hurt like a bitch I've noticed
1500 is still a decent amount of cals IMO. And I think if you start a "zero carb" diet you may feel "slow" (haha) for a couple of days the you go back to normal. My joints and tendons don't hurt but when I did that diet natty my libido was almost non-existing. :-\
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ppl, lol, the thing with thinking and feeling like shit goes away after a couple days, its when the body gets used to having no carbs, then its all good.
but if one always is on the edge and gives it some carbs"bc i need it", he will go back and forth between feeling terrible and feeling like absolute shit, with concentration problems etc.
just add bit fats instead and energy will be there, mentaly and physicaly.
i have a full time job too, its managable
I agree 100%, in fact I wrote my previous post before reading this one.
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Yeah, I went down to about 1500 yesterday and I felt like I was mentally in neutral all day. I had set a (lofty) goal of completing a 28 page Forrester report and 0.) didn't finish it and 1.) can't remember a single word or concept. Thank God I wasn't called on to make a decision.
Like galeniko just said above, you get used to it after a while.
I do a shitload of math at work, drainage calculations and hydrology. After a few weeks on low calories i actually started to focus better and could think more clearly. I can work on my software and spreadsheets with zero problems. Just give it some time.
Zero carbs can give you problems, that's why i never go below 100g of carbs per day.
8)
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Since what you're giving up is mainly white carbs, perhaps the shitty feeling is a detox of sorts from these types of foods.
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Since what you're giving up is mainly white carbs, perhaps the shitty feeling is a detox of sorts from these types of foods.
No man, your body needs carbohydrates. You're not detoxing from a god damn essential nutrient.
Jesus.
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173.8 this morning. 2600 Calories.
I don`t think aggressive is necessary if you are within your range of being really lean or if you are already really lean. I also don`t think its necessary if you are obese. It may take longer, but you will be better off in the end as once you start getting into single digits, you won`t have to adjust anything drastic or you may not have to adjust anything at all.
I can`t speak for anyone using Steroids, but if you are doing this Naturally, you may not want to go the ultra low calorie approach.
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173.8 this morning. 2600 Calories.
I don`t think aggressive is necessary if you are within your range of being really lean or if you are already really lean. I also don`t think its necessary if you are obese. It may take longer, but you will be better off in the end as once you start getting into single digits, you won`t have to adjust anything drastic or you may not have to adjust anything at all.
I can`t speak for anyone using Steroids, but if you are doing this Naturally, you may not want to go the ultra low calorie approach.
why wont you post recent pics?
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Nobody should ever have to go below 1800 calories in my opinion. You may run the risk of ending up like this. Again I am speaking about Naturals.
(http://30bananasadaysucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Photo-on-9-03-12-at-1.26-PM-2.jpg?aa4864)
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why wont you post recent pics?
When I am ready I will.
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When I am ready I will.
you keep claiming how easy it is for you to stay in phenomenal shape
you seem to be claiming you are an expert on natural bodybuilding and nutrition
yet you try to prove your point with 5 year old pics
why not admit you arent in as good shape as you claim
you love attention on here
the only reason you havent posted a new pic in years is that you are not in as good a shape as you claim
which makes you a troll
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you keep claiming how easy it is for you to stay in phenomenal shape
you seem to be claiming you are an expert on natural bodybuilding and nutrition
yet you try to prove your point with 5 year old pics
why not admit you arent in as good shape as you claim
you love attention on here
the only reason you havent posted a new pic in years is that you are not in as good a shape as you claim
which makes you a troll
Fuck Off. I have posted pics from multiple different years and have always been in shape. You have posted shit EVER.
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Fuck Off. I have posted pics from multiple different years and have always been in shape. You have posted shit EVER.
Troll melt.
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Troll melt.
Not really fat stuff. ;)
How much are you weighing these days?
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imagine him doing crunches,just think about it ;D
Maybe Capt. Crunch but that's about it. ;D ;D
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Not really fat stuff. ;)
How much are you weighing these days?
Depends if you count his ankles ;) :)
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Fuck Off. I have posted pics from multiple different years and have always been in shape. You have posted shit EVER.
touched a nerve there did i
you could easily prove me wrong
or stop trying to tell everyone how to get in shape when you arent able to do it yourself
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sat on a deck chair ;D
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touched a nerve there did i
you could easily prove me wrong
or stop trying to tell everyone how to get in shape when you arent able to do it yourself
::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;attach=31230;image)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/9rkkqq.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2czyhyg.jpg)
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Bigmc,
You don`t even lift bro. :D
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:D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=132970.0;attach=148229;image)
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And TA responds with the same 5 year old pics! :D
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And TA responds with the same 5 year old pics! :D
They aren`t at all from the same time. All different years.
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Fuck Off. I have posted pics from multiple different years and have always been in shape. You have posted shit EVER.
yes you are clearly always in shape :)
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And TA responds with the same 5 year old pics! :D
Less talking. More Deadlifting. You will get there some day buddy. :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103172.0;attach=113124;image)
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bob chicirello, if you read this and i know you do, let me tell you, you look like absolute shit
epic teenager forearms, epic oil filled arms, and monster 45inch waistline.
looking like a condom filled with estrogen. :-X
Is that lingering Synthol in his arms do you think? Whats up with those weird shapes?
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i agree with adam, natural will need a bit more carbs to spare some muscle and bit fats to allow natural test production, going entirely only protein will not end good, but i said so from the start.
wouldnt go below 1000cals on any day as natty.something like 1000-1500cals minimum.
this is another difference, where gear user will get away with,but natty wont.
the gear user can even literally do fasting days with no food at all and will only benefit.
heres video of today(click), felt horrible and flat and all the bad things from dieting, but it looks very lean so all good 8)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130604_170133_zpsc06ea2ce.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130604_170133_zpsc06ea2ce.mp4)
im finding after my big meal i can fast- like 0 cals- for beyond 24 hours now and thats with good training session in there. the longer you can do this i find the more benefits i reap. now my metabolism gets so spiked after i have to change my pillow half way thru the night cause its soaked w sweat. this is the first time this has happened in 5 or 6 cycles. my body is now a an efficient fat burning furnace. and waking up leaner after every big meal. its like it kick starts something that slows down in the 4 days of low cals.
agreed w fasting as long as possible, and agreed that nattys wmight not respond as well to a guy on to this kind of regime.
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Currently eating Pre-Workout Ice Cream. 2 servings of Blue Bell Butter Crunch. Should be an epic Back and Biceps and Abs workout.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rb2RBfjjUbs/TZD9jIuJ1iI/AAAAAAAAAJM/W5BecrHCiEU/s1600/5552_blue-bell-butter-crunch-tub-660maxw-300maxh.jpg)
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And I had two servings of this earlier.
(http://www.theshelbyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Blue-Bell-Caramel-Turtle-Cheesecake-WEB.jpg)
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ta trying to pretend he didnt melt like a total rookie in this thread
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So thats 16 grams of Protein total in all that Ice Cream at 780 Calories. Not bad at all.
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ta trying to pretend he didnt melt like a total rookie in this thread
Oh you will melt for sure whenever I decide to post new pictures. You will be back to asking me for all the advices and then you will just get frustrated and pretend I don`t eat what I do or that I am on drugs or that I am using pictures from 10 years ago I have heard it all already from you.
The funny thing is, you don`t even lift and I question why are you even here in the first place. :D
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Oh you will melt for sure whenever I decide to post new pictures. You will be back to asking me for all the advices and then you will just get frustrated and pretend I don`t eat what I do or that I am on drugs or that I am using pictures from 10 years ago I have heard it all already from you.
The funny thing is, you don`t even lift and I question why are you even here in the first place. :D
calm down skippy
if you post good recent pics i will give you props
ive been waiting for years to give you props for your deadlift video you have been editing since 2007 :)
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calm down skippy
if you post good recent pics i will give you props
ive been waiting for years to give you props for your deadlift video you have been editing since 2007 :)
Where is a pic from you today bigmouth?
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Where is a pic from you today bigmouth?
i posted a pic in the last two weeks :)
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i posted a pic in the last two weeks :)
As I suspected, you look horrible and don`t even lift. You posted this:
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bob chicirello, if you read this and i know you do, let me tell you, you look like absolute shit
epic teenager forearms, epic oil filled arms, and monster 45inch waistline.
looking like a condom filled with estrogen. :-X
TA ruling Chick right there in that pic.
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As I suspected, you look horrible and don`t even lift. You posted this:
(http://witchesbrewpress.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/bobafettstrutpsaug22012web.jpg)
thats not me
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thats not me
You posted it though. How are we to know that it isn`t you?
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You posted it though. How are we to know that it isn`t you?
tito24 posted it
are you reduced to lying
didnt realise you were that easily upset ta
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tito24 posted it
are you reduced to lying
didnt realise you were that easily upset ta
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So post the pic right here. Not too difficult
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thats not me
Shit, I was going to ask if I could borrow that Boba Fett helmet.
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tito24 posted it
are you reduced to lying
didnt realise you were that easily upset ta
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Tito reposted it I thought. I figured it kind of looked like your build based on pictures from the past. I am still not sure if it is you or not honestly. :D
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Shit, I was going to ask if I could borrow that Boba Fett helmet.
Comic Con is coming up. Would be nice to have that helmet.
Bigmc, can he get the helmet or not?
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Tito reposted it I thought. I figured it kind of looked like your build based on pictures from the past. I am still not sure if it is you or not honestly. :D
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weak trolling
so you are always in amazing shape
had you spilled over here
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As I suspected, you look horrible and don`t even lift. You posted this:
(http://witchesbrewpress.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/bobafettstrutpsaug22012web.jpg)
BOBA FAT,,I MEAN FETT
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No man, your body needs carbohydrates. You're not detoxing from a god damn essential nutrient.
Jesus.
You're getting some carbs from veggies which are abundant in this diet.
The question is whether you actually need bread, pasta, rice, oats etc.
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bigmc posted a pic a while back, it was smaller than 333386 pics, you know,the ones he keeps criticising.
Im sure he will post it again if you ask him nicely.
If not i still have it ;D
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I imagine CSWOL is trussed up in one of these for his upcoming photo shoot.
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:D
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btw, there are ppl at 15%+ who are affraid to lose muscle or think they hit a plateau or something at times.
look, here is harsh, but reality opinion on this
if youre 15%+ and on gear permabulking and want get lean, just stop the gear.seriously, go off cold turkey, you dont put dragster fuel into a shit car.
and the muscle loss or plateu wont happen just eat less, at 15% such things arent even matter of concern youre a month of most brutal dieting away from seeing any details whatsoeever.
how fast do you think someone could go from 15% to 10% in on your diet?How about 15% to 8%?
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I couldn't decide if TA is real deal or just a troll until I saw his interview video. He had the balls to show up somewhere and well, he seemed well spoken and intelligent.
I'm sorry but as long as you're anonymous you're just as good as any other gimmick around here, in the same league as Maddy :P
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:D
My former gym had this machine, better than foam rolls
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bob chicirello, if you read this and i know you do, let me tell you, you look like absolute shit
epic teenager forearms, epic oil filled arms, and monster 45inch waistline.
looking like a condom filled with estrogen. :-X
its a pretty standard look for a majority of guys who used to compete and now dont. their waistlines extended and overall trunk thickness increses from gh usage, but only more noticable as their conditioning is way lessened due to a reduction in anabolics, and they have the overall atrophy to deal with to so its a double edged sword esp when your waistline doesnt shrink like everything else and actually continues to grow from a calorie surplus without the compounds or activity level to combat it, so it looks even more pronounced. look at ronnie. same deal. jay will look like this. too many drugs + pushing way beyond your genetic threshold = looking like shit at the end. esp where gh is involved.
makes you wonder why they even competed in the first place- sucks when you develop your body and put it thru all that abuse for someone else, cause you sure as shit wouldnt let yourself go like that if you trained for yourself.
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what kind of effect does this diet have on ability to do physical or (more my concern) mental work throughout the day?
This is an important issue -- someone needs to create a thread on how the varieties of diets out there affect mental function, especially for people whose jobs or hobbies entail significant mental effort (viz., more effort than merely counting to potato ala most getbiggers). I'm always horrified that this or that approach will reduce me to a slobbering retard unable to achieve my goals.
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here is another thing that needs adressing.
lol.
alc is a no go for dieting.
how many ppl have you seen who seem to diet strict but they drink alc and dont lose any weight watsoever?
exactly.
look, alcohol is fermented sugar, it has shitloads of empty calories, so obviously theres no place for alc in such a diet.no place at all.not one glass of wine each eevening before bedtime,not the daily beer after work, none of this nonsense.
its better to have a chocolate bar once in a while instead lol.
while the body is metabolizing alc, it cant even lose fat, its as simple as that.
and for whos on gear, alc and gear combo is asking for cirrhosis eventually, and alc raises estrogen levels in you, i think i dont need to explain why that would be bad.
have alc when youre done dieting and pretend to do that all the time and get away with the shredded body, sdont be the fatso holding beverage in hand hoping to be shredded some day.
Is this directed at me? It's cool either way. I agree that alcohol should be avoided no matter what. Fuck that shit.
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i wonder if cswole will post his "ab" pics
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yeah i know, im deliberately making fun of bob.
this is more or less irreversible.
in this whole training thing, one has to be honest with themselves upfront, everyone will or should be able to tell when and at what size and dosage the point of diminishing returns happens, this would be when the only thing that seems to grow anymore is the gut and obliques, thatll be the genetical aestetcs limit.
ofc the arms could grow another half inch, but the waist will grow by 4inches during the same time.
i mean if one wants to become pro, cool, go for it.but even guys with previously fantastic small waists have thivkened them upover the years, its really something to consider.
not to meantion the stomach itself will grow and when they retire later on the y wont be eating clean at all times, but still need big quantities of more calorie dense foods to even feel filled up, this coupled with the now much slower metabolisms will lead to precisely that look.
however, all that put into consideration, bob has let himself go a bit too fat there, theres no sugarcoating that. ;D
hed dwarf me if he got lean, but i bet he doesnt see the point, hes been places etc and cant be bothered.
this is why i say, when i go off training id rather be like levrone,a twink, and then come back into shape if need be.
this is kinda easy to calculate, if someone is 220lbs at 15% and starts this and stay at 1000-1500cals a day with no cheat days, no cheat meal(for figuring sake), so if everyuthing goes perfect, 6-8weeks he will be at 10%.easily.
The most likely scenario though for everyone is that they are WAY MORE than 15 percent. The most common two numbers everyone likes to claim is 12 percent and 15 percent when in reality most are most likely 20 percent to 35 percent.
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first and foremost, at shizzo81 haha ;D
yeah, just drop the alc, holding through this diet will require more willpower than quitting alc.
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Less talking. More Deadlifting. You will get there some day buddy. :D
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Lol! Straps!! How many reps did you do? :D
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Spot on 3's Spot on
Permabulking is serious business
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he did once, maybe someone has captioned it.
it wasnt exactly 2 weeks out of competition,btw
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Lol! Straps!! How many reps did you do? :D
5 easy but I wasn`t going for any more than 5 as I always trained Deadlift with a 5 max rep range.
Whats so funny about straps? Straps don`t lift the weight up. You could buy the best straps on the internet and you would still never be able to do that weight. :-\
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5 easy but I wasn`t going for any more than 5 as I always trained Deadlift with a 5 max rep range.
Whats so funny about straps? Straps don`t lift the weight up. You could buy the best straps on the internet and you would still never be able to do that weight. :-\
Without those straps, your supple effeminate hands couldn't hold that much weight and I scoff at your claim of 5 reps!
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Without those straps, your supple effeminate hands couldn't hold that much weight and I scoff at your claim of 5 reps!
Do you have any evidence of even a 315 deadlift? ???
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http://gregnuckols.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/slow-and-steady-weight-loss-i-think-not/
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Do you have any evidence of even a 315 deadlift? ???
Lol! Yeah, I'm in the process of editing it and getting the theme music approved by Sony. ;)
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There's nothing wrong with straps, you still have to lift the weight. Considering how much Adam weighs, that's impressive.
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5 easy but I wasn`t going for any more than 5 as I always trained Deadlift with a 5 max rep range.
Whats so funny about straps? Straps don`t lift the weight up. You could buy the best straps on the internet and you would still never be able to do that weight. :-\
yeah but you couldn't lift that weight *without* the straps, they definitely up your max dl by a fairly significant margin.
Do you have any evidence of even a 315 deadlift? ???
who can't do 315? that's like just barely above novice weightlifting levels.
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straps help tremendously for shrugs but not so much for deadlifts
imo, but who am i , i deadlift with 1 and half plate each side ;D
Do you squezee them glutes at the top... ;D
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yeah but you couldn't lift that weight *without* the straps, they definitely up your max dl by a fairly significant margin.
who can't do 315? that's like just barely above novice weightlifting levels.
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The real reason I use straps is I don`t like gloves at all and straps keep my hands intact. I got tired of bloody hands-pointless. I even used to use a towel on the bar. I never liked gloves as I found they gave me less grip because my hands slide around the bar etc and I feel I don`t have a tight grip with gloves.
When I do Dumbbell Bicep Curls I use straps as well. It does nothing for the lift, but I like the way it feels on my hands and the weight is really glued to me and I find you can get a much better flex and feel with the weight. Try it. Its a night and day difference.
Anyways, I deadlift the same amount, straps or no straps. One just saves my hands.
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Adidas Sambas, smart man
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The real reason I use straps is I don`t like gloves at all and straps keep my hands intact. I got tired of bloody hands-pointless. I even used to use a towel on the bar. I never liked gloves as I found they gave me less grip because my hands slide around the bar etc and I feel I don`t have a tight grip with gloves.
When I do Dumbbell Bicep Curls I use straps as well. It does nothing for the lift, but I like the way it feels on my hands and the weight is really glued to me and I find you can get a much better flex and feel with the weight. Try it. Its a night and day difference.
Anyways, I deadlift the same amount, straps or no straps. One just saves my hands.
TA - how did you get into lifting?
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The real reason I use straps is I don`t like gloves at all and straps keep my hands intact. I got tired of bloody hands-pointless. I even used to use a towel on the bar. I never liked gloves as I found they gave me less grip because my hands slide around the bar etc and I feel I don`t have a tight grip with gloves.
When I do Dumbbell Bicep Curls I use straps as well. It does nothing for the lift, but I like the way it feels on my hands and the weight is really glued to me and I find you can get a much better flex and feel with the weight. Try it. Its a night and day difference.
Anyways, I deadlift the same amount, straps or no straps. One just saves my hands.
i used to use straps but they weren't doing my forearm development any favors so i stopped. they definitely helped me lift more weight on deads though
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TA - how did you get into lifting?
Training for Track and Swimming. I really loved it and I still do. I have tried a lot of training methods and I like Heavy Weight, High Volume as I enjoy lifting weights. Its not even about how much I lift or any of that either. I just like the way it feels, mentally and physically. Especially the long term effects it has on the brain.
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i used to use straps but they weren't doing my forearm development any favors so i stopped. they definitely helped me lift more weight on deads though
There is nothing I can do for forearms anyways (arms are very, very long) and I do not like the look of thick forearms at all. Reminds me of a midget. Some people like that look, I don`t care for it. Forearms are something you are either born with (short bone length) or something that will only respond to with steroid use.
No point singling them out as a Natural in my opinion.
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ahaha, that's terrible!
it really does look like his arms are syntholed too, look at how the tricep bulges out, and the biceps look way bigger than they should be judging by the rest of his body
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There is nothing I can do for forearms anyways (arms are very, very long) and I do not like the look of thick forearms at all. Reminds me of a midget. Some people like that look, I don`t care for it. Forearms are something you are either born with (short bone length) or something that will only respond to with steroid use.
No point singling them out as a Natural in my opinion.
i guess. i prefer the balanced look, huge arms and stick forearms look unnatural to me. same with stick calves on huge legs. but it's a matter of taste i suppose.
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I shut guys like you down everyday at the gym, you walk in gym thinking your fluffer abs makes you the stud of the gym, or they show up with their workout partner telling them how big they are but only weigh 208, or they show up with their girlfriend wearing a tank top like they are impressive at 230 lbs..............then bammm..........CSWOL walks in, starts hitting sets and weight, and proceed to come stand right next to them, and make them realize today wasnt going to be the day they planned in the gym, their abs go flat, they walk around wondering what lift they can do to make them magically become 290 lbs, but figure out no lift will get them there, their workout partner gets demotivated and stops lifting, and quits chanting getbig, easy weight, getbig, then their girlfriend continually jocks realizing her boyfriend is a 228 lb twink who looks like a stick next to a 285 lb monster, yeah galeniko, hate to break the news to ya brother, stop concentrating on abs so much, because the rest of your body is becoming small, no smoke and mirrors here mate!
My wife just said that she laughs when dumbasses like yourself think that being "big" somehow makes you attractive, and that it's even more hilarious when people like you think that standing next to someones boyfriend is going to suddenly make you seem fuckable.
You sir, are a tool.
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LOL!!! THis is the most ridiculous "diet plan" i have ever seen. No one needs to cut fat and carbs that low to get below 10% bodyfat. Training on a diet like that would be absolutely shit....I dont care how much ephedrine you take, it would be complete shit.
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LOL!!! THis is the most ridiculous "diet plan" i have ever seen. No one needs to cut fat and carbs that low to get below 10% bodyfat. Training on a diet like that would be absolutely shit....I dont care how much ephedrine you take, it would be complete shit.
he takes steroids, he doesn't need ephedrine lol
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he takes steroids, he doesn't need ephedrine lol
steroids, ephedrine....doesnt matter. If you train with any kind of intensity at all, that diet will destroy it.
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He was using Synthol in 2003. There were tons of pics of him on Mayhem with Synthol arms.
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Lol, you can still see his vest marks, guy must never take his vest off.
I would wear a fuckin overcoat year round if I looked like that.
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Do you have any evidence of even a 315 deadlift? ???
he posted a video of him deadlifting
think it was about 500lbs
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Lol, you can still see his vest marks, guy must never take his vest off.
I would wear a fuckin overcoat year round if I looked like that.
nice shape for earning a quick buck at the Inglewood adventure motel.
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
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lolol
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Gal do you get a lot of headaches from your dieting strategy?
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he posted a video of him deadlifting
think it was about 500lbs
yes, I seen it 500 for 8 reps without straps, all the way to the floor, very impressive
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Bigmc got owned pretty hard in this thread =/
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Holy Shit!!!!
ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!
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Lol, you can still see his vest marks, guy must never take his vest off.
I would wear a fuckin overcoat year round if I looked like that.
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LOL!!! THis is the most ridiculous "diet plan" i have ever seen. No one needs to cut fat and carbs that low to get below 10% bodyfat. Training on a diet like that would be absolutely shit....I dont care how much ephedrine you take, it would be complete shit.
DEAD WRONG
don't know what diet you are referring to as I skipped the last 10 pages but don't matter, my point is I can go 2 days without eating anything and with enough ephedrine I can lift the same weight, same intensity, same time, same 400lb on the bench for reps, same everything. Food is absolutely irrelevant when ''enough'' stimulant is brought in.
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its counterproductive overall.
too much negatives compared to the positives, its for fatsos who dont have the willpower for diet and only get lean once in a while, to be ripped year round, this attitude wont work.
it kills sleep, you sweat on it like some fatso, and when the effect is gone, theres a tendency to binge on shit foods.
it puts strain on the heart, no need to do that.
besides, the fatburning effect is minimal, i mean were talking few % difference in metabolic rate, the effect of it on getting lean is bc it shuts down apetite for so long, i can do that without efedrine ,all by myself.
ukjeff has a point, might aswell do cocaine for dieting, this is exagerated example, but yeah, its the same direction.
besides that, efedrina shows up as amphetamine in the drivers drug testing and in this nation this will lead to most severe consequences.
here, abs today this isnt even flexed, this is just sucked in stomach look the deepness between ab lines :D
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I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you here Gal.
You see I would lose muscle without ephedrine, I have been below 5% and I can get there without it, that part you are right about but I would be 10lb smaller simply because my workouts would not be heavy and long enough.
Ephedrine without any shadow of a doubt makes you way stronger for your workout and that means more reps and more sets, so instead of doing 275 for 15 reps on the bench I am doing 315 for 15 reps at single digit bodyfat levels, hence this translates into holding more muscle when it is all said and done so ECA is an absolute must for me.
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he posted a video of him deadlifting
think it was about 500lbs 605lbs
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yes, I seen it 500 for 8 reps without straps, all the way to the floor, very impressive
Oh yeah, that one too. :P
I ditched straps years ago and regressed for awhile but my grip caught up and I don't have any issues making it through a workout.
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Cswol doesn't even speak when ordering from Starbucks. He simply walks to the counter, puts his vest over his head and does the harlem shake, whereupon the astute Barista fixes him a large full-fat latte, with 5 servings of caramel syrup and 10 chocolate muffins.
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why he ever thought posting this abomination was a good idea defies belief.
Epic gyno on top of man boobs.
Waist bigger than chest.
Shitty synthol arms.
Pathetic forearms smaller than a petite females with shitty monster energy tattoo and other fuck ugly tattoos that even a five year old would think was lame
140lbs without the fat water and oil.
To top it all off he is considerably fatter than that now.
Disgusting and no women ever desires sex with him
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BG, are you saying that cswol couldn't get laid if he were an egg?
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225 for 50 reps
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Dude - WTF!
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Diet: Adonis principles
Training: Weider principles
Cardio: Running from your wife
Awards: Getbig Hall Of Fame, and Man Of The Yearr 2013
Ha ha ha, that was very funny, shizzo,,
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BG, are you saying that cswol couldn't get laid if he were an egg?
haha yes big cyp. Are you suggesting that the last time cswol had a pair of sweaty legs round his neck was the day he was born
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Cswol looking good here. He's only one or two water pills away from stage shape.
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Cswol looking good here. He's only one or two water pills away from stage shape.
As in, shaped like a stage?
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As in, shaped like a stage?
As in circus fat man stage shape.
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Nice tittays. No wonder he's always pissed. ;D
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one thing you got right, current weight is pretty much 208lbs, good guess.
but the pipe dream youve made up above doesnt happen like that irl, here is how it actually happens:
its not like my gym hasnt its fair share of permafatsos.when i walk in , theyre there sweating in their obese bodys from just walking around, out of breath from 20% rom movements, red-ish face, almost vomiting their big mcdonalds fries out.
i come in, with pullover bc i need to have warm clothes to even break a sweat, thats the case when one has supreme conditioning, at this moment, the permafatsos still walk around with ILS and bitchtittschest all the way out, as if they conquered the continent recently.
then when im warmed up after couple minutes and the epic pump sets in(from the trademark galeniko diet), i take off the pullover and deliberately make the tanktop slide upwards to the chest to "accidentally" flash the chiseled ,rock hard 6pack for a moment, and the second the pullover is removed and i stand there with tanktop(always tank top) and fingethick veins pop everywhere, the permafatsos give me stares as if i killed their whole families and put on their own pulloever and jackets,in sheer embarassment.
while theyre bathing in their own sweat and jealousy, i have chitchat moments with the girls there inbetween sets, the girls tell me how mine is the perect natural physique while they ask me how long itd take (they point at a permafatso)that fat guy who recently started training(thats what they assume)to become like me, for they resemble their weak husbands-boyfrends. ;D
now comes the ironic part, for some reason, the permabulker,instead of hitting some cardio, will down a "protein bar" with some gatorade or protein shake at the gym bar ,to refuel his fatcells"muscle" , while sitting there out of breath and overly thaetralicly acting exhausted as if he just had some very hard workout.
this is roughly how it goes,hth 8)
Galeniko...You just above described me and all my long island friends when we were 18-21 LOL. I have to admit it was a fun time as we all went to see Dave Palumbo about cycles and diet etc.. We would be at McDonalds everyday. Then you realize there are things like blood pressure, and that there is rice that is brown :)
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one thing you got right, current weight is pretty much 208lbs, good guess.
but the pipe dream youve made up above doesnt happen like that irl, here is how it actually happens:
its not like my gym hasnt its fair share of permafatsos.when i walk in , theyre there sweating in their obese bodys from just walking around, out of breath from 20% rom movements, red-ish face, almost vomiting their big mcdonalds fries out.
i come in, with pullover bc i need to have warm clothes to even break a sweat, thats the case when one has supreme conditioning, at this moment, the permafatsos still walk around with ILS and bitchtittschest all the way out, as if they conquered the continent recently.
then when im warmed up after couple minutes and the epic pump sets in(from the trademark galeniko diet), i take off the pullover and deliberately make the tanktop slide upwards to the chest to "accidentally" flash the chiseled ,rock hard 6pack for a moment, and the second the pullover is removed and i stand there with tanktop(always tank top) and fingethick veins pop everywhere, the permafatsos give me stares as if i killed their whole families and put on their own pulloever and jackets,in sheer embarassment.
while theyre bathing in their own sweat and jealousy, i have chitchat moments with the girls there inbetween sets, the girls tell me how mine is the perect natural physique while they ask me how long itd take (they point at a permafatso)that fat guy who recently started training(thats what they assume)to become like me, for they resemble their weak husbands-boyfrends. ;D
now comes the ironic part, for some reason, the permabulker,instead of hitting some cardio, will down a "protein bar" with some gatorade or protein shake at the gym bar ,to refuel his fatcells"muscle" , while sitting there out of breath and overly thaetralicly acting exhausted as if he just had some very hard workout.
this is roughly how it goes,hth 8)
hahahahaha
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As in, shaped like a stage?
lol holy shit
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Scotland would be in a frenzy if Cswol washed ashore.
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LOL!!! THis is the most ridiculous "diet plan" i have ever seen. No one needs to cut fat and carbs that low to get below 10% bodyfat. Training on a diet like that would be absolutely shit....I dont care how much ephedrine you take, it would be complete shit.
to address your points.
- its a ridiculous diet plan because thats what you have programmed to say after years of being fed bullshit broscience and supplement company ads.
- i agree- nobody needs to cut fat and carbs to get below 10%. but why would you want to be 10%? 10% is borderline sloppy as fuck. at 10% you'll have a 2" thick roll of fat around your midsection hanging over your jeans. if you want to be 10% and thats your gold standard you shouldnt even have to diet. just that fact that you think 10% is such a great hallmark for conditioning tells me what kind of shape your truly in and i shouldnt even bother wasting my time with you further, but i'll carry on, because this might benefit someone else.
- actually you have more energy than you'll know what to do with. once you find that balance between cals in and cals utilised, without giving your body a surplus to maintain the adipose you already carry, your body becomes remarkably adept at utilising that adipose for energy. the reason most guys who diet on their 1800-2500cal diets get lethargy is exactly because their cals are too high.
this is a system that works. period. we've used our own experiences to create something that every single 'diet guru' will hate. and we expect guys like you, and them to repeat the same bullshit lies and myths about dieting- you'll lose muscle, you'll have no energy, you'll starve its not possible it cant work etc etc. guess what sunshine. it works and it woirks better than anything you have ever heard about and will ever try. you can go from 12 10% and lower to competition lean in a fraction of the time it takes a guy doing a typical carb cycle diet. gal and i are actually kicking around the idea of putting our heads together and making it a complete dieting system and use it to help people get in the best shape of their lives. instead of a contest prep that someone has to pay a 'trainer' or 'guru' for every time they get ready for a show, we'll give you the tools and information you need to get in the best shape of your life, using one easy uncomplicated system that works every time. no matter how fat you are, not matter how lean you are. every time. a flexible system that works with your body, not against it that you can tailor to yourself. dont want to eat oats? dont eat oats. hate spinach? why eat it? hate almonds? good. dont eat them. love coconut oil? great use it. its not the foods, the combinations of foods, the interactions of the foods that gives the results its the system. hungry? great eat. not hungry. great dont eat. this is a compete 180 from what you've been taught and lied about what you need to do.
so keep drinking the koolaid bro. keep 'dieting' for the rest of your life and never getting to where you can be. let your fear and ignorance prevent you from realising your goals. while your doing that people are taking this system and rapidly making changes and getting leaner than drier than they ever could have imagined. thats a huge payoff for guys like gal and i who just love to help people. if you dont want help, thats great. its your life, do with it what you please. but dont just say stupid ignorant shit like what you posted cause its 'what your supposed to say'. it makes you look unintelligent and like one of the 19 year old broscience crew.
i'd ask you to post a pic and compare it to gals but it sint about that. you can get into gals shape using other diets. thats not the issue. the issue is they all take a tolll mentally and physically. you fight cravings. you fight hunger you fight the clock. after 8 weeks all you want to do is eat a cheesecake or a pizza but wait, you cant. gotta get those 'marcos' in. gotta eat 'clean food'. cant eat 'empty calories'. you need to have your 'ratios' correct.
this diet is about doing what you've told what not to do for decades, and getting to competition level lean in a FRACTION of the time. and maintaining it into perpetuity. period.
give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish feed him for a lifetime. were tired of this industry giving people fish.
cheers.
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hey Gal- how does FAS/T sound? FAT ANNIHILATING SYSTEM/TECHNIQUES.
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ah,no problem man, i can see that point.but the potential muscle loss below 6% can be fixed by upping the steroid dosage, i know, neither are long term solutions obviously.say, some halo will make sure the workouts are intense.
but yeah efedrine is most likely the best fatburner and it also somehow reduces the subcutane water, i merely pointed out the bad sides of it.
mind you the only reason i dont take it is the legal issues ;D
Actually TBH I love it cause the power it gives you in the gym not so much for the fat burning
good posts on you and no one 8)
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Actually TBH I love it cause the power it gives you in the gym not so much for the fat burning
good posts on you and no one 8)
ty sir. much appreciated. :)
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to address your points.
- its a ridiculous diet plan because thats what you have programmed to say after years of being fed bullshit broscience and supplement company ads.
- i agree- nobody needs to cut fat and carbs to get below 10%. but why would you want to be 10%? 10% is borderline sloppy as fuck. at 10% you'll have a 2" thick roll of fat around your midsection hanging over your jeans. if you want to be 10% and thats your gold standard you shouldnt even have to diet. just that fact that you think 10% is such a great hallmark for conditioning tells me what kind of shape your truly in and i shouldnt even bother wasting my time with you further, but i'll carry on, because this might benefit someone else.
Don't sweat the anklebiters. In my over 10 years, here, this has been the most useful thread I've seen.
My question is what 10% actually looks like. Do you agree with the percentages in these pics, particularly the ones from 10-20%? While the 10% guy isn't ripped by bodybuilding contest standards, I wouldn't describe him as "sloppy as fvck."
(http://www.builtlean.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/body-fat-percentage-men.jpg)
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Don't sweat the anklebiters. In my over 10 years, here, this has been the useful thread I've seen.
My question is what 10% actually looks like. Do you agree with the percentages in these pics, particularly the ones from 10-20%? While the 10% guy isn't ripped by bodybuilding contest standards, I wouldn't describe him as "sloppy as fvck."
(http://www.builtlean.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/body-fat-percentage-men.jpg)
The 3-4 is indeed 3% the 6-7 is 5% and 15% and 20% are closer then that, only like 2% difference there. The rest are pretty accurate.
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i think even prostitutes who are off heroin cold turkey would have second thought before having him as client.
Ha ha yes even the fithiest of prostitutes would rather be fucked with a used drain rod than even give "big" cswol a handjob.
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Don't sweat the anklebiters. In my over 10 years, here, this has been the useful thread I've seen.
My question is what 10% actually looks like. Do you agree with the percentages in these pics, particularly the ones from 10-20%? While the 10% guy isn't ripped by bodybuilding contest standards, I wouldn't describe him as "sloppy as fvck."
(http://www.builtlean.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/body-fat-percentage-men.jpg)
ok, its really tough to tell what a guys exact bf level is just by eyeballing it. too many variables like water come into play that can look like fat the higher up in bodyfat you get as is the case here. anyway pic 3 is not 10% bro. not by a long shot.
pic number 1 is done with a sharpening tool. in fact i'd venture to say pic 1 and 2 are similar bf levels. they are in the 3-5 range. pic 3 is closer to 7-8% dont mistake water for fat in this pic. not a lot of fat there at all. that guy on this sytem would go from pic 3 to pic 2 in about 3 weeks.
pic 4 is around 9-10%. what makes him look so markedly different from pic 3 is his lack on muscle in comparison. pic 5 is around 12-15. you put pic 5 in a pair of jeans and you got 2 inches of overhang all day long.
the rest dont matter. if your that far gone you should just shoot yourself.
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If I saw someone in the gym laughing out loud to himself I would think he was a mental patient. If I read his delusional postings on here like I just did, I would be convinced.
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PIC 1 IS ALEX AZARIAN LEGENDARY THREAD YRS AGO,YES SHARPENING TOOL WAS USED AND HE SHOWED UP ONSTAGE NOWHERE NEAR THAT LOOK,THIS PLACE WAS UPSIDE DOWN WITH THAT THREAD,,,
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PIC 1 IS ALEX AZARIAN LEGENDARY THREAD YRS AGO,YES SHARPENING TOOL WAS USED AND HE SHOWED UP ONSTAGE NOWHERE NEAR THAT LOOK,THIS PLACE WAS UPSIDE DOWN WITH THAT THREAD,,,
Ya I remember that, he dialed in way to early and payed the price
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Ya I remember that, he dialed in way to early and payed the price
IT LOOKED PAINFUL TO BE THAT RIPPED ,,TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE,,,HE LOOKED BETTER YR OR SO BEFORE WITHOUT THE 'HYPE'
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i think even prostitutes who are off heroin cold turkey would have second thought before having him as client.
i know ur joking but
let's face it
dem hos addicted to the chase
they get high off taking the working man's money
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Ya I remember that, he dialed in way to early and payed the price
I remember him posting about doing 2+ hours cardio a day year round, although possibly that was as true as micheal locket claiming to diet on snickers and red candy strips.
I'm between 3 and 4 in those pics so I assume i'm 10-12%, most of my meals are 8oz cooked pork loin or chicken or lean meat (a pressure cooker is amazing for dieting, even leaner meats end up super soft and moist after 30 mins in mine) shredded in home made BBQ sauce with almost no cals, and a huge bowl of salad + 1/2oz reduced fat feta.
been doing 50g carbs of oats pre workout, but maybe I should just go all the way and drop those. I look much better no carb, but feel like a zombie
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I have found Disgusted's dieting methods to work real well. Basically i go 12-1500 calories 6 days in a row and then on saturday eat a bunch of carbs. The neat thing is that you don't really have to count calories (which I find very stressful). Lots of protein + some veggies+ some fat puts you automatically in a large caloric deficit. Simple. And on sat you don't have to count calories either as the body sucks up the carbs. I have also found the low carb days (and calorie) days to really get the fat off when you are sub 10. It helps with the stubborn fat areas.
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I have found Disgusted's dieting methods to work real well. Basically i go 12-1500 calories 6 days in a row and then on saturday eat a bunch of carbs. The neat thing is that you don't really have to count calories (which I find very stressful). Lots of protein + some veggies+ some fat puts you automatically in a large caloric deficit. Simple. And on sat you don't have to count calories either as the body sucks up the carbs. I have also found the low carb days (and calorie) days to really get the fat off when you are sub 10. It helps with the stubborn fat areas.
fastest way to diet while maintaining as much muscle as possible :)
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some very very good posts in this thread,, this is real time dieting advice,, which will work in real life and not just guru theory shitt,, very very good
if you want to get really lean which real bodybuilding is about you need to suffer in the end,, too many do the count every calorie bullshit and burn themselves out,,
work with your body and let it talk to you,, hunger is you friend,,
too much scientific bullshit aorund these days,, listen to those who know,, galinko know what he talks about,, A++
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training same situationk,, too much theory,, reality is easy,, you lift and grow,, no grow = shit genetic,, go play golf,, when stop grow,, genetic limit is reached and ONLY hormone can help you,, no peridoization bullshit,, no squat and kill yourself,, this is natural bulllshit,,
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i got a headache in the gym yesterday that lasted a long time and later, at night, started sneezing and sniffling like crazy, as if i was getting a cold or something...
maybe im taking things a little too far, too fast :o
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to address your points.
- its a ridiculous diet plan because thats what you have programmed to say after years of being fed bullshit broscience and supplement company ads.
- i agree- nobody needs to cut fat and carbs to get below 10%. but why would you want to be 10%? 10% is borderline sloppy as fuck. at 10% you'll have a 2" thick roll of fat around your midsection hanging over your jeans. if you want to be 10% and thats your gold standard you shouldnt even have to diet. just that fact that you think 10% is such a great hallmark for conditioning tells me what kind of shape your truly in and i shouldnt even bother wasting my time with you further, but i'll carry on, because this might benefit someone else.
- actually you have more energy than you'll know what to do with. once you find that balance between cals in and cals utilised, without giving your body a surplus to maintain the adipose you already carry, your body becomes remarkably adept at utilising that adipose for energy. the reason most guys who diet on their 1800-2500cal diets get lethargy is exactly because their cals are too high.
this is a system that works. period. we've used our own experiences to create something that every single 'diet guru' will hate. and we expect guys like you, and them to repeat the same bullshit lies and myths about dieting- you'll lose muscle, you'll have no energy, you'll starve its not possible it cant work etc etc. guess what sunshine. it works and it woirks better than anything you have ever heard about and will ever try. you can go from 12 10% and lower to competition lean in a fraction of the time it takes a guy doing a typical carb cycle diet. gal and i are actually kicking around the idea of putting our heads together and making it a complete dieting system and use it to help people get in the best shape of their lives. instead of a contest prep that someone has to pay a 'trainer' or 'guru' for every time they get ready for a show, we'll give you the tools and information you need to get in the best shape of your life, using one easy uncomplicated system that works every time. no matter how fat you are, not matter how lean you are. every time. a flexible system that works with your body, not against it that you can tailor to yourself. dont want to eat oats? dont eat oats. hate spinach? why eat it? hate almonds? good. dont eat them. love coconut oil? great use it. its not the foods, the combinations of foods, the interactions of the foods that gives the results its the system. hungry? great eat. not hungry. great dont eat. this is a compete 180 from what you've been taught and lied about what you need to do.
so keep drinking the koolaid bro. keep 'dieting' for the rest of your life and never getting to where you can be. let your fear and ignorance prevent you from realising your goals. while your doing that people are taking this system and rapidly making changes and getting leaner than drier than they ever could have imagined. thats a huge payoff for guys like gal and i who just love to help people. if you dont want help, thats great. its your life, do with it what you please. but dont just say stupid ignorant shit like what you posted cause its 'what your supposed to say'. it makes you look unintelligent and like one of the 19 year old broscience crew.
i'd ask you to post a pic and compare it to gals but it sint about that. you can get into gals shape using other diets. thats not the issue. the issue is they all take a tolll mentally and physically. you fight cravings. you fight hunger you fight the clock. after 8 weeks all you want to do is eat a cheesecake or a pizza but wait, you cant. gotta get those 'marcos' in. gotta eat 'clean food'. cant eat 'empty calories'. you need to have your 'ratios' correct.
this diet is about doing what you've told what not to do for decades, and getting to competition level lean in a FRACTION of the time. and maintaining it into perpetuity. period.
give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish feed him for a lifetime. were tired of this industry giving people fish.
cheers.
What the fuck are you going on about!????? It's the complete opposite, dude....I have gotten striated glutes while consuming 200 grams of carbs a day. THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT......A DIET LIKE THIS IS TOTALLY NOT NECESSARY TO GET SHREDDED!
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i got a headache in the gym yesterday that lasted a long time and later, at night, started sneezing and sniffling like crazy, as if i was getting a cold or something...
maybe im taking things a little too far, too fast :o
if headache,, try mineral supplement,, if low carb and cal,,
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I like carbs as well. ;)
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What the fuck are you going on about!????? It's the complete opposite, dude....I have gotten striated glutes while consuming 200 grams of carbs a day. THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT......A DIET LIKE THIS IS TOTALLY NOT NECESSARY TO GET SHREDDED!
how many week diet,, what bf% you maintain year around,,?
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even more LOL!!!
here comes another anonymous fatso telling me how it goes ::) ::)
10% bodyfat is borderline obese for bbuilding standards, thats the highest one whould ever go, beyond that is better to stop training altogether and become twink.
so youre the one of them "who needs somec arbs for trainign"hahaha,this is hillarious
im eating something like that since 2 and half years do you think my trainings arent intense?do you think my training sessions are shit?
99 out of 100 i get most severe pumps, you dont even know how this works man, youre one of those loading up on salty shit foods and then confuse pump with high bloodpressure, oh brother ::)
do you think youre "stronger" than me?i should be patheticaly weak on this diet shouldnt i?
let pics speak,mate, and maybe a training video i wanna see those intense training of yours, maybe i can learn something, im always openminded to something new.
this diet is about how to get shredded the fastest way, not something "this mustnt,that isnt necesary" blabla.have you ever been shredded?or lean?
you think going from 10% down to the last bits is easy.so many questions, maybe i was doing everything wrong all the time ::)
first of all yes, I am anonymous and will remain anonymous due to posting about drugs on here over the years....If that ruins my credibility, I actually do understand, but i will try to make my point anyway.
All I am saying is that taking out almost all your fat and carbs is ridiculous, unless it's the final weeks before a show and you are behind an/or trying to make weight. I have had striated glutes while dieting on 200 grams of carbs and 250 grams of protein with very low fat. Your diet would make one appear extremely flat and I;m sorry, but you are not going to be training to your full potential on this plan.
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how many week diet,, what bf% you maintain year around,,?
12 week diet of very low fat moderate carb high protein. I dont test my bodyfat, but i can always see my abs, even at my fattest. That is all i care about....once abs start getting really blurry I cut back on the food.
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DEAD WRONG
don't know what diet you are referring to as I skipped the last 10 pages but don't matter, my point is I can go 2 days without eating anything and with enough ephedrine I can lift the same weight, same intensity, same time, same 400lb on the bench for reps, same everything. Food is absolutely irrelevant when ''enough'' stimulant is brought in.
the diet i am referring to is Galenikos low-fat, low carb diet. Sorry, you need some fats, or carbs to fuel your weight training.....key word "some". It just doesnt make sense to dive right into a diet like this when you can just cut back on the fats/carbs and still drop 2 pounds of fat a week.....save the extreme dieting for the last couple weeks if you are behind.
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What the fuck are you going on about!????? It's the complete opposite, dude....I have gotten striated glutes while consuming 200 grams of carbs a day. THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT......A DIET LIKE THIS IS TOTALLY NOT NECESSARY TO GET SHREDDED!
are you retarded? like do you actually drool on yourself with any amount of frequency?
no that wasnt your point. this was your point:
LOL!!! THis is the most ridiculous "diet plan" i have ever seen. No one needs to cut fat and carbs that low to get below 10% bodyfat. Training on a diet like that would be absolutely shit....I dont care how much ephedrine you take, it would be complete shit.
this post ^ is a far cry from 'a diet like this not necessary to get shredded.'
of course its not the only way to get shredded. show me where i said it was in my response to you. show me where in this thread have i ever said this is the only way to get shredded.
listen stupid, im going to help you out here cause you seem a little slow. next time instead of jumping in with your two cents about something, try educating yourself on the topic at hand before debating your stance. now you look like a complete idiot. cause your trying to debate a claim nobody made. nice work, speedbag.
nobody said it was necessary to get shredded. thats not what this thread is about- making the claim that this is the only way to get lean, but then again had you taken a minute to read a little before running your mouth you would have realised that and saved yourself some embarrassment.
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are you retarded? like do you actually drool on yourself with any amount of frequency?
no that wasnt your point. this was your point:
this post ^ is a far cry from 'a diet like this not necessary to get shredded.'
of course its not the only way to get shredded. show me where i said it was in my response to you. show me where in this thread have i ever said this is the only way to get shredded.
listen stupid, im going to help you out here cause you seem a little slow. next time instead of jumping in with your two cents about something, try educating yourself on the topic at hand before debating your stance. now you look like a complete idiot. cause your trying to debate a claim nobody made. nice work, speedbag.
nobody said it was necessary to get shredded. thats not what this thread is about- making the claim that this is the only way to get lean, but then again had you taken a minute to read a little before running your mouth you would have realised that and saved yourself some embarrassment.
calm down, there kiddo. He has made dozens of posts telling people this is the best way to get lean.
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but you are not going to be training to your full potential on this plan.
more from the stupid claims department.
says who? you? your telling me im not training to my full potential? your telling gal hes not training to his?
who are you to tell me what my full potential is? you have no clue as to anyones potential other than your own.
this diet isnt for you. thats great. dont do it. this diet is for me. it is for gal. might be for someone else reading this. and thats what this is about.
feel free to keep slogging along thru your preps dude. i could care less. your a real soldier. congrats i guess? but people after reading this thread will try this. and see its not easy. but it works exactly the way we say it does.
thanks for the broscience tho. i really appreciate that.
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the diet i am referring to is Galenikos low-fat, low carb diet. Sorry, you need some fats, or carbs to fuel your weight training.....key word "some". It just doesnt make sense to dive right into a diet like this when you can just cut back on the fats/carbs and still drop 2 pounds of fat a week.....save the extreme dieting for the last couple weeks if you are behind.
no you don't really, The best work outs of my life are on no carbs, your body fat can fuel your body nicely with the help of a heavey stimulants such as ephedrine.
Look you can diet for 15 weeks to get those 30 lb off but I hate that shit, i rather diet fast for 8 weeks and get striated glutes, it is a preference, neither way is right or wrong.
I personally like getting down to business and I don't like paying for the same real estate twice so I diet on no carbs, just veggies which nowadays is considered no carbs./
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calm down, there kiddo. He has made dozens of posts telling people this is the best way to get lean.
No he does not claim it's the best, he claims it is the fastest and it is the fastest while maintaining muscle, adding 200 grams of carbs may get you there but certainly not as quick.
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calm down, there kiddo. He has made dozens of posts telling people this is the best way to get lean.
theres a difference between 'best' and 'only' isnt there?
you fucked up bro. its ok. in your excitement you jumped into a discussion with absolutely no clue about the topic at hand. i get that. everyone can see how this has progressed- see? its all right there.
so quit twisting my words in an attempt to save face, cause i'll keep burying you and enjoy every minute of it.
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no you don't really, The best work outs of my life are on no carbs, your body fat can fuel your body nicely with the help of a heavey stimulants such as ephedrine.
Look you can diet for 15 weeks to get those 30 lb off but I hate that shit, i rather diet fast for 8 weeks and get striated glutes, it is a preference, neither way is right or wrong.
I personally like getting down to business and I don't like paying for the same real estate twice so I diet on no carbs, just veggies which nowadays is considered no carbs./
You don't go a little higher on fats? Personally, if i dieted like that every time i did a show, I would have a terrible rebound, unless i stayed on stims/t-3 after the show. I like gradually cutting out some carbs and fats to lean out and just simply not getting fat in the off-season. to each his own, i guess.
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first of all yes, I am anonymous and will remain anonymous due to posting about drugs on here over the years....If that ruins my credibility, I actually do understand, but i will try to make my point anyway.
All I am saying is that taking out almost all your fat and carbs is ridiculous, unless it's the final weeks before a show and you are behind an/or trying to make weight. I have had striated glutes while dieting on 200 grams of carbs and 250 grams of protein with very low fat. Your diet would make one appear extremely flat and I;m sorry, but you are not going to be training to your full potential on this plan.
Im with you
I used to diet on around 50-60% 20-30% carbs and low fats and always got in shape for shows.
I tried the high protein diet about 18 months ago when I dieted again after 16 years out of it.
I was fucked all the time and kept getting light-headed and I almost keeled over a couple of times due to low blood sugar levels.
Its not for me, I thrive on carbs
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theres a difference between 'best' and 'only' isnt there?
you fucked up bro. its ok. in your excitement you jumped into a discussion with absolutely no clue about the topic at hand. i get that. everyone can see how this has progressed- see? its all right there.
so quit twisting my words in an attempt to save face, cause i'll keep burying you and enjoy every minute of it.
LOL!!! You take this shit way too seriously, my friend. Listen, I totally agree with you about the guru bullshit. It's not necessary and the only time i everr hired one, it was a complete waste of money....but I simply hate a diet where you are basically eating just protein. It's not realistic and most people are going to fuck it up and get fatter than they were before when they come off it. If it works for some people, then great....I personally have good results with a higher carb?lower fat diet and it's easy for me to control the rebound.
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Im with you
I used to diet on around 50-60% 20-30% carbs and low fats and always got in shape for shows.
I tried the high protein diet about 18 months ago when I dieted again after 16 years out of it.
I was fucked all the time and kept getting light-headed and I almost keeled over a couple of times due to low blood sugar levels.
Its not for me, I thrive on carbs
thank you...I'm glad I am not the only one.
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You don't go a little higher on fats? Personally, if i dieted like that every time i did a show, I would have a terrible rebound, unless i stayed on stims/t-3 after the show. I like gradually cutting out some carbs and fats to lean out and just simply not getting fat in the off-season. to each his own, i guess.
The thing is it does not hinder my workouts how people claim, it does not take away my muscle how people claim, it is truely the quickest way to do it so here is the choice;
drag it out 12-15 weeks fairly comfortable but still kind of tough or
extremely hard and painful but the trade off is 8-10 weeks instead
I will take the shorter time and soldier it out, it is a refreshing challange and I love it so you saying it makes no sense, well that is your opinion and my opinion is dieting on 200 grams of carbs makes no sense for me since it will take 12 weeks instead of 8, like you said to each their own.
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The thing is it does not hinder my workouts how people claim, it does not take away my muscle how people claim, it is truely the quickest way to do it so here is the choice;
drag it out 12-15 weeks fairly comfortable but still kind of tough or
extremely hard and painful but the trade off is 8-10 weeks instead
I will take the shorter time and soldier it out, it is a refreshing challange and I love it so you saying it makes no sense, well that is your opinion and my opinion is dieting on 200 grams of carbs makes no sense for me since it will take 12 weeks instead of 8, like you said to each their own.
how is your rebound after that? Not trying to sound like a dick, but I know most people would have some major issues coming off a diet like that unless they kept a lot drugs in.
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how is your rebound after that? Not trying to sound like a dick, but I know most people would have some major issues coming off a diet like that unless they kept a lot drugs in.
Ya but I don't care how I look after the job is done and mind you if I keep my carbs down to 200 per day I can stay in the single digits forever and it will be like eating a buffet in comparison to what I just went through for 8 weeks.
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The diet must be painful to achieve low digit bodyfat. There is no denying that. And if you're supplementing properly, there's no point in prolonging it. Just diet hard and get there fast. The only guys this doesn't work for is really fat guys, because the skin doesn't have enough time to tighten up and they get that loose skin look around the navel or hamstring/glute tie-in. But there's not much you can do if that's you...just take your time and hope your skin tightens up. It may never tighten up.
However, though I think most of us agree the diet needs to be painfully low in calories, it doesn't need to be painfully devoid of certain foods.
Once I set my calorie limit for the week, I pretty much eat whatever types of food I want. The weight still comes off, the muscle is still there, and everything looks and performs as it should. Naturally, as calories drop, I end up eating more veggies to help my stomach feel full. I don't have as much caloric room to eat ice cream (though I still do...I then just can't eat as much for the rest of the day, and that can hurt more than ice cream makes me feel good). But these are the mental games of dieting.
The science is pretty brain-dead simple. Don't eat more than you should. Try not create a deficiency in key micronutrients over the very long-term by being irresponsible, but don't worry if each day isn't perfect...your body has evolved to deal with micro and macronutrient shortages for weeks and months...a day or two won't make a hill of beans.
I've dieted for shows on super strict stand bb'er diets. And I've dieted for past two shows doing intermittent fasting, with one meal per day before bed, worth as low as 1800 calories, as much as 2500 calories depending on where I am on the diet. I'm much happier, more productive, just as lean, just as muscular, eating the one big meal of "whatever foods" before bed. I love going to sleep feeling full, and it helps me sleep better (I get insomnia when I'm hungry). I love not being burdened by having to eat all day long...what a pain in the ass. And I love being able to choose from my favorite foods. I get to eat dinner with my family, and if it's pasta night, I go ahead and have pasta that day as my meal and don't sweat it. I even have some cake with the kids, or a popscicle so I'm not some lousy stupid dad who's watching his macros. Usually, here's what I eat at my one meal, late at night, since these are my favorite foods and I just like them and so does the family:
1. ridiculously large greek salad with lots of olives and feta and dressing
2. about 10oz of lean meat - whatever got cooked that day. Never fish...I hate fish. Has to be a land animal, or maybe a crustacean
3. a big bowl of popcorn with salt, Ms Dash, and salt & vinegar powder on it while I watch a movie or some TV
4. 2 or 3 hard boiled eggs or some more cheese
5. a spoonful of peanut butter
6. some pickels, hot peppers and more olives
7. some prosciutto or maybe some porchetta - 4 or 5 pieces
8. a beer or two
After this, watch a bit of TV or play with the kids, or go to bed. Wake up happy and leaner. It always works. When not dieting, I just eat more of the above, and also eat more nuts (Brazil, macadamia, and tamari almonds are my favorite - they're like crack) and I like fruits too (kiwis, oranges, grapes, whatever...). Or maybe a piece of bread or two...I like Galeniko's "hollowed-out-bread-crust" meal...very tasty idea.
When I'm too lazy to eat all of the above food, I usually just eat a liter of homemade soup, add some parmesan cheese. I defy someone to eat 2000 calories of homemade chicken soup - you just can't do it. That's how you control calories, but still feel full in the stomach so that the day becomes enjoyable.
And that's bullshit about being unproductive. I work a desk for a large M&A firm. I don't get the luxury of being stupid or stoned out on low carbs. I have to perform be it on a spreadsheet, or in a boardroom with aggressive type A personalities. Your body will adapt. The bullshit of "it's too hard...I'm too tired" is just bullshit weakness. Own your shit, and man-up. Christ...our forefathers ploughed fields and worked the land all day long and sometimes didn't eat, but they did it and they were strong and they didn't whine. I could at least aspire to be something like that.
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I work a desk for a large M&A firm. I don't get the luxury of being stupid or stoned out on low carbs. I have to perform be it on a spreadsheet, or in a boardroom with aggressive type A personalities.
I am in a similar position, my job demands I am on the ball and not spaced out, if I make mistakes it can impact on the safety of others.
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Galeniko-
Ok what EXACTLY do you eat during a typically days eating. Please break it down.
Can't seem to find that in this thread. Lay out the when's, the how much of your plan.
I've been doing 6 grams of carbs for the first two meals of day (egg whites,chicken breasts,1 oz almonds) then eating a turkey sandwhich.
Your thoughts?
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LOL!!! You take this shit way too seriously, my friend. Listen, I totally agree with you about the guru bullshit. It's not necessary and the only time i everr hired one, it was a complete waste of money....but I simply hate a diet where you are basically eating just protein. It's not realistic and most people are going to fuck it up and get fatter than they were before when they come off it. If it works for some people, then great....I personally have good results with a higher carb?lower fat diet and it's easy for me to control the rebound.
rebound? what rebound? why do you rebound after a show? supercompensation of water and glycogen. because you've depleted water to the point where it now hoards it once it is reintroduced. why would you rebound on this diet? your not dropping water. where is this even coming from? im trying to be civil here but jesus christ man.
rebound. what the fuck are you even talking about? why would you 'rebound' off this? if you eat 4k cals your not burning off your going to get fat period. whats this rebound bullshit? what does this have to do with anything?
why are you even posting in here? im being serious. it's be different if you were sharing advise or saying things that make sense but all you've done is twist what we are saying and talked utter nonsense.
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how is your rebound after that? Not trying to sound like a dick, but I know most people would have some major issues coming off a diet like that unless they kept a lot drugs in.
what drugs do you use to control your rebound? im curious. i really want to know this. thanks.
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LOL!!! You take this shit way too seriously, my friend. Listen, I totally agree with you about the guru bullshit. It's not necessary and the only time i everr hired one, it was a complete waste of money....but I simply hate a diet where you are basically eating just protein. It's not realistic and most people are going to fuck it up and get fatter than they were before when they come off it. If it works for some people, then great....I personally have good results with a higher carb?lower fat diet and it's easy for me to control the rebound.
why is it not realistic?
what are people going to fuck up?
what the hell are you talking about?
dont even bother to answer bro. take a look at 'snx's post. thats a quality post. theres no bullshit nonsense in that. thats what works for him. all your doing is talking a bunch of absolute stupidity.
come back when you have something to say that makes sense.
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Im with you
I used to diet on around 50-60% 20-30% carbs and low fats and always got in shape for shows.
I tried the high protein diet about 18 months ago when I dieted again after 16 years out of it.
I was fucked all the time and kept getting light-headed and I almost keeled over a couple of times due to low blood sugar levels.
Its not for me, I thrive on carbs
Same here. Years ago (2004) I did Low to no Carb and it was awful. My strength dropped to laughable levels and I kept protein ultra high- 2 to 2.5 grams per lb of body weight. It was the worst time I ever had in the gym and I was doing Five Days a week. It was definitely not optimal at all for me. Of course body fat dropped to single digits, but so did everything else I think. Keep in Mind I am a Lifetime Natural so that will probably be a big reason why it didn`t work well at all. Again, I cannot speak for anyone using anything- Prohormones or Steroids.
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Iris Kyle
She does not eat carbs and she does two hours of cardio every day
She starves she suffers she is miserable
Galeniko was right
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Iris Kyle
She does not eat carbs and she does two hours of cardio every day
She starves she suffers she is miserable
Galeniko was right
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The diet must be painful to achieve low digit bodyfat. There is no denying that. And if you're supplementing properly, there's no point in prolonging it. Just diet hard and get there fast. The only guys this doesn't work for is really fat guys, because the skin doesn't have enough time to tighten up and they get that loose skin look around the navel or hamstring/glute tie-in. But there's not much you can do if that's you...just take your time and hope your skin tightens up. It may never tighten up.
However, though I think most of us agree the diet needs to be painfully low in calories, it doesn't need to be painfully devoid of certain foods.
Once I set my calorie limit for the week, I pretty much eat whatever types of food I want. The weight still comes off, the muscle is still there, and everything looks and performs as it should. Naturally, as calories drop, I end up eating more veggies to help my stomach feel full. I don't have as much caloric room to eat ice cream (though I still do...I then just can't eat as much for the rest of the day, and that can hurt more than ice cream makes me feel good). But these are the mental games of dieting.
The science is pretty brain-dead simple. Don't eat more than you should. Try not create a deficiency in key micronutrients over the very long-term by being irresponsible, but don't worry if each day isn't perfect...your body has evolved to deal with micro and macronutrient shortages for weeks and months...a day or two won't make a hill of beans.
I've dieted for shows on super strict stand bb'er diets. And I've dieted for past two shows doing intermittent fasting, with one meal per day before bed, worth as low as 1800 calories, as much as 2500 calories depending on where I am on the diet. I'm much happier, more productive, just as lean, just as muscular, eating the one big meal of "whatever foods" before bed. I love going to sleep feeling full, and it helps me sleep better (I get insomnia when I'm hungry). I love not being burdened by having to eat all day long...what a pain in the ass. And I love being able to choose from my favorite foods. I get to eat dinner with my family, and if it's pasta night, I go ahead and have pasta that day as my meal and don't sweat it. I even have some cake with the kids, or a popscicle so I'm not some lousy stupid dad who's watching his macros. Usually, here's what I eat at my one meal, late at night, since these are my favorite foods and I just like them and so does the family:
1. ridiculously large greek salad with lots of olives and feta and dressing
2. about 10oz of lean meat - whatever got cooked that day. Never fish...I hate fish. Has to be a land animal, or maybe a crustacean
3. a big bowl of popcorn with salt, Ms Dash, and salt & vinegar powder on it while I watch a movie or some TV
4. 2 or 3 hard boiled eggs or some more cheese
5. a spoonful of peanut butter
6. some pickels, hot peppers and more olives
7. some prosciutto or maybe some porchetta - 4 or 5 pieces
8. a beer or two
After this, watch a bit of TV or play with the kids, or go to bed. Wake up happy and leaner. It always works. When not dieting, I just eat more of the above, and also eat more nuts (Brazil, macadamia, and tamari almonds are my favorite - they're like crack) and I like fruits too (kiwis, oranges, grapes, whatever...). Or maybe a piece of bread or two...I like Galeniko's "hollowed-out-bread-crust" meal...very tasty idea.
When I'm too lazy to eat all of the above food, I usually just eat a liter of homemade soup, add some parmesan cheese. I defy someone to eat 2000 calories of homemade chicken soup - you just can't do it. That's how you control calories, but still feel full in the stomach so that the day becomes enjoyable.
And that's bullshit about being unproductive. I work a desk for a large M&A firm. I don't get the luxury of being stupid or stoned out on low carbs. I have to perform be it on a spreadsheet, or in a boardroom with aggressive type A personalities. Your body will adapt. The bullshit of "it's too hard...I'm too tired" is just bullshit weakness. Own your shit, and man-up. Christ...our forefathers ploughed fields and worked the land all day long and sometimes didn't eat, but they did it and they were strong and they didn't whine. I could at least aspire to be something like that.
We are making Tikka Masala. I suggest that for epic Leans and Protein.
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The diet must be painful to achieve low digit bodyfat. There is no denying that. And if you're supplementing properly, there's no point in prolonging it. Just diet hard and get there fast. The only guys this doesn't work for is really fat guys, because the skin doesn't have enough time to tighten up and they get that loose skin look around the navel or hamstring/glute tie-in. But there's not much you can do if that's you...just take your time and hope your skin tightens up. It may never tighten up.
However, though I think most of us agree the diet needs to be painfully low in calories, it doesn't need to be painfully devoid of certain foods.
Once I set my calorie limit for the week, I pretty much eat whatever types of food I want. The weight still comes off, the muscle is still there, and everything looks and performs as it should. Naturally, as calories drop, I end up eating more veggies to help my stomach feel full. I don't have as much caloric room to eat ice cream (though I still do...I then just can't eat as much for the rest of the day, and that can hurt more than ice cream makes me feel good). But these are the mental games of dieting.
The science is pretty brain-dead simple. Don't eat more than you should. Try not create a deficiency in key micronutrients over the very long-term by being irresponsible, but don't worry if each day isn't perfect...your body has evolved to deal with micro and macronutrient shortages for weeks and months...a day or two won't make a hill of beans.
I've dieted for shows on super strict stand bb'er diets. And I've dieted for past two shows doing intermittent fasting, with one meal per day before bed, worth as low as 1800 calories, as much as 2500 calories depending on where I am on the diet. I'm much happier, more productive, just as lean, just as muscular, eating the one big meal of "whatever foods" before bed. I love going to sleep feeling full, and it helps me sleep better (I get insomnia when I'm hungry). I love not being burdened by having to eat all day long...what a pain in the ass. And I love being able to choose from my favorite foods. I get to eat dinner with my family, and if it's pasta night, I go ahead and have pasta that day as my meal and don't sweat it. I even have some cake with the kids, or a popscicle so I'm not some lousy stupid dad who's watching his macros. Usually, here's what I eat at my one meal, late at night, since these are my favorite foods and I just like them and so does the family:
1. ridiculously large greek salad with lots of olives and feta and dressing
2. about 10oz of lean meat - whatever got cooked that day. Never fish...I hate fish. Has to be a land animal, or maybe a crustacean
3. a big bowl of popcorn with salt, Ms Dash, and salt & vinegar powder on it while I watch a movie or some TV
4. 2 or 3 hard boiled eggs or some more cheese
5. a spoonful of peanut butter
6. some pickels, hot peppers and more olives
7. some prosciutto or maybe some porchetta - 4 or 5 pieces
8. a beer or two
After this, watch a bit of TV or play with the kids, or go to bed. Wake up happy and leaner. It always works. When not dieting, I just eat more of the above, and also eat more nuts (Brazil, macadamia, and tamari almonds are my favorite - they're like crack) and I like fruits too (kiwis, oranges, grapes, whatever...). Or maybe a piece of bread or two...I like Galeniko's "hollowed-out-bread-crust" meal...very tasty idea.
When I'm too lazy to eat all of the above food, I usually just eat a liter of homemade soup, add some parmesan cheese. I defy someone to eat 2000 calories of homemade chicken soup - you just can't do it. That's how you control calories, but still feel full in the stomach so that the day becomes enjoyable.
And that's bullshit about being unproductive. I work a desk for a large M&A firm. I don't get the luxury of being stupid or stoned out on low carbs. I have to perform be it on a spreadsheet, or in a boardroom with aggressive type A personalities. Your body will adapt. The bullshit of "it's too hard...I'm too tired" is just bullshit weakness. Own your shit, and man-up. Christ...our forefathers ploughed fields and worked the land all day long and sometimes didn't eat, but they did it and they were strong and they didn't whine. I could at least aspire to be something like that.
awesome post.
for me i try to stay away from eating for taste as i said before as the more utilitarian i am in my approach, the more business like the more i use food as a fuel source and not for pleasure the easier i can control my appetite, the easier i can control my cravings, and the more robotic i can be in my approach which doesnt allow me to think ahead to the next meal.
like you get it. you really do. all gal and i have done is made it more demanding to speed up the fat loss process by cutting the cals way down. but insofar as the nuts and bolts of the system we are on the same page. just our cals are different and length of time in that deficit before eating again.
like i said earlier in this thread to TA all paths lead to rome. your sure does too. actually i will go so far as to wholeheartedly endorse your way of eating as a prolonged system over a great length of time, once you have achieved an optimal bf level.
we can get the guy who is at 10-12% down to sucked in condition faster than anyone. this approach you follow would be a sane and enjoyable way of maintaining that and taking a little break from it once you get there. you could litterally stay on what you have outlined here the rest of your life and live optimally- physically and mentally.
the key component we share is the fast. we just chose to use it longer, and are more extreme in that state.
great post.
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hangclean, other diets dont cause rebounds eh?
lets see how much your approach has rebounded on yourself haha ;D
rebound is sugarcoat term for letting oneself go on diet.yeah some glycogen and water gain will happen at the end, but the fat will come from overeating in any case.
any dieting aproach, towards 5% fat, will allow very little food.any diet.
I don`t agree with that last part.
Luimarco is a Lifetime Natural and does 2400-2600 to get single digits down to 4 percent. Higher Carbs as well.
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/TdbOCWTBZJM/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Chris Jones is another Lifetime Natural who does carbs around 300 grams and about 2700 calories.
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Next Mr O right there.
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TA we already ascertained that someone can get lean eating 2500cals a day. we had this discussion, so i fail to see your point here.
cheers.
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TA we already ascertained that someone can get lean eating 2500cals a day. we had this discussion, so i fail to see your point here.
cheers.
I see this thread as a Compendium of all approaches. I saw a few posts from different people that were asserting that someone had to suffer or that they had to go low calorie to get to 5 percent or below and its just not the case at all.
As you said, many roads will lead to Rome and the bottom line is each individual must decide for themselves which to take. This is probably the best diet thread on Getbig ever.
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I see this thread as a Compendium of all approaches. I saw a few posts from different people that were asserting that someone had to suffer or that they had to go low calorie to get to 5 percent or below and its just not the case at all.
As you said, many roads will lead to Rome and the bottom line is each individual must decide for themselves which to take. This is probably the best diet thread on Getbig ever.
probably the best diet thread on any board ever, or will be by the time its done lol.
a lot of good info here from a alot of good guys.
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this is a very good post,and yeah,even on this diet it doesnt matter if its 1 or 5 meals,its very little anyway.
yeah its just the lets get this behind us approach, one can later on maintain the condition on much more nice foods than the guy who allows himself some bits in his diet to cut off the fat.
its a mystery to me how anyone rather wants to diet for longer than required ???
For the Lifetime Naturals, the "long" diet (which is more like normal caloric range- just a slight deficit) seemingly works best when compared to the ultra low calorie, no carb approach. Brian Whitacre diets with 2600-2800 calories.
(http://teamanimal.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/brianlowerback.jpg)
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/bcc25c670cf59cbd169267127d16a366def02b1.jpg)
Here is an offseason picture of him. He diets at that level for 26 weeks and loses around 20 lbs during that time.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/whit1317/FDB.jpg)
(http://www.brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/MM%201.jpg)
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i gotta say, the longer this thread goes on, the more confusing it gets...
points i've picked up that seem to be consistent throughout the pages:
1. don't worry about losing muscle, fat will go first
2. as long as calories are low, choice of foods matters little except
a) some claim eating strictly protein is the best, and easiest path to take
b) some claim eating more tasty things is the best, easiest path to take
this one i'm a little less certain of:
3. "only eat when hungry" and, seemingly, some people prefer to stave off eating as long as possible (even spending entire days fasted)
beyond that, the longer this thread has gotten, the more contradictory, messy, and confusing it's become, imo. one point i find especially confusing: i'm very unclear whether these diet tips are meant to be used in perpetuity, or just to lose weight, it seems like there are a lot of conflicting takes on this. personally my body composition practically never changes... i was very lean the first 20 years of my life, then i tried to "bulk" and got very fat after a couple years, then i lost all the weight and have been fairly lean again. sounds like most people around here are constantly yoyoing around bodyweights... if the diet advice here can't be realistically applied in perpetuity, i really have no interest.
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I look at it like this. When someone decides they have had enough of being a permabulker, and they say to themselves..."i want abs." They want abs NOW...not in 26 weeks. That's half a year. So if it was me, I'm gOing to suffer and get them as quiclky as possible. There is no "now" when you are 15% but I'd rather it was ten weeks instead of 20.
Thats the appeal of the hardcoe diet..quickest from point A to point B. Probably not as pleasant as a more sensible diet, but everything is a trade-off in life.
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why the fuck anyone would want to diet for 26 weeks is beyond me.
i'd rather diet for 4-6 weeks eating whatever i want every 4 days, get to 5% and drink corona all summer, bbq and enjoy life. to each their own i guess. i got better things to do than to diet for 26 fucking weeks to get nearly the same results i can get in 6.
i cant even imagine preparing meals for 26 weeks. not eating pizza. going thru the bullshit of counting my cals, counting carbs, making sure my 'ratio's are correct'., preparing 26 weeks worth of meals at 7 times a day? where do i sign up for such fun?!
gal gets to 5% eating pizaa and ice cream before bed every couple days.
i'll pass. thanks.
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i gotta say, the longer this thread goes on, the more confusing it gets...
points i've picked up that seem to be consistent throughout the pages:
1. don't worry about losing muscle, fat will go first
2. as long as calories are low, choice of foods matters little except
a) some claim eating strictly protein is the best, and easiest path to take
b) some claim eating more tasty things is the best, easiest path to take
this one i'm a little less certain of:
3. "only eat when hungry" and, seemingly, some people prefer to stave off eating as long as possible (even spending entire days fasted)
beyond that, the longer this thread has gotten, the more contradictory, messy, and confusing it's become, imo. one point i find especially confusing: i'm very unclear whether these diet tips are meant to be used in perpetuity, or just to lose weight, it seems like there are a lot of conflicting takes on this. personally my body composition practically never changes... i was very lean the first 20 years of my life, then i tried to "bulk" and got very fat after a couple years, then i lost all the weight and have been fairly lean again. sounds like most people around here are constantly yoyoing around bodyweights... if the diet advice here can't be realistically applied in perpetuity, i really have no interest.
take all the advise you have read and divide it into two groups:
the advise that gal and i give.
the advise that everyone else is giving.
because gal and i are the only two in the thread who are exactly on the same page. everyone else has their own ideas of what works- not saying we or he is right and everyone else is wrong. to each their own. someone asked gal to lay out his strategy and he took the time to do so. this thread has kinda goine from 'gal what did you do to get lean' to 'what someone can do to get lean' but the basic premise still remains- nobody will get leaner faster using this method of dieting.
so, there you have it. simple as that.
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I look at it like this. When someone decides they have had enough of being a permabulker, and they say to themselves..."i want abs." They want abs NOW...not in 26 weeks. That's half a year. So if it was me, I'm gOing to suffer and get them as quiclky as possible. There is no "now" when you are 15% but I'd rather it was ten weeks instead of 20.
Thats the appeal of the hardcoe diet..quickest from point A to point B. Probably not as pleasant as a more sensible diet, but everything is a trade-off in life.
bingo.
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I look at it like this. When someone decides they have had enough of being a permabulker, and they say to themselves..."i want abs." They want abs NOW...not in 26 weeks. That's half a year. So if it was me, I'm gOing to suffer and get them as quiclky as possible. There is no "now" when you are 15% but I'd rather it was ten weeks instead of 20.
Thats the appeal of the hardcoe diet..quickest from point A to point B. Probably not as pleasant as a more sensible diet, but everything is a trade-off in life.
I think the object of "long diets" are not to "get abs" but to hone the abs that show. Most Lifetime Naturals who do high Calories can already see their abs are are just shaving off a few points of bodyfat here and there.
That works as well though even if higher bodyfat and abs cannot be seen.
The bottom line for any approach is this:
1. CALORIC DEFICIT (high or low works)
2. FOOD CHOICES DO NOT really matter as long as Nutritional Amount is met with whatever diet you are following- (can be high protein, moderate protein, low protein, high fat, low fat, moderate fat, High Carb, Low Carb, Moderate Carb and any combination thereof.) (the Minimum RDA will be met with most diets anyways by default so Nutrients are taken care for the most part by any approach)
3. STICK WITH WHATEVER APPROACH TO THE END- No matter what type of Diet you choose. Changing horses in Mid Stream will only make it harder to get across the river.
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take all the advise you have read and divide it into two groups:
the advise that gal and i give.
the advise that everyone else is giving.
because gal and i are the only two in the thread who are exactly on the same page. everyone else has their own ideas of what works.
so, there you have it. simple as that.
Well, Alberto Nunez is another "High Calorie" dieter and I think he may be a bit leaner than any pics of anyone so far.
(http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Alberto-Nunez3.jpg)
(http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Alberto-Nunez2.jpg)
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Well, Alberto Nunez is another "High Calorie" dieter and I think he may be a bit leaner than any pics of anyone so far.
(http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Alberto-Nunez3.jpg)
(http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Alberto-Nunez2.jpg)
how come you dont look like that? dont you follow a high calorie diet?
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how come you dont look like that? dont you follow a high calorie diet?
I`ve never tried to get that low, but this will be my first attempt at it I think. Everything is working so far. Who knows if I make it, we shall see.
I don`t think really anybody on Getbig has gotten that low to be honest with you.
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I`ve never tried to get that low, but this will be my first attempt at it I think. Everything is working so far. Who knows if I make it, we shall see.
I don`t think really anybody on Getbig has gotten that low to be honest with you.
gal is almost there now. in a matter of weeks, not months. ;)
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I think this is a Very Good Video by Eric Helms:
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almost there.
and it took so far what, 2 weeks of following it to the t pretty much.
You were low body fat from the start of course which is incredibly important I think.
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actually, the body% percent is rouhgly there already, but keep in mind i will not-unlike those "natties" there-engage into diuretics, or other approaches to get as dry.noone knows exactly what i mean,we just talked about that, but that i wont do.
btw adam, that last guy had freaking gyno surgery, put him out of the pool for naturals,lol.
Alberto Nunez never had Gyno. ???
Also, no diuretics are used. Just water, about 3-4 gallons a day. Same thing Layne Norton does:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne-norton-peak-week-water-sodium.html
My recommendations: Keep water and sodium intake the same. If you're used to drinking 2 gallons of water a day, continue drinking that amount up till an hour or two before the show-and that's just so you don't feel like you have to pee standing onstage! Similarly, if you're accustomed to eating 3 grams of sodium a day, continue doing so during peak week.
In fact, I've found that eating a meal relatively high in sodium, carbs, and fat 2 hours before stepping onstage can drastically increase vascularity and fullness.
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Layne Norton · 30,419 like this
June 6, 2012 at 2:13pm ·
And exhibit A for why cutting water & sodium is BS voodoo. Please see my man Eric who had ~8000mg sodium (normal for him) and around 2-2.5 gallons water here absolutely no diuretics. (http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/1%20and%204%20weeks%20out/photo.jpg)
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actually, the body% percent is rouhgly there already, but keep in mind i will not-unlike those "natties" there-engage into diuretics, or other approaches to get as dry.noone knows exactly what i mean,we just talked about that, but that i wont do.
btw adam, that last guy had freaking gyno surgery, put him out of the pool for naturals,lol.
Naturals do not have to worry about steroid water retention. Its really that easy-Get Very Lean, consume 2-3 gallons of water day in and day out. Nothing else. I don`t know if that would work for Steroid users, but it works for Lifetime Naturals.
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Layne Norton :he would look worse without water... that is the point. if you deplete water you never optimize hardness or vascularity. These dogmatic voodoo myths have been fed to people for years and they just accept them. Anyone who's ever picked up a basic physiology book could tell you cutting water & sodium is not the way to look full and hard
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Layne Norton: Amy, a small % of people cannot eliminate excess sodium efficiently from the kidneys, they would need to be on salt restricted diets perpetually
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ofc it is importnant, it really takes nothing but to do whats suggested by me and noone if one is at 6-7% afrom the getgo
2-3weeks with no cheat days and bom everything shredded.
btw, that was my point about the water manipulation, read between the lines why i wont go there ;)
its not good for the kdney and such :D
There is no manipulation and nothing to read between. 2-3 gallons day in and day out the entire time. Nothing else. No diuretics are involved no foreign substances trying to wash out. You don`t have to believe it if you don`t want to, but it actually is true. No drugs, no diuretics, none of that.
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Eric is very lean.
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http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144528881
Here is his contest prep thread. He is 6`5
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He also does "High Carbs" "High Calories" Low day of 190 grams carbs.
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Here's a few more cold from this am (2 Days Out), was feeling pretty flat in these, being that today is my "low" (190 carbs) day of peak week. I feel a million times better this afternoon, as I seem to be tightening up even more!! BTW, how the hell is my right glute more striated then my left, LMAO!!!
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6-20-12
AM Weight: 195.8
Well hello 195s, for the first time in six weeks!! My prep low thus far has been 195.2, awoke at 195.8 this am, following a healthy refeed, nonetheless. Got my second peak week protocol from Layne last night, and some of the changes we've made is lowering my sodium a bit during the next 10 days. What I found last peak week was that some of the foods I typically eat on my regular carb days (200+) are higher and sodium and when we lower my carbs for a bit of depletion a lot of those foods (namely Lavish bread) aren't suitable for my macros. So, the first few days of my last peak week, I felt like I was floating (9000mg of sodium). Also, I'm not complaining one bit, but we've bumped my loading carbs, throughout the week and show day up significantly. I'm very excited to get rocking and rolling and my buddy Joe Wilson is gonna' swing by and do some final touch ups on my posing.
It's funny, when you're taking in more food you feel like you're not gonna' be as dialed in or tight, but I must say, I feel like I look the best I ever had as my glutes have really dialed in and in my pics I think I look a little more fuller. Today is Chest/Back hyper (my favorite day of the week aside from power legs) and I'm gonna' really nail it being that I don't have much on my plate in the office today, for once, lol
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Layne Norton: lowest he got down to carb wise was around 175g
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i'd rather diet for 4-6 weeks eating whatever i want every 4 days
So you do throw in a cheat meal here and there?
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read the thread entirely.
best to not have cheat meals.when youre done with this you eat whatever you want with no regards to nothing but couple simple rules and wont get fat.
that said, today:boom
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thundersound**
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see, if i wanted, i can call it quits , thats properly shredded.and can maintain this for whole summer getting away with icecreams and whatnot
this is the part i dont understand... do you mean you can consistently eat higher cals once you've dieted down, and wont get fat?
also, to maintain the condition you've shown in the above pics, do you have to consistently follow the "no eating until hunger pangs drive you crazy" rule? i feel like that would drive me insane... not because i lack the willpower, but because i don't want to be thinking about diet and "fighting hunger" 24/7/365... doesn't seem maintainable.
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Does this mean no more TA shit talk about how he can outdeadlift me ???
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I look at it like this. When someone decides they have had enough of being a permabulker, and they say to themselves..."i want abs." They want abs NOW...not in 26 weeks. That's half a year. So if it was me, I'm gOing to suffer and get them as quiclky as possible. There is no "now" when you are 15% but I'd rather it was ten weeks instead of 20.
Thats the appeal of the hardcoe diet..quickest from point A to point B. Probably not as pleasant as a more sensible diet, but everything is a trade-off in life.
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Does this mean no more TA shit talk about how he can outdeadlift me ???
Depends on a few things.
First, I have never seen a deadlift picture or video of you so I am not sure what you can do.
Second, are we talking Power to Weight or Total Weight? If you weigh 250 lbs and are only deadlifting 600 thats the equivalent of me doing 425 for reps- Quite easy to do.
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I look at it like this. When someone decides they have had enough of being a permabulker, and they say to themselves..."i want abs." They want abs NOW...not in 26 weeks. That's half a year. So if it was me, I'm gOing to suffer and get them as quiclky as possible. There is no "now" when you are 15% but I'd rather it was ten weeks instead of 20.
Thats the appeal of the hardcoe diet..quickest from point A to point B. Probably not as pleasant as a more sensible diet, but everything is a trade-off in life.
I think its a slightly different ballgame for people not using any steroids though.
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this is the part i dont understand... do you mean you can consistently eat higher cals once you've dieted down, and wont get fat?
also, to maintain the condition you've shown in the above pics, do you have to consistently follow the "no eating until hunger pangs drive you crazy" rule? i feel like that would drive me insane... not because i lack the willpower, but because i don't want to be thinking about diet and "fighting hunger" 24/7/365... doesn't seem maintainable.
AS you get leaner your body becomes more and more efficient in terms of burning calories, building muscle and retaining muscle even in low cal days. Also your body responds better to anabolics and other peds unlike a fatter version of you. Not sure if related but nothing drops estrogen levels like dropping bodyfat down to single digit levels. I'm speculating but that may have a lot to do with what galeniko is talking about.
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read the thread entirely.
best to not have cheat meals.when youre done with this you eat whatever you want with no regards to nothing but couple simple rules and wont get fat.
that said, today:boom
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thundersound**
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see, if i wanted, i can call it quits , thats properly shredded.and can maintain this for whole summer getting away with icecreams and whatnot
Impressive my friend.
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yes, a body when very very lean becomes a perfect machine, it uses the energy and foods perfectly.
while when fat, its plain and simply a huge mess.nothing works well, the pumps, the recovery, the metabolism, everything sucks.
so many fatsos out there who think they need this and that food and amount of cals, who never been ripped and dont know how much day and night difference it is.
theyd be laughing at their own claims if they knew.
I was going to post something about that today actually. When lean the workouts become SOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much better. You feel everything. You can keep going and going and each set gets better and better. I don`t think anyone really has that "mind to muscle" connection unless they are around 10 percent or less. I think when the fat surrounds the muscle and is inside it, it hinders the usage of it and it never works to its full potential. Blood flow is obviously much poorer the fatter one is and the fatsos fool themselves if they think they are getting any kind of pump whatsoever.
I am training 6 days a week now and I love it. 3 on one off 3 on one off etc... Heavy weight, many sets. Today was Back and Shoulders 5 exercises for 5 sets each for back and 4 exercises for 5 sets each for shoulders. My training poundages even went up today.
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that Erik guy is the only 'natural' I can believe isn't on at least var and tren.. that kind of conditioning is going to eat any mass a real natural has, so his size seems about right for that amazing level of bf% (and even then, who knows)
I'm 2 weeks into a PSMF - Lyle McDonalds diet that's basically just protein and nothing else - and strength actually isn't going down. I had a couple of days of higher carbs, but just 100g, not a pig out 'refeed' binge of 500gs carbs like most people do, today I deadlifted 545 for 8 which is more than I've done in years.
Endurance is just SHIT on no carbs.. no pump, even when I do 10x10 with short rest periods I just don't get that swollen pumped up, bursting feeling.
But it works.. I dropped 20lbs in the first week, added 5 back with the 2 day carb up which leaves me still 15lbs in under 2 weeks. Fuck 16 weeks of cardio, high carbs and dropping 2lb a week.
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I'm pretty much in line with what No One and Gal say.
These are my principles:
1. don't cheat on the diet. If you get X amount of calories, then only eat that. Cheating because you think you need to top up the tank with more calories is bullshit justification for weakness. Suffer and get there. Do or do not.
2. the amount of meals you eat isn't really relevant. 'It's calories in vs calories out. Eat them all at once, or space it out and eat 20 meals a day if you like. It won't matter. The body is a marvelous machine that will adapt to absorb what it needs to survive and thrive. And when you're dieting, your body wants to survive. It will preserve muscle and shed fat. That's why your body has fat in the first place...to keep you alive when you starve.
3. do it quick. Don't pussy foot around. Do the job, get in and get out. Focus on the goal, and get to point A from point B as fast as you can reasonably do it. Diet as quickly as you can. Humans wane in their passion for long-term goals - that is the inevitability of human nature. Appreciate this; set a lofty goal and chase it down with all of your passion and power.
4. food choices don't matter for physique composition. Now, some guys like typical bb'ing foods because it keeps them regimented and it's easy to plan and cook. This is a mental choice...not a physical one. Some guys like different foods because it allows them to taste foods they like and they feel they can control caloric intake even if they eat non-traditional foods (like TA). If you can be disciplined in this approach, great. If not, then just pick a dozen food sources and stick to them. It really doesn't matter physically. What matters is that you can stick to it, and not deviate. That is the best plan. You know your weaknesses and triggers best. Choose the approach that allows you to master your triggers that cause you to deviate. Some guys can't eat just a few potato chips or a small bowl of ice cream or a single bottle of beer without going hog wild -- for you guys, eat bb'ing foods. For those of you who find that little tastes of non-traditional bb'ing foods allows you to hold to a steady caloric intake, then do it. This is purely an emotional and mental issue...it will not affect physique composition to any material extent. Stop convincing yourself otherwise and open up to new ways of thinking.
5. You don't need 500g of protein per day. You might like eating that much, but you don't need that much. Stop rationalizing your thought processes. Test yourself and see what happens. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
6. There are no "bad foods". There is only too much, or not enough. Not enough, and you lose fat. Too much, and you gain fat.
7. Live life. Bodybuilding should complement your life, not run it. Be a human. Enjoy all that humanity has to offer. Don't ostracize yourself from friends and family because your tupperware won't travel. Is that really "living"? Is your end goal really to be a slave to the Foreman grill and a tupperware container?
8. Training doesn't matter all that much, in terms of what program you're doing. Your body will develop to its potential as long as you are consistently in the gym. Ergo, choose programs that allow you to consistently hit the gym. Don't lift stupid and get injured. Don't burn out on ridiculously long or intense programs. Don't get bored with training. Change it up not to shock the muscles (that's pretty stupid); change it up to keep you interested. The more consistent you are with hitting the gym regularly without getting hurt or burning out, the closer you'll come to achieving the best you can.
9. Don't waste time with cardio. Do it if you like, for sure. But it doesn't burn all that many calories. Lift some more weights and burn more calories. You probably like lifting weights more than walking on a treadmill anyways. And if you must do cardio, do something productive. Cut the grass; go take a walk with your wife and talk to her; go run around with the kids; play a game of tennis with an old friend. Have a life for christ's sake.
10. Don't over-complicate it. When you get crazy with excel spreadsheets planning out your training and diet plans, you've gone too far. It's not rocket science. Consistency yields 99% of the results you're after. The rest is just mental masturbation. Own your shit.
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I'm pretty much in line with what No One and Gal say.
These are my principles:
1. don't cheat on the diet. If you get X amount of calories, then only eat that. Cheating because you think you need to top up the tank with more calories is bullshit justification for weakness. Suffer and get there. Do or do not.
2. the amount of meals you eat isn't really relevant. 'It's calories in vs calories out. Eat them all at once, or space it out and eat 20 meals a day if you like. It won't matter. The body is a marvelous machine that will adapt to absorb what it needs to survive and thrive. And when you're dieting, your body wants to survive. It will preserve muscle and shed fat. That's why your body has fat in the first place...to keep you alive when you starve.
3. do it quick. Don't pussy foot around. Do the job, get in and get out. Focus on the goal, and get to point A from point B as fast as you can reasonably do it. Diet as quickly as you can. Humans wane in their passion for long-term goals - that is the inevitability of human nature. Appreciate this; set a lofty goal and chase it down with all of your passion and power.
4. food choices don't matter for physique composition. Now, some guys like typical bb'ing foods because it keeps them regimented and it's easy to plan and cook. This is a mental choice...not a physical one. Some guys like different foods because it allows them to taste foods they like and they feel they can control caloric intake even if they eat non-traditional foods (like TA). If you can be disciplined in this approach, great. If not, then just pick a dozen food sources and stick to them. It really doesn't matter physically. What matters is that you can stick to it, and not deviate. That is the best plan. You know your weaknesses and triggers best. Choose the approach that allows you to master your triggers that cause you to deviate. Some guys can't eat just a few potato chips or a small bowl of ice cream or a single bottle of beer without going hog wild -- for you guys, eat bb'ing foods. For those of you who find that little tastes of non-traditional bb'ing foods allows you to hold to a steady caloric intake, then do it. This is purely an emotional and mental issue...it will not affect physique composition to any material extent. Stop convincing yourself otherwise and open up to new ways of thinking.
5. You don't need 500g of protein per day. You might like eating that much, but you don't need that much. Stop rationalizing your thought processes. Test yourself and see what happens. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
6. There are no "bad foods". There is only too much, or not enough. Not enough, and you lose fat. Too much, and you gain fat.
7. Live life. Bodybuilding should complement your life, not run it. Be a human. Enjoy all that humanity has to offer. Don't ostracize yourself from friends and family because your tupperware won't travel. Is that really "living"? Is your end goal really to be a slave to the Foreman grill and a tupperware container?
8. Training doesn't matter all that much, in terms of what program you're doing. Your body will develop to its potential as long as you are consistently in the gym. Ergo, choose programs that allow you to consistently hit the gym. Don't lift stupid and get injured. Don't burn out on ridiculously long or intense programs. Don't get bored with training. Change it up not to shock the muscles (that's pretty stupid); change it up to keep you interested. The more consistent you are with hitting the gym regularly without getting hurt or burning out, the closer you'll come to achieving the best you can.
9. Don't waste time with cardio. Do it if you like, for sure. But it doesn't burn all that many calories. Lift some more weights and burn more calories. You probably like lifting weights more than walking on a treadmill anyways. And if you must do cardio, do something productive. Cut the grass; go take a walk with your wife and talk to her; go run around with the kids; play a game of tennis with an old friend. Have a life for christ's sake.
10. Don't over-complicate it. When you get crazy with excel spreadsheets planning out your training and diet plans, you've gone too far. It's not rocket science. Consistency yields 99% of the results you're after. The rest is just mental masturbation. Own your shit.
Should be a Sticky.
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Should be a Sticky.
Thanks TA. Your ideas have inspired me and help me direct an approach that works for me. I'd like more people to give your ideas a shot, though I fear most won't. It's their loss and that's too bad.
But, I think more people everyday are starting to understand the wisdom in a balanced approach.
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Thanks TA. Your ideas have inspired me and help me direct an approach that works for me. I'd like more people to give your ideas a shot, though I fear most won't. It's their loss and that's too bad.
But, I think more people everyday are starting to understand the wisdom in a balanced approach.
I appreciate the kind words. Old myths die hard and I doubt they will ever die completely. Even in mainstream America, losing weight (even without regard to body composition) is still a mystery to the majority.
I have told people face to face what I eat, sat in front of people as they watch me Pizza, Cake, whatever and those same people still deny that it happens. They go on as if I eat some special diet and avoid foods despite me TELLING them otherwise and them SEEING it for their own eyes. Their brain fails to process it and they have this epic look of disbelief on their faces as if they have been had. "Oh you probably don`t eat Fast Food" (WTF, you saw just saw me eating a Whopper and Cheese and French Fries a few days ago) Its the strangest thing I tell you. I really don`t know how to deal with such stupidity honestly. :D
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Galeniko super smart makes great posts
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I'm pretty much in line with what No One and Gal say.
These are my principles:
1. don't cheat on the diet. If you get X amount of calories, then only eat that. Cheating because you think you need to top up the tank with more calories is bullshit justification for weakness. Suffer and get there. Do or do not.
2. the amount of meals you eat isn't really relevant. 'It's calories in vs calories out. Eat them all at once, or space it out and eat 20 meals a day if you like. It won't matter. The body is a marvelous machine that will adapt to absorb what it needs to survive and thrive. And when you're dieting, your body wants to survive. It will preserve muscle and shed fat. That's why your body has fat in the first place...to keep you alive when you starve.
3. do it quick. Don't pussy foot around. Do the job, get in and get out. Focus on the goal, and get to point A from point B as fast as you can reasonably do it. Diet as quickly as you can. Humans wane in their passion for long-term goals - that is the inevitability of human nature. Appreciate this; set a lofty goal and chase it down with all of your passion and power.
4. food choices don't matter for physique composition. Now, some guys like typical bb'ing foods because it keeps them regimented and it's easy to plan and cook. This is a mental choice...not a physical one. Some guys like different foods because it allows them to taste foods they like and they feel they can control caloric intake even if they eat non-traditional foods (like TA). If you can be disciplined in this approach, great. If not, then just pick a dozen food sources and stick to them. It really doesn't matter physically. What matters is that you can stick to it, and not deviate. That is the best plan. You know your weaknesses and triggers best. Choose the approach that allows you to master your triggers that cause you to deviate. Some guys can't eat just a few potato chips or a small bowl of ice cream or a single bottle of beer without going hog wild -- for you guys, eat bb'ing foods. For those of you who find that little tastes of non-traditional bb'ing foods allows you to hold to a steady caloric intake, then do it. This is purely an emotional and mental issue...it will not affect physique composition to any material extent. Stop convincing yourself otherwise and open up to new ways of thinking.
5. You don't need 500g of protein per day. You might like eating that much, but you don't need that much. Stop rationalizing your thought processes. Test yourself and see what happens. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
6. There are no "bad foods". There is only too much, or not enough. Not enough, and you lose fat. Too much, and you gain fat.
7. Live life. Bodybuilding should complement your life, not run it. Be a human. Enjoy all that humanity has to offer. Don't ostracize yourself from friends and family because your tupperware won't travel. Is that really "living"? Is your end goal really to be a slave to the Foreman grill and a tupperware container?
8. Training doesn't matter all that much, in terms of what program you're doing. Your body will develop to its potential as long as you are consistently in the gym. Ergo, choose programs that allow you to consistently hit the gym. Don't lift stupid and get injured. Don't burn out on ridiculously long or intense programs. Don't get bored with training. Change it up not to shock the muscles (that's pretty stupid); change it up to keep you interested. The more consistent you are with hitting the gym regularly without getting hurt or burning out, the closer you'll come to achieving the best you can.
9. Don't waste time with cardio. Do it if you like, for sure. But it doesn't burn all that many calories. Lift some more weights and burn more calories. You probably like lifting weights more than walking on a treadmill anyways. And if you must do cardio, do something productive. Cut the grass; go take a walk with your wife and talk to her; go run around with the kids; play a game of tennis with an old friend. Have a life for christ's sake.
10. Don't over-complicate it. When you get crazy with excel spreadsheets planning out your training and diet plans, you've gone too far. It's not rocket science. Consistency yields 99% of the results you're after. The rest is just mental masturbation. Own your shit.
This is one brilliant post that would have literally changed so much about my life if I had read it 10 years ago, lol... especially point 4, very well said.
btw, snx, your earlier post about the greek salad inspired me to make a caesar salad tonight. it was incredible, and basically no carbs... i ate a full bag of greens it was so good -- whopping 45 cals lol (and i usually never eat vegetables) :o
the funny thing is that i'm actually hungrier after i ate it than before... i've only had a tiny bit of pork and a red potato or two along with several carrots the whole day, but somehow still wasn't hungry 8 or so hours later. finally a little hunger kicked in, and after an hour or so i decided not to push it too far (since i seem to be getting sick or sth wtf), and made the salad.
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Iris Kyle
She does not eat carbs and she does two hours of cardio every day
She starves she suffers she is miserable
Galeniko was right
what the fuck for? you don't need to do that shit to be fucking ripped
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If some one with DNA and PED of Iris Kyle uses this to get super shredded, then I think that says some thing it says a lot
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She starves she suffers she is miserable
daft bitch.
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If some one with DNA and PED of Iris Kyle uses this to get super shredded, then I think that says some thing it says a lot
just because she does it, that doesn't mean that it's required
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being skinny and looking like her are two different animals
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hangclean did you get striated glutes like cswole got visible abs?
haha, times have changed,man, since the cswol-gate fiasco, every claim is useless without pics
lol@rebound, rebound happens if you get back to eating like a pig.
i have been in the same shape for 2years+ straight, ho comes there was no rebound.and i had monstrously big meals of pure junk quite often
ah i see he means when people come off of the diet, well, thats been covered how to maintain the conditioning, the point here isnt just to get lean, but to be so permanently
Here you go.....I dieted for 12 weeks for this show, never went below 200 grams of carbs a day. Fat was extremely low the entire time (only fats came from turkey, chicken fish, lean red meat).
Every time I've tried the very low carb approach, I look like shit (flat, muscles don't "pop".
Maybe your body is better at using only protein for energy....I dont know. Either way, it's obviously working for you, but i do not believe that kind of diet is for everyone.
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Here you go.....I dieted for 12 weeks for this show, never went below 200 grams of carbs a day. Fat was extremely low the entire time (only fats came from turkey, chicken fish, lean red meat).
Every time I've tried the very low carb approach, I look like shit (flat, muscles don't "pop".
Maybe your body is better at using only protein for energy....I dont know. Either way, it's obviously working for you, but i do not believe that kind of diet is for everyone.
props to you bro.
Now about the carbs making you look flat, you do realize that you are suppose to carb up for the contest right? :D
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just because she does it, that doesn't mean that it's required
no friend i think you're wrong on this one
watch her training videos she says that what seperates miss olympia from 5-6 place miss olympia is the shreddedness and detail of the lower body
she says women carry a lot of estrogen and it's very very hard to make the glutes come in shredded
that video was educational, with bob chic also commenting and iris husband talking about how to get big
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no friend i think you're wrong on this one
watch her training videos she says that what seperates miss olympia from 5-6 place miss olympia is the shreddedness and detail of the lower body
she says women carry a lot of estrogen and it's very very hard to make the glutes come in shredded
that video was educational, with bob chic also commenting and iris husband talking about how to get big
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could be
maybe it's just all genetics
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I'm pretty much in line with what No One and Gal say.
These are my principles:
1. don't cheat on the diet. If you get X amount of calories, then only eat that. Cheating because you think you need to top up the tank with more calories is bullshit justification for weakness. Suffer and get there. Do or do not.
2. the amount of meals you eat isn't really relevant. 'It's calories in vs calories out. Eat them all at once, or space it out and eat 20 meals a day if you like. It won't matter. The body is a marvelous machine that will adapt to absorb what it needs to survive and thrive. And when you're dieting, your body wants to survive. It will preserve muscle and shed fat. That's why your body has fat in the first place...to keep you alive when you starve.
3. do it quick. Don't pussy foot around. Do the job, get in and get out. Focus on the goal, and get to point A from point B as fast as you can reasonably do it. Diet as quickly as you can. Humans wane in their passion for long-term goals - that is the inevitability of human nature. Appreciate this; set a lofty goal and chase it down with all of your passion and power.
4. food choices don't matter for physique composition. Now, some guys like typical bb'ing foods because it keeps them regimented and it's easy to plan and cook. This is a mental choice...not a physical one. Some guys like different foods because it allows them to taste foods they like and they feel they can control caloric intake even if they eat non-traditional foods (like TA). If you can be disciplined in this approach, great. If not, then just pick a dozen food sources and stick to them. It really doesn't matter physically. What matters is that you can stick to it, and not deviate. That is the best plan. You know your weaknesses and triggers best. Choose the approach that allows you to master your triggers that cause you to deviate. Some guys can't eat just a few potato chips or a small bowl of ice cream or a single bottle of beer without going hog wild -- for you guys, eat bb'ing foods. For those of you who find that little tastes of non-traditional bb'ing foods allows you to hold to a steady caloric intake, then do it. This is purely an emotional and mental issue...it will not affect physique composition to any material extent. Stop convincing yourself otherwise and open up to new ways of thinking.
5. You don't need 500g of protein per day. You might like eating that much, but you don't need that much. Stop rationalizing your thought processes. Test yourself and see what happens. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
6. There are no "bad foods". There is only too much, or not enough. Not enough, and you lose fat. Too much, and you gain fat.
7. Live life. Bodybuilding should complement your life, not run it. Be a human. Enjoy all that humanity has to offer. Don't ostracize yourself from friends and family because your tupperware won't travel. Is that really "living"? Is your end goal really to be a slave to the Foreman grill and a tupperware container?
8. Training doesn't matter all that much, in terms of what program you're doing. Your body will develop to its potential as long as you are consistently in the gym. Ergo, choose programs that allow you to consistently hit the gym. Don't lift stupid and get injured. Don't burn out on ridiculously long or intense programs. Don't get bored with training. Change it up not to shock the muscles (that's pretty stupid); change it up to keep you interested. The more consistent you are with hitting the gym regularly without getting hurt or burning out, the closer you'll come to achieving the best you can.
9. Don't waste time with cardio. Do it if you like, for sure. But it doesn't burn all that many calories. Lift some more weights and burn more calories. You probably like lifting weights more than walking on a treadmill anyways. And if you must do cardio, do something productive. Cut the grass; go take a walk with your wife and talk to her; go run around with the kids; play a game of tennis with an old friend. Have a life for christ's sake.
10. Don't over-complicate it. When you get crazy with excel spreadsheets planning out your training and diet plans, you've gone too far. It's not rocket science. Consistency yields 99% of the results you're after. The rest is just mental masturbation. Own your shit.
Solid post. Thanks.
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I think the object of "long diets" are not to "get abs" but to hone the abs that show. Most Lifetime Naturals who do high Calories can already see their abs are are just shaving off a few points of bodyfat here and there.
That works as well though even if higher bodyfat and abs cannot be seen.
The bottom line for any approach is this:
1. CALORIC DEFICIT (high or low works)
2. FOOD CHOICES DO NOT really matter as long as Nutritional Amount is met with whatever diet you are following- (can be high protein, moderate protein, low protein, high fat, low fat, moderate fat, High Carb, Low Carb, Moderate Carb and any combination thereof.) (the Minimum RDA will be met with most diets anyways by default so Nutrients are taken care for the most part by any approach)
3. STICK WITH WHATEVER APPROACH TO THE END- No matter what type of Diet you choose. Changing horses in Mid Stream will only make it harder to get across the river.
many natural not natural,, long diet hide hormona utilizastion,, grow into comp,, this big reason 1/2 yearf diet
of course also many too fat when start,, or never if new comprertior not realize amount of fat to lose,,
also more week can be more money to preparation guru
also just mentasl illness,, gotta live bobyduling lifestyule for many many week
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laim norlom look shit except comp,, long prep give him time for hormona up muscle mass,, he lie it same mass as offseason,, offseason fat, end product hormona product not just offseason minus fat,,
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Best thread goin. Thanks to all that contribute.
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I'm pretty much in line with what No One and Gal say.
These are my principles:
1. don't cheat on the diet. If you get X amount of calories, then only eat that. Cheating because you think you need to top up the tank with more calories is bullshit justification for weakness. Suffer and get there. Do or do not.
2. the amount of meals you eat isn't really relevant. 'It's calories in vs calories out. Eat them all at once, or space it out and eat 20 meals a day if you like. It won't matter. The body is a marvelous machine that will adapt to absorb what it needs to survive and thrive. And when you're dieting, your body wants to survive. It will preserve muscle and shed fat. That's why your body has fat in the first place...to keep you alive when you starve.
3. do it quick. Don't pussy foot around. Do the job, get in and get out. Focus on the goal, and get to point A from point B as fast as you can reasonably do it. Diet as quickly as you can. Humans wane in their passion for long-term goals - that is the inevitability of human nature. Appreciate this; set a lofty goal and chase it down with all of your passion and power.
4. food choices don't matter for physique composition. Now, some guys like typical bb'ing foods because it keeps them regimented and it's easy to plan and cook. This is a mental choice...not a physical one. Some guys like different foods because it allows them to taste foods they like and they feel they can control caloric intake even if they eat non-traditional foods (like TA). If you can be disciplined in this approach, great. If not, then just pick a dozen food sources and stick to them. It really doesn't matter physically. What matters is that you can stick to it, and not deviate. That is the best plan. You know your weaknesses and triggers best. Choose the approach that allows you to master your triggers that cause you to deviate. Some guys can't eat just a few potato chips or a small bowl of ice cream or a single bottle of beer without going hog wild -- for you guys, eat bb'ing foods. For those of you who find that little tastes of non-traditional bb'ing foods allows you to hold to a steady caloric intake, then do it. This is purely an emotional and mental issue...it will not affect physique composition to any material extent. Stop convincing yourself otherwise and open up to new ways of thinking.
5. You don't need 500g of protein per day. You might like eating that much, but you don't need that much. Stop rationalizing your thought processes. Test yourself and see what happens. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
6. There are no "bad foods". There is only too much, or not enough. Not enough, and you lose fat. Too much, and you gain fat.
7. Live life. Bodybuilding should complement your life, not run it. Be a human. Enjoy all that humanity has to offer. Don't ostracize yourself from friends and family because your tupperware won't travel. Is that really "living"? Is your end goal really to be a slave to the Foreman grill and a tupperware container?
8. Training doesn't matter all that much, in terms of what program you're doing. Your body will develop to its potential as long as you are consistently in the gym. Ergo, choose programs that allow you to consistently hit the gym. Don't lift stupid and get injured. Don't burn out on ridiculously long or intense programs. Don't get bored with training. Change it up not to shock the muscles (that's pretty stupid); change it up to keep you interested. The more consistent you are with hitting the gym regularly without getting hurt or burning out, the closer you'll come to achieving the best you can.
9. Don't waste time with cardio. Do it if you like, for sure. But it doesn't burn all that many calories. Lift some more weights and burn more calories. You probably like lifting weights more than walking on a treadmill anyways. And if you must do cardio, do something productive. Cut the grass; go take a walk with your wife and talk to her; go run around with the kids; play a game of tennis with an old friend. Have a life for christ's sake.
10. Don't over-complicate it. When you get crazy with excel spreadsheets planning out your training and diet plans, you've gone too far. It's not rocket science. Consistency yields 99% of the results you're after. The rest is just mental masturbation. Own your shit.
A + my friend A+!!!,, this amazing posty, truly amazing,, you write good,,
now you ready to be guru and start website or blog,,, just kiddin :D
A+!
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Depends on a few things.
First, I have never seen a deadlift picture or video of you so I am not sure what you can do.
Second, are we talking Power to Weight or Total Weight? If you weigh 250 lbs and are only deadlifting 600 thats the equivalent of me doing 425 for reps- Quite easy to do.
Lol
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Galeniko would be one of the first posters I'd try to get to write for me should I start an article site
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If you intend to eat mainly protein and a few fibrous carbs then its going to be very difficult to eat enough food without getting to the point were you having way to much protein.
If you have a BMR of 2500 for example and you need to drop weight then you can cut back to 2000 cals and lose, agreed?
So now you would be eating around 1600-1700 cals of protein which equates to around 400 grams of protein, if you weigh 175 lbs isn't that a little excessive?
The main reason this diet works isn't because its a pure protein diet its because you would end up basically eating hardly anything at all because you couldn't stomach all the protein.
Oh and if you did this diet drug free you would very quickly disappear.
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That post was epic snx, I agreed 100% with almost everything you said there bro.
Adam, Gal & snx making some epic posts in this thread. You could literally read a single one of them, and do away with the entire site bodybuilding.com, replacing it with that lol.
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HANGCLEAN NICE PIC,GOOD CALVES ,,,THICK LOOKING BUILD.GOOD POSTS HERE GALI REALLY BRING IT HERE AND ADAM SOME GOOD POINTS IN BETWEEN,SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY READING FULL POSTS BEFORE RESPONDING AND NOT A LINE HERE LINE THERE AND RESPONDING WITH NONSENSE,,,
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Just a thought
Wouldn't eating nothing at all and just downing amino acid supplements with water work better?
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props to you bro.
Now about the carbs making you look flat, you do realize that you are suppose to carb up for the contest right? :D
for some reason, when i go any extended amount of time without carbs my body does not respond as well to them and everything just gets out of whack.
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Just a thought
Wouldn't eating nothing at all and just downing amino acid supplements with water work better?
LOL,,GOOD THEORY,,NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLAN WHO COULD BE GUINEA PIG?
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Just a thought
Wouldn't eating nothing at all and just downing amino acid supplements with water work better?
it's kinda all speculative till someone does it.
you'll hear people say 'oh this will happen and that will happen' without even having tried it. at best it's an outside guess what would happen.
imo is it possible? prolly. but for what? if my maintenance is 3k cal at 240 7% and I'm taking in 800-1000 cals on my low days and still functioning well, and I'm in a 2k cal deficit I don't see the benefit in a total starvation scenario. like at some point you have to weight benefits vs cost. for me it's a positive trade off to do what I'm doing. I function very well. I fail to see how there'd be any possible benefit cutting out the remaining 800 cals going starvation. this is strictly a cost/benefit ratio I'm talking about.
picture driving your car 180 mikes an hour. you can squeeze another 30 mph out if it but is it worth blowing your block and all the costs associated with it for such a negligible increase in speed?
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it's kinda all speculative till someone does it.
you'll hear people say 'oh this will happen and that will happen' without even having tried it. at best it's an outside guess what would happen.
imo is it possible? prolly. but for what? if my maintenance is 3k cal at 240 7% and I'm taking in 800-1000 cals on my low days and still functioning well, and I'm in a 2k cal deficit I don't see the benefit in a total starvation scenario. like at some point you have to weight benefits vs cost. for me it's a positive trade off to do what I'm doing. I function very well. I fail to see how there'd be any possible benefit cutting out the remaining 800 cals going starvation. this is strictly a cost/benefit ratio I'm talking about.
picture driving your car 180 mikes an hour. you can squeeze another 30 mph out if it but is it worth blowing your block and all the costs associated with it for such a negligible increase in speed?
GOOD ANALOGY,,
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Just a thought
Wouldn't eating nothing at all and just downing amino acid supplements with water work better?
you should give it a shot!! Lol!
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Just a thought
Wouldn't eating nothing at all and just downing amino acid supplements with water work better?
Well (and this is the biochemistry undergrad background talking here), theoretically:
If the amino acids you took were pure essential amino acids, then theoretically, you could get away with eating less protein. Your body would use the EAA's to manufacture any non-essential AA's your body would need. Therefore, you wouldn't need as many calories from protein sources, since a few grams of EAA's can easily replace many grams of complete protein. Let's say the ratio is "one gram of EAAs replaces 5 grams of complete protein" (and don't take my science as exact here...I can't remember the ratio).
Then, theoretically, if you thought you needed 100 grams of protein per day to achieve your goals, you would only need 20 grams of EAA's to do the same thing. In which case, you could save yourselve from eating 80 grams of protein (the 5 to 1 ratio). And that amounts to 320 fewer calories you'd have to eat (80 grams x 4 calories/gram = 320 calories).
Now, that'd be a miserable existence. But you could do it, and I think the math would work and theoretically, it should work. But that would really need to be applied to see if it bears out.
In patients fed parenterally, it's not uncommon to dose with saline, glucose and EAAs. But that's in extreme cases.
Not sure why you'd do it, but it's worth a shot if you like experimenting. I'd love to study it, but I'd never do it myself. I like chewing food.
Now, there are reasons why it won't work.
You simply can't expect pure EAA's to replace a complete protein source. EAA's are just that: pure EAA's.
A piece of steak also contains creatine, essential and non-essential fats, minerals...there's just too much going on with a piece of food to compare it. I think in the long run, you'd probably wind up with micronutrient deficiencies, unless you made a concerted effort to get those micros from other food sources.
So theoretically, it's do-able. But in the real world, there's a good chance for malnutrition over the long-term, and general unhappiness and malaise in the short-term.
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If you intend to eat mainly protein and a few fibrous carbs then its going to be very difficult to eat enough food without getting to the point were you having way to much protein.
If you have a BMR of 2500 for example and you need to drop weight then you can cut back to 2000 cals and lose, agreed?
So now you would be eating around 1600-1700 cals of protein which equates to around 400 grams of protein, if you weigh 175 lbs isn't that a little excessive?
The main reason this diet works isn't because its a pure protein diet its because you would end up basically eating hardly anything at all because you couldn't stomach all the protein.
Oh and if you did this diet drug free you would very quickly disappear.
Any thoughts on this?
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Any thoughts on this?
i'm sure "no one" will tell me I am a complete idiot, but any diet where calories are drastically reduced will result in weight loss. Combined with steroids, the likelihood of retaining muscle is greater. There is no need to eliminate any macronutrients.......if the defecit is large enough, the results will come on quickly. The best part about dieting with carbs is you can actually consume less protein and get the same results....judging by your previous posts, you already know this.
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I've heard many times how guys could never diet on zero carbs or they would shrink. This has never been the case with me. Many years ago I had a bout 5 people in one show and this kid comes up to me after the show and wants me to train him. He said he heard how I dieted people and said he wanted me to train him for his next show, but there was no way he could do zero carb. He said he tried it before and shrunk up. I politely told him no. Few weeks later he asked again and I told him that he either did exactly what I told him or he could go else where and I said that if he wasn't following what I said that I would immediately know, so he agreed. After the first initial 10 pounds or so of water this kid was losing around 2.5 pounds of fat a week. He would eat carbs and fats on Sat only and normally put on about 11 pounds the next day. Even I was impressed at how lean this kid was getting every week. He was local so he came to my house on Fridays. By show time this kid was striated everywhere and placed third in the heavies weighing 205 and the first two guys out weighed him by 20 pounds. BTW, I've trained naturals the same way, they don't "need" carbs either.
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Any thoughts on this?
well no cause that is when the defecit sets the larger margin so you can lose in 8 weeks instead of '16 as you do'.
Also in your own words, it would be hard to eat a lot on this diet, is that not the point of a good diet, is one that allows you to eat tremendously but at the end of the day it only added to very little caloric wise.
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I've heard many times how guys could never diet on zero carbs or they would shrink. This has never been the case with me. Many years ago I had a bout 5 people in one show and this kid comes up to me after the show and wants me to train him. He said he heard how I dieted people and said he wanted me to train him for his next show, but there was no way he could do zero carb. He said he tried it before and shrunk up. I politely told him no. Few weeks later he asked again and I told him that he either did exactly what I told him or he could go else where and I said that if he wasn't following what I said that I would immediately know, so he agreed. After the first initial 10 pounds or so of water this kid was losing around 2.5 pounds of fat a week. He would eat carbs and fats on Sat only and normally put on about 11 pounds the next day. Even I was impressed at how lean this kid was getting every week. He was local so he came to my house on Fridays. By show time this kid was striated everywhere and placed third in the heavies weighing 205 and the first two guys out weighed him by 20 pounds. BTW, I've trained naturals the same way, they don't "need" carbs either.
do you ever have your clients diet on low fats, higher carb diets? I realize the no carb approach with weekly re-feeds works....I just wider if you have all your clients do basically the same thing.
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i'm sure "no one" will tell me I am a complete idiot, but any diet where calories are drastically reduced will result in weight loss. Combined with steroids, the likelihood of retaining muscle is greater. There is no need to eliminate any macronutrients.......if the defecit is large enough, the results will come on quickly. The best part about dieting with carbs is you can actually consume less protein and get the same results....judging by your previous posts, you already know this.
I explained the point over and over and it seems like we are going in circles with you. It is faster, never said better but it is faster. I can get shredded in 8 weeks instead of 12-15 and lose zero muscles and come show time be as full as a house.
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I've heard many times how guys could never diet on zero carbs or they would shrink. This has never been the case with me. Many years ago I had a bout 5 people in one show and this kid comes up to me after the show and wants me to train him. He said he heard how I dieted people and said he wanted me to train him for his next show, but there was no way he could do zero carb. He said he tried it before and shrunk up. I politely told him no. Few weeks later he asked again and I told him that he either did exactly what I told him or he could go else where and I said that if he wasn't following what I said that I would immediately know, so he agreed. After the first initial 10 pounds or so of water this kid was losing around 2.5 pounds of fat a week. He would eat carbs and fats on Sat only and normally put on about 11 pounds the next day. Even I was impressed at how lean this kid was getting every week. He was local so he came to my house on Fridays. By show time this kid was striated everywhere and placed third in the heavies weighing 205 and the first two guys out weighed him by 20 pounds. BTW, I've trained naturals the same way, they don't "need" carbs either.
Enjoy reading your posts Disgusted and you can back up everything you say with years of real life experience. And you don't try to impress with the complex guru bs that so many online try to do.
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I explained the point over and over and it seems like we are going in circles with you. It is faster, never said better but it is faster. I can get shredded in 8 weeks instead of 12-15 and lose zero muscles and come show time be as full as a house.
if the actual calories consumed are the same, but some are coming from carbs....the fat loss would happen at the same rate.
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do you ever have your clients diet on low fats, higher carb diets? I realize the no carb approach with weekly re-feeds works....I just wider if you have all your clients do basically the same thing.
Yes I have on rare occasions but mostly zero carbs.
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Yes I have on rare occasions but mostly zero carbs.
do you have them consume more fat than these guys on here are recommending?
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you know what? you guys are fucking dense.
this thread isn't about dieting on 2400 fucking cals or 1800 cals for that matter.
this thread WAS about what gal does to get lean.
now it's a fucking clusterfuck of 'advise' and 'opinion' that has nothing to do with the original intent of it.
good work. people were given the best way to the fastest results, period. with guys who do it and are will to help them do it. and now it's completely detailed into a hard to follow disaster that will only confuse people to anyone who's trying to follow it. good work stupids.
I recommend anyone wanting advise to follow hangclean and Adonis' 'methods'. let me know where you are in 6 weeks or 8 weeks. you'll soon see how great their 'diets' are.
up to gal if he wants to keep banging his head here but you can all kiss my 7% on my way to 5% in two more weeks pizza and ice cream eating ass.
1800-2400cal 'diet' bahahaha
has it ever occurred to you dummies that everyone diets that way? everyone who wants to get in shape does this range right? and I bet you see people eveywhere all ripped to shit don't you. wait. you don't. wow. shocker. wake up and smell the fucking coffee.
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Also in your own words, it would be hard to eat a lot on this diet, is that not the point of a good diet, is one that allows you to eat tremendously but at the end of the day it only added to very little caloric wise.
But thats just it, you are not eating "tremendously", you are unable to eat tremendously because you would feel physically sick and your appetite diminishes.
If you can stand the feeling of being hungry without pigging out theres no reason at all that you cant eat carbs.
Eating protein and carbs along with a dose of ephedrine in the morning will gain you exactly the same results without stressing your kidneys will the excess protein.
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do you have them consume more fat than these guys on here are recommending?
Fats come from eggs and meat mostly. Have them start with 80% lean beef and a nice rib eye on occasion. Not sure what the other guys are saying haven't read all of the thread.
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now it's a fucking clusterfuck of 'advise' and 'opinion' that has nothing to do with the original intent of it.
So my advice to get ripped is take loads of gear 3 grams of whizz and a tub of aminos a day and a salad.
Cant go wrong guys, its not up for discussion. ::)
Forum threads are for opinions.
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That's why i mainly stick to trolling. Less time consuming, and way more fun.
Fuck helping people, because people will only help themselves when they're ready.
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But thats just it, you are not eating "tremendously", you are unable to eat tremendously because you would feel physically sick and your appetite diminishes.
If you can stand the feeling of being hungry without pigging out theres no reason at all that you cant eat carbs.
Eating protein and carbs along with a dose of ephedrine in the morning will gain you exactly the same results without stressing your kidneys will the excess protein.
We have a winner, A DIMINISHED APPETITE IS A DREAM FOR SOMEONE WHO DIETS.
AND FOR THE GOD DAM 100TH TIME, the point that you keep saying ''there is no point'' is that is faster, FASTER, F A S T E R, THAT IS THE POINT WOW, NEXT TIME YOU SAY THERE IS NO POINT, REMEMBER IT IS FASTER
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you know what? you guys are fucking dense.
this thread isn't about dieting on 2400 fucking cals or 1800 cals for that matter.
this thread WAS about what gal does to get lean.
now it's a fucking clusterfuck of 'advise' and 'opinion' that has nothing to do with the original intent of it.
good work. people were given the best way to the fastest results, period. with guys who do it and are will to help them do it. and now it's completely detailed into a hard to follow disaster that will only confuse people to anyone who's trying to follow it. good work stupids.
I recommend anyone wanting advise to follow hangclean and Adonis' 'methods'. let me know where you are in 6 weeks or 8 weeks. you'll soon see how great their 'diets' are.
up to gal if he wants to keep banging his head here but you can all kiss my 7% on my way to 5% in two more weeks pizza and ice cream eating ass.
1800-2400cal 'diet' bahahaha
has it ever occurred to you dummies that everyone diets that way? everyone who wants to get in shape does this range right? and I bet you see people eveywhere all ripped to shit don't you. wait. you don't. wow. shocker. wake up and smell the fucking coffee.
I am simply offering another option that works just as fast. Go look at the pic I posted....I never counted calories for that prep....I only made sure my fats were low and I did not go over 200 grams of carbs. Most calls were from lean protein.......starting weight was 260....227 at weigh ins....12 weeks. If I wanted to do it in 8 , I would have eaten 150 grams of carbs a day. No need to eliminate carbs completely.
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if the actual calories consumed are the same, but some are coming from carbs....the fat loss would happen at the same rate.
WELL DUH, but if you go as low as galeniko there is no room for carbs and the calories won't be the same,
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Take steroids, lift weights, eat food, you can cheat a ton on your diet because of the steroids=
getting lean and ripped or getting big and ripped.
...there is a nice summary nice so now the mods can lock this thread :)
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WELL DUH, but if you go as low as galeniko there is no room for carbs and the calories won't be the same,
substitute some of the protein for carbs. They have the same amount of calories per gram.
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you know what? you guys are fucking dense.
this thread isn't about dieting on 2400 fucking cals or 1800 cals for that matter.
this thread WAS about what gal does to get lean.
now it's a fucking clusterfuck of 'advise' and 'opinion' that has nothing to do with the original intent of it.
good work. people were given the best way to the fastest results, period. with guys who do it and are will to help them do it. and now it's completely detailed into a hard to follow disaster that will only confuse people to anyone who's trying to follow it. good work stupids.
I recommend anyone wanting advise to follow hangclean and Adonis' 'methods'. let me know where you are in 6 weeks or 8 weeks. you'll soon see how great their 'diets' are.
up to gal if he wants to keep banging his head here but you can all kiss my 7% on my way to 5% in two more weeks pizza and ice cream eating ass.
1800-2400cal 'diet' bahahaha
has it ever occurred to you dummies that everyone diets that way? everyone who wants to get in shape does this range right? and I bet you see people eveywhere all ripped to shit don't you. wait. you don't. wow. shocker. wake up and smell the fucking coffee.
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You did see the pictures of Eric, Alberto Nunez and others right?
I`d say that caloric range is optimal for lifetime naturals looking to go below 5 percent even.
As far as 6-8 weeks. That all depends on where you are when you start. Eric got down to 3-5 percent in 8 weeks and maintained it for three shows straight for a few months on end easily. He even increased his carbs and calories as time went on.
If someone 300 lbs did the Zero Carb thing, he wouldn`t be ripped in 6-8 weeks either. If someone 20 percent bodyfat did the 6-8 week Zero Carb thing, he wouldn`t be ripped either. So I fail to see your point of what can be accomplished in 6-8 weeks. Its all going to vary depending on where you are starting from.
Also, Disgusted uses a similar approach to the no carb and zero carb approach and the weight loss his clients get (1-2.5 lbs of weight loss per week as per his posts) are the same of any diet really.
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WELL DUH, but if you go as low as galeniko there is no room for carbs and the calories won't be the same,
well if you eat 200 grams of protein then thats enough to maintain muscle on anyone, that adds up to 800 cals, so there is plenty room for carbs and you can still stay in deficit.
AND FOR THE GOD DAM 100TH TIME, the point that you keep saying ''there is no point'' is that is faster, FASTER, F A S T E R, THAT IS THE POINT WOW, NEXT TIME YOU SAY THERE IS NO POINT, REMEMBER IT IS FASTER
And I know its fast, but its faster to smoke a crack pipe and eat fuck all.
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you know what? you guys are fucking dense.
this thread isn't about dieting on 2400 fucking cals or 1800 cals for that matter.
this thread WAS about what gal does to get lean.
now it's a fucking clusterfuck of 'advise' and 'opinion' that has nothing to do with the original intent of it.
good work. people were given the best way to the fastest results, period. with guys who do it and are will to help them do it. and now it's completely detailed into a hard to follow disaster that will only confuse people to anyone who's trying to follow it. good work stupids.
I recommend anyone wanting advise to follow hangclean and Adonis' 'methods'. let me know where you are in 6 weeks or 8 weeks. you'll soon see how great their 'diets' are.
up to gal if he wants to keep banging his head here but you can all kiss my 7% on my way to 5% in two more weeks pizza and ice cream eating ass.
1800-2400cal 'diet' bahahaha
has it ever occurred to you dummies that everyone diets that way? everyone who wants to get in shape does this range right? and I bet you see people eveywhere all ripped to shit don't you. wait. you don't. wow. shocker. wake up and smell the fucking coffee.
I also recall many people doing the Atkins diet craze in the early 2000s to mid 2000s and I rarely saw anyone ripped as well. Atkins Diet is essentially the same thing, Zero Carbs, Protein Heavy diet,low calories.
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I have been following a loose 2000-2400 kcal/day schedule of high protein, low-fat with hardly any cheat days for about a year and a half. The fat loss was pretty slow, but I wasn't in a real hurry. Over that period, I dropped about 40 pounds (245->205).
Over that time, I never felt like I was hungry at all. I think that I am pretty good being "hungry" in that I can more or less function fine, train fine and don't snap at co-workers or family. Lately, I have dropped down to about 1800-2200 kcal/day and still feel fine, but I am seriously considering dropping down to 1500 kcals/day for a few weeks to see how I feel. That would probably be about 1300 kcal/day below my expenditure, which is (check my math) about 1/3 pound fat/day or 2.25 pounds per week.
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I have been following a loose 2000-2400 kcal/day schedule of high protein, low-fat with hardly any cheat days for about a year and a half. The fat loss was pretty slow, but I wasn't in a real hurry. Over that period, I dropped about 40 pounds (245->205).
Over that time, I never felt like I was hungry at all. I think that I am pretty good being "hungry" in that I can more or less function fine, train fine and don't snap at co-workers or family. Lately, I have dropped down to about 1800-2200 kcal/day and still feel fine, but I am seriously considering dropping down to 1500 kcals/day for a few weeks to see how I feel. That would probably be about 1300 kcal/day below my expenditure, which is (check my math) about 1/3 pound fat/day or 2.25 pounds per week.
Caloric range between 1200-1600cals will not hinder your ability to function or train that much. It's actually not that steep of a caloric cut.
Once you go 1kcal and below, then life gets challenging.
Consumption of stimulants will help alot as previously mentioned in this thread.
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Caloric range between 1200-1600cals will not hinder your ability to function or train that much. It's actually not that steep of a caloric cut.
Once you go 1kcal and below, then life gets challenging.
Consumption of stimulants will help alot as previously mentioned in this thread.
Yes, but at some point south of 1500 my wife starts to consider me "psycho" about my diet and all that entails...
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Fats come from eggs and meat mostly. Have them start with 80% lean beef and a nice rib eye on occasion. Not sure what the other guys are saying haven't read all of the thread.
they are recommending a diet extremely low in fats and carbs....basically just lean protein and greens. I can't imagine the need to do this unless you are 3 weeks out and behind in your prep.
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ok fair enough, some ppl do better on diets with carbs.
and btw epic posting pic of someone else ;D
you look brutal, respect, but the things here was how to lose bodyfat the fastest way, ofc other isdea are welcome too, but the matter wasnt whether someone will lose bit strenght or endurance, but just how to get rid of the fat asap.
and how to maintain very lean condition, not sure how close to that pic you stay year round.
thank you.
My only concern in having visible abs in the off-season....Have no desire to stay shredded all the time, as i do actually want to get bigger. Different strokes for different folks....All the different approaches to fat loss is actually a fascinating topic to me. One thing I have learned is that no matter how you do it.... you are going to be hungry most of the time if you are doing it right.
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thank you very much, see we get to agree on it.
you made an very important observation,no matter what, the body will have to be in pretty much permanent starving state most of the time, theres no easy way around, and too big meals ortoo much calorie dense foods or too much calories period simply stall the process, but if one avoids that,it kinda flows by itself,just have to remain mentaly calm.
and would you agree that esptowards the end,6% and lower, itbecomes hell either way.
fair enough if youre going for more size cool, i dont ,am happy with what i got, plus minus the couple lbs i gain when im not dieting.i find it very hard to get back to shredded,so i rather stay right around that conditioning at any time, most ppl have very hard time to get shredded,thats why most onlypull it off once a year or every other year or maybe even just once in lifetime.
i dont like giving it away afterwards quickly, and its not like one cant eat the most tasty things out there once hes there :D
Getting below 6% is when you start waking up in the middle of the night starving. Another thing is when i get this lean I wake up to piss every 20 minutes.
The issue a lot of people have after a show is that the body is primed for both muscle gain and unfortunately, fat gain. after being in a calorie defecit for 8-16 weeks (however long you diet) your body tends to store fat much easier and this is worse if the person was ever fat to begin with (which unfortunately, I was) due to existing fat cells. I found that if i eat whatever I want only once a week (works better if it's a leg day) I can keep fat gain to a minimun....but i sure as shit am not going to stay anywhere as lean as I am on stage!
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I have been following a loose 2000-2400 kcal/day schedule of high protein, low-fat with hardly any cheat days for about a year and a half. The fat loss was pretty slow, but I wasn't in a real hurry. Over that period, I dropped about 40 pounds (245->205).
Over that time, I never felt like I was hungry at all. I think that I am pretty good being "hungry" in that I can more or less function fine, train fine and don't snap at co-workers or family. Lately, I have dropped down to about 1800-2200 kcal/day and still feel fine, but I am seriously considering dropping down to 1500 kcals/day for a few weeks to see how I feel. That would probably be about 1300 kcal/day below my expenditure, which is (check my math) about 1/3 pound fat/day or 2.25 pounds per week.
You might want to read up on the Minnesota Starvation Experiment from World War II in which they starved participants on 1500 calories and documented the effects before you engage in such methods.
(http://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/the-great-starvation-experiment/image_mini)
Goals and methods
The primary objective of the Minnesota Starvation Experiment was to study in detail the physical and psychological effects of prolonged, famine-like semi-starvation on healthy men, as well as their subsequent rehabilitation from this condition. To achieve these goals, the 12-month study was divided into four distinct phases:
Control Period (12 weeks): This was a standardization period when the subjects received a controlled diet of approximately 3,200 calories of food each day. The diet of the subjects who were close to their “ideal” weight was adjusted so as to maintain caloric balance, while the diets of the underweight and overweight individuals was adjusted so as to bring them close to their ideal weight. On average, the group ended up slightly below their “ideal” weight.[2]:74 In addition, the clinical staff of the Laboratory of Physiological Hygiene routinely conducted a series of anthropometric, physiological and psychological tests designed to characterize the physical and mental health of each participant under normal conditions.
Semi-Starvation Period (24 weeks): During the 6-month semi-starvation period, each subject’s dietary intake was cut to approximately 1,560 calories per day. Their meals were composed of foods that were expected to typify the diets of people in Europe during the latter stages of the war: potatoes, rutabagas, turnips, bread and macaroni.
Restricted Rehabilitation Period (12 weeks): The participants were divided into four groups of eight men; each group received a strictly-controlled rehabilitation diet, consisting of one of four different caloric energy levels. In each energy-level group, the men were further subdivided into subgroups receiving differing protein and vitamin supplements regimes. In this manner, the clinical staff examined various energy, protein and vitamin strategies for re-nourishing the subjects from the conditions of famine induced during the semi-starvation period.
Unrestricted Rehabilitation Period (8 weeks): For the final rehabilitation period, caloric intake and food content was unrestricted but carefully recorded and monitored.
During the starvation period, the subjects received two meals per day designed to induce the same level of nutritional stress for each participant. Since each subject had distinct metabolic characteristics, the diet of each man was adjusted throughout the starvation period to produce roughly a 25% total weight loss over the 24-week period.
The researchers tracked each subject's weight as a function of time elapsed since the beginning of the starvation period. For each subject, the weight versus time plot was expected—as well as enforced—to form a particular curve, the prediction weight-loss curve, whose characteristics were decided prior to the commencement of the experiment. The postulated curves turned out to be quite predictive for most subjects. If a subject did veer off his curve in any given week, his caloric intake for the next week would be adjusted, by varying the amount of bread and potatoes, to bring him back to the curve; however, the required adjustments were usually minor.[2]:75 The shapes of the curves were chosen “based on the concept that the rate of weight loss would progressively decrease and reach a relative plateau” at the final weight.[2]:74
For each subject, the weight vs. time curve was taken to be quadratic in time (in fact, an upward-opening parabola) with the minimum located at 24 weeks, at which point the weight is supposed to be equal to the final target body weight (the minimum is where the curve has zero slope; this corresponds to the “plateau” mentioned above). Mathematically, this means that the curve for each subject was given by
W(t)=W_{f}+K\, (24-t)^{2},
where t is the time (measured in weeks) elapsed since the beginning of the starvation period, W(t) is the subject’s weight at time t, and W_{f} is the final weight that the subject was supposed to reach at the end of the 24-week period. The constant K is determined by the requirement that W(t=0) be the initial weight W_{i}, i.e. by solving
W_{i}=W_{f}+K\, (24-0)^{2}
for K; this gives
K=\frac{W_{i}-W_{f}}{24^{2}}.
The authors expressed this in terms of the percent total weight loss P,
P=100 \times \frac{W_{i}-W_{f}}{W_{i}}
(which, as stated above, was supposed to be about 25% for all subjects), obtaining
K=\frac{P}{100 \times 24^{2}}\,W_{i}.
Throughout the duration of the study each man was assigned specific work tasks, was expected to walk 22 miles each week and required to keep a personal diary.[4] An extensive battery of tests was periodically administered, including the collection of metabolic and physical measurements; X-ray examinations; treadmill performance; and intelligence and psychological evaluation.
Results
The full report of results from the Minnesota Starvation Experiment was published in 1950 in a two-volume, 1,385 page text entitled The Biology of Human Starvation (University of Minnesota Press). The 50-chapter work contains an extensive analysis of the physiological and psychological data collected during the study, and a comprehensive literature review.
Among the conclusions from the study was the confirmation that prolonged semi-starvation produces significant increases in depression, hysteria and hypochondriasis as measured using the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. Indeed, most of the subjects experienced periods of severe emotional distress and depression.[1]:161 There were extreme reactions to the psychological effects during the experiment including self-mutilation (one subject amputated three fingers of his hand with an axe, though the subject was unsure if he had done so intentionally or accidentally).[5] Participants exhibited a preoccupation with food, both during the starvation period and the rehabilitation phase. Sexual interest was drastically reduced, and the volunteers showed signs of social withdrawal and isolation.[1]:123-124 The participants reported a decline in concentration, comprehension and judgment capabilities, although the standardized tests administered showed no actual signs of diminished capacity. There were marked declines in physiological processes indicative of decreases in each subject’s basal metabolic rate (the energy required by the body in a state of rest), reflected in reduced body temperature, respiration and heart rate. Some of the subjects exhibited edema in their extremities, presumably due to decreased levels of plasma proteins given that the body's ability to construct key proteins like albumin is based on available energy sources.
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1300-1500 calories. :-\
(http://media.madsciencemuseum.com.s3.amazonaws.com/starve02.jpg)
(http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wwii/images/legg1.jpg)
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1300-1500 calories. :-\
(http://media.madsciencemuseum.com.s3.amazonaws.com/starve02.jpg)
is that dj181
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To sum up:
The humanly fastest (not only) way to get shredded is to:
-go very low on calories
-majority coming from lean protein (get a gram per pound)
-trace fats, just from the lean meats, the odd egg or couple almonds.
-carbs only from fibrous veg. Lower the number faster you'll get shredded.
- steroids stop you shrinking to nothing
-cardio not neccassry, do it if u like tho.
-train hard, that doesn't mean heavy.
-best fat burner in the world I'm will power, learn to get thru hunger and realise to get shredded u suffer.
-once you reach shredded, then maintainance can include a good amount of tasty food every few days, then straight bk on get shredded diet for couple days to get back on track.
Yes you can diet slow on more carbs, fats, calories but this is not what the thread is about.
The end
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Minnesota study is misleading because people don't read it thoroughly.
All the negative affects started to manifest when participants reached 5%bf and below.
You also have to consider their food source, and lack of exercise.
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Minnesota study is misleading because people don't read it thoroughly.
All the negative affects started to manifest when participants reached 5%bf and below.
You also have to consider their food source, and lack of exercise.
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Their food sources were what you would call "clean" foods. All Natural produce, meat and vegetables.
Their exercise was minimum of 22 miles of running or walking a week, plus whatever else they did.
The Negative effects CONTINUED for a long time even after the Experiment was over.
I don`t think you read any of it.
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To sum up:
The humanly fastest (not only) way to get shredded is to:
-go very low on calories
-majority coming from lean protein (get a gram per pound)
-trace fats, just from the lean meats, the odd egg or couple almonds.
-carbs only from fibrous veg. Lower the number faster you'll get shredded.
- steroids stop you shrinking to nothing
-cardio not neccassry, do it if u like tho.
-train hard, that doesn't mean heavy.
-best fat burner in the world I'm will power, learn to get thru hunger and realise to get shredded u suffer.
-once you reach shredded, then maintainance can include a good amount of tasty food every few days, then straight bk on get shredded diet for couple days to get back on track.
Yes you can diet slow on more carbs, fats, calories but this is not what the thread is about.
The end
I truly believe it can be done just as fast with carbs in place of some of the protein.....but i will admit, the way they are describing it takes pretty much all the guesswork out.
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I thought this was rather interesting.
At a conference in Chicago in 1945, Keys noted: "Enough food must be supplied to allow tissues destroyed during starvation to be rebuilt … our experiments have shown that in an adult man no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2000 calories [actually 2000 kcal (8368 kJ)] a day. The proper level is more like 4000 [4000 kcal (16,736 kJ)] daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value (20)."
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I have finally concluded, that no one can defeat TA in a nutrition debate. The same goes for gardening, cooking, and greyhounds. TA is a legend. I give him my seal of approval.
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None of the men remembered being provided with detailed instructions for recommended diet or activities after they left, and all agreed that they were not “back to normal” after the 3-mo rehabilitation period. Although they were warned to be careful not to overeat on d 1, they were free to eat as they wished. Henry Scholberg remembered being taken to the hospital to have his stomach pumped because he “just simply overdid.” Harold Blickenstaff was sick on the bus on the way back from one of the several meals he had d 1; he found that he simply “… couldn’t satisfy [his] craving for food by filling up [his] stomach.” Many also reported eating excessively after they left Minnesota; Jasper Garner described it as a “year-long cavity” that needed to be filled. Many, like Roscoe Hinkle, put on substantial weight: “Boy did I add weight. Well, that was flab. You don’t have muscle yet. And get[ting] the muscle back again, boy that’s no fun.” Estimates for how long it took to fully recover ranged from 2 mo to 2 y
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???
Their food sources were what you would call "clean" foods. All Natural produce, meat and vegetables.
Their exercise was minimum of 22 miles of running or walking a week, plus whatever else they did.
The Negative effects CONTINUED for a long time even after the Experiment was over.
I don`t think you read any of it.
Running and walking is not resistance exercise, why would your body hold on to muscle if you don't force it to.
Actually, excessive cardio vascular work combined with low calorie diet is not a good idea if you're trying to hold on to muscle.
Have you read the following study? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10204826 (this basically blows holes though your hexagram argumentative mindset)
The negative affects were physiological in nature, these dudes did not have the mindset and understanding of a bodybuilder, so it's understandable that they continued to gorge themselves after the study ended.
It's the classic fatso dieting mentality, doing something short term, then going back to eating buckets of ice cream and pizza pies.
You like to argue too much for no good reason.
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I thought this was rather interesting.
At a conference in Chicago in 1945, Keys noted: "Enough food must be supplied to allow tissues destroyed during starvation to be rebuilt … our experiments have shown that in an adult man no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2000 calories [actually 2000 kcal (8368 kJ)] a day. The proper level is more like 4000 [4000 kcal (16,736 kJ)] daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value (20)."
Doesnt make sense. There actually are no extra proteins, vitamins and minerals if the body is not getting sufficient calories to rebuild itself after a period of starvation....it's all going to be used for energy, since the body is in a state that actually requires more than normal caloric intake.
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To sum up:
The humanly fastest (not only) way to get shredded is to:
-go very low on calories
-majority coming from lean protein (get a gram per pound)
-trace fats, just from the lean meats, the odd egg or couple almonds.
-carbs only from fibrous veg. Lower the number faster you'll get shredded.
- steroids stop you shrinking to nothing
-cardio not neccassry, do it if u like tho.
-train hard, that doesn't mean heavy.
-best fat burner in the world I'm will power, learn to get thru hunger and realise to get shredded u suffer.
-once you reach shredded, then maintainance can include a good amount of tasty food every few days, then straight bk on get shredded diet for couple days to get back on track.
Yes you can diet slow on more carbs, fats, calories but this is not what the thread is about.
The end
8)
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Running and walking is not resistance exercise, why would your body hold on to muscle if you don't force it to.
Actually, excessive cardio vascular work combined with low calorie diet is not a good idea if you're trying to hold on to muscle.
Have you read the following study? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10204826 (this basically blows holes though your hexagram argumentative mindset)
The negative affects were physiological in nature, these dudes did not have the mindset and understanding of a bodybuilder, so it's understandable that they continued to gorge themselves after the study ended.
It's the classic fatso dieting mentality, doing something short term, then going back to eating buckets of ice cream and pizza pies.
You like to argue too much for no good reason.
No good reason? On any given time at any given date, you can visit any given bodybuilding related message board and find individuals dieting on low calories talking of binging, depression, being very aggressive, feeling weak, not being able to concentrate, obsessing over food, giving into severe hypochondria.
It is pretty universal across the board to those who diet on low calories. So I do think it is relevant.
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No good reason? On any given time at any given date, you can visit any given bodybuilding related message board and find individuals dieting on low calories talking of binging, depression, being very aggressive, feeling weak, not being able to concentrate, obsessing over food, giving into severe hypochondria.
It is pretty universal across the board to those who diet on low calories. So I do think it is relevant.
good points
traditional bb cutting diets are a killer
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good points
traditional bb cutting diets are a killer
Traditional bbíng cutting diets call for a 500cal reduction, not low calories.
It's weak minded kunts who want quick results but can't wrap their heads around what it actually takes to get that desired result.
I think this thread covered all the variables imaginable, i will stop contributing to the madness.
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I also recall many people doing the Atkins diet craze in the early 2000s to mid 2000s and I rarely saw anyone ripped as well. Atkins Diet is essentially the same thing, Zero Carbs, Protein Heavy diet,low calories.
The people I know who tried and failed with Atkins didn't really want to change their lifestyles. They wanted a quick fix. So, while they cut their carbs, they loaded up on fats and ate foods like Pork Rinds.
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To sum up:
The humanly fastest (not only) way to get shredded is to:
-go very low on calories
-majority coming from lean protein (get a gram per pound)
-trace fats, just from the lean meats, the odd egg or couple almonds.
-carbs only from fibrous veg. Lower the number faster you'll get shredded.
- steroids stop you shrinking to nothing
-cardio not neccassry, do it if u like tho.
-train hard, that doesn't mean heavy.
-best fat burner in the world I'm will power, learn to get thru hunger and realise to get shredded u suffer.
-once you reach shredded, then maintainance can include a good amount of tasty food every few days, then straight bk on get shredded diet for couple days to get back on track.
Yes you can diet slow on more carbs, fats, calories but this is not what the thread is about.
The end
Ill also add:
-simplest method, no fucking around weighing carb sources etc
-also ketogenic very low carb diets have been shown to blunt hunger better than low carb or medium carb diets
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Ill also add:
-simplest method, no fucking around weighing carb sources etc
-also ketogenic very low carb diets have been shown to blunt hunger better than low carb or medium carb diets
In my opinion it is much simpler to weigh and be accurate than to play a guessing game. When playing guessing games, you have fewer variables to adjust if you need to. You end up making it more difficult.
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they are recommending a diet extremely low in fats and carbs....basically just lean protein and greens. I can't imagine the need to do this unless you are 3 weeks out and behind in your prep.
That's a sure fire way to disaster. You can't do both, you either have to have fats or carbs. I do at times go for short burst of just protein but 3 days would be max!!! and again this is to get shredded or for people who are on a certain time frame and come to me very fat.
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That's a sure fire way to disaster. You can't do both, you either have to have fats or carbs. I do at times go for short burst of just protein but 3 days would be max!!! and again this is to get shredded or for people who are on a certain time frame and come to me very fat.
Whats your approach then? ;D
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That's a sure fire way to disaster. You can't do both, you either have to have fats or carbs. I do at times go for short burst of just protein but 3 days would be max!!! and again this is to get shredded or for people who are on a certain time frame and come to me very fat.
I agree. I know some of you guys like tons of protein and nothing else.
To you I ask: How do you go poop? Seriously. No homo. But if I don't eat some damn carbs (don't need a lot, but you need something fibrous), nothing is happening down there.
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Whats your approach then? ;D
I've already said, but to clarify zero carb with fats from mainly meat and eggs. Meat around 80/20 to start. Whole eggs usually 4 to 6 whole depending on the person.
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I agree. I know some of you guys like tons of protein and nothing else.
To you I ask: How do you go poop? Seriously. No homo. But if I don't eat some damn carbs (don't need a lot, but you need something fibrous), nothing is happening down there.
Fats in the beginning are high so no need for fiber as diet progresses I add green as I lower fat.
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ok, what about using anadrol with this galeniko diet
to keep some fullness and strenght during workouts...and for a lot of people it helps lowering apetite.
50~100mg/day, what's your thoughts?
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ok, what about using anadrol with this galeniko diet
to keep some fullness and strenght during workouts...and for a lot of people it helps lowering apetite.
50~100mg/day, what's your thoughts?
Drug of choice while dieting hard.
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I agree. I know some of you guys like tons of protein and nothing else.
To you I ask: How do you go poop? Seriously. No homo. But if I don't eat some damn carbs (don't need a lot, but you need something fibrous), nothing is happening down there.
I've noticed I don't go every day that's for sure. But it is a little neater. If its too hard just drink plenty of water and eat brokkli and lettuce and green veggies. Can also take a fiber supp. Happy shitting. :D
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I actually read all disgusteds posts and pmed him for clarification. for diet advice. I get a pack of 500g pack of 80/20 ground beef and 4 large eggs and puts me at around 1600calories and 65%fat 35% pro zero carb. I shall be following this all summer.
I will however agree gals psmf esque diet would be quicker but I'm woman enuff to admit I couldn't deal with the hunger. I would binge out of control constantly. Hence making it pointkess. Need dem fats to keep me satiated and give me energy to train hard. Plus can binge every Saturday anyway :)
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I actually read all disgusteds posts and pmed him for clarification. for diet advice. I get a pack of 500g pack of 80/20 ground beef and 4 large eggs and puts me at around 1600calories and 65%fat 35% pro zero carb. I shall be following this all summer.
I will however agree gals psmf esque diet would be quicker but I'm woman enuff to admit I couldn't deal with the hunger. I would binge out of control constantly. Hence making it pointkess. Need dem fats to keep me satiated and give me energy to train hard. Plus can binge every Saturday anyway :)
You will eventually grow tired of eating that much beef every day. I don`t see this as a long term solution, only a short term. I would be miserable on that, but to each his own I guess.
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Kelp in mind my diet theories I have posted are strictly for someone looking to get a ripped as possible.
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Lyin Norden is absolutely not lifetime natural TA.
You guys are about the same age, working out for approx same time, supposedly naturally according to Layne yet he is 20-30 lbs heavier then you offseason (220-230) and walks on stage close to 190 lbs ripped.
About as natty as tbombz in a bunny suit getting topped by primemuscle.
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Getting below 6% is when you start waking up in the middle of the night starving. Another thing is when i get this lean I wake up to piss every 20 minutes.
The issue a lot of people have after a show is that the body is primed for both muscle gain and unfortunately, fat gain. after being in a calorie defecit for 8-16 weeks (however long you diet) your body tends to store fat much easier and this is worse if the person was ever fat to begin with (which unfortunately, I was) due to existing fat cells. I found that if i eat whatever I want only once a week (works better if it's a leg day) I can keep fat gain to a minimun....but i sure as shit am not going to stay anywhere as lean as I am on stage!
DNP.
It's the final solution to extra fat cells. Burn those fuckers of.
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after two days of feeling pretty brutal, i was barely hungry at all yesterday or today.
so far today i've had 4 almonds, 5 pistachios, and a zero calorie jones pomegranate soda...
i've felt a couple little grumbles, but they aren't severe and they go away fast
scary...
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i bet disgusted wouldnt advice to binge,hed say eat all you want once weekly without blowing the caloric maintenance level
that refills you just nicely,overbinging throws you back 3 days easy
Yeh when I say binge I just mean a nice fill of carbs, going zero to 200-300 carbs is like a binge to me!
The ones who eat 12000 calories for the sake of refeeding and then wonder why their weekly defecit nets them 0.5lb fat a week are retarded
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You will eventually grow tired of eating that much beef every day. I don`t see this as a long term solution, only a short term. I would be miserable on that, but to each his own I guess.
Beef is tasty tho! Hey you may be right ask me again in 3months but iv fit a goal in mind and a beach to look dry and über shredded on late August so gta do what I gta do. Sometimes monotony just makes things easier and robotic. As u say each to their own :)
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Beef is tasty tho! Hey you may be right ask me again in 3months but iv fit a goal in mind and a beach to look dry and über shredded on late August so gta do what I gta do. Sometimes monotony just makes things easier and robotic. As u say each to their own :)
Oh I have no doubt you will get the desired result if you follow it to the T, no deviation. Setting a goal and sticking with it is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing no matter what diet you choose.
Good luck!
PS. I just cooked a Steak and Caribbean Spiced Sweet Potatoes. Meat is good. 8)
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Kelp in mind my diet theories I have posted are strictly for someone looking to get a ripped as possible.
What about someone who wants to keep at 8-9 percent all year long?
What would you recommend? No one wants to do keto all year long...
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What about someone who wants to keep at 8-9 percent all year long?
What would you recommend? No one wants to do keto all year long...
Just add enough carbs to be able to maintain.
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I will say this. Carbs just aren't needed at all. It's when I get lazy and poor that they come into play.
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DNP.
It's the final solution to extra fat cells. Burn those fuckers of.
I have definitely considered it.....The shit freaks me out, though.
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I will say this. Carbs just aren't needed at all. It's when I get lazy and poor that they come into play.
Yes and I think one of the most important aspects of galenikos diet is that you need to lose that mindset of "i need" either carb, cheat, sugar, whatever. Like he said a million times its the fastest way to get from a to b. this really appeals to me, long term diets suck, just go hardcore few months and maintain.
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I will say this. Carbs just aren't needed at all. It's when I get lazy and poor that they come into play.
they may not be "needed" per se, but when used properly they help tremendously.
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Fast Forward to 32:14 for some points I have made as well.
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Fast Forward to 32:14 for some points I have made as well.
Makes a lot of sense.
Eating a 1000 cals for any length of time and the body will start adapting to live and survive on that amount, go back to eating normally later and end up fat as fuck.
People Africa live on dirt biscuits FFS and they last for years eating maybe once a week, the body is very resilient.
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Makes a lot of sense.
Eating a 1000 cals for any length of time and the body will start adapting to live and survive on that amount, go back to eating normally later and end up fat as fuck.
People Africa live on dirt biscuits FFS and they last for years eating maybe once a week, the body is very resilient.
Thats exactly what happened to the Minnesota Starvation Participants after it was over.
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NICE MIDSECTION ,,flat/shredded...arms look usual good sized ,veins arms up/down.a bit more carbs will spike up and pop muscle more veins/fullness..cheat carb day for u lol,,,good build and that's taking that we are spoiled by pro's look,,on a get big perspective and members impressions of each others builds'thats a good everday build and well trained for that purpose.2nd video 8)
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Awesome Job Galeniko. I even think you can get leaner actually. Get some more feathering to come out.
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How close are you to these guys would you say?(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/1%20and%204%20weeks%20out/photo.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B5968ChW5GE/Tta9iuQARSI/AAAAAAAAA2I/99AHOz9GgWM/s320/kDHyK.jpg)
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(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_184205_zps5921abf9.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130607_184205_zps5921abf9.jpg.html)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_182755_zps77a086ff.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130607_182755_zps77a086ff.jpg.html)
striated calves,thank you very much ;D
nevermind my ugly head
adam, please, the minesota guys didnt train, didnt eat enough protein and they werent on steroids.
cant be compared.
and theyd only start losing muscle after 3 days ofno food at all and below 5% bodyfat.
theres no need to talk about this, the videos are up, i did get down to very shredded, on half the calories the minesota guys were and the muscledidnt go anywhere.
theres no need to even talk about it.
if i carb up a bit tonight id look very full by tomorow ,itd look like i even gained some.
and even if say 2lbs of muscle are lost somehow who cares.
thanks man, yeah i can still go for a bit, mentaly absolutely no problem,am in the zone.hey the above isnt meant to sound harsh, its just meant to enforce my point, you know i love you, and hereby im saying this condition can be maintained on your diet aproach.this is an endorsment :D
and yeah this dieting makes me lets say, a bit moody ;D (walking atomic bomb) ;D
Striations look awesome on the traps there. You are VERY lean and certainly have done an amazing job here.
Do you think you will take it a bit further. Don`t die for us bitches or anything, but I bet just a few grams of water and fat gone and you may earn the most ripped title on Getbig.
I love you too. (No homo)
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this isnt a debate, this was sharing.
dont try to stir something up on purpose just for the fun of it.
this was a polite discussion betwen adults, for the most part.
you really dont know truly valueable info when its right in your face.
just because youre basicaly living on alc infusion, doesnt mean you can come and shit on couple hours thinking it took me to post all this.
you come into a perfect thread and piss on it with your drunk rambling, good job ::)
you clown are the single reason why i felt like deleting the posts.
man, ive come across many drunktards inmy life youre nothing special.they allannoyed me.fucking helliwork daily with drunk morons and have had it with them.
so yeah youre not addinganything of value to this borad andparticularly not to this thread.
hasit escaped yournoticethat you been theonlyonegoing off topic here?
grow the fuck up.
stop the self pity ffs ::) ::)
thats it ,im not returning to this hall of fame thread, atleast not if noone isnt either.
so yeah its all laid out here, the question was how does galeniko eat.
i shared it.
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good point about the dying, ;D
ill take it further, yes, when youre so close , you have to 8)
man, the pics and vids yeah loks great but in person,when flexing, some insane thigns happen under the skin(however aome random water retention happens too at times and makesme look totaly flat too).
i could do the water thing, but i told you the reason why i wont in pm ;)
but i have an idea, we will see.one things for sure im not going to blow it now.
i hope encourages ppl.
Its certainly is motivating. In person I am sure it looks totally different and better. Pictures and lighting can obscure and hide even the most ripped person. You oughta look into finding a woman who is a photographer. Bang her and get her to take Professional pics for free.
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Abs look excellent
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no friend i think you're wrong on this one
watch her training videos she says that what seperates miss olympia from 5-6 place miss olympia is the shreddedness and detail of the lower body
she says women carry a lot of estrogen and it's very very hard to make the glutes come in shredded
that video was educational, with bob chic also commenting and iris husband talking about how to get big
Hearing them talk about Balco/Conte & 'supplements' = ::) x 1000
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I'm a week into this and have seen no negative effects. In that time I've done three bb workouts, a bjj class and 2 x 2.5 mile runs.
That said, I was already going pretty low carbs. So, this hasn't been a big shock. I would imagine someone not dieting at all and jumping into this might have a different experience.
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galeniko, looking great there mate.
what are you on right now? only 250mg of test/week?
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yeah going out later anyway :D
i do know one girl,and she knowsexactly how to make pics look beter than they are and exactly when to click the trigger ,at what second in the pose, women are good at this anyway hahaand this particular one trains and knows whats important :D
btw reposting the vids bc theyre so good ;D
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.mp4)
haha, if teutonic knight sees this,he should listen to the music :D
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130607_182229_zps29ca6745.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_182229_zps29ca6745.mp4)
i hope some fatsos willnowsee the light 8)
Vaginas start to slobber when they see someone like this.
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Vaginas start to slobber when they see someone like this.
yes, i know
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natural, all natural ;D
wont talk gear,but disgusted has summed that up in 1 sentence.
lol
may I assume that sentence is on page 25 of this thread? ;D
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they have no idea howmuch they actualy disgust me
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQC_309W5NhXkA0fUIC2fXLL6z6meooRCTHYgFZ95tOAH276r9h)
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I've been following this for maybe a week, last 3-4 days to the letter - abs becoming much clearer and everything more defined 8)
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I've been following this for maybe a week, last 3-4 days to the letter - abs becoming much clearer and everything more defined 8)
I started this myself today.
I'll post the results in a couple of weeks.
Anyone else?
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I started this myself today.
I'll post the results in a couple of weeks.
Anyone else?
you mean with pics?
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Hearing them talk about Balco/Conte & 'supplements' = ::) x 1000
good old snac delivery system zma by upstanding scientist victor conte
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you mean with pics?
I don't see why not.
I'll probably just log it on the training section though.
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I don't see why not.
I'll probably just log it on the training section though.
what kinda results do you think that you're gonna get?
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what kinda results do you think that you're gonna get?
The results will be getbiggers telling me I need new tiles on my bathroom floor and that ILLS HTH.
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The results will be getbiggers telling me I need new tiles on my bathroom floor and that ILLS HTH.
That's if you're lucky.
One of the better photoshoppers might get inspired, and, next thing you know, you're getting analized by Hitler.
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here another video, click on pic.
see shredded seratus and towards the end the epic vasularity.
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130607_182229_zps29ca6745.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_182229_zps29ca6745.mp4)
not even 2 weeks of this diet, no trickery no balonie like t3, no gh, no efedrina, no diuretics.no not drinking water for 1 day.
not much thinking about theorys, not much excuses i want this and that cheat meal, just diet, just suffering through hunger.
and not lost muscle did i , dont look like i did lose anything.just flat like pancake, but those arms are 48cm pumped btw, measured right there, ok honest 47cm pumped.i dontknow what this is in inches,you can calculate.
this is basicaly contest conditioning,if im not mistaken.
i could quit right now and maintain this with eating icecream daily, if i wanted to.this is the reward for the suffering.
dude no! you can't diet like this you'll starve! you'll lose muscle! you'll have no energy! you need carbs! you can't maintain it!
love how all the 'experts' who were piping off about how and why this diet cant be done and their useless uninformed opinions are now sitting there going what the fuck??? hahaha he's doing EXACTLY what we told you he's doing and got there in weeks not months.
but no. it doesn't work. it can't.
stick around 'hangclean' and 'ukjeff' and the rest of you know it alls who've never tried the diet but just know it won't with can't work blah blah blah you might learn something from the great galeniko and the mighty no one.
i believe this is called 'shut the fuck up' in pic form.
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you fuckers are so lucky. greatest dieting gift ever known to man laid out and handed to you on a platter.
ungrateful fucks should be naming your first borns after us.
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you fuckers are so lucky. greatest dieting gift (plus the Adonis Principles for Maintenance) ever known to man laid out and handed to you on a platter.
ungrateful fucks should be naming your first borns after us.
Fixed my friend. :D
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enough talk, here are the results so far
video 1,click on pic to see.most muscular and abs.and epic jugoslav music haha thats the workout music for me.
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.mp4)
shredded.not even 2 weeks of full dieting on this method.
When you hit that most muscular looked like you were about to shit your pants!
You'd be the most ripped guy with a brown stain in the gym though! No doubt about it!
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Fixed my friend. :D
your principles are flawed my friend. and our diets are apples and oranges. two completely different systems.
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your principles are flawed my friend. and our diets are apples and oranges. two completely different systems.
Completely disagree, but no worries at all. Many ways to skin a cat.
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now,now.holdon.
im browsing through this threadfrom thebegining,didnt even readall yet, will adresssome things.
i have looked into scientific studies and started athread,and the above does matter.
an example, eating 100gramms of protein or cheese will cause 3 times less insulin release compared to100 gramms carbs from bread.
this is significant, esp considering how when bloodsugar levels go up and down make one tend to binge.
with this diet you have to enter a zone and theres no room for volatile blodsugar levels-spikes
not only how effects a binge,but overall effect on look of physique as well,some carbs depending on individual will smooth one out quicker than other carbs,depending on condition temporary gives body good shock,too much condition goes south,,
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now,now.holdon.
im browsing through this threadfrom thebegining,didnt even readall yet, will adresssome things.
i have looked into scientific studies and started athread,and the above does matter.
an example, eating 100gramms of protein or cheese will cause 3 times less insulin release compared to100 gramms carbs from bread.
this is significant, esp considering how when bloodsugar levels go up and down make one tend to binge.
with this diet you have to enter a zone and theres no room for volatile blodsugar levels-spikes
bingo. and i think thats why my appetite and cravings are non-existent. no carbs on my fasted/low cal days just protein and fats. this is important in my case as i am very carb sensitive as even a slight change in my sugar/gi intake can trigger hypo. some guys might be able to do carbs on this instead of fat. im not one of them.
besides, i dont want carbs for fuel ;)
seriosuly tho dude we got to stop giving out this shit out like this. all the dildos who criticised us will use them and be like 'oh ya it does work'. let them get in shape with their 'diets' the hard way.
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bingo. and i think thats why my appetite and cravings are non-existent. no carbs on my fasted/low cal days just protein and fats. this is important in my case as i am very carb sensitive as even a slight change in my sugar/gi intake can trigger hypo. some guys might be able to do carbs on this instead of fat. im not one of them.
besides, i dont want carbs for fuel ;)
seriosuly tho dude we got to stop giving out this shit out like this. all the dildos who criticised us will use them and be like 'oh ya it does work'. let them get in shape with their 'diets' the hard way.
Exactly the way I always felt too.
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bingo. and i think thats why my appetite and cravings are non-existent. no carbs on my fasted/low cal days just protein and fats. this is important in my case as i am very carb sensitive as even a slight change in my sugar/gi intake can trigger hypo. some guys might be able to do carbs on this instead of fat. im not one of them.
besides, i dont want carbs for fuel ;)
seriosuly tho dude we got to stop giving out this shit out like this. all the dildos who criticised us will use them and be like 'oh ya it does work'. let them get in shape with their 'diets' the hard way.
lol,,,
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This might be one of the best threads ever on GB
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This might be one of the best threads ever on GB
I think Credit can also go to the New Mods and New Modding style. A few months ago, this thread would have been moved and died in the ghost town that is the "Nutrition Board" where they are still arguing over the Anabolic Window and the benefits of 6 small meals a day and eating every 3 hours.
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I think Credit can also go to the New Mods and New Modding style. A few months ago, this thread would have been moved and died in the ghost town that is the "Nutrition Board" where they are still arguing over the Anabolic Window and the benefits of 6 small meals a day and eating every 3 hours.
true lol,,
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Galinko and others who go with the more extreme diets, how do you cope at work? My job is sitting in front of a computer all day so i don't need a lot of energy but I need to be able to focus and concentrate for long periods and often on complex things. I find this is pretty hard to do when on low a low carb diet, my mind just goes "foggy". Any tips to avoid this? coffee only works for so long.
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bingo. and i think thats why my appetite and cravings are non-existent. no carbs on my fasted/low cal days just protein and fats. this is important in my case as i am very carb sensitive as even a slight change in my sugar/gi intake can trigger hypo. some guys might be able to do carbs on this instead of fat. im not one of them.
besides, i dont want carbs for fuel ;)
seriosuly tho dude we got to stop giving out this shit out like this. all the dildos who criticised us will use them and be like 'oh ya it does work'. let them get in shape with their 'diets' the hard way.
I seriously doubt you need to worry about the last part of your post!
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I seriously doubt you need to worry about the last part of your post!
oh look. speaking of dildos.
still waiting for you to answer what exactly you meant by 'controlling your rebound after' there sparky, or have you grown tired of being made look the fool?
if you really wanted to stop looking stupid you'd just stop posting, but bozos like you seem to think the 'reply' button is actually a 'save face' button when all it's doing is making you look impossibly more retarded every time you post
carry on, dildo. thanks for coming out.
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oh look. speaking of dildos.
still waiting for you to answer what exactly you meant by 'controlling your rebound after' there sparky, or have you grown tired of being made look the fool?
if you really wanted to stop looking stupid you'd just stop posting, but bozos like you seem to think the 'reply' button is actually a 'save face' button when all it's doing is making you look impossibly more retarded every time you post
carry on, dildo. thanks for coming out.
are you saying the only rebounding bang peen is doing involves ugandan sailors?
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hey DILDO. explain this bit of stupidity please. hahahaha fuck your dumb
LOL!!! You take this shit way too seriously, my friend. Listen, I totally agree with you about the guru bullshit. It's not necessary and the only time i everr hired one, it was a complete waste of money....but I simply hate a diet where you are basically eating just protein. It's not realistic and most people are going to fuck it up and get fatter than they were before when they come off it. If it works for some people, then great....I personally have good results with a higher carb?lower fat diet and it's easy for me to control the rebound.
rebound? what rebound? why do you rebound after a show? supercompensation of water and glycogen. because you've depleted water to the point where it now hoards it once it is reintroduced. why would you rebound on this diet? your not dropping water. where is this even coming from? im trying to be civil here but jesus christ man.
rebound. what the fuck are you even talking about? why would you 'rebound' off this? if you eat 4k cals your not burning off your going to get fat period. whats this rebound bullshit? what does this have to do with anything?
why are you even posting in here? im being serious. it's be different if you were sharing advise or saying things that make sense but all you've done is twist what we are saying and talked utter nonsense.
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are you saying the only rebounding bang peen is doing involves ugandan sailors?
haha bigmc are you inferring that our new resident dildo 'dragqueen' has rebounded more cock than Dennis Rodman has basketballs?
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haha bigmc are you inferring that our new resident dildo 'dragqueen' has rebounded more cock than Dennis Rodman has basketballs?
what im saying no one is that wanks teens boyfriend calls him trampoline buttocks
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what im saying no one is that wanks teens boyfriend calls him trampoline buttocks
are you saying that fagclean spends a lot of time stuffing the members of barnyard animals into his rectum?
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cause I'm saying it seems to me bagcream has had his ass pummelled more than an oklahoma trailer park during tornado season. that's all.
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are you saying that fagclean spends a lot of time stuffing the members of barnyard animals into his rectum?
im saying is that bangs obscenes ass his so big it has its own ecological system
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low carb and no carbs isnt the same, but comeon, i did them both, whats this mean how do you cope with it?
how do you cope with no food while sleeping?
itjust happens.
noone said its easy,its only simple.
do you think on top of whats adviced,some 200gramms extra carbs would make that much a diference and help you?
its been discussed on this very page and the previous one how todeal with it.
hm, who merged this thread btw?can we atleast have the same thread title?galeniko nutritional strategy
btw, cswol, you morbidly obese fatso,you very quiet,did your finger become too fat to type on a keyboard?seen this?
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.mp4)
;D
I already started a complaint thread on the questions/complaints board complaining that some fucktard mod thought it was a good idea to merge and fuck up a great thread.
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low carb and no carbs isnt the same, but comeon, i did them both, whats this mean how do you cope with it?
how do you cope with no food while sleeping?
itjust happens.
noone said its easy,its only simple.
do you think on top of whats adviced,some 200gramms extra carbs would make that much a diference and help you?
its been discussed on this very page and the previous one how todeal with it.
hm, who merged this thread btw?can we atleast have the same thread title?galeniko nutritional strategy
btw, cswol, you morbidly obese fatso,you very quiet,did your finger become too fat to type on a keyboard?seen this?
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.mp4)
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No, that wasn't my question. I didn't ask how you cope with no carbs or low carbs, sticking to a low or no carb diet is easy, after a few days you have no appetite anyway and its very easy to stick to I don't know what the fuss is about to be honest. I asked how you can focus on intellectually demanding tasks when on very little carbs, it has nothing to do with will power or any of that nonsense. ECA helps to an extent, so does coffee, but not enough. What do you do for work?
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No, that wasn't my question. I didn't ask how you cope with no carbs or low carbs, sticking to a low or no carb diet is easy, after a few days you have no appetite anyway and its very easy to stick to I don't know what the fuss is about to be honest. I asked how you can focus on intellectually demanding tasks when on very little carbs, it has nothing to do with will power or any of that nonsense. ECA helps to an extent, so does coffee, but not enough. What do you do for work?
he did answer your question you just didn't pay attention or it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear.
if you want to get itno shape it isnt going to be easy. if it was easy everyone would look like galeniko. how many guys you see walking around like that every day? try none. if it was easy everyone would be peeled like that. but its not. theres going to be something in the cost/benefit analysis that isnt all benefit.
were giving you the fastest most efficient way to get shredded here. we didnt say anything about fun, enjoyable or not needing to sacrifice something for it.
mental commitment to this is the first and most important step, if you cant commit to it mentally, or are worried about 'what if's' and not being prepared for that trade off then maybe another method would be more to your liking. why? cause your not ready mentally for this. all that matters is getting peeled. thats it. failure is not an option. you supply the mindset, the system supplies the results.
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and everyone keeps wondering about 'energy'. energy? i dont know what to do with the energy i now have. i think part of the problem with conventional 1800-2400cal diets is that your not taking enough enough calories to supply your body with the energy it needs to perform its tasks, and too many calories for your body to fully tap into its fat reserves for fuel, so your constantly hungry, constantly lethargic.
notice how the further into that type of diet you go, the more lethargic you feel and the more resiliant to fat loss you become??? now re- read that first paragraph again and draw some parallels. basically the further into the prep you go you only exaggerate this imbalance. so you drop your cals further to stimulate fat loss. or up the cardio, and throw your body further out of a state of statis instead of working with your body and listening to it and letting it burn its fat off for you.
that is why those diets are not optimal! jesus people. open your eyes.
this is a theory of as to the 'why' of course and i cant whip up a peer reviewed study or double blind placebo test to validate it, but i dont need to. cause it works and thats all that matters. the 'why' is secondary to results. want proof scroll back a page or two and look at those pics. ya, hes really fading away to nothing and having to drag his ass through his workouts. ::)
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No, that wasn't my question. I didn't ask how you cope with no carbs or low carbs, sticking to a low or no carb diet is easy, after a few days you have no appetite anyway and its very easy to stick to I don't know what the fuss is about to be honest. I asked how you can focus on intellectually demanding tasks when on very little carbs, it has nothing to do with will power or any of that nonsense. ECA helps to an extent, so does coffee, but not enough. What do you do for work?
this describes my experience so far. after the first two days, suddenly i don't seem to feel hungry, ever. these past two days i've had to force myself to eat, probably little more than 1000 calories!
mentally i felt better today, but still a little lacking in willpower when it comes to my studies.
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low carb and no carbs isnt the same, but comeon, i did them both, whats this mean how do you cope with it?
how do you cope with no food while sleeping?
itjust happens.
noone said its easy,its only simple.
do you think on top of whats adviced,some 200gramms extra carbs would make that much a diference and help you?
its been discussed on this very page and the previous one how todeal with it.
hm, who merged this thread btw?can we atleast have the same thread title?galeniko nutritional strategy
btw, cswol, you morbidly obese fatso,you very quiet,did your finger become too fat to type on a keyboard?seen this?
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130607_183139_zps5bdcc5f0.mp4)
Super point. It is simple, but it's not easy...that's where all the problems lie. And, where all people in this thread are going retarted.
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Galeniko making groink look humble in this thread
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Ephedrine and Caffeine always seemed to work well for me, but there is just something about being in good shape and sweating like a pig that just doesn't seem healthy :)
I have seen guys who need to shadowbox in sweat suits to get a real sweat take one dose of a pure e/c/a product and they are dreched walking in the door of the gym :o
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no one wrote
stick around 'hangclean' and 'ukjeff' and the rest of you know it alls who've never tried the diet but just know it won't with can't work blah blah blah you might learn something from the great galeniko and the mighty no one.
I have tried the diet and it didn't agree with me I had severe lapses of concentration and even hypoglycaemic black outs, I also have a job where my concentration levels have to be spot on, any mistakes I make could result in people getting hurt and my arse getting thrown in jail.
Care to quote me where I said it wont work?
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hey DILDO. explain this bit of stupidity please. hahahaha fuck your dumb
rebound? what rebound? why do you rebound after a show? supercompensation of water and glycogen. because you've depleted water to the point where it now hoards it once it is reintroduced. why would you rebound on this diet? your not dropping water. where is this even coming from? im trying to be civil here but jesus christ man.
rebound. what the fuck are you even talking about? why would you 'rebound' off this? if you eat 4k cals your not burning off your going to get fat period. whats this rebound bullshit? what does this have to do with anything?
why are you even posting in here? im being serious. it's be different if you were sharing advise or saying things that make sense but all you've done is twist what we are saying and talked utter nonsense.
I am actually kind of shocked you need me to explain this. If someone uses t3, and/or clen-ephedrine during their contest prep diet (even gh) they are gong to have a worse rebound if they all of the sudden just stop these drugs after the show. It's more than just water and glycogen one willl gain after doing a serious diet after any extended time. Yes, it can be controlled mostly through diet, but a lot of people easily put on 30-40 pounds within a month after a show and believe me, not all of that is glycogen and water. Your body is primed to gain any tissue after an extended period of dieting.....fat and muscle.
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Been hammering away at this diet for a while now. Albeit drinking a little more booze than most of you. Wine and a beer with meals every third or forth day. I'm not stopping that. Cardio is really my saving grace. Feeling good and lose more fat than taking any fat burner. Almost summer ready another few weeks.
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I am actually kind of shocked you need me to explain this. If someone uses t3, and/or clen-ephedrine during their contest prep diet (even gh) they are gong to have a worse rebound if they all of the sudden just stop these drugs after the show. It's more than just water and glycogen one willl gain after doing a serious diet after any extended time. Yes, it can be controlled mostly through diet, but a lot of people easily put on 30-40 pounds within a month after a show and believe me, not all of that is glycogen and water. Your body is primed to gain any tissue after an extended period of dieting.....fat and muscle.
thank you for proving my point. you= stupid.
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thank you for proving my point. you= stupid.
so, you do not agree that the drugs I mentioned increase ones metabolic rate?
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Thread ruined. Wtf?
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I agree, un-merge the thread or change the title at least.
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What a colossal fail by the mods....stupafuks.
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Thread ruined. Wtf?
What a colossal fail by the mods....stupafuks.
How is the thread ruined? Because less than ONE page of another topic on a 54 page thread was merged in ::) Bunch of whineyass cry babies.
...and NO I did not merge it!
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nah,missus, theres a whole 20 pages thread merged into this,it seems.
i also request to delete shizzo81s drunk ramblings to be deleted if thats possible.his every single post in this thread is as useless as diarheea on a restaurant meal
thanks
Sorry. Didn't see that. I only looked at page one and then the last 2 or 3 pages. If you want to point out on what page the garbage starts, I'd be happy to get rid of it.
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I have been on GB for what seems forever - and have to say this thread - Galeniko has probably provided the most detailed, workable, realistic, plan to date.
What is better though - is that he accurately describes the mental reality of what this bullshit takes to get in shape. Sacrifice and Time
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Been hammering away at this diet for a while now. Albeit drinking a little more booze than most of you. Wine and a beer with meals every third or forth day. I'm not stopping that. Cardio is really my saving grace. Feeling good and lose more fat than taking any fat burner. Almost summer ready another few weeks.
Looking lean and mean!
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yah, what is known as processed food, lets just say theres no room for any such in this diet.
this diet reqiures the proper nutritious energy needed, or it will simply fail.
nothing halts fatburning as badly as those processed shit foods,while giving you fuck all energy.
takes a while for the body to clean up the mess such food causes.
sugars with saturated fats in the same meal for diet?good luck with that.
Ground Beef is processed. We don`t eat the Cow like a lion would do. Same with any source of protein.
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now,now.holdon.
im browsing through this threadfrom thebegining,didnt even readall yet, will adresssome things.
i have looked into scientific studies and started athread,and the above does matter.
an example, eating 100gramms of protein or cheese will cause 3 times less insulin release compared to100 gramms carbs from bread.
this is significant, esp considering how when bloodsugar levels go up and down make one tend to binge.
with this diet you have to enter a zone and theres no room for volatile blodsugar levels-spikes
Tt does not.
There were numerous of studies, on restricted calories they replaced 44% of calories to just table sugar. after 6 weeks, no changes in bodyweight, composition, nothing.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9094871
There is no reason to believe insulin spike is any better than insulin elevated for longer period of time. I think there are actually reasons to believe the latter is worse. People were succesfully dieting on high carbs and 1-2 meals per day with 8h feeding period also known as Intermittent Fasting. Obviously, with so many calories packed in one meal, spike is gonna be tremendous simple carbs or not.
Did you know that listening to loud music does not harm your ears? Even if it's VERY loud it's not that bad. What hurts your ears is listening to loud music for longer periods of time, say, many hours.
This is merely an analogy and does not mean NOTHING that it's true but there are situations when spike is better. I can imagine a situation when insulin stops fat burning process but after reaching certain level it does not stop fat burning any more. That's like test - after certain dose you won't get any bigger by taking more. So maybe it's better to get a huge spike and be done with it.
When it comes to appetite... It's up to an individual really. In practice, I've known people who dieted to contest on simple carbs only due to their gastric problems and they saw no difference whatsoever. I can show you pictures, shredded to the bone on simple carbs :P And this guy was mostly natural, he used some winstrol before contest two times or something. That doesn't make much difference tho as you know.
Personally, when I wanna look good I just limit carbs to 100g, get under 2k calories and remaining calories come from fat. Reason why I do this is because carbs bloat me, I retain water and look worse.
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yah, what is known as processed food, lets just say theres no room for any such in this diet.
this diet reqiures the proper nutritious energy needed, or it will simply fail.
nothing halts fatburning as badly as those processed shit foods,while giving you fuck all energy.
takes a while for the body to clean up the mess such food causes.
sugars with saturated fats in the same meal for diet?good luck with that.
The guys I posted, Eric and Nunez eat sugar day in and day out and never had a problem with fat loss.
Not trying to argue, but just pointing out that it does work and does not necessarily slow anything down.
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Been hammering away at this diet for a while now. Albeit drinking a little more booze than most of you. Wine and a beer with meals every third or forth day. I'm not stopping that. Cardio is really my saving grace. Feeling good and lose more fat than taking any fat burner. Almost summer ready another few weeks.
all the way stud.
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yah, but its totaly different aproach, if you add sugar on this diet or bit junkfood, theres to many calories used up for enough protein.
yes, xfactor looking very good there, i hope he doesnt encourage ppl to drink in hope theyll get away with his conditioning, xfactor trains twice a day every day, something to keep in mind ;D
That makes sense. Too many calories at the end of the day can inhibit fat loss regardless of diet composition.
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so, you do not agree that the drugs I mentioned increase ones metabolic rate?
what does your metabolic rate have to do with anything if you are in a 2k calorie deficit a day?
are you really this stupid? can you explain to me what role your 'metabolic rate' plays in a 2k cal deficit please? im curious to hear about this.
and since we are here i asked you to explain what you meant by your 'fighting the rebound' ::) comment- where did this come from, where did anyone say you end the system, or stop the diet? what the fuck are you talking about? ? cause really its the stupidest thing i have read in some time. and you say going off clen, t3 and gh causes a 'rebound'? so, if im in a calorie deficit, just what 'rebounds' exactly here? my body weight? i havent manipulated water or sodium as we have already stated earlier in the thread so please explain how the cessation of gh and clen administration causes a 'rebound' here in a calorie deficit and what its effects are. im still waiting for you to answer a question with something that makes sense. feel free to surprise me.
oh heres another beauty maybe you can clarify for me?
It's more than just water and glycogen one willl gain after doing a serious diet after any extended time. Yes, it can be controlled mostly through diet, but a lot of people easily put on 30-40 pounds within a month after a show and believe me, not all of that is glycogen and water. Your body is primed to gain any tissue after an extended period of dieting.....fat and muscle.
really. interesting, so if im in a calorie deficit, and im keeping my cals at my maintenance once every 4 days, and below maintenance for the remainder of the days like this system says to, and thats what you are debating- the system- im going to put on 30-40 pounds if i havent manipulated my water or sodium? can you explain how this happens? what am i putting 30-40 pounds on of then? fat? am i putting on 30-40 pounds of fat in a calorie deficit? muscle then! i must be putting on 30-40 pounds of muscle if i am in a calorie deficit and i havent depleted my sodium or water, cause thats what i asked you to explain earlier- explain to me just exactly is 'rebounding' (fuck your a nunce btw) if im not manipulatiing my sodium or water, and this was your reply.
stop posting you fucking retard. your in way over your head here.
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what does your metabolic rate have to do with anything if you are in a 2k calorie deficit a day?
are you really this stupid?
so, i asked you to explain what you meant by 'fighting the rebound' ::) comment after this diet- where did anyone say stopping the diet meant eating 4 k cal a day? cause really its the stupidest thing i have read in some time. and you say going off clen, t3 and gh causes a 'rebound'? so, if im in a calorie deficit, just what 'rebounds' exactly here? my body weight? i havent manipulated water or sodium as we have already stated earlier in the thread so please explain how the cessation of gh and clen administration causes a 'rebound' here in a calorie deficit and what its effects are. im still waiting for you to answer a question with something that makes sense. feel free to surprise me.
oh heres another beauty maybe you can clarify for me?
really. interesting, so if im in a calorie deficit, im going to put on 30-40 pounds if i havent manipulated my water or sodium? can you explain how this happens? what am i putting 30-40 pounds on of then? fat? am i putting on 30-40 pounds of fat in a calorie deficit? muscle then! i must be putting on 30-40 pounds of muscle if i am in a calorie deficit and i havent depleted my sodium or water, cause thats what i asked you to explain earlier- explain to me just exactly is 'rebounding' (fuck your a nunce btw) if im not manipulatiing my sodium or water, and this was your reply.
stop posting you fucking retard. your in way over your head here.
I think he's referring to the fact that huge caloric deficit may lead to slower metabolic rate. By that I mean that you say, before diet you could maintain your weight at 2500 calories. After dieting of 1000 cals when you go back to even 2000 you will rebound and gain fat.
This happened to many people, especially women.
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I think he's referring to the fact that huge caloric deficit may lead to slower metabolic rate. By that I mean that you say, before diet you could maintain your weight at 2500 calories. After dieting of 1000 cals when you go back to even 2000 you will rebound and gain fat.
This happened to many people, especially women.
no. he was talking about the impairment of metabolic rate induced by the cessation of compounds- not the diet. he cant be talking about the diet cause hes never done it. so its 2 totally different things.
so if im in a 2k cal deficit and i stop taking clen im going to get fat? baloon up 30-40 pounds in a few weeks cause i missed my 4iu of gh and 25mcg of clen a day hahahahahaha interesting.
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Training is the most important thing. There are plenty of studies that show Lean Body Mass loss is limited to non-existent if training volume is high and weights are challenging (heavy enough) to the individual regardless of whatever diet puts one in a caloric deficit.
People who don`t train and then try to diet will always look like shit.
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i dont seeno reason to ever count calories.
when one has learnedto feel out his bodys needs, theres no need for that.
also, not everyday is same activity wise andmetabolism wise.
fully agreed with you,as usual
When you eat as much sugar and desserts as I do, counting calories makes it easier to get as much Moravian Sugar Cake in the diet without going overboard. :D
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Some food that I make would be impossible to judge calories by look and even feel after you eat them.
For instance, I Ferment my Pizza Dough in Olive Oil at times and by day 5 its fully absorbed in the dough, and then I fry it in a butter and Olive Oil mix in a Cast Iron for this specific type of pizza.
Nobody would detect how much Olive Oil is in the dough or how much butter was absorbed. I could post pictures of things I make and say guess the calories and I guarantee you nobody would get the correct amount.
So I do think in my case, counting and keeping track of calories is a good thing and I don`t find it difficult to do at all. Takes all of two seconds.
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i dont seeno reason to ever count calories.
when one has learnedto feel out his bodys needs, theres no need for that.
also, not everyday is same activity wise andmetabolism wise.
fully agreed with you,as usual
Unfortunately, a lot of people lose the ability to eat to live, by falling into the bad habit of eating for other reasons which have nothing to do with supplying fuel for your body. If folks actually ate what their bodies and not their emotions craved there would be no need to be concerned about calories and metabolism because these things would come naturally. I am not saying one has to eat stuff which isn't appetizing just to eat clean. If however, on is drinking several diet pops a day, they are throwing their natural and healthy cravings off kilter.
On days when I don't work out, I don't drink protein drinks, nor do I crave them. It could be more habit then anything, but I actually enjoy drinking protein drinks before and after my workout. I am not super cut nor will I likely ever be so. I have no plans to compete. Old men like me wearing a thong on the competition stage just seems creepy to me. While it is good to be healthy and fit regardless of age, competitive bodybuilding is a young person's venture.
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it's a good thing respiratory function is controlled unconsciously cause 'hangclean' would be fucked. only person I have ever met who's almost too stupid to remember to breathe.
us: follow this diet you'll lose weight
bagclean: you'll rebound too hard after when I do a show I put on 30-40 pounds after.
us: your not manipulating sodium or water why would you put on 30 pounds? we're not doing a show here. what the fuck are you talking about?
bagclean: after a show you put on weight cause you stop using gh and t3. you trying to say this doesn't happen?
us: we're not doing a show. what the fuck are you taking about? what the fuck does t3 gh or anything else have to do with what anyone is talking about?
anyone else see a pattern here. holy fuck this guy is a piece of work. wee taking about losing weight. he's taking about who the fuck knows what. lol
hey DILDO. we aren't talking about shows. what the fuck are you talking about?
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Unfortunately, a lot of people lose the ability to eat to live, by falling into the bad habit of eating for other reasons which have nothing to do with supplying fuel for your body. If folks actually ate what their bodies and not their emotions craved there would be no need to be concerned about calories and metabolism because these things would come naturally. I am not saying one has to eat stuff which isn't appetizing just to eat clean. If however, on is drinking several diet pops a day, they are throwing their natural and healthy cravings off kilter.
On days when I don't work out, I don't drink protein drinks, nor do I crave them. It could be more habit then anything, but I actually enjoy drinking protein drinks before and after my workout. I am not super cut nor will I likely ever be so. I have no plans to compete. Old men like me wearing a thong on the competition stage just seems creepy to me. While it is good to be healthy and fit regardless of age, competitive bodybuilding is a young person's venture.
Totally useless. I guess you have never heard of something called Culinary Art.
I eat for pleasure and wouldn`t have it any other way. I don`t care to eat any other way. I have found a way to make this work day in and day out. I refuse to mindlessly eat as you might do.
“The beginning and root of every good is the pleasure of the stomach. Even wisdom and culture must be referred to this.”- Epicurus
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Unfortunately, a lot of people lose the ability to eat to live, by falling into the bad habit of eating for other reasons which have nothing to do with supplying fuel for your body. If folks actually ate what their bodies and not their emotions craved there would be no need to be concerned about calories and metabolism because these things would come naturally. I am not saying one has to eat stuff which isn't appetizing just to eat clean. If however, on is drinking several diet pops a day, they are throwing their natural and healthy cravings off kilter.
On days when I don't work out, I don't drink protein drinks, nor do I crave them. It could be more habit then anything, but I actually enjoy drinking protein drinks before and after my workout. I am not super cut nor will I likely ever be so. I have no plans to compete. Old men like me wearing a thong on the competition stage just seems creepy to me. While it is good to be healthy and fit regardless of age, competitive bodybuilding is a young person's venture.
Furthermore, if you want to play the "only eat to live" game, go to Zimbabwe and have at it. That would suit you well.
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I eat for pleasure and wouldn`t have it any other way
But you do look like shit, no?
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But you do look like shit, no?
173.2 today, leanest I have ever been at this weight. 2600 calories, and my calipers read 7-9 percent. So not much more to go.
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no. he was talking about the impairment of metabolic rate induced by the cessation of compounds- not the diet. he cant be talking about the diet cause hes never done it. so its 2 totally different things.
so if im in a 2k cal deficit and i stop taking clen im going to get fat? baloon up 30-40 pounds in a few weeks cause i missed my 4iu of gh and 25mcg of clen a day hahahahahaha interesting.
in all honesty I was referring to both. I guess the problem here is I am using my experience in contest prep where one is actually preparing to be their leanest on one certain day. You are talking about dieting down and maintaining. As for me never doing a diet like the one you describe, I have indeed done extremely low carb diets in the past and had success, but I have found through trial and error, the low fat moderate carb approach works better for me.
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173.2 today, leanest I have ever been at this weight. 2600 calories, and my calipers read 7-9 percent. So not much more to go.
Picture speaks a thousand words as they say ;)
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in all honesty I was referring to both. I guess the problem here is I am using my experience in contest prep where one is actually preparing to be their leanest on one certain day. You are talking about dieting down and maintaining. As for me never doing a diet like the one you describe, I have indeed done extremely low carb diets in the past and had success, but I have found through trial and error, the low fat moderate carb approach works better for me.
exactly. thank god you see what I'm getting at. we are butting heads not because we disagree but because your trying to figure it out only knowing what you know.
thank you for understanding. I'm glad you get it. you don't have to get this system or even understand it. but at least now you see you can't debate it from your current perspective. nobody can. you just have to try it.
cheers.
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2500 cals is bulk for me and we weight about the same, I'm just 5'5'' :D
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they travel with a dodge neon, we take the lambo
Have you heard the story about the tortoise and the hare? :)
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Have you heard the story about the tortoise and the hare? :)
One question:
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SO NEGATIVE ALL THE TIME?
Thanks.
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Negative?
Are you for real you short arsed twat?
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He may not arrive but he enjoys the journey better ;D
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i will be 45 soon...zero cardio,zero fatburners,i eat close to my contest diet from the 90's,i pick some ideas of galineko last yr or so regarding training/eating,i have maintained and improved my build but sticking close to lean shape ,and noticed as i got older less food works best,i never count calories,protein grams,i have pretty good sense of meal planning and just stick with same plan day in /out,if i eat pizza which i do ,i get right back on track pretty easy.pic was taken a day ago,,,,,
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Have you heard the story about the tortoise and the hare? :)
yes i have.
can you elaborate on what this means please and the parallel your trying to draw between that fable and the topic at hand?
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Read the thread numbnuts, the answers there if you look, Im not here to spoonfeed you.
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all the way stud.
Lol. Trying to catch up to you my man
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Read the thread numbnuts, the answers there if you look, Im not here to spoonfeed you.
no thanks.
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hahaha...no comprende. ::)
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Lol. Trying to catch up to you my man
haha ohhhhhhh listen to this!
awesome. flattery will get you everywhere my friend. however to catch up to form I displayed in playa you'd have to eat a lot of cereal and large rustic Italians from BP. :D
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he did answer your question you just didn't pay attention or it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear.
if you want to get itno shape it isnt going to be easy. if it was easy everyone would look like galeniko. how many guys you see walking around like that every day? try none. if it was easy everyone would be peeled like that. but its not. theres going to be something in the cost/benefit analysis that isnt all benefit.
were giving you the fastest most efficient way to get shredded here. we didnt say anything about fun, enjoyable or not needing to sacrifice something for it.
mental commitment to this is the first and most important step, if you cant commit to it mentally, or are worried about 'what if's' and not being prepared for that trade off then maybe another method would be more to your liking. why? cause your not ready mentally for this. all that matters is getting peeled. thats it. failure is not an option. you supply the mindset, the system supplies the results.
No, he didn't really answer the question. I don't think either of you actually understood the question.
I didn't ask how to stick to a diet, where you get the motivation from etc etc, this diet is not that hard, stop trying to make it seem like you are conquering cancer or something its ridiculous. It was just a simple question, when on a low carb diet, is there anything that anyone does to get over the whole "brain fog". If the answer is nothing, then fine, you don't know of anything that helps, that's cool. I'm guessing you work maybe construction or something that doesn't require a lot of mental focus for long periods of time?
And secondly, to be honest i see people like Galeniko a lot these days. Here in Australia where i am, it seems the current generation are the "steroid generation" every second guy i see in their 20's are geared up for a festival or for the clubs, it is getting out of control. They have actually done 3 or 4 "special news reports" on the "epidemic" already this year...no joke.
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No, he didn't really answer the question. I don't think either of you actually understood the question.
I didn't ask how to stick to a diet, where you get the motivation from etc etc, this diet is not that hard, stop trying to make it seem like you are conquering cancer or something its ridiculous. It was just a simple question, when on a low carb diet, is there anything that anyone does to get over the whole "brain fog". If the answer is nothing, then fine, you don't know of anything that helps, that's cool. I'm guessing you work maybe construction or something that doesn't require a lot of mental focus for long periods of time?
And secondly, to be honest i see people like Galeniko a lot these days. Here in Australia where i am, it seems the current generation are the "steroid generation" every second guy i see in their 20's are geared up for a festival or for the clubs, it is getting out of control. They have actually done 3 or 4 "special news reports" on the "epidemic" already this year...no joke.
No, you don't. But, thanks for playing. ::)
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No, he didn't really answer the question. I don't think either of you actually understood the question.
I didn't ask how to stick to a diet, where you get the motivation from etc etc, this diet is not that hard, stop trying to make it seem like you are conquering cancer or something its ridiculous. It was just a simple question, when on a low carb diet, is there anything that anyone does to get over the whole "brain fog". If the answer is nothing, then fine, you don't know of anything that helps, that's cool. I'm guessing you work maybe construction or something that doesn't require a lot of mental focus for long periods of time?
And secondly, to be honest i see people like Galeniko a lot these days. Here in Australia where i am, it seems the current generation are the "steroid generation" every second guy i see in their 20's are geared up for a festival or for the clubs, it is getting out of control. They have actually done 3 or 4 "special news reports" on the "epidemic" already this year...no joke.
I like how you use the word "epidemic". Makes out something to be quadruple of it's actual seriousness.
Yes, low carb diets suck, they will give you burst of energy at times, and make you feel like complete shit as well.
It's a means to an end, mainly being super fast results.
I think supplementing with the four basic electrolytes is essential.
Calcium, potassium, magnesium, and sodium.
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I like how you use the word "epidemic". Makes out something to be quadruple of it's actual seriousness.
Yes, low carb diets suck, they will give you burst of energy at times, and make you feel like complete shit as well.
It's a means to an end, mainly being super fast results.
I think supplementing with the four basic electrolytes is essential.
Calcium, potassium, magnesium, and sodium.
Thats why its in inverted commas, not my word, thats what they refer to it as on the news over here lol. Serious though, so many guys in their 20's using a ton of gear just to look good at a music festival, none will ever step foot on stage or have any desire too.
In a way its good because everyone here in Australia is so open about it now, kids in the gym talk about their stack like they were discussing the best protein or creatine brand to use.
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No, you don't. But, thanks for playing. ::)
Sure do, your welcome.
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And secondly, to be honest i see people like Galeniko a lot these days. Here in Australia where i am, it seems the current generation are the "steroid generation" every second guy i see in their 20's are geared up for a festival or for the clubs, it is getting out of control. They have actually done 3 or 4 "special news reports" on the "epidemic" already this year...no joke.
Are you sure you don't live in New Jersey? ;)
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Thats why its in inverted commas, not my word, thats what they refer to it as on the news over here lol. Serious though, so many guys in their 20's using a ton of gear just to look good at a music festival, none will ever step foot on stage or have any desire too.
In a way its good because everyone here in Australia is so open about it now, kids in the gym talk about their stack like they were discussing the best protein or creatine brand to use.
Sure do, your welcome.
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Are you sure you don't live in New Jersey? ;)
i do,,,
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Thats why its in inverted commas, not my word, thats what they refer to it as on the news over here lol. Serious though, so many guys in their 20's using a ton of gear just to look good at a music festival, none will ever step foot on stage or have any desire too.
In a way its good because everyone here in Australia is so open about it now, kids in the gym talk about their stack like they were discussing the best protein or creatine brand to use.
How is that a good thing???
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LOL @ "attacking" !! :D
You attack everyone and everything here all the time loser.
Just an FYI,just because you post something,that doesn`t make it the truth.
Good night Maddy,don`t forget to fuck yourself.
Wes is correct here. Maddy is a piece of shit who began his/her current style of prose after reading Juruth's Jay Cutler thread. If you look at Maddy's posts previous to that time s/he was writing normally and desperately trying to be accepted, and failing miserably.
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Pages 24 & 25 of this thread (where Wes and Shizzo go at it) have been separated and turned into their own thread, as per Galeniko's request.
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wtf happened here. I checked yesterday and this thread was 28 pages.
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wtf happened here. I checked yesterday and this thread was 28 pages.
READ before you whine
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We can not allow this stuff to go one.
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No, he didn't really answer the question. I don't think either of you actually understood the question.
I didn't ask how to stick to a diet, where you get the motivation from etc etc, this diet is not that hard, stop trying to make it seem like you are conquering cancer or something its ridiculous. It was just a simple question, when on a low carb diet, is there anything that anyone does to get over the whole "brain fog". If the answer is nothing, then fine, you don't know of anything that helps, that's cool. I'm guessing you work maybe construction or something that doesn't require a lot of mental focus for long periods of time?
And secondly, to be honest i see people like Galeniko a lot these days. Here in Australia where i am, it seems the current generation are the "steroid generation" every second guy i see in their 20's are geared up for a festival or for the clubs, it is getting out of control. They have actually done 3 or 4 "special news reports" on the "epidemic" already this year...no joke.
hahaha ok 'james'. ::)
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hahaha ok 'james'. ::)
hahah ok 'no one' Galeniko is the only person who can get buy a bit of gear and cut back on some carbs...lol pathetic.
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hahah ok 'no one' Galeniko is the only person who can get buy a bit of gear and cut back on some carbs...lol pathetic.
where did i say he was the only one? since its so easy you must be ripped to fuck and beyond. feel free to post your pic and show us all what a walking anatomy chart you are.
its guys like you who talk big, thats are most apt to look like shit. im sure you dont dissapoint.
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173.2 today, leanest I have ever been at this weight. 2600 calories, and my calipers read 7-9 percent. So not much more to go.
Post pics brah.
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I am going to give you meat heads who don`t know how to cook eggs properly a tip. This is for Soft Boiled Eggs.
Be sure to use large eggs that have no cracks and are cold from the refrigerator. Because precise timing is vital to the success of this recipe. You must use a timer. You can use this method for one to six large, extra-large, or jumbo eggs without altering the timing. If you have one, a steamer basket does make the lowering the eggs into the boiling water easier. Or you can just lower them in with your hands which I do, but be careful.
INGREDIENTS
4 large eggs
Salt and pepper
METHOD
Bring 1/2 inch water to boil in medium saucepan over medium-high heat. Measure this with a ruler, it must be 1/2 inch, just stick it in there and make sure. Using tongs or hands, gently place eggs in boiling water (eggs will not be submerged). Cover saucepan and cook eggs EXACTLY for 6 1/2 minutes. No less, nor more.
Remove cover, transfer saucepan to sink, and place under cold running water for 30 seconds. Remove eggs from pan peel and serve, seasoning with salt and pepper to taste.
You can have them with bread, in a salad, with mushrooms, with rice and soy sauce....whatever.
Doing the above will yield you quick eggs at their best taste in a short amount of time and they are highly versatile. Follow it EXACTLY, no deviation.
This morning we visited my nephew at his dorm and he asked us whether we could teach him how to properly make soft boiled, scrambled and poached eggs.
We showed him our techniques used to make both scrambled and poached. For the soft boiled eggs, we walked him through Adonis' recipe and IT WORKED PERFECTLY.
Strong work Adam!
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This morning we visited my nephew at his dorm and he asked us whether we could teach him how to properly make soft boiled, scrambled and poached eggs.
We showed him our techniques used to make both scrambled and poached. For the soft boiled eggs, we walked him through Adonis' recipe and IT WORKED PERFECTLY.
Strong work Adam!
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Guess your nephew plans on eating lots of eggs. Next up, ways to fix tuna. ;D
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Guess your nephew plans on eating lots of eggs. Next up, ways to fix tuna. ;D
No. He just needed to alternate from cereal, pancakes and bagels with butter or cream cheese. He said he needed to start mixing things up and start making a well-balanced breakfast.
I think he really wants to be able to make himself scrambled eggs with bacon for breakfast and needed a little direction.
He has a meal plan, but since he has a little kitchen in his dorm room, he figured he can do for himself a little and start learning to put together little meals. For a while there, he was eating ramen noodles for dinner every day.
Kids...
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No. He just needed to alternate from cereal, pancakes and bagels with butter or cream cheese. He said he needed to start mixing things up and start making a well-balanced breakfast.
I think he really wants to be able to make himself scrambled eggs with bacon for breakfast and needed a little direction.
He has a meal plan, but since he has a little kitchen in his dorm room, he figured he can do for himself a little and start learning to put together little meals. For a while there, he was eating ramen noodles for dinner every day.
Kids...
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Wait a minute. You might be on to something One. The All Ramen Noodles diet with a multivitamin. I'm sure you can get to 5 % on that bad boy ;D
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Wait a minute. You might be on to something One. The All Ramen Noodles diet with a multivitamin. I'm sure you can get to 5 % on that bad boy ;D
I would wait for Dr. Falcon to chime in on this theory before reaching any conclusions.
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This thread is absolute gold.
Been busy shredding down and really fighting the cravings hard. Wife is pregnant as fuck with weird cravings and a repulsion for most meat, so dieting has been tough. But when I'm hungry I slam water or drink that Mio flavoured water shit (very helpful, keeps me from drinking Coke Zero), then go do yard work. 20 minutes after fighting the cravings they're gone. Abolished. Hunger = destroyed. I can continue fasting for hours, but it's not easy.
A small tangent for old time sake. I trained clean for almost a year so I could get the wife pregnant and despite renewing my work ethic in the gym, it's been tough to really commit to eating less and less. On a little bit of gear again which has helped, but hunger is all mental. I'm lean and full again but now the PEDs won't help much more unless I can really help myself first. I am back to my old conditioning and actually looking a lot better, as well as healthier (turned into a cardio machine since I couldn't get nearly the same conditioning when truly clean).
You can take ephedrine and T3 but for some people, like myself especially, it's amazingly difficult to abstain from eating and you just have to use your mental muscles to motor through it. I could take more PEDs than I've ever taken in my life but it won't help if the diet isn't in check, so there are really no shortcuts in the end. Being 10% body fat doesn't make me happy, being 8% doesn't make me happy, being 6% makes me feel okay but the satisfaction still isn't there... gotta be lean as fuck or else it's just not worth it. I look at guys online and even though they take diuretics (not worth it) and have photoshopped pictures, I don't care. I want to look better than them. And I will.
Guys like galeniko and no one know exactly what it takes. They live it. You can take them and up their PEDs, but if they start eating like shit they'll get a film of water and it'll blur things. Your muscles will lose the fullness and the cuts will fade away. You can double or triple the PEDs but all you'll get is maybe some more veins or some red skin from the blood pressure. PEDs are definitely key, but when it comes to epic leans you have to incinerate the fat. And the best way is through diet. Taking any sort of burners or cutting drugs will exhaust the body if your diet is fucked up and you will end up with that flat look most people complain about. If you're like that, you're probably not as muscled as you think or just need to accept the fact that not every day you'll look 100% picture perfect. The body fluctuates. Water flows in and out and sometimes you'll look a bit softer or less defined. Just do whatever you can to incinerate your fat and that margin of looking shitty will become smaller and smaller. Be ready to take your shirt off any time of the day. If you can't do that, you're not bodybuilding and you're just trying to fool yourself. Take your shirt off right now and if you don't feel like you're that impressive, you're not spending your time and energy wisely. With the same amount of effort, you can look amazing. So just do things properly instead of running on the spot.
All of the shit I read over the years was completely fake. A fairy tale. A fabrication. All of the stuff you read in the fitness industry is a lie. Look at fucking galeniko - look at how lean he is. Then follow his advice for a few days and stand in front of the mirror, in the morning especially before you've rehydrated or had a chance to spill over. See that? Those are epic leans. You can't get those following any of the advice in the fitness industry. Try eating a pound of chicken or red meat, hundreds of grams of carbs from brown rice or whole wheats and then take your shirt off at the end of the day. Do you look like shit? Of course! No one can eat like that and expect to look good. Throw 10 scoops of protein powder on top of that and unless you've spent the day having diarrhea and purging all the water out of your system, I guarantee you'll look like a bloated mess. You can't follow any fitness industry shit, eating 8 times a day and expect to look good. But follow the advices that galeniko laid out and you'll look great around the clock.
I accidentally discovered the powers of intermittent fasting years before it became a fad online. Commented about it on here plenty of times too. For whatever reason, galeniko's principals work and I've found scientific explanations for it. When people eat around the clock, their pancreas is working over time and cells are becoming less and less sensitive to insulin. Beta cells are disappearing and the islets of langerhans (I didn't make this word up lol) start disappearing. Beta and alpha cells aren't developed anymore. The body's insulin production gets fucked up, glucagon is fucked up, ghrelin is fucked up and somatostatin is fucked up. Your body won't be as finely tuned as it once was. You'll feel hungry when you shouldn't be, and you'll get hypo even after you've eaten what should be a sufficient amount of food. GH will even become impacted and you'll produce less, eating around the clock and suppressing it both directly and indirectly. Everything will fall to shit.
Anyone hear about the RISE studies? They're finding that using exogenous insulin and glucose disposal agents during the pre-diabetic stage (before type II diabetes) that they can stop people from becoming diabetics. Just like I theorized years ago, but fuckers on here like tbumbz and others kept saying that exogenous insulin use will fuck you up and CAUSE diabetes. Hah. Who's laughing now? Eating infrequently HELPS glucose sensitivity and protects the pancreas from burning out. Not advocating insulin use, but a small amount along with eating infrequently helps with body composition. And this corroborates with galeniko's dieting principals. Don't eat around the clock and you spend way more time burning fat. Why is that so hard to understand? You guys can either eat around the clock and look like shit, or eat the way that galeniko and others outline in this thread and get shredded as fuck. Stupid little internet pussies always beak off about "the studies say this, the studies say that"... well, look at the studies now, bitches. First off, you stupid fuckers don't know how to read the studies and interpret the results properly. Secondly, these fuckers take the studies at way more than face value. Studies can and are always flawed. Studies don't always apply to real life the same way they do in a controlled environment. So while it's nice to see scientific studies, don't take them too seriously. Go toy with your ebattles on bodybuilding.com but guys that are serious about bodybuilding already know what it takes and don't need a study to back it up. They use pictures and videos instead. Guys that have no avatar or pictures and fight tooth and nail should just be ignored. Someone like galeniko can win the battle simply by lifting his shirt up, taking a few pictures and uploading them online. No words need to be exchanged, just some pictures. They speak for themselves.
In any event, been spending a bit of time going back and forth adding to this while I kill time at work. This post definitely won't have any polish and looks really fragmented now that I skim over it, but fuck it. Just wanted to ride on gal's coat tails for a second and recline to what he's saying. Getting in trouble for non-work related browsing so I probably won't respond for a while. But I will post some pictures once I'm super conditioned again. Didn't mean to suck gal's dick so hard in this thread but it needed to be done. He's given you guys the key to epic leans so you can either listen to him and get shredded, or follow the advice of people that post on sites like bodybuilding.com and either look like shit, or take a boatload of PEDs which they're too ashamed to disclose. I choose to listen to the guys here who give advice that you can emulate and see results within a week.
Hope everyone's having a good summer. 8)
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This thread is absolute gold.
Been busy shredding down and really fighting the cravings hard. Wife is pregnant as fuck with weird cravings and a repulsion for most meat, so dieting has been tough. But when I'm hungry I slam water or drink that Mio flavoured water shit (very helpful, keeps me from drinking Coke Zero), then go do yard work. 20 minutes after fighting the cravings they're gone. Abolished. Hunger = destroyed. I can continue fasting for hours, but it's not easy.
A small tangent for old time sake. I trained clean for almost a year so I could get the wife pregnant and despite renewing my work ethic in the gym, it's been tough to really commit to eating less and less. On a little bit of gear again which has helped, but hunger is all mental. I'm lean and full again but now the PEDs won't help much more unless I can really help myself first. I am back to my old conditioning and actually looking a lot better, as well as healthier (turned into a cardio machine since I couldn't get nearly the same conditioning when truly clean).
You can take ephedrine and T3 but for some people, like myself especially, it's amazingly difficult to abstain from eating and you just have to use your mental muscles to motor through it. I could take more PEDs than I've ever taken in my life but it won't help if the diet isn't in check, so there are really no shortcuts in the end. Being 10% body fat doesn't make me happy, being 8% doesn't make me happy, being 6% makes me feel okay but the satisfaction still isn't there... gotta be lean as fuck or else it's just not worth it. I look at guys online and even though they take diuretics (not worth it) and have photoshopped pictures, I don't care. I want to look better than them. And I will.
Guys like galeniko and no one know exactly what it takes. They live it. You can take them and up their PEDs, but if they start eating like shit they'll get a film of water and it'll blur things. Your muscles will lose the fullness and the cuts will fade away. You can double or triple the PEDs but all you'll get is maybe some more veins or some red skin from the blood pressure. PEDs are definitely key, but when it comes to epic leans you have to incinerate the fat. And the best way is through diet. Taking any sort of burners or cutting drugs will exhaust the body if your diet is fucked up and you will end up with that flat look most people complain about. If you're like that, you're probably not as muscled as you think or just need to accept the fact that not every day you'll look 100% picture perfect. The body fluctuates. Water flows in and out and sometimes you'll look a bit softer or less defined. Just do whatever you can to incinerate your fat and that margin of looking shitty will become smaller and smaller. Be ready to take your shirt off any time of the day. If you can't do that, you're not bodybuilding and you're just trying to fool yourself. Take your shirt off right now and if you don't feel like you're that impressive, you're not spending your time and energy wisely. With the same amount of effort, you can look amazing. So just do things properly instead of running on the spot.
All of the shit I read over the years was completely fake. A fairy tale. A fabrication. All of the stuff you read in the fitness industry is a lie. Look at fucking galeniko - look at how lean he is. Then follow his advice for a few days and stand in front of the mirror, in the morning especially before you've rehydrated or had a chance to spill over. See that? Those are epic leans. You can't get those following any of the advice in the fitness industry. Try eating a pound of chicken or red meat, hundreds of grams of carbs from brown rice or whole wheats and then take your shirt off at the end of the day. Do you look like shit? Of course! No one can eat like that and expect to look good. Throw 10 scoops of protein powder on top of that and unless you've spent the day having diarrhea and purging all the water out of your system, I guarantee you'll look like a bloated mess. You can't follow any fitness industry shit, eating 8 times a day and expect to look good. But follow the advices that galeniko laid out and you'll look great around the clock.
I accidentally discovered the powers of intermittent fasting years before it became a fad online. Commented about it on here plenty of times too. For whatever reason, galeniko's principals work and I've found scientific explanations for it. When people eat around the clock, their pancreas is working over time and cells are becoming less and less sensitive to insulin. Beta cells are disappearing and the islets of langerhans (I didn't make this word up lol) start disappearing. Beta and alpha cells aren't developed anymore. The body's insulin production gets fucked up, glucagon is fucked up, ghrelin is fucked up and somatostatin is fucked up. Your body won't be as finely tuned as it once was. You'll feel hungry when you shouldn't be, and you'll get hypo even after you've eaten what should be a sufficient amount of food. GH will even become impacted and you'll produce less, eating around the clock and suppressing it both directly and indirectly. Everything will fall to shit.
Anyone hear about the RISE studies? They're finding that using exogenous insulin and glucose disposal agents during the pre-diabetic stage (before type II diabetes) that they can stop people from becoming diabetics. Just like I theorized years ago, but fuckers on here like tbumbz and others kept saying that exogenous insulin use will fuck you up and CAUSE diabetes. Hah. Who's laughing now? Eating infrequently HELPS glucose sensitivity and protects the pancreas from burning out. Not advocating insulin use, but a small amount along with eating infrequently helps with body composition. And this corroborates with galeniko's dieting principals. Don't eat around the clock and you spend way more time burning fat. Why is that so hard to understand? You guys can either eat around the clock and look like shit, or eat the way that galeniko and others outline in this thread and get shredded as fuck. Stupid little internet pussies always beak off about "the studies say this, the studies say that"... well, look at the studies now, bitches. First off, you stupid fuckers don't know how to read the studies and interpret the results properly. Secondly, these fuckers take the studies at way more than face value. Studies can and are always flawed. Studies don't always apply to real life the same way they do in a controlled environment. So while it's nice to see scientific studies, don't take them too seriously. Go toy with your ebattles on bodybuilding.com but guys that are serious about bodybuilding already know what it takes and don't need a study to back it up. They use pictures and videos instead. Guys that have no avatar or pictures and fight tooth and nail should just be ignored. Someone like galeniko can win the battle simply by lifting his shirt up, taking a few pictures and uploading them online. No words need to be exchanged, just some pictures. They speak for themselves.
In any event, been spending a bit of time going back and forth adding to this while I kill time at work. This post definitely won't have any polish and looks really fragmented now that I skim over it, but fuck it. Just wanted to ride on gal's coat tails for a second and recline to what he's saying. Getting in trouble for non-work related browsing so I probably won't respond for a while. But I will post some pictures once I'm super conditioned again. Didn't mean to suck gal's dick so hard in this thread but it needed to be done. He's given you guys the key to epic leans so you can either listen to him and get shredded, or follow the advice of people that post on sites like bodybuilding.com and either look like shit, or take a boatload of PEDs which they're too ashamed to disclose. I choose to listen to the guys here who give advice that you can emulate and see results within a week.
Hope everyone's having a good summer. 8)
Do I even have to say it? Meltdown.
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You didnt need to and you shouldnt have.
Stop fucking around in Galenikos thread you ball bag
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You didnt need to and you shouldnt have.
Stop fucking around in Galenikos thread you ball bag
You want to play with the big fish? Call me out then. Otherwise, please leave like you promised months ago.
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I will have you hitting the bottle again in no time.
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I will have you hitting the bottle again in no time.
No you won't. I will ask the tough questions. Like, "Where's the face pic?", and "I don't see a sign!"
What separates you from the rest of the gimmicks? How real do you want to get? Shouldn't you be in bed UKjeff?
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No you won't. I will ask the tough questions. Like, "Where's the face pic?", and "I don't see a sign!"
What separates you from the rest of the gimmicks? How real do you want to get? Shouldn't you be in bed UKjeff?
I wont post a face pic because you want me to.
A sign, you mean a piece of paper saying "fuck off shizzo"?
Im not going to bed with you, you're not my type, booze breath.
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I wont post a face pic because you want me to.
A sign, you mean a piece of paper saying "fuck off shizzo"?
Im not going to bed with you, you're not my type, booze breath.
I figured you would say that. UKcunt.
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I figured you would say that. UKcunt.
meltdown
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meltdown
Lol! Touche :D
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This morning we visited my nephew at his dorm and he asked us whether we could teach him how to properly make soft boiled, scrambled and poached eggs.
We showed him our techniques used to make both scrambled and poached. For the soft boiled eggs, we walked him through Adonis' recipe and IT WORKED PERFECTLY.
Strong work Adam!
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Thank you OMR for quoting Adam's post and conveniently finding it for me. I've been wondering where I seen it earlier and looking for it.
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This thread is absolute gold.
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So...eat 1-2 times a day and thats it?
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So...eat 1-2 times a day and thats it?
Caloric deficit will give you abs. Caloric deficit plus steroids, will give you abs and muscles. Boom.
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put down the bottle shittzo
I accidentally discovered the powers of intermittent fasting years before it became a fad online. Commented about it on here plenty of times too. For whatever reason, galeniko's principals work and I've found scientific explanations for it. When people eat around the clock, their pancreas is working over time and cells are becoming less and less sensitive to insulin. Beta cells are disappearing and the islets of langerhans (I didn't make this word up lol) start disappearing. Beta and alpha cells aren't developed anymore. The body's insulin production gets fucked up, glucagon is fucked up, ghrelin is fucked up and somatostatin is fucked up. Your body won't be as finely tuned as it once was. You'll feel hungry when you shouldn't be, and you'll get hypo even after you've eaten what should be a sufficient amount of food. GH will even become impacted and you'll produce less, eating around the clock and suppressing it both directly and indirectly. Everything will fall to shit.
Anyone hear about the RISE studies? They're finding that using exogenous insulin and glucose disposal agents during the pre-diabetic stage (before type II diabetes) that they can stop people from becoming diabetics. Just like I theorized years ago, but fuckers on here like tbumbz and others kept saying that exogenous insulin use will fuck you up and CAUSE diabetes. Hah. Who's laughing now? Eating infrequently HELPS glucose sensitivity and protects the pancreas from burning out. Not advocating insulin use, but a small amount along with eating infrequently helps with body composition. And this corroborates with galeniko's dieting principals. Don't eat around the clock and you spend way more time burning fat. Why is that so hard to understand? You guys can either eat around the clock and look like shit, or eat the way that galeniko and others outline in this thread and get shredded as fuck.
fuck it...
One to two big meals a day and the human body works more efficiently in processing food, releasing gh and insulin?
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not sure if james knows, but getbig knows , the galeniko guy has been in very close to competition shape for 2and half years straight, ever since dieting down from the famous fatleniko pic.
sure , this is what you see every day everywhere, its an epidemic,in austraila where james lives, just nowhere else in thewhole world,must be thegood weather there ::)
so yeah here we have a guy who asks questions on how to what this and that, but he knows better anyway.
heres layed out ,almost everything, how you get into the shape as quick and effective as possible, and how you keep it,while getting away with eating icecream,chokolate and whatver you want, but james knows its nothing special, its an epidemic of galenikos where he lives, its just that the recipe how to do it hasnt crossed hiw path yet.
oh and noone, hes the other one who does exactly the same thing,pretty much and stays in that shape at all times, lays experiences worth more than a dcade of try and fail attempts until figuring things out, and james sees an epidemic.
oh brother ;D using the term epidemic.insanity.
shozzo fuck off to your alc thread, where you belong,its been moved just for andbecause of you. choke on semen-alc liqor you clown.
oh and the interment fasting method has fuck all to do with this diet.
What is wrong with you Gal? You seem cold all of a sudden. Why the hate towards me? All of us can coexist on here.
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No. He just needed to alternate from cereal, pancakes and bagels with butter or cream cheese. He said he needed to start mixing things up and start making a well-balanced breakfast.
I think he really wants to be able to make himself scrambled eggs with bacon for breakfast and needed a little direction.
He has a meal plan, but since he has a little kitchen in his dorm room, he figured he can do for himself a little and start learning to put together little meals. For a while there, he was eating ramen noodles for dinner every day.
Kids...
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-Smart man. Variety is the spice of life, especially when it comes to food.
I don't know how you taught him to scramble eggs, but my family insists that I fix the eggs when they are scrambled. My trick is the scramble them on really low heat and as soon as they are cooks and still very moist serve them. Another trick of mine is season them in the pan. I use kosher salt, fresh ground pepper and a light sprinkling of chervil. This is so crazy because normally I have no patience and scrambling eggs this way takes a really long time compared to the quick "down and dirty" scramble.
The way to cook bacon to perfection is to bake it in the oven. This also requires time. Set the oven to 400 degrees and preheat it. Lay out the bacon on a broiler pan so it can drain as it cooks. It takes about a half hour to cook. When it comes out it is evenly browned, very crispy and not the least bit greasy. I learned this method from a chain restaurant called Elmer's. Not that I ever worked there, but their bacon was always cooked to perfection, so I asked how they fixed it.
For a really healthy and relatively easy breakfast, make a frittata; eggs, cheese and a lot of vegetables and you have a real winner. You start it like an omelet and finish it in the oven. Left overs make a great and healthy sandwich too.
I could go on because breakfast is my favorite meal. There are so many wonderful ways to prepare eggs. Since you taught your nephew how to fix poached eggs, you could augment this by teaching him how to fix eggs Florentine which is basically, from the bottom up, toasted English muffin, sautéed fresh spinach, poached eggs, all topped with hollandaise sauce and sprinkled with a little cayenne pepper. This is a dish to die for, except it is healthy and won't kill you. Hollandaise sauce is a bit heavy on saturated fats, but hey, what is life and eating for, if not some enjoyment.
For the uninitiated, hollandaise sauce is made from egg yokes, butter, lemon juice and a little cayenne pepper. Many people are afraid of making egg thickened sauces because if you do it wrong you end up with scrambled eggs. However, if one follows the directions to a tee, they end up with a sauce that is magnificent. Oh and don't bother with the shit they call hollandaise sauce in restaurants. It is total crap compared to the real thing which is generally only found in very high end restaurants.
Sorry, I like to cook as if you couldn't tell.
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cool thread,informative thread,and at times usual interfeuding thread,,,
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Oh and don't bother with the shit they call hollandaise sauce in restaurants.
Qft. Always out of a jar. Amazes me they have the sack to serve it.
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This morning we visited my nephew at his dorm and he asked us whether we could teach him how to properly make soft boiled, scrambled and poached eggs.
We showed him our techniques used to make both scrambled and poached. For the soft boiled eggs, we walked him through Adonis' recipe and IT WORKED PERFECTLY.
Strong work Adam!
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Glad to see it put to use. Believe it or not Consistent Soft-Boiled Eggs are one of the things even chefs have the most trouble with. This method ensures it every single time.
Soft Boiled are awesome as the protein in is not denatured.
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Glad to see it put to use. Believe it or not Consistent Soft-Boiled Eggs are one of the things even chefs have the most trouble with. This method ensures it every single time.
Soft Boiled are awesome as the protein in is not denatured.
Thank you for the recipe TA.
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Qft. Always out of a jar. Amazes me they have the sack to serve it.
Out of the jar and tasting nothing like real hollandaise sauce. I suspect inexperienced chefs are afraid of egg thicken sauces, plus their employers won't allow them the time to make them from scratch.
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I am going to give you meat heads who don`t know how to cook eggs properly a tip. This is for Soft Boiled Eggs.
Be sure to use large eggs that have no cracks and are cold from the refrigerator. Because precise timing is vital to the success of this recipe. You must use a timer. You can use this method for one to six large, extra-large, or jumbo eggs without altering the timing. If you have one, a steamer basket does make the lowering the eggs into the boiling water easier. Or you can just lower them in with your hands which I do, but be careful.
INGREDIENTS
4 large eggs
Salt and pepper
METHOD
Bring 1/2 inch water to boil in medium saucepan over medium-high heat. Measure this with a ruler, it must be 1/2 inch, just stick it in there and make sure. Using tongs or hands, gently place eggs in boiling water (eggs will not be submerged). Cover saucepan and cook eggs EXACTLY for 6 1/2 minutes. No less, nor more.
Remove cover, transfer saucepan to sink, and place under cold running water for 30 seconds. Remove eggs from pan peel and serve, seasoning with salt and pepper to taste.
You can have them with bread, in a salad, with mushrooms, with rice and soy sauce....whatever.
Doing the above will yield you quick eggs at their best taste in a short amount of time and they are highly versatile. Follow it EXACTLY, no deviation.
Thank you for this recipe. My wife, the cook extraordinaire when asked did not have a method for cooking perfect soft boiled eggs (I think she simply forgot). I read her your recipe and her comment was, "we'll have to try this." I like my yokes just a little on the sticky side of runny and the white fully cooked. What I particularly love is soft boiled eggs on lightly toasted bread broken up in a bowl with lots of salt and pepper.
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not sure if james knows, but getbig knows , the galeniko guy has been in very close to competition shape for 2and half years straight, ever since dieting down from the famous fatleniko pic.
sure , this is what you see every day everywhere, its an epidemic,in austraila where james lives, just nowhere else in thewhole world,must be thegood weather there ::)
so yeah here we have a guy who asks questions on how to what this and that, but he knows better anyway.
heres layed out ,almost everything, how you get into the shape as quick and effective as possible, and how you keep it,while getting away with eating icecream,chokolate and whatver you want, but james knows its nothing special, its an epidemic of galenikos where he lives, its just that the recipe how to do it hasnt crossed hiw path yet.
oh and noone, hes the other one who does exactly the same thing,pretty much and stays in that shape at all times, lays experiences worth more than a dcade of try and fail attempts until figuring things out, and james sees an epidemic.
oh brother ;D using the term epidemic.insanity.
shozzo fuck off to your alc thread, where you belong,its been moved just for andbecause of you. choke on semen-alc liqor you clown.
oh and the interment fasting method has fuck all to do with this diet.
Hahah classic. Maybe its time you eat a sandwich or something, clearly you have trouble understanding a simple question...retard. ;)
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Cswols on the next page
LOL
But fuck you for screwing with my delusion. I might be on page 1, but damn, do I need to lose a lot of lard still.
Doing the Adonis/Galeniko diet now: no cheat days, kcal below maintenance, not counting macros, not sitting on my ass all day. See you all in 15%... As I have to go from about 30 to 15. :-X
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btw, something just occured to me, haha.
whats the guys name hangclean, about the rebound.
so he needs the diet drugs t3(say goodbye to your thyroid if unlucky)and efedrina and what ever else he listed i forgot.
yeah, what does that say about his diet ;D ;D
on the galeniko-noone method, no dieting drugs required
and on the topic of muscle loss while dieting, you think dieting will make one lose more muscle than missing workouts or missing couple propionate shots and where do they go when lost?do they get feet and walk away?
what would happen with those "lost" muscle if one increases calories for a meal or day?
comeone,ppl talking about muscle loss, this is akin to fatsos asking for best recipe for bulking,haha
today in the gym a permabulker asked me how to get rid of some "bits" of fat ,haha, i told him to eat less.
he jumps the discussion,with his weak excuse"but i do some running,man",i interrupt him with clear stare in eyes andtell him "You can run however much you want ,if you dont stop eating whatever you eat now, you wont lose fat.does that make any sense for you"
he said yeah, he "figured".
lol @ his "but i do some running".the fatsos ALWAYS ALWAYS have any excuse ready to justify their swine-like eating habits.
if you cant flex it, dont carry it.
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dude your traps are striated. lol. that's ridiculous. but you can't walk 2 feet in Australia according to 'James' without bumping into a guy as lean as that. it's an epidemic he says. :D
here's the problem and here's where James shows his ignorance and lack of experience yet feels the need to diminish your accomplishments. there is a WORLD of difference between 7-8% which is what he prolly sees with frequency- someone can acheive that percentage just by exercising moderately, controlling their cals somewhat and doing a bit of cardio. it's not necessarily hard work but will take some time depending on what kind of shape you are in.
going from 7-8% down to the bf level galeniko is displaying here (4-5%) is NOT easy. there are not guys 'everywhere' this lean. this is another level of dedication and busting your ass to get this kind of conditioning. the word suffering comes to mind. it's only 3% or so difference. but it's the toughest 3% you'll ever lose.
so when I hear a guy like James spout off nonsense like that I just kinda gotta smile. cause not only is he not 5% he's not 7-8% either cause he would have tried in the past to get there and would have seen how hard it is. i can also tell he doesnt train that hard either for the same reasons. I doubt he's even 10% so we'll just disregard his opinions as non-valid when it comes to an educated discussion on rapid militant fat loss.
so that being said heres what is problematic for even most guys who train and diet- they fight and fight and fight to get to this kind of conditioning. and they manage to hold it for what, a day? gal has been within 2 weeks of this shape for the past 2 years! but I bet there's tons of guys who 'diet' on 1800-2400 cals in this board right now reading this. why haven't you looked like this for the past 2 years, instead of on just one day? why are you having such. hard time now achieving this type of conditioning? ask yourself those questions, sit back and re evaluate your dieting strategy. how many years have you been following your 2k cal diets? how many minutes do you spend doing cardio? what do you look like today? are you always seeming to be 'dieting'? how many times in your life have you been in the condition gal has displayed and for how many days (I'm not talking 6% here kids. I'm talking 4-5. I'm sure there's guys reading this who are 6. ever been this lean? for how long?) what is all this telling you? what you are doing IS NOT OPTIMAL.
if you want to continue banging your heads hoping that one day you'll magically wake up shredded after YEARS of doing the same things, following the same 2k cal diets go ahead. it's your business. but it's because your following this thread should tell you your diets are not optimal and in 2-3 years down the road your still going to look the same, still banging your heads. I don't even care anymore to be honest with what you do. what irks me is the resistance to this method. you fuckers haven't held this type of conditioning for more than one day in your lives and struggle to get there and prolly walk around all year long at 8-10% or better but yet have the audacity to put down the validity of this method all the while having never tried it, all based on the fact you got lean once for a show. lol .
but such is life I suppose. nobody wants to be wrong. there. a big payoff in 'being right' that's why it's do hard to give up what you know, cause fuck me, heaven forbid you admit there something out there better than what you are doing. lol
but no. it doesn't work. your way is so much better.
you can all return to your previously scheduled uneventful boring long diets. this message has been brought to you by the creators of the 'galeniko-no one method'. :D
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wider than Phil Heath ;)
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I agree no drugs are needed to get lean. T3,clen,ECA all dangerous. Not worth it if you do not compete. If there is no rush it is best to get lean just by dieting and doing cardio and working out. Alot of guys are just lazy and looking for short-cutts.
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One lasix stage ready
And one stool softener :D
Sorry Gal, couldn't resist....you know you're my negroe....LOL
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And one stool softener :D
Sorry Gal, couldn't resist....you know you're my negroe....LOL
you and gal are like twins
he is even better at making every thread about him than you
he even shoehorns videos into threads
he is your protege
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When I was younger 16yrs old to 22 yrs old I was always at 6%. I was not happy with how much mass I was carrying though so I started using steroids about a year later and my goal was to gain alot of mass and weight. I of course knew my bodyfat was going to go up but I did not care. I was able to gain 18 labs of pure muscle after I cutt the water weight. So I technically gained way more then 18 pounds and after I cutt my water weight wich was not much I had a 29In waist and was back around 6-8% but I have never honestly been in the 4% BF range that takes some crazy dedication and genetics I just do not have.
5-6% is the leanest I ever got and some of you are right just that extra 1% BF can be hard as fuck to get down to. I think since I have suffered dramatically dieting I could do it now that I am older but no way in hell I could or would want to stay that lean for more then a week. I just know my body would not feel good being that lean. Plus I would be grumpy and irritable all the time. hell right now i am at 8% and I feel great. I am not even down to my 6% yet but at this age to my it does not matter. if I think I am putting to much stress on my body bit is not worth all of that! I don't get paid to be lean and massive.
Much respect top all the guys who can get sub 6% and stay that way for more then a month or two.Believe I have been in the trenches barely eating or drinking water for 10 days and it was horrible and I still couldn't get sub 5%-6%. Like I said much respect to anybody who can keep that BF % level for months at a time. It is extremely hard work.
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I've been training for over 15 years. I have trained at some hardcore gyms over the years and trained with top NPC bodybuilders for years on end. I used to attend as many bodybuilding shows a year as i could. The funny thing is that i can count on one hand the amount of people I've met who stay in the condition Galeniko is in for months at a time. Sure I've met a lot of guys who get this lean to compete and then a few weeks later it's all gone, but staying this lean is very rare.
There are not guys walking around like this on a daily basis. Most bodybuilders who compete in the amateur ranks aren't this lean. Gal could walk onto a stage in 2 weeks and be the leanest guy in the contest. The best part is that he is backing up every single word with pics and we have guys like OTH and noone proving this works as well.
Getting down to his bodyfat is not easy, it takes a lot of mental work, but once you can control your appetite it's not so bad. No T3, clen or fat burners makes this even more incredible.
I can hold steady at 7-8% BF easily with some cardio, but anything lower than that takes a lot of dedication.
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Sitting tends to be the most unflattering position for midsection bodyfat. When you're at 6%, is there any fat accumulation around the middle when sitting?
As an aside, ten days in and I'm loving this diet. Not missing white carbs at all and no loss of energy. I'm 48, btw. For those who think age makes no difference, ask yourselves why there are no 48 year olds playing in the NBA Finals.
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I've been training for over 15 years. I have trained at some hardcore gyms over the years and trained with top NPC bodybuilders for years on end. I used to attend as many bodybuilding shows a year as i could. The funny thing is that i can count on one hand the amount of people I've met who stay in the condition Galeniko is in for months at a time. Sure I've met a lot of guys who get this lean to compete and then a few weeks later it's all gone, but staying this lean is very rare.
There are not guys walking around like this on a daily basis. Most bodybuilders who compete in the amateur ranks aren't this lean. Gal could walk onto a stage in 2 weeks and be the leanest guy in the contest. The best part is that he is backing up every single word with pics and we have guys like OTH and noone proving this works as well.
Getting down to his bodyfat is not easy, it takes a lot of mental work, but once you can control your appetite it's not so bad. No T3, clen or fat burners makes this even more incredible.
I can hold steady at 7-8% BF easily with some cardio, but anything lower than that takes a lot of dedication.
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and genetics...plus some chemical help, which is OK!
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and genetics...plus some chemical help, which is OK!
That's true as well, a good friend of mine is extremely lean and has been since we were in high school. All he does is play basketball a few nights a week and he's about 6% BF. Doesn't even lift weights.
T3 and GH seem to help me get lean a lot faster than other methods, but my diet dictates the results for the most part. I'm a big cardio guy, but i can still get lean without it if i'm eating low calories.
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you and gal are like twins
he is even better at making every thread about him than you
he even shoehorns videos into threads
he is your protege
No way.... this guy killls Groink. Groink has never been that ripped in his life and never will be. He has every right to make the thread abou thim as he has the balls to post his pics in a thread that someone else started asking what he does.
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No way.... this guy killls Groink. Groink has never been that ripped in his life and never will be. He has every right to make the thread abou thim as he has the balls to post his pics in a thread that someone else started asking what he does.
im not hating he is one of my favourite posters which he knows so is groink
i stand by my statement
he can turn any thread into a thread about how great he is
good on him its the get big way 8)
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Holy Bro science gone wild in this thread.
Best diet is Low cals + time. That's all. if you want to be lean by July 4th, then too fucking bad, you should have thought about that in January.
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No way.... this guy killls Groink. Groink has never been that ripped in his life and never will be. He has every right to make the thread abou thim as he has the balls to post his pics in a thread that someone else started asking what he does.
Not what Bigmc is talking about.
...he's talking about their ego's.
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Not what Bigmc is talking about.
...he's talking about their ego's.
I guess posting pics is ego driven but I like it. Makes this place interesting, I don't want to read paragraphs of shit you guys spew all day without seeing what you look like. Picture is worth 2k posts on getbig to me.
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I guess posting pics is ego driven but I like it. Makes this place interesting, I don't want to read paragraphs of shit you guys spew all day without seeing what you look like. Picture is worth 2k posts on getbig to me.
X2 ..I post pics on any update or bodypart threads,,,i write as much as I can,,,just not as technical as gali/no one/Adonis/disgusted at explaining the facts or #'a,,let build do the talking.
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Holy Bro science gone wild in this thread.
Best diet is Low cals + time. That's all. if you want to be lean by July 4th, then too fucking bad, you should have thought about that in January.
how is it 'broscience'? and why are you throwing that word around when it isn't even remotely applicable?
this is two guys laying out a very real, highly intense and results driven fat loss protocol that compresses the amount of time one needs to dedicate to getting to ultra low bf levels.
there is nothing broscience about it. it's two guys doing it and telling you how to do it thru experience, not what ifs or technically speakings. if you'd like to participate in the discussion or have something to share that's worthwhile please do but leave bullshit posts like this out if it.
broscience. ::)
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how is it 'broscience'? and why are you throwing that word around when it isn't even remotely applicable?
this is two guys laying out a very real, highly intense and results driven fat loss protocol that compresses the amount of time one needs to dedicate to getting to ultra low bf levels.
there is nothing broscience about it. it's two guys doing it and telling you how to do it.
broscience. ::)
true,,
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I guess posting pics is ego driven but I like it. Makes this place interesting, I don't want to read paragraphs of shit you guys spew all day without seeing what you look like. Picture is worth 2k posts on getbig to me.
fuck ya. it's motivational. to read about something like this and see a guy showing you almost daily the changes he's making doing exactly what he says he's doing.
the pics are necessary. you know me I hate posting pics. but when one stand up and says 'this is the fastest most complete way to strip bf off your body' he'd better stand up and deliver. esp on this board. and props to gal for grinding it out and taking the time to do so.
also, it verifies that what is being said works. you can not argue his results. you can not say it doesn't work the way it's laid out. everyone has theory's and ideas on this board about training and diet. they are a dime a dozen. there's no 'I'll post pics when I get in shape I'm almost there' here cause it works. period.
Gal stepped up and shut a lot of people up. proved what he's doing works. he brought and continues to bring his A game while others still wallow in mediocrity.
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Too many stories about this guy and this guy and that guy. But you need to also look at where they started. A naturally skinny kid who decided to lift weights and is ripped will have an easier time with 2000 calories or 2500 or whatever, than someone who had to do the opposite and lose weight to get into shape. plus some of you guys with your hummingbird physiques of a massive 165 pounds make me laugh about your diet ailments. Give me a fucking break.
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Too many stories about this guy and this guy and that guy. But you need to also look at where they started. A naturally skinny kid who decided to lift weights and is ripped will have an easier time with 2000 calories or 2500 or whatever, than someone who had to do the opposite and lose weight to get into shape. plus some of you guys with your hummingbird physiques of a massive 165 pounds make me laugh about your diet ailments. Give me a fucking break.
what the fuck are you talking about?
what does anything you just wrote have anything to do with what Gal and I are sharing herel?
we are not taking about using 2000cal or 2400cal. show me one post gal or I have made that says to diet on 2000-2400 cals. what the fuck are you even talking about?
try reading the thread dildo and educating yourself on what's going on before spouting off your nonsense cause there is nothing in your post that is neither intelligent or insightful. it's not even argumentative cause it has nothing to do with anything. it's just a rambling bunch of disconnected stupidity that doesn't make sense.
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what the fuck are you talking about?
what does anything you just wrote have anything to do with what Gal and I are sharing herel?
we are not taking about using 2000cal or 2400cal. show me one post gal or I have made that says to diet on 2000-2400 cals. what the fuck are you even talking about?
try reading the thread dildo and educating yourself on what's going on before spouting off your nonsense cause there is nothing in your post that is neither intelligent or insightful. it's not even argumentative cause it has nothing to do with anything. it's just a rambling bunch of disconnected stupidity that doesn't make sense.
perhaps if you took a minute to educate yourself on this and then form an opinion on that knowledge we could have what I hope would be a sensical discussion. but to carry in like you are just makes you look a tool.
come back when you have something to say that makes sense.
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blah blah, whine whine, blah blah waaaaaaa
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hahahaha exactly.
thanks for coming out, stupid.
now, kindly run along before you get a further beating.
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Not what Bigmc is talking about.
...he's talking about their ego's.
I know. Old habits die hard i guess. I haven't posted a pic in a year and don't jump into every physique and update thread...and TRUST me, it's not because I "can't" ;). I'm into my 8th week of 500 mgs tren ace, 200 mgs test prop, the shit is in FULL effect....i just don't care anymore, and Don't feel the desire to post pics...I guess I'm getting old and mellowing....49 in two weeks.
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galeniko and groink are simply awesome
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Galeniko should do an EPIC MEAL TIME episode.
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this thread is awesome ;D
galeniko, what kind of training do you do on this diet? frequence of workout, etc?
high volume, short rest?
ps. thanks btw for the tips you gave me by PM ;D
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and i can do this in some frequency that boggles the mind and stay in this shape ,as long i follow some rules.
How often and what rules? ;D
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ok, seen the vid and pics above?
now look what you can get away with when so lean, and youll see ill maintain this condition for however long i please.
this is what ive eaten yesterday,i could take pics of the empty packagings but i think theres no need(who dont believe will say thats just the packagings etc):
ok here goes:
-500gramms chicken breast, 2lbs veggies total of 800cals
-2 lbs of caramel soft icecream 1300cals
-10 various chocolate bars,each 300cals,thats 3300cals
-those above chocolate bars have been eaten with 2lbsof bread on which ive put extra butter, no idea how many calories that is
-1pizza 1000cals
-sausages(2) with bread and mayo and ketchup. and 2 chinese spring rolls,thatll be at very least 500cals
-10 various icecreams of average 300cal each, thatll be another 3000cals.
thats it , i wonder if the other diets allow such meals, yes that was 1 meal.
thats roughly 10k calories.
and i can do this in some frequency that boggles the mind and stay in this shape ,as long i follow some rules.
i dont need "couple few carbs daily"to feel good blabla.i rather have whatever i want and as much as i want,rather than some carbs or fats, restricting myself for half a year to lose couple lbs of fat and maybe permanenetly damage thyroid with t3, or do mindless hours of cardio.
some people dont seem to know why pros use carbs in their diets, its certainly fuck all to do with feeling better.
hope this helps.
How can you possibly eat that much?
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-500gramms chicken breast, 2lbs veggies total of 800cals
-2 lbs of caramel soft icecream 1300cals
-10 various chocolate bars,each 300cals,thats 3300cals
-those above chocolate bars have been eaten with 2lbsof bread on which ive put extra butter, no idea how many calories that is
-1pizza 1000cals
-sausages(2) with bread and mayo and ketchup. and 2 chinese spring rolls,thatll be at very least 500cals
-10 various icecreams of average 300cal each, thatll be another 3000cals.
thats it , i wonder if the other diets allow such meals, yes that was 1 meal.
thats roughly 10k calories.
lol
goddamn. :D
see, I know what I can eat, and I've seen xfactor eat but this is another level.
there's a lot of caveats to this. you mentioned one if them. being lean to begin with. but on the way down to this bf level meals up to 3k of whatever you want every few days is pretty normal. but if your a lard ass or a lazy trainer/ dieter and are using food for comfort instead of for a distinct purpose, guess what? you'll fail. part of this involves knowing when to do it, and how much to consume. these are not static variables once you get down past 6% as we are both discovering whereas maintaining 7% and up and dieting down to that number there isn't a lot of manipulation and the basic tenants of the method we've outlined apply- 3-4 days 800-1000cal. one big meal before bed of maintenance cals of whatever you want. rinse cycle repeat.
we talked in pm about this. certain things happen in the body in this diet once you hit 6 and lower that we aren't going to go into detail on here. lets just say there are certain times and frequencies that you can do this and certain times your body will not allow it.
there's actually a lot of note comparing going on. and exactly everything we are each doing apart coincides with the results we are both experiencing which only goes to further validate in my mind the efficacy of this system it's not just individual you couldn't meet more different people genetically than gal and I. he responds to carbs. I respond to fats. I have very unstable blood sugar. his levels are solid. I am using minuscule amounts of anabolics and gh. gal isn't using gh. neither of us like fat burners. he likes whole foods. I prefer 3 things and not eating for taste.
but we are both experiencing the same results despite having two very different systems and different needs within the system. this only goes to further cement we have a very novel, applicable approach that can be tailored to each user, but still supplies the same results to all users despite those differences.
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this thread is awesome ;D
galeniko, what kind of training do you do on this diet? frequence of workout, etc?
high volume, short rest?
ps. thanks btw for the tips you gave me by PM ;D
oh shit that's the other thing we do differently.
we train differently as well. but the same way in some ways. it'll all be outlined at a later date.
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Been following the thread from the start, you and gal are rewiring my approach!
Made great progress already, will post pics soon 8)
3-4 days 800-1000cal. one big meal before bed of maintenance cals of whatever you want. rinse cycle repeat.
Do you mean, 3-4 days of strict protein, cabs from vegs and low fats...and then a meal of ANYTHING on the 5th day, amounting to maintenance cals?
Thanks man
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Been following the thread from the start, you and gal are rewiring my approach!
Made great progress already, will post pics soon 8)
Do you mean, 3-4 days of strict protein, cabs from vegs and low fats...and then a meal of ANYTHING on the 5th day, amounting to maintenance cals?
Thanks man
Why not eat anything you want everyday, amounting to maintenance Cals? That is the Adonis Principles. I use it, Vince Goodrum uses it, the proof is in our results.
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Why not eat anything you want everyday, amounting to maintenance Cals? That is the Adonis Principles. I use it, Vince Goodrum uses it, the proof is in our results.
What about the shizzo principles, necking cheap liquor and posting drivel?
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What about the shizzo principles, necking cheap liquor and posting drivel?
Ah! Those principles. They have only allowed me to become the King Of Getbig.
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Been following the thread from the start, you and gal are rewiring my approach!
Made great progress already, will post pics soon 8)
Do you mean, 3-4 days of strict protein, cabs from vegs and low fats...and then a meal of ANYTHING on the 5th day, amounting to maintenance cals?
Thanks man
yes exactly. 3-4 days of very low cals. 800-1000. then one meal to maintenance of whatever you want (ANYTHING- pizza burgers ice cream) on the 4th day before bed. this will get you to 6% no problem faster than any method out there.
Gal likes carbs and veg. I prefer a more militant approach with my food due to my personality, and fats instead of carbs for fuel. but yes the one constant is higher protein. there are tips and tricks buried in the thread to help you with your appetite and other things to help you get to where you want to be.
Gal and I take two approaches within the same system but get the same results. that's the beauty of this. this can be used for the rest of your life to not just get into shape but maintain it. that being said experiment a bit. take a few weeks to try the carb approach. does it work? are you functioning well? then stick with it. if not try the fats. the beauty is one of them will work for you.
thanks for the props dude it really means a lot. enjoy your new body dude. cheers and good luck.
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lol
goddamn. :D
see, I know what I can eat, and I've seen xfactor eat but this is another level.
there's a lot of caveats to this. you mentioned one if them. being lean to begin with. but on the way down to this bf level meals up to 3k of whatever you want every few days is pretty normal. but if your a lard ass or a lazy trainer/ dieter and are using food for comfort instead of for a distinct purpose, guess what? you'll fail. part of this involves knowing when to do it, and how much to consume. these are not static variables once you get down past 6% as we are both discovering whereas maintaining 7% and up and dieting down to that number there isn't a lot of manipulation and the basic tenants of the method we've outlined apply- 3-4 days 800-1000cal. one big meal before bed of maintenance cals of whatever you want. rinse cycle repeat.
we talked in pm about this. certain things happen in the body in this diet once you hit 6 and lower that we aren't going to go into detail on here. lets just say there are certain times and frequencies that you can do this and certain times your body will not allow it.
there's actually a lot of note comparing going on. and exactly everything we are each doing apart coincides with the results we are both experiencing which only goes to further validate in my mind the efficacy of this system it's not just individual you couldn't meet more different people genetically than gal and I. he responds to carbs. I respond to fats. I have very unstable blood sugar. his levels are solid. I am using minuscule amounts of anabolics and gh. gal isn't using gh. neither of us like fat burners. he likes whole foods. I prefer 3 things and not eating for taste.
but we are both experiencing the same results despite having two very different systems and different needs within the system. this only goes to further cement we have a very novel, applicable approach that can be tailored to each user, but still supplies the same results to all users despite those differences.
Remember when we were in playa at the beach party at 5am and I was dancing with that 2 pound burger. I still have photos of me holding it next to my abs.
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Remember when we were in playa at the beach party at 5am and I was dancing with that 2 pound burger. I still have photos of me holding it next to my abs.
omg i just remembered that- you took off. im looking for you. i go to T im like wheres X shes like he went to get something to eat. haha comes back with the biggest burger i have seen. i dunno how you can eat at 'those times'. last thing on my mind is food. better yet i cant believe you were hungry enough to walk thru that crowd, go to that burger place (matt was right they had killer burgers) and then walk back into the club and eat it. classic.
leanest guy in Playa eating a 2 pound burger with bacon at 5 am in a club on the beach. :D
last time i went to playa and left the club to eat i got pick pocketed by that hooker on the way to that burrito place. i go to pay for my food and there is no money in my pockets! im like ok, i know im a little blown up right now, but not that much where the F is my money. haha
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for me both work, i just chose the carbs bc lol,its a bit more volume as far the food goes ;D
sometimes i mix them up.
there should bea clear cutlayman terms compilation of all this, i cansee it onthe horizon
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no kidding, at this point i have no idea what this "system" is even supposed to be... a post with clearly stated rules is needed.
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omg i just remembered that- you took off. im looking for you. i go to T im like wheres X shes like he went to get something to eat. haha comes back with the biggest burger i have seen. i dunno how you can eat at 'those times'. last thing on my mind is food. better yet i cant believe you were hungry enough to walk thru that crowd, go to that burger place (matt was right they had killer burgers) and then walk back into the club and eat it. classic.
leanest guy in Playa eating a 2 pound burger with bacon at 5 am in a club on the beach. :D
last time i went to playa and left the club to eat i got pick pocketed by that hooker on the way to that burrito place. i go to pay for my food and there is no money in my pockets! im like ok, i know im a little blown up right now, but not that much where the F is my money. haha
Oh dude how am I going to swing that trip again with a two week old? hahahaha
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Oh dude how am I going to swing that trip again with a two week old? hahahaha
2 possibilities exist here.
a) you'll find a way
or
b) you won't want to.
either way it's a win/ win my friend. :)
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Oh dude how am I going to swing that trip again with a two week old? hahahaha
congrats dude,,,i have 2 girls 7/3 they know all my ways,shaved,pumped,they say daddy look at my muscles,,
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2 possibilities exist here.
a) you'll find a way
or
b) you won't want to.
either way it's a win/ win my friend. :)
Ya I have a feeling option b might sit in my horizon. Albeit next year we are bringing a nanny!!
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congrats dude,,,i have 2 girls 7/3 they know all my ways,shaved,pumped,they say daddy look at my muscles,,
Lmao. This post is so awesome.
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Lmao. This post is so awesome.
8),,its a good thing,,,its a fun ride ,,enjoy...
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yes exactly. 3-4 days of very low cals. 800-1000. then one meal to maintenance of whatever you want (ANYTHING- pizza burgers ice cream) on the 4th day before bed. this will get you to 6% no problem faster than any method out there.
Also for natural trainees so low with the cals?
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Also for natural trainees so low with the cals?
I think no one runs hgh and gear year round
if you are natural you might as well jump in front of a train or accept if you want to be ripped you will be tiny
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remember the longer you're shredded the more junk you can eat and won't get fat!
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dude your traps are striated. lol. that's ridiculous. but you can't walk 2 feet in Australia according to 'James' without bumping into a guy as lean as that. it's an epidemic he says. :D
here's the problem and here's where James shows his ignorance and lack of experience yet feels the need to diminish your accomplishments. there is a WORLD of difference between 7-8% which is what he prolly sees with frequency- someone can acheive that percentage just by exercising moderately, controlling their cals somewhat and doing a bit of cardio. it's not necessarily hard work but will take some time depending on what kind of shape you are in.
going from 7-8% down to the bf level galeniko is displaying here (4-5%) is NOT easy. there are not guys 'everywhere' this lean. this is another level of dedication and busting your ass to get this kind of conditioning. the word suffering comes to mind. it's only 3% or so difference. but it's the toughest 3% you'll ever lose.
so when I hear a guy like James spout off nonsense like that I just kinda gotta smile. cause not only is he not 5% he's not 7-8% either cause he would have tried in the past to get there and would have seen how hard it is. i can also tell he doesnt train that hard either for the same reasons. I doubt he's even 10% so we'll just disregard his opinions as non-valid when it comes to an educated discussion on rapid militant fat loss.
so that being said heres what is problematic for even most guys who train and diet- they fight and fight and fight to get to this kind of conditioning. and they manage to hold it for what, a day? gal has been within 2 weeks of this shape for the past 2 years! but I bet there's tons of guys who 'diet' on 1800-2400 cals in this board right now reading this. why haven't you looked like this for the past 2 years, instead of on just one day? why are you having such. hard time now achieving this type of conditioning? ask yourself those questions, sit back and re evaluate your dieting strategy. how many years have you been following your 2k cal diets? how many minutes do you spend doing cardio? what do you look like today? are you always seeming to be 'dieting'? how many times in your life have you been in the condition gal has displayed and for how many days (I'm not talking 6% here kids. I'm talking 4-5. I'm sure there's guys reading this who are 6. ever been this lean? for how long?) what is all this telling you? what you are doing IS NOT OPTIMAL.
if you want to continue banging your heads hoping that one day you'll magically wake up shredded after YEARS of doing the same things, following the same 2k cal diets go ahead. it's your business. but it's because your following this thread should tell you your diets are not optimal and in 2-3 years down the road your still going to look the same, still banging your heads. I don't even care anymore to be honest with what you do. what irks me is the resistance to this method. you fuckers haven't held this type of conditioning for more than one day in your lives and struggle to get there and prolly walk around all year long at 8-10% or better but yet have the audacity to put down the validity of this method all the while having never tried it, all based on the fact you got lean once for a show. lol .
but such is life I suppose. nobody wants to be wrong. there. a big payoff in 'being right' that's why it's do hard to give up what you know, cause fuck me, heaven forbid you admit there something out there better than what you are doing. lol
but no. it doesn't work. your way is so much better.
you can all return to your previously scheduled uneventful boring long diets. this message has been brought to you by the creators of the 'galeniko-no one method'. :D
Hahah you should take a break from bodybuilding and learn to read.
Go back and read my posts (maybe a few times) again, until it starts to sink in.
Here is a tip, respond to what was ACTUALLY posted, instead of what you wanted to be posted/implied just so you have an excuse to start an argument.
Its like speaking with a f.ucking pre-schooler ::)
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remember the longer you're shredded the more junk you can eat and won't get fat!
WELL sorta ,,less of a chance you will get fat,,
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remember the longer you're shredded the more junk you can eat and won't get fat!
Man I also find this to be true! I can diet really hard from May-Sept and by Christmas I start getting a little watery and abless.
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Man I also find this to be true! I can diet really hard from May-Sept and by Christmas I start getting a little watery and abless.
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yo galenko can you post youre fatlinko pic, just curious to see how you looked before thanks bro
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yo galenko can you post youre fatlinko pic, just curious to see how you looked before thanks bro
hi shizzo
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hi shizzo
NO YOU DIDN'T...
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slender ectomorph ;D
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Damn. There is hope for me yet.
Full disclosure: my end goal is your worst. :-[
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First pic 15%
Second & third 6-7%
Sound right?
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fisrt is easy 15-20%, that was 260lbs, the abs shine through for some reason, but make no mistake that was brutally fat.
second is something like 6 the 3rd maybe a tad more ,yeah.
the first was the absolute worst shape in life, not trained for 3or4years at all and eaten like a swine,everything in sight.
its a wonder i didnt get fatter there
3RD PIC LOOKS GOOD,,
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ofc it does,it shows me ;D
do you look in the mirror when you masterbate gal
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do you look in the mirror when you masterbate gal
mirror ,mirror on the wall,,,,,
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The reason gals back is his weak body part is because his eyes are in the front of his head. ;)
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The reason gals back is his weak body part is because his eyes are in the front of his head. ;)
touché...
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I don't think we have ever seen a back shot from Gal.
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he posted a few in his old blue tank top not black shirt he made famous here or string black tank he loves now lol,,anyway he upper back was shredded crossbands of muscle dried like front just not thick lat look..
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he posted a few in his old blue tank top not black shirt he made famous here or string black tank he loves now lol,,anyway he upper back was shredded crossbands of muscle dried like front just not thick lat look..
If his traps are shredded like in the pic from a day ago or so - I cant imagine it being that weak.
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I don't think we have ever seen a back shot from Gal.
why would he feel it necessary to post one. this is about getting lean. shredded. ripped and maintaining that condition year round being a stones throw from 4-5% in two weeks.
its not a 'back building' thread or how to develop body parts.
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why would he feel it necessary to post one. this is about getting lean. shredded. ripped and maintaining that condition year round being a stones throw from 4-5% in two weeks.
its not a 'back building' thread or how to develop body parts.
Easy there chief. Was just asking a question.
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why would he feel it necessary to post one. this is about getting lean. shredded. ripped and maintaining that condition year round being a stones throw from 4-5% in two weeks.
its not a 'back building' thread or how to develop body parts.
you still on the gh
im thinking of trying a run myself
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Excellent conditioning!
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mirror ,mirror on the wall,,,,,
... show me the content of my ball(s).
Well it nearly rhymes! ;D
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I don't think we have ever seen a back shot from Gal.
Don't be bashful dude. Ask for what you really want... Perhaps a glute shot would be nice.... maybe even some adductor shots would really summarize if this diet works or not
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I don't think we have ever seen a back shot from Gal.
Apply some lipstick and put a bra on and he might PM you a cock shot. ;D
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Apply some lipstick and put a bra on and he might PM you a cock shot. ;D
lol...
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I don't think we have ever seen a back shot from Gal.
Im sure ole Gal has taken a few backshots in his day :-*
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Don't be bashful dude. Ask for what you really want... Perhaps a glute shot would be nice.... maybe even some adductor shots would really summarize if this diet works or not
hahaha ask him to wedge his shorts up the crack of his ass for the fuil glute/ham tie-in. :D
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you still on the gh
im thinking of trying a run myself
yessir. nothing major. 3-4 iu of hygetropin brown top pins.
highly recommend if you can find them. prolly will stay on gh the rest of my life just for the health benefits god willing. no joint pain, super recovery between workouts, keeps me tight, look younger, and not enough to make me look like an abomination that seems to be prevalent in this 'sport'.
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ah ya, take a look at those two back shots gal posted- a lot of guys can look 5% from the front but not necessarily be a true 5% (in Gals case id say closer to 4, but i digress) as the abdominals will come in sooner than the back will, esp in areas like under/around the scapula and lower back.
you know a guy is in shape and shredded when he gets those feathers running thru the rhomboids and traps. and you know hes not all drugs when its that sharp, cause there is no blurring of the shoulders in that pic its just lean tissue.
this isnt diuretics or trick lighting- the guy went in his bathroom and snapped a pic off- on demand, no i need a couple days to get in shape. this is how he walks around day after day- he maintains this. not one day- weeks, months. its 100% lean tissue thru busting your ass and a militant yet smart approach to fat loss. 1800-2400 cal 'diets' can kiss my ass. this was 2 weeks from 6% to sub 5%.
this isnt fat burners or gh. this isnt cardio. its no cardio actually. its the system.
much props dude. i actually think these are the most impressive photos so far. you do not see this type of conditioning on even guys who 'compete' for one day. should tell you all something actually.
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For a natty, how long would you estimate going from 10% to 8% would take?
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For a natty, how long would you estimate going from 10% to 8% would take?
14 years
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14 years
LOL!
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14 years
Ask dji'llneverweight181.
..he's the expert on these things.
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For a natty, how long would you estimate going from 10% to 8% would take?
depends on your current bodyweight and whether or not your a true 10%- being off on either can mean the difference of 3-6 pounds or more of fat.
anyway, in any diet as much as its nice to have goals, put aside the whole how long will it take mentality. all thats matters is the day your in. and the the next day your in. and the next day your in.
technically if i had to give you a 'measurement of weight' answer i would say based on the way we have outlined the system you are looking at a reduction of in and around 3 pounds of bodyfat a week depending on your current weight.
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you know this isnt bullshit when gal and i are answering the same question at the same time with the same answer. lol :D
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For a natty, how long would you estimate going from 10% to 8% would take?
seriously 4 weeks
dont try and do it too quick or you will end up looking like a skeleton
oh and as a natural train like a psycho when you are cutting
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yeah,i dont even think of weight or %, i just stay focuseed.
1 meal.hunger period.next meal.train, next day etcetc.
i feel the scientifical calculations are off btw.it simply doesnt work like they claim, its just the best guess.
fatloss dont work the same at different fatness levels.it become gradually harder.
i mean, according to science, if i eat nothing for 1-2weeks,id be 0% bodyfat ;D
just an exxagerated example.
and theres always water loss going along with fatloss, so watching the weight will be misleading.sometimes im 5lbs heavier than the previous day and ate almost nothing.
even the mirror can be misleading
yeah the body will def not do what you 'expect' or 'want' it to.
no matter how idealised you think your results should be, there will be unexpected fluctuations on your bodyweight and your look all the way thru the whole process, for no apparent reason. like you'll wake up holding 2 pounds of water one day. all you had the day before was 400cals for almonds, unsalted, and 3 scoops of protein powder. lol technically it shouldnt happen- there is nothing to explain a 2 pound gain in water- but it does happen. the why is a mystery. its just the body regulating itself. the key is to just keep focused on that day. the body will let that water go when it doesnt require it any more.
so like gal said its hard to put an exact number on such things. all that matters is that day. and then the next day. stay on track and stay focused.
back in the day i can remember some of my biggest food binges coming after i looked in the mirror and saw we just explained. id be like fuck it, i look like shit i might as well eat, right? lol thats the mentality. i didnt realise what i do now. we are saving you all the pain of figuring this shit out for yourselves.
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I know it's buried somewhere in the thread. But for the guys following page by page (me) who don't remember where it's posted, what are the "No One/Gal" principles. Just brief bullet points. I wouldn't mind giving this a serious "go" and seeing what happens. Have an adventure.
Thanks guys. This is a seriously great thread. Should be sticky, but I'll let OMR decide that.
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maybe Gal should put it in his signature then its in each post he makes.
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I know it's buried somewhere in the thread. But for the guys following page by page (me) who don't remember where it's posted, what are the "No One/Gal" principles. Just brief bullet points. I wouldn't mind giving this a serious "go" and seeing what happens. Have an adventure.
Thanks guys. This is a seriously great thread. Should be sticky, but I'll let OMR decide that.
The King's keyboard has been stickied for hours.
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actually it was a constructive suggestion
No obnoxiousness intended.
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actually it was a constructive suggestion
No obnoxiousness intended.
I withdraw my earlier comment (post edited). No ill-will intended. Thought you were poking fun, so I was poking back. All good.
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Currently feeling small in a t-shirt ;D
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I know it's buried somewhere in the thread. But for the guys following page by page (me) who don't remember where it's posted, what are the "No One/Gal" principles. Just brief bullet points. I wouldn't mind giving this a serious "go" and seeing what happens. Have an adventure.
Thanks guys. This is a seriously great thread. Should be sticky, but I'll let OMR decide that.
Here's what I went back and found from Gal:
-3 meals,6 meals, 1 meal, it doesnt matter, do what you like best.never eat when not hungry.
-when hunger comes(dont confuse hunger with apetite, hunger is when stomach is empty and feels like itll implode,apetite is when a disgusting fatso swine feels like eating again).wait out the next meal as long as possible.fight the hunger attacks with water, diet coke, brushing teeth, chewing on coffee beans(very disgusting but great apetite anihilator),cigaretes,whatever.
then eat .then wait again.
-if you have a meltdown and several 1000calories binge, dont worry, shit happens, do a full body workout on that day, each bodypart 2 sets of 50 reps, to make that glycogen go away somewhat.and wait before the next meal until you have shit out every last calorie of that binge.this can take way over 24hrs.be strong,wait it out.then return to normal meals.
-train hard, none of this high rep bullshit.hard doesnt mean heavy.train smart.
-now how much protein.if youre about 200 lbs bodyweight total, have 200-300gramms protein.my proetien sources are tuna, chicken breast, turkey. it dont matter if its 2 or 3oo you will be hungry as hell anyway all day.
-i hope i dont need to mention that you shouldnt ever drink sugary drinks,drink water, diet coke, put aspartame into water if you like,i do that.helps alot.spare me comments about aspartame being unhealthy, fuck yourself if you just felt an urge to say so.
-how many carbs?what carbs?well,have all carbs from veggies, period.no bread, no pasta,no rice.if you have 100-150gramms carbs from veggies, thatll be good enough to get down to 8% failry quick.if you have 50-10gramms carb from vegiess youll get there faster,to go under 8%, easiest way is to reduce carbs to 0-50gramms a day.
-fats?how many fats?traces.have a whole egg here and there, 1or 2 nuts(not the whole fucking package, not 20 nuts,1 or 2), salmon fish fat.dont do this balonie a spoon of oil.no need to load up on extra fats.just have traces,the body needs them.
So to summarize, here's what I would eat on a daily basis (I weigh 250):
about 300 to 375 grams of protein
As many fibrous veggies as I want
Very little fat (maybe 50g/day, tops - probably will all come from the meat I eat)
That's it. Eat it all in one meal, probably, at the end of the day.
Works out to about 1950 cal/day for me, which is a bit more than I thought, but is that ok?
Just keep that up until I hit 8%? I thought I read somewhere in this thread about a re-feed meal, but I don't want to assume. If no re-feed, that's fine...just suffer thru it. If there's a re-feed, how often do you do it? And for a guy like me who loves eating, is just a hog-wild trip? Or are there limits? I can eat a Galeniko cheat meal no problem...just saying.
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the sloteye kid
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ok this wasnt the original intent, but noone and me have decided we will write this all down in a consolidated booklet or book and make it available for everyone.
infact i have already started to write.ill give my best,and ill post here the chapters of it, we will make sure that everything, really everything is there.
with no agenda, no intent of selling drugs like others, or lying about natural this or that, just something which will work for people if they follow through.
the interest is there, we will see if its same for the demand ;D
we have found something that works and decided to go forward with it, we feel its superior to everything else out there.we are also modest :D
all the bullshit from lay nortern, the sloteye kid who say hes natural, they all look like shit most of the year, is time for something new, we both been shredded year in year out.
if for nothing else, it should atleast be a hillarious read based on all my typos and use of english language.
galeniko bible index
it has begun
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The two features of the plan that have helped me:
1. No cheat days. Makes perfect sense. If you're gonna diet, diet. Why continually set yourself back?
2. No white carbs. I've found getting all my carbs from veggies to be nothing but positive. My sinuses are clearer. My dumps are cleaner. The excess fat has been melting away. Energy levels have not suffered.
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ok this wasnt the original intent, but noone and me have decided we will write this all down in a consolidated booklet or book and make it available for everyone.
infact i have already started to write.ill give my best,and ill post here the chapters of it, we will make sure that everything, really everything is there.
with no agenda, no intent of selling drugs like others, or lying about natural this or that, just something which will work for people if they follow through.
the interest is there, we will see if its same for the demand ;D
we have found something that works and decided to go forward with it, we feel its superior to everything else out there.we are also modest :D
all the bullshit from lay nortern, the sloteye kid who say hes natural, they all look like shit most of the year, is time for something new, we both been shredded year in year out.
if for nothing else, it should atleast be a hillarious read based on all my typos and use of english language.
ya were going to lay it all out. this thread is a combobulation of confusion and misdirection that veered away from the original intent for a while and is leaving people confused.
its 49 pages long now. to start at the beginning and try to glean everything out of it we have put down is a daunting task.
Gal and i have been pm'ing about our diets going back like over a year now. turns out we had basically the same ideas. what we've done is cleaned it all up- as in learned from our mistakes- and the created the most effective, rapid fat loss method out here, that spares lean tissue and gives you an abundance of energy.
we tell you our theories on why we feel this diet works so well- we are not science guys. are are 'do it guys' -everything you'll read in this book is based on first hand knowledge and trial and error. not what is 'supposed' to happen. ffs is we had relied on what is 'supposed' to happen or what you are 'supposed' to do when dieting we'd still be like everyone else- busting our ass for week after week getting minimal results and never reaching our full potentials. and we'll tell you why other fat loss systems and diets fall short.
between the two of us i'd say we have close to 4 years in our own personal time learning from our mistakes in this system. thats 4 years of experience and knowledge perfecting the perfect fat loss system.
there is no stimulant usage, no cardio, no bullshit and lies- in fact in this book we are going to debunk all the bullshit brosceince that guys have believed for so long. the same bullshit and lies that have kept everyone from achieving their true potential.
since Galeniko and i are two different guys genetically like i said before, we've taken two paths within the same system to the exact same result. this means there will be something that everyone can use in this book to reach ultimate shreds as quickly and as simply as possible. no carb rotations and gimmick dieting. just a compressed, results driven protocol.
the tips and trick we use will work for everyone. in fact this will be the most comprehensive dieting system ever laid out in terms of knowledge, yet bare bones easy to use in terms of execution.
comprehensive in that you've got two guys chronicling exactly what they did to get to where they are. comprehensive as in each of us telling you what we do for our training. we hold nothing back like the 'gurus' do so you keep coming back for more, so they can line their pockets with your money with systems that require you 'listen only to them'. we tell you what we do and why. every secret we have learned you'll also get to employ. so this is will be the last fat loss system you'll ever use. and it'll the last you use cause if you follow it you will be lean year round. no 'rebound', no stagnation.
a chapter on what we havent spoke about much in this thread- how to go from 6% down to 4% in 2-3 weeks, not months. the system can be sued by virtually anyone to go from where they are now to around 6%. but at 6% we found the game changes. the basic premise of the system is so fool proof that if you follow it there is NO WAY you cant get to 6%. but getting to 6% for some of you isnt enough. you'll want more, but it is not easy- anyone who has tried it will tell you. and gal and i have figured out how to get from 6 to 4 in weeks not months, and we tell you every tip and trick we learned to do so.
we want to help people get in the best shape of their lives and stay there. no more yo-yo dieting. no more dieting to 6 % then ballooning back up in 2 weeks- and having to start the process all over again 3 months later when you've put back on 20 pounds. no more fucking 8 to 10 weeks of brocolli and chicken and the rest of the bullshit we've been taught was 'the way'. no more struggling to get thru the day cause you have no energy from your diets. no more depriving yourself of the foods you love for months on end. no more binges as a result. no more cardio. just results in the shortest time frame possible.
guess thats it. feel free to add anything gal. were trying to figure out how to market this thing best. things like that. but this diet is doing to set the online community upside down. throw away every pre existing notion about dieting that you have ever believed. we have changed everything.
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Works out to about 1950 cal/day for me, which is a bit more than I thought, but is that ok?
no. its all wrong. its not even close to what we are telling you. we are telling you 800-1200 cals (bigger guys i'd say can use 200 more cals maybe. but im 236 and very lean and i can do it on 800-1000cal. i feel like im cheating at 1200 cals after you get the mindset and start seeing reulst you wont want the 200cal extra to be truthful) a day for 3 days the 4th day a meal to maintenance in your case of 3k cal. whatever you want right before bed. you get up in the am and train fasted. you then start another cycle of 800-1000 cals a day until the next re-feed 4 days later.
this will get you to 6% without a hiccup. its impossible to fuck up. it works the same way every time, all the time in the shortest time frame possible. from 6 and lower everything kinda changes.
now you know why we got to write the book. lol
how to go thru your low days and the tricks and tips will be in there. dont worry about your energy we'll explain why in the book this diet gives you more energy than they typical 1800-2400 cal diet. then we'll tell you how and what to do to go from 6 to the sub 5's and keep that condition year round, or remain within 2 weeks striking distance of 4-5 from 6% year round. the whole time eating ice cream pizza and burgers.
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haha you know me che im as straight as arrow. im the first to call bullshit and the first to give props. this is everything we say it is. :)
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the most hilarious thing in all this is, haha,noone and me introduced eachother back in the day with quite the fallout ;D
seems we misunderstood eachother at first glance ;D
and yes, neither him nor me is some genetic prodigy or wonderkid, we just knew how to make the best out of what weve been given geneticaly with maintainable everyday effort.
yes, getting shredded, been done, staying like that, not done by many.
arguably zyzz, yeah but it wouldnt be soooo smart to follow his ways,would it :D
he was lean cause he relied on diuretics and chemicals. drugs like cocaine and x killed his appetite. i wouldnt put his name in the same sentence as yours. hes was nowhere near your density, muscularity, and would never look that lean without all the drugs and diuretics he was on. the guys bf levels were more from partying and the chems associated with it than anything.
zyzz? c'mon man! :D
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haha you know me che im as straight as arrow. im the first to call bullshit and the first to give props. this is everything we say it is. :)
Settle down stud , I know you are straight shooter but that kid Galeniko is a shady character IWNT . 8)
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Settle down stud , I know you are straight shooter but that kid Galeniko is a shady character IWNT . 8)
LOL!
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no. its all wrong. its not even close to what we are telling you. we are telling you 800-1200 cals (bigger guys i'd say can use 200 more cals maybe. but im 236 and very lean and i can do it on 800-1000cal. i feel like im cheating at 1200 cals after you get the mindset and start seeing reulst you wont want the 200cal extra to be truthful) a day for 3 days the 4th day a meal to maintenance in your case of 3k cal. whatever you want right before bed. you get up in the am and train fasted. you then start another cycle of 800-1000 cals a day until the next re-feed 4 days later.
this will get you to 6% without a hiccup. its impossible to fuck up. it works the same way every time, all the time in the shortest time frame possible. from 6 and lower everything kinda changes.
now you know why we got to write the book. lol
how to go thru your low days and the tricks and tips will be in there. dont worry about your energy we'll explain why in the book this diet gives you more energy than they typical 1800-2400 cal diet. then we'll tell you how and what to do to go from 6 to the sub 5's and keep that condition year round, or remain within 2 weeks striking distance of 4-5 from 6% year round. the whole time eating ice cream pizza and burgers.
Thanks No One. Much appreciated. I'll give this a rip and let you and Gal know how I do.
And yes, I'll buy the book when you guys come out with it. It's the least a billionaire mogul like me can do for a fellow team of billionaire model slaying studs! Getbigger illuminatis support each other. :-)
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ok this wasnt the original intent, but noone and me have decided we will write this all down in a consolidated booklet or book and make it available for everyone.
infact i have already started to write.ill give my best,and ill post here the chapters of it, we will make sure that everything, really everything is there.
with no agenda, no intent of selling drugs like others, or lying about natural this or that, just something which will work for people if they follow through.
the interest is there, we will see if its same for the demand ;D
we have found something that works and decided to go forward with it, we feel its superior to everything else out there.we are also modest :D
all the bullshit from lay nortern, the sloteye kid who say hes natural, they all look like shit most of the year, is time for something new, we both been shredded year in year out.
if for nothing else, it should atleast be a hillarious read based on all my typos and use of english language.
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ya were going to lay it all out. this thread is a combobulation of confusion and misdirection that veered away from the original intent for a while and is leaving people confused.
its 49 pages long now. to start at the beginning and try to glean everything out of it we have put down is a daunting task.
Gal and i have been pm'ing about our diets going back like over a year now. turns out we had basically the same ideas. what we've done is cleaned it all up- as in learned from our mistakes- and the created the most effective, rapid fat loss method out here, that spares lean tissue and gives you an abundance of energy.
we tell you our theories on why we feel this diet works so well- we are not science guys. are are 'do it guys' -everything you'll read in this book is based on first hand knowledge and trial and error. not what is 'supposed' to happen. ffs is we had relied on what is 'supposed' to happen or what you are 'supposed' to do when dieting we'd still be like everyone else- busting our ass for week after week getting minimal results and never reaching our full potentials. and we'll tell you why other fat loss systems and diets fall short.
between the two of us i'd say we have close to 4 years in our own personal time learning from our mistakes in this system. thats 4 years of experience and knowledge perfecting the perfect fat loss system.
there is no stimulant usage, no cardio, no bullshit and lies- in fact in this book we are going to debunk all the bullshit brosceince that guys have believed for so long. the same bullshit and lies that have kept everyone from achieving their true potential.
since Galeniko and i are two different guys genetically like i said before, we've taken two paths within the same system to the exact same result. this means there will be something that everyone can use in this book to reach ultimate shreds as quickly and as simply as possible. no carb rotations and gimmick dieting. just a compressed, results driven protocol.
the tips and trick we use will work for everyone. in fact this will be the most comprehensive dieting system ever laid out in terms of knowledge, yet bare bones easy to use in terms of execution.
comprehensive in that you've got two guys chronicling exactly what they did to get to where they are. comprehensive as in each of us telling you what we do for our training. we hold nothing back like the 'gurus' do so you keep coming back for more, so they can line their pockets with your money with systems that require you 'listen only to them'. we tell you what we do and why. every secret we have learned you'll also get to employ. so this is will be the last fat loss system you'll ever use. and it'll the last you use cause if you follow it you will be lean year round. no 'rebound', no stagnation.
a chapter on what we havent spoke about much in this thread- how to go from 6% down to 4% in 2-3 weeks, not months. the system can be sued by virtually anyone to go from where they are now to around 6%. but at 6% we found the game changes. the basic premise of the system is so fool proof that if you follow it there is NO WAY you cant get to 6%. but getting to 6% for some of you isnt enough. you'll want more, but it is not easy- anyone who has tried it will tell you. and gal and i have figured out how to get from 6 to 4 in weeks not months, and we tell you every tip and trick we learned to do so.
we want to help people get in the best shape of their lives and stay there. no more yo-yo dieting. no more dieting to 6 % then ballooning back up in 2 weeks- and having to start the process all over again 3 months later when you've put back on 20 pounds. no more fucking 8 to 10 weeks of brocolli and chicken and the rest of the bullshit we've been taught was 'the way'. no more struggling to get thru the day cause you have no energy from your diets. no more depriving yourself of the foods you love for months on end. no more binges as a result. no more cardio. just results in the shortest time frame possible.
guess thats it. feel free to add anything gal. were trying to figure out how to market this thing best. things like that. but this diet is doing to set the online community upside down. throw away every pre existing notion about dieting that you have ever believed. we have changed everything.
22 of those 49 pages are from laugh gifs of Cswol.
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If you guys can turn Cswol into a shredded mofo i WILL buy the book! ;D
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If you guys can turn Cswol into a shredded mofo i WILL buy the book! ;D
You're expecting a lot from them...
(http://www.judaicaheaven.com/catalog/JP-314small.jpg)
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NO ONE / GALENIKO:
Looking forward to the booklet! Some topics that would be good to cover IMO:
- Diet coping strategies for when life fucks over your normal routine. E.g. unexpected business travel to Dubai, India.
- Cardio: For those that do it for health reasons, how would it impact the diet? Eat more to arrive at the same net deficit, or keep calories the same and lose weight quicker?
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ok, seen the vid and pics above?
now look what you can get away with when so lean, and youll see ill maintain this condition for however long i please.
this is what ive eaten yesterday,i could take pics of the empty packagings but i think theres no need(who dont believe will say thats just the packagings etc):
ok here goes:
-500gramms chicken breast, 2lbs veggies total of 800cals
-2 lbs of caramel soft icecream 1300cals
-10 various chocolate bars,each 300cals,thats 3300cals
-those above chocolate bars have been eaten with 2lbsof bread on which ive put extra butter, no idea how many calories that is
-1pizza 1000cals
-sausages(2) with bread and mayo and ketchup. and 2 chinese spring rolls,thatll be at very least 500cals
-10 various icecreams of average 300cal each, thatll be another 3000cals.
thats it , i wonder if the other diets allow such meals, yes that was 1 meal.
thats roughly 10k calories.
and i can do this in some frequency that boggles the mind and stay in this shape ,as long i follow some rules.
i dont need "couple few carbs daily"to feel good blabla.i rather have whatever i want and as much as i want,rather than some carbs or fats, restricting myself for half a year to lose couple lbs of fat and maybe permanenetly damage thyroid with t3, or do mindless hours of cardio.
some people dont seem to know why pros use carbs in their diets, its certainly fuck all to do with feeling better.
hope this helps.
Bro maybe that works for you but that is disgusting! I would never suggest that diet to anybody! Are you serious or are you joking? 10 candy bars-lol. 2lbs of ice cream?? I know people who can eat alot of crap and get away with it. I myself can eat alot of crap and get away with it but mentally it fucks with my mind just knowing I hate such horrible foods. If it works for you much love but no way would I reccomend that diet to anybody. what works for you or me mightnpot work for everybody,actually great chance it will not work for everybody. Is that just a cheat day? Or do you eat like that daily?
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I will buy the book. Maybe a discount since I started the thread? ;D
Also galeniko needs to sell tshirts with saying like "fatso" " fat swine" "contest shape 2+ years" "carbs, what carbs?" And other trademark sayings with his unique version of the English language.
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Galeniko the diet intel is great, i am very gratefull.
What kind of anabolics do you use to keep your muscle mass during diet?
Thanks.
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No measly 800-1200 calorie diet here my friends. Even if I was natural or running minimum amount and compound I would not waste away half my muscle tissue following such a program.
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No measly 800-1200 calorie diet here my friends. Even if I was natural or running minimum amount and compound I would not waste away half my muscle tissue following such a program.
BigRo....possibly the best bodybuilding physique on GetBig currently?
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BigRo....possibly the best bodybuilding physique on GetBig currently?
i would second this big and ripped to the bone
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no mate I don't think they need my diet, just saying it wouldn't work in my situation unless I wanted to scale things down and step away from the stage :)
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they should clean this thread up and make it a sticky
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No measly 800-1200 calorie diet here my friends. Even if I was natural or running minimum amount and compound I would not waste away half my muscle tissue following such a program.
hey bro I get your incredulity 100%. like ya, you'll wither away to nothing it'll just eat up your lean tissue, esp once you get under 6% right?
just try it when you've done rebounding from your show. your going to make some good gains for the next couple weeks with all the super compensating your going thru. when your done eating and are ready to throttle back a bit I urge you to contact me and I'll lay this all out for you- theres a little more too it than eating 800-1000cal a day. try it for 2-3 weeks. it'll change your approach to dieting. in fact you could prolly run this protocol right up to 1-2 weeks out condition, depending on when you start depletion.
now thats a pretty bold statement isnt it?
you and I are very similar structurally in terms of big guys holding a lot of lean. my pic is somewhere on the board it'll validate that claim. I can honestly say you can get down to competition shape in the fraction of the time it takes on your present diet and still hold - and I can't say the same- too many variables at play- but I would think primarily as much tissue as you'd normally hold.
try it for 3 weeks when your done riding the rebound. post your findings here. if you want to try it pm me ill tell you exactly what I'm running so you'll it's not the drugs holding my tissue
that's about the best offer I can make in support of what we are claiming here. I know it's sounds fucked up to say you won't wither away but dude if you try it you'll be absolutely amazed.
cheers.
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ok this wasnt the original intent, but noone and me have decided we will write this all down in a consolidated booklet or book and make it available for everyone.
infact i have already started to write.ill give my best,and ill post here the chapters of it, we will make sure that everything, really everything is there.
with no agenda, no intent of selling drugs like others, or lying about natural this or that, just something which will work for people if they follow through.
the interest is there, we will see if its same for the demand ;D
we have found something that works and decided to go forward with it, we feel its superior to everything else out there.we are also modest :D
all the bullshit from lay nortern, the sloteye kid who say hes natural, they all look like shit most of the year, is time for something new, we both been shredded year in year out.
if for nothing else, it should atleast be a hillarious read based on all my typos and use of english language.
Can you please write it in your style of Eastern European English?
I'd like to hear more about methods how to mentally get psyched before heading out to the gym. I'm expecting to see at least a paragraph on playing Russian Roulette as a pre workout stimulant.
Thanks
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it will be written in that precise way,all my broke english, no whats this called which checks for spelling errors, no such thing.
8)
and yes, will be entertaining to read,not bro science trying to sound intelectual or something.
insults, everything, no holding back.
were self publishers, we have no contract to abide by, we mustnt keep quiet on any matter, and have no hidden agenda.
its already in the raw blueprint in writing, the simpler version ppl accept,the sooner itll be out.
as far as im concerned, it could be handwritten and the copys sent as bundle.
:D
An anti fat swine rhetoric would make for a humorous read
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No one. Show your pics
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No just a lurker
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ill dedicate a chapter to this :D
meanwhile, still going strong:this should show that the 10k cals binge of pure shit foods had no worsening effect.not short term,not long term.today:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130612_201121_zpsf98b3de7.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130612_201121_zpsf98b3de7.jpg.html)
legs, i think this needs no comment,here the fatsos can see how leg muscle looks when thechub is gone
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130612_201049_zpseb9a4f7f.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130612_201049_zpseb9a4f7f.jpg.html)
and here, look seratus(nyflex heres kinda your requested side chest pose),iner chest looks like skin is wrapped around the fiber,because,it is,haha.
furthermore brachialis to biceps area, paper thin skin, look at the elbow how the tricep attachment looks there.and look at the hand holding the phone, the wrist,this is only bones and skin.yes i walked with those clothes through the city today haha
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130612_201029_zps4384b38c.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130612_201029_zps4384b38c.jpg.html)
lol, a newcomer
good pics,,,legs ripped up nice,,arms are sick,,,your plans work i have made some adjustments....
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Galeniko your upper arm looks thick as fuck there is that 19" or more?, be cool to see some whole body shots in posers no homo lol
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they certainly are not, not sure about the rest though whether one can get big legs and back etc on year round diet mode. Thought you were a shorty actually most tall guys don't have that thick look to the arms.
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here's some food for thought gentlemen.
my last m2m ( meal to maintenance) was Sunday night.
Monday I got back into the diet w 800 cals. yesterday I was around 1k cal. today I'm at 700
i trained fasted this am. I'm going in to work a grave shift. as I typically do ill nap for two hours before. tonight I couldn't sleep. I had TOO MUCH energy. I was wired. I had to stop myself from getting out of bed and training legs this evening. I already did chest and back this am lol
no stims. no fatburners.
conventional 'wisdom' says this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING. I should be dragging my ass around everywhere.
gal and I have discussed this at length and have a pretty good theory. it's not ketosis as it starts to occur roughly 24-36 hours post m2m and it takes according to the 'experts' upwards of 72 hours to reach ketosis in a zero carb scenario. further more Gal uses carbs and experiences the same thing.
lets see if anyone can come up with the answer. here's two hints.
this energy does not exist in the 24-36 period post m2m. typically it really hits on day 3 of the low days.
it's why you get lethargy on 1800-2400cal diets.
food for though guys. everyone has been so blinded by bullshit and broscience that it shouldn't happen, right? SAYS WHO? lol
we're pulling the curtain back like Dorothy did in the Wzard of Oz.
cheers.
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Nothing hotter than a bunch of dudes comparing pics.
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Nothing hotter than a bunch of dudes comparing pics.
;D,,,get in there stud,,,
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Nothing hotter than a bunch of dudes comparing pics.
>calls other people fags
>posts on getbig in galeniko show off thread
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>calls other people fags
>posts on getbig in galeniko show off thread
When did I call someone a "fag?" I do not think you will find anywhere on GB where I call someone that!
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;D,,,get in there stud,,,
I bet you'd like that. ;D Try to determine what tier I'd be in. ;) ;D
Maybe Ill post a pic of me in a bunny or squirrel costume :-\ :-\
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Galeniko, very good arms.
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they,and myself in general look like absolute shit if not lean,btw.
unimpressive.but when lean im suprised myself.
but thats the whoe point,even a twink will look good when lean and tanned, he will look kinda ok :D
Well, youre arms look 20" when lean.
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Well, youre arms look 20" when lean.
Your penis looks huge when lean as well. I'm not joking.
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You penis look huge when lean as well. I'm not joking.
Been following the Adonis diet.
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oh and i forgot, i cant remember when i had the last day off training.
i should be severly and utterly overtrained, yet i do daily very high volume trainings.
by very high volume i mean just arms i do 40 sets+.
sleeping no more than 6hrs daily.
waking up fresh like newly born.
noone, i think i have a term for that state.
lets call it "survival mode" state.
i find this is a good description.
maybe its plain and simple starvation state.
This sounds about right, add 30-40mins of cardio in as well in the morning 6 days a week. Training I can go and go I have to force myself to take a day off, usually around the 21 day mark.
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yah, some philospoh once said a day without laughing is a lost day.
i find a day without training isa lost day.
some fools will think theyre overtrained bc they cant bench 5 lbs more next training with their 2 buddies helping him onthemovement, duh,theres a way around that.thosepeople-dj 181 comes to mind- basicaly need a bbuilding training lobotomy and start from scratch.
yeah my kind of "cardio" is special, i dont like mindlessly beeing on stationary bike, i do something else.
not that cardio is needed with this programma :D
Fair enough. I have to hammer out my cardio as I'm not giving up having my weekend drinks.
Funny I use to think that too about having to lessen the weight 10 pounds on bench I was over training. Such crap
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This sounds about right, add 30-40mins of cardio in as well in the morning 6 days a week. Training I can go and go I have to force myself to take a day off, usually around the 21 day mark.
lol agreed. esp when you really get into the diet. you'll be training training training and one day you'll just wake up tired. with me it isnt sore, just tired. then i'll think about it- when was the last time i took a day off from the gym. i'll think about it as long as i can remember and be like- no way- 2 1/2 weeks?
when your mind is set, your diet is on point, and your seeing results daily its easy to go everyday just to see what you'll look like tomorrow.
like Gal i feel like a day without training is a lost day. i'll rest when my body tells me it needs rest. why rest just cause 'its your day off' doesnt make sense. just like it doesnt make sense not to hit the same muscle group 24-48 hours after training it the first time. if its good to go its good to go. you just know the feeling when you get it.
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x factor trying to shoe horn himself into the galeniko and no one road show in this thread
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x factor trying to shoe horn himself into the galeniko and no one road show in this thread
haha make no mistake friend. xfactor is probably one of the leanest guys on this site. looks like he could be on the cover of a fitness mag and I'm a pretty critical guy. lol his methods, like bigro's are different from mine and Gals (higher cals, cardio) but they work for him. like we said a long time ago many paths to Rome. gal and I take a different path. but gotta give props where props are do the guy looks awesome. all homo. :D
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haha make no mistake friend. xfactor is probably one of the leanest guys on this site. looks like he could be on the cover of a fitness mag and I'm a pretty critical guy. lol his methods, like bigro's are different from mine and Gals (higher cals, cardio) but they work for him. like we said a long time ago many paths to Rome. gal and I take a different path. but gotta give props where props are do the guy looks awesome. all homo. :D
i know im just messing
guy is living the dream 8)
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x factor trying to shoe horn himself into the galeniko and no one road show in this thread
Easy there tiger. I give credit where it's due. I've actually patched together my system from a lot of no one's views. That's no secret. Both these guys rock some solid physiques.
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Lots of circle jerking going on in this thread, maybe should get moved to the sex board
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Easy there tiger. I give credit where it's due. I've actually patched together my system from a lot of no one's views. That's no secret. Both these guys rock some solid physiques.
it was but a joke :-*
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Lots of circle jerking going on in this thread, maybe should get moved to the sex board
Come on in Army. Give it a little tug... Let's see the old pic of that guy from bodybuilding.com you used to post :P
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Lots of circle jerking going on in this thread, maybe should get moved to the sex board
someone pass the lube please.
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Lots of circle jerking going on in this thread, maybe should get moved to the sex board
are you saying certain people in this thread have started jelqing purely so they can fuck themselves in the ass army?
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Can confirm the limitless energy that comes from 800 cals per day. It's almost scary how alert and vibrant you feel. Maybe it has to do with cortisol, I don't know, but not only are you literally jumping out of bed in the morning, your mindset also changes dramatically. I feel extremely positive and experience a insatiable appetite for training. You can just keep going and going, without the buzzed feeling of excessive caffeine intake.
I've no idea the mechanism that allows for this "drive". It's counter intuitive as we're led to believe that more calories/carbs will result in more energy/output. I work a very fast paced physically demanding job and just felt sluggish when pounding the calories. I'm getting 5 hours sleep, working ten hour days with a half hour break and still training for 90 mins with plenty left in me.
The only way to describe the mood/energy is "light on your feet". Combine this with some motivating/upbeat music and you're on your way to becoming a true life energizer bunny 8)
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Can confirm the limitless energy that comes from 800 cals per day. It's almost scary how alert and vibrant you feel. Maybe it has to do with cortisol, I don't know, but not only are you literally jumping out of bed in the morning, your mindset also changes dramatically. I feel extremely positive and experience a insatiable appetite for training. You can just keep going and going, without the buzzed feeling of excessive caffeine intake.
I've no idea the mechanism that allows for this "drive". It's counter intuitive as we're led to believe that more calories/carbs will result in more energy/output. I work a very fast paced physically demanding job and just felt sluggish when pounding the calories. I'm getting 5 hours sleep, working ten hour days with a half hour break and still training for 90 mins with plenty left in me.
The only way to describe the mood/energy is "light on your feet". Combine this with some motivating/upbeat music and you're on your way to becoming a true life energizer bunny 8)
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Can confirm the limitless energy that comes from 800 cals per day. It's almost scary how alert and vibrant you feel. Maybe it has to do with cortisol, I don't know, but not only are you literally jumping out of bed in the morning, your mindset also changes dramatically. I feel extremely positive and experience a insatiable appetite for training. You can just keep going and going, without the buzzed feeling of excessive caffeine intake.
I've no idea the mechanism that allows for this "drive". It's counter intuitive as we're led to believe that more calories/carbs will result in more energy/output. I work a very fast paced physically demanding job and just felt sluggish when pounding the calories. I'm getting 5 hours sleep, working ten hour days with a half hour break and still training for 90 mins with plenty left in me.
The only way to describe the mood/energy is "light on your feet". Combine this with some motivating/upbeat music and you're on your way to becoming a true life energizer bunny 8)
Could it be that the increased energy is that which would've otherwise gone to digesting all those extra calories?
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im on 4 calories a day and feel phenomenal
its like i could fly 8)
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Could it be that the increased energy is that which would've otherwise gone to digesting all those extra calories?
we feel this is possible and likely. and we think the body becomes incredibly efficient in a severe calorie deficit at scavaging fat cells for fuel in the absense of enough fuel from food for it to rely on that for function.
further more Gal and I have noticed something about the m2m once you get below 6% that we'll explore in the book that ties into this phenomena. like we said this system will work for everyone to get to 6% or so. it's simple physics. if you can't get to 6% you simply are not following the template we've outlined.
at 6% the m2m needs to change. we tell you what to do, why we found this change is necessary and lay out where to go from here and get ultra shredded in a fraction of the time of other diets and without cardio.
as we said before this it's not ketosis as we've talked about before. we don't know what specific mechanisms are involved. like i said we are real world results guys not 'science' guys is but it happens and it's goddamn efficient at fueling you and stripping the fat off you at the same time.
but yes, good catch dude. you guys are learning.
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Can confirm the limitless energy that comes from 800 cals per day. It's almost scary how alert and vibrant you feel. Maybe it has to do with cortisol, I don't know, but not only are you literally jumping out of bed in the morning, your mindset also changes dramatically. I feel extremely positive and experience a insatiable appetite for training. You can just keep going and going, without the buzzed feeling of excessive caffeine intake.
I've no idea the mechanism that allows for this "drive". It's counter intuitive as we're led to believe that more calories/carbs will result in more energy/output. I work a very fast paced physically demanding job and just felt sluggish when pounding the calories. I'm getting 5 hours sleep, working ten hour days with a half hour break and still training for 90 mins with plenty left in me.
The only way to describe the mood/energy is "light on your feet". Combine this with some motivating/upbeat music and you're on your way to becoming a true life energizer bunny 8)
You're hallucinating you fool, have a jam butty.
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Could it be that the increased energy is that which would've otherwise gone to digesting all those extra calories?
I believe so. The whole "Resting and Digesting" mantra parroted by many a socially stunted, basement dwelling video game playing permabulker needs to die. I require endless energy to get S**t done! No time for moping around in a carb induced coma, napping like a baby after 3 sets of "high intensity", blood and guts training. Shoveling down endless bowls of sweet potato and chicken in a futile effort to "add size"
Bodybuilding is about being able to take your shirt off at any given time and look the part. You shouldn't need six weeks preparation just to have abs for the beach. The average bloated gym rat is a couple of missed training sessions and few poorly timed binge meals away from being "desk worker fat (think Wiggs)" ;D
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I believe so. The whole "Resting and Digesting" mantra parroted by many a socially stunted, basement dwelling video game playing permabulker needs to die. I require endless energy to get S**t done! No time for moping around in a carb induced coma, napping like a baby after 3 sets of "high intensity", blood and guts training. Shoveling down endless bowls of sweet potato and chicken in a futile effort to "add size"
Bodybuilding is about being able to take your shirt off at any given time and look the part. You shouldn't need six weeks preparation just to have abs for the beach. The average bloated gym rat is a couple of missed training sessions and few poorly timed binge meals away from being "desk worker fat (think Wiggs)" ;D
So why are you on an 800cal diet? What do you do for maintenance?
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So why are you on an 800cal diet? W hat do you do for maintenance?
It lets me maintain a low bodyfat while enjoying "heroic" levels of energy. I occasionally refeed but never truly binge anymore. Embrace the hunger.
It's a state of mind. a true synergy of mental and physical components combining to unlock your true potential. It's hard to explain but you'll know the exact moment you've entered "the zone"
Another side effect manifests itself in feelings of disgust for the slovenly, unkempt, sloppy genenral public moving in slow motion around you, horrified at the frumpy soccer mom feeding her chubby child a diet of endless sodas and "trailer trash" carbs. These mere mortals are beyond reach, for I am operating on a higher plane of existence, unplugged from the Monsanto Matrix of Grain/Wheat and gluten based genocide.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us
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I have a feeling this thread is going to descend into farce.
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It lets me maintain a low bodyfat while enjoying "heroic" levels of energy. I occasionally refeed but never truly binge anymore. Embrace the hunger.
It's a state of mind. a true synergy of mental and physical components combining to unlock your true potential. It's hard to explain but you'll know the exact moment you've entered "the zone"
Another side effect manifests itself in feelings of disgust for the slovenly, unkempt, sloppy genenral public moving in slow motion around you, horrified at the frumpy soccer mom feeding her chubby child a diet of endless sodas and "trailer trash" carbs. These mere mortals are beyond reach, for I am operating on a higher plane of existence, unplugged from the Monsanto Matrix of Grain/Wheat and gluten based genocide.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us
u must be a ripped yogi with ur thoughts there,,,
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I have a feeling this thread is going to descend into farce.
BOOST WILL ASSURE THAT,,,
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us
well put man, i'm impressed
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I follow John Brown's regime (Trained Melvin Anthony, Shawn Ray etc)
Mon, Wed, Fri, (Chest, Shoulders, Arms)
Tue, Thurs, Sat (Legs, Back)
Abs, forearms, calves can be worked daily.
Sun: Church ;D
Crazy high volume for everything.
"But isn't that overtraining" I hear the peanut gallery of overfed lazy pigs cry.....
Well even GetBig's favourite Dr Layne Norton admitted on a recent radio show that there is NO SCIENTIFIC basis for overtraining. No study has ever shown a muscle to "atrophy (shrink)" due to too much workload. It's broscience hogwash spouted by a legion of lobotomized, work shy losers.
Have at it you Fat F****
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I have a feeling this thread is going to descend into farce.
x2, now no one is talking about a book?
oh brother ::)
listen, i like your posts no one, your experience is much appreciated on this board, but you're about to step off the deep end. time to step away from the keyboard...
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No study has ever shown a muscle to "atrophy (shrink)" due to too much workload.
oh, so that's what overtraining means? ::)
if there's no such thing as overtraining, do 20000 reps of squats with 80% your 1rm max every day, or as close as possible. tell me how you feel in a year.
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You're hallucinating you fool, have a jam butty.
Here comes the "natural wonder" aka I just took steroids just once or twice, as a finishing touch.
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oh, so that's what overtraining means? ::)
if there's no such thing as overtraining, do 20000 reps of squats with 80% your 1rm max every day, or as close as possible. tell me how you feel in a year.
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Utter lunacy. I can't converse with a man one meltdown away from the mental asylum. We are talking about training volumes typically considered excessive within the physique community, not outlandish, unrealistic feats of endurance. Again, I feel empathy for lost souls such as yourself, a bumbling parrot locked in a cage of self imposed limits.
Some birds (Boost, Galeniko,no one) aren't meant to be caged, their feathers are just too bright. :D
Have a nice day
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Utter lunacy. I can't converse with a man one meltdown away from the mental asylum. We are talking about training volumes typically considered excessive within the physique community, not outlandish, unrealistic feats of endurance. Again, I feel empathy for lost souls such as yourself, a bumbling parrot locked in a cage of self imposed limits.
Some birds (Boost, Galeniko,noOne) aren't meant to be caged, their feathers are just too bright. :D
Have a nice day
so you admit there is such a thing? it's just a matter of finding out what the "limit" is? and maybe this limit is within the realm of "training volumes typically considered excessive within the physique community"? or maybe it's not, like you suggest? how can you be sure?
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Wheres the energy for sex on a starvation diet? Thought that was a priority for a getbigger. Might as well practice celibacy or holding the batch in too if its all about being in the zone and on a higher energy plane...sounding more and more like yogic asceticism :)
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x2, now no one is talking about a book?
oh brother ::)
listen, i like your posts no one, your experience is much appreciated on this board, but you're about to step off the deep end. time to step away from the keyboard...
thanks for the nice words bro. appreciate them.
the idea for the 'book' is not to write a book but to put everything Gal and i have discovered into a concise and easy to use guide.
its about compiling all the info we have into a guide that can help anyone get into shape.
its too bad you feel this is crazy. maybe if more people took more time to help those around them the world would be a better place, just not ones own life.
at the end of the day thats what its all about.
cheers.
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This is probably the best thread not only on GB regarding dieting, but I have ever read.
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This is probably the best thread not only on GB regarding dieting, but I have ever read.
Yea, best thread actually related to bb thus far in 2013. I said fuk it, im going to do galeniko starve diet.
1.5 weeks in and im down 11-12 lbs. Its fucking brutal, not going to lie, took me coupl daays just to adjust to the low calories and still hitting the gym,.
But once your body gets used to having very little fuel and training while hungry...its not that bad. One thing I really like is that with this you aer seing results rigth before your eyes, day to day.. None of the slow paced 2000 calories a day cutting bullshit, where you cheat a bit everyday justifying it to yourself.
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I follow John Brown's regime (Trained Melvin Anthony, Shawn Ray etc)
Mon, Wed, Fri, (Chest, Shoulders, Arms)
Tue, Thurs, Sat (Legs, Back)
Abs, forearms, calves can be worked daily.
Sun: Church ;D
Crazy high volume for everything.
"But isn't that overtraining" I hear the peanut gallery of overfed lazy pigs cry.....
Well even GetBig's favourite Dr Layne Norton admitted on a recent radio show that there is NO SCIENTIFIC basis for overtraining. No study has ever shown a muscle to "atrophy (shrink)" due to too much workload. It's broscience hogwash spouted by a legion of lobotomized, work shy losers.
Have at it you Fat F****
Actually there are several studies showing dramatic drop offs in igf from excessive training, but if layne norton says something then it obviously has to be true.. The man has a phd in protein powder after all.
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thanks for the nice words bro. appreciate them.
the idea for the 'book' is not to write a book but to put everything Gal and i have discovered into a concise and easy to use guide.
its about compiling all the info we have into a guide that can help anyone get into shape.
its too bad you feel this is crazy. maybe if more people took more time to help those around them the world would be a better place, just not ones own life.
at the end of the day thats what its all about.
cheers.
Alright, I'm all for it! I think you guys should compile a short guide in a single couple of posts, much like wave_length did with his diet guide (actually, I would use that as a model). You should write this post (or maybe several posts, if the character limit imposes) as carefully as possible, taking care to address every point you're able to make. As a result, any answer that you could possibly provide should also have an easily found counterpart within the guide. I'd be perfectly happy to help as an editor, as well, if either you or Gal would like.
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I wonder what Dorian Yates would think about all this....
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This "no overtraining" trend is great in teenagers and blessed individuals. Common mortals with 35 plus yo (like me) start to feel weak, flat muscles and lack energy to endure other tasks, sex included.
Even forcefeeding myself my body cant keep up the demand. I believe i'm insulin resistant or something.
But i feel happy for the one's who can workout every day for hours.
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This "no overtraining" trend is great in teenagers and blessed individuals. Common mortals with 35 plus yo (like me) start to feel weak, flat muscles and lack energy to endure other tasks, sex included.
Even forcefeeding myself my body cant keep up the demand. I believe i'm insulin resistant or something.
But i feel happy for the one's who can workout every day for hours.
You know, I used to think the same thing. But recently I've been increasing my volume AND intensity AND frequency and feeling good. On a deficit too. I've found I have no problems with this, as long as I stay away from failure. Coming close is no problem, but only when I actually fail on the positive do I notice ill effects. And as they occur quickly, my assumption is that this is purely mental/neurological, not physiological.
FYI: turning 40 next week.
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How long until this booklet is ready...I'm getting leaner and leaner - need to know the finer points once you get to this stage 8)
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buselmo principles were similar.
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GALI,,WHATS TYPICAL EATING DAY,,PROTEIN/FATS/AND OR CARBS ,,WHAT DO U EAT,,,I EAT SAME THINGS MOST TIMES,,WHATS UR'S?
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busselmo really knew his stuff
pity he doesnt post here
to be fair to gal he knows his shit too
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always same, tuna, chicken turkey, salmon and the daily small piece of bread crust :D and 1 egg.1 egg i always have no matter what.
so yeah, its all protein with traces of cabrs and fats, really,traces.
and i put whatis called?moustard?bit of that on the meals, so it doesnt taste like cardboard
eating 3 times a day, im not counting anything calories, but i know withouit counting what it is aproximately,and from experience, i dont need count anything i know how much it is by looking at it.roughly.
and the counting isnt the point, its soooo much under maintanence that beiing off by 100cals or so doesnt even matter.
also i dont really schedule meals.i eat the same bc it works, and its very simple to collect the portion the day before,its practical.
THANKS...
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are writing on it any freeminute i get,a nd even in thenot so free minutes at work ahaha :D
we try someting like one week from now, its getting bigger and bigger than i thought it would,every day comes something new or forgotten to mind, then i write down the notice and implement it into text later on.
its coming into shape, few chapters are done by now.
were they?im not so sure wasnt he saying junkfoods all day?im not claiming that, but thats how i remember it.vaguely.
It was
Mon-Fri: Stay hungry with 100 gram max carbs
Sat-Sun: Eat whatever but only when hungry and only to the point of satisfaction
It isn't as extreme as yours but the general idea is KISS. Starve yourself to get lean ASAP and use the juice to preserve mass. Weekend binges can be taken up a notch and carbs increased Mon-Fri slightly when wanting to add lean mass.
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and please do not mention wavelenght in this thread, he is a turd i dont want the thread mudded by mentioning him. :-X
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his diet guide is great: well-written, informative, and to the point. you can't say to adonis "all roads lead to rome" and then call wave_length a "turd", as they say the same thing...
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eating meat will give you rashes and blotchy skin
youll never have that smooth clear skin you did when you were young eating meat
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........overtraining does exist, but most are confused to about what it is.
feel thin and weak and flat muscles happens with any diet, happens whenever one loses weight, its just till one gets used to it.
comeon, even when permabulking, are you to tell me you feel full and like powerhouse 247 ???
That's a very good point.
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Overtraining is a myth. Brothaz and non brothaz get swole in the penetentiary training chest and arms every day.
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busselmo really knew his stuff
pity he doesnt post here
to be fair to gal he knows his shit too
yes he did. great guy. does he still post at the other place or no?
him and disgusted were the ones who opened a lot of eyes with the undereating stuff.
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yes he did. great guy. does he still post at the other place or no?
him and disgusted were the ones who opened a lot of eyes with the undereating stuff.
Stopped posting everywhere it seems, shame cause his posts on gear and diet were spot on!
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ill dedicate a chapter to this :D
meanwhile, still going strong:this should show that the 10k cals binge of pure shit foods had no worsening effect.not short term,not long term.today:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130612_201121_zpsf98b3de7.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130612_201121_zpsf98b3de7.jpg.html)
legs, i think this needs no comment,here the fatsos can see how leg muscle looks when thechub is gone
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130612_201049_zpseb9a4f7f.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130612_201049_zpseb9a4f7f.jpg.html)
and here, look seratus(nyflex heres kinda your requested side chest pose),iner chest looks like skin is wrapped around the fiber,because,it is,haha.
furthermore brachialis to biceps area, paper thin skin, look at the elbow how the tricep attachment looks there.and look at the hand holding the phone, the wrist,this is only bones and skin.yes i walked with those clothes through the city today haha
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130612_201029_zps4384b38c.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130612_201029_zps4384b38c.jpg.html)
lol, a newcomer
Arms looks great, abs are decent... but damn bro.. LOL @ your legs. you are taking this starvation diet shit way to far, paying the price in your legs. be honest, how much do you weigh?
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Bro those are the legs that make pussy wet. Only MEN care about big legs.
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Bro those are the legs that make pussy wet. Only MEN care about big legs.
who is talking about big legs? he isnt even in medium leg range. just being real galenko, not talking shit.
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No measly 800-1200 calorie diet here my friends. Even if I was natural or running minimum amount and compound I would not waste away half my muscle tissue following such a program.
x1000000
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Bro those are the legs that make pussy wet. Only MEN care about big legs.
;D ;D ;D
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you dont need big thighs
developed calves are pretty much a requirement to look decent tho
women often laugh at stick man calves
but thighs no not really
just train thighs every few weeks and that's enough
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Bro those are the legs that make pussy wet. Only MEN care about big legs.
How much wetter does 8% bf make pussy than 10%? ;)
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you dont need big thighs
developed calves are pretty much a requirement to look decent tho
women often laugh at stick man calves
but thighs no not really
just train thighs every few weeks and that's enough
Women love big rugby players legs, you're talking rubbish pal ;)
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(http://s21.postimg.org/gji454oev/3_Kmte.png)
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bouncer thats just bit unfortunate angle of the pic, the legs are same size as ever.
but i dont remember ever seeing yours ??? :)
little hairy but here ya go. no pump, just cold bathroom shot.
(http://s21.postimg.org/45j849dp3/2013_02_09_09_48_40.jpg)
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I have posted here very few times but this is some good reading. I have lifted around 7 or 8 years now. Started off as a fat kid that never touched a weight before, never sat on a bench press or never could do ONE pullup. Moved to California lived by the beach and realized if I wanted to pull any strange I would need to be lean. I had no clue where to start but stop eating and start exercising. Not sure the time period maybe 2 to 3 months all I consumed was gatoraide(as a ignorant young I bought into their media propaganda just like the rest of the supplement industry) and about one can of tuna a day and rode my bike many miles on the boardwalk everyday. I went from 210 to 165 in those 2 to 3 months. Long story short my mom flew out to see me, she stepped off the plane and her jaw dropped. She thought I looked like absolute shit, completely malnourished, looking bad at it I did. I "lean" but still did not have abs and just looked odd, tiny shoulder blades sticking out, etc.
So what GAL says is very true. Do not use fasting in excess or too little calories as a natty or you will end up being skinny fat and you will lose muscle, a lot.
On other note, not to steal the thread or that anyone cares but I was the typical "PERMABULKER" after moment my mom saw me, I ate your "clean meals" of brown rice, chicken, veggies, and only mustard. I went from 165 back past 220 in maybe 6 to 8 months. I was that kid who thought damn I'm huge and gaining weight. To boost your ego you have other PERMABULKERS giving you compliments on how huge your getting, your THICK, damn your STRONG, or do you play FOOTBALL? That should have been the clue.... none of those comments mean your a lean mean killing machine but your a fatass with muscle or I see you have 19 inch arms that make your shirt tight because you have a 15 inch arm with fat layered around. I realized I wasn't bodybuilding or looking better eating these "clean meals" I was eating in a calorie excess just as True Adonis speaks. Hate True Adonis or not but his method is black and white. There are tons of weight loss products, methods, fads, etc. but they all boil down to one simple thing, if you eat less than your maintenance level calories you will lose weight, simple. If you do not drink alcohol you cannot get drunk.... simple right? As GAL and True Adonis already mentioned be careful when you start dipping too low or fasting too long if your not on gear. GAL and TA's plan are not hard, they suck at first, but for those who can't function without 2000 plus calories a day while dieting... LOL, lack of willpower. In a low cal state or fasted state you will feel more energy I have noticed, especially if you take any caffeine or stimulants because your stomach is empty. Take 300mg of caffeine after no eating for 12 hours and tell me it doesn't hit you hard and you cannot train good. You might not throw up PERMABULKER numbers but we are not in high school trying to get our name on the weight record chalk board for some old coach with a whistle around his neck. This is "BODY" "BUILDING" not "FAT BUILDING" or "POWERLIFTING" who cares if you can't bench 315 for reps while some permabulker can......
His girlfriend's forhead will be touching your abs after you do a couple sets of 185 or whatever "light weight" you have to use.......... then you meet her back at your place.
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I have posted here very few times but this is some good reading. I have lifted around 7 or 8 years now. Started off as a fat kid that never touched a weight before, never sat on a bench press or never could do ONE pullup. Moved to California lived by the beach and realized if I wanted to pull any strange I would need to be lean. I had no clue where to start but stop eating and start exercising. Not sure the time period maybe 2 to 3 months all I consumed was gatoraide(as a ignorant young I bought into their media propaganda just like the rest of the supplement industry) and about one can of tuna a day and rode my bike many miles on the boardwalk everyday. I went from 210 to 165 in those 2 to 3 months. Long story short my mom flew out to see me, she stepped off the plane and her jaw dropped. She thought I looked like absolute shit, completely malnourished, looking bad at it I did. I "lean" but still did not have abs and just looked odd, tiny shoulder blades sticking out, etc.
So what GAL says is very true. Do not fasting in excess or too little calories as a natty or you will end up being skinny fat and you will lose muscle, a lot.
On other note, not to steal the thread or that anyone cares but I was the typical "PERMABULKER" after moment my mom saw me, I ate your "clean meals" of brown rice, chicken, veggies, and only mustard. I went from 165 back past 220 in maybe 6 to 8 months. I was that kid who thought damn I'm huge and gaining weight. To boost your ego you have other PERMABULKERS giving you compliments on how huge your getting, your THICK, damn your STRONG, or do you play FOOTBALL? That should have been the clue.... none of those comments mean your a lean mean killing machine but you a fatass with muscle or I see you have 19 inch arms that make your shirt tight because you have a 15 inch arm with fat layered around. I realized I wasn't bodybuilding or looking better eating these "clean meals" I was eating in a calorie excess just as True Adonis speaks. Hate True Adonis or not but his method is black and white. There are tons of weight loss products, methods, fads, etc. but they all boil down to one simple thing, if you eat less than your maintenance level calories you will lose weight, simple. If you do not drink alcohol you cannot get drunk.... simple right? As GAL and True Adonis already mentioned be careful when you start dipping too low or fasting too long if your not on gear. GAL and TA's plan are not hard, they suck at first, but for those who can't function without 2000 plus calories a day while dieting... LOL, lack of willpower. In a low cal state or fasted state you will feel more energy I have noticed, especially if you take any caffeine or stimulants because your stomach is empty. Take 300mg of caffeine after no eating for 12 hours and tell me it doesn't hit you hard and you cannot train good. You might not throw up PERMABULKER numbers but we are not in high school trying to get our name on the weight record chalk board for some old coach with a whistle around his neck. This is "BODY" "BUILDING" not "FAT BUILDING" or "POWERLIFTING" who cares if you can't bench 315 for reps while some permabulker can......
His girlfriend's forhead will be touching your abs after you do a couple sets of 185 or whatever "lift weight" you have to use, then you meet her back at your place.
:D,,GOOD READ
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and you call mine thin? ;D
yo, if i need sticks when im eating chinese food next time, can i lend your legs for that?
:D
challenge time. cold bathroom shot right now. none of this taking pics in a dark room with angled lighting with a pump trickery bs. time to get real playboy. 8)
the rest of these nerds might think of you as some kind of legend, but your talking to god among men now my friend. :D
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Also I have been fat without lifting, looked like an AIDS patient skinny, been a giant mess of blubber with muscle aka Permabulker, a fat bloated mess on fear, a lean bloated mess on gear, lean/mean with size on gear, and now natural again.
For whoever cares but just to prove GAL's and TA'S methods I will post up some pics if anyone is interested. I was on a 2 streak of being on non stop and sitting around 240-250 bloated with water but visible abs maybe 13%. I planned on gaining 10 or so more pounds before I started my summer diet, next thing I know..... I wake up in a hospital bed hooked to all kinds of machines, tubes going out my mouth and nose, could not talk, had no clue wtf happened, my memory was gone and they had me strapped down so I could move my arms. That was in late March remained in the hospital until mid April. So my "summer plan" went to shit. I lost over 50 pounds. It was a wake up call, I had a 10% chance of living which I didn't know. After I was released I was not allowed nor could I even barely walk. So I ate an abundance of calories trying to save whatever muscle I had left and ended up looking like a mess. It sucks to see your body wither away so quick but shit happens. On May 11, I got the okay to start working out. I got the urge at home to try some pushups, barely got 1, pullup no way, lunges or bodyweight squat was too much. So from going full blast on tren, test, winny at hefty doses to absolute nothing, no PCT, and losing all this weight and strength from my hospital adventure. I am scared to get back on especially after such an event, and realized I looked like absolute shit, the only time I looked worse was before I started lifting. So my main goal was and now is to achieve an ultimate leans and maintain year round. I have only been on my diet and half ass "home workout" now for a little over 30 days, no point in going to the gym, all I can do is push ups and pullups with different varations and some squats with weight in a backpack or lunges. My shoulder is toast for some reason, noticed it when I woke up in the hospital and think its a rotator cuff prob so cannot really do shoulders right now and hurts even when doing certain types of pushups.
Long story short, I have been scared to lose my "precious" muscle with fasting, figured WHAT HAVE I GOT TO LOSE? so I have been eating 1500 calories daily, fasting 24 hours once a week if I cheat any, and eating only 3 to 4 meals a day otherwise. I am natural at this point and have been for 4 months, but have shredded fat like never before just using TA's strategy and actually call me a liar on this restricted calorie diet maintained my weight. I don't believe in the scale only mirror but I weight within 3 pounds of when I started this natural getting ripped journey. I have lost bodyfat of course but just a simple few brief exercises has kept and built muscle more than I even thought it would.
Step out of your comfort zone, eating 6-8 meals a day, 400,000 grams of protein a day, if you don't eat every 3 hours your body will eat all its muscle, and if you don't eat breakfast you whither away-it's the most important meal of the day I have read so many places....It means BREAK your FASTING.....bullshit. Eating a juicy big breakfast will make you tired again or skip breakfast and take fat burners for mental focus and insane energy then eat your lunch.
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Also I have been fat without lifting, looked like an AIDS patient skinny, been a giant mess of blubber with muscle aka Permabulker, a fat bloated mess on fear, a lean bloated mess on gear, lean/mean with size on gear, and now natural again.
For whoever cares but just to prove GAL's and TA'S methods I will post up some pics if anyone is interested. I was on a 2 streak of being on non stop and sitting around 240-250 bloated with water but visible abs maybe 13%. I planned on gaining 10 or so more pounds before I started my summer diet, next thing I know..... I wake up in a hospital bed hooked to all kinds of machines, tubes going out my mouth and nose, could not talk, had no clue wtf happened, my memory was gone and they had me strapped down so I could move my arms. That was in late March remained in the hospital until mid April. So my "summer plan" went to shit. I lost over 50 pounds. It was a wake up call, I had a 10% chance of living which I didn't know. After I was released I was not allowed nor could I even barely walk. So I ate an abundance of calories trying to save whatever muscle I had left and ended up looking like a mess. It sucks to see your body wither away so quick but shit happens. On May 11, I got the okay to start working out. I got the urge at home to try some pushups, barely got 1, pullup no way, lunges or bodyweight squat was too much. So from going full blast on tren, test, winny at hefty doses to absolute nothing, no PCT, and losing all this weight and strength from my hospital adventure. I am scared to get back on especially after such an event, and realized I looked like absolute shit, the only time I looked worse was before I started lifting. So my main goal was and now is to achieve an ultimate leans and maintain year round. I have only been on my diet and half ass "home workout" now for a little over 30 days, no point in going to the gym, all I can do is push ups and pullups with different varations and some squats with weight in a backpack or lunges. My shoulder is toast for some reason, noticed it when I woke up in the hospital and think its a rotator cuff prob so cannot really do shoulders right now and hurts even when doing certain types of pushups.
Long story short, I have been scared to lose my "precious" muscle with fasting, figured WHAT HAVE I GOT TO LOSE? so I have been eating 1500 calories daily, fasting 24 hours once a week if I cheat any, and eating only 3 to 4 meals a day otherwise. I am natural at this point and have been for 4 months, but have shredded fat like never before just using TA's strategy and actually call me a liar on this restricted calorie diet maintained my weight. I don't believe in the scale only mirror but I weight within 3 pounds of when I started this natural getting ripped journey. I have lost bodyfat of course but just a simple few brief exercises has kept and built muscle more than I even thought it would.
Step out of your comfort zone, eating 6-8 meals a day, 400,000 grams of protein a day, if you don't eat every 3 hours your body will eat all its muscle, and if you don't eat breakfast you whither away-it's the most important meal of the day I have read so many places....It means BREAK your FASTING.....bullshit. Eating a juicy big breakfast will make you tired again or skip breakfast and take fat burners for mental focus and insane energy then eat your lunch.
wtf....what happened to you that you ended up in the hospital?
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Jonas Salk approved 8)
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It was a wake up call, I had a 10% chance of living which I didn't know.
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Doctors always lowball that "chance of living number" so it looks more like a "miracle" when you eventually pull through
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bouncer thats just bit unfortunate angle of the pic, the legs are same size as ever.
but i dont remember ever seeing yours ??? :)
The guy has a face only a mother could love regardless of his leg size.
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The guy has a face only a mother could love regardless of his leg size.
LOL...
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Doctors always lowball that "chance of living number" so it looks more like a "miracle" when you eventually pull through
I didn't realize you were a doctor? Interesting...
The purpose of my post WAS NOT INTENDED to get people asking what happened to me, feel sorry or HI-JACK this thread. If that was the case I would have rambled about my hospital visit, permanent changes that have occurred to me mentally, the fact I was told ADIOS by my wife shortly after my visit, how I have over $230k in medical bills now, etc.... NO, it was to contribute to what GAL is trying to help teach everyone, it's why he enjoys helping people get ripped remember he is not being paid for this.
There are so many "kids" and that includes grown ass men who STILL read Flex magazine like the bible, walk around with a lunchbox in one hand with a "Shaker Ball Mixer" in the other, shovel down excess protein, do the same workout routine or diet strategy as their favorite pro or what their "BRO" tells me will work..... I know this because I once was in that same "mindset". Following everything to a "T" from magazines and online forums. When I read something like GAL or TA's advice, I thought that's insane those guys are idiots etc. After taking college classes on exercise science, working at supplement stores/gyms when I was younger, and through my personal experience I started to question the "Bodybuilding Propaganda". Besides those genetically gifted, how do so many prisoners get in such good shape eating red beans and rice, saving up for a can of tuna, and the other bullshit processed meals they receive? Not only that but they are usually very limited on equipment and have to improvise. I was so scared to lose any muscle I had gained through dieting wrong or thought I had to write down every lift and the weight. But I decided to try what some of you think is a "radical" approach. Once I took off the blinders sold to you through forums, media, "bro-advice" which is usually something read from online or a magazine then relayed to you, that follows "Bodybuilding" diets and workouts sparked from a Group of wealthy men who own a supplement company which conveniently own a magazine which conveniently promotes eating this amount of protein and workout like your favorite pro....you know the rest.
I guess my point is there are many ways to achieve your goals, in bodybuilding or life in general. 99% of people are going to follow the masses and talk negative about "radical" methods or taking "risks". 99% of the population needs that comfort/reassurance that "everyone else is doing it so it must be right!" or they are flat lack the willpower to step out of their comfort zone and try anything new in life. If you don't try you will never have the chance to know if something works or not, you may fail or achieve your goals maybe beyond. If you have the willpower and determination to achieve your goals in this case being super shredded you will get back up and try again, stop being a pussy and being scared.
I am not some wise old man but god damn, some peoples lack of willpower is sickening. If you have excuses for a reason why your not lean that means you are to damn weak in the mind. People such as GAL and TA and many others on here are not to preach to you bullshit why their way is better, it's just ONE way that has proven to work for people and backed up with evidence. You permabulkers deep down inside do not want to be fat, you may never admit this out loud, but you know this inside..... so you have the motivation lingering in your body somewhere to diet and become lean, start/follow diet advice from "NORMAL" people who are not making any money off this and stop reading your Bodybuilding Propaganda bullshit who are making BILLIONS of $$$$$$'s a year off your weak mind and will continue to until you decide its time to change and that has to come from within. So let GAL and others INSPIRE you to bring that underlying motivation to have the body you truly want, that's all I am trying to get across. Apply those same concepts in other aspects of your life, stop following the masses or what society says is "normal", grow some balls take some risk's, you mail fail but eventually you will succeed and be a much happier/confident person.
Wheew that was one hell of a rant.
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I didn't realize you were a doctor? Interesting...
The purpose of my post WAS NOT INTENDED to get people asking what happened to me, feel sorry or HI-JACK this thread. If that was the case I would have rambled about my hospital visit, permanent changes that have occurred to me mentally, the fact I was told ADIOS by my wife shortly after my visit, how I have over $230k in medical bills now, etc.... NO, it was to contribute to what GAL is trying to help teach everyone, it's why he enjoys helping people get ripped remember he is not being paid for this.
There are so many "kids" and that includes grown ass men who STILL read Flex magazine like the bible, walk around with a lunchbox in one hand with a "Shaker Ball Mixer" in the other, shovel down excess protein, do the same workout routine or diet strategy as their favorite pro or what their "BRO" tells me will work..... I know this because I once was in that same "mindset". Following everything to a "T" from magazines and online forums. When I read something like GAL or TA's advice, I thought that's insane those guys are idiots etc. After taking college classes on exercise science, working at supplement stores/gyms when I was younger, and through my personal experience I started to question the "Bodybuilding Propaganda". Besides those genetically gifted, how do so many prisoners get in such good shape eating red beans and rice, saving up for a can of tuna, and the other bullshit processed meals they receive? Not only that but they are usually very limited on equipment and have to improvise. I was so scared to lose any muscle I had gained through dieting wrong or thought I had to write down every lift and the weight. But I decided to try what some of you think is a "radical" approach. Once I took off the blinders sold to you through forums, media, "bro-advice" which is usually something read from online or a magazine then relayed to you, that follows "Bodybuilding" diets and workouts sparked from a Group of wealthy men who own a supplement company which conveniently own a magazine which conveniently promotes eating this amount of protein and workout like your favorite pro....you know the rest.
I guess my point is there are many ways to achieve your goals, in bodybuilding or life in general. 99% of people are going to follow the masses and talk negative about "radical" methods or taking "risks". 99% of the population needs that comfort/reassurance that "everyone else is doing it so it must be right!" or they are flat lack the willpower to step out of their comfort zone and try anything new in life. If you don't try you will never have the chance to know if something works or not, you may fail or achieve your goals maybe beyond. If you have the willpower and determination to achieve your goals in this case being super shredded you will get back up and try again, stop being a pussy and being scared.
I am not some wise old man but god damn, some peoples lack of willpower is sickening. If you have excuses for a reason why your not lean that means you are to damn weak in the mind. People such as GAL and TA and many others on here are not to preach to you bullshit why their way is better, it's just ONE way that has proven to work for people and backed up with evidence. You permabulkers deep down inside do not want to be fat, you may never admit this out loud, but you know this inside..... so you have the motivation lingering in your body somewhere to diet and become lean, start/follow diet advice from "NORMAL" people who are not making any money off this and stop reading your Bodybuilding Propaganda bullshit who are making BILLIONS of $$$$$$'s a year off your weak mind and will continue to until you decide its time to change and that has to come from within. So let GAL and others INSPIRE you to bring that underlying motivation to have the body you truly want, that's all I am trying to get across. Apply those same concepts in other aspects of your life, stop following the masses or what society says is "normal", grow some balls take some risk's, you mail fail but eventually you will succeed and be a much happier/confident person.
Wheew that was one hell of a rant.
I don't think you need to worry about highjacking the thread, nobody is going to read that. Although ibdid make it past sentence 1.
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CLIFFNOTES LOL
I am not some wise old man but god damn, some peoples lack of willpower is sickening. If you have excuses for a reason why your not lean that means you are to damn weak in the mind. People such as GAL and TA and many others on here are not to preach to you bullshit why their way is better, it's just ONE way that has proven to work for people and backed up with evidence. You permabulkers deep down inside do not want to be fat, you may never admit this out loud, but you know this inside..... so you have the motivation lingering in your body somewhere to diet and become lean, start/follow diet advice from "NORMAL" people who are not making any money off this and stop reading your Bodybuilding Propaganda bullshit who are making BILLIONS of $$$$$$'s a year off your weak mind and will continue to until you decide its time to change and that has to come from within. So let GAL and others INSPIRE you to bring that underlying motivation to have the body you truly want, that's all I am trying to get across. Apply those same concepts in other aspects of your life, stop following the masses or what society says is "normal", grow some balls take some risk's, you mail fail but eventually you will succeed and be a much happier/confident person.
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The reason why people can't follow these protocols is because they aren't even open to the idea of just using sheer will power. They pour the same amount of energy in the endless search for a gimmick, a certain protocol that cuts corners and gets them results with as little effort as possible. The simple answer is too bland for them. They need some romanticized, secret, esoteric, gimmicky, intriguing protocol. I've seen so many fucknutts waste so much time and money on useless shit and look exactly the same over the years. Look at how much Crossfit exploded. Douchebags are all over that and all that happens is they gain a bit of newb strength. Still look exactly the same.
Tell someone to cut their calories and stop with the stupid "cheat meals" and "cheat days" and they immediately turn a cheek... well, too bad for them. Been super committed to listening to gal and no one's advices and making tons of progress. I can shamefully admit that I got a bit too comfortable. I got really lean and ended up cheating more and more often. Not juicing for a year was a big kick in the groin. I got heart-healthy but my composition was pretty poor. It was helpful in the end though. Combined with the enthusiasm I gained from this thread I haven't been looking this good in a long time.
I used to subscribe to the cheat meal/refill/carb up BS. If you just motor through things and keep training your balls off, the fat loss continues to compound. I do cheat whenever I feel like it still (still under 7% bf so it's not like I'm a fat ass) but I noticed that if I fight the cravings it REALLY pays off the next day. When you're under 8% bf, having a good day or a bad day will really show the next morning. If you're a fat ass, you'll just look like a fat ass all the time. When you're LEAN the changes can be really apparent. Will try posting pics soon. Keep the discussions going. More pics too. Need more fap material.
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still under 7% bf so it's not like I'm a fat ass
pics?
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little hairy but here ya go. no pump, just cold bathroom shot.
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this is actually crossing the line of how bad your legs can be before it becomes a joke
sorry pal
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this is actually crossing the line of how bad your legs can be before it becomes a joke
sorry pal
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Have I?
I don't care about legs size but I wanna squat 300kg :(
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Have I?
I don't care about legs size but I wanna squat 300kg :(
you are crossing the line on the other side
entering musclebear homo mode with them sweeps
gotta keep it proportionately smaller than upper body to look hetero
but for 300kg squat you gotta permabulk yourself to superfatass methinks
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you are crossing the line on the other side
entering musclebear homo mode with them sweeps
gotta keep it proportionately smaller than upper body to look hetero
but for 300kg squat you gotta permabulk yourself to superfatass methinks
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Looks lean to me.
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stoitsov is world class lifter
let's be realistic here, you are a computer programmer
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Have I?
I don't care about legs size but I wanna squat 300kg :(
Monster hotel room shared with male friend you hope to turn gay ,thus the twin single beds to coax him in, brutal cut on shin from scratching it on the restroom floor while sucking off horny muscle bears down at the blue oyster bar during happy ending hour.
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deciever cool quads ,,,big and swole,,
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Anabolichalo your sounding more and more like another get big guru, lets see your wheels...
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Anabolichalo your sounding more and more like another get big guru, lets see your wheels...
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^^^ LOL!!!
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gets me from A to B know what am sayin'
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Let's see the whole body for a fair judgement.
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theres vids in the thread.
oh and theres a female chapter in the booklet hahaahahaa ;D
did you actually write a bodybuilding manual?
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am currently collecting one, alng with "noone".
today at the beach, jealous stares from all men, vaginal waterfalls from all women
if they read the manual they wouldnt have to stare,they could do it themselves 8)
only if they have a full head of hair it will matter
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thanks for gaying up the thread with your 'leg pics' homos.
you think anyone gives a fuck about your legs?
nothing like posting a picture of your crotch on a message board frequented by men, to gain acceptanc from other men.
no, nothing weird about that at all.
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Have I?
I don't care about legs size but I wanna squat 300kg :(
My dear "tank shrapnel to the face" boy. How on earth do you have viens in your quads, yet have the abs of an 14 year old trombone player?
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thanks for gaying up the thread with your 'leg pics' homos.
you think anyone gives a fuck about your legs?
nothing like posting a picture of your crotch on a message board frequented by men, to gain acceptanc from other men.
no, nothing weird about that at all.
x2
Keep your studly non homosexual half naked muscle pics taken in random truck stop bathrooms from the waist up please.
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thanks for gaying up the thread with your 'leg pics' homos.
you think anyone gives a fuck about your legs?
nothing like posting a picture of your crotch on a message board frequented by men, to gain acceptanc from other men.
no, nothing weird about that at all.
tell me whats the difference between that and posting other bodyparts which you as I remember have done, as well as your pal?
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As a AAS novice, I understand DBOL is typically your wet/bulking agent but is there a place for it when you're in a major cal deficit and on no carbs and running something like mast or even throwing in an AI?
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tell me whats the difference between that and posting other bodyparts which you as I remember have done, as well as your pal?
a) i didnt post my pics for attention, unlike you, you dimwit. i was either forced into a position to a prove what i was talking about, or b win a bet with TA. galeniko posts pics cause its his thread and people want to see how shredded this cat is getting on his own dieting advise. maybe you can show me where in this thread anyone asked you for advise on dieting? exactly. now pipe down, put your pants on and just follow along and you might learn something here.
b) see the original post you quoted for the answer. what is it with you and quoting posts to ask questions that already contain the answers to your questions? are you polish or something?
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a) i didnt post my pics for attention, unlike you, you dimwit. i was either forced into a position to a prove what i was talking about, or b win a bet with TA. galeniko posts pics cause its his thread and people want to see how shredded this cat is getting on his own dieting advise. maybe you can show me where in this thread anyone asked you for advise on dieting? exactly. now pipe down, put your pants on and just follow along and you might learn something here.
b) see the original post you quoted for the answer. what is it with you and quoting posts to ask questions that already contain the answers to your questions? are you polish or something?
B[HE IS POLISH I THINK..
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As a AAS novice, I understand DBOL is typically your wet/bulking agent but is there a place for it when you're in a major cal deficit and on no carbs and running something like mast or even throwing in an AI?
the way gal's body functions and mine is different in a lot of ways, including tolerances to certain compounds. more proof its the system that is doing this, not just any one part of the system as parts of it varies drastically for both of us.
he'll cover what his experiences have been with what compounds, and i'll cover mine. i'll just say now for the record when you get really lean, the whole idea is to not want the 'type' of water associated w dbol anywhere on your body. whats the sense of covering up all that hard work with a layer of film, and walking around with a moon face? chicks like a lean face, with strong jaw lines, not waterlogged jowls. it triggers in them some kind of biological response to what could be a possible mate. there are much better compounds suited for what it is you are referring to.
disgusted likes anadrol when in a situation like this. i have used it and like it as well. i'll get into a list of compounds you might want to look at, and the combinations/doses to use depending on the look your after. this is important. you can look markedly different at very low bf levels just by using certain compounds (think 5% and a guy who looks full and round, vs 5% and a guy who does have that type of fullness and roundness but more of a grainer harder sharper look- and no, im not talking about diuretics or AI's. gal and i both do not use them, we'll tell you why, and cover that as well). so basically the bf level stays the same, the compounds provide drastically different looks. we'll tell you what ones we like for the different type of 'look' you want to achieve.
in this regard, and i have said it before and i'll back up what he said again, bob chick took / takes a lot of heat for his 'drugs are just the finishing touch' comment. but he is 100% bang on if its being used in the context of what i have written here.
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B[HE IS POLISH I THINK..
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Monster hotel room shared with male friend you hope to turn gay ,thus the twin single beds to coax him in, brutal cut on shin from scratching it on the restroom floor while sucking off horny muscle bears down at the blue oyster bar during happy ending hour.
;D ;D ;D
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with one main thing that most dont get, from a certain bodyfat level and above, the compound matter very little, from bbuilding aspect pov 12%+ obeseity,nothing matters, nothing but getting lean should matter, 12%+is unacceptable.for various reasons.
and yes bob chicirelo was valueable poster, but was shoted down with the naive"all drugs" mantra.
this is already covered,as im posting this.
drugs are indeed the finishing touch, if anyone uses them for other purpses,he better rethink his plans.
X2,,,
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why is gal typing funny
is he doing a gh 15 parody
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why is gal typing funny
is he doing a gh 15 parody
???..MAYBE,,
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He's always typed in the same manner. Hopefully they get a good proofreader for this booklet ;D
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He's always typed in the same manner. Hopefully they get a good proofreader for this booklet ;D
Nah, at this point, I can read Galish fluently.
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It helps if you read it in the style of Borat. ;D
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Gal can you go into detail on what happens when girls see you and pussy gets wet? Does it really get wet through clothes, they start blushing, get nervous avoid eye contact? Tell us the details I'm sure it's funny they way they behave when they see 6% ripped galeniko.
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LOL ;D
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Ha great response man! :D definitely needs a chapter in the book.
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Sucking on toes must be the secret to getting shredded by way of annihilating ones appetite. Those pics are EPIC ;D
So anyone else here galeniko shredded yet?
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you're lucky you're as popular as you are here, or that pic could have become shopped into a disgusting oblivion
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Toes look kinda fat, gal she wasn't a fatso swine was she? :-\
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how much coke had you done in those pics, your lips have coke chap, and ring of powder on your nose, why are you so small
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cswol wishing those were his bunions in galeniko's mouth
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cswol is too hardcore to fuck a female.
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It helps if you read it in the style of Borat. ;D
great sucess!!
will u buy me sister?
5 dolalr amerikana !!!
best whore in all kazakstan
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you dont need big thighs
developed calves are pretty much a requirement to look decent tho
women often laugh at stick man calves
but thighs no not really
just train thighs every few weeks and that's enough
Women like a nice firm butt on a fellow. I don't know about calves. Big quads are an indicator of strength.
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most women say i got the absolute perfect legs, shape,sizeand condition.they say perfect, not just "good".
bbuildingjudge wouldnt say so, but theyre not my target public.
;D...
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down about 10 lbs in two weeks on 1000-1500 calories a day, with a cheatish day every 4 days or so
gave up on the "dont eat until hungry" thing, as i was never getting hungry, just headaches and lethargy. so i just eat three times a day or so, whenever convenient. only one real "meal" the rest are protein drinks.
i look a little bit leaner, but not that much for 10 lbs (given i was already fairly lean starting out) :-\
the one thing is, i'm definitely not getting 200 g protein a day, sometimes not even 100g probably, though i started drinking more whey and egg whites to deal with this a bit.
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galeniko looking like tony danza
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short and small
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down about 10 lbs in two weeks on 1000-1500 calories a day, with a cheatish day every 4 days or so
gave up on the "dont eat until hungry" thing, as i was never getting hungry, just headaches and lethargy. so i just eat three times a day or so, whenever convenient. only one real "meal" the rest are protein drinks.
i look a little bit leaner, but not that much for 10 lbs (given i was already fairly lean starting out) :-\
the one thing is, i'm definitely not getting 200 g protein a day, sometimes not even 100g probably, though i started drinking more whey and egg whites to deal with this a bit.
Yup, thats what I hit first, the constant lethargy and brain fog due to no carbs.. Trick is to cut your inbetween meals to smaller and smaller size until you are left to eating 2-3 big meals a day and thats it. Now I'm almost down to just eating two meals a day. Once at lunchtime and one after gym/prior to bed.
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man, PEOPEL, the 200 gramms protein daily are mandatory on this, dont you understand.
you get fuck all other calories, you absolutely need that protein.
thats the whole point of this.
also, eating when not hungry is the biggest mistake, and protein shakes inbetween ,they shouldnt be there.
as for the dramaticweight losses with little fatloss at the beginning, this is the body going into fatburning state slwoly but definitely, the first couple lbs are water youre pissing out.
this is what i meant when i said the body needs quite some time to clean out from the junk foods, the water loss is the result of that process.
all this.
esp the eating when not hungry. what the fuck are you giving your body calories for that it isnt demanding? pay very close attention to what im about to say:
EVERYONE NEEDS TO THROW OUT EVERY PRECONCEIVED NOTION YOU HAVE EVER BELIEVED ABOUT 'DIETING' IF YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THIS.
that means bullshit like eating 'because your supposed to' and other broscience bullshit beliefs that people just blindly do 'cause they are supposed to'.
secondly i think your cals are too high. why 1500? im 240 i've had 1k cal today. i feel like im cheating when i go as high as 1200-1300. your cals are to high. cut them back. at 1500 you might be giving your body too much for it to not want to use your fat for fuel, and too little cals to use solely for energy. one the major points of this system is getting your body to use its fats for its fuel. thats where the results and the energy comes from.
you say you've only lost 10 pounds but dont look different? be realistic with your goals. you are not going to wake up tomorrow with a 6 pack. its going to take time to get there but this will get you there in half the time as most other 'diets'.
were not giving you a miracle here. its fucking hard work and discipline. if you think it was going to be easy think again. nobody said 'easy'. efficient, yes. optimal, yes. easy? not by a long shot.
im going to make this very clear. we are not giving anyone who has been lazy enough in the past to not be able to get in shape some kind of magic key here. this isnt what this is about. we are giving those who have the drive, discipline and desire to get into shape the fastest most efficient method to do so. if you think your going to follow this system, not suffer and wake up magically shredded i suggest you just stick to eating poorly and continue to yo-yo diet cause your only going to be sorely disappointed.
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So anyone else here galeniko shredded yet?
oui, monsieur
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oui, monsieur
But you're tiny.
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If you were to get the 200 strictly from turkey, you'd have to eat about three pounds a day. It seems contradictory to eat that much while at the same time waiting for hunger.
This might work for a young dude, but, for us middles age types, that's too much food, and, if you're gonna tell me age makes no,difference, ask yourselves why you're not seeing any 45 year olds playing in the NBA Finals.
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But you're tiny.
up 2.5 kilos
and never said i was big
the funny thing is, i'm going to compete in some bp comps here and i was checking good lifts per weight class and i can be competitive in the 74 kg class (163) but in the 83 kg class (182) i'd get my ass handed to me :'(
so i wanna kinda keep my weight in check, but i can still add about 4 kg of bodyweight and still make the 74's
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If you were to get the 200 strictly from turkey, you'd have to eat about three pounds a day. It seems contradictory to eat that much while at the same time waiting for hunger.
This might work for a young dude, but, for us middles age types, that's too much food, and, if you're gonna tell me age makes no,difference, ask yourselves why you're not seeing any 45 year olds playing in the NBA Finals.
You consider 3 lbs of turkey per day a challenge? ??? Granted, this is probably why I'm fat, but that's nothing!
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up 2.5 kilos
and never said i was big
the funny thing is, i'm going to compete in some bp comps here and i was checking good lifts per weight class and i can be competitive in the 74 kg class (163) but in the 83 kg class (182) i'd get my ass handed to me :'(
so i wanna kinda keep my weight in check, but i can still add about 4 kg of bodyweight and still make the 74's
Explanation meltdown...just fucking with you.
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man, PEOPEL, the 200 gramms protein daily are mandatory on this, dont you understand.
you get fuck all other calories, you absolutely need that protein.
thats the whole point of this.
also, eating when not hungry is the biggest mistake, and protein shakes inbetween ,they shouldnt be there.
as for the dramaticweight losses with little fatloss at the beginning, this is the body going into fatburning state slwoly but definitely, the first couple lbs are water youre pissing out.
this is what i meant when i said the body needs quite some time to clean out from the junk foods, the water loss is the result of that process.
you may address me directly ;D
at first i was following your steps as closely as possible, but the problem is, i wasn't getting hungry. sure, i would get hungry eventually, but first would come much worse symptoms -- headaches, specifically. i simply can't deal with that. however, i will try to get back on track with 200 grams protein... i don't feel like i need that much though. i mean, whats the difference between 150 grams protein and 50 grams carbs? it's not like i have that much muscle anyway.
all this.
esp the eating when not hungry. what the fuck are you giving your body calories for that it isnt demanding? pay very close attention to what im about to say:
EVERYONE NEEDS TO THROW OUT EVERY PRECONCEIVED NOTION YOU HAVE EVER BELIEVED ABOUT 'DIETING' IF YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THIS.
i have thrown out the notion "eating low calories will cause you to lose muscle." that's the main principle i'm putting my trust in as a result of this thread.
that means bullshit like eating 'because your supposed to' and other broscience bullshit beliefs that people just blindly do 'cause they are supposed to'.
secondly i think your cals are too high. why 1500? im 240 i've had 1k cal today. i feel like im cheating when i go as high as 1200-1300. your cals are to high. cut them back. at 1500 you might be giving your body too much for it to not want to use your fat for fuel, and too little cals to use solely for energy. one the major points of this system is getting your body to use its fats for its fuel. thats where the results and the energy comes from.
I think 1500 is fine considering I've lost 10 fucking lbs in two weeks!
you say you've only lost 10 pounds but dont look different? be realistic with your goals. you are not going to wake up tomorrow with a 6 pack. its going to take time to get there but this will get you there in half the time as most other 'diets'.
I have a six pack. I think I'm about 10% or a little less... gh15 pegged me at 7%, a couple people here put me at 8%. 10 lbs, at this point, is a LOT for me to lose. I haven't been this light in over half a decade.
I just don't think I look as good as I did the last time I was at this weight, leading me to question my faith in the whole "you wont lose muscle" thing.
I dunno man. I'll stick with it for another couple weeks, at least, but so far a couple things aren't lining up for me:
First of all, following the rules didn't result in willpower-destroying levels of hunger. I had hunger pangs pretty bad for the first day or two, but after that nothing I had little appetite, and couldn't get 200 grams of protein in while still following the "only eat when hungry" rule... I simply couldn't get that hungry because, as mentioned, I would get super lethargic and headaches first. The lethargy, okay, I can deal with that since I'm "on vacation" now, but fuck headaches.
So, instead I, just said "okay, I'll just eat whenever I want, but still stick to about 1000 calories daily, mostly from protein". I had a couple cheatish days where I went up to 1500 or more, but mostly I've been hovering around 1000. Then I realized, galeniko said "50 grams of fat for naturals" and 200-300 grams protein. Well, going on the low end, thats 800 cals from protein and 450 from fat, 1250 total, and 1650 on the high end. So I figure, hell 1000-1500 daily average, why not. Also, as mentioned before, I also swapped some protein for carbs/fats. I've eaten as much as 500 grams protein daily, and as low as 100... never noticed a difference in body composition, so I figure it couldn't hurt to lower the protein.
Seems to be "working" so far in terms of weight loss, but is muscle being preserved? Time will tell, I suppose.
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you may address me directly ;D
at first i was following your steps as closely as possible, but the problem is, i wasn't getting hungry. sure, i would get hungry eventually, but first would come much worse symptoms -- headaches, specifically. i simply can't deal with that. however, i will try to get back on track with 200 grams protein... i don't feel like i need that much though. i mean, whats the difference between 150 grams protein and 50 grams carbs? it's not like i have that much muscle anyway.
i have thrown out the notion "eating low calories will cause you to lose muscle." that's the main principle i'm putting my trust in as a result of this thread.
I think 1500 is fine considering I've lost 10 fucking lbs in two weeks!
I have a six pack. I think I'm about 10% or a little less... gh15 pegged me at 7%, a couple people here put me at 8%. 10 lbs, at this point, is a LOT for me to lose. I haven't been this light in over half a decade.
I just don't think I look as good as I did the last time I was at this weight, leading me to question my faith in the whole "you wont lose muscle" thing.
I dunno man. I'll stick with it for another couple weeks, at least, but so far a couple things aren't lining up for me:
First of all, following the rules didn't result in willpower-destroying levels of hunger. I had hunger pangs pretty bad for the first day or two, but after that nothing I had little appetite, and couldn't get 200 grams of protein in while still following the "only eat when hungry" rule... I simply couldn't get that hungry because, as mentioned, I would get super lethargic and headaches first. The lethargy, okay, I can deal with that since I'm "on vacation" now, but fuck headaches.
So, instead I, just said "okay, I'll just eat whenever I want, but still stick to about 1000 calories daily, mostly from protein". I had a couple cheatish days where I went up to 1500 or more, but mostly I've been hovering around 1000. Then I realized, galeniko said "50 grams of fat for naturals" and 200-300 grams protein. Well, going on the low end, thats 800 cals from protein and 450 from fat, 1250 total, and 1650 on the high end. So I figure, hell 1000-1500 daily average, why not. Also, as mentioned before, I also swapped some protein for carbs/fats. I've eaten as much as 500 grams protein daily, and as low as 100... never noticed a difference in body composition, so I figure it couldn't hurt to lower the protein.
Seems to be "working" so far in terms of weight loss, but is muscle being preserved? Time will tell, I suppose.
this post > more broscience.
do you have any idea how much stress it requires to cause your body to canabalise lean tissue? you think eating 1500 cals a day might cause you to lose muscle? lol this is ridiculous.
if it were that easy to lose muscle none of us would be here. cavemen being nomadic hunter/gatherers would spend days tracking and hunting prey before making a kill and eating. but your going to lose muscle cause you cut the number of cals your body doesn't need down. makes no sense at all. why would you lose muscle from not giving your body cals it would either use to maintain your present level of bf or get you fatter? the cals your cutting are those being used to support the fat tissue you've spent years accumulating.
you guys need to get these stupid ideas out if your heads.
your not losing muscle. this goes one of two ways. you may look flat from an imbalance in your water, glycogen or sodium but that about it, or you didn't have as much lean tissue as you would have liked to believe you did to begin with. fat and lean tissue are two very different things.
it's that simple.
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NO ONE/GALENIKO,,,good reading here,,,for any one trying this or starting this,,keep in mind ,if ure eating 4-6 meals per day and layed out prot/carb/fat per meal/eating time,,at 1st reduce or take out the carb from that meal per day ,so meal 1 and 5 have carb 2 and 4 none or vice versa whatever ,,gradual so body gets used to it .
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galeniko, strap 100 lbs to ya and perform 25 pullups................. ..you cant do it, your abs and nutritional strategy arent going to save your ass on that day.
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galeniko, strap 100 lbs to ya and perform 25 pullups................. ..you cant do it, your abs and nutritional strategy arent going to save your ass on that day.
dude. you look like shit. galeniko has more lean tissue then you do, do you understand this?
i dont know what your problem is. you live in some kind of vacuum where you are not obese and think being fat makes up for lean tissue.
too bad we werent closer. id welcome you to the gym, shake your hand and proceed to bury you. you'd quickly learn the difference between lean tissue and cellulose. then i'd buy you a coffee after, we could sit down and re think your strategy cause trust me brother, what your doing isnt working. cheers.
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Galeniko and no one, could you elaborate on the evolution/history of this diet and the mistakes that were until you arrived at the right "recipe"?
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galeniko is a twink in reality, goes on getbig crying why do people say hes small................... .OWNED
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Galeniko if I had the money I would fly back to Sweden and just to show up and shut you down in your gym you flash abs at and parade around like your the shit at 210 lbs
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Galeniko if I had the money I would fly back to Sweden and just to show up and shut you down in your gym you flash abs at and parade around like your the shit at 210 lbs
I THINK HE'S IN SWITZERLAND ..YOU WOULD BE PAYING DOUBLE FOR PLANE TICKETS..
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I THINK HE'S IN SWITZERLAND ..YOU WOULD BE PAYING DOUBLE FOR PLANE TICKETS..
Cause he needs 2 seats to fit his fat ass.
;D
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Cause he needs 2 seats to fit his fat ass.
;D
well man, he's clearly BOSS so he'd be flying 1st CLASS
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I meant Switzerland, I was already in galenikos city once a year n half ago, I can make it back there!
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I meant Switzerland, I was already in galenikos city once a year n half ago, I can make it back there!
You seem awfully interested in meeting men from the internet bro
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But can you do 25 full rom pull ups or chin ups? That is the true question here no? ;D ;D ;D
here is my answer to diabetesboy formerly know as cswol about pullup:
my back,today,still going strong, check the dry volcano hole between the ripped shoulders with peperthin skin and the striated traps.
striations on lats, xmas tree even though its summer.
also check epic leans face and epic metrosexual hairstyle.
i have just talked to a pro at the beach and he said this is 1or 2 days diuretic tricks away from competition mode.i hope this helps you obese whale.
BOOM
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg.html)
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I'm not normally an envious person but I'm starting to hate you galeniko ;D
I can go all day eating/not eating perfectly but come night time is when I can fuck it up. Yesterday I waited all day to eat and had one big meal right before going to bed thinking I'd sleep like a baby. Couple hours later I woke up starving and had a carb attack. Other than telling me I'm a fatso is there anything you think could help?
I'm considering sleeping pills....
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here is my answer to diabetesboy formerly know as cswol about pullup:
my back,today,still going strong, check the dry volcano hole between the ripped shoulders with peperthin skin and the striated traps.
striations on lats, xmas tree even though its summer.
also check epic leans face and epic metrosexual hairstyle.
i have just talked to a pro at the beach and he said this is 1or 2 days diuretic tricks away from competition mode.i hope this helps you obese whale.
BOOM
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg.html)
Sweet Jesus Castillo!
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(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg.html)
jesus.
i think this is the leanest i have ever seen anyone- i know for fact ive never seen anyone this lean irl. but its not just the leanness its the density you have. like your just lean sinew. 'technically' you should be wasting away ::)
in pics the only guy i can think of is hamdullah aykutlug. he comes to mind cause i find you two you guys have a very similar 'look'. different from muntzers. muntzers screamed unhealthy and chemicals. the 'look' you and hammy ak have comes from strict calorie reduction.
you can see the difference in the quality and sharpness of guys use use calories instead of chemicals.
well done sir. how much deeper you think you can go? jesus man. thats crazy lol
NO diuretics, NO burners, NO anti estrogens just knowing how to manipulate your body. much props dude.
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here is my answer to diabetesboy formerly know as cswol about pullup:
my back,today,still going strong, check the dry volcano hole between the ripped shoulders with peperthin skin and the striated traps.
striations on lats, xmas tree even though its summer.
also check epic leans face and epic metrosexual hairstyle.
i have just talked to a pro at the beach and he said this is 1or 2 days diuretic tricks away from competition mode.i hope this helps you obese whale.
BOOM
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg.html)
SHREDDED BACK,,HOW ABOUT THE PUCKERED LIPS IN THE MIRROR NARCISSILIENKO...
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great back gal
not sure about the pouting lips in the mirror
you after the gay vote bro
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nah to take pic had to move head up a bit.
comeon, am very aggressive from dieting dont bother me with bullshit like "cathering for the homos", dont be such childs, i think i proven forever into stone pure heterosexuality.
of all the hardasses here on "harsh" forum, nobody went remotely as far as i did, as far women are concerned.
i usaly dont even bother adressing the "gay" stuff, its so predictable and boring, but i hope now this is settled.ill ignore such comments again from now on.
if it was atleast funny, everyone knows i can laugh about myself, id join such discussions, but its just boring-dumb.
it drags the thread in undesired direction, about as useful as shizzos drunk ramblings.
fuck off you arrogant prick
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dont hold back, let it flow ;D
nah sorry if that was harsh ;D
:-*
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here is my answer to diabetesboy formerly know as cswol about pullup:
my back,today,still going strong, check the dry volcano hole between the ripped shoulders with peperthin skin and the striated traps.
striations on lats, xmas tree even though its summer.
also check epic leans face and epic metrosexual hairstyle.
i have just talked to a pro at the beach and he said this is 1or 2 days diuretic tricks away from competition mode.i hope this helps you obese whale.
BOOM
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130618_190916_zpsa3e7e969.jpg.html)
You are a legend. Props are given.
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I'm not normally an envious person but I'm starting to hate you galeniko ;D
I can go all day eating/not eating perfectly but come night time is when I can fuck it up. Yesterday I waited all day to eat and had one big meal right before going to bed thinking I'd sleep like a baby. Couple hours later I woke up starving and had a carb attack. Other than telling me I'm a fatso is there anything you think could help?
I'm considering sleeping pills....
My method is to simply not keep white carbs in the apartment. That said, three weeks into this, I don't even miss the white carbs. I'm guessing I'm at about 8% down from about 11% when I started. There's a YouTube of Levrone having his bf tested and determined to be 8%. It's a good basis for comparison. I'll post it later when I get to a real computer.
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My method is to simply not keep white carbs in the apartment. That said, three weeks into this, I don't even miss the white carbs. I'm guessing I'm at about 8% down from about 11% when I started. There's a YouTube of Levrone having his bf tested and determined to be 8%. It's a good basis for comparison. I'll post it later when I get to a real computer.
My problem is the bad habit of the late night eating itself which is what I need to work on. Started back when trying to "bulk" as a natural (lol) and made it a point to eat every time I'd wake up to piss. It's not so much a concern when maintaining and I've found ways to work around it but when dieting I'm not likely to make the best dietary choices being that I'm half asleep.
Only time I was able to sleep the whole night without waking up in years was when using valium. Not willing to go down that path again though cause I know many guys in bbing fall into some nasty addictions in efforts to kill pain, lethargy, hunger...etc. Guys become walking pharmacies to combat side effects. You take drugs to grow, than something bloat, why not take something for hunger which in turn gives you insomnia, than you take a benzo/sleeping pill to fall asleep etc etc.
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meltdown.
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this post > more broscience.
do you have any idea how much stress it requires to cause your body to canabalise lean tissue? you think eating 1500 cals a day might cause you to lose muscle? lol this is ridiculous.
if it were that easy to lose muscle none of us would be here. cavemen being nomadic hunter/gatherers would spend days tracking and hunting prey before making a kill and eating. but your going to lose muscle cause you cut the number of cals your body doesn't need down. makes no sense at all. why would you lose muscle from not giving your body cals it would either use to maintain your present level of bf or get you fatter? the cals your cutting are those being used to support the fat tissue you've spent years accumulating.
you guys need to get these stupid ideas out if your heads.
your not losing muscle. this goes one of two ways. you may look flat from an imbalance in your water, glycogen or sodium but that about it, or you didn't have as much lean tissue as you would have liked to believe you did to begin with. fat and lean tissue are two very different things.
it's that simple.
LOL you call MY post "broscience"??? because I talk about my concerns after having followed your precious method, when you then proceed to post bunch of assumption rife "reasoning"... the irony ::)
rofl, dude honest advice: you need to relax. i'm one of the few people earnestly trying to follow your/gal's method, and if i voice my experiences you act like someone is trying to kidnap your children.
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My problem is the bad habit of the late night eating itself which is what I need to work on. Started back when trying to "bulk" as a natural (lol) and made it a point to eat every time I'd wake up to piss. It's not so much a concern when maintaining and I've found ways to work around it but when dieting I'm not likely to make the best dietary choices being that I'm half asleep.
Only time I was able to sleep the whole night without waking up in years was when using valium. Not willing to go down that path again though cause I know many guys in bbing fall into some nasty addictions in efforts to kill pain, lethargy, hunger...etc. Many guys become walking pharmacies to combat side effects. You take drugs to grow, than something bloat, why not take something for hunger which in turn gives you insomnia, than you take a benzo/sleeping pill to fall asleep etc etc.
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meltdown.
I think what you are saying is the symptoms of one drug causes action which needs a reaction so take another drug the cycle continues next thing you know you are on all kinds of stuff.
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I think what you are saying is the symptoms of one drug causes action which needs a reaction so take another drug the cycle continues next thing you know you are on all kinds of stuff.
Exactly.
Before you know it you're in a run down hotel room wearing a bunny suit thinking what on earth have I done with myself.
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i just have the biggest meal before going to sleep, this way i get hungry sometime in the night, but sleep through.
so much for the dont eat before bedtime broscience.
the good thing, with this shredded look i mustnt explain what is wrong and why, what i do and did is simply obviously the right way.
yes dont ovethink stuff, keep everything simple.
dont think about gyno and hairloss and all,if you do, better to seek other hobby.
Yeah you do this with very little and people should take note. People will put all sorts of things in their bodies to achieve a certain look and it's simply not needed. The pros are on another level...most of us here just wanna look a little better to enjoy life.
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galenko is one of those crazy mexicans who sees no future health issues arising from such habits
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one example is ppl shouldnt even think once about choice of peds before they reach 6%.
they sit there in their fat corpses and daydreamhow tren will be the best thing for them,when they should just stop thinking,stfu,and train like animals until 6%.
THEN we can talk peds.
surely it hasnt escaped your attention that i never posted again in steroid section,bc its a joke to argue with ppl whoneverposteda pic and obvious drugpushers advicing newcomers to do cycles i wouldnt reccomend to my worst enemies.
its an absolute joke if someone whos over 10% has to think what ped he should take.
or how much.leaves me to question if they have any sense for reality.
and the joke goes further than that, the predictable what about gyno what about test levels not recovering blabla comes next.
listen to the guys who been there and can be trusted.or try for yourself.thats all the options there are.
so many tren fatsos, and i have to listen to anything they say?haha
Yeah I noticed you stopped posting there. Its useless to give out your kind of advice to guys still looking for magic pills and potions. Countless guys have run tren/mast/gh etc and still haven't reached your level of conditioning. You prove stuff like that is not needed but nobody wants to acknowledge what they lack is discipline and instead rely on the type of "cycle" they should run.
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Yeah I noticed you stopped posting there. Its useless to give out your kind of advice to guys still looking for magic pills and potions. Countless guys have run tren/mast/gh etc and still haven't reached your level of conditioning. You prove stuff like that is not needed but nobody wants to acknowledge what they lack is discipline and instead rely on the type of "cycle" they should run.
welcome to internet bbing,,drugs 1st,,training and eating/diet wherever it falls,,,weekend club muscles...drink gains away on weekends,,,but make sure shirtless in dark club to show off what will be gone by winter,,,
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this coming from american obese fatso who has daily re drug habbit, the irony is strong there.
its not just not needed, its really secondary if anything.in somecases its obsolete, as in,too much.
yes, i at firsthtought ok ppljust dont know exactly how to diet, but i realize they most likely dont even know how to train.
yet "study" about cycles,haha.
if someone diet is 90% ok, on some gear and training good enough, they will look brutal.
if not,they will look like shit.
they laugh about personal trainers(rightfully so),but theyre just as ignorant.
personal trainer's need to make $$$they will do whatever to keep u as client.if u suceed or look better than them kills there need or ur need for them.i been training guy with me as a friend for yrs ,,,says i saved him time,money,and gave him motivation he never had before training with me..
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galeniko, this guy wants you to grace him with your club moves
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galeniko, this guy wants you to grace him with your club moves
to dj's defense he is 100 pct bigger,leaner,conditioned over this,,him talking smack in this pic yeah he took a beating,but he has backed up his words to get better and he did,he's not trying to hang with you cswol size wise.
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LOL you call MY post "broscience"??? because I talk about my concerns after having followed your precious method, when you then proceed to post bunch of assumption rife "reasoning"... the irony ::)
rofl, dude honest advice: you need to relax. i'm one of the few people earnestly trying to follow your/gal's method, and if i voice my experiences you act like someone is trying to kidnap your children.
listen bro dont get all upset cause i said your post was full of broscience. why are you so defensive? do you see me getting defensive about what you just wrote? no. its your opinion. i might agree or disagree but i dont see anything wrong with it.
but when you talk broscience and try to relate it to this method im going to point it out. simple as that., get offended all day long if you want. it is what it is. cheers.
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welcome to internet bbing,,drugs 1st,,training and eating/diet wherever it falls,,,weekend club muscles...drink gains away on weekends,,,but make sure shirtless in dark club to show off what will be gone by winter,,,
great post.
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Think I have adrenal fatigue, so I'm not sure if the current diet is helping things (I take fish oils but think a healthier fat intake assists in recovery). I don't really drink coffee, I only used ECA for a week and felt fine coming off it, I've been on tren for the first time since March.
I have most symptoms listed here http://www.naturalnews.com/024985_cortisol_blood_fatigue.html
I'll try keep to the diet as much as possible but with the added recovery foods, going to get bloods to confirm but I'm 99% sure - reckon I should stay on 150-250mg test or come OFF everything?
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listen bro dont get all upset cause i said your post was full of broscience. why are you so defensive? do you see me getting defensive about what you just wrote? no. its your opinion. i might agree or disagree but i dont see anything wrong with it.
but when you talk broscience and try to relate it to this method im going to point it out. simple as that., get offended all day long if you want. it is what it is. cheers.
who coined the 'broscience'bbing,,, layne norton? ..
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Think I have adrenal fatigue, so I'm not sure if the current diet is helping things (I take fish oils but think a healthier fat intake assists in recovery). I don't really drink coffee, I only used ECA for a week and felt fine coming off it, I've been on tren for the first time since March.
I have most symptoms listed here http://www.naturalnews.com/024985_cortisol_blood_fatigue.html
I'll try keep to the diet as much as possible but with the added recovery foods, going to get bloods to confirm but I'm 99% sure - reckon I should stay on 150-250mg test or come OFF everything?
get the 'tests'not going by reading symptoms from artice,maybe as a guide to alert yourself,see doc,,
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if you dont train come off everythin cold turkey.
this sounds like 1 or 2 days off the gym will be enough though.
I still want to train so I'll try stay ON something, whats the lowest test you'd recommend? Ideally want to give my body a complete rest but I'm currently not training upper body much, doing rehab stuff cause I dislocated my shoulder not too long ago, having low/no test during this period would suck but I'll do it if need be.
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who coined the 'broscience'bbing,,, layne norton? ..
i'm not sure, but it's a dumb word which is actually synonymous with the term "sophistry", which has been around for thousands of years. sophistry means convincing, but flawed, reasoning. in ancient greece, sophists were basically smooth-talking teachers who would "educate" people for a fee, using very convincing arguments while arriving, nevertheless, at incorrect conclusions.
sophistry is far from unique to the greeks, though. it's practiced everywhere, especially in relatively unscientific circles -- like the bodybuilding community.
the anti- or unscientific method: start from your conclusion (or model), and mold your observations so that they fit your conclusion.
the scientific method: admit you're only guessing, go out and exhaustively record observations in a systematic way ("experiment"), and then adjust your guess to arrive at a conclusion (or model) that explains all of your observations.
science = look first, conclude second.
pseudoscience = conclude first, look second.
naturally, science is hard and takes a lot of work. sophistry, broscience, or whatever you want to call it, is much easier: all you have to do is believe something is true, and then start explaining everything in terms of your conclusion.
for example, someone comes up with a method, say, like galeniko and no ones. the scientific way of proceeding about things would then be to design an experiment and conduct countless trials with as many people as possible, then record and analyze the results, and finally see if they match the expected outcome. if they dont, the method needs to be adjusted.
the "broscience" way is: claim you've found the ultimate fat loss method, tell everyone to go try it, and then, when people report back, if the results aren't what you expected (i.e. resounding success) tell them they screwed up, they are wrong, or invent some other excuse which allows you to continue on believing in your method.
the first way -- the scientific one -- is practically unheard of in the fitness community. the second one is, as im sure you've all noticed, ubiquitous.
the word "broscience" shouldn't really be used as an insult much in the fitness community, as it has come to be, largely because there is little alternative. we're all restricted to using very, very crude, limited "science" with tiny, horribly flawed experiments IN THE BEST CASE. even professional scientists dont have the funding, interest, or capabilities, to come up with the kind of exhaustive program plans that are often peddled by "gurus" and trainers of all kinds -- how much worse off are we, who barely know anything outside of our own time in the gym?
when people forget this and go around preaching their dogma as gospel... things get ugly. just look at the sorry end of the gh15 saga... everyone thought the guy gave great advice, then he starts acting like an infallible "god of hormones" and the next thing you know he's completely alienated everyone.
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i'm not sure, but it's a dumb word which is actually synonymous with the term "sophistry", which has been around for thousands of years. sophistry means convincing, but flawed, reasoning. in ancient greece, sophists were basically smooth-talking teachers who would "educate" people for a fee, using very convincing arguments while arriving, nevertheless, at incorrect conclusions.
sophistry is far from unique to the greeks, though. it's practiced everywhere, especially in relatively unscientific circles -- like the bodybuilding community.
the anti- or unscientific method: start from your conclusion (or model), and mold your observations so that they fit your conclusion.
the scientific method: admit you're only guessing, go out and exhaustively record observations in a systematic way ("experiment"), and then adjust your guess to arrive at a conclusion (or model) that explains all of your observations.
science = look first, conclude second.
pseudoscience = conclude first, look second.
naturally, science is hard and takes a lot of work. sophistry, broscience, or whatever you want to call it, is much easier: all you have to do is believe something is true, and then start explaining everything in terms of your conclusion.
for example, someone comes up with a method, say, like galeniko and no ones. the scientific way of proceeding about things would then be to design an experiment and conduct countless trials with as many people as possible, then record and analyze the results, and finally see if they match the expected outcome. if they dont, the method needs to be adjusted.
the "broscience" way is: claim you've found the ultimate fat loss method, tell everyone to go try it, and then, when people report back, if the results aren't what you expected (i.e. resounding success) tell them they screwed up, they are wrong, or invent some other excuse which allows you to continue on believing in your method.
the first way -- the scientific one -- is practically unheard of in the fitness community. the second one is, as im sure you've all noticed, ubiquitous.
thanks for clearing up,,
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cesiphus, thats many logical fallcys there.
only suckers believed gh15.
only an idiot will believe someone who hasnt posted a pic.
haha, might want to review no one's posting history, in that case. but i don't mean to insult no one. a lot of people believed gh15, and not just suckers. the guy posted a LOT of stuff over the years, and a lot of it was dead on, in my opinion. i'm not sure why, actually, you have such a negative view of him.
besides that neither noone nor i did claim scientific proof or anything, we actualy said were the opposite of scientists, hell, science hasnt fugured out why muscle even grow and how, so we know our place.
i completely agree. actually, my example wasn't meant as an attack on your method or an accusation as such, but it wasn't entirely innocent either. i feel you guys, no one in particular, are steering beyond your limits with some of the recent posts.
there is no sciene(beyond couple testosterone studies) in bodybuilding.only knowledge.
just because the mags who brainwashed everyone have biggest exposure odesnt mean theyre right.
i metaphoricaly shit on layne nortern and all the others who cant back up their words.
i completely agree.
the only thing i disagree with in your whole post (besides the gh15 stuff), is that mine was full of fallacies :D
btw do have your vitamin suplementation, vit c ,multivitamins, etc the whole phlethora, magnesium, the tabs are good enough for me, and yes i have no doubts theyre absolutely needed.
if i dont have them i simply get sick and thats it.
but thsi should go without mentioning.
nope, i'll look into this.
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i just have the biggest meal before going to sleep, this way i get hungry sometime in the night, but sleep through.
so much for the dont eat before bedtime broscience.
the good thing, with this shredded look i mustnt explain what is wrong and why, what i do and did is simply obviously the right way.
yes dont ovethink stuff, keep everything simple.
dont think about gyno and hairloss and all,if you do, better to seek other hobby.
What to you eat before bed? I will wake up and eat in the middle of the night if I don't eat before bed. I eat 7-10 whole eggs or oatmeal depending on my mood and intake that day, it works for me. I'm curious of your take
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My problem is the bad habit of the late night eating itself which is what I need to work on. Started back when trying to "bulk" as a natural (lol) and made it a point to eat every time I'd wake up to piss. It's not so much a concern when maintaining and I've found ways to work around it but when dieting I'm not likely to make the best dietary choices being that I'm half asleep.
Only time I was able to sleep the whole night without waking up in years was when using valium. Not willing to go down that path again though cause I know many guys in bbing fall into some nasty addictions in efforts to kill pain, lethargy, hunger...etc. Guys become walking pharmacies to combat side effects. You take drugs to grow, than something bloat, why not take something for hunger which in turn gives you insomnia, than you take a benzo/sleeping pill to fall asleep etc etc.
^
meltdown.
Have you ever looked into Trazodone as a sleep aid? Without a very small dose of Trazodone, I constantly wake up during the night. 75 mg and I am down for the night with no grogginess the next morning, just the good feeling of being refreshed by a great night's sleep. Trazodone is also prescribed for depression as well as a sleep aid. I think the dosage for depression is much higher. The only side is that some people will experience a day or so of flu like symptoms if the stop taking it cold turkey. I am one of those folks.
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As mentioned before clean for 5 months now due to hospital visit where I lost around 50 to 60 pounds of muscle and fat. Been doing the GAL and TA diet, once again all natural, fucked up rotator cuff, so pretty much pull ups and pushups with a few varations. 1500 cals a day and 1 day 24 fast. Exactly 30 days from first pic to second.... nothing to brag home about still have a long way to go and flame about pic in reflections but hate on, its get big :) But these men do speak the truth fuck the "bodybuilding propganda"
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^Drastic change to the better in 30days, props^
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And before... shrunk a lot but shit happens and licking my chops thinking about eating clen and trening hard again....
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My problem is the bad habit of the late night eating itself which is what I need to work on. Started back when trying to "bulk" as a natural (lol) and made it a point to eat every time I'd wake up to piss. It's not so much a concern when maintaining and I've found ways to work around it but when dieting I'm not likely to make the best dietary choices being that I'm half asleep.
Only time I was able to sleep the whole night without waking up in years was when using valium. Not willing to go down that path again though cause I know many guys in bbing fall into some nasty addictions in efforts to kill pain, lethargy, hunger...etc. Guys become walking pharmacies to combat side effects. You take drugs to grow, than something bloat, why not take something for hunger which in turn gives you insomnia, than you take a benzo/sleeping pill to fall asleep etc etc.
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meltdown.
just keep a pic of your fav physique artist plastered to your wall, that'll keep you motivated to stay on course
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to dj's defense he is 100 pct bigger,leaner,conditioned over this,,him talking smack in this pic yeah he took a beating,but he has backed up his words to get better and he did,he's not trying to hang with you cswol size wise.
thanks nj
and now that i'm doing BARBELL BENCHES, BARBELL CURLS AND BARBELL SQUATS
my physique is on the way to another level ;)
and the funny thing is, after i work on the bench a few more months i'll be able to outbench fattycakes cdull while weighing 100 pounds less than him HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
and i'm talking an IPF rules style bench which means super strict and LEGIT
i predict that if cdull entered an IPF meet and had to have a passed bench he could maybe do 250 or so
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I have been following this thread and have experimented wuth the principles and it is working fairly well.
I reckon i am sub 6% right now and i am trying really hard to losebthebremaining fat on my glutes.
Definitely will be buying the book, can u share a little on how to get to 4%. I am on minimum drugs btw.
Not a mass monster but i am trying to push my conditioning to another level.
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for example, someone comes up with a method, say, like galeniko and no ones. the scientific way of proceeding about things would then be to design an experiment and conduct countless trials with as many people as possible, then record and analyze the results, and finally see if they match the expected outcome. if they dont, the method needs to be adjusted.
the "broscience" way is: claim you've found the ultimate fat loss method, tell everyone to go try it, and then, when people report back, if the results aren't what you expected (i.e. resounding success) tell them they screwed up, they are wrong, or invent some other excuse which allows you to continue on believing in your method.
when people forget this and go around preaching their dogma as gospel... things get ugly. just look at the sorry end of the gh15 saga... everyone thought the guy gave great advice, then he starts acting like an infallible "god of hormones" and the next thing you know he's completely alienated everyone.
listen kid. if you have something to say to me say it, instead of beating around the bush like a fucking pansy. i dont deal well with passive/ aggressive as your about to find out. throw bipolar in there too for good measure im thinking. anyway, if you have something to say just say it. its easy- watch and learn:
to your first point. you got hurt feelings cause i called you a retard for thinking that your losing muscle on 1500 cals a day, and pointed out that mayyyyyybe, just maybe you didnt really have all that much muscle to begin with. you see, sunshine, people hold fat in different ways. some hold it where its highly visible. others hold it so that it marbles and gives the appearance of muscle when it is in fact not. thats why when they start losing fat they think they are losing 'muscle'. thats why a lot of permabulkers stay premabulkers. they cannot the simple truth that the reason they deflate so rapidly on any kind of calorie restrictive diet is because the 'muscle' they are carrying is actually fat. and you dont have to be 15-20%bf to have this happen. it can happen at even 8-10%. it doesnt happen much past then cause by the time your 7% you have a pretty good idea what you really look like under all that.
have you stopped to consider that you are too mentally weak to do this diet? or any diet for that matter? you think dieting is easy? if it was everyone would look like gal. but it isnt . its hard work. 'oh nooo i have headaches wah wah wah' lol fucking please. ever stop to think why you've never been in shape in your life is because a) the 'diets' you follow suck, and b) you lack the discipline to stay on them long enough to see any real results?
to your second point. you want to see 'resoundingly' successful results in one week. you lose 10 pounds in 10 days or whatever it is but you think its not enough cause you didnt magically wake up with an 8 pack the day after going on the diet, and holy shit you weight 5 pounds more! your a fucking retard.
to your third point that you dont have the balls to say right out. you think i give a FUCK what you or anyone else on this board thinks of me? think i do this for praise and acclaim? kind gives an insight into the way your mind works when you project stupidity like this onto others. i do this to help people who want help. end of story. not too hold the hand of a little girl like you whos going to get all butthurt when i tell him the straight goods. you come here, tell me bullshit in support of your 'claims' (hahah im loooosing muscle on 1500ca) and get a prolapsed colon when i rebuttal it with the truth. you had a lot of balls implying in your post before this one directed at me (thats what you do-imply- cause you dont have the balls to speak your mind) your doing me a favour by following this diet. here let me help you out with another tip- feel free to take this diet and shove it directly up your ass. see arent i a nice guy- look at all the time i saved you at failing at it.
and a good day to you, sir.
(holy this is some of my best work to date right here :D)
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cesiphus, thats many logical fallcys there.
only suckers believed gh15.
only an idiot will believe someone who hasnt posted a pic.
he could have sold his drugs through a "frend he knows", directing ppl there.
It may be OK for someone like you to post his druggy "water" physique pics, but some of us have jobs and "corporate" reps to maintain.
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haha, might want to review no one's posting history, in that case. but i don't mean to insult no one.
holy fuck your really passive agressive eh? you get this from an overbearing mom? ^ for example. dont think your so much smarter than everyone else that you can get away with it because your not. not by a long shot.
but keep trying anyway. im having fun pointing it out. hey, does this mean since your so smart, that im smarter than you? trust me i dont take much comfort in that fact, not to be insulting.
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As mentioned before clean for 5 months now due to hospital visit where I lost around 50 to 60 pounds of muscle and fat. Been doing the GAL and TA diet, once again all natural, fucked up rotator cuff, so pretty much pull ups and pushups with a few varations. 1500 cals a day and 1 day 24 fast. Exactly 30 days from first pic to second.... nothing to brag home about still have a long way to go and flame about pic in reflections but hate on, its get big :) But these men do speak the truth fuck the "bodybuilding propganda"
much props dude. thats a very impressive transformation in 30 days regardless of what you are doing. cheers to that. keep pushing. it gets better.
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And before... shrunk a lot but shit happens and licking my chops thinking about eating clen and trening hard again....
you dont need the tren or the clen right now bro. keep doing what you are doing. get down to 6% then pm me or gal then we'll grow you as you drop down.
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I have been following this thread and have experimented wuth the principles and it is working fairly well.
I reckon i am sub 6% right now and i am trying really hard to losebthebremaining fat on my glutes.
Definitely will be buying the book, can u share a little on how to get to 4%. I am on minimum drugs btw.
Not a mass monster but i am trying to push my conditioning to another level.
i'll let gal field this since hes right there now. i dont know how much he'll say on here, but your going to have to make adaptations to the system. and to be truthful drugs dont have a lot to do with it. but we discovered, quite by accident actually, one that keeps you pretty full at 5 and lower and you dont need a lot of it, and its one that i doubt anyone including the 'gurus' would have thought of. totally took me by surprise. and again, mostly cause well, it 'shouldnt' work or be used in this manner. lol just like everything we do. :D
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cesiphus, thats many logical fallcys there.
only suckers believed gh15.
only an idiot will believe someone who hasnt posted a pic.
he could have sold his drugs through a "frend he knows", directing ppl there.
besides that neither noone nor i did claim scientific proof or anything, we actualy said were the opposite of scientists, hell, science hasnt fugured out why muscle even grow and how, so we know our place.
but we do have results to show, the results speak for themselves.
the speed of results and the conditioning are extremly rare sights.
man, do you believe me that i speak to pros on almost daily basis?
do you know who the guy is who thought me all this?
do you realize they themselves come to me and ask me how this was done?
they agree on every single detail that is discussed.
this is people who train and eat right since 20 years, not some internet jokers.
there is no sciene(beyond couple testosterone studies) in bodybuilding.only knowledge.
just because the mags who brainwashed everyone have biggest exposure odesnt mean theyre right.
i metaphoricaly shit on layne nortern and all the others who cant back up their words.
BOOOOOOOOOOOM
Great poster is great poster
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Have you ever looked into Trazodone as a sleep aid? Without a very small dose of Trazodone, I constantly wake up during the night. 75 mg and I am down for the night with no grogginess the next morning, just the good feeling of being refreshed by a great night's sleep. Trazodone is also prescribed for depression as well as a sleep aid. I think the dosage for depression is much higher. The only side is that some people will experience a day or so of flu like symptoms if the stop taking it cold turkey. I am one of those folks.
I'm gonna look into this one thanks.
just keep a pic of your fav physique artist plastered to your wall, that'll keep you motivated to stay on course
I have a pic of you on my fridge for motivation to diet but instead it only makes me wanna eat more. :D
Nah I actually have an old fat pic of me as a kid blowing out some candles on a birthday cake. ;D
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Thanks for kind words. As Gal mentioned, your muscles will not wither away.... stop being lazy :) it does suck but how bad do you want it? whats more satisfaction eating those extra cookies after dinner or having panties drop everywhere you go???
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Thanks for kind words. As Gal mentioned, your muscles will not wither away.... stop being lazy :) it does suck but how bad do you want it? whats more satisfaction eating those extra cookies after dinner or having panties drop everywhere you go???
Right now I'm thinking the cookies...
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I have a pic of you on my fridge for motivation to diet but instead it only makes me wanna eat more. :D
pecs, delts and arms baby!
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pecs, delts and arms baby!
yes, those are body parts.
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listen kid. if you have something to say to me say it, instead of beating around the bush like a fucking pansy. i dont deal well with passive/ aggressive as your about to find out. throw bipolar in there too for good measure im thinking. anyway, if you have something to say just say it. its easy- watch and learn:
to your first point. you got hurt feelings cause i called you a retard for thinking that your losing muscle on 1500 cals a day, and pointed out that mayyyyyybe, just maybe you didnt really have all that much muscle to begin with. you see, sunshine, people hold fat in different ways. some hold it where its highly visible. others hold it so that it marbles and gives the appearance of muscle when it is in fact not. thats why when they start losing fat they think they are losing 'muscle'. thats why a lot of permabulkers stay premabulkers. they cannot the simple truth that the reason they deflate so rapidly on any kind of calorie restrictive diet is because the 'muscle' they are carrying is actually fat. and you dont have to be 15-20%bf to have this happen. it can happen at even 8-10%. it doesnt happen much past then cause by the time your 7% you have a pretty good idea what you really look like under all that.
have you stopped to consider that you are too mentally weak to do this diet? or any diet for that matter? you think dieting is easy? if it was everyone would look like gal. but it isnt . its hard work. 'oh nooo i have headaches wah wah wah' lol fucking please. ever stop to think why you've never been in shape in your life is because a) the 'diets' you follow suck, and b) you lack the discipline to stay on them long enough to see any real results?
to your second point. you want to see 'resoundingly' successful results in one week. you lose 10 pounds in 10 days or whatever it is but you think its not enough cause you didnt magically wake up with an 8 pack the day after going on the diet, and holy shit you weight 5 pounds more! your a fucking retard.
to your third point that you dont have the balls to say right out. you think i give a FUCK what you or anyone else on this board thinks of me? think i do this for praise and acclaim? kind gives an insight into the way your mind works when you project stupidity like this onto others. i do this to help people who want help. end of story. not too hold the hand of a little girl like you whos going to get all butthurt when i tell him the straight goods. you come here, tell me bullshit in support of your 'claims' (hahah im loooosing muscle on 1500ca) and get a prolapsed colon when i rebuttal it with the truth. you had a lot of balls implying in your post before this one directed at me (thats what you do-imply- cause you dont have the balls to speak your mind) your doing me a favour by following this diet. here let me help you out with another tip- feel free to take this diet and shove it directly up your ass. see arent i a nice guy- look at all the time i saved you at failing at it.
and a good day to you, sir.
(holy this is some of my best work to date right here :D)
I like it!
Except grammatically you are (you're) RETARDED! ;D
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As mentioned before clean for 5 months now due to hospital visit where I lost around 50 to 60 pounds of muscle and fat. Been doing the GAL and TA diet, once again all natural, fucked up rotator cuff, so pretty much pull ups and pushups with a few varations. 1500 cals a day and 1 day 24 fast. Exactly 30 days from first pic to second.... nothing to brag home about still have a long way to go and flame about pic in reflections but hate on, its get big :) But these men do speak the truth fuck the "bodybuilding propganda"
Health issues which take one out of the game are difficult and sometimes also a real eye opener. Looking fit in both your photos. Despite the distortion in the reflection photo, you clearly are a guy who works out. Stay healthy!
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As mentioned before clean for 5 months now due to hospital visit where I lost around 50 to 60 pounds of muscle and fat. Been doing the GAL and TA diet, once again all natural, fucked up rotator cuff, so pretty much pull ups and pushups with a few varations. 1500 cals a day and 1 day 24 fast. Exactly 30 days from first pic to second.... nothing to brag home about still have a long way to go and flame about pic in reflections but hate on, its get big :) But these men do speak the truth fuck the "bodybuilding propganda"
Great results.
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Also I have been fat without lifting, looked like an AIDS patient skinny, been a giant mess of blubber with muscle aka Permabulker, a fat bloated mess on fear, a lean bloated mess on gear, lean/mean with size on gear, and now natural again.
For whoever cares but just to prove GAL's and TA'S methods I will post up some pics if anyone is interested. I was on a 2 streak of being on non stop and sitting around 240-250 bloated with water but visible abs maybe 13%. I planned on gaining 10 or so more pounds before I started my summer diet, next thing I know..... I wake up in a hospital bed hooked to all kinds of machines, tubes going out my mouth and nose, could not talk, had no clue wtf happened, my memory was gone and they had me strapped down so I could move my arms. That was in late March remained in the hospital until mid April. So my "summer plan" went to shit. I lost over 50 pounds. It was a wake up call, I had a 10% chance of living which I didn't know. After I was released I was not allowed nor could I even barely walk. So I ate an abundance of calories trying to save whatever muscle I had left and ended up looking like a mess. It sucks to see your body wither away so quick but shit happens. On May 11, I got the okay to start working out. I got the urge at home to try some pushups, barely got 1, pullup no way, lunges or bodyweight squat was too much. So from going full blast on tren, test, winny at hefty doses to absolute nothing, no PCT, and losing all this weight and strength from my hospital adventure. I am scared to get back on especially after such an event, and realized I looked like absolute shit, the only time I looked worse was before I started lifting. So my main goal was and now is to achieve an ultimate leans and maintain year round. I have only been on my diet and half ass "home workout" now for a little over 30 days, no point in going to the gym, all I can do is push ups and pullups with different varations and some squats with weight in a backpack or lunges. My shoulder is toast for some reason, noticed it when I woke up in the hospital and think its a rotator cuff prob so cannot really do shoulders right now and hurts even when doing certain types of pushups.
Long story short, I have been scared to lose my "precious" muscle with fasting, figured WHAT HAVE I GOT TO LOSE? so I have been eating 1500 calories daily, fasting 24 hours once a week if I cheat any, and eating only 3 to 4 meals a day otherwise. I am natural at this point and have been for 4 months, but have shredded fat like never before just using TA's strategy and actually call me a liar on this restricted calorie diet maintained my weight. I don't believe in the scale only mirror but I weight within 3 pounds of when I started this natural getting ripped journey. I have lost bodyfat of course but just a simple few brief exercises has kept and built muscle more than I even thought it would.
Step out of your comfort zone, eating 6-8 meals a day, 400,000 grams of protein a day, if you don't eat every 3 hours your body will eat all its muscle, and if you don't eat breakfast you whither away-it's the most important meal of the day I have read so many places....It means BREAK your FASTING.....bullshit. Eating a juicy big breakfast will make you tired again or skip breakfast and take fat burners for mental focus and insane energy then eat your lunch.
I've been bitching and moaning because I had a prostate cancer and a prostatectomy last summer. Now I apparently have a torn meniscus in my right knee. These little setbacks are nothing compared to whatever hospitalized you.
Hang in there, you'll get your strength back and be back at the gym doing what you like in no time. You are wise to reflect on what's worthwhile and what isn't. Be healthy first and being fit will follow. Sometimes, it takes stepping away from something to really understand how brainwashed some of us become. When all you have to compare to is other meatheads on roids, you can't make a wise assessment. The abnormal begins looking normal. Look at people out in public, not just guys who devote their entire lives to lifting and who are often willing to sacrifice their health in the process of becoming someone who looks more like a cartoon superhero than a real person.
Bummer about your wife taking a hike on you. She must be a really self-centered person.
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AMEN!!!
Thanks Prime. I hope your situation is well or getting better also. Dead on what you said..... Often we get so focused on something or just simply doing the motions over and over again we forget about other things in life or the big picture. I never thought I was going to compete, be a pro, thought I was the biggest dude around, but yeah you do get in the mindset of eat, workout, a little of this and that then sleep. Then there is reality... Of course we all know EVERY GETTBIGGER is huge, shredded, pulls a ton of ass, and makes money thousands of dollars a day while posting here ;D
But seriously, I am not wise mine here to preach nor have I made big money yet. Whatever you define "RICH" as and I'm not talking about Piana, whether it be having boatloads of money fucking foreign broads or having a simple life doing some career that your passionate about.... You can have a body you want and succeed in other parts of your life which I think we often as "bodybuilders" or guys who focus on our body so much forget. It's makes me wonder why some amateur level bodybuilder would spend so many thousands of dollars on gear every year plus live the lifestyle which is a task for what? To step on a stage in a thong full of a bunch of schmoes and his family to flex for a chance at a trophy or couple hundred dollar prize? Not my cup of tea, but to each his own... if that's your main goal in life fuck everyone and keep doing it lol
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I've been bitching and moaning because I had a prostate cancer and a prostatectomy last summer. Now I apparently have a torn meniscus in my right knee. These little setbacks are nothing compared to whatever hospitalized you.
Hang in there, you'll get your strength back and be back at the gym doing what you like in no time. You are wise to reflect on what's worthwhile and what isn't. Be healthy first and being fit will follow. Sometimes, it takes stepping away from something to really understand how brainwashed some of us become. When all you have to compare to is other meatheads on roids, you can't make a wise assessment. The abnormal begins looking normal. Look at people out in public, not just guys who devote their entire lives to lifting and who are often willing to sacrifice their health in the process of becoming someone who looks more like a cartoon superhero than a real person.
Bummer about your wife taking a hike on you. She must be a really self-centered person.
Hey Prime, if you don't mind me asking:
Did you have prostatitis before you got diagnosed with cancer?
After the prostatectomy, did you get ED? Did viagra help, or did the docs mess up the nerves when they pulled out the prostate?
It runs in my family, and I'm getting ready for the inevitable and trying to talk to guys who've gone thru what you've gone thru. It's a very strong likelihood for me.
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cocaine is a hell of a drug
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is overrated, even as fatburner,is overrated.
zyzz would disagree
cocaine + steroids = no appetite, no muscle loss = ripped to shreds
= 1000 word posts when mind racing
you hear me
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cocaine is a hell of a drug
Ephedrine, although not the same, it's my personal cocaine.
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yeah but the guy is deaded ;D
its also rather expensive.
thats true
but a large percentage of guys with that ripped look are on shit loads of coke
we both know this
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yah works short term, but i stoppe that stuff over 3 years ago.forever.
i know you did
im just putting some facts out there
debunking the myths
lots of people that claim to have will power
have simply swapped food for drugs
not a long term strategy that works
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Hey Prime, if you don't mind me asking:
Did you have prostatitis before you got diagnosed with cancer?
After the prostatectomy, did you get ED? Did viagra help, or did the docs mess up the nerves when they pulled out the prostate?
It runs in my family, and I'm getting ready for the inevitable and trying to talk to guys who've gone thru what you've gone thru. It's a very strong likelihood for me.
I've had issues with prostatitis for as long a I can remember. I was prescribed and took Finesteride and previously Proscar for decades to treat it and the inevitable enlarged prostate. When my prostate was removed the doctor said it was the size of a racket ball....which is much bigger then a walnut as it is supposed to be.
I had 4 biopsies over the course to several years because my PSA was unstable and sometimes high. More recently, my doctor prescribed testosterone cypionate at my request to treat low test levels. It was because of this that we were watching my PSA numbers very closely. Had it not been for the fact that I was injecting testosterone, the cancer could have gone undetected for much longer. As it is, I was lucky in that it was discovered very early on; stage 1 or 2 and well confined within the prostate.
Prostate issues are common among men of a certain age. I am of that age at 68 years. I have no idea if it ran in my family as I had no communication with my father after the age of 8. My father died of stomach cancer when he was 61 years of age.
I have had issues with ED for many years. It sure hasn't gotten any better since my prostate was removed. The surgery I elected was nerve sparing and the doctor is very experienced with the Da Vinci robotic prostatectomy. Viagra and other oral meds seem not to work for me. I am using Tri-mix which is an injectable medication. It works every time. It can be expensive though and insurance does not pay for it. The other problem some guys have is incontinence. Fortunately, this has not been an issue for me. I cannot imagine working out while wearing Depends. ;D
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I've had issues with prostatitis for as long a I can remember. I was prescribed and took Finesteride and previously Proscar for decades to treat it and the inevitable enlarged prostate. When my prostate was removed the doctor said it was the size of a racket ball....which is much bigger then a walnut as it is supposed to be.
I had 4 biopsies over the course to several years because my PSA was unstable and sometimes high. More recently, my doctor prescribed testosterone cypionate at my request to treat low test levels. It was because of this that we were watching my PSA numbers very closely. Had it not been for the fact that I was injecting testosterone, the cancer could have gone undetected for much longer. As it is, I was lucky in that it was discovered very early on; stage 1 or 2 and well confined within the prostate.
Prostate issues are common among men of a certain age. I am of that age at 68 years. I have no idea if it ran in my family as I had no communication with my father after the age of 8. My father died of stomach cancer when he was 61 years of age.
I have had issues with ED for many years. It sure hasn't gotten any better since my prostate was removed. The surgery I elected was nerve sparing and the doctor is very experienced with the Da Vinci robotic prostatectomy. Viagra and other oral meds seem not to work for me. I am using Tri-mix which is an injectable medication. It works every time. It can be expensive though and insurance does not pay for it. The other problem some guys have is incontinence. Fortunately, this has not been an issue for me. I cannot imagine working out while wearing Depends. ;D
Very informative. Still a meltdown.
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i know you did
im just putting some facts out there
debunking the myths
lots of people that claim to have will power
have simply swapped food for drugs
not a long term strategy that works
Then there's tbomz.swapped coke for steroids then swapped steroids for cock :-X
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AMEN!!!
Thanks Prime. I hope your situation is well or getting better also. Dead on what you said..... Often we get so focused on something or just simply doing the motions over and over again we forget about other things in life or the big picture. I never thought I was going to compete, be a pro, thought I was the biggest dude around, but yeah you do get in the mindset of eat, workout, a little of this and that then sleep. Then there is reality... Of course we all know EVERY GETTBIGGER is huge, shredded, pulls a ton of ass, and makes money thousands of dollars a day while posting here ;D
But seriously, I am not wise mine here to preach nor have I made big money yet. Whatever you define "RICH" as and I'm not talking about Piana, whether it be having boatloads of money fucking foreign broads or having a simple life doing some career that your passionate about.... You can have a body you want and succeed in other parts of your life which I think we often as "bodybuilders" or guys who focus on our body so much forget. It's makes me wonder why some amateur level bodybuilder would spend so many thousands of dollars on gear every year plus live the lifestyle which is a task for what? To step on a stage in a thong full of a bunch of schmoes and his family to flex for a chance at a trophy or couple hundred dollar prize? Not my cup of tea, but to each his own... if that's your main goal in life fuck everyone and keep doing it lol
I am a really healthy person overall. I am in good (not excellent) shape for a man of any age and especially a guy my age. I started out as a skinny twink when I was 16 years old. That's what motivated me to want to build muscle and gain size. I had a great mentor who got me started on the right road. There was a time back then when my only goal was to be big. I maxed out at 225 when I was 29 years old. I also felt like shit most of the time, at least physically. Although I was just a shade under six feet tall, genetically I am probably an ectomorph who was trying to be and endomorph and probably looked more like a mesomorph. LOL. I admit there is a good degree of narcissism that played into the choice to devote a lot of time and energy to bodybuilding. I suspect this is true for a lot of people who body build. Today I weigh 208, give or take a pound or two from day to day. I am not ripped. This could be due to the fact that I have no patience for cardio. I eat fairly clean without being obsessive about it. I workout 6 days a week and my routine runs about an hour. I work mainly one body part or muscle group each day. This allows me a 7 day recovery period which seems right for someone my age. I still have goals which are hopefully not unrealistic. Right now I am trying to get back into decent shape after taking the better part of 18 months off while I licked my wounds, so to speak.
Some people are obsessed with being rich. I had a really materialistically comfortable life as a kid. Being super rich has never been at the forefront of my life goals. What I lacked as a child was a stable family life. I have made (successfully) every effort to have a good family life as an adult. It was my good fortune to hook up with my wife whose goals coincided with mine. We have been happily married for nearly 50 years and my wife and I have a beautiful and wonderful family.
Variety is the spice of life, I believe. It is healthy to have a lot of different interests. Even as a retired person, I remain actively involved in several areas of interest. The hour or so a day I devote solely to staying healthy an fit by lifting at the gym is reasonable. It is definitely not my who life. I remember in past times working out for a couple of hours a day, worrying about everything I ate and obsessing about getting bigger. It was like being on a roll-a-coaster ride, because I would eventually burn out and have to step back to regroup and get my life back on track.
I have been fortunate in that I only took doctor prescribed dosages of steroids back when they were legal to prescribe. The D-bol and test shots I had as a young made help me add some muscle when there was almost none, or so it seemed to me. Today, because of age mainly, my doctor prescribed testosterone cypionate to get my test levels up. Almost 9 months following the prostatectomy, my test levels had dropped to a smidge over 200. Injecting only 200 mg every other week for three months has doubled this number. When I saw the doctor last week, he agreed to let my raise the dosage to 300 mg every two weeks. Compared to a lot of crazy folks who buy illegal stuff and make up their own dosage, what I am taking must seem wimpy. The difference is I am taking it to be healthier not to become a roided out monster as if that were even a possibility.
Following you health crisis you are obviously more concerned about being healthy then about getting huge. Hang onto this, because it is the right way to go. You'll not only be healthier in the long run, you'll most likely be happier. Anyway, being cut seems to becoming much more popular that being huge these days. I've notice more than a few guys at the gym where I work out have appeared to slim down while maintaining the muscles they've worked for. One young guy I know has dropped about 25 lbs. He looks much better and his skin has improved....no more roid related acne on his shoulders and back.
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I am a really healthy person overall. I am in good (not excellent) shape for a man of any age and especially a guy my age. I started out as a skinny twink when I was 16 years old. That's what motivated me to want to build muscle and gain size. I had a great mentor who got me started on the right road. There was a time back then when my only goal was to be big. I maxed out at 225 when I was 29 years old. I also felt like shit most of the time, at least physically. Although I was just a shade under six feet tall, genetically I am probably an ectomorph who was trying to be and endomorph and probably looked more like a mesomorph. LOL. I admit there is a good degree of narcissism that played into the choice to devote a lot of time and energy to bodybuilding. I suspect this is true for a lot of people who body build. Today I weigh 208, give or take a pound or two from day to day. I am not ripped. This could be due to the fact that I have no patience for cardio. I eat fairly clean without being obsessive about it. I workout 6 days a week and my routine runs about an hour. I work mainly one body part or muscle group each day. This allows me a 7 day recovery period which seems right for someone my age. I still have goals which are hopefully not unrealistic. Right now I am trying to get back into decent shape after taking the better part of 18 months off while I licked my wounds, so to speak.
Some people are obsessed with being rich. I had a really materialistically comfortable life as a kid. Being super rich has never been at the forefront of my life goals. What I lacked as a child was a stable family life. I have made (successfully) every effort to have a good family life as an adult. It was my good fortune to hook up with my wife whose goals coincided with mine. We have been happily married for nearly 50 years and my wife and I have a beautiful and wonderful family.
Variety is the spice of life, I believe. It is healthy to have a lot of different interests. Even as a retired person, I remain actively involved in several areas of interest. The hour or so a day I devote solely to staying healthy an fit by lifting at the gym is reasonable. It is definitely not my who life. I remember in past times working out for a couple of hours a day, worrying about everything I ate and obsessing about getting bigger. It was like being on a roll-a-coaster ride, because I would eventually burn out and have to step back to regroup and get my life back on track.
I have been fortunate in that I only took doctor prescribed dosages of steroids back when they were legal to prescribe. The D-bol and test shots I had as a young made help me add some muscle when there was almost none, or so it seemed to me. Today, because of age mainly, my doctor prescribed testosterone cypionate to get my test levels up. Almost 9 months following the prostatectomy, my test levels had dropped to a smidge over 200. Injecting only 200 mg every other week for three months has doubled this number. When I saw the doctor last week, he agreed to let my raise the dosage to 300 mg every two weeks. Compared to a lot of crazy folks who buy illegal stuff and make up their own dosage, what I am taking must seem wimpy. The difference is I am taking it to be healthier not to become a roided out monster as if that were even a possibility.
Following you health crisis you are obviously more concerned about being healthy then about getting huge. Hang onto this, because it is the right way to go. You'll not only be healthier in the long run, you'll most likely be happier. Anyway, being cut seems to becoming much more popular that being huge these days. I've notice more than a few guys at the gym where I work out have appeared to slim down while maintaining the muscles they've worked for. One young guy I know has dropped about 25 lbs. He looks much better and his skin has improved....no more roid related acne on his shoulders and back.
JAY UR DOING FINE..STAY IN IT,,BETTER THAN NOT DOING ANYTHING AT ALL,AND YOU STILL PUSH SOME WEIGHTS HARD,,
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Very informative. Still a meltdown.
-Don't know how old you are, but when I was in my 20's none of this would not have seemed at all relevant to me. I think you have to be there for it to mean anything. However, if what I wrote informs anyone that everyone is vulnerable and it is wise to start having you PSA checked at some point in your life, even if only to establish a baseline. Furthermore, if you use gear, all the more reason to keep a handle on your good health.
I thought I did all my "melting down" right after I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and leading up to the decision to have my prostate removed. Maybe there is a little residual melting down going on with me. Clearly, any hope or delusions I had about being a "stud" went out the window this past year. Even for an old guy like me who is usually very rational and not too big on emotions, this has been a hard transition.
Feel free to call me on it, if I seem to be getting a little nostalgic or morose about this (as in melting down). ;D
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-Don't know how old you are, but when I was in my 20's none of this would not have seemed at all relevant to me. I think you have to be there for it to mean anything. However, if what I wrote informs anyone that everyone is vulnerable and it is wise to start having you PSA checked at some point in your life, even if only to establish a baseline. Furthermore, if you use gear, all the more reason to keep a handle on your good health.
I thought I did all my "melting down" right after I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and leading up to the decision to have my prostate removed. Maybe there is a little residual melting down going on with me. Clearly, any hope or delusions I had about being a "stud" went out the window this past year. Even for an old guy like me who is usually very rational and not too big on emotions, this has been a hard transition.
Feel free to call me on it, if I seem to be getting a little nostalgic or morose about this (as in melting down). ;D
I have to give you my signature:
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I have to give you my signature:
Cool. ;D
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cocaine is a hell of a drug
I competed in a show weighing 14'10 and then decided to do a light heavy show two weeks later.
I mentioned it backstage to one of my fellow competitors and he said, "How are you going to lose the weight, do coke for two weeks?"
I just said "no, I'm going to diet" ::)
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to your first point. you got hurt feelings cause i called you a retard for thinking that your losing muscle on 1500 cals a day, and pointed out that mayyyyyybe, just maybe you didnt really have all that much muscle to begin with.
And you were talking about projection? ::) All I said was I don't think I look as good now at my current weight as I did the last time I was at my current weight, which gave me some doubts. Either you're too lazy to read, or you're just ignoring this so you can give a rant.
have you stopped to consider that you are too mentally weak to do this diet? or any diet for that matter? you think dieting is easy? if it was everyone would look like gal. but it isnt . its hard work. 'oh nooo i have headaches wah wah wah' lol fucking please. ever stop to think why you've never been in shape in your life is because a) the 'diets' you follow suck, and b) you lack the discipline to stay on them long enough to see any real results?
Wow! "never been in shape in my life", "lack willpower". ::) You couldn't be further off the mark with this statement if you were completely blindfolded. About my "lack of willpower" -- I did "starvation diets" similar to what's outlined in this thread growing up, as a teenager, of my own free will, without anyone telling me a thing. I've practically worked myself out into an early grave, as well... I've never seen a single person in the gym with demonstrably "more willpower" than myself. And lastly, I've never been out of shape in my life, unless you count the several years I purposely tried to "bulk".
to your second point. you want to see 'resoundingly' successful results in one week. you lose 10 pounds in 10 days or whatever it is but you think its not enough cause you didnt magically wake up with an 8 pack the day after going on the diet, and holy shit you weight 5 pounds more! your a fucking retard.
Bunch of nonsense you hallucinated. Where did I say any of this? p.s. it's "you're".
you come here, tell me bullshit in support of your 'claims' (hahah im loooosing muscle on 1500ca)
Again, hallucinations. I mentioned it was a concern, where did I talk about any "bullshit support"? You mean that I "don't think I look as good as I did last time I was at this weight"? Because that's ALL i said "in support" of my concern... and I'd love to hear how that is "bullshit".
and get a prolapsed colon when i rebuttal it with the truth.
LOL "the truth" in your mind is a bunch of rambling "reasoning" about why your diet works, mixed in with a bunch of off-base assumptions. Maybe if you actually had read my post on pseudoscience, which was quite informative and well-written, instead of skimming it and and just vomiting all that bile you've got stewing within, you might have learned something.
I've tried being polite with you, but I guess it's not getting through. My point, reiterated: you're coming off like a raving lunatic. I'm not even criticizing your "method", and yet you fly off the handle with baseless assumptions and totally misplaced rants about "broscience".
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cesiphuss, theres no need to philosoph around it.
not sure what you mean?
anyway, as i've said a number of times now, i'm sticking to it for now. i was just mentioning some things i noticed from my experiences. namely, that i wasn't really all that hungry, instead i got other bad symptoms before hunger came around which compelled me to eat.
experiences will vary. to put it simply, if i ate 3 times a day (as you have said you do) for a total 200g protein and 50g fat, there is no way, based on my experiences, i would ever even come close to having bad hunger pangs.
this is not a criticism. it's not some sort of challenge. it's just information. observations like these show that some adjustment to the guidelines is needed to maintain consistency, in my case, perhaps in others' too. if anything, i think you would find this information useful...
ps ETA = estimated time of arrival
also, for no one's sake, i should add that i actually felt i looked quite good in the gym yesterday, which restored my hopes a bit.
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cesiphuss, theres no need to philosoph around it.
its proven to work, backed up pics and everything, its now take it or leave it.
its beyond debate since a while, the getting shredded part was done and proven long ago,kinda, andwere already into proving the maintenance works just as good.
it doesnt get any simpler than that, but the main pillars of the diet must be follwed or it just fails.
how can ppl think this will work on 100gramm protein, with booze every single day, going off gear and then start the diet etcetc, i seen it all.
when we say follwed as precisely as possible, we mean it.
and yeah its hard, hunger will be your brother,your shaddow, but its no harder than other "succesful" diets, while being through faster.
im sitting here and writing on the booklet any free minute i get and then i see ppl not doing as suggested and asking themselves whats up.
makes me wanna just stop writing,i could go out and enjoy the sun a bit or something, but im almost through , so yeah will finish it.
its take it or leave it.
ofc noone will be harsh in tone when ppl dont get it.
noone has thick skin though, he can take attacks and speak forhimself very well, not sure if ppl remember the huge fallouts he and myself had back in the day,that was sheer knuckles, no gloves.
i seriously doubt that someone can go through a diet who gets upset and histerical about a little bit internet insults.
Of course the finished product will be available to all getbiggers for free for a limited time..... right >:(
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e-book, for sure
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100827699
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100827699
Is this cnbc's pc way of saying taco bell sell dildo's?
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god damnit im fuckign up. stalled at 190.
Cooking way too many delicious burgers. Need to eat chicken, vegies and eggs.
Galeniko, what do you think of the following:
1/2 cup milk
1/2 cup oatmeal
3 scoops whey protein.
Mix it all and eat.
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nah its too "un-diety" must be more pale food.
im not joking, you can forget milk and diary and oatmeals, i swear that wouldnt work for me.
it also takes away too many calories youd need for the protein.
theres very little leeway here.
gali's right ,,dairy is out,,causes water film in skin blurs leaness ,hold watery look could be slight depending on person.but goal is dry like your back pic,steamed chicken/brocolli and then wait,,,,,,,,eat again later.
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Waiting impatiently for the ebook lol like a lil kid during Christmas.
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Can I get special recognition for posing the question and starting the thread. Maybe write the foreword. ;D
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Gal, I know you said no dairy but what about a little cottage cheese? :P
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I competed in a show weighing 14'10 and then decided to do a light heavy show two weeks later.
I mentioned it backstage to one of my fellow competitors and he said, "How are you going to lose the weight, do coke for two weeks?"
I just said "no, I'm going to diet" ::)
its another one of bb dirty little secrets
bottom line is that people that will shoot gear, hgh and insulin have no qualms sticking cocaine into the mix
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I don't agree with this notion that it's so difficult to lose muscle while dieting, maybe if on steroids it is but not natural. Most of the scientific studies I've seen show that people lose a significant amount of lean mass along with fat whilst iin a calorie deficit and those studies are not on very extreme calorie deficits.
I once dieted naturally from a very fat 17.1 stone down to a still fat 14.1 , took me 3 months on 1600cals didn't have a single cheat day in the whole time and hardly a soul noticed I lost a thing(weight training regularly), I certainly lost a significant amount of muscle . I then started a bit of juice and was up to 14 1/2 stone in the following 3 months and then everyone was telling me how much weight i'd lost and how good i looked!
I think it is a mistake to think that what will work for someone assisted will work the same for naturals. I personally believe naturals need to diet much more slowly to avoid too much muscle loss.
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what differences, besides the 50g of fat? i don't remember reading about any other differences? maybe i missed something?
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yeah ok, something like special mentions.haha, some are already mentioned haha
and theres 1 or 2 joke-ish chapters (im dead serious about it though), 1of them i have to say is a piece of art
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I bet your friend cswol gets special mention. :D
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Lol how did this become 60 odd pages!?
Gal gives everyone quickest way to cut fat.
200g+ protein trace fats trace carbs
Chicken, turkey, tuna, broccoli
Train hard with weights, take some peds (adrol) to hang on to muscle.
Use will power not fat burners & starve the fat off
Cardio, if u want but not necessary with this big kcal deficit
It's not easy and this is why most people are fat arses
When ur shredded every few days you can enjoy some yum yum then get back on track.
"Gal can I have oats, milk & whey?" Seriously!?
No wonder no one is losing it with some of you
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any problem if I get most/all my protein from egg whites? They're 0 fat and highly digestable :D
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yeah,cool story ;D
but it was said theres a difference, and the both have to take different approach.
its explained the difference, i did this both natty and ped, natty wasnt all that extreme lean, but striations on legs were there.
the dieting approach was and has to be different.
for who can read, itll be there.
yes ,it s harder for naturals, yes takes longer, yes, small errors and theres a price to pay.muscle loss can become an issue from certain bofyfat levels,but thatll be lean enough.
and yes on ped muscle loss is not happening.
see we agree, you just obviously didnt read, hence the book, for whos really interested beyond on-same-page-chit-chat.
Yeh must admit I haven't read all of thread as seems a bit like the re invention of the wheel!
Don't think there's a great deal more to it than keeping protein high and having the willpower to not cave in . But I thought most people were already aware of that!
But thought I read a few times on here(maybe not from you) that muscle loss was a non issue even for naturals, maybe i read wrong as have only been skimming really.
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the idea is to tell how its possible to sat 6% year round while getting away with shit foods,and to come in to near competition level shredded in no time from there, and how to lose fat fastest way in general.
there seems to be shitloads of confusion on those topics, this thread is testimony to that.
from 2 guys who have done this.
not did some 30 week diet, got shredded once and then turn fatso again to never be heard of again.
you know you doing it right when ppl who earned ifbb pro card come to you and ask how the hell you do this.
as for naturals, the honorary and most respectable "disgusted" said himself that muscle loss is no issue for naturals and he gets his clints shredded.
flat and muscle loss are not the same, but sub 6% a natural must ask himself if hes getting too flat all around.
you know, how are we gonna define muscle loss.a leaner muscle becomes like you know,this sundried red meat(my grandfather used to do that).
what is muscle loss?is it muscle loss when one loses half an inch arm size during diet?
i crtainly lst more than an inch since my permabulking days.
i'm not suggesting that you're not doing it right as maintaining such a level of BF all the time, the results speak for themselves. But i think it is simply down to you having the will power to maintain that.
But unless your 'book' is solely about how to improve will power not sure what you can put in it that people won't have already know of.
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I don't agree with this notion that it's so difficult to lose muscle while dieting, maybe if on steroids it is but not natural. Most of the scientific studies I've seen show that people lose a significant amount of lean mass along with fat whilst iin a calorie deficit and those studies are not on very extreme calorie deficits.
I once dieted naturally from a very fat 17.1 stone down to a still fat 14.1 , took me 3 months on 1600cals didn't have a single cheat day in the whole time and hardly a soul noticed I lost a thing(weight training regularly), I certainly lost a significant amount of muscle . I then started a bit of juice and was up to 14 1/2 stone in the following 3 months and then everyone was telling me how much weight i'd lost and how good i looked!
I think it is a mistake to think that what will work for someone assisted will work the same for naturals. I personally believe naturals need to diet much more slowly to avoid too much muscle loss.
I agree with what you wrote here. It seems to me a lot of folks want changes overnight, which is simply not realistic. It takes awhile to get fat and it will take awhile to slim down. Crash diets are simply not healthy. Our bodies need nutrition. It has been shown time and time again that folks who lose a lot of weight in a short time period often gain all of it back and then some. The reason given for this is that when a diet is deficient, the body goes into starvation mode, the metabolism slows down and it can become even harder to shed pounds. When a person starts eating more normally, it takes awhile for the body to recover.
I am not one for dieting. However, I have found the less I eat in one meal and the more often I eat the faster my metabolism is and the easier it is to maintain or lose weight. If people just eat sensibly and healthfully all the time, work out routinely and get plenty of rest, they will be all the better for it. Young folks often get away with abusing their bodies without too many side effects then do older folks like myself. When I was a kid and into my 30's, my stomach was like a black hole for food. At 68, I eat a lot less and actually enjoy my food more. I make it a point to eat healthy most of the time. I have never been one who enjoys really sugary foods, but some unhealthy fats, like crispy bacon are my downfall. Not that I have bacon everyday or anything.
Your suggestion that we are all different and will respond to diet and exercise differently is right on target. Many folks don't take the time and thought to learn their bodies needs. Our culture diminishes the natural cravings we would have which are based on what nutrition we are lacking or needing and not so much on what we are told we should consume or the bad eating habits we've learn along the way. I mean this in a very general sense, because many folks who are into fitness also pay more attention to eating healthy. However, too many of the general population in all developed countries keeps getting more and more obese.
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any problem if I get most/all my protein from egg whites? They're 0 fat and highly digestable :D
I am no diet expert, but I believe one should consume protein from various sources. Do you know how much fat there is in an egg yoke? It is not that much. One large egg contains:
Total fat 4.5 g 6%
Saturated fat 1.6 g 8%
Polyunsaturated fat 0.7 g
Monounsaturated fat 2 g
Fats help your body digest and utilize protein. Your goal should be to eat a balanced diet which provides no more than the number of calories you burn. If you want to lose weight, then slightly less calories than you burn is optimum. If you reduce fats too much, it will throw you digestive system out of balance. Worse, many folks are cutting fats while adding carbs which make no sense what-so-ever.
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plenty.
goes beyond willpower.willpower is given factor in any diet, i mean id hardly sit down and say"hey just have willpower".
theres a reason why i holding the condition and get away with eating more of the wrost food than mosr permabulkers and fatsos do.
if it was just willpower, everyone would just go ahead and do that.the will to look like that certainly is there in many.
but the confusion as to how is big out there.and there hasnt been a predecendent case that i know of.
not even hamdy stays that lean year round, granted he dont even train half the year, but yeah.
that said, heres a general message and in particular a message to the toothpick legged "the bouncer"(balding 30year old), legs withering away,eh?
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130620_193240_zps63b8263d.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130620_193240_zps63b8263d.jpg.html)
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tiny legs, getting tiny from low calories blablabla.
"it cannot be!"
i train them with a brutal 1 plate per side squats.2 plates on a "heavy" day, take note.
ofc i can "squat" 4 plates with locking out joints, no full rom, piss poor form,all the load going to all the wrong places.
please take note of the dryness between kneecaps and muscle insertions.hope this helps.
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8)LOOKING SEPERATED,,,
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why are crash diets not healthy?
in what lifestyle mag did you read that trash?
did the same article claiming the above also say to "grant yourself a treat here and there, just eat less overall"?
man, this isnt a holiday resort for soccer moms, this is for having shredded,peeled look.
this isnt about a middle aged woman who dont fit into size 12 anymore and wants to slim down to a 10 ;D
they also look striated to me, and about twice the size of the metrosexual twinks standing next to me ;D
1 plate each side, lay nortern could learn something from me, his legs look like havy wind gust would break thenm apart.same goes for "the bouncer", i have seen "soccer" players with bigger and more conditioned legs than him.
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LOL ;D
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Layne Norton is probably on more drugs than Gal yet looks like shit.
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plenty.
goes beyond willpower.willpower is given factor in any diet, i mean id hardly sit down and say"hey just have willpower".
theres a reason why i holding the condition and get away with eating more of the wrost food than mosr permabulkers and fatsos do.
yeh because you obviously starve at other times , so overall cals are still low enough to maintain said condition.
if it was just willpower, everyone would just go ahead and do that.the will to look like that certainly is there in many.
everyone does not have your will power that is the single reason. me for instance i sit at around 15 stone between 10-12% BF , i know i would look ten times better if i got shredded but i know i kind of look semi decent as i do, so i have the odd attempt to really diet but i know deep down i just don't want it enough to endure a strict enough diet, and that's why i fail to get BF in single figs.
I know without a doubt if i could show the same willpower and determination i did to get from 17 st - 14 st, i would get shredded without a doubt, but at 17stone one day it just hit i hit me how much bag of sh@t i looked and i knew i had to really do something, and the willpower was just there and managed 3 months sticking to 1600cal without breaking once.
It;s like a drug addict , they can do any form of rehab method imaginable, but they will only succeed in getting clean when they hit the point that they really want it enough. Nothing more to it than will power IMO.
but the confusion as to how is big out there.and there hasnt been a predecendent case that i know of.
not even hamdy stays that lean year round, granted he dont even train half the year, but yeah.
that said, heres a general message and in particular a message to the toothpick legged "the bouncer"(balding 30year old), legs withering away,eh?
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130620_193240_zps63b8263d.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130620_193240_zps63b8263d.jpg.html)
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tiny legs, getting tiny from low calories blablabla.
"it cannot be!"
i train them with a brutal 1 plate per side squats.2 plates on a "heavy" day, take note.
ofc i can "squat" 4 plates with locking out joints, no full rom, piss poor form,all the load going to all the wrong places.
please take note of the dryness between kneecaps and muscle insertions.hope this helps.
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plenty.
goes beyond willpower.willpower is given factor in any diet, i mean id hardly sit down and say"hey just have willpower".
theres a reason why i holding the condition and get away with eating more of the wrost food than mosr permabulkers and fatsos do.
if it was just willpower, everyone would just go ahead and do that.the will to look like that certainly is there in many.
but the confusion as to how is big out there.and there hasnt been a predecendent case that i know of.
not even hamdy stays that lean year round, granted he dont even train half the year, but yeah.
that said, heres a general message and in particular a message to the toothpick legged "the bouncer"(balding 30year old), legs withering away,eh?
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130620_193240_zps63b8263d.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130620_193240_zps63b8263d.jpg.html)
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tiny legs, getting tiny from low calories blablabla.
"it cannot be!"
i train them with a brutal 1 plate per side squats.2 plates on a "heavy" day, take note.
ofc i can "squat" 4 plates with locking out joints, no full rom, piss poor form,all the load going to all the wrong places.
please take note of the dryness between kneecaps and muscle insertions.hope this helps.
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GUY IN BACKROUND WATCHING U PEEL LOL,,,
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GUY IN BACKROUND WATCHING U PEEL LOL,,,
As he rubs his nipples.
Man, those legs are looking good (33.3% homo)
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GUY IN BACKROUND WATCHING U PEEL LOL,,,
He should get one of the schmoes in the gym take his photo like musclecenter does 8)
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concker, much also has to do with the fer of losing muscle.
haha, the emplyees there at the counter always tell me please for the love of god, keep your clothes on ;D
U WON'T LISTEN,,,U PROBABLY SKI DOWN A SWISS MOUNTAIN SHIRTLESS ,ABS FLEXED ,POLES BETWEEN LEGS AS U TRY FOR A SPLIT SECOND TO HIT A BI/TRI POSE BEFORE CLIPPING A TREE NOT PAYING ATTENTION,,,
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Layne Norton is probably on more drugs than Gal yet looks like shit.
again as gal and I keep discovering what your 'supposed' to do produces dramatically less efficient results than what we are doing. I cannot 'prove' my theories on this, just based on what I feel to be true based on what i know and have learned, but the main differences causing layne to not get gals level of conditioning are:
dieting too long. it seems for some reason the harder you throw your body into this deficit the better it partitions the nutrients it gets. allowing for better lean tissue retention, actually faster recovery between workouts and in my case the creation of new tissue mostly in part to those factors. cause I'm on exactly the third the amount of anabolics it took me to get here and Im leaner and bigger relatively than I have ever been. again, all unexplainable and not supposed to be happening but it is.
too high cals w cardio. all those cals are only going to support fat he's trying to lose. all the cardio does is burn off cals he's giving his body that it doesn't need. lol talk about an inefficient push/ pull scenario. but I guess 'conventional wisdom' says that's what your supposed to be going I guess.
wrong choice of agents to diet on in terms of anabolics. forget all the 'go to' prep drugs. there's one your never think of above all and no it isn't anadrol.
finally I think the combination of all these factors couple w fat burners and all the other shit he takes his body doesn't need (including food) is preventing him from getting to where gal is.
my 0.2. provable? no. speculative at best. but I'm ok w that cause it doesn't matter 'why'. all that matters is that it works, period.
thats why im so far over arguing about this stuff with people. its there. try it. im waking up every am leaner than i have ever been in my life. i cannot wait to get to the gym tomorrow. i look bigger than i ever been. i got told i looked like a super hero yesterday ffs. if someone doesnt want to get this system, take the time to learn it or follow it, great. cause at this point i could honestly care less. i have nothing to prove anymore. lol
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What I've started doing for my "diet" (oh brother) recently is I LOVE breakfast, eggs/bacon/sausage/hashbrowns/etc., so I'll eat a big meal with stuff like that for breakfast, then basically eat nothing all day unless I'm just famished to the point of distraction then I might have a bagel or yogurt or something, then eat something sensible for dinner plus another snack later if I get hungry again.
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Pedomuscle wrong as usual, I did the psmf and lost twenty lbs in ten days without strength loss. Sadly I have willpower issues so I ate a lot since then and haven't dropped any more. This thread , and cswols recent picture, is a good reminder to get back on 1200 cals a day for a couple more weeks so I can be 200 for summer.
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still at the end of the day you need to have some muscle and having good degree thickness to show,,and other than gali and few others,,pics to show what this plan has done,,,
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exactly its not like its gonna kill anyone ::)
when a fatso tells me "but im starving so badly i MUST eat something now" ,its beyond pathetic.
the muscle loss bulshit seems just to be a indirect excuse for eating.
oh well.
or wjhen ppl say they need the calories to train and then overestimate the cals needed by some 1000cals,oh brother ::)
a weightlifting session burns a "brutal" 300cals,if that.
I think that high volume squatting every day burns more than that but what do I know. Then again, if you're just pumping up upper body then I believe it's even less than that.
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yeah, no way in hell the average workout burns 300 cals
300 cals, according to a treadmill, is like running at 9mph for maybe 15 minutes
unless you're doing barbell circuits or something, seems highly unlikely you're expending that kind of effort in the gym
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yeah, no way in hell the average workout burns 300 cals
300 cals, according to a treadmill, is like running at 9mph for maybe 15 minutes
unless you're doing barbell circuits or something, seems highly unlikely you're expending that kind of effort in the gym
I don't count the cal burn from lifting, its negligible. However I do like to burn 100 cals between exercises, or even between sets when I get the chance.. hop on the treadmill or elliptical instead of sitting on the bench like a fat whale 'recovering' between sets.
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yeah, no way in hell the average workout burns 300 cals
300 cals, according to a treadmill, is like running at 9mph for maybe 15 minutes
unless you're doing barbell circuits or something, seems highly unlikely you're expending that kind of effort in the gym
Calories Burned at 200 to 240 Lbs.
A person weighing 200 lbs. will burn approximately 273 calories per hour doing general weight-lifting. At 240 lbs., you'll burn about 327 calories. Vigorous weight-lifting will burn about twice as many calories as general weight-lifting.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/220952-calories-burned-from-one-hour-of-lifting-weights/#ixzz2Wtzwnrqu
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thanks primemuscle.
ppl severly overestimate calories burned during weight lifting.
a very busy waiter burns more in the same time.
and yet they think they need 500+calories from pre and postworkout meals.haha ;D
this is the same as the fatso women who do 30 minutes cardio at no pace worth mention and then reward themseves with a pizza for that.
same principle.
good work g,,,
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yeah, no way in hell the average workout burns 300 cals
300 cals, according to a treadmill, is like running at 9mph for maybe 15 minutes
unless you're doing barbell circuits or something, seems highly unlikely you're expending that kind of effort in the gym
Yes this is precisely the "problem".
Your average lifter is entirely sedentary outside of burning a grand total of like 500 kcal a week lifting weights three or four days a week, wonders why he's still fat and soft while overeating by 1000 calories a day despite "training" so intensely.
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Galeniko understand s nutrition and drugs very well....I would listen to his advice
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Galeniko understand s nutrition and drugs very well....I would listen to his advice
Some of us who were genetically blessed with fast metabolisms and ectomorphic bodies, like me, had to eat everything including "kitchen sink" when we started working out just to gain one stinking pound of muscle. This helped us formed the habit of overeating and getting away with it. What some folks neglect to realize is one's metabolism isn't static, it changes over time. The first time I was able to actually add weight with out eating tons of food was when I was 29 and gave up smoking (cigarettes).
I started out as an emaciated 126 lb. nearly 6' tall gawky kid who wanted to be big like some of the jocks in high school. Guys big enough to play Jr. varsity and varsity football got all the glory and the girls....remember? Today I weigh 208 lbs. with a 34" waist and a so, so build. Without doubt, I am probably carrying around too much fat....but I achieved my goal of being big and truth be told, I like how I feel.
As fate would have it, I was talking to a fellow at the gym who was clearly out of shape and overweight. He also suffers from type II diabetes. He told me that he is 34 years old, half my age. He played high school football. In those days he was a little over 200 lbs. As he got older into his 20's and 30's his weight climbed to 260. I would guess him to be between 5'8" and 5'9". He had impressive calves and big muscular quads. It was hard to tell if they were leftover from his sports years or he got them because they were holding up his stomach, which looked like he was about to give birth to quadruplets who weighed 10 lbs. a piece.
This experience left me wondering what some of those guys I once so envied look like today. Did they capitalize on their genetically athletic endomorphic builds by eating right and working out? Or like the poor fellow I talked to at the gym, did they abuse their natural/genetic gifts before they were even officially middle aged? And if they did, are they even alive today or did they do themselves in, dying of diabetes, heart and/or kidney failure?
Personally, I think there are a lot of folks who suffer from some type of body dysmorphic disorder, either seeing themselves as still looking puny, when they aren't or seeing themselves as fat, when they are not. I have always believed in moderation. Extremes may get a person noticed and even allow them some celebrity status, but extremes are rarely healthy, regardless of whether one is 5'8" lugging around 235 lbs. of muscle or 6' and 165 lbs. with single digit body fat percentages.
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thanks, brother.
more important, its to follow it, just listening and then not doing as said wont go places :D
prime muscle, theres no ecto endo meso morfs, other than structure.
their metablosim rates are all within few %.
there is not ppl who can get away with eating everything and not get ft, and there is not ppl who get fat just by looking at food.
theres only ppl who overeat, ppl with small stomachs, ppl with more efficient metabolism bc of being more active.
a baby has very small stomach, it cant eat so much.ectomorfs have small frame with bit smaller stomach, etc.
force feed ectomorf with 10k cals a day for a while and see how he gets away with eating anything.
starve an alleged endomoirf and see how he cant lose weight.
in the concentration camps,i bet the jewish were all mixes of morfs, and the survivors all came shredded.
conclusion, sciene says theres different bodytypes but they only mean bone structure, not metaboism.
ofc a mesomorf structure will look more muscular than a wide hipped turd endomorfic one.by default.
is that the best analogy you could come up with
bit distasteful
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i could have use a famine instead, but thats an unknown thing in the usa ;D
ha ;D
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You're wrong on this one Gal, people DO differ. Two examples:
- my good friend, eats around 3800 calories. no cardio, sedentary lifestyle, around 90kg BW ATM. 8% bf year round, test+deca+dianabol. no bloat, he has trouble bulking because when he upped calories his body adapted and after an initial increase in BW he started loosing bodyfat again.
(http://i.imgur.com/2QMtul.jpg)
This is him, SHREDDED.
- my friend's trainee. 300-350g of carbs every day until the day of the contest. no t3, 20 mins of light cardio per day.
cannot post photos.
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sick build^^^^
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thanks, brother.
more important, its to follow it, just listening and then not doing as said wont go places :D
prime muscle, theres no ecto endo meso morfs, other than structure.
their metablosim rates are all within few %.
there is not ppl who can get away with eating everything and not get ft, and there is not ppl who get fat just by looking at food.
theres only ppl who overeat, ppl with small stomachs, ppl with more efficient metabolism bc of being more active.
a baby has very small stomach, it cant eat so much.ectomorfs have small frame with bit smaller stomach, etc.
force feed ectomorf with 10k cals a day for a while and see how he gets away with eating anything.
starve an alleged endomoirf and see how he cant lose weight.
in the concentration camps,i bet the jewish were all mixes of morfs, and the survivors all came shredded.
conclusion, sciene says theres different bodytypes but they only mean bone structure, not metaboism.
ofc a mesomorf structure will look more muscular than a wide hipped turd endomorfic one.by default.
Everyone should save this post & read it regularly.
Spot on.
& whenever sum1 at my gym says iv tried every diet I can and can't lose weight I always say you must be like those fattys that came out the concentration camps...they say "yeh.....no wait..hold on". Fat people are liars.
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galenko is the kind of guy that will juice until he has a major health problem
then juice some more until hes dead
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and perform PMH
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Fat people are liars.
This is true.
If you ask a fat slob what he/she has eaten that day, they'll almost invariably answer that they've eaten nothing but salad.
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and then do thesame next life again :D
RESPECT......a real mans answer, fuck yeah, better to burn up then to fade away!
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thanks, brother.
more important, its to follow it, just listening and then not doing as said wont go places :D
prime muscle, theres no ecto endo meso morfs, other than structure.
their metablosim rates are all within few %.
there is not ppl who can get away with eating everything and not get ft, and there is not ppl who get fat just by looking at food.
theres only ppl who overeat, ppl with small stomachs, ppl with more efficient metabolism bc of being more active.
a baby has very small stomach, it cant eat so much.ectomorfs have small frame with bit smaller stomach, etc.
force feed ectomorf with 10k cals a day for a while and see how he gets away with eating anything.
starve an alleged endomoirf and see how he cant lose weight.
in the concentration camps,i bet the jewish were all mixes of morfs, and the survivors all came shredded.
conclusion, sciene says theres different bodytypes but they only mean bone structure, not metaboism.
ofc a mesomorf structure will look more muscular than a wide hipped turd endomorfic one.by default.
Perhaps you know more about the science of genetic body types then I do. What I know from personal experience is that both my parents were extremely thin. My dad was 6'6" and when he enlisted in the military as a young man he only weighed a little over 165 lbs. A few years later, when he met my mom he was up to 175 lbs. He had big bones. My mom was a rail. She was 5'8" tall. The most she ever weighed was 129 when she was 29 years old. Most of her life she weighed around 120 lbs. She would have been considered medium to large boned. When I was 16 and stood nearly 6', I weighed 126 lbs. My wrists measure 9". I believe I am big boned. Our family doctor prescribed D-bol and testosterone shots to help me put on some size back then. I managed to get up to 144 lbs. over the course of a year. Maybe I am not an ectomorph genetically, but it sure felt like it and I sure looked something like the examples normally shown of this body type.
You are right in that we inherit more than just bone structure. We inherit to some degree our parents' metabolisms. Many kids learn eating habits from their parents. Mine ate healthy and in small quantities compared to what you see folks eating today. Also, junk food was not common in my childhood home. Instead, there was always a bowl of fresh fruit on the kitchen table. Since I was an only child my mom did not fix meals "family style" rather we each got a portion on our plate with no seconds available. Deserts were reserved for special occasions only. When I was in elementary school, my mom packed my lunch. It is safe to say, I got a good start from my parents as far as eating habits goes.
I mentioned that I weigh over 200 lbs. these days. This did not come naturally. I started working out with weights in my teens. As I mentioned, I did some cycles of then legal anabolic steroids as prescribed by my parent's physician. Over the years, whenever I'd slack off on the weight training, I would lose weight. My weight as an adult has been all over the map. I have weighed as little as 155 lbs. and as much as 225 lbs. The latter being when I was taking D-bol in my late 20's and working out almost daily. The former when I was not working out and not on any AS or supplements. Currently, because of low testosterone, I am injecting 200 mg of test cyp every other week. This is also with a doctor's prescription.
I am not cut or ripped. I also am not fat. I feel good about how I look. I am healthier and more fit then most guys I see walking around who are senior citizens like me. If I were to live the rest of my life in this condition, that would be great with me. It matters not whether I am an ecto, endo or meso bodytype. :D
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yeah, and its not like falcons swinery eating is any healthyer, and the guy is on rec drugs, so i hardly need lesons from him.
that said , still going strong, ripped like hell, still not fading away:
Interesting photo. You do look ripped and you are obviously flexing hard. What make the photo so interesting is the camera person up in the right hand corner taking your photo.
Check this out and let me know what you think.
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yeah, and its not like falcons swinery eating is any healthyer, and the guy is on rec drugs, so i hardly need lesons from him.
that said , still going strong, ripped like hell, still not fading away:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130622_191928_zpsbd37513f.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130622_191928_zpsbd37513f.jpg.html)
you having a shit there cus
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Your best pictures by far, in daylight and on video size shows. Pictures and dark light can make anyone look shredded and big.
Legit 48cm there. Still 250mg/week of test? Looks like you upped the dose or added something.
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yeah, and its not like falcons swinery eating is any healthyer, and the guy is on rec drugs, so i hardly need lesons from him.
that said , still going strong, ripped like hell, still not fading away:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130622_191928_zpsbd37513f.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130622_191928_zpsbd37513f.jpg.html)
jeus dude your losing all you muscle on this diet! you need more cals! big guys will lose too much lean tissue!
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keep grinding my man. inspirational to say the least to see someone hold better than pro pre contest 'day of' conditioning for months on end. wheres the 'rebound'? lol
this shit is magic.
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I would cast Gal in Hostel 3.
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yeah, and its not like falcons swinery eating is any healthyer, and the guy is on rec drugs, so i hardly need lesons from him.
that said , still going strong, ripped like hell, still not fading away:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130622_191928_zpsbd37513f.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/20130622_191928_zpsbd37513f.jpg.html)
Look great bro.
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Epic circle jerking in this thread.
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which role? ;D
The tanned dude in a full, Addidas track suit. ;D
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yeah totally whitering away,eh?while it looks,asdeceiver said, and feels to me that im growing a bit actually.
not joking, youre feeling thesame,we talked about it.
like how the hell can you explain that? im on 1/3rd of what i took to build this, and im growing in a severe deficit. like its mind boggling to say the least. like we talked about has to be in such a deficit that the body becomes so much better at utilising nutrients, including proteins for anabolism. how else can you explain it? its not my imagination. its happening. bizzare but i'll take it. :D also the training. its hitting me now but the ability to train the whole body 2-3 times a week without burnout like this? how the f**k is that even possible. lol the body is an amazingly complex, wonderful machine.
Epic circle jerking in this thread.
epic wanting to be something your never going to be, so you have to put it down to make yourself feel better.
must suck being so sub par to yourelf that the only way you can band-aid it is to hate. lol
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Galeniko, is this the first time you've got this ripped in your life?
Also gal/no one, waht do you think about just doing whey protein + water or steamed brocolli/peas pre workout.
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Galeniko, is this the first time you've got this ripped in your life?
Also gal/no one, waht do you think about just doing whey protein + water or steamed brocolli/peas pre workout.
why pre workout? its not about eating at certain times, its more about not eating at certain times. if you can train fasted do so. then stay as fasted as long as you can after. we are finding this is very very important to increase the bodies ability to burn fat. your not eating for fuel, your body is supplying that.
so why eat before you train? so many indoctrinated useless habits we have developed because 'were supposed to do that'. clearly its not what we are supposed to do, or else the body wouldnt respond as remarkably as it has.
also, i wouldnt use the powder with just water. it wont satiate you. it might just leave you hungrier. if you use powder, put it in coffee. that way it'll at least blunt your appetite. but powder in water is not a good idea. stick to whole food instead. and btw powder makes up almost 100% of my protein source, with odd days with meat. always in coffee, never water. cheers.
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no one, please speak more on this protein-powder-in-the-coffee theorem, I'm intrigued.
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why pre workout? its not about eating at certain times, its more about not eating at certain times. if you can train fasted do so. then stay as fasted as long as you can after. we are finding this is very very important to increase the bodies ability to burn fat. your not eating for fuel, your body is supplying that.
so why eat before you train? so many indoctrinated useless habits we have developed because 'were supposed to do that'. clearly its not what we are supposed to do, or else the body wouldnt respond as remarkably as it has.
also, i wouldnt use the powder with just water. it wont satiate you. it might just leave you hungrier. if you use powder, put it in coffee. that way it'll at least blunt your appetite. but powder in water is not a good idea. stick to whole food instead. and btw powder makes up almost 100% of my protein source, with odd days with meat. always in coffee, never water. cheers.
My body is not yet used to training without having a pwo meal of some sorts. I've went down from guzzing milk ladden protein shakes and pb&j sandwiches to this.
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no one, please speak more on this protein-powder-in-the-coffee theorem, I'm intrigued.
1. Put protein powder in coffee.
2. Mix to desired consistency.
3. Drink.
HTH
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which role? ;D
Joe Pesci's muscular nephew. 8)
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081111080335/mafia/images/e/ea/Tn2_joe_pesci_4.jpg)
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eat less cals get RIPPED
simple in word, but not simple in deed
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nah, in my early 20s i got somewhere similiar,maybe even bit more shredded, but less fullness.
and last summer was similar best condition,almost like this, and this january was close to it,but i felt its too early,shit weather etc,to go all out.
but ,the last 3 years was always, within few lbs of this, i stepped on scale today, was 95kilos with those few clothes in the vid,for who cares.
pre workout meal?why would you have that?until thats metabolised, itll take 10hrs.this is how ridiculous the broscience about pre workout meals is.
if hungry, thats perfect, just drink some water(diet coke is ok too,but i dont drink that before workouts it blows up my stomach).
noone said this really well, its about when not to eat, rather than when to eat.
the mindset of counting calories(i never count,but i know how much is in what from experience and keep to my limit)and scheduled meals is 2 habbits one best gets rid of forever.
yeah, the mindset has kinda to be to only eat to not die or shut the body down, the times for big meals of junk will come,the relief will be there.
i think he means this, coffee shuts down apetite and hunger pretty well.and its a hot drink,takes time to down it.often all it takes to overcome the admitedly furious hunger bangs, is just bit time and they go away.
yes, seems like it responds to very slight changes in diet with actual growth,so much for muscle loss.
the training is also weird, you know im deliberately going to the limits,always on the verge of overtraining, deliberqately, so i do some light workouts at times to not fall into full out overtraining,and soemtimes strenght absolute sucks.but volume i always do,and the pump is always brutal.,
but strenght is very random, but who cares,im not hyperventilating bc 1workout the lifted weight sucks,i find being close to overtraining is beter, for it puts the body at so much stress,it makes the metabloism work extremly well,its forced to.
its used every little bit food it gets perfectly where itsneeded and this is shown in the very scarce toilet visits i have to have.
and,this is on absolute min natural dosage.
got to laugh at the he guys who plan and collect their complicated dieting drug regiument, anti estrogens(lol),t3(yet of all ppl they shout alarmism bc possible muscle loss,when t3 is the best muscle killer out there, can be avoidd,if you increase dosageof gear,but thats no good solution etc),then the notorious alleged cutting drugs stack ,the cardio, the scheduled meals(turning asocial)and whatnot.
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I did not realize you were only in your 20's. Congratulations on learning what your body needs and how it responds so early on. Some people never learn to do this, regardless of how old they are. Stay focused and remember moderation is good because it helps us keep things real.
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http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2012/08/dieting-more-mental-than-physical-and.html
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Galeniko understand s nutrition and drugs very well....I would listen to his advice
his current shape is great.
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I did not realize you were only in your 20's. Congratulations on learning what your body needs and how it responds so early on. Some people never learn to do this, regardless of how old they are. Stay focused and remember moderation is good because it helps us keep things real.
nah he is in his mid 30s, read again.
looking great gal, but the picture quality is shitty so im pretty sure you look way more impressive irl
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epic wanting to be something your never going to be, so you have to put it down to make yourself feel better.
must suck being so sub par to yourelf that the only way you can band-aid it is to hate. lol
Epic shot in the dark, folk psychological theorizing which is, needless to say, completely off-base (I couldn't be happier with myself relative the circus freaks here); brutal elementary school level ability to handle language; shocking gh15 elf Freudian slip.
Careful with your next slurp of galeniko gravy; you've had rather a lot and this next batch might bump you over your caloric limit. ;D
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Syntax has a way with words that i like. No offence NO ONE :)
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I've read the main points in this thread, one thing i can't find, or i missed perhaps is the following:
You go on a very low calorie protein diet all throughout the cut? or do you incorporate weekly cheat meals to re-fill glycogen stores?
I know what gal does for maintenance, but that's a different phase.
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syntaxmachine is one of the most mentally stable individuals we're blessed to have on this site.
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I've read the main points in this thread, one thing i can't find, or i missed perhaps is the following:
You go on a very low calorie protein diet all throughout the cut? or do you incorporate weekly cheat meals to re-fill glycogen stores?
I know what gal does for maintenance, but that's a different phase.
No cheat meals until shredded.
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nah can have cheat meals.
or rather,must.
butnot until single digits, until there, theynot needed, theyll only slow down the results.
later on is different.
Funny thing is now that I've gotten down to single digits, not your level, but 8-9%, I find that I don't want to cheat.
That said, how many can you get away with before seeing negative results? I'm not talking about binges, just typical American fatso meals eg. cheeseburger deluxe.
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this thread is drifting now
how about you throw up some bullet points gal
put your main points across in one easy post
it might help with some of the melon heads on here that keep asking the same questions
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nah he is in his mid 30s, read again.
looking great gal, but the picture quality is shitty so im pretty sure you look way more impressive irl
Oh, my error. Well compared to me he is still a really young man. My children are older than he is.
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Epic shot in the dark, folk psychological theorizing which is, needless to say, completely off-base (I couldn't be happier with myself relative the circus freaks here); brutal elementary school level ability to handle language; shocking gh15 elf Freudian slip.
Careful with your next slurp of galeniko gravy; you've had rather a lot and this next batch might bump you over your caloric limit. ;D
;D
this thread is drifting now
how about you throw up some bullet points gal
put your main points across in one easy post
it might help with some of the melon heads on here that keep asking the same questions
no kidding, it's been "drifting" ever since gal's first post. i don't understand why a "book" is needed, just one definitive post should do.
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syntaxmachine is one of the most mentally stable individuals we're blessed to have on this site.
there's a lot of truth in that. ;D
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ok, then i withdrawing the book.
its my part alone 50 pages,i wont bother any further.
its almost finished, noone can have the scripts and add his stuff i wont bother anymore.
not sharing with the unapreiative.
good luck with the diets out there ::)
thats not what he meant
not like you to be sensitive
i am sure you can put up a definitive ten step post or something
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ok, then i withdrawing the book.
its my part alone 50 pages,i wont bother any further.
its almost finished, noone can have the scripts and add his stuff i wont bother anymore.
not sharing with the unapreiative.
good luck with the diets out there ::)
Seems like you are expressing some "sour grapes" here. Some of the greatest writers of all time are not appreciated by everyone.
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Robert Cheeke is a vegan bodybuilder from Portland, OR.
Challenge to Falcon, if you followed his diet, do you think you could back into the shape you once were in?
Apparently there are more ways then one to eat clean and still get plenty of protein to feed muscle growth.
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Another photo of Robert Cheeke looking pretty well ripped.
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Another photo of Robert Cheeke looking pretty well ripped.
Nah, that guy is not ripped. Not really stage conditioning there.
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Another photo of Robert Cheeke looking pretty well ripped.
he looks like shit in that pic
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Another photo of Robert Cheeke looking pretty well ripped.
way off.
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Those pics just prove that vegans absolutley suck
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Those pics just prove that vegans absolutley suck
He has no photos of him doing a double biceps, he was too weak to get his arms over his head.
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in less than a year galenko will need a new kidney
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galenko what if god is real and punishes the fuck out of you for destroying your "temple"
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the problem with getbig is it acts like a huge trap, encouraging galenko time and time again to jump off the cliff but galenko lacks the dna to comprehend this
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Another photo of Robert Cheeke looking pretty well ripped.
that build looks natural just a very hideous expression , probably extremely dehydrated giving his face that unhealthy look
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=463549.0;attach=522792;image)
that is a sick build unfortantly you will have elevated psa levels and die from all the synthetic hormones killing off your prostate. dont be so fucking stupid bro.
getbiggers are not your "BRO's" . treat them like your enemies because they are. dont let them string you along into the volcano ass first
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galenko what if god is real and punishes the fuck out of you for destroying your "temple"
God will be way too tired after smiting you , you fat fuck.
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galenko what if god is real and punishes the fuck out of you for destroying your "temple"
What if god is real and wants everyone to do steroids?
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What if god is real and wants everyone to do steroids?
weighing the reasons why god would be for it would be outweighed by the reasons "god" would be against it
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Galeniko, what are your current "natty" doses that you are running?
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Let me tell you a real life story.
There was this promising, well known competitor. He competed at both national and international level as a junior with some success. Great structure, seemed dedicated, foundation as a powerlifter. Everything seemed OK.
Here's what happened.
He started "bulking" in the off season. By that I mean BINGING on mcdonald like there's no tommorow. He got himself fat like hell, obviously. Much bigger as well, obviously again. He even bragged about the way he bulks up and how he does not care about his off season look.
Problem is, he couldn't stop binging when he started dieting for a show. This ended up with him:
- throwing up the food after every binge (anorexia, yay!)
- using tons of t3 to burn that extra calories
Result is fucked up body, he cannot get into shape anymore. Permanently distended stomach, ruined structure. He's done as a bodybuilder and he knows that so he switches to MMA. But that's another story.
I believe Galeniko's approach is healthier. I mean, there are many ways to skin a cat but I will never believe that starving is more harmful than taking more drugs.
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Johnny. You shouldn't be talking about any temple garbage man. You've done a shit at the altar of your temple and wiped your ass on the curtains. :-\
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Let me tell you a real life story.
There was this promising, well known competitor. He competed at both national and international level as a junior with some success. Great structure, seemed dedicated, foundation as a powerlifter. Everything seemed OK.
Here's what happened.
He started "bulking" in the off season. By that I mean BINGING on mcdonald like there's no tommorow. He got himself fat like hell, obviously. Much bigger as well, obviously again. He even bragged about the way he bulks up and how he does not care about his off season look.
Problem is, he couldn't stop binging when he started dieting for a show. This ended up with him:
- throwing up the food after every binge (anorexia, yay!)
- using tons of t3 to burn that extra calories
Result is fucked up body, he cannot get into shape anymore. Permanently distended stomach, ruined structure. He's done as a bodybuilder and he knows that so he switches to MMA. But that's another story.
I believe Galeniko's approach is healthier. I mean, there are many ways to skin a cat but I will never believe that starving is more harmful than taking more drugs.
Your friend is FoodTreyBrewer?
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Your friend is FoodTreyBrewer?
He's not my friend. And he's not trey brewer, he's local polish dude.
Yet, shockingly similar story. Even powerlifting background. Come to thing about it, I know another guy who is similar, minus anorexia but has other mental issues. Same story basicly, bulked to the point of no return.
BTW Trey wasn't THAT fat compared to them. He had tons of muscle, tons of bloat and good amount of fat . It looked terrible but I don't think it was more than 20% bf. I was just as fat 2 years ago, just good 80kg less muscle, lol.
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half bottle tren ed, dont know how much is mg per ml.
and a vial of gh morning and before sleep.
and test p, 3times daily, with every tooth bruhing.
and i put dbols and winny tabs into my pre and post workout meals, they really bring the hardness.
see, no book required.everyone thinks it has to do with dosage and whats being ran.
so much for that.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=482832.0
You're joking but this guy's cycle is close to what you've mentioned and he looks like shit.
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so, i open up the thread and i see this shit? gal and i spend our time trying to help and this is what we get now? lol what a bunch of little homos.
bro, fuck em. like why even share it now- before i had an urgency to share it cause it was so remarkable that i wanted everyone to try it. now i could hardly give a fuck, esp after dealing with some of these dildos.
besides, what is written in this thread is maybe now, what, a 1/3 of the total of what we have learned, and contains nothing of what we have discovered in the last month? let them have it. let me just say good luck getting to 4% kids. it'll never happen. you'll burn out faster then a meth head on a 30 day crystal binge.
lol its like a field that has been mined with land mines. me and gal walk thru it, take the hits, make all the mistakes show you how to walk thru it faster and easier than you can ever imagine doing on your own or you would have done it by and for what? lol fuck this bro.
seriously. its assholes like syphillis the little pansy who thinks hes doing us a favour that can suck my dick.
good luck to the rest of you who care enough to try it.
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don't let Lame Nordstrom get you down, guys. He's just one troll. Plenty people here would love to (and need to!) read it.
And think on this: if you sell it, Lame will buy it, just so he can spout nonsense about it. Wouldn't that feel good? Having him pay for your content? ;D
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galenko thinks that his natty 13 inch bicepts were something that he couldnt bare to look at any more so now hes following the path of "whatever it takes" its rather unfortunate
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Is pathetik lAYNE nORTEM still melting down itt?
Oh brother....please let all of us know how you tore your pec while being an all "natural". Maybe you shouldn't have lowered your fucking dosages while fuking around with heavy weights on the bench.
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Falcon stick to your off the wall crazy ass drunk post....
You hung up bodybuilding or caring for you body a llllllooooonnnnggg time ago my friend. Any response is an excuse. Regardless if you were natty or not you look pretty sick back in the day. I also know a 48 year old grown ass man who "was an all star quarterback" BACK IN THE DAY.... give it up
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Regardless of those negative ppl, i for one would really love to read the book.
What u have posted i have tried and it helped me go through a huge plataeu.
Whatever its worth, thanks gal/noone and hope thebbook will see the light of day.
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so, i open up the thread and i see this shit? gal and i spend our time trying to help and this is what we get now? lol what a bunch of little homos.
bro, fuck em. like why even share it now- before i had an urgency to share it cause it was so remarkable that i wanted everyone to try it. now i could hardly give a fuck, esp after dealing with some of these dildos.
besides, what is written in this thread is maybe now, what, a 1/3 of the total of what we have learned, and contains nothing of what we have discovered in the last month? let them have it. let me just say good luck getting to 4% kids. it'll never happen. you'll burn out faster then a meth head on a 30 day crystal binge.
lol its like a field that has been mined with land mines. me and gal walk thru it, take the hits, make all the mistakes show you how to walk thru it faster and easier than you can ever imagine doing on your own or you would have done it by and for what? lol fuck this bro.
seriously. its assholes like syphillis the little pansy who thinks hes doing us a favour that can suck my dick.
good luck to the rest of you who care enough to try it.
like my uncle used to say "you gotta want it"
meaning if your mind is strong and your drive is high, you WILL get there
getting ripped is about suffering, if you can't handle suffering then this game is not for you
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galenko thinks that his natty 13 inch bicepts were something that he couldnt bare to look at any more so now hes following the path of "whatever it takes" its rather unfortunate
Did you see my post about the vegan bodybuilder from Portland? My daughter gave me the information about him and another Portland vegan bodybuilder.
I firmly believe humans are omnivores, but there is a strong movement toward vegetarianism and veganism lately. I am pretty healthy most of the time eating a omnivore diet. This doesn't mean I am not open to other ideas. Lately, I find myself eating more and more of a plant based diet. Lucky for me that I like beans. Beans are high in protein and they taste great when fixed right, Humus on whole wheat cracker is delicious and it always makes me feel invigorated.
Vegans don't consume dairy. I am a cheese lover. I am not sure I could give up dairy. Today I bought one of my favorite brands of Greek yogurt which has expanded their choices. The yogurt I bought today is honey lemon flavored. I have a cold at present. I suspect this influenced my yogurt flavor choice.
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Did you see my post about the vegan bodybuilder from Portland? My daughter gave me the information about him and another Portland vegan bodybuilder.
I firmly believe humans are omnivores, but there is a strong movement toward vegetarianism and veganism lately. I am pretty healthy most of the time eating a omnivore diet. This doesn't mean I am not open to other ideas. Lately, I find myself eating more and more of a plant based diet. Lucky for me that I like beans. Beans are high in protein and they taste great when fixed right, Humus on whole wheat cracker is delicious and it always makes me feel invigorated.
Vegans don't consume dairy. I am a cheese lover. I am not sure I could give up dairy. Today I bought one of my favorite brands of Greek yogurt which has expanded their choices. The yogurt I bought today is honey lemon flavored. I have a cold at present. I suspect this influenced my yogurt flavor choice.
Well that's just fucking marvelous. I can sleep safely tonight knowing a geriatric tubby old homo likes to eat beans with his hummus. Keep us updated on the state of your cold and yogurt choices, please.
Gal, this thread has gone to shit but some good stuff here.. Tomorrow I'm starting 1200 cals again. Will post before and afters
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Well that's just fucking marvelous. I can sleep safely tonight knowing a geriatric tubby old homo likes to eat beans with his hummus. Keep us updated on the state of your cold and yogurt choices, please.
When he decides not to share with us that's he's put some caramel syrup on his yogurt, it'll be all your fault. >:(
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like my uncle used to say "you gotta want it"
Was he your favorite uncle? :-*
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Did you see my post about the vegan bodybuilder from Portland? My daughter gave me the information about him and another Portland vegan bodybuilder.
I firmly believe humans are omnivores, but there is a strong movement toward vegetarianism and veganism lately. I am pretty healthy most of the time eating a omnivore diet. This doesn't mean I am not open to other ideas. Lately, I find myself eating more and more of a plant based diet. Lucky for me that I like beans. Beans are high in protein and they taste great when fixed right, Humus on whole wheat cracker is delicious and it always makes me feel invigorated.
Vegans don't consume dairy. I am a cheese lover. I am not sure I could give up dairy. Today I bought one of my favorite brands of Greek yogurt which has expanded their choices. The yogurt I bought today is honey lemon flavored. I have a cold at present. I suspect this influenced my yogurt flavor choice.
Sometimes it's the simple things......... ::)
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Did you see my post about the vegan bodybuilder from Portland? My daughter gave me the information about him and another Portland vegan bodybuilder.
I firmly believe humans are omnivores, but there is a strong movement toward vegetarianism and veganism lately. I am pretty healthy most of the time eating a omnivore diet. This doesn't mean I am not open to other ideas. Lately, I find myself eating more and more of a plant based diet. Lucky for me that I like beans. Beans are high in protein and they taste great when fixed right, Humus on whole wheat cracker is delicious and it always makes me feel invigorated.
Vegans don't consume dairy. I am a cheese lover. I am not sure I could give up dairy. Today I bought one of my favorite brands of Greek yogurt which has expanded their choices. The yogurt I bought today is honey lemon flavored. I have a cold at present. I suspect this influenced my yogurt flavor choice.
i eat plenty of dairy it is not harming the cow the hindus 'an intact culture for long period of time' know the cow is sacred, many more vegetarians over there as well compared to here
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this thread is drifting now
how about you throw up some bullet points gal
put your main points across in one easy post
it might help with some of the melon heads on here that keep asking the same questions
This is what I've gleaned. Gal or No One can correct any mistakes:
1. Carbs only from veggies, the fewer, the faster the bf loss.
2. Protein: about 1 gram per lb of body weight.
3. Small amount of fats, a few almonds or whole eggs.
4. Be active, walk alot. Cardio can speed up process.
5. Train hard but not necessarily heavy.
Do this until in single digits bf level, then cheat meals can be added. When body fat accumulates beyond desired levels, go back to strict diet.
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This is what I've gleaned. Gal or No One can correct any mistakes:
1. Carbs only from veggies, the fewer, the faster the bf loss.
2. Protein: about 1 gram per lb of body weight.
3. Small amount of fats, a few almonds or whole eggs.
4. Be active, walk alot. Cardio can speed up process.
5. Train hard but not necessarily heavy.
Do this until in single digits bf level, then cheat meals can be added. When body fat accumulates beyond desired levels, go back to strict diet.
6. If you follow all of the above to the dot, you will still look nowhere near as good as Galineko unless you have built a substantial base on hormones for years, and then maintain a good deal of dense muscle with low dosages (constant low dosages).
No offense to Gal (as I am a partaker in said hormonal activities myself) but that needs to be pointed out for those trying to look like Gal without any assistance whatsoever.
Yes you can get just as ripped naturally as Gal on 1500-1800 Kcals, carbs from veggies, high protein & trace fats - but you are NOT going to look anywhere near as good, big, dense, vascular, pumped etc etc.
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6. If you follow all of the above to the dot, you will still look nowhere near as good as Galineko unless you have built a substantial base on hormones for years, and then maintain a good deal of dense muscle with low dosages (constant low dosages).
No offense to Gal (as I am a partaker in said hormonal activities myself) but that needs to be pointed out for those trying to look like Gal without any assistance whatsoever.
Yes you can get just as ripped naturally as Gal on 1500-1800 Kcals, carbs from veggies, high protein & trace fats - but you are NOT going to look anywhere near as good, big, dense, vascular, pumped etc etc.
Do you think protein requirements for max size differ for the natty and the gear user?
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Well that's just fucking marvelous. I can sleep safely tonight knowing a geriatric tubby old homo likes to eat beans with his hummus. Keep us updated on the state of your cold and yogurt choices, please.
Gal, this thread has gone to shit but some good stuff here.. Tomorrow I'm starting 1200 cals again. Will post before and afters
Clearly, you know nothing about humus. Humus is made from garbanzo beans....you don't eat beans with humus unless perhaps you plan to blow a hole in your bunny suit.
Since you so kindly asked, the cold is alive and doing fine. I had yogurt for breakfast this morning.
Haven't seen your photos posted. I guess we just have to take your word that you are not just another geriatric, tubby old homo yourself. ;D
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Clearly, you know nothing about humus. Humus is made from garbanzo beans....you don't eat been with humus unless perhaps you plan to blow a hole in your bunny suit.
Since you so kindly asked, the cold is alive and doing fine. I had yogurt for breakfast this morning.
Haven't seen your photos posted. I guess we just have to take your word that you are just another geriatric, tubby old homo yourself. ;D
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68 pages. wow. But the thread has some interesting discussions.
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Galeniko: Question. When your body is in a ketogenic state.
1) When OR does your body use muscle tissue to fuel your workouts instead of fat? Is it when you're at a certain bf%?
2) How do you avoid using the protein from food as a energy source for you workouts?
Basically-does being in ketosis 'assure' fat burning for energy in place of food(protein).
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Galeniko: Question. When your body is in a ketogenic state.
1) When OR does your body use muscle tissue to fuel your workouts instead of fat? Is it when you're at a certain bf%?
2) How do you avoid using the protein from food as a energy source for you workouts?
Basically-does being in ketosis 'assure' fat burning for energy in place of food(protein).
who says were in ketosis?
dude. you need to get rid of every pre existing notion you have about anything you think you know. then you wont ask questions like this. im not saying they are dumb. they just dont apply, so cannot be answered in the scope of what we are doing.
and actually if you have been following the thread you'd know this.
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yo nicademus, smart question and im sure you understand .the answer.youre an educated guy
the body wont use muscle in this diet, mainly bc its given just enough protein,ofc the ped and how its applied(will be precisely explained in book), its forced to use fat and nothing else.i actually gotten into the 4%s and i swear it seems some muscles actualy grew.
with these fctors plus training,it just wont happen.
however, somewhere in the ow 6%s starts something where it needs a very pefect balance of bit junk foods,on bit more frequent basis, for theres almost no fat to drain off of the body.
i deliberately avoid ketosis, by having trace carbs, when one has carbs,to return to full out ketosis takes some 6hrs(so says science and i agre based on what keto sticks say, so this isnt really full ketosis, its somethign between glucogenesis and ketosis, i chose to call it the twilight zone.
answer to second question is basically answered with this too.
btw even naturals dont need to worry about muscle loss until 6% after that they just flat out,but even disgusted will tell you they dont lose muscle,they just flatten out sub 6%.
this answer is why someone whos coming from a geared bulk will not do sooo well on the diet.
also the not use of t3 and the such help to prevent muscle loss, and yes the ped choice plays a role.noone agrees with this too.and hes the bigger version of me.
its the twilight zone,notketosis 8)
that was much bette than my answer. lol
btw the twilight zone is prefect name for it.
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btw dude im really suffering over here.
i cant handle this. i have headaches. i feel faint. i think im losing muscle. i better switch back to chicken breast and broccoli. i cant keep eating like this. im going to get fat.
this was today. sunday night it was a large pepperoni bacon sausage onion hot pepper and ham pizza, and a waffle cone after with tigertail, bubble gum, and chocolate peanut butter ice cream- all the good ones we used to eat as kids before we grew up and it wanst cool to eat bubblegum ice cream anymore :D
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seriously tho i am suffering holy fuck am i full.
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who says were in ketosis?
dude. you need to get rid of every pre existing notion you have about anything you think you know. then you wont ask questions like this. im not saying they are dumb. they just dont apply, so cannot be answered in the scope of what we are doing.
and actually if you have been following the thread you'd know this.
I'm not being combative or getting in a shitting match w/ you. I usually ask Gal direct questions through a PM. However, when speaking w/ a friend about this thread he ask'd me some direct pointed questions about protein because "he" not "you" is running a ketogenic diet. He is a co-worker that has lost a great deal amount of fat w/ the guidance of me through this thread thanks to Galineko. I simply ask'd this question in a directed and pointed manner so I could give him a direct and pointed answer. I wanted to be responsible w/ my advice to him, hence double checking w/ the source.
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yo nicademus, smart question and im sure you understand .the answer.youre an educated guy
the body wont use muscle in this diet, mainly bc its given just enough protein,ofc the ped and how its applied(will be precisely explained in book), its forced to use fat and nothing else.i actually gotten into the 4%s and i swear it seems some muscles actualy grew.
with these fctors plus training,it just wont happen.
however, somewhere in the ow 6%s starts something where it needs a very pefect balance of bit junk foods,on bit more frequent basis, for theres almost no fat to drain off of the body.
i deliberately avoid ketosis, by having trace carbs, when one has carbs,to return to full out ketosis takes some 6hrs(so says science and i agre based on what keto sticks say, so this isnt really full ketosis, its somethign between glucogenesis and ketosis, i chose to call it the twilight zone.
answer to second question is basically answered with this too.
btw even naturals dont need to worry about muscle loss until 6% after that they just flat out,but even disgusted will tell you they dont lose muscle,they just flatten out sub 6%.
this answer is why someone whos coming from a geared bulk will not do sooo well on the diet.
also the not use of t3 and the such help to prevent muscle loss, and yes the ped choice plays a role.noone agrees with this too.and hes the bigger version of me.
its the twilight zone,notketosis 8)
Thanks man.
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I'm not being combative or getting in a shitting match w/ you. I usually ask Gal direct questions through a PM. However, when speaking w/ a friend about this thread he ask'd me some direct pointed questions about protein because "he" not "you" is running a ketogenic diet. He is a co-worker that has lost a great deal amount of fat w/ the guidance of me through this thread thanks to Galineko. I simply ask'd this question in a directed and pointed manner so I could give him the a direct and pointed answer. I wanted to be responsible w/ my advice to him, hence double checking w/ the source.
ah Ty for clarifying. I come off as abrasive in my replies but wasn't trying to be mean. cheers.
questions like this one are good. they create an atmosphere of 'thinking' whereas a lot oif them create an atmosphere of 'confusion' and that's what I was trying to nip in the bud. thanks for clarifying.
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btw dude im really suffering over here.
i cant handle this. i have headaches. i feel faint. i think im losing muscle. i better switch back to chicken breast and broccoli. i cant keep eating like this. im going to get fat.
this was today. sunday night it was a large pepperoni bacon sausage onion hot pepper and ham pizza, and a waffle cone after with tigertail, bubble gum, and chocolate peanut butter ice cream- all the good ones we used to eat as kids before we grew up and it wanst cool to eat bubblegum ice cream anymore :D
Hahaaaa.....dude i ate like shit today too. I just topped it off with three shitty hot dogs from the convenience store...the crappy ones that sit there all day :D it was awesome.
Tomorrow i predict an explosive shit in the AM, and then it's back on the horse...business as usual.
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man after my big cheats i have about 4-5 inhumane huge, cow-like shits in one day.
lol i ususally have 2 good shits back to back in the morning and one at night if im consistent on my workouts
pyramid shits of peace
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you know what, hilarious thing about this pic is, the deliberately placed bmw keys ;D
haha "i feel faint" lol, "im losingmuscle" ;D ;D
you know what ill post my next big meal next time i go full out :D
I asked the guy sitting beside me if I could borrow his keys for a minute. :D
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Hahaaaa.....dude i ate like shit today too. I just topped it off with three shitty hot dogs from the convenience store...the crappy ones that sit there all day :D it was awesome.
Tomorrow i predict an explosive shit in the AM, and then it's back on the horse...business as usual.
I'm loling!!!
ya you kinda forget you haven't had a dump in 3-4 days on this diet till the night you eat that meal. then by the am it's as you said it best, business as usual.
funny thing is people will look at this and think oh he doesn't eat like this all the time but the sad truth is you have to eat like this. like it's imperative. I suffer the rest of the night with sweats and a full stomach but the next day in the gym is killer, and the mental reset is even more valuable. gets you into the whole mood to fast for 24-30 hrs after and drop down to 1000cals for the next 3/4 days and when you look in the mirror- voila! another 2 pounds of fat gone. ;)
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ofc, bc we need the booksales to escape the ife in moms basement :D
hahaha ya my lambo murcielago is on order from all the money were going to be raking in :D
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I'm loling!!!
ya you kinda forget you haven't had a dump in 3-4 days on this diet till the night you eat that meal. then by the am it's as you said it best, business as usual.
funny thing is people will look at this and think oh he doesn't eat like this all the time but the sad truth is you have to eat like this. like it's imperative. I suffer the rest of the night with sweats and a full stomach but the next day in the gym is killer, and the mental reset is even more valuable. gets you into the whole mood to fast for 24-30 hrs after and drop down to 1000cals for the next 3/4 days and when you look in the mirror- voila! another 2 pounds of fat gone. ;)
Yep...ha ha.
The next day you are strong as an ox, loaded up with all that juicy glycogen. Then you piss out all the water the next two days and you are even leaner.
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Gal - all sincerity - no homo - no bs - this is probably the best thread and advice overall discussion I have EVEr seen on the web regarding diet for BB
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No shit u have "promotion shananigans" up your sleeve. This whole thread is a promotion. It reached a fever pitch yesterday when u guys told everyone that only 1/3 of the truth had been revealed. And then u said all bets were off and the book would never see the light of day, and this precious information that only u two have would never be known to the world. Thank god u changed your mind.
I hope you're giving Ron a cut. He deserves it.
oH BROTHER
STARVE
EAT CLEAN
DONT BOTHER OVERDOSIN ON DRUGS...ITS ALL BOUT DIET
CHEAT WHEN U ARE UNDER 10%
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Hahaaaa.....dude i ate like shit today too. I just topped it off with three shitty hot dogs from the convenience store...the crappy ones that sit there all day :D it was awesome.
Tomorrow i predict an explosive shit in the AM, and then it's back on the horse...business as usual.
If you are going to eat hotdogs, I recommend you buy Hebrew National or Nathan's hotdogs. Those dogs from a convenience store might just be made with real dog meat or worse.
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yeah, something like that.
the book is just very much more precise as about what to do when and what to avoids etcetc.i think it doesnt get any more precise than the book,apart from the grammar.
chol4life is most curious ;D
One thing people need to remember is that each of us reacts differently to various diets. A diet guide is just that, a guide. One should initially follow it exactly until they know how their body is responding. At this point, adjustments may be in order.
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oh no this one will work on anyone if followed as said.
it will work as sure a a rafale of machinegun bullets would mess ones face up if shot in the face.
i can safely say, if someone doesnt lose fat on this, then hes not human.
I did not mean to suggest that one would not lose fat. If losing fat is your only concern and you aren't concerned with side effects of a particular diet, then it should be fine.
While I cannot offer myself as an example of this theory, I maintain that the healthiest way for a bodybuilder to be in competition condition is to be near there all the time. Bulking and then losing vast amounts of weight will eventually take a toll on most people.
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yeah,simple but not easy.
the best motivation seems to be becoming so out of shape that it leaves deep phsychological impact,ie being shocked at what one sees in mirror.
also, ridicule from others can be useful, but can also totaly break a person.for me ridicule and hate and jealousy i turn into motivational energy.
obviously, if one has had women simply bec theyre so superficial and stupid to have you based on looks, this is kinda addictive feeling.
and for me, the best motivation is seeing ppl becoming fatter and fatter slowly but surely and losing all self confidence.sounds cruel, but its rather a deterrent "i never wanna become like these".
or plain and simple fatsos, i look at them and see a swine in human uniform.
some have the nerve to describe themselves as victims to the food industries, and its akways the same emancipated women with smarrtass attitude who know everything best ::)
a victim is an afghna woman which gets stoned to death bc she forgot to put on a burka, our spoiled western fatso pigs are victims to nothing but own ignorance and greed.
some will say its a psychological thing.hahahahah.ofc it is, everything is somehow a psychological thing.
;D
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Okay, gal, I've taken the time to read through this thread, from page 1 through page 70. First, I owe you an apology. I claimed the thread had been "drifting" from your "first post". Clearly, this isn't true. Your first post was the best, most detailed post on the "diet phase" of your protocol, and some pages later you offered another good post on the "maintenance stage" which I don't remember previously reading at all. Apart from these two posts, there are a lot of other good ones, most before page 25 or so. The problem is, they've become so spaced out it's easy to forget them.
I think you, and especially no one, misinterpreted my posts. It's easy to construe them as hostile, antagonistic, and inflammatory but that wasn't my intention. When I voiced my criticism of the book idea, I wasn't trying to slight you, nor was I implying you had nothing to say. As I went over the thread, I compiled both your and no ones' posts, retaining all which I felt were of use for someone trying to follow your diet plan. Even if they really comprise only a third of what you have to say, there is a lot of repetition (given the nature of the discussion thread format), and, using these facts to gauge the size needed for your booklet, I still believe it would be perfectly practical to post your entire guide in several posts. (Also, I didn't realize how few characters are allowed per post at getbig.) You could start a new thread, reserve the first five or ten posts, and easily put it all in there. I think this would be much more helpful than releasing some PDF booklet, which can't be as easily edited, distributed, amended, or discussed as a forum thread.
As for no one, I never thought or implied I was "doing you a favor". ::) By stating, "I'm one of the few people earnestly trying to follow your program and voice my feedback, yet you act like I'm trying to kidnap your children", I was saying, in other words, I find it odd that you reacted as such to my concerns when your professed goal in posting about this diet is to help people who want to try it. You've been really off-base with your volatile outbursts towards a number of posters in this thread -- not just me. Read peoples' posts more carefully, fly off the handle less.
Here are the posts, for everyone to have for their convenience --
GALENIKO:
ok, here goes:
-first off, no t3, no efedrina, no gh is needed, the best drugs for dieting is sheer willpower, you must be happy and looking forward to become shredded.
-dont be a mentaly weak pussy, dont even ask about cheat meals,just do not, i have been at 5-7% bodyfat for 2+ years in a row.i know perfectly what it takes to do this.
-do not ask any bullshit question about which drug is best for cutting, and fuck if you think tren burns fat you got the wrong mindset and should stop reading right here.its not about drugs, with good diet,any drug will work.even natural it will work.so the drug question is out of the window, any steroid will work.no steroids will work too.one thing is ,if steroids, take only as little as is needed.nobody with less mass than me needs more than hrt, they only need more time.
-if one wants to do this on gear, make sure to be clean before starting, or if one wants to come from a bulk into this, then double the dosage or you will not so very good.this wont produce mass monsters, so spare me the "small" comments, this is about how to get lean.
-dieting fucking sucks, thats why i think the most radical way is best, in order to be done with the dieting business asap.generaly fatloss takes much longer than people wish it would, and the half assed diets with cheat allowances just extend the dieting unecessarily.
your metablism will not slow down, you dont nee to "boost" metabolism with cheat days, you do not need a carb up, stop this bullshit.
-your muscle wont wither away during dieting, its just that ppl wish they had more mass than they really do, the fat fucks are much smaller than they tjhink.yes, you will feel small in clothes, oh yes.as long theres enough protein and you train, the muscle is not going anywhere.
you will be flat some days, but just stay cool.you will think a carb up is necesary to feel fuller.stop this bullshit excuse thinking, salt will make you feel fuller too.its all the mind playing tricks on you.
-naturals will need bit more fat for this diet.maybe 50gramms fat extra per day.50gramms is nothing in your mouth, but alot on calorie scale, dont overdo it, 50 gramms is little.
-cardio yes or no, up to you.not needed, but can acclerate the effect.be active in general, walk alot.
-starting point doesnt matter if youre at 15%,25%,10%.just crash into the diet straight away, no weak minded slowly entering the diet by slowly reducing calories, dont fool yourselves.
muscle loss can happen if one chooses to go under 6%, this cant be denied.but 6% is very extreme lean enough.
-dont even check the scale, all that counts is the mirror.
-dont even count calories, just have the same shit every day.
-3 meals,6 meals, 1 meal, it doesnt matter, do what you like best.never eat when not hungry.
-when hunger comes(dont confuse hunger with apetite, hunger is when stomach is empty and feels like itll implode,apetite is when a disgusting fatso swine feels like eating again).wait out the next meal as long as possible.fight the hunger attacks with water, diet coke, brushing teeth, chewing on coffee beans(very disgusting but great apetite anihilator),cigaretes,whatever.
then eat .then wait again.
-if you have a meltdown and several 1000calories binge, dont worry, shit happens, do a full body workout on that day, each bodypart 2 sets of 50 reps, to make that glycogen go away somewhat.and wait before the next meal until you have shit out every last calorie of that binge.this can take way over 24hrs.be strong,wait it out.then return to normal meals.
-train hard, none of this high rep bullshit.hard doesnt mean heavy.train smart.
-now how much protein.if youre about 200 lbs bodyweight total, have 200-300gramms protein.my proetien sources are tuna, chicken breast, turkey.
it dont matter if its 2 or 3oo you will be hungry as hell anyway all day.
-i hope i dont need to mention that you shouldnt ever drink sugary drinks,drink water, diet coke, put aspartame into water if you like,i do that.helps alot.spare me comments about aspartame being unhealthy, fuck yourself if you just felt an urge to say so.
-how many carbs?what carbs?well,have all carbs from veggies, period.no bread, no pasta,no rice.if you have 100-150gramms carbs from veggies, thatll be good enough to get down to 8% failry quick.if you have 50-10gramms carb from vegiess youll get there faster,to go under 8%, easiest way is to reduce carbs to 0-50gramms a day.
-fats?how many fats?traces.have a whole egg here and there, 1or 2 nuts(not the whole fucking package, not 20 nuts,1 or 2), salmon fish fat.dont do this balonie a spoon of oil.no need to load up on extra fats.just have traces,the body needs them.
obviously on higher carbs days, you reduce rotein and vice versa.
-no cheat days.do you understand?no cheat days.cheat days are for later on ,fomaintenance.
ok this was it for fat loss.ill do later the one for maintancae.
but yeah once shredded, and do cheats meals and start to get fatter, just return to this diet untill shredded again, you be back to shape within days.most important is to get lean once and then never let yourself go too fat again, this way you be lean all year.
if one feels weak and like cheating on diet, go off steroids, your enot doing yourself any favours.
-getting there is the hard part, staying there is easy as shit, relatively.
you wont gain size on this, but thats not the point.later on one can add size by ways of cheat days or meals, so to say short term bulks.
you can listen to advice of anyone you like, but remember the galeniko has been shredded for 2 years straight non stop.not just abs showing throug skn somewhat, but veins all over striated shoulders anytime, etc.in layman terms, i backed up the words with action.
i wanted to add, some days you will feel and be flat, and randomly hold alot of water, just dont worry and carry on.
i also believe that training on empty stomach is best.get up, no breakfast,i never have breakfast,never, go train, wait a bit and then first meal.
the energy levels wont be any different than compared to having breakfast, a meal takes about 10 hours to be metabolized fully and be ready as energy for the body and muscle.
i have my biggest meal right before going to bed.somehow, this makes you wake up full and hungry, seems optimal.
336688, water, well i drink plenty,maybe a gallon daily, but rather to deal with the hunger.its not necesary to drink soo much i think.
deceiver, yeah i know, some powerlifters are lean some are not
oth good point, the strictness thing is necesary for many.i find myself letting way too lose if i allow myself stuff.if i dont even think about it, it works.basically its a thing of willpower,if one really wants it, he will be lean.
its very hard,the mental aspect, going from maintenance or gaining, to fullout diet, i know, its worse than one would believe :D
hahahahah ;D
no serious, a natural can gain muscle while losing fat, but only for short while and under the following circumstances imo:
no training at all for months,ie out of shape
absolute shit diet during that time.
if he gets back training and eats well, it will happen.
other than that, the upcoming maintenance approach ill post later on will be good enough for natural to maybe gain slwly somewhat with focus on staying lean.
bulking id never do as natural, for when dieted back down, youll lok the same again.
not saying natty dont look good when lean btw.
yeah this is very importnant, the initial hunger sensation is just the greedy brain wanting glucose, it really is.
if you drink water and do some activity the hunger will just go away after 30minutes or so.
ok itll furiously come back later on, but if one manages to do this over and over, then hes got it.
ok, last addition as far dieting down goes, dont be affraid to do a total fasting day at times, when i do that, 2 days later i have clearly visible, more cuts everywhere.
now, for the maintenance....
ok, first about how fat one should or should not become, gear users shouldnt go beyond 10% imo, estrogen sides will be an issue, the water retention will make you look like absolute and utter shit, even at 10%, not to mention when even fatter.
and water retention leads to high bloodpressure and that leads to long term severe sides.so yeah, i wouldnt do it.
for natural, dont go over 12%, for 2 reasons, 1 beeing whatever you gain from there, most will be fat anyway, and dieting back down isnt fun and will take a long time.
theres really no need to go higher than these 2 bodyfat levels to gain muscle, muscle come with time, not with bodyfat.
ok now, maintaining 6% is relatively easy, its not much harder than maintaining 15%.ofc youll slowly get fatter, but itll be slowly.
its important to be honest about how fat one becomes, bc the fat comes creeping in layers and youll look "ok" for long time until one day suddenly the abs are just gone.
i simply never go over 8%, bc that way im back to 6 within a week or 2.
once fat enough, i just go back to the above dieting method.
meanwhile, this thing called maintenance is actually something like a bulking phase where basically any diet approach will work.
for example a huge huge binge with no regard to macros or anything, followed by 30hrs fasting then back to clean dieting for 2 days and rinse repeat, this will keep you full of energy, getting bit heavier, but only slow fat gains.
hell one could just even eat whatever he likes until he finds hes too fat and goes back to dieting again.
or eat the same as in diet but with small treats every day.can get with 3 icecreams on top of the diet with no problem whatsoever and itll be kinda quality bulk.
the most important thing is just to get back dieting before too fat again.
i do something between these 3 approaches, finally managed to eat clean with some treats without melting down into a 10k calorie binge, and its the very best way imo.
but still dont stuff yourself, only eat when hungry,k this applies even for this phase.
if one way overeats in this time,ie eating when not hungry all the time, he will destroy the conditioning very quick.
the gains made here as as good as itll get for natural, the steroid user has option to increase dosage, to each his own i guess.
in conclusion, the eating like dieting + couple treats works best for me and has hardly any impact on the conditioning.
how am i to understand this sigh?
its what roughly would happen,10-20lbs pure muscle is alot.
thats basically it.
i mean take out the carbs from veggies and replace with fats and go full keto will work about the same, i just feel better with the veggies.
i see you use similiar motivation tools ;D
"till i feel full"is very vague and can be misleading, your own brain will mislead you to stop way too late.
if i do that, and im not joking, it somethimes ends up being 15k calories in one sitting.
eat slow, drink water inbetween, and stop when feeling kinda filled up.
intermoinent fasting is something i do when i feel im lean enough, but with no regards to macros whatsoever and no time rules, i wait till hunger comes back.sometimes takes 48hrs.depends on how much ive eaten.
its ok for maintenance, but will make one slightly fatter slowly.does for me atleast.
green peas and bananas are soemwhat more filling bc of volume, but theyre totaly overrated bbuilding foods, not much better than having a snickers bar straight up.
100cals doesnt just sound really low, it is.
but what youve done in 14months would have taken way way less time on 1000calories.even if you had a weekly meltdown-diet failure-epic binge.
dont worry about muscle loss.
yeah, i know, but man, the difference itd make as far real lean pure muscle growth is concerned is negligible.
id rather try more volume and keep the joints health instead.itll look about the same pretty much.
and couple missed meals, the night before training session bad sleep, this alone will lead to very random results in strenght.
or if triceps was done the day before chest or shoulder, performance might suffer.
the body and metabolism and life in general are too random to lan on incremental increases.
and to get stronger, theres 2 ways,increasing dosage for gearheads resp getting fatter for natties,
other example, if i had many calories followed by 2 days rest,i can usualy do 30reps bench with 200lbs.
after non resting days maybe 20, after dieting days sometimes as little as 10 reps.
in any case the chest -for me-is neither shrinking nor growing.
strenght is very very relative term, how long under contraction etcetc.
ha, esp for these ppl, this will most likely be the only way to get anywhere.
i dont believe so much in brutal differences of metabolism speeds, its more to do with stomach size, portion sizes of food over long periods of time and general activity leevels over extende periods.
i have seen so called ripped hardgainers, who claim they eat everything and loads, they simply have small stomach and dont even eat much.
ive put one of them on some 5k calories daily for a mere week and he already got softer.
:)
sometimes, a bonbon, some pice with 5gramms of sugars,have initiated a 20k calories binge festival for me
brutal
then, when you notice this wont end well, you try some fat for saturation effect, but it jst fails, the fatty fod will have some salt to it, and this triggers even more.haha ;D
yes, and theres hidden salt in some, to trigger apetite, just like in the small aperitifs.old tricks.
indeed, i cut down on the diet coke alot and that alone has reduced to stomach volume by much.
but stopping eating as soon or just before the stomach feels like itll extend is the sweet spot.
as broscientific it may sounds, eating slow helps alot.
bbuilders who notoriously think they need more fod than they actually do really should consider this, the guts are testimony to this
nah, mustnt suck if its at a satisfying level.
at some point, the smart ones will dcide to maintain what they have, its not like thats easy.
maintaining at high level is great great motivation imo.
i knew other go through this too.
the metallic smell in the morning and the weird feeling on upper part of stomach, this is when the body is in fatloss mode.
i bet this feeling must be an absolute nightmare for permabulers and would make them pass out or puke.
you described this very well, one thing about this metalic taste is, it kinda kills apetite, so even though youre starving, you dont feel like eating.
great post.this metalic feeling comes lng long after just little bit starving
yeah, talking to you about this, its clear that both went through the same exact things and sensations.
i dont know if the fatsos can value how much worth this info is, bc this knowledge doesnt come for free and by itself, this comes from years of experience.if one does 1 cutting diet a year, thatll be couple months of the year gone, and the first couple times newcomers will absolutely fail, for so many reasons:
-they will wrongly think they NEED refeeds, but this will just halt progress and they wont be able to control themselves.good point omn refeed if its lower than maintenance, this is very very importnat.if the refeed is above maintenance, there will be worse conditioning even if one fasts for a day after, when one spills over, some fat gain will happen, the water will be there to but itll go away anyway.
-lack of experience in general
-thinking they need more carbs than they do, or coming from high dosage bulk to same or lower dosage diet is prone to fail
-and so much more, in general a smart bbuilder will learn to "hear out" his body and how it reacts to what.
yes, conditioning the portion sizes will make the waist tighter , the stomach smaller and the ability to overeat will be more or less gone,cycle is the perfect term youve used, and i agree about the refeed, which btw imo needs to be from the worst fats and sugars, and very little protein, a clean refeed of "long" carbs and protein will do fuck all.
yes during hard diet times, the body will simply store water under the skin, from something like 2 bare chicken breasts with nothing on it, its totally random and nobody in the world can control this, but always goes away.
in this precise moment, where everything seems to make you look like shit and flat, you WILL think your muscle is fading away, but IT IS NOT, its just flat.in this moment many think the refeed is necesary, but its not, just stay focussed and carry on.
the only thing about conditioning that seems consistent for me is when i drink a gallon of water today,but none tomorow,on the 3rd day the skin will look transparent if lean enough.those are the days where i take pics and post them there, its all planned ;D ;D
i have sometimes posted pics from the watery and flat day and was suprised how small i looked haha, but then the next day i found that person in the pic looks much bigger than i am, but its me.
and this has nothing to do with carb loading, its clearly a water issue.
ok another thing ive figured out, if i wanna look good the next day, i just have some 100calories of trash food before going to bed and then in the morning i dont drink water, this always leads to than full, lean look.for me atleast, dont know if this is individual or applies to everyone.
the willpower is everything in this, this is why i so deeply hate and despise the lazy fatsos who approach me and ask if theres that magic fatloss pill.
they are in need of so much learning, it leaves me with nothing but facepalms over their naivity and lazyness and wanting an easy way out when there is none.
you know, when i seen hamdi aykutlug the first time, i was young guy, i was soo shocked and amazed how lean he was, but i didnt blow it by asking him which diuretic he uses and how much this or that(everyone would talk about it and put out rumours).i asked him"what in the hell are you eating,whats your diet".he took his valueable time for me and we sat down and he explained stuff to me.
being smart instead of the pretend to be smart attitude"its all drugs", theres a huge difference.
yeah we both said before, if someone takes huge,abuse-level dosages when young and fresh in the training, he will benefit from this many years later still, even if he stops training for years and then comes back.that time when young and absolutly jacked on gear elevates the natural limits, something definitely happens.
this still doesnt make it "all drugs", a real quality physique takes years,years and much knowledge.
the pros might be dumb, but no so dumb to just rely on "its all drugs", they know full well what theyre doing.
the insulin and gh guts come bc they lose their sense for reality, just like cswol.on another level, but same thing.
cheers man, absolute pleasure talking to you 8)
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oh yes, if one is just even having thoughts about cheat day or small treats before this, he will fail.best to not even start.
they will also fail at any diet they try, for its testimony of lack of willpower.
i tell ppl protein, 150g carbs daily and bit fats will get them to 8%, which is true but itll take twice as lng as compared to go full out on the diet.
and if they have 150g carbs a day, theres no room for cheat days nor cheat meal, or itll simply take forever.
ppl severly underestimate how much a cheat meal can put one back.
theres not even a need to ask can i have this or that, all the food choices are outlined and very clear, this means, nothing else but that.
god damnm this permabulking advice and cheat meals advice from the mags has done some serious damage.
arnold and company dieted on 1000calories.they didnt have no much broscience articles and much theory talk, they figured out the low calorie secret,lol , and they know protein does them good.
no bread means no bread, etc.
ppl dont get it, once lean enough, the maintenance will seem like a joke, this is when one gets rewarded, the dieting,any fatloss diet will be not fun.
if its fun, there wont be results
if they wanna get cut with treats, they will most likely fail, just based on the fact itll take longer.
hell,i starte this at what,20% bodyfat, and i didnt waste a single thought about any cheat whatsoever before i got down to 10%.
it was 2 months of literaly nothing but chickenbreast and salad.no dressing.and when i say nothing but that,i really mean nothing but that.
9 out of 10 are mentally too weal to hold through.
have a frend he knows exactly how is done, but he "has" to have mcdonalds chicken wrap couple times a week("this wont hurt will it"),and then wonders why the last fat rolls just wont go away.
its not even suffering, thats the wrong term, the best way to describe the mental approach is to cut the bullshit and stop any excuses until at the goal.
full agreement on everything.
this is why you know when someone says they need some carbs,that they dont know what the hell theyre talking about.
long long term caloric deficit is the key, the more extreme the better, only then will a big meal(yeah i dont like cheatmeal or refeed terms either, theyre indeed stupid)be benefical.
good point on the sugar, only after a while on this you realize how bad sugar is, i react to sugar very badly too, it messes up so many things i wouldnt know where to start the listing.
the magical point seems to be somewhere at 8% fat or so, where suddenly the estrogen issues go away, and every day you see a new detail and vein popping out somewhere, this in exchange keeps you motivated to go through this "horrible" time.you know youre on track and very close to the goal.
this is when even the slightest bit of veggie carbs give you painfull pumps and vascularity.this is the other side of the world to the world where ppl say they need carbs to feel full,even though theyre sitting at an obese 15%
and even if already at this point, there will be many ways to ruin it all, after this point,one has to know exactly how to adapt short term to things.overtraining becomes an issue, can get fevery suddenly etc.
and after all this, yeah i can get away with eating 2 gallons icecream at once, but i know exactly when and why i can get away with it.
yup, the info is now out there, all colected in one thread, i think everything is very clear, the drugs or choice of them are secondary, pct talk, anti estrogen talk is not needed,if one has to talk about those, hes far from ready, i wont even go there.
and for the one who say im too small for their liking, and they want more, well, you geniusses, figure out for yourselves how to do that, and "noone" is quite bigger than me and he has the very same views on this, so yeah, good luck :)
these could have been my words, bc that is exactly how i think too.
i mean, once youre through, i do get away with more bad foods than i want.
and the fast results are the most motivating thing there is,i can see daily changes, the skin looks like its glued to the muscle and tighter every day etc etc.
ppl here say im in great shape year round, but whats more important,they say they never seen anyone loosing fat so quick,im very proud of that.
and who can deny that if you know youll be at romes gates in 3 weeks , rather than in 12weeks,isnt a psychological advantage?
diet is diet, the extra calories for those who think they need them(while still being in deficit ofc)will not saturate them,let alone satisfy, during a successful diet, youre simply not saturated, youll be hungry most of the time anyway.
its personal prefernece, just like some rather starve more instead of doing cardio, while others do cardio but allow themselves bit more food.
i know 1 guy who diets on 300gramms carbs daily, and yeah, he comes shredded in the end, but damn, his dieting takes him 16weeks, starting somewhere at just under 10%.
for those who rather have more calories, you can believe me, itll take much longer than calculated to get to rome, the calculations you can throw out of the window, theyre vague mathematics , the reality looks different, the body will slow down metabolism a bit, and towards the end, you will be eating almost nothing too :D
now the fears of muscle loss theory, i find it odd that people think theyll lose muscle on very low calories, what makes them think theyll lose more muscle in a short brutal deficit, rather than in an extended but less brutal deficit? :D
i clearly remember ronnie colemans words, hed lose muscle if he diets for too long.think about this.
the fear of losing muscle is , stupid, even permabulkers fear losing muscle,even though theyre in perrmanent brutal caloric surplus.
oh yes, thats the goal, to make some ppl atleast try to get in shape, encouragement.
but yeah seeing as how clueless many or of diet, the fuel of all this, i dont even bother discussing training, but i do something similiar to you, little rest, high volume and heavy enough training, this is very good sentence" if it feels heavy,it is".
while permafatsos overeat in order to have "stronger" lifts, they miss out on the real training.
who cares what anyone can bench, after 10 days of almost no carbs and low bodyfat, and if done fly chest movements, nobody wil bench much.
besides it s all the ability to flex properly,under just the right load.
training is going fantastic and yea, this is my goal, to still look something like now at your age.not size, hell i could live with 10lbs less size.but no less than that ;D
ha, yeah , it looks kinda light when i train, but i do squats with say 3 plates all the way down very slowly ,then afterwards i run straight to the legpress, then straight hamstring curls, then quad curl machine or what its called.
everyone who would run their mouth and tried to hang would just gass out very quickly.
some strong guys eh ;D
when theres no resting between sets, everything feels heavy, and i got to say,this considered,im kinda strong, and its not like just bc those lifts will be lighter, that you have lost strenght.
its just that strenght is a very vague and relative term.i see you got that down.
exactly, neither do they ask me whether i am on dips machine or do free bodyweight dips.
you know, milos sarcev is quickly labeled drug addict etcetc, from ppl who dont know him, but the guy knows exactly how to train and was way ahead of his time when he outlined the muscle mind connetion thing.
bc thats all it comes down to, constasnt tension on fibers.
now on top of that,one should use just enough weight to not crush his joints and tendons over long term and thats it.
how many reps, sets, all irrelevant, train until theres epic pump and go home.
if you dont get a pump theres something wrong with your form and-or diet.
same here, same story.then one takes more gear in order to become stronger, thinkng strenght is the key.
its not.ok some strenght foundation better be there, but yeah.
i use 25lbs dumbells for curls.can use to 70s and make it look like legit lift, but its all cheating and lying to yourself.
man thats not the point, i have seen many wealthy ppl with problematic addiction.
my point is, being a slave to alc addiction is ridiculous,its pathetic, you werent given life for such a miserable existence.think about it.
wes did.
for me itd be the same, would be at 8% roughly with those carbs, always full etc, but id slightly get fatter slowly.
8% is where i start to diet a bit again, and to go lower than that, i totally have to go lower on carbs.
even if i use too much fats, itll be no good,
btw, the deflation thing is just temporary, sucks ,i know, but goes away.
the very best if one can actually do it, for me, when already lean,all protein and randomly once a day some 200cals of shit food,which is very little, but it helps.but too much of it and it will be counterproductive, walking a thin line :D
and yeah instead of doing 300gr carbs daily, i rather do low carb and then once a week go full out, this causes less damage,as far fatloss is concerned.
thanks man, but this will not work every time,only every couple days or so.
i actually do that at times for a day.have a fish only day.sometimes all tuna sometimes all aspergus or whats the name.
or shrimps only day.those are harsh :D
yeah something like that.sometimes i have 150g protein, sometimes 300.
fats hm, very little, traces, whats in 2 nuts and veggies and maybe 1 small piece of cheese, like 10gramms cheese.the carbs arent exactly 0, in 3lbs of vegs there will be roughly 100gramms carbs, but yeah those i keep between 30-100grmms.
when i go to total 0 carbs, i just eat 200gramms salmon that day, that has some fats.oh yeah and 1 or 2 whole eggs i do eat every day no matter what,just bc i like it.
and little bit moustard on everything.
and some days i do hollow out the end of a bread piece,so only the crust is left and stuff that with tuna.thats some 30gramms of carbs,and with moustard on it,its quite enjoyable meal.kinda like mini cheat.
but yeah, thats really all the choice of foods that ill touch when dieting.
its not even the hunger, its there anyway, but its the knowing that all the next meals are gonna be bone dry tuna with nothing else ;D
i assue you tell them to eat the watersalt tuna, not the one in oil?the one in oil is excellent cheat meal compared to the pale pale water tuna ;D
yes the want must be bigger than the complaining about suffering.then itll work.
the attitude "i just wanna lose bit weight,lets see", that one is gonna fail
nah man, natty youll start wasting away later than at 10%.sub 7% natural will waste away and not much left.
as for the point on losing muscle, its just not possible to lose a substantial amount of muscle while ppl train and eat enough protein, esp on gear,it simply will not happen.
natural will lose a bit at sub 7%,oh well.will be flat like cow turd ;D
now, there is indeed one point , if a permabulker who is always on calorie excess and on say 1 gramm gear or more weekly , starts dieting like this on the same amount of gear, or less, yeah he will waste away and the whole deal wont go too well.
but nobody should be permabulking in the first place, permabulking should be reserved for the very first year of training, during this time one should learn the movement, what is intensity, the mind muscle connetion(yeah some clowns laugh about this mind muscle connection things and say how some pros train with bad form and it must be all drugs.no these pros know exactly what theyre doing, rest assured their muscle is under ful contraction at any time,it just may look odd.dont make yourself look stupid, they know exactly what they do)and carelessly eat whatever icomes in their way.if this is done once in a life, it wil never be necesary again.
so yeah the permabulkers who decide to go dieting they should best come off of everything(no hrt,no bridge,no nothing)and then restart ,coming in fresh and ready.or something like double the dosage,which is neither smart nor necsarry.
yes, i know.the mental attitude required is to look forward to a meal thats basicaly dry chicken breasts with nothing on them.
yesterday was very ripped, but started having cramps actually, so yeah i had something like maintenance calories from junkfood exclusive, felt better immediately, spilled over a slight bit, but its all good was def necesary.
im more natural than layne norton :)
i dont like talking about cycles.but my views are widely knows here, i dont like ugls, i dont think gymrat needs gh, i think doing insulin is straight up retarded, and im against high doses, for ppl overestimate how much they need.
someone whos built a solid physique will be able to maintain almost all of it with a fraction of what he used to do use before.
and most importantly, with such diet, the choice of gear wont even matter.can do this on the supposed bloaty stuff like dbol and deca and itll work all the same.
its counterproductive overall.
too much negatives compared to the positives, its for fatsos who dont have the willpower for diet and only get lean once in a while, to be ripped year round, this attitude wont work.
it kills sleep, you sweat on it like some fatso, and when the effect is gone, theres a tendency to binge on shit foods.
it puts strain on the heart, no need to do that.
besides, the fatburning effect is minimal, i mean were talking few % difference in metabolic rate, the effect of it on getting lean is bc it shuts down apetite for so long, i can do that without efedrine ,all by myself.
ukjeff has a point, might aswell do cocaine for dieting, this is exagerated example, but yeah, its the same direction.
besides that, efedrina shows up as amphetamine in the drivers drug testing and in this nation this will lead to most severe consequences.
here, abs today this isnt even flexed, this is just sucked in stomach look the deepness between ab lines :D
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i agree with adam, natural will need a bit more carbs to spare some muscle and bit fats to allow natural test production, going entirely only protein will not end good, but i said so from the start.
wouldnt go below 1000cals on any day as natty.something like 1000-1500cals minimum.
this is another difference, where gear user will get away with,but natty wont.
the gear user can even literally do fasting days with no food at all and will only benefit.
heres video of today(click), felt horrible and flat and all the bad things from dieting, but it looks very lean so all good 8)
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yes no doubt it is, but im sure he never used it ;D
chicirello also is spotting the ils , even though theres no lats there,all fat.
:D
yah, after "big" meal the body feels like its burning from inside and some heavy sweating will happen.
agreed 24-30hrs fast after such meal i for myself consider that mandatory, it leaves the muscles full for 2 or 3 trainings, even if i eat barely anything these days.
and i agree that meals seems to "clean" up some stubborn fats, its not just looking fuller, its also leaner no doubt, as long it isnt too excessive in calories and as long i dont drink much water.some fat is simply gone the next day.
of if the calories of this meal are double the daily need, one will be full too, but def spill over a bit and gain little bit fat.and itll take some time to empty the glycogen afterwards, ie. longer time to return to fatburn state.
as long as possible fast , small meals,until you spill over even from chocken breast,haha, and then even a small calorie increase will re start things.
natural def some extra fat is needed, and bit carbs wont hurt, due to higher calories therefore,it might take some longer, but natty can decrease protein a bit.
hm ive worked in physicaly hard jobs, not worked at all and in physicaly easy jobs, its always the same, eating clean food when the hunger isnt bearable anymore, just more or less calories.
the temporary effects of cutting out the carbs will go away, but until it does it will feel very uncomfortable.
here is another thing that needs adressing.
lol.
alc is a no go for dieting.
how many ppl have you seen who seem to diet strict but they drink alc and dont lose any weight watsoever?
exactly.
look, alcohol is fermented sugar, it has shitloads of empty calories, so obviously theres no place for alc in such a diet.no place at all.not one glass of wine each eevening before bedtime,not the daily beer after work, none of this nonsense.
its better to have a chocolate bar once in a while instead lol.
while the body is metabolizing alc, it cant even lose fat, its as simple as that.
and for whos on gear, alc and gear combo is asking for cirrhosis eventually, and alc raises estrogen levels in you, i think i dont need to explain why that would be bad.
have alc when youre done dieting and pretend to do that all the time and get away with the shredded body, sdont be the fatso holding beverage in hand hoping to be shredded some day.
ah,no problem man, i can see that point.but the potential muscle loss below 6% can be fixed by upping the steroid dosage, i know, neither are long term solutions obviously.say, some halo will make sure the workouts are intense.
but yeah efedrine is most likely the best fatburner and it also somehow reduces the subcutane water, i merely pointed out the bad sides of it.
mind you the only reason i dont take it is the legal issues ;D
the top left guy is in the 3%s, the alleged 6-7 is in the 3-5s
there should be one for 8%, the 10% looks rather 8-10
that 15 is fatter than 15 id say.
the 20% could be leaner, 25% and up dowsnt even matter but looks accurqte.
the 6% and 10% are off, that 6-7% guy is competition shredded.that could even be high 3S.
the 10-12% guy is just a bad example, very hard to tell.
sounds good and promising :D
agreed, i could literally, and i mean this, eat whatever i want all day every day and id be under 10%.
10% is simply fat any bbuilder over 10% has no idea about diet whatsoever, or hes just recently restarted training.
to have a goal like "getting to 10%" says everything really, this would be a goal for fitness girl to get in somewhat shape for summer.
10% all lines will be blurred,hardly any cuts etcetc.bloofy.
ukjeff, clean and eats whatever he wants, and trains pretty much very easy and light, stays under 10% at age 47.
hell and id even go as far and say its still kinda stupid to get down to 10% for fatsos on "easy" or lenient diets, the body is filled with estrogen and it takes forever to clean out all the salty foods and the bad fats etcetc.
as for energy levels, i had to come down from roughly 20% myself when i restarted training, and until i got into single digits and ate pretty much nothing but protein, there was never shortage of energy.hell i plyed tennis as cardio next to training with weight.how would that be possible without energy.
as long the body has plenty fat deposits, there wont be harsh energy crashes.
yes,excellent posts
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but being "on" mentaly doesnt require one or two beers does it ;D
nah ,low coarbs can make you feel like in the twilight zone mentaly, theres no denying that
nah its consistent.
1 dont worry about muscle loss, this will only happen if one goes way under 6%, if at all.
2 the calories are so low, that theres really only place for protein, and traces fats and carbs.
3 yes, only ever when hungry, and fast as long as possible before going insane from hunger bangs.
this is the very fastest way.
the rest are additions and will prolongue this whole thing.
ofc it is importnant, it really takes nothing but to do whats suggested by me and noone if one is at 6-7% afrom the getgo
2-3weeks with no cheat days and bom everything shredded.
btw, that was my point about the water manipulation, read between the lines why i wont go there ;)
its not good for the kdney and such :D
yes ofc you can eat more to maintain compared to losing fat.
the condition above can be maintained easy as long one rule is followed, the wait out hunger, then you get away with eating anything.
but that one rule has to be followed.its not easy, just loads esier compared to the fatloss part.
is it worth it?
hell yeah walking round like that year round is worth it.
matt "sloteyes" yogurt or whats his name ,yeah he gets lean onc in a while and then look like utter fatso soon after.
or layne nortern, how many weeks out a year he looks any good?5?
"Noone" and myself hold this kind of conditioning year round.
not even operation could stop me, all willpower, hell, not even a broke finger stops me, i have one broken finger on right hand :D
yes, a body when very very lean becomes a perfect machine, it uses the energy and foods perfectly.
while when fat, its plain and simply a huge mess.nothing works well, the pumps, the recovery, the metabolism, everything sucks.
so many fatsos out there who think they need this and that food and amount of cals, who never been ripped and dont know how much day and night difference it is.
theyd be laughing at their own claims if they knew.
yes, adam, everything goes so much better, its not drugs that cause that, its the diet itself,the body will explode and fully use the slightest carbs and even the worst sugars and fats.but only then.
the pumps are literaly dramatic,and yea the fatsos-im not joking-are confusing their milehigh bloodpressure from the salty foods with a pump.
oh and yes the muscle mind connection, ppl laugh that off, but they dont have the slightest idea how essential this is.
yes the magic point seems to be lower than 10% somewhere, then it more than gradually gets better.exponentionally.
at 10% i feel ok, but its day and night to when at 6%.
see, i can do that in 2months.
i dont get how and why ppl cannot get over hunger-bangs, when they start for me,when the pains kick in, i laugh it off and know now is fatburning mode,keeps me motivated,and tell to the hunger "bring it on".
no need for any maths, when the stomach almost cramps,nextmeal.
thank you very much, see we get to agree on it.
you made an very important observation,no matter what, the body will have to be in pretty much permanent starving state most of the time, theres no easy way around, and too big meals ortoo much calorie dense foods or too much calories period simply stall the process, but if one avoids that,it kinda flows by itself,just have to remain mentaly calm.
and would you agree that esptowards the end,6% and lower, itbecomes hell either way.
fair enough if youre going for more size cool, i dont ,am happy with what i got, plus minus the couple lbs i gain when im not dieting.i find it very hard to get back to shredded,so i rather stay right around that conditioning at any time, most ppl have very hard time to get shredded,thats why most onlypull it off once a year or every other year or maybe even just once in lifetime.
i dont like giving it away afterwards quickly, and its not like one cant eat the most tasty things out there once hes there :D
yes, if one does this natty,he will have a bad time and look absolutely faded away at the end.natural this must be done with couple 100calories from fat daily,and yes, some carbs.
you know, ill admit, even for myself, when im having my huge meals and am jst maintaining or gaining bit size, going back to this regiment is horrible, takes so much mental strenght, takes entering a whole different zone of thinking.
but after couple days, im in and its like nothing.
my friend who has only now restarted training and has been on most terrible diet habbits for years, has quitold eatinghabbits cold turkey and started this, with no problems whatsoeevr, but hes driven by shame about how bad out of shape he got.hes evenmore strict than me, and i think i need not mention hes got greaqt results so far.
hes down some 15lbs in 2-3 weeks.ok half of that willbe water.
now,now.holdon.
im browsing through this threadfrom thebegining,didnt even readall yet, will adresssome things.
i have looked into scientific studies and started athread,and the above does matter.
an example, eating 100gramms of protein or cheese will cause 3 times less insulin release compared to100 gramms carbs from bread.
this is significant, esp considering how when bloodsugar levels go up and down make one tend to binge.
with this diet you have to enter a zone and theres no room for volatile blodsugar levels-spikes
yah, what is known as processed food, lets just say theres no room for any such in this diet.
this diet reqiures the proper nutritious energy needed, or it will simply fail.
nothing halts fatburning as badly as those processed shit foods,while giving you fuck all energy.
takes a while for the body to clean up the mess such food causes.
sugars with saturated fats in the same meal for diet?good luck with that.
nah this wont happento men who train seriously.
the metabolism downgrading fairytale is severly overrated.
ppl are so afraid of losing their muscle,theyll believe any excuse.
has anyone tried deliberately to lose muscle?
i did, tried to get smaller legs, it doesnt work.
only not training for very long yeah then one will lose muscle.
infact he wont even lose it then, its just less cellvolume and water in them and less glycogen.this i learned at very young from nobody less than a multiple world bbuilding champion.
thats why some when they had muscle seemingly get into shapeagain so quick.
remember the fatleniko pics?my arms there were bigger on the tape than theyre now.and i wasnt anywhere near a gym for4 years in that pic.
ofc my gut was twice the size itsnow,so those armsdidnt look sohuge :-X
i dont seeno reason to ever count calories.
when one has learnedto feel out his bodys needs, theres no need for that.
also, not everyday is same activity wise andmetabolism wise.
fully agreed with you,as usual
ok, seen the vid and pics above?
now look what you can get away with when so lean, and youll see ill maintain this condition for however long i please.
this is what ive eaten yesterday,i could take pics of the empty packagings but i think theres no need(who dont believe will say thats just the packagings etc):
ok here goes:
-500gramms chicken breast, 2lbs veggies total of 800cals
-2 lbs of caramel soft icecream 1300cals
-10 various chocolate bars,each 300cals,thats 3300cals
-those above chocolate bars have been eaten with 2lbsof bread on which ive put extra butter, no idea how many calories that is
-1pizza 1000cals
-sausages(2) with bread and mayo and ketchup. and 2 chinese spring rolls,thatll be at very least 500cals
-10 various icecreams of average 300cal each, thatll be another 3000cals.
thats it , i wonder if the other diets allow such meals, yes that was 1 meal.
thats roughly 10k calories.
and i can do this in some frequency that boggles the mind and stay in this shape ,as long i follow some rules.
i dont need "couple few carbs daily"to feel good blabla.i rather have whatever i want and as much as i want,rather than some carbs or fats, restricting myself for half a year to lose couple lbs of fat and maybe permanenetly damage thyroid with t3, or do mindless hours of cardio.
some people dont seem to know why pros use carbs in their diets, its certainly fuck all to do with feeling better.
hope this helps.
now, if one does the above while not being very very lean, he will end up obese,plain and simple.
the catch is to get shredded first,then comes the reward.
now do the math, competitive bodybuilder will look like soft bloated bag of shit for most of the time, i will look lean all year, and i will be getting away with eating more of the most reckless foods called junkfoods etc.if i want to eat that.
ofc he will be big.....in clothes hahahaha ;D
oh and btw that meal , you can be damn sure it will give any nutritiens needed to repair and grow muscle ;D
hm, random.
what i never do is those "trainings" where one does a "heavy"(oh brother)set followed by 5minutes of hard breath in their own fatso sweat.
yea,kinda high volume, and very much focussing on the movement.
the videos kinda give idea about the intensity and the proper form used,i think it can be educational to many whom i suspect are rather swinging around some weights in the gym.
when so shredded and looking like anatomy chart, the useful thing is,one can observe how themuscle works(fatso have to take blind guess), this is very helpfull,im not even joking.
form over poundage, the "strong" lifters can kiss my ass haha, what they gonna do with their "strenght"?lift cars in the streets?
haha ;D
isnt it amazing.
science says theres only room for 3-4lbs food in the stomach, but ofc the gut isntjust stomach.
but one wouldnt think thisd be possible,and my waist is very small and tight.
no gut, thats another thing positive.i mean if one has the gut,imho, they better stop training altogether.
today,the day after that meal, my stomach looked the same ecat way like in the vid of 2 days ago.tight,sucked in,shredded.
ofc, i have a structure which doesnt tend to develop a gut,long torso, but thats not so important.
oh yeah, and i never,ever train abs, just incase anyone was wondering.
thx man, feeling humbled, the pics arent current though, but the back is even leaner now,id say.will take pics asap.
calipers read low 5s btw.
2-4 weeks, depends.
its possible within2weeks.but it depends on so many things.
if hes been eating trash before he starts, that alone puts couple days into the equation.
ppl underestimate how long it takes for a body to get rid of shit foods, they severly underestimate it.and the effects of insulin after bad foods,and the bloodsugar levels.
esp for bbuilding, shit food(is ok if you know when and how),is the absolute worst thing one could imagine, it causes an absolute mess, esp if its consecutive meals.
to state the extreme, try starting a diet with a pure fasting day,or with a pure binge eating day.
the difference as to when fatloss will start is brutal.
yeah,i dont even think of weight or %, i just stay focuseed.
1 meal.hunger period.next meal.train, next day etcetc.
i feel the scientifical calculations are off btw.it simply doesnt work like they claim, its just the best guess.
fatloss dont work the same at different fatness levels.it become gradually harder.
i mean, according to science, if i eat nothing for 1-2weeks,id be 0% bodyfat ;D
just an exxagerated example.
and theres always water loss going along with fatloss, so watching the weight will be misleading.sometimes im 5lbs heavier than the previous day and ate almost nothing.
even the mirror can be misleading
yes, most brutal error ive learned in all those years is this one:
dieting hard.then, suddenly, one day the body looks like absolute shit, veins instead of popping out turn INWARDS haha,and quite thick layer of water under the skin and anxiety feeling etc.flexing,nothing happens, no pump no nothing.
then came the error, thinking i need refeed of carbs or something.oh brother, this wouldnt fix anything,made everything even worse.
sometimes the body does such crazy things.
the answer to this is carry on as usual.even the pros mess their shape up with last minute shenanigans like water manipulation or refeed stuff.
when the best pros cant dial in for sure, its reasonable to assume i wouldnt know a quick solution either.
the carb up panic reaction was always the biggest error,though.
im finding that, the amount of muscle thatll finaly sit on the bones, is more to do with how much peds are used than anything else.
you know, when dieted down to this level,where it shows whats left.
now, i can grow some with slight adjustments on the diet, a bit, while staying 6%, but thatll be amere few lbs.i know this sounds arrogant or even delusional, but i think im maxed out as far size goes.yea i could get 1inch on arms, but i dont want under any circumstances my waist to grow the slightest bit.
so yeah the maintenance of the condition, which ill write out precisely in the book(rather than being asked here on the next page again)alows some bit growth.
but i already have the size i want anyway, it must be said that growing big from nothing at that bodyfat will not be satisfying,or even possible.
unless one was on peds before, and is returning to training ofc.
but yeah some growth goes, if id allow myself to go 10% bodyfat,itd be much growth, even 8% would be ok, but i dont even want any size, and i dont like dieting the fat off, from 8% up the body is an estrogenic mess, but below 8% on this, i see daily and i mean daily changes.
yes, experiencing the same exact thing.
and i was asked back in this thread if i think its ketosis, which i dont think it is, its going further than ketosis, and cant be ketosis as per scintific defintion,esp as i give myself some few carbs.
it something between glucogenesis and ketosis i said, now i dont know the term or if it even exists, but itsa point where suddenly the body feels like its loaded with electricity.
same here , woke up early, no breakfast, went to the beach, swimming, writing on the book, then to the gym where i had severe,painfull pumps,excellent workout in 30 degrees celsius heat,and i left the gym only bc i had to go to work,i felt like i could do another hour of training.
and the job is physicaly demanding.and keep in mind im already as lean as it gets,im walking around with striated quads etc.
and on the other hand,i toldnoone in pms, after my calorie reload big meal, the workouts were worse and the pumps poor,so was general feeling, until THAT feeling of special state came back.it makes you feel asif the body sucks in and glues the skin to the muscle.
i keep telling the people, their lethargy comes from not being over the edge properly.
the brain works in magic ways, when not burning fat it makes you think you need way more food than you really need,meanwhile, the fat layers are creeping slowly into existance.
the first few days, alright, until you get into it, they are horrific, thats true.
oh and i forgot, i cant remember when i had the last day off training.
i should be severly and utterly overtrained, yet i do daily very high volume trainings.
by very high volume i mean just arms i do 40 sets+.
sleeping no more than 6hrs daily.
waking up fresh like newly born.
noone, i think i have a term for that state.
lets call it "survival mode" state.
i find this is a good description.
maybe its plain and simple starvation state.
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yah, some philospoh once said a day without laughing is a lost day.
i find a day without training isa lost day.
some fools will think theyre overtrained bc they cant bench 5 lbs more next training with their 2 buddies helping him onthemovement, duh,theres a way around that.thosepeople-dj 181 comes to mind- basicaly need a bbuilding training lobotomy and start from scratch.
yeah my kind of "cardio" is special, i dont like mindlessly beeing on stationary bike, i do something else.
not that cardio is needed with this programma :D
me too, but dorian is very vague at times with his statements, and this abviously isnt ant good for people who take insulin.
and theres other things that pros do,which wouldnt agree much with this diet, im writing it down.
however, you know from who this advice originated, he mustnt be shy to compere himself to anyone as far leannes goes :D
yeah, you got it.
overtraining does exist, but most are confused to about what it is.
feel thin and weak and flat muscles happens with any diet, happens whenever one loses weight, its just till one gets used to it.
comeon, even when permabulking, are you to tell me you feel full and like powerhouse 247 ???
always same, tuna, chicken turkey, salmon and the daily small piece of bread crust :D and 1 egg.1 egg i always have no matter what.
so yeah, its all protein with traces of cabrs and fats, really,traces.
and i put whatis called?moustard?bit of that on the meals, so it doesnt taste like cardboard
eating 3 times a day, im not counting anything calories, but i know withouit counting what it is aproximately,and from experience, i dont need count anything i know how much it is by looking at it.roughly.
and the counting isnt the point, its soooo much under maintanence that beiing off by 100cals or so doesnt even matter.
also i dont really schedule meals.i eat the same bc it works, and its very simple to collect the portion the day before,its practical.
i dont know, but i have always had issues with orals, so if i used them,i would just have them as pre workout boosters.
that sure worked.
ah so, good all these little questions are already covered in the booklet :D
with one main thing that most dont get, from a certain bodyfat level and above, the compound matter very little, from bbuilding aspect pov 12%+ obeseity,nothing matters, nothing but getting lean should matter, 12%+is unacceptable.for various reasons.
and yes bob chicirelo was valueable poster, but was shoted down with the naive"all drugs" mantra.
this is already covered,as im posting this.
drugs are indeed the finishing touch, if anyone uses them for other purpses,he better rethink his plans.
man, PEOPEL, the 200 gramms protein daily are mandatory on this, dont you understand.
you get fuck all other calories, you absolutely need that protein.
thats the whole point of this.
also, eating when not hungry is the biggest mistake, and protein shakes inbetween ,they shouldnt be there.
as for the dramaticweight losses with little fatloss at the beginning, this is the body going into fatburning state slwoly but definitely, the first couple lbs are water youre pissing out.
this is what i meant when i said the body needs quite some time to clean out from the junk foods, the water loss is the result of that process.
nah comeon, 200 ,or if one weighs less than me,maybe 170gramms is easy.
look, 5 chickenbreast a day are already 100gramms, 5 chicken breasts are nothing are they?i could eat that all at once as aperitif :D
then 100gramms of shrimps,the small sea things, is another 20gramms.
then 1 can of tuna has 35 gramms , a whole egg has 6gramms.
thats already 160gramms and thats very little food for a whole day.one can top up the rest with protein shake or have less chicken and more protein shake.
theres also those dryied red meats out there where 100gramms of it have 40gramms protein, but thats very expensive meat.
the only "problem" with this is i kinda have to prepare couple lbs of chicken or turkey always upfront.and then warm it upa bit.mcooking every portion would be too time consuming.
i finding downing hte protein is the easiest part of this diet,the getting over the hunger is the hardest,kinda.
yeah, all the other diets are lets say misleading and anything resembling an average guys diet has to be totaly eradicated from the brain, the good part comes forthepatient ones when youre through.
and for those on gear, make sure to be clean for couple weeks before startingthis, or make sure to increase the dosage.
but go cleanand then restart gear would be absolute best.
i think i musnt explain why coming from a gramm weekly and 3-4k calories into thisdiet will not work particularly good ;D
and naturalos, add more fats to this,can have bit less protein, but add 50gramm fat a day and bit carbs.the natural will absolutely need the fats, he will have more calories per day, thats how it is, and bit slower results.
the book will leave no questions open-unanswered.
but 1 thing is for sure, theres no option to drifts off and have leniency,one has to stick to the programm at any time or this leads to failure.
its not that hard , cheat meals are allowed etc.
but yeah if one doesnt stick to it fully-i know bc i did the errors myself-then it all goes down the toilet.
the wasting muscle thing is adressed fully in the book.dont be affraid of that.
of if youre only gonna eat traces protein and no claories, you may kiss your muscles good bye, but even then itd be hard.
example, go off training for a whole week and have no protein at all, and see if youll lose muscle.you will not.
the ppl are just horrified when they piss bit water out and mlet some fat how they feelsmaller in clothes.
has nothing to do with muscle, when one is not lean, there are thick thcik layers of water and fat between muscle and skin.
just to get back at this, it also depends on speed and how deep the contraction and flexing is during execrise.
i flex as hard as possible all the way negative and ositive part of movement perfect contraction, who doesnt understand this dont even deserve a gym membership.
but yeah, if its just about pulling number, hell 25 is nothing.
and either way,with such a back, i wouldnt even care if i couldnt deadlift 1 plate each side.
the back speaks very much for itself i think :)
i just have the biggest meal before going to sleep, this way i get hungry sometime in the night, but sleep through.
so much for the dont eat before bedtime broscience.
the good thing, with this shredded look i mustnt explain what is wrong and why, what i do and did is simply obviously the right way.
yes dont ovethink stuff, keep everything simple.
dont think about gyno and hairloss and all,if you do, better to seek other hobby.
one example is ppl shouldnt even think once about choice of peds before they reach 6%.
they sit there in their fat corpses and daydreamhow tren will be the best thing for them,when they should just stop thinking,stfu,and train like animals until 6%.
THEN we can talk peds.
surely it hasnt escaped your attention that i never posted again in steroid section,bc its a joke to argue with ppl whoneverposteda pic and obvious drugpushers advicing newcomers to do cycles i wouldnt reccomend to my worst enemies.
its an absolute joke if someone whos over 10% has to think what ped he should take.
or how much.leaves me to question if they have any sense for reality.
and the joke goes further than that, the predictable what about gyno what about test levels not recovering blabla comes next.
listen to the guys who been there and can be trusted.or try for yourself.thats all the options there are.
so many tren fatsos, and i have to listen to anything they say?haha
btw do have your vitamin suplementation, vit c ,multivitamins, etc the whole phlethora, magnesium, the tabs are good enough for me, and yes i have no doubts theyre absolutely needed.
if i dont have them i simply get sick and thats it.
but thsi should go without mentioning.
i just read your pm, but let me say you got the perfect setting to go through this, by accident,but you do.
be off any gear before starting this is the optimal,i firmly believe this.at least for few weeks.
the other option is to increase dosage.
uh, why that is, well, ever tried dieting when coming off peds ;D and now think of the opposite way.
such little thing amass to key points for success.
yeah, this will be covered, from 6% further down things are a little bit different, but youre on the right way,smart thing,minimum drugs.
theres an excellent point made here, the fst and water distribution on some muscle misleads many to think theyre bigger there than they are in the first place,and they wonder how and when the last bit fat on some spot will go away.well guess what how will it go?its not so hard to figure out, theres a reason why they called stubborn spots.
;D
somewhere under 8% most people will stop the bs worry about muscle loss, bc they will see changes every day, and look more brutal daily, this is about the spot where they realize how stupid their fears are.
when dieting one has to envision his skeleton, the muscle, and a layer of skin on that, that is the goal, to make the water and fat go.
the fullness, the pumps, the recovery, the not loosing muscle is all taken care of if one follows the advice.
even natural musntnt worry until 8% or so, after that he has to see if he wants to go further on, bc they will become extremly flat from there.(id still carry on, i dont mind bit flatness).
theres instances where this wont work well, if one comes from high dose bulk, there will be a problem.
coming off gear and then do this is kinda recipe for disaster, all one can do then is damage control.
and yes, even the most bs diets out there should get ppl with willpower somewhere to 10%(10% is shit conditioning but yeah), this one is just much faster and somewhat harder, but discipline is key, on any diet ,ppl gonna have to dal with hunger.
if they dont,chances are , it wont work.
but either way 5lbs or what it was for 1 week is good, but first week is just pissing out water, there wont be much fatloss.
if one already gets scared about losingmuscle in the first week where he merely and literaly pisses out water resulting from horrible dieting habbits before the diet, its best to not bother.
oh yes, the body takes his time to get into fatburning,it sdont happen overnight, this is the price of eating shit.
the first week is just clearing the body from the shit foods and depleting glycogen, this leds to much weight pissed out, none of it gonna be fat.
and this is good the way it is, natures way of telling you "fuck you" by overfeeding yourself crap.
yet,somehow, you and me get away with eating some junk foods.
how comes?well, different settings.theres a difference of knowing when you get away with shit food, and flooding yourself with shit foods everyday all day every meal.
if the people gonna believe calorie is calorie and just eat like that, well, the best of luck to them.
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and yes, theres no nice way to explain this, follow the programme to the t#~(more or less)or it will fail.
its walking a thin line.
whether scienc backs our claims or not, i dont give the slightest shit, it works on everyone who follows it,
science for example says, theres no afterburn effect from workouts, while im 100% sure there is.
now look at the scientist, then look at me.
want to have philosophic discussion with scientist?do that.
want to look like me?perhaps do what i do.
from much talking ,nobody has lost fat.its always dedication and sticking to something.
nah its too "un-diety" must be more pale food.
im not joking, you can forget milk and diary and oatmeals, i swear that wouldnt work for me.
it also takes away too many calories youd need for the protein.
theres very little leeway here.
yah, an fluid calories are absolutely out, even on cheat day id steer clear away from that.
milk and oats can make one look like absolute shit from one meal.
its just very bad diet food.
some get away with it,i certainly dont.but thats not even the only problem with that food.
youre on the right way if your senses are so dumbed down that even pale brocoli you look forward to.and then they taste amazing and stuff.
precisely meals with milk and oats is why other diets sem to take forever and forever,if t
thanks primemuscle.
ppl severly overestimate calories burned during weight lifting.
a very busy waiter burns more in the same time.
and yet they think they need 500+calories from pre and postworkout meals.haha ;D
this is the same as the fatso women who do 30 minutes cardio at no pace worth mention and then reward themseves with a pizza for that.
same principle.
thanks, brother.
more important, its to follow it, just listening and then not doing as said wont go places :D
prime muscle, theres no ecto endo meso morfs, other than structure.
their metablosim rates are all within few %.
there is not ppl who can get away with eating everything and not get ft, and there is not ppl who get fat just by looking at food.
theres only ppl who overeat, ppl with small stomachs, ppl with more efficient metabolism bc of being more active.
a baby has very small stomach, it cant eat so much.ectomorfs have small frame with bit smaller stomach, etc.
force feed ectomorf with 10k cals a day for a while and see how he gets away with eating anything.
starve an alleged endomoirf and see how he cant lose weight.
in the concentration camps,i bet the jewish were all mixes of morfs, and the survivors all came shredded.
conclusion, sciene says theres different bodytypes but they only mean bone structure, not metaboism.
ofc a mesomorf structure will look more muscular than a wide hipped turd endomorfic one.by default.
nah, in my early 20s i got somewhere similiar,maybe even bit more shredded, but less fullness.
and last summer was similar best condition,almost like this, and this january was close to it,but i felt its too early,shit weather etc,to go all out.
but ,the last 3 years was always, within few lbs of this, i stepped on scale today, was 95kilos with those few clothes in the vid,for who cares.
pre workout meal?why would you have that?until thats metabolised, itll take 10hrs.this is how ridiculous the broscience about pre workout meals is.
if hungry, thats perfect, just drink some water(diet coke is ok too,but i dont drink that before workouts it blows up my stomach).
noone said this really well, its about when not to eat, rather than when to eat.
the mindset of counting calories(i never count,but i know how much is in what from experience and keep to my limit)and scheduled meals is 2 habbits one best gets rid of forever.
yeah, the mindset has kinda to be to only eat to not die or shut the body down, the times for big meals of junk will come,the relief will be there.
i think he means this, coffee shuts down apetite and hunger pretty well.and its a hot drink,takes time to down it.often all it takes to overcome the admitedly furious hunger bangs, is just bit time and they go away.
yes, seems like it responds to very slight changes in diet with actual growth,so much for muscle loss.
the training is also weird, you know im deliberately going to the limits,always on the verge of overtraining, deliberqately, so i do some light workouts at times to not fall into full out overtraining,and soemtimes strenght absolute sucks.but volume i always do,and the pump is always brutal.,
but strenght is very random, but who cares,im not hyperventilating bc 1workout the lifted weight sucks,i find being close to overtraining is beter, for it puts the body at so much stress,it makes the metabloism work extremly well,its forced to.
its used every little bit food it gets perfectly where itsneeded and this is shown in the very scarce toilet visits i have to have.
and,this is on absolute min natural dosage.
got to laugh at the he guys who plan and collect their complicated dieting drug regiument, anti estrogens(lol),t3(yet of all ppl they shout alarmism bc possible muscle loss,when t3 is the best muscle killer out there, can be avoidd,if you increase dosageof gear,but thats no good solution etc),then the notorious alleged cutting drugs stack ,the cardio, the scheduled meals(turning asocial)and whatnot.
:D
nah can have cheat meals.
or rather,must.
butnot until single digits, until there, theynot needed, theyll only slow down the results.
later on is different.
yo nicademus, smart question and im sure you understand .the answer.youre an educated guy
the body wont use muscle in this diet, mainly bc its given just enough protein,ofc the ped and how its applied(will be precisely explained in book), its forced to use fat and nothing else.i actually gotten into the 4%s and i swear it seems some muscles actualy grew.
with these fctors plus training,it just wont happen.
however, somewhere in the ow 6%s starts something where it needs a very pefect balance of bit junk foods,on bit more frequent basis, for theres almost no fat to drain off of the body.
i deliberately avoid ketosis, by having trace carbs, when one has carbs,to return to full out ketosis takes some 6hrs(so says science and i agre based on what keto sticks say, so this isnt really full ketosis, its somethign between glucogenesis and ketosis, i chose to call it the twilight zone.
answer to second question is basically answered with this too.
btw even naturals dont need to worry about muscle loss until 6% after that they just flat out,but even disgusted will tell you they dont lose muscle,they just flatten out sub 6%.
this answer is why someone whos coming from a geared bulk will not do sooo well on the diet.
also the not use of t3 and the such help to prevent muscle loss, and yes the ped choice plays a role.noone agrees with this too.and hes the bigger version of me.
its the twilight zone,notketosis 8)
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man every post you make in answer to a question it's like we are the same people talking. bang on dude. your giving out some great advice and what's more your explanations of 'what to expect' and 'what comes next' are bang on.
if i may some random thoughts if I may add to the thread to compliment what you doing here?
using this method as well the longer you stay on it for successive days the smaller your stomach gets and the less calories your able to consume when you do have 'that meal'. so by the time you've gone thru your 5th or 6th cycle (I call them cycles- consecutive days w a big cal meal at the end then consecutive days fasted again) you'll find you've gone from being able to consume at the start say 10k cal to being absolutely stuffed after about 2500cal. how great is that esp if your maintenance is 3k cal? that's why this method Galeniko is outlining here is so powerful in so many aspects esp mentally- the ability to adhere to the diet.
secondly results happen so quickly you are motivated to stay on track to see what the next week will bring so the mental part of this diet is very rewarding as opposed to a conventional pre contest diet where week to week results are negligible.
REGARDLESS of what you eat, and galeniko touched on it your body will hoard water and flatten out and make you look like shit. 333336 you said you've been right on your diet and you put on x amount if water and you contribute it to a few things you ate? nah dude. your body will go thru this regardless how right how restrictive you are. you just gotta stay focused as gal said when it happens and keep pushing on your body will normalize in a few days.
what else. ya one meal won't damage you in fact imo it's awesome. not for the bullshit excuses like oh I need to trick my body or what ever else excuses guys use to eat whatever they want but for the fact your next 2 sessions are the gym are spectacular. I find by the 3rd or 4th session fasted after the big meal I'm going they the motions just getting it done. but those 2 sessions you are killing it in the gym. imo I think that one refeed up to your maintenance is pretty essential to keep your metabolism running and ramped up thru the 'work' your doing in the gym after. to go over your maintence in cals imo is not necessary to get this result I've noticed and really only sets you back. why go over maintenance on on your refeed day if you and do the sale amount of work on less cals. anything more is lack of willpower.
lol allllllll this.
if you can get yourself down to eating 800-1200 cals a day (im 240ish my lowest days are 800 and thats tough, my highest days are 1200 and i feel a bit like im cheating 1000 seems about right) and do this for 4-5 consecutive days then at night before bed have your big meal at your maintenance or slighly below (i hate the word refeed for some reason word maybe it reminds me too much of the whole 'refeed' mentality of those 'permabulker poor excuse to stay on track' diets?), your really just setting yourself up for some great workouts and and still have 4-5 days of a an 18-2000cal deficit. how can you NOT lose bodyfat. for me i dont like to go over 2500cal, and if you dont think 2500cal is a lot or enough to be satifying try to eat 4 1/2 pound hamburgers made w exta lean ground beef (thats 2 pounds of meat) plus the buns at 150cal each.
im experimenting with this type of meal- massively high protein/ fat very low carb (around 100gram or so- when your taking in 2500cal 100 gram carb is only 1/8 of the account for cals )for two reasons- for me sugar is bad- my body responds horribly to it, and i seem to function well on lower carbs and find it way easier to hop back on a 800 cal routine when i havent had a shit ton of carbs the meal before as i subsist mostly on high protein/ high fat <30carb on the low cal days. this works well for me. part of the trick of the diet is finding what works well for you, and doing that, and the only way you do that is thru years of trial and error. thus the experimentation. so we'll see what happens.
and all this and only all this when you get down to 8 or so percent! and this is why this post ties in with this post of Gals- if your at 15% and doing this it wont work. you gotta get your fat off thru suffering and starving. there are no tricks no quick gimmicks nothing but willpower. this type of thing i outlined here only works when you get that chub off, and you are ready to try to get into the 4's and 5's. but once you get 'lean' your body becomes a fat buring machine in and of itself, and that maintenance meal is so benefical for so many reasons but so crippling if your not. dont mistake 'want' for 'necessity' it'll break the fabric of your willpower in no time and 2 years of 'dieting' from now you'll still be 'dieting' and never reaching your full potential.
great post G. this shit is gold all someone has to do is apply it. so much great info given out for free around here based on years of experience and trial and error not broscience and parroting its mind boggling. and that in itself tell you why you dont read shit like this all the time and when you do its very segregated to a small popualtion who agree fully with what eachother says, cause they lived it and recognise others have too.
cheers.
absolutely and reallt thats the whole key to all of this. you have to want it bad enough your willing to suffer. and once you make that commitment for some weird reason the suffering isnt as bad. but if you don't have the mindset going in that anything less than success from this dieting strategy is a failure then you will not be able to suffer thru it. at some level and I dont know how and can't explain it but your mind overrides your desire to eat for pleasure. it cannot in my experience shut down feelings of absolute hunger but it can turn off desires to eat for pleasure. your brain once you've committed can control cravings I believe.
actually guys the real beauty of this thread is that only very few people have followed it to these last pages, and if they followed it to those last pages, chances are they are ready to make a serious commitment to getting in the kind of shape thru suffering and diet that really not 'everyone' can achieve. so for the first time in a very long time in giving advise on a forum based on my experience(s) (other than in pm's) i feel like im not wasting my time here :D and its a good feeling knowing that people will take and apply what you tell them and they will succeed.
in that spirit, heres some tips to help you that i have found worked for me.
commit to suffering getting lean. understand that nothing short of reaching that goal is failure. i used to have 3k cal binges that made me feel guilty when i was dieting. now im so locked in if i eat 300 cals extra in almonds i feel like im cheating myself. get this mindset. it'll keep you away from the fridge.
whats 300 cals you say? 300 cals is ONE QUARTER of your daily allotment of cals when you are ultra low cal dieting. one quarter! so yea, 300 cals is a very big deal. get this mindset too.
when you get hungry grab a coffee. instead of cream and sugar use a scoop of protein powder. caffeine is an appetite suppressant. and be patient. soon after the hunger goes away. and the coffee is hot so it'll take a while to drink it
know your brain, know your body. take the time to listen to it. understand how it works. what it needs. learn to differentiate between actual hunger and mental cravings. this will prevent you from eating when your body is truly not hungry.
buy a protein powder that doesnt have aspartame in it. for some strange reason i think aspartame fucks w my insulin levels. in my experience when you fuck w your insulin levels cravings result and appetite increases.
stay away from sugars and try to stay under 100 grams carbs on your big meal day. it makes it so much easier to get right back into 800cal and no carbs the following day. you do not need a lot of carbs to feel amazing in the gym the next couple workouts.
forget about 'eating for taste'. eating for taste will ruin you and sabotage your mentality. this is about eating to perform your tasks and thats it. i dont use condiments or salt, in fact i dont even eat whole foods, and if i do its a baked potato and 3 whole eggs. no salt no mustard no ketchup no salsa. eating for taste gets your body craving food, and looking forward to meals. you want to fight that? fuck that i dont. this is utilitarian, not michelin.
find 2-3 key foods to use (see- when you get the mindset your not eating your using food). for me its natty peanut butter, protein powder and raw almonds. thats it. nothing fancy. i dont want variety. i dont want to eat tons of different foods. i dont want taste cause im not eating for taste. im eating to lose fat.
why raw almonds? cause when im at work i can put a handful in my pocket. they are always there. when i get hungry i have a few. i dont let my hunger build i kill it right away. you let it get out of control it'll crush you. i always have almonds everywhere. on the passenger seat of my car. if im driving and get hungry its a handful of almonds which saves the weak from pulling into Mcd's and crushing 3k cal. plus i dont like raw almonds they taste like shit. thats why i use them.
use tren. and its not about using tren to burn fat, or to build muscle theres something else it does very well. tren gives you a kind of energy i cant explain- a nervous energy. and when your in a 2k cal deficit a day this is handy. you dont need 300mg and up a week to get this effect. im getting it on 100mg a week. so if you are 'afraid' of tren, you dont need a lot of it if your using it the way i am using it here. 100mg is fine. 100mg wont kill you. this is coming from a guy who used to run 700mg a week pretty much year round.
natural peanut butter is your friend. watching tv and get hungry? have a scoop of natty pb. make a coffee. go sit down in 20 minutes you'll be gtg. but for some reason and i dont know why almonds blunt my hunger better, and it takes way less of them.
if you cant train heavy in the gym, be intense. not intense as in ARRRGH! intensity as in set to set to set all weight to failure. doesnt have to be heavy just dont stop moving. if you cant lift heavy chase the pump and sweat it out. on those days you can train heavy train the same way. just cause your training heavy doesnt mean you get to sit around with your thumb in your ass for a minute between sets.
get rid of preconceived notions about a) dieting, meal timing and eating to 'hold onto muscle' out the window. there is no magic window for post workout carbs here. no x amount of protein per pound bodyweight. just using food to keep your body moving thru day. this is about losing fat. thats it.
and b) losing muscle. do you have any idea how hard to have to work to 'lose muscle'? any clue? any idea of the workload necessary to while in a severe cal deficit to destroy tissue? i keep hearing this shit online all. the. time. you'll lose muscle bro. you'll lose muscle. ridiculous. meanwhile they are all 240 pound perma bulkers who havent seen 5 percent in their lives. why? cause they are afraid to lose muscle bro. ya you'll flatten out. you'll like crap. you'll be watery. your body will be all out of whack. but lose muscle?look at Gals picks. tell me the fucker has lost muscle. the guy is 100% shredded muscle. lose muscle. gimme a break.
ok, thats it for now. more later as i think of them and im sorry if i have repeated anything anyone has said i was just banging things off the top of my head. props to everyone for such a great thread. if your lurking, contribute- you might have an idea or hint someone here can use. you wont get flamed in here. this is seriously about us all helping each other. the flaming is hwat the rest of the board is for :D
actually dude I don't get the craving that would lead to a binge in this methodology. that why I don't put in my post 'don't have foods in the house that can cause you to fail'. cause for me that's a non factor. my freezer is full of ice cream. frozen pizzas. eggo waffles. a 40oz of kahlua. there is no failing. there's only 150-300 cals at a time till I reach my daily allotment. breaking my diet isn't a binge. breaking my diet now is 300 cals over 800-1000. see how far removed I am mentally from that possibility? it's not even possible to fathom that even happening. .
that being said. there is going to be real hunger. the body will demand nurtrients like sodium carbs fats and in great amounts. this is what that meal up to maintenance is for. it's recognizing the difference between necessity and want, and fulfilling those needs to get your body to keep performing it's function.
im finding after my big meal i can fast- like 0 cals- for beyond 24 hours now and thats with good training session in there. the longer you can do this i find the more benefits i reap. now my metabolism gets so spiked after i have to change my pillow half way thru the night cause its soaked w sweat. this is the first time this has happened in 5 or 6 cycles. my body is now a an efficient fat burning furnace. and waking up leaner after every big meal. its like it kick starts something that slows down in the 4 days of low cals.
agreed w fasting as long as possible, and agreed that nattys wmight not respond as well to a guy on to this kind of regime.
it's kinda all speculative till someone does it.
you'll hear people say 'oh this will happen and that will happen' without even having tried it. at best it's an outside guess what would happen.
imo is it possible? prolly. but for what? if my maintenance is 3k cal at 240 7% and I'm taking in 800-1000 cals on my low days and still functioning well, and I'm in a 2k cal deficit I don't see the benefit in a total starvation scenario. like at some point you have to weight benefits vs cost. for me it's a positive trade off to do what I'm doing. I function very well. I fail to see how there'd be any possible benefit cutting out the remaining 800 cals going starvation. this is strictly a cost/benefit ratio I'm talking about.
picture driving your car 180 mikes an hour. you can squeeze another 30 mph out if it but is it worth blowing your block and all the costs associated with it for such a negligible increase in speed?
bingo. and i think thats why my appetite and cravings are non-existent. no carbs on my fasted/low cal days just protein and fats. this is important in my case as i am very carb sensitive as even a slight change in my sugar/gi intake can trigger hypo. some guys might be able to do carbs on this instead of fat. im not one of them.
besides, i dont want carbs for fuel ;)
seriosuly tho dude we got to stop giving out this shit out like this. all the dildos who criticised us will use them and be like 'oh ya it does work'. let them get in shape with their 'diets' the hard way.
and everyone keeps wondering about 'energy'. energy? i dont know what to do with the energy i now have. i think part of the problem with conventional 1800-2400cal diets is that your not taking enough enough calories to supply your body with the energy it needs to perform its tasks, and too many calories for your body to fully tap into its fat reserves for fuel, so your constantly hungry, constantly lethargic.
notice how the further into that type of diet you go, the more lethargic you feel and the more resiliant to fat loss you become??? now re- read that first paragraph again and draw some parallels. basically the further into the prep you go you only exaggerate this imbalance. so you drop your cals further to stimulate fat loss. or up the cardio, and throw your body further out of a state of statis instead of working with your body and listening to it and letting it burn its fat off for you.
that is why those diets are not optimal! jesus people. open your eyes.
this is a theory of as to the 'why' of course and i cant whip up a peer reviewed study or double blind placebo test to validate it, but i dont need to. cause it works and thats all that matters. the 'why' is secondary to results. want proof scroll back a page or two and look at those pics. ya, hes really fading away to nothing and having to drag his ass through his workouts. ::)
lol
goddamn. :D
see, I know what I can eat, and I've seen xfactor eat but this is another level.
there's a lot of caveats to this. you mentioned one if them. being lean to begin with. but on the way down to this bf level meals up to 3k of whatever you want every few days is pretty normal. but if your a lard ass or a lazy trainer/ dieter and are using food for comfort instead of for a distinct purpose, guess what? you'll fail. part of this involves knowing when to do it, and how much to consume. these are not static variables once you get down past 6% as we are both discovering whereas maintaining 7% and up and dieting down to that number there isn't a lot of manipulation and the basic tenants of the method we've outlined apply- 3-4 days 800-1000cal. one big meal before bed of maintenance cals of whatever you want. rinse cycle repeat.
we talked in pm about this. certain things happen in the body in this diet once you hit 6 and lower that we aren't going to go into detail on here. lets just say there are certain times and frequencies that you can do this and certain times your body will not allow it.
there's actually a lot of note comparing going on. and exactly everything we are each doing apart coincides with the results we are both experiencing which only goes to further validate in my mind the efficacy of this system it's not just individual you couldn't meet more different people genetically than gal and I. he responds to carbs. I respond to fats. I have very unstable blood sugar. his levels are solid. I am using minuscule amounts of anabolics and gh. gal isn't using gh. neither of us like fat burners. he likes whole foods. I prefer 3 things and not eating for taste.
but we are both experiencing the same results despite having two very different systems and different needs within the system. this only goes to further cement we have a very novel, applicable approach that can be tailored to each user, but still supplies the same results to all users despite those differences.
yes exactly. 3-4 days of very low cals. 800-1000. then one meal to maintenance of whatever you want (ANYTHING- pizza burgers ice cream) on the 4th day before bed. this will get you to 6% no problem faster than any method out there.
Gal likes carbs and veg. I prefer a more militant approach with my food due to my personality, and fats instead of carbs for fuel. but yes the one constant is higher protein. there are tips and tricks buried in the thread to help you with your appetite and other things to help you get to where you want to be.
Gal and I take two approaches within the same system but get the same results. that's the beauty of this. this can be used for the rest of your life to not just get into shape but maintain it. that being said experiment a bit. take a few weeks to try the carb approach. does it work? are you functioning well? then stick with it. if not try the fats. the beauty is one of them will work for you.
thanks for the props dude it really means a lot. enjoy your new body dude. cheers and good luck.
depends on your current bodyweight and whether or not your a true 10%- being off on either can mean the difference of 3-6 pounds or more of fat.
anyway, in any diet as much as its nice to have goals, put aside the whole how long will it take mentality. all thats matters is the day your in. and the the next day your in. and the next day your in.
technically if i had to give you a 'measurement of weight' answer i would say based on the way we have outlined the system you are looking at a reduction of in and around 3 pounds of bodyfat a week depending on your current weight.
yeah the body will def not do what you 'expect' or 'want' it to.
no matter how idealised you think your results should be, there will be unexpected fluctuations on your bodyweight and your look all the way thru the whole process, for no apparent reason. like you'll wake up holding 2 pounds of water one day. all you had the day before was 400cals for almonds, unsalted, and 3 scoops of protein powder. lol technically it shouldnt happen- there is nothing to explain a 2 pound gain in water- but it does happen. the why is a mystery. its just the body regulating itself. the key is to just keep focused on that day. the body will let that water go when it doesnt require it any more.
so like gal said its hard to put an exact number on such things. all that matters is that day. and then the next day. stay on track and stay focused.
back in the day i can remember some of my biggest food binges coming after i looked in the mirror and saw we just explained. id be like fuck it, i look like shit i might as well eat, right? lol thats the mentality. i didnt realise what i do now. we are saving you all the pain of figuring this shit out for yourselves.
no. its all wrong. its not even close to what we are telling you. we are telling you 800-1200 cals (bigger guys i'd say can use 200 more cals maybe. but im 236 and very lean and i can do it on 800-1000cal. i feel like im cheating at 1200 cals after you get the mindset and start seeing reulst you wont want the 200cal extra to be truthful) a day for 3 days the 4th day a meal to maintenance in your case of 3k cal. whatever you want right before bed. you get up in the am and train fasted. you then start another cycle of 800-1000 cals a day until the next re-feed 4 days later.
this will get you to 6% without a hiccup. its impossible to fuck up. it works the same way every time, all the time in the shortest time frame possible. from 6 and lower everything kinda changes.
now you know why we got to write the book. lol
how to go thru your low days and the tricks and tips will be in there. dont worry about your energy we'll explain why in the book this diet gives you more energy than they typical 1800-2400 cal diet. then we'll tell you how and what to do to go from 6 to the sub 5's and keep that condition year round, or remain within 2 weeks striking distance of 4-5 from 6% year round. the whole time eating ice cream pizza and burgers.
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here's some food for thought gentlemen.
my last m2m ( meal to maintenance) was Sunday night.
Monday I got back into the diet w 800 cals. yesterday I was around 1k cal. today I'm at 700
i trained fasted this am. I'm going in to work a grave shift. as I typically do ill nap for two hours before. tonight I couldn't sleep. I had TOO MUCH energy. I was wired. I had to stop myself from getting out of bed and training legs this evening. I already did chest and back this am lol
no stims. no fatburners.
conventional 'wisdom' says this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING. I should be dragging my ass around everywhere.
gal and I have discussed this at length and have a pretty good theory. it's not ketosis as it starts to occur roughly 24-36 hours post m2m and it takes according to the 'experts' upwards of 72 hours to reach ketosis in a zero carb scenario. further more Gal uses carbs and experiences the same thing.
lets see if anyone can come up with the answer. here's two hints.
this energy does not exist in the 24-36 period post m2m. typically it really hits on day 3 of the low days.
it's why you get lethargy on 1800-2400cal diets.
food for though guys. everyone has been so blinded by bullshit and broscience that it shouldn't happen, right? SAYS WHO? lol
we're pulling the curtain back like Dorothy did in the Wzard of Oz.
cheers.
lol agreed. esp when you really get into the diet. you'll be training training training and one day you'll just wake up tired. with me it isnt sore, just tired. then i'll think about it- when was the last time i took a day off from the gym. i'll think about it as long as i can remember and be like- no way- 2 1/2 weeks?
when your mind is set, your diet is on point, and your seeing results daily its easy to go everyday just to see what you'll look like tomorrow.
like Gal i feel like a day without training is a lost day. i'll rest when my body tells me it needs rest. why rest just cause 'its your day off' doesnt make sense. just like it doesnt make sense not to hit the same muscle group 24-48 hours after training it the first time. if its good to go its good to go. you just know the feeling when you get it.
we feel this is possible and likely. and we think the body becomes incredibly efficient in a severe calorie deficit at scavaging fat cells for fuel in the absense of enough fuel from food for it to rely on that for function.
further more Gal and I have noticed something about the m2m once you get below 6% that we'll explore in the book that ties into this phenomena. like we said this system will work for everyone to get to 6% or so. it's simple physics. if you can't get to 6% you simply are not following the template we've outlined.
at 6% the m2m needs to change. we tell you what to do, why we found this change is necessary and lay out where to go from here and get ultra shredded in a fraction of the time of other diets and without cardio.
as we said before this it's not ketosis as we've talked about before. we don't know what specific mechanisms are involved. like i said we are real world results guys not 'science' guys is but it happens and it's goddamn efficient at fueling you and stripping the fat off you at the same time.
but yes, good catch dude. you guys are learning.
the way gal's body functions and mine is different in a lot of ways, including tolerances to certain compounds. more proof its the system that is doing this, not just any one part of the system as parts of it varies drastically for both of us.
he'll cover what his experiences have been with what compounds, and i'll cover mine. i'll just say now for the record when you get really lean, the whole idea is to not want the 'type' of water associated w dbol anywhere on your body. whats the sense of covering up all that hard work with a layer of film, and walking around with a moon face? chicks like a lean face, with strong jaw lines, not waterlogged jowls. it triggers in them some kind of biological response to what could be a possible mate. there are much better compounds suited for what it is you are referring to.
disgusted likes anadrol when in a situation like this. i have used it and like it as well. i'll get into a list of compounds you might want to look at, and the combinations/doses to use depending on the look your after. this is important. you can look markedly different at very low bf levels just by using certain compounds (think 5% and a guy who looks full and round, vs 5% and a guy who does have that type of fullness and roundness but more of a grainer harder sharper look- and no, im not talking about diuretics or AI's. gal and i both do not use them, we'll tell you why, and cover that as well). so basically the bf level stays the same, the compounds provide drastically different looks. we'll tell you what ones we like for the different type of 'look' you want to achieve.
in this regard, and i have said it before and i'll back up what he said again, bob chick took / takes a lot of heat for his 'drugs are just the finishing touch' comment. but he is 100% bang on if its being used in the context of what i have written here.
all this.
esp the eating when not hungry. what the fuck are you giving your body calories for that it isnt demanding? pay very close attention to what im about to say:
EVERYONE NEEDS TO THROW OUT EVERY PRECONCEIVED NOTION YOU HAVE EVER BELIEVED ABOUT 'DIETING' IF YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THIS.
that means bullshit like eating 'because your supposed to' and other broscience bullshit beliefs that people just blindly do 'cause they are supposed to'.
secondly i think your cals are too high. why 1500? im 240 i've had 1k cal today. i feel like im cheating when i go as high as 1200-1300. your cals are to high. cut them back. at 1500 you might be giving your body too much for it to not want to use your fat for fuel, and too little cals to use solely for energy. one the major points of this system is getting your body to use its fats for its fuel. thats where the results and the energy comes from.
you say you've only lost 10 pounds but dont look different? be realistic with your goals. you are not going to wake up tomorrow with a 6 pack. its going to take time to get there but this will get you there in half the time as most other 'diets'.
were not giving you a miracle here. its fucking hard work and discipline. if you think it was going to be easy think again. nobody said 'easy'. efficient, yes. optimal, yes. easy? not by a long shot.
im going to make this very clear. we are not giving anyone who has been lazy enough in the past to not be able to get in shape some kind of magic key here. this isnt what this is about. we are giving those who have the drive, discipline and desire to get into shape the fastest most efficient method to do so. if you think your going to follow this system, not suffer and wake up magically shredded i suggest you just stick to eating poorly and continue to yo-yo diet cause your only going to be sorely disappointed.
again as gal and I keep discovering what your 'supposed' to do produces dramatically less efficient results than what we are doing. I cannot 'prove' my theories on this, just based on what I feel to be true based on what i know and have learned, but the main differences causing layne to not get gals level of conditioning are:
dieting too long. it seems for some reason the harder you throw your body into this deficit the better it partitions the nutrients it gets. allowing for better lean tissue retention, actually faster recovery between workouts and in my case the creation of new tissue mostly in part to those factors. cause I'm on exactly the third the amount of anabolics it took me to get here and Im leaner and bigger relatively than I have ever been. again, all unexplainable and not supposed to be happening but it is.
too high cals w cardio. all those cals are only going to support fat he's trying to lose. all the cardio does is burn off cals he's giving his body that it doesn't need. lol talk about an inefficient push/ pull scenario. but I guess 'conventional wisdom' says that's what your supposed to be going I guess.
wrong choice of agents to diet on in terms of anabolics. forget all the 'go to' prep drugs. there's one your never think of above all and no it isn't anadrol.
finally I think the combination of all these factors couple w fat burners and all the other shit he takes his body doesn't need (including food) is preventing him from getting to where gal is.
my 0.2. provable? no. speculative at best. but I'm ok w that cause it doesn't matter 'why'. all that matters is that it works, period.
thats why im so far over arguing about this stuff with people. its there. try it. im waking up every am leaner than i have ever been in my life. i cannot wait to get to the gym tomorrow. i look bigger than i ever been. i got told i looked like a super hero yesterday ffs. if someone doesnt want to get this system, take the time to learn it or follow it, great. cause at this point i could honestly care less. i have nothing to prove anymore. lol
why pre workout? its not about eating at certain times, its more about not eating at certain times. if you can train fasted do so. then stay as fasted as long as you can after. we are finding this is very very important to increase the bodies ability to burn fat. your not eating for fuel, your body is supplying that.
so why eat before you train? so many indoctrinated useless habits we have developed because 'were supposed to do that'. clearly its not what we are supposed to do, or else the body wouldnt respond as remarkably as it has.
also, i wouldnt use the powder with just water. it wont satiate you. it might just leave you hungrier. if you use powder, put it in coffee. that way it'll at least blunt your appetite. but powder in water is not a good idea. stick to whole food instead. and btw powder makes up almost 100% of my protein source, with odd days with meat. always in coffee, never water. cheers.
I'm loling!!!
ya you kinda forget you haven't had a dump in 3-4 days on this diet till the night you eat that meal. then by the am it's as you said it best, business as usual.
funny thing is people will look at this and think oh he doesn't eat like this all the time but the sad truth is you have to eat like this. like it's imperative. I suffer the rest of the night with sweats and a full stomach but the next day in the gym is killer, and the mental reset is even more valuable. gets you into the whole mood to fast for 24-30 hrs after and drop down to 1000cals for the next 3/4 days and when you look in the mirror- voila! another 2 pounds of fat gone. ;)
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And last, here's a couple of posts from SNX I found particularly worthwhile:
I'm pretty much in line with what No One and Gal say.
These are my principles:
1. don't cheat on the diet. If you get X amount of calories, then only eat that. Cheating because you think you need to top up the tank with more calories is bullshit justification for weakness. Suffer and get there. Do or do not.
2. the amount of meals you eat isn't really relevant. 'It's calories in vs calories out. Eat them all at once, or space it out and eat 20 meals a day if you like. It won't matter. The body is a marvelous machine that will adapt to absorb what it needs to survive and thrive. And when you're dieting, your body wants to survive. It will preserve muscle and shed fat. That's why your body has fat in the first place...to keep you alive when you starve.
3. do it quick. Don't pussy foot around. Do the job, get in and get out. Focus on the goal, and get to point A from point B as fast as you can reasonably do it. Diet as quickly as you can. Humans wane in their passion for long-term goals - that is the inevitability of human nature. Appreciate this; set a lofty goal and chase it down with all of your passion and power.
4. food choices don't matter for physique composition. Now, some guys like typical bb'ing foods because it keeps them regimented and it's easy to plan and cook. This is a mental choice...not a physical one. Some guys like different foods because it allows them to taste foods they like and they feel they can control caloric intake even if they eat non-traditional foods (like TA). If you can be disciplined in this approach, great. If not, then just pick a dozen food sources and stick to them. It really doesn't matter physically. What matters is that you can stick to it, and not deviate. That is the best plan. You know your weaknesses and triggers best. Choose the approach that allows you to master your triggers that cause you to deviate. Some guys can't eat just a few potato chips or a small bowl of ice cream or a single bottle of beer without going hog wild -- for you guys, eat bb'ing foods. For those of you who find that little tastes of non-traditional bb'ing foods allows you to hold to a steady caloric intake, then do it. This is purely an emotional and mental issue...it will not affect physique composition to any material extent. Stop convincing yourself otherwise and open up to new ways of thinking.
5. You don't need 500g of protein per day. You might like eating that much, but you don't need that much. Stop rationalizing your thought processes. Test yourself and see what happens. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
6. There are no "bad foods". There is only too much, or not enough. Not enough, and you lose fat. Too much, and you gain fat.
7. Live life. Bodybuilding should complement your life, not run it. Be a human. Enjoy all that humanity has to offer. Don't ostracize yourself from friends and family because your tupperware won't travel. Is that really "living"? Is your end goal really to be a slave to the Foreman grill and a tupperware container?
8. Training doesn't matter all that much, in terms of what program you're doing. Your body will develop to its potential as long as you are consistently in the gym. Ergo, choose programs that allow you to consistently hit the gym. Don't lift stupid and get injured. Don't burn out on ridiculously long or intense programs. Don't get bored with training. Change it up not to shock the muscles (that's pretty stupid); change it up to keep you interested. The more consistent you are with hitting the gym regularly without getting hurt or burning out, the closer you'll come to achieving the best you can.
9. Don't waste time with cardio. Do it if you like, for sure. But it doesn't burn all that many calories. Lift some more weights and burn more calories. You probably like lifting weights more than walking on a treadmill anyways. And if you must do cardio, do something productive. Cut the grass; go take a walk with your wife and talk to her; go run around with the kids; play a game of tennis with an old friend. Have a life for christ's sake.
10. Don't over-complicate it. When you get crazy with excel spreadsheets planning out your training and diet plans, you've gone too far. It's not rocket science. Consistency yields 99% of the results you're after. The rest is just mental masturbation. Own your shit.
Well (and this is the biochemistry undergrad background talking here), theoretically:
If the amino acids you took were pure essential amino acids, then theoretically, you could get away with eating less protein. Your body would use the EAA's to manufacture any non-essential AA's your body would need. Therefore, you wouldn't need as many calories from protein sources, since a few grams of EAA's can easily replace many grams of complete protein. Let's say the ratio is "one gram of EAAs replaces 5 grams of complete protein" (and don't take my science as exact here...I can't remember the ratio).
Then, theoretically, if you thought you needed 100 grams of protein per day to achieve your goals, you would only need 20 grams of EAA's to do the same thing. In which case, you could save yourselve from eating 80 grams of protein (the 5 to 1 ratio). And that amounts to 320 fewer calories you'd have to eat (80 grams x 4 calories/gram = 320 calories).
Now, that'd be a miserable existence. But you could do it, and I think the math would work and theoretically, it should work. But that would really need to be applied to see if it bears out.
In patients fed parenterally, it's not uncommon to dose with saline, glucose and EAAs. But that's in extreme cases.
Not sure why you'd do it, but it's worth a shot if you like experimenting. I'd love to study it, but I'd never do it myself. I like chewing food.
Now, there are reasons why it won't work.
You simply can't expect pure EAA's to replace a complete protein source. EAA's are just that: pure EAA's.
A piece of steak also contains creatine, essential and non-essential fats, minerals...there's just too much going on with a piece of food to compare it. I think in the long run, you'd probably wind up with micronutrient deficiencies, unless you made a concerted effort to get those micros from other food sources.
So theoretically, it's do-able. But in the real world, there's a good chance for malnutrition over the long-term, and general unhappiness and malaise in the short-term.
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Gal in his current shape reminds me a lot of the Zyzz/Aziz guy who died in Thailand a while back.
Would be interesting to see if any of their methods were similar, as both stayed ripped year round.
Obviously both Gal and Zyzz, run low/moderate doses constantly this is not questionable, but I wonder whether there are any other similarities?
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Zyzz's diet was a bit different to Gal/No one's approach, but he still got the same end result. From his website:
"Zyzz diet was clean but he didn’t count calories like some bodybuilders do. He trained hard and ate right, period. Zyzz stuck to eating around 7-8 times a day, and ensured he maxed out on protein with each meal. He didn’t eat crap, so cut out fast food, sweets and sodas from your diet. He consumed a hell of a lot of water, and the only other drink he had daily was green tea to help with fat burning and getting that shredded look.
Here’s a sample of a typical Zyzz day when he was at his peak. Know you too can eat and train like the legend.
Zyzz Diet
Meal 1: 6 boiled Eggs, Oatmeal - 2 cups (6 oz). Protein shake.
Meal 2: 300g (10.5 oz) boiled chicken breast (boiled), broccoli with brown rice.
Meal 3: 200g (7 oz) tuna chunks in spring water with spinach leaves and wholemeal pasta
Go for a workout.
- Whey protein shake
Meal 4: Stir fry beef or kangaroo mince with vegetables (various)
Meal 5: Steak or kangaroo with brussels sprouts
Meal 6: 4 scrambled eggs with smoked salmon
Meal 7: 1 cup (6.8 oz) Cottage Cheese (zero fat). Eat 10 minutes before bed
From the looks of it, he was front loading his carbs (i's say a max of 70-80 grams a day, based on the above example), training hard, and only eating lean meats/fish with minimum fats after training.
Gal/No one - what would you say he has in common with you guys?
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what's your current bodyweight gal?
and how tall are you?
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zyzz is bit hard to compared he used all the fatburners, diuretics, COCAINE!, and on top of that, was already 5% anyway.
so yeah the above would easy work for him but is still a suprisingly clean diet with not many calories.
yeah i remember he ate clean despite all the drugs and despite already being lean and he was a very very active kid.
i find this a good example.
noone and me get away with much more bad foods for maintenance,though.
i like how he didnt count calories, neither do i(but i know how much is what).yes there are many factors which are the same,or very similiar.
not counting calories doesnt mean eating like a swine, looks like the guy was no dumbass, he was just bit reckless.
the 7 meals per day is bit unnecesary, he still "fell" for some of the broscience out there, but he got many things figured out very well for his young age.can tell that we was one who was able tot hink for himself.
Exactly!
Without the coke, zyzz wouldn't even be worthy to write a diet thread on getbig, let alone a book like you and no one.
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Zyzz's diet was a bit different to Gal/No one's approach, but he still got the same end result. From his website:
"Zyzz diet was clean but he didn’t count calories like some bodybuilders do. He trained hard and ate right, period. Zyzz stuck to eating around 7-8 times a day, and ensured he maxed out on protein with each meal. He didn’t eat crap, so cut out fast food, sweets and sodas from your diet. He consumed a hell of a lot of water, and the only other drink he had daily was green tea to help with fat burning and getting that shredded look.
Here’s a sample of a typical Zyzz day when he was at his peak. Know you too can eat and train like the legend.
Zyzz Diet
Meal 1: 6 boiled Eggs, Oatmeal - 2 cups (6 oz). Protein shake.
Meal 2: 300g (10.5 oz) boiled chicken breast (boiled), broccoli with brown rice.
Meal 3: 200g (7 oz) tuna chunks in spring water with spinach leaves and wholemeal pasta
Go for a workout.
- Whey protein shake
Meal 4: Stir fry beef or kangaroo mince with vegetables (various)
Meal 5: Steak or kangaroo with brussels sprouts
Meal 6: 4 scrambled eggs with smoked salmon
Meal 7: 1 cup (6.8 oz) Cottage Cheese (zero fat). Eat 10 minutes before bed
From the looks of it, he was front loading his carbs (i's say a max of 70-80 grams a day, based on the above example), training hard, and only eating lean meats/fish with minimum fats after training.
Gal/No one - what would you say he has in common with you guys?
ok, so like gal mentioned, he used coke and fat burners as well. coke is an appetite supressant for those who dont know, apart from giving you energy. in the mountains of peru oldtimers use coca leaf with an alkaline (typically lhama fat and ash) as a type of chew to give them the energy to work at high altitudes on very little food. so its not just a party drug, it does have certain undeniable characteristics that would have helped zyzz to stay lean. that would be the first difference, and its a huge advantage to the user, altho a dead end.
he eats several times a day. i'll eat once typically, if i cant get all my food down in that meal i'll eat twice. i'll eat chicken breast or xtra lean ground beef at this time. up to 2 pounds. depends on the day and my appetite. im very much play it by ear and see what my body wants, so i cant even follow a schedule like he does. ill eat if im hungry and not if im not. he seems to like whole foods several times of the course of the day. i prefer coffee/protein powder but thats just me. and he didnt count cals. im always within 100cals guestimating, cause as little as a 300 cal variance can mean 1/3 extra of my daily intake and retard possible fat burning.
our whole ways of doing things are totally opposite really. two completely different approaches. for example:
-his total cal intake each day. im way less.
- his carbs. im carbless on my low days.
-i train fasted, and dont eat post w/o for at least 12 hours.
- i load up every 3-4 days on foods hed typically not eat.
where we have similarites:
- we both love to train. you cant just point a finger at zyzz and say 'all coke' cause its not fair. he loved to train and diet. you cant look like that unless you do love it.
- we both stay away from sodas and drink a lot of water, and i like green tea as well, but mostly in the summer.
- we both agree protein intake is very important. we just dont take it in the same way.
- bitches love us.
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hey thank you cephissus for doing that. it took a lot of time to complie and to gop thru this thread.
you guys should thank him for doing this for you. its a gold mine of info.
much props dude.
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6ft, 210lbs-95kg, 48cm guns.
weight can go +/- 5lbs within one day randomly,i dont worry about that though.
dude, do a physique show. they have them over there? you dont even have to do anything. dont have to drop water. just throw on some shorts and walk out. be good exposure for the book too. :D
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Damn well done ceph. That must have took some time
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Damn...Awesome!
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Nice one cephissus, must of been painful to trawl through the tripe!
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When doing full 24 hr fast can you still consume whey protein or simple veggies that have no usable calories such as celery and lettuce?
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How many lbs per week would the people on Biggest Loser drop following gals training and nutrition strategy?
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christ! this shit's still going on ??? ??? ???
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One of the most insightful discussions on this board, Gal&others thank you for effort
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took me a few days to go through this thread :D :D :D this thread is crazy lol
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well if you eat 200 grams of protein then thats enough to maintain muscle on anyone, that adds up to 800 cals, so there is plenty room for carbs and you can still stay in deficit.And I know its fast, but its faster to smoke a crack pipe and eat fuck all.
No 200 grams of protein would not work for me, tried it and lost muscle, I need 300 while dieting and I have tested this over and over so your wrong and I am right.
As for the crack pipe, no you would lose muscle and the point of doing it fast is without losing muscle not doing it fast and losing muscle, man where is your brain ;D
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No 200 grams of protein would not work for me, tried it and lost muscle, I need 300 while dieting and I have tested this over and over so your wrong and I am right.
As for the crack pipe, no you would lose muscle and the point of doing it fast is without losing muscle not doing it fast and losing muscle, man where is your brain ;D
Talking of crack cocaine OTH, how many lines of the uncooked counterpart, in your opininion were inhalated during the course of this thread?
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Talking of crack cocaine OTH, how many lines of the uncooked counterpart, in your opininion were inhalated during the course of this thread?
A COUPLE OF BRICKS :D
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Talking of crack cocaine OTH, how many lines of the uncooked counterpart, in your opininion were inhalated during the course of this thread?
are you saying that when certain posters in this thread say they are going to powder their nose they aren't putting make up on cyp
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How many lbs per week would the people on Biggest Loser drop following gals training and nutrition strategy?
indeterminable. Gals and i approach is simply to not give the body the cals required to support adipose tissue that you have accumulated. typically a very static mundane approach to 'cut' on your bodyweight x 8, that'll give you your 'caloric bracket'.. this is a pretty standard practice. but why would you give a 400 pound person 3600cals to 'diet' on? all those cals are doing is going to support weight they put on thru years of gluttony. why would you give a competitive bber who weighs 220 at 9% 1800cals to diet on? what for? he doesnt NEED that many. same goes for the fatties.
nobody needs that many cals when you are dieting. NOBODY. its slow progress, and a push/pull where your feeding yourself cals your body dosent need. think of it like this you eat x amount of calories your body doesnt need and doing cardio to burn them off- thats a typical competitive bber approach to fat loss- thats pretty stupid and illogical when you really think about it.
give the fatties 1000cals a day. ya they'll suffer and good. so they should. they sat around eating themselves into obilvion, its not going to come without a price.
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are you saying that when certain posters in this thread say they are going to powder their nose they aren't putting make up on cyp
I'm saying that when certain posters in this thread use massive amounts of 'willpower' to defeat their appetite, they are merely misspelling White Powder.
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Did she have a lot of excess skin after she dieted off the fat?
they should be euthanasia i think, but lets do the theory anyway :D
they wouldnt stand through it i think, they so far gone they feel like they faint out when they dont have a 3000calorie snack.
theyll try fat lipo like that fatso i know who gained it all back within a year.good job.
then theres gastro surgery but even that can bo reverted by an efficient fatso.
the diet would be too lenient for them imo, they basicaly have eaten upfront enough for their lives, but i bet theyd have some radical results.
the tv shows put them on 4000calorie diets etc, this is all stupid, they will never ever get lean like that,either they change to eating less long term(forever)or its doomed to fail.
i know 1 girlwho did this diet and she went from 200lbs pig that you wouldnt touch with nuclear safety gloves to one of the hottest women walking this nation (not joking) at a lean 130lbs, she did precisely this diet, trained a bit, and hasnt lost muscle, well she never had any muscle worth mentioning, but it worked even for tiny framed girl, and needless to say she transformed within what,2 or 3 months it took.
the very fat ppl im not even sure they deserve help, someone who lets themselves go that far is stupid and beyond help, they only seek help when some health issues arise, when insulin, fatty liver and metabolic syndrome hits in, when they get pains from blood pressure,ie, when the shit hits the fan.
the health insurances should be forced to put such cases under the wings of guys like noone and me.
your idea is not even so off, this diet is precisely what they should be doing, the other stuff will fail, nobody in the world has gotten reasonably lean on 4000calories.i mean fuck, 4000cals is 4 full size pizzas with everything on it every day.
i seen them, the 5foot10ers who weight in at 300lbs, doing the diets where you eat everything just less, they all still very fat after a yaer.
another thing, kevin levrone a monster, dieted on brokli and fish only, troy alves diets on 2000cals for 16weeks, yet somegymrats and naturals think 2500cals will work fine for them.
hahaha ;D
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galeniko, when do you cut the alcohol out of your diet
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what kind of juice do you recommend
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theres a place and time to blast and try stuff, but overall it leads to more problems than rewards.
ped should be the helping tool, not the base.
i do understand if one works with insulin, t3, gh ,steroids, that this will give good gains, but is that needed to get to my level?i dont think so.
if one doesnt want be a pro, he eventually has to settle down at some level.
if one wants go pro, then the gh15 approach would kinda make sense, even though hes misleading some suckers.but hes not wrong on everything, but fuck that, i cant "endorse" what those people are doing,hell no.
Do you think that anything more than 250-400mg of test and some bold/tren (doses like 150-300mg/week max) are needed for anyone to look good, be big, strong et cetera? Not talking about competetive bodybuilding, just all around good physique like this:
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He's around 10% bf, physique and bodyfat wise that's everything I need.
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they should be euthanasia i think, but lets do the theory anyway :D
they wouldnt stand through it i think, they so far gone they feel like they faint out when they dont have a 3000calorie snack.
theyll try fat lipo like that fatso i know who gained it all back within a year.good job.
then theres gastro surgery but even that can bo reverted by an efficient fatso.
the diet would be too lenient for them imo, they basicaly have eaten upfront enough for their lives, but i bet theyd have some radical results.
the tv shows put them on 4000calorie diets etc, this is all stupid, they will never ever get lean like that,either they change to eating less long term(forever)or its doomed to fail.
i know 1 girlwho did this diet and she went from 200lbs pig that you wouldnt touch with nuclear safety gloves to one of the hottest women walking this nation (not joking) at a lean 130lbs, she did precisely this diet, trained a bit, and hasnt lost muscle, well she never had any muscle worth mentioning, but it worked even for tiny framed girl, and needless to say she transformed within what,2 or 3 months it took.
the very fat ppl im not even sure they deserve help, someone who lets themselves go that far is stupid and beyond help, they only seek help when some health issues arise, when insulin, fatty liver and metabolic syndrome hits in, when they get pains from blood pressure,ie, when the shit hits the fan.
the health insurances should be forced to put such cases under the wings of guys like noone and me.
your idea is not even so off, this diet is precisely what they should be doing, the other stuff will fail, nobody in the world has gotten reasonably lean on 4000calories.i mean fuck, 4000cals is 4 full size pizzas with everything on it every day.
i seen them, the 5foot10ers who weight in at 300lbs, doing the diets where you eat everything just less, they all still very fat after a yaer.
another thing, kevin levrone a monster, dieted on brokli and fish only, troy alves diets on 2000cals for 16weeks, yet somegymrats and naturals think 2500cals will work fine for them.
hahaha ;D
THIS is he hallmark of the TA's principles ??? ??? ??? How can you argue?
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Do you think that anything more than 250-400mg of test and some bold/tren (doses like 150-300mg/week max) are needed for anyone to look good, be big, strong et cetera? Not talking about competetive bodybuilding, just all around good physique like this:
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He's around 10% bf, physique and bodyfat wise that's everything I need.
GUY IS PUT TOGETHER WELL...COOL BUILD,,
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NATURALS NEED HIGH PROTEION, LOT EGG, LOTS CHICKIN
EAT EVERYTHING AND STAY UNDER 2500 CALORIE IS BULLSHIT
U WILL NOT GAIN WEIGHT BUT U WILL LOSE MUSSSLE
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I met one of the coaches from those stupid biggest loser makeover tv shows when i lived in la... he used to be an Npc bber and his real regime is drugs, low cals and moderate cardio. On the shows they need to make it dramatic so the pigs are given a lot to eat then do cardio an stupid crossshit workouts for five hours a day, watching a bunch of ppl sit in a room not eatin would make poor tv
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today in the gym, there was this one natural whos 15% or so and trains very "hard", he cusses and stuff, motivates himself before every set like millions are at the stake, and complains about joint issues and how he cant train his arms full out.
i thought he looks like shit either way whats his problem, and hes the prime example that all dedication in training is worthless, he prolly eats those broscience diets with plenty of carbs(to always be full and have power for workout hahahaha).
not saying naturals cant look good,they can, but most ppl dont even train properly, let alone diet.
Have him pm me - Ill help set him right. :D :D :D
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natural men dont lift.................... ..this one does!
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He's around 10% bf, physique and bodyfat wise that's everything I need.
I'd be happy to have a physique like his. Not everybody desires the same look. I always wanted to be big. I've been cut and skinny. I didn't like how I looked.
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GAL diet still.... I think so many people get confused.... they believe when they are say 220 for example and don't have abs they will be shredded when losing 20 pounds.... not true... a lot of people have a lot less muscle than they believe, all the fat layered on it makes your shirt tighter and you to think you are a bigger man.
1500 cals a day still and one 24 hour fast per week.
Stronger in some lifts at the gym.... dont know how its possible.
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GAL diet still.... I think so many people get confused.... they believe when they are say 220 for example and don't have abs they will be shredded when losing 20 pounds.... not true... a lot of people have a lot less muscle than they believe, all the fat layered on it makes your shirt tighter and you to think you are a bigger man.
1500 cals a day still and one 24 hour fast per week.
Stronger in some lifts at the gym.... dont know how its possible.
GOOD BUILD,SEE UR CLEAN BY YOUR DELTS..BETTER PIC WOULD HELP,AT LEAST THE WINDOWS CLEAN GOOD REFLECTION ;D..
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GAL diet still.... I think so many people get confused.... they believe when they are say 220 for example and don't have abs they will be shredded when losing 20 pounds.... not true... a lot of people have a lot less muscle than they believe, all the fat layered on it makes your shirt tighter and you to think you are a bigger man.
1500 cals a day still and one 24 hour fast per week.
Stronger in some lifts at the gym.... dont know how its possible.
props dude. changes come quick eh? lol
gal and i address in the book some of the 'how can it work so well when it isnt supposed to work at all' esp when you grind your cals right down to 800 over 3-4 days. thats when the real magic happens. ;)
then when you get to 6 theres a whole bag of tricks to get you to gals bf level and MAINTAIN IT. im talking walking around for an indeterminal amount of time at 5% or less. impossible they say. thats cause they dont know what we know.
i can honestly promise anyone reading this that this book will change your life. that is no bullshit. you'll be able to have and maintain the body you have always wanted. thats a big deal. thats the holy grail of this sport. its why we train- to look great. for personal accomplishment. for pride of self. revolutionary to the point of life changing.
i cant wait to get this book out to everyone.
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heres a teaser.
im a pretty private guy. if im posting this pic, its only to prove the strength of what we are doing here. i fell into the worse shape of my life this winter after an umbilical hernia repair that left me shelved for almost 2 months.
this was where i started when i got back on the horse and started dieting 5 weeks ago.
even gal has not seen this pic yet.
this pic is half the reason i say this system is life changing.
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this is where i was after roughly 3.5-4 weeks in the system, about 10 days ago or so. this is how fast the changes come.
before everyone screams 'anabolics'. my dose increased 350mg over the fat pic. i'll tell you exactly what in the book. and it's exactly 1/4 of what i took to build it all over the past decade. so much for muscle atrophy.
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i'll post my last pic when im where gal is at. in 2 more weeks or so. so that'll be 6-7 weeks in the system from about 10-12% that first pic to a true sub 5%.
from what i have told him- as he still hasnt seen my progress- he figures im close to 'there'- ive told him things i am experiencing that he never mentioned in this thread, or to me, so he knows im very close. but if im going to post a 'finished' pic its going to leave zero doubt about the power of what we have here. cause what i just posted is only the tip of the ice berg. believe that.
you'll lose muscle. you cant grow in a deficit. you cant maintain it. you'll have no energy. you'll rebound. so many myths getting shattered its ridiculous.
the other thing i have noticed this diet actually etches detail in you that otherwise would be non existent. this detail gives you a massively freakish look. like nothing i have ever experienced. it almost like theres a very small layer of fat that surrounds the bellies at the insertions. this severe deficit for some reason pulls that fat out accentuating not only the degree of leanness, but your actual size. theres a sharpness most guys who compete on the day of dont have, even with the use of diureitcs and water manipulation, there is a very definite etching which leaves me to believe my hypothesis about this minisicule layer of fat between the bellies and the skin that only gets targeted in a severe deficit might be close to the truth as i have no other way to explain it.
but a pic is worth a 1000 words. you'll see soon enough.
cheers.
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haha this was worse than i tought haahhaahah, this almost beats the fatleniko ;D
looking absolutely great there,this is more or less my bodyfat level.with more size.
8)
lol now you know why i didnt want to show anyone holy fuck get out the harpoons. :D
wait bro. that last pic was 10 days ago, so you were right about the chicken breast ;)
two more weeks i'll post the finished one. then any doubts one might have about it working for them will be laid to rest, as if the 4 week change isnt enough. but for me its not. i want to show the guys who compete what is possible. two vastly different structures, metabolic rates, degrees of lean tissue, one system, and the same result.
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I m trying to get to 6% natural - kill or be killed
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I m trying to get to 6% natural - kill or be killed
can be done,,,
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this is where i was after roughly 3.5-4 weeks in the system, about 10 days ago or so. this is how fast the changes come.
before everyone screams 'anabolics'. my dose increased 350mg over the fat pic. i'll tell you exactly what in the book. and it's exactly 1/4 of what i took to build it all over the past decade. so much for muscle atrophy.
nice delts no one,,small waist ,tris in detail long and tied in delt and elbow line,good build really....i seen other pics so the out of shape pic caught me by suprise,,,
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nice delts no one,,small waist ,tris in detail long and tied in delt and elbow line,good build really....i seen other pics so the out of shape pic caught me by suprise,,,
ya dude. hernia repair is no joke. zero weights. i went to shit.
just these two pics should show people that no matter where you start, no matter how fat or how sedentary in as little as 4 weeks you can have a very respectable bf level.
the last pic i'll post will show that fat to sub5 isnt a pipe dream. and all in 6-7 weeks. half the time of conventional 'diets'
thanks for the props dude. oh and as for the waist i mentioned that to gal, my torso width is shrinking. its like in the post where i mention the fat around the bellies? its like this deficit targets fat you otherwise would hold no matter how lean you are. my torso has actually sucked in. and tightned up. theres something very weird going on here for lack of a better word.thats what i meant by it almost changes your structure by targeting that fat. so picture that fat getting stripped off around the bellies between the skin and the insertions, the while your torso vaccuums for lack of a better word. thats where the magic happens.
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seems like its working,eh?
i think this is the finalnail into the doubters coffin :D
final nail in two weeks ;) this was just the coffin. :D
thats about 235 ish on my low days. if i took a few days to fill out, i'd prolly be close to 240ish. at least. considering how depleted i am. i havent shit in 4 days. :D
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you know, this makes we wanna go deliberately out of shape,and simply come back within couple weeks into full shreddedness, but the maintenance is too easy, and those veins on the serratus are too nice sight to just give up ;D
btw i think in the fat pic youre even fatter than 12%.quite ;D
as for natural going to 6%, yeah thats the max id try as natty, and its not so hard, youll have less lethargy issues when not on gear.
hahaha its bad eh bro. good. it should be bad. it'll show people what this is WORKS. period.
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I think you were more than 12% on that first photo, this is where I am at this stage, very similar.
Great progress nevertheless, well done.
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I've seen that one ;D
Have to tell you this guys, I have been reading Getbig on and off for a last 10 years, mostly for a bit of laugh on a daily basis as this place is unique in every sense of it.
What made me to sign up is this topic as I wanted to thank you for all the info you put in these 72 pages.
I have been lifting weights (yes lifting weights, not bodybuild) for a long time and due to luck of discipline I was never able to go below 10% of body fat.
Mind you, I am in my forties, married, have a kid, run a business and it is not easy to commit yourself to achieve less than 10% (another excuse).
But this topic gave me that spark I needed and since Monday I have been dieting as per you recommendations with a daily intake of about 1300 calories, which is a half of my normal intake.
I will push myself and see how far I can go.
Currently I weigh 250 pounds on 6'5", not interested in 'supplements' or size, just to see my 6 pack.
Gal, at the end something for you:
Stoji Crnogorac za barom u disku, gleda okolo i spazi djevojku sto sjedi za stolom.
Pridje joj i upita je:
'Os plesat?'
Kaze ona 'hocu'
Na to joj crnogorac odgovori
'ajd sta cekas, diz se pa da ja sjednem' ;D
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I met one of the coaches from those stupid biggest loser makeover tv shows when i lived in la... he used to be an Npc bber and his real regime is drugs, low cals and moderate cardio. On the shows they need to make it dramatic so the pigs are given a lot to eat then do cardio an stupid crossshit workouts for five hours a day, watching a bunch of ppl sit in a room not eatin would make poor tv
THIS
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gal and no one
what's my bodyfat here ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
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bodyfat 5%
muscle 3%
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lol
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gal and no one
what's my bodyfat here ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
fuck off you needy little prick
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heres a teaser.
im a pretty private guy. if im posting this pic, its only to prove the strength of what we are doing here. i fell into the worse shape of my life this winter after an umbilical hernia repair that left me shelved for almost 2 months.
this was where i started when i got back on the horse and started dieting 5 weeks ago.
even gal has not seen this pic yet.
this pic is half the reason i say this system is life changing.
Looking good. You managed to conceal your scar in the photo. How's it healing?
I have been applying Coca butter to my prostatectomy incisions with a fair amount of success. Of course the less fat on your stomach, the less noticeable the scars.
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ya dude. hernia repair is no joke. zero weights. i went to shit.
just these two pics should show people that no matter where you start, no matter how fat or how sedentary in as little as 4 weeks you can have a very respectable bf level.
the last pic i'll post will show that fat to sub5 isnt a pipe dream. and all in 6-7 weeks. half the time of conventional 'diets'
thanks for the props dude. oh and as for the waist i mentioned that to gal, my torso width is shrinking. its like in the post where i mention the fat around the bellies? its like this deficit targets fat you otherwise would hold no matter how lean you are. my torso has actually sucked in. and tightned up. theres something very weird going on here for lack of a better word.thats what i meant by it almost changes your structure by targeting that fat. so picture that fat getting stripped off around the bellies between the skin and the insertions, the while your torso vaccuums for lack of a better word. thats where the magic happens.
I have a meniscal tear in my right knee. For months it was killing me until I found out what the problem was. Now it is just a bit sore. I see the orthopedist on July 8. My fucking legs are weak, I don't want to be laid up for awhile not being able to do leg work. Maybe I could just live with the pain.
Speaking of mid sections. Mine is looking much tighter then when I posted a photo six or so weeks ago. My measurements have only slightly changed. What is the deal with internal fat, you know like so many pros have. There abs are ripped and yet they still look 10 months pregnant with triplets? How do you loose this?
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bodyfat 5%
muscle 3%
You look great naked. How do you look in clothes? I would freak out if I were ever to get to the point you are in this photo. I was there when I was a kid and I never hope to be there again.
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fuck off you needy little prick
wasn't talking to you shit-fer-brains
so go fuck yourself
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fuck off you needy little prick
Ahahahaha!!!
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gal and no one
what's my bodyfat here ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
Did you happen to notice that there is a little bit of fat on your ass which is hanging over the top of your jeans?
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Did you happen to notice that there is a little bit of fat on your ass which is hanging over the top of your jeans?
No that's his whole ass.
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No that's his whole ass.
lol
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i had to go to my niece's birthday party yesterday, ended up having steak, bread, chips, cake, ice cream... the whole nine yards, BUT
i still kept a little bit of a lid on it -- could have easily eaten 4x as much, and would have, prior to reading some of the things in this thread, lol.
today i was still somehow another .4 lbs lighter compared to yesterday. i don't think i've ever had arms this vascular before. striations coming in nicely on the triceps. i want to see if i can get good separation in my quads and hams. this is something i've NEVER had, but would like to get...
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gal and no one
what's my bodyfat here ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
Loved you in "the machinist"
(http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Christian%20Bale%20in%20The%20Machinist.jpg)
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wasn't talking to you shit-fer-brains
so go fuck yourself
one day I will hunt you down and snap you like a twig
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one day I will hunt you down and snap you like a twig
Do you want to borrow my tommee tippee nail clippers bigmc?
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Do you want to borrow my tommee tippee nail clippers bigmc?
hha yes cyp I have pipe cleaners with more muscle that bjupthebum
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bodyfat 5%
muscle 3%
;D
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Hahaha dj1inchthick being thrown around like a game of BopIt in this thread
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No one ....curious if you would post the actual diet you have followed during this period for us to look at ? Great job and amazing results in such a short period ........Gal , wouldn't be cheating when coming down from the place where you started ......were using the 3-4 days of 800-1200 cals ..then the one maintance type cheat meal on the forth night ..? Was any cardio involved in your transformation ? Or actual fasts ? You came down so quick yet your skin seems tight ......good for you .....Look forward to your response .....Thanks to You and Gal.......this has been a very interesting and informative thread .....
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No one ....curious if you would post the actual diet you have followed during this period for us to look at ? Great job and amazing results in such a short period ........Gal , wouldn't be cheating when coming down from the place where you started ......were using the 3-4 days of 800-1200 cals ..then the one maintance type cheat meal on the forth night ..? Was any cardio involved in your transformation ? Or actual fasts ? You came down so quick yet your skin seems tight ......good for you .....Look forward to your response .....Thanks to You and Gal.......this has been a very interesting and informative thread .....
If I remember correctly, no one only uses 3 whole foods in total for his diet (doesn't eat for taste) and uses only protein powder for his protein sources, mixed into coffee.
Gal on the other hand favours a 90% cocaine / 10% malboro lights combo, with one day a week of 10,000 kcal binging on melted ice cream with chocolate bars mixed in.
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If I remember correctly, no one only uses 3 whole foods in total for his diet (doesn't eat for taste) and uses only protein powder for his protein sources, mixed into coffee.
Gal on the other hand favours a 90% cocaine / 10% malboro lights combo, with one day a week of 10,000 kcal binging on melted ice cream with chocolate bars mixed in.
hahaha I actually spat my coffee all over my celltech ;D
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check out this guy
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/damir7.jpg) (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/hadabusa/media/damir7.jpg.html)
Gal - what bf would you say that pic is?
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Gal - what bf would you say that pic is?
12-14 BUT WITH 2 TOP ROW ABS WHICH IS STILL PRETTY GOOD,OVER THAT BODYFAT CHEST HAS SOFT CONDITION AND SHAPE LOSES THAT WRAPPED LOOK TO IT AROUND CHEST/CENTER DEFINITION ...
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gal and no one
what's my bodyfat here ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
hard to tell from that pic dude the lighting is awkward. but i can tell you one thing. you were doing 'something' wrong. not bagging on you like i normally do this is straight goods.
i'd say if pushed 5 or so? but maybe 6. see that area on your back above your belt line? thats not good. whats happened is that your body went into a bad state. that tells me you lost lean during your diet cause your skin did not tighten up and actually is holding onto fat.. this is very important. if your skin is not tightening up but instead becoming looser thats indicative of fatty deposits the body is holding onto for what ever reason. its not 'just skin' or 'just water'. its fat. and i can guarantee that if you had kept dieting the way you were, you would have continued to lose lean tissue, and that area would not have tightened up. as you get leaner your skin should start to shrink wrap on you. i mentioned the fatty deposits that the severe deficit targets at the insertions around the bellies? this is apart of that. see how you not crisp?. your lean, but not etched. theres an etching that occurs that looks like someone took a number 2 pencil and actually shaded and accentuated each muscle group.
the skin thing we'll cover more in the book. there are little things to watch for along the way. this gave me a chance to bring it up as we havent spoken of it yet in this thread.
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No one ....curious if you would post the actual diet you have followed during this period for us to look at ? Great job and amazing results in such a short period ........Gal , wouldn't be cheating when coming down from the place where you started ......were using the 3-4 days of 800-1200 cals ..then the one maintance type cheat meal on the forth night ..? Was any cardio involved in your transformation ? Or actual fasts ? You came down so quick yet your skin seems tight ......good for you .....Look forward to your response .....Thanks to You and Gal.......this has been a very interesting and informative thread .....
is this iabad from promusc?
i'll lay it out with one caveat at the end :)
basically gal and i use the same system, with different foods at the start.
when i started 5 weeks ago, i kept my cals to 800-1000 a day. every 4 days i'd have a meal to my maintenance of whatever i wanted. i used fats on my low days as opposed to carbs.i used almonds cause i dont like them and they filled me up, protein powder in coffee as an appetite suppressant and natural peanut butter. fuck i love that stuff. basically what i would do is just kill my appetite with these foods. when i started to get hungry, eat some almonds and wait. or have a coffee protein and wait. or a tsp of pb and wait and force my body to go to its fat stores for fuel.
it sounds like i was suffering right? no on the contrary. tif you have been following the thread one of the key components is the no energy lag going to 6%- like zero. you feel like your on speed in this severe a deficit. could be part dopamine release from the body being under such 'imaginary' severe stress? i say imaginary, as it will freak out- imagine going from eating 3-4k cal a day to 1/4 of that. its not that the body needed those cals, but it got used to them. it relied on them for fuel. then you force it into a state of functioning where it needs to fuel itself on your own fat stores. i think there night be a dopamine release triggered by that, or the body becomes remarkably adept at converting adipose tissue to fuel, or both.
now that was to get to about a condition that was a a bit better than the last pic i posted. for the past week or so i've changed the foods i eat, the timings, and the durations of the fast pre and post workout. we mentioned the game changes at 6% trying to get below 5. the body becomes resilliant. so you have to work with it instead of against it. what recourse do it do? cut cals more? not likely. so you alter timings and other variables within the system to keep it on track. i still have a protein/ coffee or two a day. i enjoy the taste. i've cut the almonds out almost completely. i've kept the peanut butter in and im using chicken now for the protein source.
another tweak is that there is a cal adjustment on the meal to maintenance day one you get below 6. and that adding in as little as 700cal on your low days and bumping it up to 1500 cals makes you feel godly (not on all low days just here and there when your ass is dragging, cause you'll hit a lethargy thats nevber existed above 6). like you cannot believe how good you look 2 hrs just after eating an extra 500 cal of chicken breast. breast dude. not carbs not fat breast. gal noticed it too. in a severe deficit- im talking 800-100cal a day. im a 235ish pound guy. thats severe.
i see guys still dieting on 1500 cals in here. let go of those cals you dont need them guys- what do you need those cals for? energy? no your fatty tissue will supply that. you dont need the cals to 'preserve muscle' like you have all been brainwashed into thinking decades. the body will not use the protein you are giving it for fuel in this scenario. your body hoards it. why and how? well, what does your body do after a show that you have dropped your water. hoards water. why? cause water preforms a function in the body and it doesnt want it to lose it again. so, what do we do with the cals. same thing. your body hoards the protein in this mode so it can build lean tissue. for some reason the body doesnt recognise the protein as a calorie but as a macronutrient use to create and preserve lean tissue in a period of severe stress- working out and dieting. how fucking amazing is that?
in my fat pic i was 245 pounds. i'd say there was an 8% swing in my bf level between that pic and where i sit today 5 weeks later. thats a 19 pound swing in fat. if i filled up for a few days id easily hit 240. so we can discount the water being an issue on either side as it balances out now. so, thats a 5 pounds difference in starting body weights. but it should be 19. all i have done is upped my dose from the fat pic 350mg a week. my go-to stack back in the day was 700ace/700 prop/350var or drol. this was my 'walking around' stack so my body is very used to hormones, so its not response we are talking here. im about a 1/3-1/4 less on a mg per basis. so if it isnt the hormones that has created this environment what is it? fucked if i know, but our protein sparing/ partitioning theory is about as good as it gets in the way of an explanation. like i said, we are not 'science' guys we are 'do it' guys. to many people out there are not realising their full potentials by listening to the 'science' the science is fucking bullshit. throw all the science out the fucking window and wipe the slate clean and start over with a mind thats a sponge and accept rather than explain. thats where you'll find yourself breaking down barriers.
the reason i have cut my anabolics so severely is a strictly personal reason and that simply cause i dont want to look like a bber anymore. i hate that look.i have a very specific look in kind and i'll post my final pic when i get it. its a cross between athletic/muscular and bodybuilder/muscular- a hybrid of athletic/ bber is guess. and thats what i cover in the book too- using compounds within the system to achieve certain looks, not just the doses but the compounds themselves, and combinations. make no mistake i could be walking around at 250+ as lean as i am today using this system and thats no joke. i choose not to. what gal and realised in all of this in all this was that you dont need all that shit (mega dosing anabolics) in a severe deficit to maintain or even create new growth. the body is an an environment primed for growth in this severe a deficit given factors i have previously mentioned. can you name another diet that does that? makes you grow in a severe deficit on 1/3 the compounds that it took you to crate the tissue your holding. it should not be possible. but it is.
dude everything we are doing is ground breaking. nothing like this has ever been done. cause its impossible. lol
oh and no cardio. :)
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If I remember correctly, no one only uses 3 whole foods in total for his diet (doesn't eat for taste) and uses only protein powder for his protein sources, mixed into coffee.
Gal on the other hand favours a 90% cocaine / 10% malboro lights combo, with one day a week of 10,000 kcal binging on melted ice cream with chocolate bars mixed in.
hahahha you fucking guys kill me :D
'im going to find you one day and snap you like a twig' bahahahahaha
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What if someone did the following...
- Intermittent fasting for most of the day,
- eat in a 4-6hr window.
- Eat 400-500cals ( 25g protein + 100g carbs)
- Inject 10-15iu slin
- Workout
- Eat 400-500cals (25g protein + 100g carbs)
Do this till you reach desired goal.
Thoughts?
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to best explain the 'etching' im talking about that occurs once you get low, picture serge nubret in his prime. see how his muscles looked like they were actually outlined with a number 2 pencil? the crispness and the sharpness of it? thats the type of conditioning that comes from a severe deficit. not 2000cals a day and cardio and mega dosing gh, t3 and tren to get lean.
these are all photos from the 70's. imagine how sharp hed look in real life without the grainy quality of the photos dulling his lines, and hes still ridiculously etched. and hes standing about as relaxed as person can stand in that second pic. thats impressive. what we have found is that this look only comes from a severe deficit. not drugs.
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What if someone did the following...
- Intermittent fasting for most of the day,
- eat in a 4-6hr window.
- Eat 400-500cals ( 25g protein + 100g carbs)
- Inject 10-15iu slin
- Workout
- Eat 400-500cals (25g protein + 100g carbs)
Do this till you reach desired goal.
Thoughts?
not enough protein
Also slin does not work well on low calories as the point of slin is to release everything running in your blood stream into the muscle, flood the gorge muscle with blood bringing in all the nutrients but if your blood is not flooded with nutrients because you are depleted then it is not worth it.
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What if someone did the following...
- Intermittent fasting for most of the day,
- eat in a 4-6hr window.
- Eat 400-500cals ( 25g protein + 100g carbs)
- Inject 10-15iu slin
- Workout
- Eat 400-500cals (25g protein + 100g carbs)
Do this till you reach desired goal.
Thoughts?
this has nothing to do with what we are advocating here. i will not answer questions on insulin use as i feel it has ZERO place in bodybuilding. and this is coming from a guy who is familiar enough with it to use 7iu of log pwo in a zero carb diet.
sorry bro i like you we have pm'd but you are missing the whole point of what this system does, and the environment it creates or else you wouldnt be asking about using it. YOU DONT NEED IT. :D
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is this iabad from promusc?
i'll lay it out with one caveat at the end :)
basically gal and i use the same system, with different foods at the start.
when i started 5 weeks ago, i kept my cals to 800-1000 a day. every 4 days i'd have a meal to my maintenance of whatever i wanted. i used fats on my low days as opposed to carbs.i used almonds cause i dont like them and they filled me up, protein powder in coffee as an appetite suppressant and natural peanut butter. fuck i love that stuff. basically what i would do is just kill my appetite with these foods. when i started to get hungry, eat some almonds and wait. or have a coffee protein and wait. or a tsp of pb and wait and force my body to go to its fat stores for fuel.
it sounds like i was suffering right? no on the contrary. tif you have been following the thread one of the key components is the no energy lag going to 6%- like zero. you feel like your on speed in this severe a deficit. could be part dopamine release from the body being under such 'imaginary' severe stress? i say imaginary, as it will freak out- imagine going from eating 3-4k cal a day to 1/4 of that. its not that the body needed those cals, but it got used to them. it relied on them for fuel. then you force it into a state of functioning where it needs to fuel itself on your own fat stores. i think there night be a dopamine release triggered by that, or the body becomes remarkably adept at converting adipose tissue to fuel, or both.
now that was to get to about a condition that was a a bit better than the last pic i posted. for the past week or so i've changed the foods i eat, the timings, and the durations of the fast pre and post workout. we mentioned the game changes at 6% trying to get below 5. the body becomes resilliant. so you have to work with it instead of against it. what recourse do it do? cut cals more? not likely. so you alter timings and other variables within the system to keep it on track. i still have a protein/ coffee or two a day. i enjoy the taste. i've cut the almonds out almost completely. i've kept the peanut butter in and im using chicken now for the protein source.
another tweak is that there is a cal adjustment on the meal to maintenance day one you get below 6. and that adding in as little as 700cal on your low days and bumping it up to 1500 cals makes you feel godly (not on all low days just here and there when your ass is dragging, cause you'll hit a lethargy thats nevber existed above 6). like you cannot believe how good you look 2 hrs just after eating an extra 500 cal of chicken breast. breast dude. not carbs not fat breast. gal noticed it too. in a severe deficit- im talking 800-100cal a day. im a 235ish pound guy. thats severe.
i see guys still dieting on 1500 cals in here. let go of those cals you dont need them guys- what do you need those cals for? energy? no your fatty tissue will supply that. you dont need the cals to 'preserve muscle' like you have all been brainwashed into thinking decades. the body will not use the protein you are giving it for fuel in this scenario. your body hoards it. why and how? well, what does your body do after a show that you have dropped your water. hoards water. why? cause water preforms a function in the body and it doesnt want it to lose it again. so, what do we do with the cals. same thing. your body hoards the protein in this mode so it can build lean tissue. for some reason the body doesnt recognise the protein as a calorie but as a macronutrient use to create and preserve lean tissue in a period of severe stress- working out and dieting. how fucking amazing is that?
in my fat pic i was 245 pounds. i'd say there was an 8% swing in my bf level between that pic and where i sit today 5 weeks later. thats a 19 pound swing in fat. if i filled up for a few days id easily hit 240. so we can discount the water being an issue on either side as it balances out now. so, thats a 5 pounds difference in starting body weights. but it should be 19. all i have done is upped my dose from the fat pic 350mg a week. my go-to stack back in the day was 700ace/700 prop/350var or drol. this was my 'walking around' stack so my body is very used to hormones, so its not response we are talking here. im about a 1/3-1/4 less on a mg per basis. so if it isnt the hormones that has created this environment what is it? fucked if i know, but our protein sparing/ partitioning theory is about as good as it gets in the way of an explanation. like i said, we are not 'science' guys we are 'do it' guys. to many people out there are not realising their full potentials by listening to the 'science' the science is fucking bullshit. throw all the science out the fucking window and wipe the slate clean and start over with a mind thats a sponge and accept rather than explain. thats where you'll find yourself breaking down barriers.
the reason i have cut my anabolics so severely is a strictly personal reason and that simply cause i dont want to look like a bber anymore. i hate that look.i have a very specific look in kind and i'll post my final pic when i get it. its a cross between athletic/muscular and bodybuilder/muscular- a hybrid of athletic/ bber is guess. and thats what i cover in the book too- using compounds within the system to achieve certain looks, not just the doses but the compounds themselves, and combinations. make no mistake i could be walking around at 250+ as lean as i am today using this system and thats no joke. i choose not to. what gal and realised in all of this in all this was that you dont need all that shit (mega dosing anabolics) in a severe deficit to maintain or even create new growth. the body is an an environment primed for growth in this severe a deficit given factors i have previously mentioned. can you name another diet that does that? makes you grow in a severe deficit on 1/3 the compounds that it took you to crate the tissue your holding. it should not be possible. but it is.
dude everything we are doing is ground breaking. nothing like this has ever been done. cause its impossible. lol
oh and no cardio. :)
Very good post, thanks for typing this one up.
Here's my question for you no one; I'm currently dieting (now for 10 weeks) on 1800-1900 a day MAX. Now that's a deficit for me, according to my BMR of just over 3500 kcals a week (supposedly one pound of fat)
After the first couple weeks dieting, when I lost about 4 pounds a week water/fat/glucose lol, I have levelled off nicely to continue losing about 1.5 pounds of fat per week, so altogether in 10 weeks i've lost over 25 pounds.
Slow, maybe, but very surely and I'm now at 9% bodyfat looking lean.
You said about why eat 1500 kcals, when you only need 800 etc etc, obviously this brings a bigger deficit and forces your body to eat MORE fat, and store MORE protein - hence the great effects your seeing. SO, what you're doing differently is just an extreme version of what most do.......with a 'maintenance day of 1500' to boost metabolism, and help training?
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this has nothing to do with what we are advocating here. i will not answer questions on insulin use as i feel it has ZERO place in bodybuilding. and this is coming from a guy who is familiar enough with it to use 7iu of log pwo in a zero carb diet.
sorry bro i like you we have pm'd but you are missing the whole point of what this system does, and the environment it creates or else you wouldnt be asking about using it. YOU DONT NEED IT. :D
At the top levels in bodybuilding insulin is very necessary
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one day I will hunt you down and snap you like a twig
I fear a gust of wind will beat you to it.
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Thank you guys for the clarification...
Although this whole talk of slin not belonging in bodybuilding should be discussed in a separate thread. Would be interesting topic.
As my research suggest GH is largely a waste without slin.
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Thank you guys for the clarification...
Although this whole talk of slin not belonging in bodybuilding should be discussed in a separate thread. Would be interesting topic.
As my research suggest GH is largely a waste without slin.
I will make a slin thread soon with discussion on how the pros use it, different protocols and how it all works ;)
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I will make slin thread soon with discussion on how the pros use it, different protocols and how it all works ;)
fuck the pro's bro. you know damn well that shit is bad for bodybuilding. it may be "needed in the top levels" based on current judging criteria but that is exactly why judging criteria needs to be fucken changed.
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I will make a slin thread soon with discussion on how the pros use it, different protocols and how it all works ;)
Hasn't Bostin Loyd covered it? ;D
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fuck the pro's bro. you know damn well that shit is bad for bodybuilding. it may be "needed in the top levels" based on current judging criteria but that is exactly why judging criteria needs to be fucken changed.
You don't like what your watching change the channel bro.
it is what it is. This is the game being played whether you like it or not. Get over it, in the mean time people want to know how the pros incorporate it and other aspects of it, maybe out of curiosity or maybe cause they want to try it, to each their own.
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How many calories is this crazy shit?
http://training.goruck.com/nutrition-rocket-fuel-aka-smoothies/#comments
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Galeniko / no one:
One problem I have with dieting is being fucking cold all the time. Even in the middle of summer. Wouldn't that be 10 times worse on this diet?
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2 iu of pharm or 5iu of chinashit helps sleep and healing for us 35+ older lifters. Other than that it's really over-rated. If I wasn't GH deficient and had joint problems from years of lifting like a retard I doubt I'd use it.. so expensive when var and t3 + eca do pretty much the same thing for Leans
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Very good post, thanks for typing this one up.
Here's my question for you no one; I'm currently dieting (now for 10 weeks) on 1800-1900 a day MAX. Now that's a deficit for me, according to my BMR of just over 3500 kcals a week (supposedly one pound of fat)
After the first couple weeks dieting, when I lost about 4 pounds a week water/fat/glucose lol, I have levelled off nicely to continue losing about 1.5 pounds of fat per week, so altogether in 10 weeks i've lost over 25 pounds.
Slow, maybe, but very surely and I'm now at 9% bodyfat looking lean.
You said about why eat 1500 kcals, when you only need 800 etc etc, obviously this brings a bigger deficit and forces your body to eat MORE fat, and store MORE protein - hence the great effects your seeing. SO, what you're doing differently is just an extreme version of what most do.......with a 'maintenance day of 1500' to boost metabolism, and help training?
so, typically we run, up until 6% 800-1000 cal a day. most preps run twice that. at least this is the first major difference.
second major difference is that the severe calorie deficit for some reason causes the body to partition much more effectively. this is a massive difference, cause this just doesnt happen on a regular 1500-2000cal diet. theres too many cal for your body to use the protein for anabolism it gets efficiently, as it knows theres always more coming so it doesnt utiliise it, it wastes it. here in this situation it hoards it and utilises it to repair the stress we have put it under, ie training, resulting in oddly enough a remarkable amount of lean tissue retention, and in my experience the creation of more.
throw bmrs out the window they are useless. the body needs surprising little cals to do its work.
the boost meal to 1500 mid low cycle only should be used after 6%. you experience a lag after 6% that this will help you with.
we fast for typically 24-36 hours after 6%. sometimes as many as half that deficit post workout.
we dont do cardio.
man i could go on and on about the differences. this is like nothing ever done before so i cant even begin to compare it with anything else out there.
so i guess i can safely answer that this is not an extreme version of what most do. this is nothing like what anyone does.
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Galeniko / no one:
One problem I have with dieting is being fucking cold all the time. Even in the middle of summer. Wouldn't that be 10 times worse on this diet?
i never noticed this. i'll pay closer attention and get back to you. i can say safely that on your big meal days past 6% you will sweat in bed like you have NEVER sweat before. :D
cool point.
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the best way I can put it BC is that comparing this to anything else would be like saying a cheetah and a boar are the same animal cause they both have 4 legs.
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this sounds pretty much dead on, but its marlboro RED , the lights are for women bro ;D
and before anyone does such a cheat meal randomly, dont,lol, wait till its explained in the book when and how to get away with that,it comes with couple rules to follow :D
And make sure to tear off the filters too for maximum intake of toxic, lung destroying carcinogens. :D
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is this iabad from promusc?
i'll lay it out with one caveat at the end :)
basically gal and i use the same system, with different foods at the start.
when i started 5 weeks ago, i kept my cals to 800-1000 a day. every 4 days i'd have a meal to my maintenance of whatever i wanted. i used fats on my low days as opposed to carbs.i used almonds cause i dont like them and they filled me up, protein powder in coffee as an appetite suppressant and natural peanut butter. fuck i love that stuff. basically what i would do is just kill my appetite with these foods. when i started to get hungry, eat some almonds and wait. or have a coffee protein and wait. or a tsp of pb and wait and force my body to go to its fat stores for fuel.
it sounds like i was suffering right? no on the contrary. tif you have been following the thread one of the key components is the no energy lag going to 6%- like zero. you feel like your on speed in this severe a deficit. could be part dopamine release from the body being under such 'imaginary' severe stress? i say imaginary, as it will freak out- imagine going from eating 3-4k cal a day to 1/4 of that. its not that the body needed those cals, but it got used to them. it relied on them for fuel. then you force it into a state of functioning where it needs to fuel itself on your own fat stores. i think there night be a dopamine release triggered by that, or the body becomes remarkably adept at converting adipose tissue to fuel, or both.
now that was to get to about a condition that was a a bit better than the last pic i posted. for the past week or so i've changed the foods i eat, the timings, and the durations of the fast pre and post workout. we mentioned the game changes at 6% trying to get below 5. the body becomes resilliant. so you have to work with it instead of against it. what recourse do it do? cut cals more? not likely. so you alter timings and other variables within the system to keep it on track. i still have a protein/ coffee or two a day. i enjoy the taste. i've cut the almonds out almost completely. i've kept the peanut butter in and im using chicken now for the protein source.
another tweak is that there is a cal adjustment on the meal to maintenance day one you get below 6. and that adding in as little as 700cal on your low days and bumping it up to 1500 cals makes you feel godly (not on all low days just here and there when your ass is dragging, cause you'll hit a lethargy thats nevber existed above 6). like you cannot believe how good you look 2 hrs just after eating an extra 500 cal of chicken breast. breast dude. not carbs not fat breast. gal noticed it too. in a severe deficit- im talking 800-100cal a day. im a 235ish pound guy. thats severe.
i see guys still dieting on 1500 cals in here. let go of those cals you dont need them guys- what do you need those cals for? energy? no your fatty tissue will supply that. you dont need the cals to 'preserve muscle' like you have all been brainwashed into thinking decades. the body will not use the protein you are giving it for fuel in this scenario. your body hoards it. why and how? well, what does your body do after a show that you have dropped your water. hoards water. why? cause water preforms a function in the body and it doesnt want it to lose it again. so, what do we do with the cals. same thing. your body hoards the protein in this mode so it can build lean tissue. for some reason the body doesnt recognise the protein as a calorie but as a macronutrient use to create and preserve lean tissue in a period of severe stress- working out and dieting. how fucking amazing is that?
in my fat pic i was 245 pounds. i'd say there was an 8% swing in my bf level between that pic and where i sit today 5 weeks later. thats a 19 pound swing in fat. if i filled up for a few days id easily hit 240. so we can discount the water being an issue on either side as it balances out now. so, thats a 5 pounds difference in starting body weights. but it should be 19. all i have done is upped my dose from the fat pic 350mg a week. my go-to stack back in the day was 700ace/700 prop/350var or drol. this was my 'walking around' stack so my body is very used to hormones, so its not response we are talking here. im about a 1/3-1/4 less on a mg per basis. so if it isnt the hormones that has created this environment what is it? fucked if i know, but our protein sparing/ partitioning theory is about as good as it gets in the way of an explanation. like i said, we are not 'science' guys we are 'do it' guys. to many people out there are not realising their full potentials by listening to the 'science' the science is fucking bullshit. throw all the science out the fucking window and wipe the slate clean and start over with a mind thats a sponge and accept rather than explain. thats where you'll find yourself breaking down barriers.
the reason i have cut my anabolics so severely is a strictly personal reason and that simply cause i dont want to look like a bber anymore. i hate that look.i have a very specific look in kind and i'll post my final pic when i get it. its a cross between athletic/muscular and bodybuilder/muscular- a hybrid of athletic/ bber is guess. and thats what i cover in the book too- using compounds within the system to achieve certain looks, not just the doses but the compounds themselves, and combinations. make no mistake i could be walking around at 250+ as lean as i am today using this system and thats no joke. i choose not to. what gal and realised in all of this in all this was that you dont need all that shit (mega dosing anabolics) in a severe deficit to maintain or even create new growth. the body is an an environment primed for growth in this severe a deficit given factors i have previously mentioned. can you name another diet that does that? makes you grow in a severe deficit on 1/3 the compounds that it took you to crate the tissue your holding. it should not be possible. but it is.
dude everything we are doing is ground breaking. nothing like this has ever been done. cause its impossible. lol
oh and no cardio. :)
Great post. Sums everything up.
Having cut it all out (anabolics) for a year I've realized that life goes on, as well as how resilient our bodies are. My "rock bottom" wasn't as deep as I thought it'd be. These irrational fears that have cultivated over the years of dodging catabolic bullets was just a long, drawn out panic attack. Take a moment to think about all of the wasted time, money and health which you won't recuperate, guys. None of it is coming back, so don't repeat the same mistakes.
Regarding "catabolism"; when you're not using glycogen or fat, you lose muscle only the mcg and mg levels. Maybe grams. The body only does this during exceptional circumstances that no one should be worried about 24/7. For fuck sakes, you're not in Africa. And there's over 450g per pound so honestly, you have to beat the living fuck out of your body to lose as much as a pound. And I don't think anyone can do that in a day unless they're extremely ill.
Another positive realization is that a lost pound of muscle can blow right back up just by doing a full body workout, rehydrating and eating. Problem solved... no idea why people are still afraid to diet. Any mistakes can be unwritten in a day or two of training and recuperation. Worst case Ontario, people should just take orals for a few workouts if they desperately need to fill out again. If that's the case, there's no other argument against properly dieting. Even a natty could fill the cracks with a couple dbol tabs if they're overly concerned.
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Great post. Sums everything up.
Having cut it all out (anabolics) for a year I've realized that life goes on, as well as how resilient our bodies are. My "rock bottom" wasn't as deep as I thought it'd be. These irrational fears that have cultivated over the years of dodging catabolic bullets was just a long, drawn out panic attack. Take a moment to think about all of the wasted time, money and health which you won't recuperate, guys. None of it is coming back, so don't repeat the same mistakes.
Regarding "catabolism"; when you're not using glycogen or fat, you lose muscle only the mcg and mg levels. Maybe grams. The body only does this during exceptional circumstances that no one should be worried about 24/7. For fuck sakes, you're not in Africa. And there's over 450g per pound so honestly, you have to beat the living fuck out of your body to lose as much as a pound. And I don't think anyone can do that in a day unless they're extremely ill.
Another positive realization is that a lost pound of muscle can blow right back up just by doing a full body workout, rehydrating and eating. Problem solved... no idea why people are still afraid to diet. Any mistakes can be unwritten in a day or two of training and recuperation. Worst case Ontario, people should just take orals for a few workouts if they desperately need to fill out again. If that's the case, there's no other argument against properly dieting. Even a natty could fill the cracks with a couple dbol tabs if they're overly concerned.
Lego Land would like to add this block to it's exhibit. Meltdown.
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yeah, in the fatleniko pic i hadnt seen gym for years, not even from afar,i was so far gone.off anabolics obviously.
but does it look like any muscle were gone?not much,if any.
losing muscle is so vague term, losing muscle is if it falls off the body, other than that its all to do how it stores blood water and glycogen and how much subcutane water is there.
often -ironically-its guys who never dieted who are afraid of losing muscle.
Did you ever happen to get fat-people calves? The one saving grace about being fat for an extended period of time is the calves. I know lots of dudes who dieted down and still have them.
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lol, what is "fat people's calves?"
Any pics?
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i don't think g will let himself go and do a rebuild from soft to ripped,unless bored with this look ???,,,,
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lol, what is "fat people's calves?"
Any pics?
Does it really need explanation? lol
I've noticed that tight but fat people get these almost every time. The ones who have the super soft, fluffy fat don't get it. But the dwarfen mother fuckers who are solid as a brick have them. I've seen fatties that have dialed down to very respectable weights and their calves stay the same size. It's pretty cool. I always had large calves so I can't really tell from my own experience.
nah they always been kinda big.
face takes the biggest hit when i get fat ;D
I get the moon baby face too. No where holds more fat/water than my stomach though. Even though I stay lean year-round it's still the bane of my existence. That's why I'm really committing to dieting without stims now. Stims work, but they're too stressful. You'll always notice how much healthier a hardcore dieter looks than the stim junky. I love me some ephedrina but I suspect some prostate swelling so I have a good reason to avoid it now. It's bittersweet but I guess I'll have to put in some old fashioned effort... fuck it. >:( ;D
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Does it really need explanation? lol
I've noticed that tight but fat people get these almost every time. The ones who have the super soft, fluffy fat don't get it. But the dwarfen mother fuckers who are solid as a brick have them. I've seen fatties that have dialed down to very respectable weights and their calves stay the same size. It's pretty cool. I always had large calves so I can't really tell from my own experience.
I get the moon baby face too. No where holds more fat/water than my stomach though. Even though I stay lean year-round it's still the bane of my existence. That's why I'm really committing to dieting without stims now. Stims work, but they're too stressful. You'll always notice how much healthier a hardcore dieter looks than the stim junky. I love me some ephedrina but I suspect some prostate swelling so I have a good reason to avoid it now. It's bittersweet but I guess I'll have to put in some old fashioned effort... fuck it. >:( ;D
My calves are shit. If there is such a thing as fat people calves, which I seriously doubt, then I have the opposite. No matter how "fat" I get, my calves stay puny. Currently they measure right about 16" and I work them twice a week.
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Great post. Sums everything up.
Having cut it all out (anabolics) for a year I've realized that life goes on, as well as how resilient our bodies are. My "rock bottom" wasn't as deep as I thought it'd be. These irrational fears that have cultivated over the years of dodging catabolic bullets was just a long, drawn out panic attack. Take a moment to think about all of the wasted time, money and health which you won't recuperate, guys. None of it is coming back, so don't repeat the same mistakes.
Regarding "catabolism"; when you're not using glycogen or fat, you lose muscle only the mcg and mg levels. Maybe grams. The body only does this during exceptional circumstances that no one should be worried about 24/7. For fuck sakes, you're not in Africa. And there's over 450g per pound so honestly, you have to beat the living fuck out of your body to lose as much as a pound. And I don't think anyone can do that in a day unless they're extremely ill.
Another positive realization is that a lost pound of muscle can blow right back up just by doing a full body workout, rehydrating and eating. Problem solved... no idea why people are still afraid to diet. Any mistakes can be unwritten in a day or two of training and recuperation. Worst case Ontario, people should just take orals for a few workouts if they desperately need to fill out again. If that's the case, there's no other argument against properly dieting. Even a natty could fill the cracks with a couple dbol tabs if they're overly concerned.
great post. a lot can be learned from these words if your willing to listen.
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Does it really need explanation? lol
I've noticed that tight but fat people get these almost every time. The ones who have the super soft, fluffy fat don't get it. But the dwarfen mother fuckers who are solid as a brick have them. I've seen fatties that have dialed down to very respectable weights and their calves stay the same size. It's pretty cool. I always had large calves so I can't really tell from my own experience.
I get the moon baby face too. No where holds more fat/water than my stomach though. Even though I stay lean year-round it's still the bane of my existence. That's why I'm really committing to dieting without stims now. Stims work, but they're too stressful. You'll always notice how much healthier a hardcore dieter looks than the stim junky. I love me some ephedrina but I suspect some prostate swelling so I have a good reason to avoid it now. It's bittersweet but I guess I'll have to put in some old fashioned effort... fuck it. >:( ;D
the ephedrine/ prostrate correlation you mention isn't in your head I have the same issues w it.
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I can't do 1400-1600 cal. Too high for me, all of teh sudden I am always hungry and tired. Now around 800-1000 a day is the sweetspot for someone like me who is 5'9 and 190. I'm throwing out a 200 cal range out there, it seems to vary depending on the amount of physical work I put in during the last two days.
When I tried eating about 1000cal a day max I was in this constant state of energetic euphoria. Way too much energy, in the past I thought that going that low would cause my metabolism to crash and I would be completely dysfunctional. Actually it works out great, plenty of energy despite low calories and the hunger is not as bad.
I actually find that hunger gets worse the more food you consume when dieting. So if I only ate 500 cal halfway through day the hunger would be bad but manageable. But if I already had 1000 calories then the hunger and craving is unmanageable.
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So at what point does muscle loss occur?
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So at what point does muscle loss occur?
We'll have to see what gal says but IMO you won't lose muscle unless doing marathon running type cardio. And or several days no food.
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When is the book coming out?
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............so little fat on glutes it hurts sitting down on wooden chair.
Lol, fuckn dude.
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Yeah, that reminds me of the interview on here w/ Yates where he said his body fat was so low the lack of fat pads of his heels made it hard to walk on the hard floor.
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I think way too many people confuse strength loss with muscle loss.
Just because you can't squat 225 for 15 reps that particular day doesn't mean that magically entire kilograms of your muscle completely vanished. Your muscle cells are probably not holding as much glucose at the moment due to calorie depletion.
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Gal and no one, after having reached the desired body fat percentage (let's say 8-10% for a natural trainee) how would you incorporate strength building/training into this diet i.e without increasing body fat again?
How would you adjust the diet?
Thanks for all this info. This thread is awesome!
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is it already time for credit card details ;D
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No one ......yes , it is I of the promuscle clan[ btw my screen name was a joke that somehow stuck over the years ....my name is Jason] .....lol ......I really appreciate your response ....I think it is pretty cool and I like a lot of what you two are saying and sharing here. As you know , I am a big student of the game ,and have been around for awhile and have prepped lots of people over many years ......Gals diet , it very similar to the diets of the later 70s .....nearly exact .....Ed Corney when he trained for the 75 O with Arnold was eating 760 cals a day at his lowest point before that show ....[ Since he lived with Arnold and I have heard how little Arnold ate during his movie career [ a bowl of oat meal for breakfast .....and two meals of either fish or chicken salad and that was it .....maybe a 1000 cals ..most likely less .......and stallone was on I think a 600 cal diet for rocky 3 I believe ] Most of the diets I have seen were three to four meals a day about 200 grams of protein and 60 or less carbs .......some guys had a cheat day once a week like disgusted likes if guys are in decent shape .....and others couldn't get away with that ......Lots of guys back then used amphetamines to deal with appetite and energy to handle their training volumes .[ this is where Mentzer got in over his head ....but there were many others besides him without a doubt ......and Mike would go 600 -1500 on most of the diets I saw he did ] I love the honesty you both have presented here and I love love Gal's no nonsense explanations . I believe you have alot of merit in your observations .....and I like that you are saying that this is the fastest but not going to allow you to keep freaky size .....Most of the best Bodies of the 70s were around 200 lbs and used under 800mgs total a week .....I think the small waists and hips with moderate thighs were a nice complement to the upper bodies the guys carried back then ....And you also carry a nice attractive look in clothes as well .....I have seen and experienced some of the things you two are speaking on as well ........I have also played with fasts with good success .....Props to you both for your efforts .....and know I will buying the book asap [ one should learn til their last breath ]
Thanks big cyp for your post trying to help me out before no one got back .....you seem like good people ......I love threads like this ......good stuff fellas
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No one ......yes , it is I of the promuscle clan[ btw my screen name was a joke that somehow stuck over the years ....my name is Jason] .....lol ......I really appreciate your response ....I think it is pretty cool and I like a lot of what you two are saying and sharing here. As you know , I am a big student of the game ,and have been around for awhile and have prepped lots of people over many years ......Gals diet , it very similar to the diets of the later 70s .....nearly exact .....Ed Corney when he trained for the 75 O with Arnold was eating 760 cals a day at his lowest point before that show ....[ Since he lived with Arnold and I have heard how little Arnold ate during his movie career [ a bowl of oat meal for breakfast .....and two meals of either fish or chicken salad and that was it .....maybe a 1000 cals ..most likely less .......and stallone was on I think a 600 cal diet for rocky 3 I believe ] Most of the diets I have seen were three to four meals a day about 200 grams of protein and 60 or less carbs .......some guys had a cheat day once a week like disgusted likes if guys are in decent shape .....and others couldn't get away with that ......Lots of guys back then used amphetamines to deal with appetite and energy to handle their training volumes .[ this is where Mentzer got in over his head ....but there were many others besides him without a doubt ......and Mike would go 600 -1500 on most of the diets I saw he did ] I love the honesty you both have presented here and I love love Gal's no nonsense explanations . I believe you have alot of merit in your observations .....and I like that you are saying that this is the fastest but not going to allow you to keep freaky size .....Most of the best Bodies of the 70s were around 200 lbs and used under 800mgs total a week .....I think the small waists and hips with moderate thighs were a nice complement to the upper bodies the guys carried back then ....And you also carry a nice attractive look in clothes as well .....I have seen and experienced some of the things you two are speaking on as well ........I have also played with fasts with good success .....Props to you both for your efforts .....and know I will buying the book asap [ one should learn til their last breath ]
Thanks big cyp for your post trying to help me out before no one got back .....you seem like good people ......I love threads like this ......good stuff fellas
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buy the book ;D
your question is "how to maintain the condition", right?
thatll be chapter 12 ;D
I will.
When is it being published?
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Hopefully you guys have an editor? ;D
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No one ......yes , it is I of the promuscle clan[ btw my screen name was a joke that somehow stuck over the years ....my name is Jason] .....lol ......I really appreciate your response ....I think it is pretty cool and I like a lot of what you two are saying and sharing here. As you know , I am a big student of the game ,and have been around for awhile and have prepped lots of people over many years ......Gals diet , it very similar to the diets of the later 70s .....nearly exact .....Ed Corney when he trained for the 75 O with Arnold was eating 760 cals a day at his lowest point before that show ....[ Since he lived with Arnold and I have heard how little Arnold ate during his movie career [ a bowl of oat meal for breakfast .....and two meals of either fish or chicken salad and that was it .....maybe a 1000 cals ..most likely less .......and stallone was on I think a 600 cal diet for rocky 3 I believe ] Most of the diets I have seen were three to four meals a day about 200 grams of protein and 60 or less carbs .......some guys had a cheat day once a week like disgusted likes if guys are in decent shape .....and others couldn't get away with that ......Lots of guys back then used amphetamines to deal with appetite and energy to handle their training volumes .[ this is where Mentzer got in over his head ....but there were many others besides him without a doubt ......and Mike would go 600 -1500 on most of the diets I saw he did ] I love the honesty you both have presented here and I love love Gal's no nonsense explanations . I believe you have alot of merit in your observations .....and I like that you are saying that this is the fastest but not going to allow you to keep freaky size .....Most of the best Bodies of the 70s were around 200 lbs and used under 800mgs total a week .....I think the small waists and hips with moderate thighs were a nice complement to the upper bodies the guys carried back then ....And you also carry a nice attractive look in clothes as well .....I have seen and experienced some of the things you two are speaking on as well ........I have also played with fasts with good success .....Props to you both for your efforts .....and know I will buying the book asap [ one should learn til their last breath ]
Thanks big cyp for your post trying to help me out before no one got back .....you seem like good people ......I love threads like this ......good stuff fellas
hey dude much thanks for the kind words. I don't post much on promus but you have always struck me as having a great deal of class and as being as genuine a person as I hear from others who know you personally will attest to. in an environment like this industry where small mind seek to tear others down thru gossip slander and hurtful words you've always struck me as a man of integrity so I really appreciate your kind words.
ya dude there's something about ultra low cal diets the 'look' it gives and the overall synergy it has with body function and lean tissue creation and retention. I think bbing was on the right path in the 70's. those être attainable physiques. they were classic and timeless. bbing was about sculpting not at- any- costs chemical warfare.
to be honest since I've cut my doses down by that 1/4- 1/3 my body has changed for the better. I'm getting those lines. ones I never had that give shape and balance. the shrinking of the torso and etching of the bellied really giving that distinctive 70's look. my face look better my jaw line is stronger. i feel better mentally and phsically. im probably healthier for it. theres all kinda of upside this method ultra low cal dieting. but what gal and i have done was create something that allows you to function well amd hold that conditioning on ultra low cal year round. im absolutely positive this system could be used to prep an upper level bber for a show, and bring him in dry, dense and sharper than ever before. that 70's look with more lean tissue. that's my goal. but the system is do versatile it can help anyone achieve their goals w minute tweaks. like gal likes to walk driving like an anatomy chart year round in the 4's. thats his thing. his challenge. to go deeper yet. thats whar drives him. me is that 'look'. thats what drives me. different goals all achievable using the same system. it's pretty amazing really that's it's so adaptable. it should not be possible. none of this 'should' work but it does. so much for the science of bbing.
like I said that era was bbing to me, and I wasn't around in the 70's so I'm not being nostalgic or stuck in a time warp, I can appreciate it cause it was hard work dieting and dedication that were the cornerstones not more gh administration.
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Hopefully you guys have an editor? ;D
no editor and all written in galeniko's words so it maintains it humour and flavour. I'm too rigid techincal and boring. gal makes me laugh so we wanted to keep it funny and light. I might as the odd thing in here and there in my own words like the chemical/ look desired chapter. we'll see. regardless it will be a fun read.
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as a postscript I iabads post.
this system is more than ultra low cal dieting. it's a component of it a meer piece to the puzzle. gal and I discovered a way quite by acciendent how to get you shredded not only faster than any other method and making you look better for it. but without the suffering those guys went thru. jason touched on amphetamine usage. there was a reason they needed them. to function and kill appetite. what we've done with this is show you how to work with your body so that those types of things are not necessary and even detrimental. we teach you how to recognise when you need to apply certain aspects of the system to keep you, your mind and your body functioning optimally.
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No one .....I appreciate your comments ...I am a loyal loving person that tries to treat people as I wish to be treated ....lol ....probably too much of a pussy for get big although I have enjoyed this place forever ....ha ha ...I m very interested in seeing what you and gal have come up with .....the best gurus or teachers in bbing have always been opened minded free thinkers that are more observationalists more than scientists ...guys like gironda were ahead of their time for this very reason . You and gal have this confidence and honesty that shines in your posts that tells me you have merit in your thinking ......looking forward to your book ...what you choose to share with us here ....and wishing you and gal the best .....thanks again fella a
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I must have missed something, how did it go from Galeniko swearing he would never charge and the book would be free to now having to be paid for?
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GAL and No One,
Question I'm doing as mentioned a million times already 1500 cals a day and 1 24 hour fast a week, which my "fasting" day I obviously am in a 1500 cal deficit, divided up by 7 that is an 214 calories a day reduction basically, so in theory in eating 1286 calories a day. AS A NATURAL, what do you guys think in personal advice.
Keep doing 1500 a day with one 24 hour fast.
OR
Dip into 800-1000 calorie range daily and throw out the fasting day.
For the haters, yes I admit I have a little gyno, broken out from razor burn then being in the sun all day, and extra skin around the belly button area but I was once a FAT FUCK before I started lifting so this skin I have never been able to lose without surgery which does not bother me.
I'm willing to try it out, but wondering and I know you said will be explained in your book but if 800-1000 calories a day will be to low for a natty? Or do you think one would yield better results than the other option? Not being on gear 800 cals makes me fear muscle loss but I want to get to maintenance level faster and get this starvation shit over with ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=463549.0;attach=523569;image)
Have you had a stroke?
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lol ummm no? My retarded forearm pose? :D
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GAL and No One,
Question I'm doing as mentioned a million times already 1500 cals a day and 1 24 hour fast a week, which my "fasting" day I obviously am in a 1500 cal deficit, divided up by 7 that is an 214 calories a day reduction basically, so in theory in eating 1286 calories a day. AS A NATURAL, what do you guys think in personal advice.
Keep doing 1500 a day with one 24 hour fast.
OR
Dip into 800-1000 calorie range daily and throw out the fasting day.
For the haters, yes I admit I have a little gyno, broken out from razor burn then being in the sun all day, and extra skin around the belly button area but I was once a FAT FUCK before I started lifting so this skin I have never been able to lose without surgery which does not bother me.
I'm willing to try it out, but wondering and I know you said will be explained in your book but if 800-1000 calories a day will be to low for a natty? Or do you think one would yield better results than the other option? Not being on gear 800 cals makes me fear muscle loss but I want to get to maintenance level faster and get this starvation shit over with ;D
Monster Gyno
Regards
A Hata
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Thanks I know everyone likes puffy nips.... no homo :-*
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what gyno ? "?
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no editor and all written in galeniko's words so it maintains it humour and flavour. I'm too rigid techincal and boring. gal makes me laugh so we wanted to keep it funny and light. I might as the odd thing in here and there in my own words like the chemical/ look desired chapter. we'll see. regardless it will be a fun read.
No one, I like that idea of mixing protein powder in coffee to help with appetite. I know you said you are pretty utilitarian with your food choices but do you have a brand or flavor that you prefer as far as taste goes? I've never tried mixing protein with coffee so I was just curious.
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Optimum mocha capuchino mixes great with coffee. Throw in some ice for a cold, anabolic, caffinated drink.
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Optimum mocha capuchino mixes great with coffee. Throw in some ice for a cold, anabolic, caffinated drink.
Anything by Optimum Nutrition Gold Label is good. ON Natural label whey is harder to mix....I usually go with the proven stuff.
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Optimum mocha capuchino mixes great with coffee. Throw in some ice for a cold, anabolic, caffinated drink.
Sounds good. I'll give it a shot.
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no one/gayleniko, what's your fellas opinion on laying down lean muscle tissue while staying ripped?
do you believe it's possible? and if yes, what's the best method to use to go about doing it?
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Gal/No one, can you please promise that if bigmc ever exposes the book to be a scam, you won't threaten his family and/or offer yearly subscriptions as a reward for his personal info?
Thanks guys, he's been through enough.
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Gal/No one, can you please promise that if bigmc ever exposes the book to be a scam, you won't threaten his family and/or offer yearly subscriptions as a reward for his personal info?
Thanks guys, he's been through enough.
lol ;D
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You know what would be awesome - if you give plans based on the time frame person looking to meet goal in. For example 2 months 6 months 12 months etc
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GAL and No One,
Question I'm doing as mentioned a million times already 1500 cals a day and 1 24 hour fast a week, which my "fasting" day I obviously am in a 1500 cal deficit, divided up by 7 that is an 214 calories a day reduction basically, so in theory in eating 1286 calories a day. AS A NATURAL, what do you guys think in personal advice.
Keep doing 1500 a day with one 24 hour fast.
OR
Dip into 800-1000 calorie range daily and throw out the fasting day.
For the haters, yes I admit I have a little gyno, broken out from razor burn then being in the sun all day, and extra skin around the belly button area but I was once a FAT FUCK before I started lifting so this skin I have never been able to lose without surgery which does not bother me.
I'm willing to try it out, but wondering and I know you said will be explained in your book but if 800-1000 calories a day will be to low for a natty? Or do you think one would yield better results than the other option? Not being on gear 800 cals makes me fear muscle loss but I want to get to maintenance level faster and get this starvation shit over with ;D
good job getting there,,
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cant believe you people are still buying into this galeniko starvation diet.
(http://s23.postimg.org/m0oxqepkb/182_19.jpg)
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Geez Bouncer, looking unhealthy. CSWOL is giving some great PT rates though. Give yourself a chance.
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Gal/No one, can you please promise that if bigmc ever exposes the book to be a scam, you won't threaten his family and/or offer yearly subscriptions as a reward for his personal info?
Thanks guys, he's been through enough.
fuck off ;D
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fuck off ;D
Lol happy Sunday afternoon stud. ;D Do much with the fam today?
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no one/gayleniko, what's your fellas opinion on laying down lean muscle tissue while staying ripped?
do you believe it's possible? and if yes, what's the best method to use to go about doing it?
DJ, big is the way to go brotha. People will only think you are sick, when you have a shirt on. Crypt Keeper aint sexy brah.
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Lol happy Sunday afternoon stud. ;D Do much with the fam today?
was at matlock for the weekend got back lunchtime today
five hour walk yesterday 8)
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increase dosage.
nah this is covered in the book aswell.
after the book nobody should have any questions anymore.
;D
how much is the book going to cost
cleanest natural sold less than 100 copies of his
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very good post, haha@lastline ;D
Hey man, it's well within the natural limits lol 8)
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hey galeniko and no one,
genuine question here,
I have noticed you guys seem to be naturally fat white guys. Naturally white fat guys (husky type) tend to build muscle easily and hold onto it pretty well during dieting phases. I read through a large portion of this thread and I don't believe I've found much on whether this will work for all body types.
I'm an asian ectomorph who shrinks when I get injured or sick or have a layoff from the gym and I have trouble putting on and keeping size (whereas you guys get fat on layoffs). Do you think this approach will work for me? I stay lean easily, but obviously I'm not super shredded like you guys because I've never had to "diet" in my entire life (I just eat well and healthily 80% of the time) and I've never been "fat"
What you guys seem to be doing is a simplified somewhat starvation diet with pretty low calories. While it might seem to be a foolproof system for guys who are naturally muscular and get fat easily, I am not so convinced it will work for guys who have trouble putting on size and are naturally skinny who want to hold onto hard-earned muscle. Then again, i'm not the expert here. I've never had to diet in my whole life and I'm sitting pretty at about 9% and well built and I just ate a couple slices of pizza. Though I'd love to get down to 5-6% and I know I'd have to suffer to get there. Instead of using such huge amounts of stims and high dose tren and dht based compounds, i'd like to know if this option would work to get super shredded.
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Also, I know that guys who are in prison kind of use this approach without knowing, who are naturally fat and get super shredded in a relatively short period of time. They train mostly calisthenics, intense, and frequently (because they no longer are able to use weights in prison). Their diet, I'd guess, would be around 900-1500 calories per day. I know a lot of guys come out of prison looking phenomenal, lean and shredded with good muscularity, but can never seem to hold their condition when they come out of the pen because of the overly-gluttonous portions that americans are served with, on top of fast food. They just blow up like fat american swines when they get out.
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hey galeniko and no one,
genuine question here,
I have noticed you guys seem to be naturally fat white guys. Naturally white fat guys (husky type) tend to build muscle easily and hold onto it pretty well during dieting phases. I read through a large portion of this thread and I don't believe I've found much on whether this will work for all body types.
I'm an asian ectomorph who shrinks when I get injured or sick or have a layoff from the gym and I have trouble putting on and keeping size (whereas you guys get fat on layoffs). Do you think this approach will work for me? I stay lean easily, but obviously I'm not super shredded like you guys because I've never had to "diet" in my entire life (I just eat well and healthily 80% of the time) and I've never been "fat"
What you guys seem to be doing is a simplified somewhat starvation diet with pretty low calories. While it might seem to be a foolproof system for guys who are naturally muscular and get fat easily, I am not so convinced it will work for guys who have trouble putting on size and are naturally skinny who want to hold onto hard-earned muscle. Then again, i'm not the expert here. I've never had to diet in my whole life and I'm sitting pretty at about 9% and well built and I just ate a couple slices of pizza. Though I'd love to get down to 5-6% and I know I'd have to suffer to get there. Instead of using such huge amounts of stims and high dose tren and dht based compounds, i'd like to know if this option would work to get super shredded.
Or simplified, you rarely ever ate over maintenance and they did a lot.
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I know a lot of guys come out of prison looking phenomenal, lean and shredded with good muscularity, but can never seem to hold their condition when they come out of the pen because of the overly-gluttonous portions that americans are served with, on top of fast food. They just blow up like fat american swines when they get out.
They stop training hard, because they are no longer surrounded by violent arse bandits.
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Or simplified, you rarely ever ate over maintenance and they did a lot.
i don't believe it's that simple.
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They stop training hard, because they are no longer surrounded by violent arse bandits.
for sure ;D
i look at a plate of food from outback steakhouse and wonder to myself, these portions are gigantic, no wonder why everyone around me is fat.
Seriously, if they halved the portions, everyone would still be fat, just not obese like they currently are.
it's ok for a normal athlete who trains to eat that stuff, but a sedentary office job dad or stay at home mom who does not engage in regular exercise... good night sweet prince
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ok, so like gal mentioned, he used coke and fat burners as well. coke is an appetite supressant for those who dont know, apart from giving you energy. in the mountains of peru oldtimers use coca leaf with an alkaline (typically lhama fat and ash) as a type of chew to give them the energy to work at high altitudes on very little food. so its not just a party drug, it does have certain undeniable characteristics that would have helped zyzz to stay lean. that would be the first difference, and its a huge advantage to the user, altho a dead end.
Cocaine is minimum $300 per gram in Australia. That's shitty coke, $400+ per g for higher quality. You would go broke quickly using cocaine as an appetite suppressant.
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Cocaine is minimum $300 per gram in Australia. That's shitty coke, $400+ per g for higher quality. You would go broke quickly using cocaine as an appetite suppressant.
Yes it's a good job Gal doesn't live in Aus.
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Cocaine is minimum $300 per gram in Australia. That's shitty coke, $400+ per g for higher quality. You would go broke quickly using cocaine as an appetite suppressant.
With my old habit, I would have had no anus left!
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i been tot he beach today, and there happen something i must make ppl aware of and warn them.
i walk past some young girls, not long ago first period age, and they cant hide their natural instincts, they no playing games yet like the elderly, so they have subconscously see the perfect mating man walking past and they have first orgasm, or close to it, just from looking at me.
they know its wrong,they know the age factor is too far apart, but they cant help it and scream like the groupies on justing bieber concert.
so , my tip of advice is, dont fall for the honey trap.
the offers and looks and stares and vaginal meltdowns will come from all ages and genders.
stay cool.
tell them watching is ok, but no touching.
8)
I lol'd. Classic. ;D
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nah, consider noone is in his 40s, im in my 30s, my fat pic was taken after 4 years no training and all you can eat buffet every day, every meal until nothing would go in anymore ;D
basicaly a 4 year bulk just without the training and drugs haha ;D
considering that,im kinda lean there.
before ever touching a weight , i was skinny kid, something like 150lbs max.with abs.
but yeah overall, something like normal white guy, average, you know, not particalr tiny joints, neither thick joints.
everyone holds on good to real muscle, esp on gear :D
thanks gal, u da man ;D
so as long as we have a good base of muscle, we should look like a sexy beast after ;D
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Gal/No one, can you please promise that if bigmc ever exposes the book to be a scam, you won't threaten his family and/or offer yearly subscriptions as a reward for his personal info?
Thanks guys, he's been through enough.
hahaha man o man. gh started out great. a ton of good knowledge, but once the original gh left the account and the new one took over he went completely to shit. imagine threatening someone like that? i personally think gh is now reun by a23, thats why hes not here anymore, and hes the only one fucked in the head enough to take the internet so seriously and get a kick out of such behaviour.
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You know what would be awesome - if you give plans based on the time frame person looking to meet goal in. For example 2 months 6 months 12 months etc
cant really do that. if you follow the system to the T your end goal will be ultimate shreds. how long it takes you to get there depends on too many variables to accurately lay out and kind of time frame. that being said i went from 12%+ bf to 6 in 4 weeks. there is no 6 month time frame here. its weeks. its that simple. thats how strong this system works.
bear down, suffer for the amount of time you need to create the body you want, and maintain it the rest of your life. its that simple. not 4 months, 6 months, or one year. you'll get there in weeks, and keep it for life, IF you follow the system to the letter.
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hahaha man o man. gh started out great. a ton of good knowledge, but once the original gh left the account and the new one took over he went completely to shit. imagine threatening someone like that? i personally think gh is now reun by a23, thats why hes not here anymore, and hes the only one fucked in the head enough to take the internet so seriously and get a kick out of such behaviour.
hey no one, i see you just posted,
if you get the time, would love to hear your input on my question
thanks brother, i respect your words of wisdom
hey galeniko and no one,
genuine question here,
I have noticed you guys seem to be naturally fat white guys. Naturally white fat guys (husky type) tend to build muscle easily and hold onto it pretty well during dieting phases. I read through a large portion of this thread and I don't believe I've found much on whether this will work for all body types.
I'm an asian ectomorph who shrinks when I get injured or sick or have a layoff from the gym and I have trouble putting on and keeping size (whereas you guys get fat on layoffs). Do you think this approach will work for me? I stay lean easily, but obviously I'm not super shredded like you guys because I've never had to "diet" in my entire life (I just eat well and healthily 80% of the time) and I've never been "fat"
What you guys seem to be doing is a simplified somewhat starvation diet with pretty low calories. While it might seem to be a foolproof system for guys who are naturally muscular and get fat easily, I am not so convinced it will work for guys who have trouble putting on size and are naturally skinny who want to hold onto hard-earned muscle. Then again, i'm not the expert here. I've never had to diet in my whole life and I'm sitting pretty at about 9% and well built and I just ate a couple slices of pizza. Though I'd love to get down to 5-6% and I know I'd have to suffer to get there. Instead of using such huge amounts of stims and high dose tren and dht based compounds, i'd like to know if this option would work to get super shredded.
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how much is the book going to cost
cleanest natural sold less than 100 copies of his
we're thinking something like $20?
its not about making money for us. i cant speak for gal, but honestly i have been giving out advise for the past decade, and spent countless hours of my time writing diets and all that other stuff. all out of the goodness of my heart. know what i got out of that? frustration. people would eat my time and energy and not do what i suggest in the long run. now, it wont bother me if someone doesnt want to listen, cause its like im being paid to train them. its a small psychological victory.
if we sell 10 copies or 100. dosent matter. its not for the money.
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hey galeniko and no one,
genuine question here,
I have noticed you guys seem to be naturally fat white guys. Naturally white fat guys (husky type) tend to build muscle easily and hold onto it pretty well during dieting phases. I read through a large portion of this thread and I don't believe I've found much on whether this will work for all body types.
I'm an asian ectomorph who shrinks when I get injured or sick or have a layoff from the gym and I have trouble putting on and keeping size (whereas you guys get fat on layoffs). Do you think this approach will work for me? I stay lean easily, but obviously I'm not super shredded like you guys because I've never had to "diet" in my entire life (I just eat well and healthily 80% of the time) and I've never been "fat"
What you guys seem to be doing is a simplified somewhat starvation diet with pretty low calories. While it might seem to be a foolproof system for guys who are naturally muscular and get fat easily, I am not so convinced it will work for guys who have trouble putting on size and are naturally skinny who want to hold onto hard-earned muscle. Then again, i'm not the expert here. I've never had to diet in my whole life and I'm sitting pretty at about 9% and well built and I just ate a couple slices of pizza. Though I'd love to get down to 5-6% and I know I'd have to suffer to get there. Instead of using such huge amounts of stims and high dose tren and dht based compounds, i'd like to know if this option would work to get super shredded.
your basing your opinion on supposition.
your asking me to answer a question based on supposition.
this will work for anyone. period.
'id love to get to 5% but am afraid to try your diet'. then dont. its that simple. if you want to get to 5% you'll do what we tell you. its that simple. there are no guarantees in life. if you want to sit on the sidelines and let 'what ifs' keep you from maximizing your potential, feel free. im not here to sell anyone anything. cheers.
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i been tot he beach today, and there happen something i must make ppl aware of and warn them.
i walk past some young girls, not long ago first period age, and they cant hide their natural instincts, they no playing games yet like the elderly, so they have subconscously see the perfect mating man walking past and they have first orgasm, or close to it, just from looking at me.
they know its wrong,they know the age factor is too far apart, but they cant help it and scream like the groupies on justing bieber concert.
so , my tip of advice is, dont fall for the honey trap.
the offers and looks and stares and vaginal meltdowns will come from all ages and genders.
stay cool.
tell them watching is ok, but no touching.
8)
hahahaha classic!
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i been tot he beach today, and there happen something i must make ppl aware of and warn them.
i walk past some young girls, not long ago first period age, and they cant hide their natural instincts, they no playing games yet like the elderly, so they have subconscously see the perfect mating man walking past and they have first orgasm, or close to it, just from looking at me.
they know its wrong,they know the age factor is too far apart, but they cant help it and scream like the groupies on justing bieber concert.
so , my tip of advice is, dont fall for the honey trap.
the offers and looks and stares and vaginal meltdowns will come from all ages and genders.
stay cool.
tell them watching is ok, but no touching.
8)
Yeah, this happens to me all the time too. ::)
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your basing your opinion on supposition.
your asking me to answer a question based on supposition.
this will work for anyone. period.
'id love to get to 5% but am afraid to try your diet'. then dont. its that simple. if you want to get to 5% you'll do what we tell you. its that simple. there are no guarantees in life. if you want to sit on the sidelines and let 'what ifs' keep you from maximizing your potential, feel free. im not here to sell anyone anything. cheers.
you're right.
good life advice as well
thanks man
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ps diamondcut im not trying to be rude or cut you. you just have to try it. get rid of the bullshit mental blocks and get your ass moving to 5%.
if columbus has said, 'fuck dude i dunno, it looks like were going to drop off the edge of the world if we sail out there', where would we be.
fear is a helluva crippling thing. keeps us stagnant and from realising our potentials. whats causing your fears in this case is the fact its too good to be true. well, ya im here to tell you it is too good to be true. and it works like we say it does.
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we're thinking something like $20?
its not about making money for us. i cant speak for gal, but honestly i have been giving out advise for the past decade, and spent countless hours of my time writing diets and all that other stuff. all out of the goodness of my heart. know what i got out of that? frustration. people would eat my time and energy and not do what i suggest in the long run. now, it wont bother me if someone doesnt want to listen, cause its like im being paid to train them. its a small psychological victory.
if we sell 10 copies or 100. dosent matter. its not for the money.
make it $10,,, jack up price later when it gets more popular.
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Yeah, this happens to me all the time too. ::)
you think hes exaggerating? lol
theres something that happens once you strip all your fat off- biologically women recognise you as a superior, stronger mate. your jawline becomes stronger, your lean tissue more prominent. these are all triggers than subconsciously attract women.
now, im not saying they'll jump into bed with you. once you talk to them you have to be able to hold your own. but in terms of attraction, it is very much like gal says it is.
plus, theres the attraction to the discipline one must have to care enough fo themselves to get to that kind of conditioning. i had an ex gf tell me once she liked bigger guys cause of the discipline it took to create that physique. i had never considered that before.
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ps diamondcut im not trying to be rude or cut you. you just have to try it. get rid of the bullshit mental blocks and get your ass moving to 5%.
if columbus has said, 'fuck dude i dunno, it looks like were going to drop off the edge of the world if we sail out there', where would we be.
fear is a helluva crippling thing. keeps us stagnant and from realising our potentials. whats causing your fears in this case is the fact its too good to be true. well, ya im here to tell you it is too good to be true. and it works like we say it does.
nah i totally agree man. i also realize you have a totally no bs straight to the fucking point attitude, which i actually appreciate. i tend to agree with a lot of the posts you have made over the years, you're one of the few guys on the forums who actually seem grounded in reality whereas a lot of others seemingly are not.
i guess it's something i will have to try. i never was super shredded before but i was always lean without ever really trying, as if my body is self regulating and doesn't like to get fat. i was always scared to lose muscle during a diet, but i will definitely try this approach. I haven't dieted in an effort to get shredded, ever, in my 8 years of training and i've managed to put on a solid 70lbs over my starting weight and i'm sitting right now at about 9%. I had 4 slices of pizza last night ;D
i think it will work well to get shredded asap, in unison with a good tren and masteron stack
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nah i totally agree man. i also realize you have a totally no bs straight to the fucking point attitude, which i actually appreciate. i tend to agree with a lot of the posts you have made over the years, you're one of the few guys on the forums who actually seem grounded in reality whereas a lot of others seemingly are not.
i guess it's something i will have to try. i never was super shredded before but i was always lean without ever really trying, as if my body is self regulating and doesn't like to get fat. i was always scared to lose muscle during a diet, but i will definitely try this approach. I haven't dieted in an effort to get shredded, ever, in my 8 years of training and i've managed to put on a solid 70lbs over my starting weight and i'm sitting right now at about 9%. I had 4 slices of pizza last night ;D
i think it will work well to get shredded asap, in unison with a good tren and masteron stack
i PROMISE you. follow this to the letter. email me back in 4 weeks and thank me for your new body. thats no bullshit bro.
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now, im not saying they'll jump into bed with you. once you talk to them you have to be able to hold your own. but in terms of attraction, it is very much like gal says it is.
You need some semblance of a personality or no matter how good you look you wont get past second base.
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You need some semblance of a personality or no matter how good you look you wont get past second base.
gal was banging tranny hookers six months ago
i would take his women throwing themselves at him stuff tongue in cheek
in my humble opinion people that constantly boast about how much fanny they hit on the internetz
go through alot of tissues
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gal was banging tranny hookers six months ago
i would take his women throwing themselves at him stuff tongue in cheek
in my humble opinion people that constantly boast about how much fanny they hit on the internetz
go through alot of tissues
Crying? :)
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Crying? :)
no wanking themselves unconcious
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no wanking themselves unconcious
On zero carbs Im surprised he has the energy for a wank.
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no wanking themselves unconcious
lmao
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Now they are charging for it I wouldn't bother, Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss book is an identical diet(PSMF) ,god knows people love to steal diets and make it seem like they made it up 'cough' Adonis 'cough'.Had it been made available for free it would have been interesting to see Galeniko write it in his words.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook
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Once a few copies sell, that shit would be available all over the interwebz, or at least all over getbig.
Business advice, you start selling now, and only release the product after a certain amount of copies have been sold.
That way you insure a minimum profit without having to worry about plagiarism and P2P sharing.
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Once a few copies sell, that shit would be available all over the interwebz, or at least all over getbig.
Business advice, you start selling now, and only release the product after a certain amount of copies have been sold.
That way you insure a minimum profit without having to worry about plagiarism and P2P sharing.
Why would anyone buy it over an established Author like Lyle?Getbig humor usually only works on getbig ;D
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Why would anyone buy is over an established Author like Lyle?Getbig humor usually only works on getbig ;D
x2.
I can just imagine the colossal mind fuck a n o n - g e t b i g g e r would have reading gal's broken english, with vague references to getbig's inside jokes.
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Nobody is buying anything; the mentioned price is absurd and the bulk of the advice is here in this thread and quoted for posterity's sake.
That said, I thank the authors for the time spent "in the field" and their formulation of simple principles on the basis of this experience.
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Once a few copies sell, that shit would be available all over the interwebz, or at least all over getbig.
Business advice, you start selling now, and only release the product after a certain amount of copies have been sold.
That way you insure a minimum profit without having to worry about plagiarism and P2P sharing.
we dont care is people plagarise it file share it or whatever.
like army of one said why buy it now they are charging for it? good- wait for it to come out and dl form your buddy. think i care that you need to save 20$? trust me 'army of one' i wont lose any sleep over it.
we did this for people who want to get in shape. if people want to give us 20$ for putting it togeher for them, great. if they want to dl it great. lol
you guys make it sound like it s big deal. IM NOT DOING THIS FOR THE MONEY.
kinda makes you wonder what kind of asshat would say ' fuck it i why bother buying their book now that they are charging for it' when it wasnt even about the money in the first place.
man, some people in life just dont get it. maybe army you could take the $20 and buy a book on how to have class? no wait, just wait and dl it for free. hahahahaha
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Why would anyone buy it over an established Author like Lyle?Getbig humor usually only works on getbig ;D
post up a pic of this 'established author'.
if you want to look like lyle mcdonald you have bigger problems than gal and i can help you with anyway. keep your $20. lol
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I want two copies , do you guys take credit cards , PayPal, cash ??? ,
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I want two copies , do you guys take credit cards , PayPal, cash ??? ,
I'm excited as well.
"1"
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we dont care is people plagarise it file share it or whatever.
like army of one said why buy it now they are charging for it? good- wait for it to come out and dl form your buddy. think i care that you need to save 20$? trust me 'army of one' i wont lose any sleep over it.
we did this for people who want to get in shape. if people want to give us 20$ for putting it togeher for them, great. if they want to dl it great. lol
you guys make it sound like it s big deal. IM NOT DOING THIS FOR THE MONEY.
kinda makes you wonder what kind of asshat would say ' fuck it i why bother buying their book now that they are charging for it' when it wasnt even about the money in the first place.
man, some people in life just dont get it. maybe army you could take the $20 and buy a book on how to have class? no wait, just wait and dl it for free. hahahahaha
That's great but let's be real, you are a couple of amateur authors regurgitating what Lyle McDonald wrote years ago, nothing in the thread is original.Its like me writing War and Peace in the style of borat, might be funny to read for a page or 2 but won't sell as its a ripoff of something well established.When you start charging for things then expect to fall in to the world of consumer opinion.Dont get me wrong the thread is interesting to hear people's results.
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I'm excited as well.
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I agree , getbiggers should get the Special Edition , autographed by the man himself, with a unique centerfold spread of Galeniko's rather large penis.
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That's great but let's be real, you are a couple of amateur authors regurgitating what Lyle McDonald wrote years ago, nothing in the thread is original.Its like me writing War and Peace in the style of borat, might be funny to read for a page or 2 but won't sell as its a ripoff of something well established.When you start charging for things then expect to fall in to the world of consumer opinion.Dont get me wrong the thread is interesting to hear people's results.
actually, im not an author of any kind. but thanks for the compliment.
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i dont mind dropping some coin on something like this,
mostly because i dont see no one or galeniko as bs clowns who try to make money off of others
these cats have been keeping it real, you can tell through their posts that they are just trying to help others out or provide the lulz
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I'll buy it just as a thank you in going above and beyond in answering my original question. Should be Entertaining read too.
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I have an idea for the first page:
"In loving memory of cswol. if only you had listened to our dieting strategy, perhaps your permabulking self wouldnt have shut down"
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haha, ask noone, he did read the first pages, theyre done very well, and that fun way.
theres one chapeter"the general fatsoness of society", i really think its pure poetry ;D
i truly look forward to it. i actually enjoy you rambling on about how americans are all a bunch of swines and your opinions on fat women lol
i shall be sure to enjoy it with a glass of brandy or fine wine ;D
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I agree , getbiggers should get the Special Edition , autographed by the man himself, with a unique centerfold spread of Galeniko's rather large penis.
Speak for yourself. Love me some Galeniko but damn dude.
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from you,id evem take sexual favors for payment ;D
we dont even know yet, paypal, wester union or what.
this is how much we care for the money :D
oh, now we can cliam to be ;D
as for signed, nah this will be some online format,at least until economical breakthrough ;D
Make it paypal. WU sucks harder than Liberace on a thick shake. Used it for buying 'research products' a few times, but never again.
Also, since you rightly feel that no cost = people just reading it for fun, and not investing any effort: Why not offer PM assistance to those who buy it? Sorts out the wheat from the chaff.
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also, lyle mcdonalds is he sincere about steroid use?
thought about the same ;D
here's lyle doing some heavy deads
btw, do swiss misses shout out to you from their cars while you're strutting along the street?
in the jew s of a those females sure as hell would do that for you stud
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/1/110e6_ORIG-LyleMcDonald1.jpg)
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here's lyle doing some heavy deads
btw, do swiss misses shout out to you from their cars while you're strutting along the street?
in the jew s of a those females sure as hell would do that for you stud
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/1/110e6_ORIG-LyleMcDonald1.jpg)
Jesus. Does he even lift? And no, 335 does not count as a lift.
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This thread is the greatest sales pitch ever
I hope they sell shit loads
here is my book
lift weights
eat a healthy diet
rest and repeat
you are welcome 8)
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here's lyle doing some heavy deads
btw, do swiss misses shout out to you from their cars while you're strutting along the street?
in the jew s of a those females sure as hell would do that for you stud
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/1/110e6_ORIG-LyleMcDonald1.jpg)
haha, heavy deads, oh brother
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haha,brutal usage of belts to basically lift the weight my weekly grocerys weigh.
brutal putting t shirt on to cover the body that he doesnt have :D
yeah, some women shout,some are introverted, the sheer shock just makes their jaw drop and they get that look in eyes like a cow which heard thunder first time.
someask me if thats natural,i tell them yes it is,steroid users are typicaly always bloated etc.hahaha.
speaking of bloated, in the gym there was this waterlogged guy with "dangerous" stare when working out, after training he sits at gym bar and eats,from tupperware, chicken with nothing.
i tell him hey good apetite, looks tasty, and i guess you as big guy need all that food.
he"yeah man, i always have to fill up,always have to eat alot"
hahahahahah ;D
i see quite a few of those bloated toads in my gym as well
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haha,brutal usage of belts to basically lift the weight my weekly grocerys weigh.
brutal putting t shirt on to cover the body that he doesnt have :D
yeah, some women shout,some are introverted, the sheer shock just makes their jaw drop and they get that look in eyes like a cow which heard thunder first time.
someask me if thats natural,i tell them yes it is,steroid users are typicaly always bloated etc.hahaha.
speaking of bloated, in the gym there was this waterlogged guy with "dangerous" stare when working out, after training he sits at gym bar and eats,from tupperware, chicken with nothing.
i tell him hey good apetite, looks tasty, and i guess you as big guy need all that food.
he"yeah man, i always have to fill up,always have to eat alot"
hahahahahah ;D
HE DIDN'T HAPPEN TO HAVE DO'RAG/WEIGHT BELT UP TO CHEST ,AND 80'S BAGGY PANTS IN 2013 ON ,,ANY CHANCE..
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Optimum mocha capuchino mixes great with coffee. Throw in some ice for a cold, anabolic, caffinated drink.
Picked up some Jay Robb Vanilla Egg White Protein Powder and have been mixing it in with a 7-11 Big Gulp Iced Coffee. Fvckin' Heaven.
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Make it paypal. WU sucks harder than Liberace on a thick shake. Used it for buying 'research products' a few times, but never again.
Also, since you rightly feel that no cost = people just reading it for fun, and not investing any effort: Why not offer PM assistance to those who buy it? Sorts out the wheat from the chaff.
we're actually kicking around the idea of offering training online. this will eliminate a lot of pretenders and those not serious about getting shape. also saves us wasting our time with people who aren't serious.
I told my buddy this over txt today:
'people are funny. they take up my time expecting information for nothing that I have spent a lifetime learning and accumulating and think nothing of eating up my time like they deserve it or something. not talking about my friends I'll always help then. taking people at the gym or work. then they txt me and ask me to repeat what I already told then previously. wtf. frustrates me to no end. the fact they eat up that time and THEN don't do what I say reallllllly drives me. lol. the book ends all that. ya here's a book. it's got everything you need. that's $20 please. don't bug me no more. :D.'
that's EXACTLY how I feel. if some here don't like it you can suck my dick. don't buy the book. no sweat of my balls. stay fat the rest of your life on diets that don't work. if you want to buy the book awesome. we'll help you any way we can.
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This thread is the greatest sales pitch ever
I hope they sell shit loads
here is my book
lift weights
eat a healthy diet
rest and repeat
you are welcome 8)
right cause everyone who does that walks around at sub5 right?
you ball busting used to be cute. now it's annoying. don't want the book don't fucking buy it. there are people who'll want to better themselves. this is for them. not you. so feel free to fuck off with your sales pitch bulshit. your questioning my integrity and my motivations. I take exception to that.
get it?
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right cause everyone who does that walks around at sub5 right?
you ball busting used to be cute. now it's annoying. don't want the book don't fucking buy it. there are people who'll want to better themselves. this is for them. not you. so feel free to fuck with your sales pitch bulshit. your questioning my integrity and my motivations. I take exception to that.
get it?
fuck you :-*
everyone is kissing your ass on here
dont question my right to challenge you
this is getbig not the no one and gal show
you are both starting to sound like gh 15 who the fuck do you think you are
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fuck you :-*
everyone is kissing your ass on here
dont question my right to challenge you
this is getbig not the no one and gal show
you are both starting to sound like gh 15 who the fuck do you think you are
BigMac showing some self esteem issues?
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BigMac showing some self esteem issues?
Stay out of this, stumpy.
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BigMac showing some self esteem issues?
wow you will back anyone who has a go at me
who is the one with low self esteem :-*
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wow you will back anyone who has a go at me
who is the one with low self esteem :-*
Not me Mr. "I'm too pussy to diet for more than a week before crying about binging on GB"
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Not me Mr. "I'm too pussy to diet for more than a week before crying about binging on GB"
zzzzzz
i cant be bothered arguing with you anymore
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Gal and NoOne
Great thread guys and I agree with pretty much everything here; thanks a lot for sharing this all. A few questions to Gal, however.
Why do you exercise with such high volume? If you already gave a reason for the huge volume that you do, I might have missed that. But I recall you saying you do like 40 sets for arms alone and also work out pretty much every day, right?
Especially since you say you are not trying to put on additional muscle mass, why such huge volume? I can see such volume being useful for burning additional calories, but you are already eating so few calories anyways.
Which brings me to my next question: Now you are 6 ft tall, 200+ lbs most of which is muscle, meaning your metabolic rate should be pretty high. On top of it all you are doing a lot of weight training. But when people ask what you typically eat, you outline a very low calorie eating plan. At the moment -and you say this has been so for the last 2 years at least- you aren't trying to lose much fat, right? You say you never go much above 8% BF or so and when you have to lose weight, it is a relatively small amount. Do I understand it correctly in that even when you are just trying to maintain, you eat very little carbs and very little fat?
If I misunderstood, can you give an example of what you would eat to just maintain a 5-6% BF, when you are not trying to lose fat. When I add up the numbers of what you normally eat to maintain, I am coming up with like 1300-1400 calories , which is way too low just to maintain (considering your muscle mass and activity levels). But again, maybe I misunderstood and those meals you mention are what you eat to lose fat, not to maintain. If I did, please share what it is that you typically eat to just maintain.
Thanks and everyone stay strong...
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I eat what I want when I want, if I get a bit fat I cut back, if I lose too much I eat a bit more.
I dont have to suffer and make myself ill.
I have a life outside the gym and eat out at least three times a week and order anything I want.
Thats my twopenneth.
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What have I eaten today?
Protein shake poured over Cinnamon Grahams cereal
1 litre of water with amino powder mixed in and a couple of breakfast biscuits
a chicken breast
Chicken tikka sandwich
a protein shake
its now 17.17 Im going out with the dogs then having a steak and chips
maybe a shake before bed.
lovely.
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I eat what I want when I want, if I get a bit fat I cut back, if I lose too much I eat a bit more.
I dont have to suffer and make myself ill.
I have a life outside the gym and eat out at least three times a week and order anything I want.
Thats my twopenneth.
NICE,,,
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I eat what I want when I want, if I get a bit fat I cut back, if I lose too much I eat a bit more.
I dont have to suffer and make myself ill.
I have a life outside the gym and eat out at least three times a week and order anything I want.
Thats my twopenneth.
this
it aint rocket science
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What have I eaten today?
Protein shake poured over Cinnamon Grahams cereal
1 litre of water with amino powder mixed in and a couple of breakfast biscuits
a chicken breast
Chicken tikka sandwich
a protein shake
its now 17.17 Im going out with the dogs then having a steak and chips
maybe a shake before bed.
lovely.
Sorry to say that you have misread my post. I have clearly asked Galeniko and NoOne
I absolutely don't give a fuck about what you put in any of your orifices and find it quite funny you should so readily volunteer this when no one else seems to care either.
Now get the fuck out and please do not report on either the exciting walk with the dogs or the steak you are about to eat.
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I eat what I want when I want, if I get a bit fat I cut back, if I lose too much I eat a bit more.
I dont have to suffer and make myself ill.
I have a life outside the gym and eat out at least three times a week and order anything I want.
Thats my twopenneth.
But you have to get to a point you want first though right? A lot of dudes are really far gone from where they want to be and really don't have that option yet
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fuck you :-*
everyone is kissing your ass on here
dont question my right to challenge you
this is getbig not the no one and gal show
you are both starting to sound like gh 15 who the fuck do you think you are
its kinda ironic that some dumpy stooge whos never seen the south side of 10% bodyfat in his life is sitting behind his computer shitcanning a system that people have come on here to say 'hey guys this works thanks for helping me cant wait to read the book'.
hahahah dont question my right blah blah blah who says that anyway? 'dont question my right' maybe get your mom to call me up and scold me while your at it. i'll question whatever the fuck i choose, sunshine, if you dont like it go fuck yourself. how does that sit?
and yes, this thread is in fact the gal/ no one show. dont like it? tough shit. deal with it. people want to know how to get in the best shape of their lives and we tell them. its simple. we live it. all you do is look like a fucking jealous knob cause you lack the discipline and willpower to better your self, cause after all, its so much easier to tear others down than to build your own self up.
tell you what, tough guy. since your so on point about what works and what doesnt post up a pic and show us all the stellar physique you've managed to create with what your doing. on second though let me save you some embarrassment and i'll tell you not to bother. it'll only humiliate you more than than your own envy has.
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Sorry to say that you have misread my post. I have clearly asked Galeniko and NoOne
I absolutely don't give a fuck about what you put in any of your orifices and find it quite funny you should so readily volunteer this when no one else seems to care either.
Now get the fuck out and please do not report on either the exciting walk with the dogs or the steak you are about to eat.
If I had been addressing you it would have been a PM, its a forum, its meant for anyone reading.
Now read the fucking thread you dumb shit, gal has already said many times how he gets in extra calories to maintain size.
prick.
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wow you will back anyone who has a go at me
who is the one with low self esteem :-*
you've been attacking gal and i this the whole thread. and now im having a go at you? this is the first time ive had enough of your bullshit to tell you to shut the fuck up. and produce a pic which would be very humiliating for you no doubt.
but im having a 'go at you' hahahahah what a fucking ponce you are. your not even in my league, sunshine. come back when you grow a spine.
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i keep reading your posts 'bigmc' and cannot help to realise how much of a bitch you have become as of late. why is this?
its too bad. you used to be a quality guy. now your just a too.
congrats on that, i guess.
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i keep reading your posts 'bigmc' and cannot help to realise how much of a bitch you have become as of late. why is this?
its too bad. you used to be a quality guy. now your just a too.
congrats on that, i guess.
triple post rookie style meltdown
i dont like scammers
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you've been attacking gal and i this the whole thread. and now im having a go at you? this is the first time ive had enough of your bullshit to tell you to shut the fuck up. and produce a pic which would be very humiliating for you no doubt.
but im having a 'go at you' hahahahah what a fucking ponce you are. your not even in my league, sunshine. come back when you grow a spine.
Just my .02 cents.
...early in the thread he agreed with the posting of you and gal..now he thinks it's over done so he's busting balls.
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Just my .02 cents.
...early in the thread he agreed with the posting of you and gal..now he thinks it's over done so he's busting balls.
that and the fact they are trying to rinse people for money
its funny how sensitive they have become now that they are trying to get financial gain
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Gal and NoOne
Great thread guys and I agree with pretty much everything here; thanks a lot for sharing this all. A few questions to Gal, however.
Why do you exercise with such high volume? If you already gave a reason for the huge volume that you do, I might have missed that. But I recall you saying you do like 40 sets for arms alone and also work out pretty much every day, right?
Especially since you say you are not trying to put on additional muscle mass, why such huge volume? I can see such volume being useful for burning additional calories, but you are already eating so few calories anyways.
Which brings me to my next question: Now you are 6 ft tall, 200+ lbs most of which is muscle, meaning your metabolic rate should be pretty high. On top of it all you are doing a lot of weight training. But when people ask what you typically eat, you outline a very low calorie eating plan. At the moment -and you say this has been so for the last 2 years at least- you aren't trying to lose much fat, right? You say you never go much above 8% BF or so and when you have to lose weight, it is a relatively small amount. Do I understand it correctly in that even when you are just trying to maintain, you eat very little carbs and very little fat?
If I misunderstood, can you give an example of what you would eat to just maintain a 5-6% BF, when you are not trying to lose fat. When I add up the numbers of what you normally eat to maintain, I am coming up with like 1300-1400 calories , which is way too low just to maintain (considering your muscle mass and activity levels). But again, maybe I misunderstood and those meals you mention are what you eat to lose fat, not to maintain. If I did, please share what it is that you typically eat to just maintain.
Thanks and everyone stay strong...
first point: cause its very hard we are finding to over train in this system. the body has become remarkably efficient at utilising cals, esp protein for anabolism. working out isnt just to get 'bigger' it betters you. creates density. burns more fat than cardio. creates that etching i so badly want. plus we both love to train., days off are for when we need to repair. we dont have 'i just dont feel like training today days' on this system. theres too much energy, too much drive to get that much leaner. you'll see when you start it.
the last question has been answered to exhaustion in this thread, thats part of the other reason we decided to do the book. to put all the info in one place. if you havent already take some time to review the whole thread. everything you have asked is in there. its not a waste of time. betterment of ones self never is. cheers.
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If they spend hundreds of hours putting something together that actually works for $20 for real people, what s the problem with that vs someone else pimping a supplement that is bs from BB.com that costs triple or even more?
So far the advice in this thread has helped me a bit no doubt -
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that and the fact they are trying to rinse people for money
its funny how sensitive they have become now that they are trying to get financial gain
are you fucking retarded? financial gain hahahahahahahaha $20 split two way is financial gain hahahahaha what a knob. lol holy shit awesome. thanks for that.
feel free to not participate in the purchase of my next lambo hahahaha financial gain he says
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are you fucking retarded? financial gain hahahahahahahaha $20 split two way is financial gain hahahahaha what a knob. lol holy shit awesome. thanks for that.
feel free to not participate in the purchase of my next lambo hahahaha financial gain he says
thanks for proving my point :)
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triple post rookie style meltdown
i dont like scammers
let me ask you a question.
have you EVER helped anyone on this board with adivse? i do it all the time. and in pm. constantly. fuck this thread is life changing for many. what do you do? nothing. just think your funny? not so much. all the while hiding some kind of massive insecurity.
maybe if you tried what we are saying, which you clearly havent you wouldnt be so negative. but instead its just easier to be, well, you. gross.
my deepest sympathy in that regards.
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thanks for proving my point :)
thanks for allowing me to make mine. dildo.
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let me ask you a question.
have you EVER helped anyone on this board with adivse? i do it all the time. and in pm. constantly. fuck this thread is life changing for many. what do you do? nothing. just think your funny? not so much. all the while hiding some kind of massive insecurity.
maybe if you tried what we are saying, which you clearly havent you wouldnt be so negative. but instead its just easier to be, well, you. gross.
my deepest sympathy in that regards.
yes ive helped alot of people via pm
its never crossed my mind to charge them
i understand why you are attacking me the decent part of you is uncomfortable with what you are doing
attack me all you want its water off a ducks back
we both know i dont give a fuck what people think of me on here
maybe you should try that approach instead of throwing tantrums like a pre menstrual girl
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we both know i dont give a fuck what people think of me on here
I can confirm thats true. :)
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If they spend hundreds of hours putting something together that actually works for $20 for real people, what s the problem with that vs someone else pimping a supplement that is bs from BB.com that costs triple or even more?
So far the advice in this thread has helped me a bit no doubt -
see, thats what it about. this ^
not $10. i own two properties and prolly clear more in a year than 'bigmc' grosses. one book 100 books no books it doesnt matter.
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see, thats what it about. this ^
not $10. i own two properties and prolly clear more in a year than 'bigmc' grosses. one book 100 books no books it doesnt matter.
No lie - you saw my last pic - ill post another up soon and you can see definite improvement and tightening up in midsection.
The hjardest part is mental. Just staying on this day in day out day in day out gets hard.
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yes ive helped alot of people via pm
its never crossed my mind to charge them
i understand why you are attacking me the decent part of you is uncomfortable with what you are doing
attack me all you want its water off a ducks back
we both know i dont give a fuck what people think of me on here
maybe you should try that approach instead of throwing tantrums like a pre menstrual girl
uh huh. im attacking you. go run to your mommy for help. lol
good thing you dont care what people think cause i can safely tell you most will think your a bitch after all this.
and nobody has pm'd you for advise of any kind. what are they going to say 'hey dude, can you help me get out of shape and up to 12% bf? how many big mac combos do you eat a day?'
tantrums he says- your the one crying about being attacked like a 'premenstrual girl' pansy.
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uh huh. im attacking you. go run to your mommy for help. lol
good thing you dont care what people think cause i can safely tell you most will think your a bitch after all this.
and nobody has pm'd you for advise of any kind. what are they going to say 'hey dude, can you help me get out of shape and up to 12% bf? how many big mac combos do you eat a day?'
ok stud muffin
at least you can tell your mommy all the fellas on here think you are great
oh and well done with the properties you fucking rule 8)
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No lie - you saw my last pic - ill post another up soon and you can see definite improvement and tightening up in midsection.
The hjardest part is mental. Just staying on this day in day out day in day out gets hard.
you having that meal every 4 days at night to manitenance? other than that ya, you just have to gut it out. that why this works so quickly. theres a bit of suffering but the changes come so quickly the desire to see what tomorrow brings outweighs the wanting to binge and blow a days prgress.
thats why its so easy to break your diet on 1800-2000 cal a day diets. the changes come so slow. frustratingly so. so guys break their diets. with this ive discovered what comes next is a bigger motivator that those chocolate chip/ brownie cookies in my freezer.
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the last question has been answered to exhaustion in this thread, thats part of the other reason we decided to do the book. to put all the info in one place. if you havent already take some time to review the whole thread. everything you have asked is in there. its not a waste of time. betterment of ones self never is. cheers.
Have read the thread and in many instances you guys talk about what you eat. However, I have not come across a clearly stated "This is what I would eat on an average day if I wanted to stay exactly where I am and maintain" sort of post. If it is there and I missed it, very possible...
I will look again, but if Gal could post again such an average day's food intake maybe it'd help to clear it all up; considering how little you guys eat, it'll be a few short lines of text anyways ;)
But if you guys are busy and want to avoid duplication, no worries.
Thanks again to both of you
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ok stud muffin
at least you can tell your mommy all the fellas on here think you are great
oh and well done with the properties you fucking rule 8)
this all the mighty 'bigmc' has' for me? lol talk about over-rated.
run along little boy.
come back when you have something of value to contribute, like my posts to 333386 and sub 7.
dont worry nobody will miss you if you dont. and wont care if you do. cause nobody wants to look like you anyway.
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this all the mighty 'bigmc' has' for me? lol talk about over-rated.
run along little boy.
come back when you have something of value to contribute, like my posts to 333386 and sub 7.
dont worry nobody will miss you if you dont. and wont care if you do. cause nobody wants to look like you anyway.
read that back
my five year old could come up with better
good luck with the book :)
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Question - is calorie count for consumption based on persons weight?
For example - Im 196lbs right now. Would the calorie count drop if I say get to 186?
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Have read the thread and in many instances you guys talk about what you eat. However, I have not come across a clearly stated "This is what I would eat on an average day if I wanted to stay exactly where I am and maintain" sort of post. If it is there and I missed it, very possible...
I will look again, but if Gal could post again such an average day's food intake maybe it'd help to clear it all up; considering how little you guys eat, it'll be a few short lines of text anyways ;)
But if you guys are busy and want to avoid duplication, no worries.
Thanks again to both of you
i eat the same things every day, the same amounts at the same times, cause i havent reached the point where i am happy, you know? noi matter how lean i get, theres always more i want. its become a very personal challenge to me.
i cant speak for gal, as he covers in depth what he does to maintain his physique year round in the book (i havent seen that chapter yet) but i can pretty much surmise alters the caloric intakes and frequencies. his low days stay low days. his fasted days are fasted days. all that remains the same as they are key. what he adjusts i believe would be cal intake on certain days at certain times.
this is to maintain at sub5%. truthfull unless you there i wouldnt worry about maintaining yet. your *this close* so keep going. see how much you can better yourself. there are a lot of guys who walk around at 7-8%%. fewer still a 6. i dont see anyone walking around daily as lean as Gal.thats kinda the point. thats what sets us apart.
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read that back
my five year old could come up with better
good luck with the book :)
thanks for the best wishes dude!
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thanks for the best wishes dude!
you have always been an inspiration to me
great athlete and proof that age is no excuse for not being ripped
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No lie - you saw my last pic - ill post another up soon and you can see definite improvement and tightening up in midsection.
The hjardest part is mental. Just staying on this day in day out day in day out gets hard.
The diet morphing you into a Norseman?
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Question - is calorie count for consumption based on persons weight?
For example - Im 196lbs right now. Would the calorie count drop if I say get to 186?
no. it doesnt need to be that complicated. trust me if your eating 800-1000 cals a day, you'll find that you dont want to cut them further or will need to.
theres a law of diminishing returns we have discovered when it comes to cutting cals. going lower doesnt give an appreciable decrease in bf as opposed to the problems going that low can bring, including muscle atrophy. see you need at least 800cal a day to get your protein in. thats one key to this whole thing. cause your body needs it for tissue repair and growth. protein for repair growth/ bodyfat for fuel. but 800cal is the limit on the low end i'd recommend.
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The diet morphing you into a Norseman?
I'm too short to get up on a horse remember? ;D ;D
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you have always been an inspiration to me
great athlete and proof that age is no excuse for not being ripped
im an inspiration to myself.
try it. instead of spending all your all your waking time online trying to tear others down you might better yourself and someone else in the process.
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BigMac showing some self esteem issues?
LOL! missed this one. awesome :D
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im an inspiration to myself.
try it. instead of spending all your all your waking time online trying to tear others down you might better yourself and someone else in the process.
i will try
thanks for the inspirational words
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i will try
thanks for the inspirational words
And for free too! ;D
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I'm too short to get up on a horse remember? ;D ;D
Not the original icelandic horses, as they were considerably smaller than the current norm. In fact men could outrun them for short distances.
/nerd
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And for free too! ;D
he pmd me an invoice for twenty bucks
money well spent
i feel like a new person 8)
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Have read the thread and in many instances you guys talk about what you eat. However, I have not come across a clearly stated "This is what I would eat on an average day if I wanted to stay exactly where I am and maintain" sort of post. If it is there and I missed it, very possible...
I will look again, but if Gal could post again such an average day's food intake maybe it'd help to clear it all up; considering how little you guys eat, it'll be a few short lines of text anyways ;)
But if you guys are busy and want to avoid duplication, no worries.
Thanks again to both of you
Hey man,
I'm doing the Gal/No One plan. Here's what I eat every day (except re-feed meals twice weekly on Thurs and Sun).
It's my "soup":
700g of chicken breast
2 cups of consomme stock
1 cup of water
1 onion
2 carrots
1 green pepper
500 ml of canned tomatoes
5 stalks of celery
about 1/2 cup of various spices (garlic, pepper, tumeric, fennel, coriander, basil, oregano, thyme, rosemary, salt, etc...)
1/2 cup of corn (sometimes)
1/2 cup of peas
1/2 cup of green beans
Put the chicken and stock and spices in a slow cooker. After four hours, shred the chicken, then add everything else. Leave on low overnight. Put in fridge in the morning. Eat it all later that night before bed. It's like 2 liters of food and I feel stuffed. But not much more than 1000calories.
I start the chicken simmering when I get home from work. Then before bed, add the other veggies while I'm eating what I made the night before.
It's the healthiest food you can imagine - chicken, veggies, spices and lots of liquid. Great for hydration. Great for the skin and hair and muscles and even bowel movements (which is usually problematic for me when I cut calories very low)...it works. And best of all, you feel real full - I defy you to want to binge after eating 2-3 liters of soup. If you can make it thru the day without snacking, this soup will be a welcome reward at night. Soup is the master of appetite control foods. And you can make it a little different each time with different veggies to suit your tastes and mix it up (like putting in egglplant, or whatever...).
Try it. It works. Fits perfectly with the Gal/No one plan.
It's kind of how No One does it. Dependable food portions, easy to make, easy to eat, and no fuss. I make a grand total of five dishes every day: a slow cooker pot, a knife, a spoon, a big bowl, and a cutting board.
I used to be a bit more liberal with my food choices (as posted earlier on this thread), but I've been trying the soup-only thing based on what No One has been talkign about. He piqued my interest and I thought "hell, what have I got to lose". He was right. It's a bit harder than what I used to do, in terms of enjoying variety. But it's also a hell of a lot easier in terms of disciplining myself. I'm all about easy food...I find prepping food to be tiresome and tedious now as I get older. I just want to get in, eat, and get out. I'm not finding as much pleasure in preparing foods as I used to.
Whenever I get home from work early enough, I just have some of the soup at dinner with the family. The kids think I'm crazy, but I tell them it's daddy's superman soup, and my son then says "ok dad...it's good to have muscles and have laser eyes..."
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It's my "soup":
700g of chicken breast
2 cups of consomme stock
1 cup of water
1 onion
2 carrots
1 green pepper
500 ml of canned tomatoes
5 stalks of celery
about 1/2 cup of various spices (garlic, pepper, tumeric, fennel, coriander, basil, oregano, thyme, rosemary, salt, etc...)
1/2 cup of corn (sometimes)
1/2 cup of peas
1/2 cup of green beans
Put the chicken and stock and spices in a slow cooker. After four hours, shred the chicken, then add everything else. Leave on low overnight. Put in fridge in the morning. Eat it all later that night before bed. It's like 2 liters of food and I feel stuffed. But not much more than 1000calories.
I start the chicken simmering when I get home from work. Then before bed, add the other veggies while I'm eating what I made the night before.
Seems a lot of fucking about to me.
Just cook your chicken on a George foreman grill in 5 minutes and take it to work.
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he pmd me an invoice for twenty bucks
money well spent
i feel like a new person 8)
now comes the hard part - dieting.
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I've lost 35pounds on this diet the only difference is I get about 6000 Cal on the weekends from beer. No food though. How much strength should you lose. Because I'm losing alot
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Seems a lot of fucking about to me.
Just cook your chicken on a George foreman grill in 5 minutes and take it to work.
Tasteless.
Also, your plan isn't without it's share of fucking about too. I've done that enough to burn out my fair share of foreman grills.
Plus, then you still gotta pack veggies.
Try feeling full and satisfied eating dry chicken and microwaved veggies - been there, and no thanks. I'm not a fucking monk. I'm still a man who likes to eat something tasty until he's full.
You can keep your dry chicken and re-heated veggies. I'll take a modicum of fucking around to get some decent taste into the meals. But not so much that I go Martha Stewart crazy.
To each his own. Just sharing one man's journey.
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I've lost 35pounds on this diet the only difference is I get about 6000 Cal on the weekends from beer. No food though. How much strength should you lose. Because I'm losing alot
Dude...that's a lot of brew on the weekends. And that's coming from me, which is saying something, if you knew me.
I have maybe a dozen to maybe 18 a week (split over Thurs/Sun). That counts as my refeed too. Doesn't seem to hurt me.
Sometimes it's scotch instead of beer.
Would rather have a drink than eat junk food.
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Tasteless.
Also, your plan isn't without it's share of fucking about too. I've done that enough to burn out my fair share of foreman grills.
Plus, then you still gotta pack veggies.
Try feeling full and satisfied eating dry chicken and microwaved veggies - been there, and no thanks. I'm not a fucking monk. I'm still a man who likes to eat something tasty until he's full.
You can keep your dry chicken and re-heated veggies. I'll take a modicum of fucking around to get some decent taste into the meals. But not so much that I go Martha Stewart crazy.
To each his own. Just sharing one man's journey.
Then you have missed the point of this thread, its about living like a fucking monk and suffering, Im sure they will both back me on that, its only "good times", when you get to 6% and below.
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Yeah I know its alot. Usually 30 bud lights on Friday and 30 on sat
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Yeah I know its alot. Usually 30 bud lights on Friday and 30 on sat
have you tried spirits with diet soda
you could lose a massive amount of calories right there
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Yeah I actually just started to only drink diet coke and vodka. Its just gets old after half a fith.
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Limeys on a reign of terror against certain skimps trying to cash in on doling out free information in this thread.
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Then you have missed the point of this thread, its about living like a fucking monk and suffering, Im sure they will both back me on that, its only "good times", when you get to 6% and below.
I agree that one of the tenets is to "get used to sufffering", but I think there are ways to mitigate suffering while still achieving all objectives of the plan.
Spices can help mitigate suffering without adding calories.
Calorie-free liquids can help mitigate suffering without adding calories.
Extremism for it's own sake is pretty stupid and childish. Extremism with purpose is worthwhile.
Intelligence is understanding the objective, and modifying the strategy to take advantage of strengths/weaknesses to reach the objective.
My strengths:
1. I can starve all day long, as long as I know I get to eat a giant meal at night
2. I can train as hard on an empty stomach as I can with a full stomach
3. I'm a pretty good cook
4. I can eat the same thing day-in-and-day-out, as long as it tastes good
5. I don't crave carbs. Just fats and proteins.
My weaknesses:
1. I like my food to taste good (which is not the same as "more calories")
2. I like to feel full after my meal
3. I like to eat at night
The objective: take calories down to 1000 or less per day to leave no doubt that I will lose fat as quickly as possible.
My strategy:
Exploit my strengths and weaknesses (above) to get me there. Soup does the trick. In time, I'll find something else that does it just as well (I'm thinking giant salads...though I like cheese and nuts, and you just can't have enough cheese and nuts to feel good about it when you're eating 1000 cal/day. But I might get there anyways).
I'm also thinking giant stir-fry - lots of meat and veggies and worchester sauce and soy sauce and hot sauce and ginger and a bit of low-sugar O.J. and just a dab of corn starch to thicken it up.
Objectives and strategies. The secret to everything in life. Business, bodybuilding, relationships...it's where it all starts.
Have an objective, and set a strategy that allows you to harness your unique sustainable competitive advantage whilst mitigating your weaknesses.
You're a smart guy who likes to troll...but I'm sure you get it. You obviously do the same thing (objective/strategy) to look the way you do. You just set different objectives, and use your own strategies that work for you. I've no problem with that. To each his own.
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Exploit my strengths and weaknesses (above) to get me there. Soup does the trick. In time, I'll find something else that does it just as well (I'm thinking giant salads...though I like cheese and nuts, and you just can't have enough cheese and nuts to feel good about it when you're eating 1000 cal/day. But I might get there anyways).
Sounds very similar to me. And I can say from experience that giant salads work. Lots of possible variations.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=482578.0
Wait a second - how can Bigmc start a thread like this asking for diet advice from others and then attack No One and Gal who have already given a blueprint of what to do and then be compensated a measily $10 each for all the knowledge they put together you really have a hard time getting anywhere else?
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I agree that one of the tenets is to "get used to sufffering", but I think there are ways to mitigate suffering while still achieving all objectives of the plan.
Spices can help mitigate suffering without adding calories.
Calorie-free liquids can help mitigate suffering without adding calories.
Extremism for it's own sake is pretty stupid and childish. Extremism with purpose is worthwhile.
Intelligence is understanding the objective, and modifying the strategy to take advantage of strengths/weaknesses to reach the objective.
My strengths:
1. I can starve all day long, as long as I know I get to eat a giant meal at night
2. I can train as hard on an empty stomach as I can with a full stomach
3. I'm a pretty good cook
4. I can eat the same thing day-in-and-day-out, as long as it tastes good
5. I don't crave carbs. Just fats and proteins.
My weaknesses:
1. I like my food to taste good (which is not the same as "more calories")
2. I like to feel full after my meal
3. I like to eat at night
The objective: take calories down to 1000 or less per day to leave no doubt that I will lose fat as quickly as possible.
My strategy:
Exploit my strengths and weaknesses (above) to get me there. Soup does the trick. In time, I'll find something else that does it just as well (I'm thinking giant salads...though I like cheese and nuts, and you just can't have enough cheese and nuts to feel good about it when you're eating 1000 cal/day. But I might get there anyways).
I'm also thinking giant stir-fry - lots of meat and veggies and worchester sauce and soy sauce and hot sauce and ginger and a bit of low-sugar O.J. and just a dab of corn starch to thicken it up.
Objectives and strategies. The secret to everything in life. Business, bodybuilding, relationships...it's where it all starts.
Have an objective, and set a strategy that allows you to harness your unique sustainable competitive advantage whilst mitigating your weaknesses.
You're a smart guy who likes to troll...but I'm sure you get it. You obviously do the same thing (objective/strategy) to look the way you do. You just set different objectives, and use your own strategies that work for you. I've no problem with that. To each his own.
the way you yankees pronounce wooster sauce grates like fuck on me...
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the way you yankees pronounce wooster sauce grates like fuck on me...
Saying "wooster sauce" would be a lot fucking easier. First time i read worcestershire, my brain simply couldn't compute. It basically SHUT DOWN!!!
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yes, the shires never translate into north american...
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the way you yankees pronounce wooster sauce grates like fuck on me...
LOL...as I typed it (and got too lazy to look up spelling) I knew one of you brits would pounce on me! ;D
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=482578.0
Wait a second - how can Bigmc start a thread like this asking for diet advice from others and then attack No One and Gal who have already given a blueprint of what to do and then be compensated a measily $10 each for all the knowledge they put together you really have a hard time getting anywhere else?
we help each other out on the y board for free
dont post there if you dont like it
you wont be missed
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we help each other out on the y board for free
dont post there if you dont like it
you wont be missed
You have been helped for free already. Put the BigMac down and re-read this thread.
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You have been helped for free already. Put the BigMac down and re-read this thread.
whats your point
are you so desperate to score points
maybe n one will laugh at your joke again
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I agree that one of the tenets is to "get used to sufffering", but I think there are ways to mitigate suffering while still achieving all objectives of the plan.
Spices can help mitigate suffering without adding calories.
Calorie-free liquids can help mitigate suffering without adding calories.
Extremism for it's own sake is pretty stupid and childish. Extremism with purpose is worthwhile.
Intelligence is understanding the objective, and modifying the strategy to take advantage of strengths/weaknesses to reach the objective.
My strengths:
1. I can starve all day long, as long as I know I get to eat a giant meal at night
2. I can train as hard on an empty stomach as I can with a full stomach
3. I'm a pretty good cook
4. I can eat the same thing day-in-and-day-out, as long as it tastes good
5. I don't crave carbs. Just fats and proteins.
My weaknesses:
1. I like my food to taste good (which is not the same as "more calories")
2. I like to feel full after my meal
3. I like to eat at night
The objective: take calories down to 1000 or less per day to leave no doubt that I will lose fat as quickly as possible.
My strategy:
Exploit my strengths and weaknesses (above) to get me there. Soup does the trick. In time, I'll find something else that does it just as well (I'm thinking giant salads...though I like cheese and nuts, and you just can't have enough cheese and nuts to feel good about it when you're eating 1000 cal/day. But I might get there anyways).
I'm also thinking giant stir-fry - lots of meat and veggies and worchester sauce and soy sauce and hot sauce and ginger and a bit of low-sugar O.J. and just a dab of corn starch to thicken it up.
Objectives and strategies. The secret to everything in life. Business, bodybuilding, relationships...it's where it all starts.
Have an objective, and set a strategy that allows you to harness your unique sustainable competitive advantage whilst mitigating your weaknesses.
You're a smart guy who likes to troll...but I'm sure you get it. You obviously do the same thing (objective/strategy) to look the way you do. You just set different objectives, and use your own strategies that work for you. I've no problem with that. To each his own.
Exactly.
I can get down to any level of body fat I choose and dont need to fuck up my social life in the process.(and so can anyone else)
I used to compete and just dieted Monday to Friday (Chicken and rice and oats basically) and had weekends off and ate what I wanted
I am getting down a bit while the weather's nice but Im eating anything I like, I just eat small portions.
If I feel hungry during the day then I know my body is burning fat.
There is no need to go to extremes regardless of what some may tell you.
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Exactly.
I can get down to any level of body fat I choose and dont need to fuck up my social life in the process.(and so can anyone else)
I used to compete and just dieted Monday to Friday (Chicken and rice and oats basically) and had weekends off and ate what I wanted
I am getting down a bit while the weather's nice but Im eating anything I like, I just eat small portions.
If I feel hungry during the day then I know my body is burning fat.
There is no need to go to extremes regardless of what some may tell you.
Correct - but lets say you have friends or others who have never been in good shape etc and ask for something that works - I think this thread is as realistic as it gets without the lies and bs sold on the tv, mag ads, etc.
Lately - when my fat ass friends ask for diet advice or whatever - I just send this link to this thread and tell them to read it and absorb what people are saying here inatead of gimmickc, etc.
For people who never did this shit before they are like in a fog of confusion
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Exactly.
I can get down to any level of body fat I choose and dont need to fuck up my social life in the process.(and so can anyone else)
I used to compete and just dieted Monday to Friday (Chicken and rice and oats basically) and had weekends off and ate what I wanted
I am getting down a bit while the weather's nice but Im eating anything I like, I just eat small portions.
If I feel hungry during the day then I know my body is burning fat.
There is no need to go to extremes regardless of what some may tell you.
Your body will fight you when under a certain bf level regardless so what would be the benefit in prolonging the dieting process?
Getting to 8% is not that hard but when trying to go under that is when it gets rough for most of us.
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Correct - but lets say you have friends or others who have never been in good shape etc and ask for something that works - I think this thread is as realistic as it gets without the lies and bs sold on the tv, mag ads, etc.
Lately - when my fat ass friends ask for diet advice or whatever - I just send this link to this thread and tell them to read it and absorb what people are saying here inatead of gimmickc, etc.
For people who never did this shit before they are like in a fog of confusion
I can give them something much easier than a book.
Fat twat "I cant lose weight"
Me "You are eating too much, cut your portions in half and weigh yourself next week, if you have lost weight, keep doing it until you stop losing weight and then cut them by half again, thank me in 6 months."
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I can give them something much easier than a book.
Fat twat "I cant lose weight"
Me "You are eating too much, cut your portions in half and weigh yourself next week, if you have lost weight, keep doing it until you stop losing weight and then cut them by half again, thank me in 6 months."
;D
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Your body will fight you when under a certain bf level regardless so what would be the benefit in prolonging the dieting process?
Getting to 8% is not that hard but when trying to go under that is when it gets rough for most of us.
It will regardless of what diet you are following.
This diet is bordering on "rabbit starvation" once you get down low, and thats not good for anyone.
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It will regardless of what diet you are following.
This diet is bordering on "rabbit starvation" once you get down low, and thats not good for anyone.
I know a few natural competitors and this is what their diets resemble in the last stage more or less. Do you think one should remain over a bf percentage for health purposes?
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hold on, where is the scam?
@noone, yeah those 800 cals gotta be there, but theres exceptions, when glycogen stores are full, they not needed, would you agree?
well, i wont be helping anyone for free anymore, why would i.
even a single one critic is enough to make me not help anyone for free anymore, i dont like your reaction here, if you dont want the book and spend 10usd on it, then dont have it.
capitalist rule of market, but if you think ill write down stuff in my free spare time,every minute just to get such "appreciation" by you calling a scam(thank you very much) and the originaly bitchlike comments from cesipussy, why would i bother.
im not some sucker putting serious effort behind this be called all kinds of stuff and then offer free advice.
theres plenty diets out there, try them, none are as good as this one, everyone knows this, i dont care if one is university educated and has best publisher, haha, this diet, everyone knows it deep inside, works perfectly.
look if you dont like to pay for it, just do the bitch move and download it for free somewhere, im sure itll be copied and put up there in no time.
i dont care, and i think noone doesnt care either.
but calling serious work a scam, baselessly, this is below the line.but feel free to do so.
but do not expect me or noone to be so dumb and offer free help after such reactions.
@jeff, ofc there is no need to go to extremes, but it was aske how i do it.i chose the extreme way,for its shorter.i hate dieting,and want be through it asap.
and i get social life too.and the last bit from 6% all the way down will be not so great fun on any diet,that why so few regularly manage to do it, they become umnotivated even by just thinking about that time.
i just found how i can stay very close to that and get there on very short notice,while getting away with "social" foods.
i gotten there on the conventional way before, on all the fatburners and all that and i swear this way is easier.
noone claims the same.
i mean most are just interested to get down to 6% and stay round there anyway.just saying the last part isnt even that bad.
i havent asked for your help
you look great and so does no one i have no problem giving either of you props
i just dont agree with charging people
the thread started well and now its just like a supplement add
thats my opinion i am sure it wont matter a fuck to either of you so lets leave it at that :-*
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I know a few natural competitors and this is what their diets resemble in the last stage more or less. Do you think one should remain over a bf percentage for health purposes?
As much as I would like to not accept this as reality - it is - the only way to get down to where you want to be is real hardcore dedication and suffering over time.
But when you wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and see progress day after day - little by little - you can justify eating like this although it really gets fucking old and boring after awhile.
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Are "stimulants" included in this book ???
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I';ve been training since last weekend, non stop. 7 days in row.
Upped the ammount of lifting I do as well, I generally do boxing/bagwork then cardio. Still lost like 4-5lbs, but lets saay lost 4 lbs. Once your body adjusts to very low calories and lots of protein intake as long as you
don't fuck it up by overeating carbs and fats it will turn into a fat burning furnace. Also sleep a lot, I sleep at least 9 hrs a day.
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I know a few natural competitors and this is what their diets resemble in the last stage more or less. Do you think one should remain over a bf percentage for health purposes?
Depends where you live, it's fucking freezing in the UK for around 6 months and low bodyfat levels (4/5%) isnt healthy for a cold environment.
Walking around in the Caribbean sub 4% is OK
The organs have surroundings of fat that act as support and cushion the organs and protect them, you dont want to diet that away.
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I';ve been training since last weekend, non stop. 7 days in row.
Upped the ammount of lifting I do as well, I generally do boxing/bagwork then cardio. Still lost like 4-5lbs, but lets saay lost 4 lbs. Once your body adjusts to very low calories and lots of protein intake as long as you
don't fuck it up by overeating carbs and fats it will turn into a fat burning furnace. Also sleep a lot, I sleep at least 9 hrs a day.
If you do Bag work - check out this program - its awesome.
http://www.amazon.com/Bas-Rutten-MMA-System-Workout/dp/B0013Z4R78/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372792733&sr=8-1&keywords=bas+rutten
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a fitness trainer told me must be half the year over 8%.
i dont see why.
ok 4and 5s is ,i can see how thats not themost healthy.but 6-8 year round im perfectly fine
I would have agreed with over 8% over a year ago when I was fatter but the body does adapt. Too little and the body just doesn't work as it should.....more susceptible to illness, injury, extreme lethargy etc. I think this number is different for everyone from my experience. If anyone can take anything away from this galeniko system is not to get fat in the first place.
As much as I would like to not accept this as reality - it is - the only way to get down to where you want to be is real hardcore dedication and suffering over time.
But when you wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and see progress day after day - little by little - you can justify eating like this although it really gets fucking old and boring after awhile.
Its not easy but anything worth attaining comes with a price.
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Depends where you live, it's fucking freezing in the UK for around 6 months and low bodyfat levels (4/5%) isnt healthy for a cold environment.
Walking around in the Caribbean sub 4% is OK
The organs have surroundings of fat that act as support and cushion the organs and protect them, you dont want to diet that away.
sub 4 ;D
That's the thing... no matter where you live to maintain that bf you're probably eating next to nothing. So your body becomes more prone to illness because of the lack of nutrients but also something happens in the body when you have abnormal fat levels....shuts down! ...ask cswol ;D
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yes at that level needs bit fine-tuning, when you feel theres lack of nutitients, you will feel that btw haha, then its important to give some, but without having the meltdown.
its a thin line between binge meltdown and getting the flu there.
the honorable "disgusted" agrrees on this, we talked about that shaortly in pms.
Yeah it has to be some sort of biological response from the body...
The binging man ;D
It really sucks but I know I'm getting in good shape when I rather eat a cake then have sex...both at the same time is heaven though. ;D
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Saying "wooster sauce" would be a lot fucking easier. First time i read worcestershire, my brain simply couldn't compute. It basically SHUT DOWN!!!
Haha that's the way I pronounce it too, "Wooster shire" sauce :)
Even as a little kid
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Exactly.
I can get down to any level of body fat I choose and dont need to fuck up my social life in the process.(and so can anyone else)
I used to compete and just dieted Monday to Friday (Chicken and rice and oats basically) and had weekends off and ate what I wanted
I am getting down a bit while the weather's nice but Im eating anything I like, I just eat small portions.
If I feel hungry during the day then I know my body is burning fat.
There is no need to go to extremes regardless of what some may tell you.
you know what dude for a guy who hasn't even tried this diet your making a lot of assumptions.
'rabbit starvation'? I have never ever felt starved. hungry yes. but that's par for the course in any diet.
another thing you mention is social life and living like a monk. I don't know many monks who eat 15k cal over three day weekends consisting of BBQ, coronas and peanut butter pie. ya I'm really suffering over here. I feel like I'm living in Tibet.
maybe if you tried it instead of suppositioning and casting dispersions you might have a greater appreciation for it.
everyone is entitled to an opinion but to base your stance on what you perceive to be instead of what is fact based on personal experience doesn't really lend well to supporting whatever your trying to get at. lol
you are able to diet the way you do cause maybe you are already lean and you know your body well enough to do it the way you prefer. not everyone has that luxury. esp those who want to get in shape the most efficient way possible. this is for them.
I get you don't like it. no sweat off my balls. but if your going to debate it have a foundation in it instead if blindly negging it. the countless people doing it and seeing MASSIVE success apparently don't share your views. that alone should tell you something. and if it doesn't that's cool too. to each their own.
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lol 'bigmac' and ukjeff you guys can bash the shit out of this till your blue in the face.
and NONE of it matters. you know why? cause it cannot be debated that IT WORKS FASTER AND MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN ANY OTHER DIET OUT THERE. period.
those are facts. irrefutable. conclusive. and backed by countless testimonials in this thread.
so keep on grinding guys. cause your negativity only brings us more attention. :)
galeniko/ no one approved.
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Just need to face facts, had you said you were charging from the start then you wouldn't have got this shit.But saying it would be free and you would never charge ,then suddenly doing a 180 to charging 20 dollars makes you look like a couple of lying deceptive shysters.I can just imagine the delusional private messages between them both, " hey bro '70 pages!if we charge we'll earn a fortune!make up some shit about being angry for being criticised and that's why we'll charge, even though it makes no sense!"
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Just need to face facts, had you said you were charging from the start then you wouldn't have got this shit.But saying it would be free and you would never charge ,then suddenly doing a 180 to charging 20 dollars makes you look like a couple of lying deceptive shysters.I can just imagine the delusional private messages between them both, " hey bro '70 pages!if we charge we'll earn a fortune!make up some shit about being angry for being criticised and that's why we'll charge, even though it makes no sense!"
we're charging $20 for it. get over it. it's time you dealt with it cause your constant whining is unbecoming.
I've repeated adnauseum why we decided to charge for the book. calculating my personal time putting it together I'm making a whole dollar an hour. that's just for MY TIME. not even accounting for the value of the info. that's free. if your too dense to get why that's your problem.
I've never seen two people bitch so much about $20. how fucking broke are you anyway? tell you what, bigtime, give me the info i need to western union you and bigmac $20 so you can buy some more cans of soup.
we could have charged a $100 for this info and it would have been a gift. but its not the info your buying its the time im taking out if my day to compile it all.
who the fuck are you to expect or demand anything of me for free? your FUCKING LUCKY im even sharing this info. people pay thousands for this info. think that's an exaggeration? lol it's not. hire a top 'perp guy' a minimum monthly payment plus a one time fee. and your crying about a whole $20.
I'm sorry sunshine. my time is valuable. maybe you have plenty while waiting for buses and standing in line at the soup kitchen but I don't have that luxury. so get over it. it is what it is. don't like it? too bad. don't buy it, hardtimes.
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Shady grifters is what they are.
Sad that so many have fallen for the come-on.
ya. guys are changing their bodies in record time. must be their imaginations.
one user a few posts back has only lost 35 pounds. maybe his scale isn't working correctly.
real shady shit here. we're just roping people in with a system that has zero merit.
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It wouldn't be getbig without the hating trolls. This is to be expected.
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It wouldn't be getbig without the hating trolls. This is to be expected.
Getbig has always turned on shameless promotion
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Getbig has always turned on shameless promotion
I've told galeniko to leave getbig if he wanted to make money off of this. He laughed and said it's not about making money. Is that so hard to believe?
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I've told galeniko to leave getbig if he wanted to make money off of this. He laughed and said it's not about making money. Is that so hard to believe?
It's starting to read like an infomercial, I fail to see what about this diet couldn't be summed up on an a4 sheet of paper.
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Then don't buy it. Why are you crying about it? It's twenty bucks, I've had 20 bucks worth of entertainment from this thread alone. Forgot to quote, for army.
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Getbig has always turned on shameless promotion
answer my question. who the fuck are you to expect or demand anything of me for free. your a gnat it would seem. a parasitic flea who needs to feed off others cause it lacks the ability to do anything for itself. you go thru life like this? I pity you and those you associate with.
I messaged gal. told him I was done trying to help you fucking ingrates. and I really and truly am. told him I'd be happy to finish the book and give it to people we know in real life who approach us constantly for advise and tell you, bigmc and a few others and the rest of getbig to go fuck themselves and ruin a good thing for many people.
I'll leave it up to him what we do. wouldn't break my heart to see this entire thread deleted. I know one thing. I'll never openly help another living soul on this board cause of people like you.
nice going, mouthpiece.
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yah its bit weird how many americans turn communst about 10or 20usd :D
im not affraid of the reviews, i know its a very good book.
They more than likely look like shit.
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answer my question. who the fuck are you to expect or demand anything of me for free. your a gnat it would seem. a parasitic flea who needs to feed off others cause it lacks the ability to do anything for itself. you go thru life like this? I pity you and those you associate with.
I messaged gal. told him I was done trying to help you fucking ingrates. and I really and truly am. told him I'd be happy to finish the book and give it to people we know in real life who approach us constantly for advise and tell you, bigmc and a few others and the rest of getbig to go fuck themselves and ruin a good thing for many people.
I'll leave it up to him what we do. wouldn't break my heart to see this entire thread deleted. I know one thing. I'll never openly help another living soul on this board cause of people like you.
nice going, mouthpiece.
This is exactly the type of reaction these guys want. ;D
Galeniko ...so calm and well poised. You're a lot smarter than you look. ;D
You should write a book on life I'll buy that one this one I don't know. lol
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No One/Gal,
I don't know why you bother wasting your time and energy on someone who is obviously trolling.
You should just ignore them and they would stop, otherwise if you reply they will keep trolling.
I for one as many others am happy to pay $20 (hopefully I will survive without it) and to be honest I would do the same thing and charge people.
Why would I waste my time and knowledge earned through personal experience and give it for free?
This might change someone lives for better and forever.
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yeah you have profiteered from our frendship and know eevrything anway ;D
would our discusions fit into an a4 page?
Yeah if anything I owe you more than the price of that book ;D
The gist of any diet can be summarized in a few points but its the knowledge and first hand experience you have that needs a lot more detail. This is what other authors don't have...plenty of people have written diet books but they look like absolute shit.
Lets face it... staying above 8% bodyfat is settling for plain mediocrity. This diet will get you to that point the quickest if you're fat and even quicker below that point if you can tough it out for a few weeks.
At the end of the day if someone wants it they'll buy it if not it's not like you guys are gonna be out on the street begging for change.
in b4 I must be getting some sort of cut lol
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answer my question. who the fuck are you to expect or demand anything of me for free. your a gnat it would seem. a parasitic flea who needs to feed off others cause it lacks the ability to do anything for itself. you go thru life like this? I pity you and those you associate with.
I messaged gal. told him I was done trying to help you fucking ingrates. and I really and truly am. told him I'd be happy to finish the book and give it to people we know in real life who approach us constantly for advise and tell you, bigmc and a few others and the rest of getbig to go fuck themselves and ruin a good thing for many people.
I'll leave it up to him what we do. wouldn't break my heart to see this entire thread deleted. I know one thing. I'll never openly help another living soul on this board cause of people like you.
nice going, mouthpiece.
Calm down Gloria, you are starting to give away your power bottom status.80+ pages on how many different ways you can say eat 800 calories of protein and some green veggies a day, lose fat.Someone needs to get outside.
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LOL at people thinking $10 is making money on this. Barely pays for anything
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I just have to say .....I see real value in this thread and I greatly appreciate Gal and no one .........They have been totally gentleman to me personally as well .....I would gladly pay 20 bucks to read their book ......it is real world info .....sometimes work really works is not what science suggests ......I have seen this regarding so many things throught my life and especially in bbing .......Thanks again .....let me know when and where you want your money sent .....and I am sure I could help turn some clients your way as well once you figure out your costs for on line training ......All the best .......stop defending yourself .....let the other guys have doubt , judge , or discredit ......You belief in yourselves and what you are doing .....They are entitled to their opinions .....respect them and never take it personal ......In fact , never take anything personal .....I promise you that only hurts you !!! .......Good luck fellas .....I am around for you two as well
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I just have to say .....I see real value in this thread and I greatly appreciate Gal and no one .........They have been totally gentleman to me personally as well .....I would gladly pay 20 bucks to read their book ......it is real world info .....sometimes work really works is not what science suggests ......I have seen this regarding so many things throught my life and especially in bbing .......Thanks again .....let me know when and where you want your money sent .....and I am sure I could help turn some clients your way as well once you figure out your costs for on line training ......All the best .......stop defending yourself .....let the other guys have doubt , judge , or discredit ......You belief in yourselves and what you are doing .....They are entitled to their opinions .....respect them and never take it personal ......In fact , never take anything personal .....I promise you that only hurts you !!! .......Good luck fellas .....I am around for you two as well
its funny. i opened this thread and scrolled thru the posts and your was the last one, and truthfully the only one i took the time to read, if only cause i dont want to re hash the same bs that has no basis or foundation other than what its rooted in jealousy and ill intent.
that being said, you continue to remind me how much of a class act you are. i could, and will, take away from everything you wrote in the post. you remind me how better minds think, and dont get caught up in the vitriol others spew. so many salient points here i could address. words spoken by someone who has lived a long time, maybe not chronologically, but in 'real' time.
thanks for the kind words and the reminder. im looking forward to your review of the book.
cheers dude- coronas on me next time im in LV if thats still your home.
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Just a note on this -
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/1/1//110e6_ORIG-LyleMcDonald1.jpg).
People love to throw that picture out to discredit Lyle, but it's not really fair. That was his first or second real meet years ago, and he really doesn't hold himself out there as a powerlifting guru in the way, that say, Rippetoe or Simmons does. He's always been more on the general fitness side of things, with a bias toward endurance sports. Infact, he was a very decent speed skater, decent enough that he had a shot at the Olympic trails at an advanced age, so that counts for something.
Lyle's main strength is that he's honest about things, if he doesn't know he admits it, or finds someone that does know to explain it. I've never seen him lie about drugs or there role in certain areas. He is probably the most honest of the gurus out there.
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Just a note on this -
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/1/1//110e6_ORIG-LyleMcDonald1.jpg).
People love to throw that picture out to discredit Lyle, but it's not really fair. That was his first or second real meet years ago, and he really doesn't hold himself out there as a powerlifting guru in the way, that say, Rippetoe or Simmons does. He's always been more on the general fitness side of things, with a bias toward endurance sports. Infact, he was a very decent speed skater, decent enough that he had a shot at the Olympic trails at an advanced age, so that counts for something.
Lyle's main strength is that he's honest about things, if he doesn't know he admits it, or finds someone that does know to explain it. I've never seen him lie about drugs or there role in certain areas. He is probably the most honest of the gurus out there.
You're not helping him. If he actually had to train to lift 335 that's even sadder. And if he's so honest, he should be honest with himself and choose a different hobby.
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No, but to judge one's right to be a "Guru" based on something like that picture is a silly premiss. A guru should only be judged by one thing - "Are they getting results for their people?" . In Lyle's case the majority of the people that buy his books are more on the regular side of spectrum, as opposed to hardcore guys, and for them, he is earning his keep.
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Lyle is a douche and looks like he never touched a weight in his life.. But his PMSF is basically gals diet, just with added fish oil.
Also he made layme nerdstrom cry
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using gimmicks to promote you argument
priceless ;D
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Lyle is a douche and looks like he never touched a weight in his life.. But his PMSF is basically gals diet, just with added fish oil.
Also he made layme nerdstrom cry
Did he?
Do you happen to have a link to thread or video?
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Just a note on this -
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/1/1//110e6_ORIG-LyleMcDonald1.jpg).
People love to throw that picture out to discredit Lyle, but it's not really fair. That was his first or second real meet years ago, and he really doesn't hold himself out there as a powerlifting guru in the way, that say, Rippetoe or Simmons does. He's always been more on the general fitness side of things, with a bias toward endurance sports. Infact, he was a very decent speed skater, decent enough that he had a shot at the Olympic trails at an advanced age, so that counts for something.
Lyle's main strength is that he's honest about things, if he doesn't know he admits it, or finds someone that does know to explain it. I've never seen him lie about drugs or there role in certain areas. He is probably the most honest of the gurus out there.
do you have any idea what his weight was there?
if he was competing in the 14's, 23's or even the 32's then that's not a bad pull
but word has it that's he's a huge fucking douchebag
and what's was his bench at this meet, any idea?
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do you have any idea what his weight was there?
if he was competing in the 14's, 23's or even the 32's then that's not a bad pull
but word has it that's he's a huge fucking douchebag
and what's was his bench at this meet, any idea?
Unfortunatelly, that's 25+25+2.5+2.5+20 = 75kg, lol.
Hopefully weight colors are not standard and it's 50+50+20+5+5=130kg but that's still shitty. I lifted that after half a year of training at impressive 59kg bodyweight lol.
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Unfortunatelly, that's 25+25+2.5+2.5+20 = 75kg, lol.
Hopefully weight colors are not standard and it's 50+50+20+5+5=130kg but that's still shitty. I lifted that after half a year of training at impressive 59kg bodyweight lol.
so if it's 75 kg ie. 165 pounds instead of 335 pounds then that is brutal
a friend of mine pulled 405 @ 132 and benched 290 (without a bench shirt) in a sanctioned meet, so those are decent numbers for a 32er
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Unfortunatelly, that's 25+25+2.5+2.5+20 = 75kg, lol.
Hopefully weight colors are not standard and it's 50+50+20+5+5=130kg but that's still shitty. I lifted that after half a year of training at impressive 59kg bodyweight lol.
and how the fuck do you train legs heavy twice a week ???
and you also pull heavy twice a week, right?
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and how the fuck do you train legs heavy twice a week ???
and you also pull heavy twice a week, right?
on a decent cycle of gear you can train heavy a lot
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how you train legs twice a week?
you go to the the gym,and train legs.twice a week.
thats how.
as for promotion by gimmicks, thats mean i pm with my own gimmicks, now thats bothersome :P
who cares about poerlifting.
he looks like a turd.
that is the point.
power lifters care about power lifting
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how you train legs twice a week?
you go to the the gym,and train legs.twice a week.
thats how.
well no shit dude, but are you trying to tell me that you can train legs twice a week, hard and very heavy, and keep adding weight to the bar ???
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well no shit dude, but are you trying to tell me that you can train legs twice a week, hard and very heavy, and keep adding weight to the bar ???
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CAN BE DONE WK IN WK OUT.SOME WKS YOUR STRONG AS HELL AND EVERTHING IS IN LINE TO DO IT,THERE ARE TIMES YOU COULD BE SLEEPING/EATING LIKE SHIT AND PERFORM BETTER THAN HAVING EVERYTHING TO A TTTT...
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I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CAN BE DONE WK IN WK OUT.SOME WKS YOUR STRONG AS HELL AND EVERTHING IS IN LINE TO DO IT,THERE ARE TIMES YOU COULD BE SLEEPING/EATING LIKE SHIT AND PERFORM BETTER THAN HAVING EVERYTHING TO A TTTT...
Depends on the drug factor.
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Depends on the drug factor.
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dj181s quads
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dj181s quads
They'll pay him $20.00 to never mention the book.
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makes sense.
but this lyle guy, he claims to be some authority on powerlifting and whats he deadlifting there?the equivalent of getting yourself out of bed in the morning,effort-wise.
i think i could deadlift that with 2 fingers,i think its should be possibel.
and he claim diet guru, but dont look like he should be giving diet advice.
THAT is some scammer if i ever seen one. :D
i would much rather look like you than him
but i know some power lifters and all they care about is how strong they are
some of them look like shit but are strong as fuck
the lucky ones like marius with elite genetics look awesome
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dpeends also, you just do one heavy and one light leg workout and thats it.
bit less sets will make it possible.
one time skip hams,other time skip calves,
fuck, people need to be bit creative.
its incredible that people folow leg routines from some mags.
dj181 are you trying to say your leg trainings are so brutal that you cant do 2 of them weekly?
because your legs dont look like that?
i have bigger legs than you and bouncers put together, and i dont even try, i do squats with 130lbs.
wth are you guys doing? ???
you theroize too much.i think ill go train legs later,thatd be the 3rd time this week.
whatever you doing, you doing it wrong, you both have sticks-tothpick for legs.
heres my leg training, 10 sets of very light squats, 10 sets of random medium weight on legpress machine, 10 sets of curls for quads whatever is called.
then i go home.
it cant even be drugs,they look pretty much same on and off.
maybe youre training your lower backs, the muscle mind connection still in its baby shoes, so to say.
nobody cares if you think your leg workout is "hard" haha, if your legs look like from chiken.
comeon, if soccer players and hobby bycyclist have better legs, you have to restart from scratch.
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legs respond to higher rep/heavy but controlled weight/squeeze /flex between sets ,flexing brings in separation.heavy days squats 6/8 reps are good around the lighter pump workouts.
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and he claim diet guru, but dont look like he should be giving diet advice.
THAT is some scammer if i ever seen one. :D
I gotta say that I think Lyle is fucking God in this fucked up fitness industry. I absolutely LOVE his style. No bullshit from the guy, and like bb said, if he doesn't know something he will admit it.
You should see his roasting of Layne Norton recently on Facebook for example. Layne said Lyle scared his wife because he was so harsh. :D
Sure, he doesn't look like anything but he still brings something extremely valuable to the table. Would take too long to explain why, but like I said, I love the guy's style... very very different from the rest of the gurus. :D
As far as scammers go, there's Poliquin for example. Jacked up guy but still just a scammer.
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ah cool,if he dislikes norton, he has my sympathy ;D
norton is responsibel for so much crap,its not even funy.
btw this lyle diet and "ours" isnt so much the same, i find its totaly different ???
Layne was talking about "metabolic damage" from low calorie diets.
Lyle asked him to back up this bs theory which isn't supported by science. Lyle used some harsh words. :D
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ah cool,if he dislikes norton, he has my sympathy ;D
norton is responsibel for so much crap,its not even funy.
btw this lyle diet and "ours" isnt so much the same, i find its totaly different ???
Its not the same. The guy got a little attention after doing an online blog with the bodyopus diet by Dan Duchaine. He's since written a few books himself, one with an extremely complicated/rigid diet called ultimate diet. He's a huge geek so a lot of his ideas are based on research studies and he talks about a few things into great detail such as a need for refeeds and setting calories at maintenance for a couple weeks after dieting to reset hormones.
Pretty much his diets are low cal, low carb with carb ups that's the only similarity.
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Its not the same. The guy got a little attention after doing an online blog with the bodyopus diet by Dan Duchaine. He's since written a few books himself, one with an extremely complicated/rigid diet called ultimate diet. He's a huge geek so a lot of his ideas are based on research studies and he talks about a few things into great detail such as a need for refeeds and setting calories at maintenance for a couple weeks after dieting to reset hormones.
Pretty much his diets are low cal, low carb with carb ups that's the only similarity.
So did Lyle create the ultimate diet for the all natural?
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So did Lyle create the ultimate diet for the all natural?
Fuck - I look better than the dude in that pic x 10 right now not even trying for a show or anything. Fuck that dude. Stronger chics in the male locker room than that.
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So did Lyle create the ultimate diet for the all natural?
Honestly I can't remember.
Hate is a strong word but I really hate that guy.
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do you have any idea what his weight was there?
if he was competing in the 14's, 23's or even the 32's then that's not a bad pull
but word has it that's he's a huge fucking douchebag
and what's was his bench at this meet, any idea?
He was in the 67.5 class or around there, so it was like a double bodyweight pull, so it wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great. I don't hold it against folks when they don't put up good numbers, as long as they don't claim to be something they're not. His bench was in the low - mid 200's I believe, squat was similar to deadlift.
Lyle isn't so much a douche bag, just doesn't stop till there is clear winner if he thinks he's right, he doesn't care about not burning bridges.
If instance, he had that blow up with Rippetoe over those pictures were they tried to claim that the kid was low double digit body fat, when he was certainly not.
With Norton, Layne claimed something with no real scientific backing as fact, instead of theory. Lyle basically said show me proof, Layne came back weak, then pulled the "I am bigger then you card", then when he was still losing, he had them block and delete most of the back and forth. I think you can still pull a bit up on google though.
http://bullshitonblast.blogspot.com/2013/04/battle-of-gurus-lyle-mcdonald-vs-layne.html .
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Its not the same. The guy got a little attention after doing an online blog with the bodyopus diet by Dan Duchaine. He's since written a few books himself, one with an extremely complicated/rigid diet called ultimate diet. He's a huge geek so a lot of his ideas are based on research studies and he talks about a few things into great detail such as a need for refeeds and setting calories at maintenance for a couple weeks after dieting to reset hormones.
Pretty much his diets are low cal, low carb with carb ups that's the only similarity.
Oh btw he recommends very low fat during "refeeds" which sucks. After trying both low and higher fats during cheats I find a little more best....like galeniko recommends.
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dj181s quads
I never saw that before.....hahahahaa.
They look like a skinnyfat teenage girls legs :D
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I never saw that before.....hahahahaa.
They look like a skinnyfat teenage girls legs :D
but he is super ripped and gets all the girls ???
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yo,who cares about strenght when one looks like shit.
and saying hes relative storng for his weight is like honda driver telling corvete driver his honda got more horsepower per cubic inch.
ive literaly seen guys who stepped the very first time into the gym and deadlifted that weight, not once, but for 20 reps.
im not kidding.wasnt even a strong or bulky guy, just a random skinnyfatso.
please refrain from bringing up this strenght topic, nobody cares, its not important.
post that in powerlift section, if one thinks strenght is important for bodybuilding hes kinda wrong.
makes me wonder how hard and heavy his workouts are ::)
It was asked about, so I will post about it ;).
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hahahahaha @ that old ass leg pic
fyi, that pic is over 2 years old
fyi2, my legs like much better now thanks to the leg press and full barbell squats ;)
in that pic i was doing my shitty in home training, but now that i've joined a gym the difference in my results is like night and day 8)
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hahahahaha @ that old ass leg pic
fyi, that pic is over 2 years old
fyi2, my legs like much better now thanks to the leg press and full barbell squats ;)
in that pic i was doing my shitty in home training, but now that i've joined a gym the difference in my results is like night and day 8)
And yet you are still puny
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hahahahaha @ that old ass leg pic
fyi, that pic is over 2 years old
fyi2, my legs like much better now thanks to the leg press and full barbell squats ;)
in that pic i was doing my shitty in home training, but now that i've joined a gym the difference in my results is like night and day 8)
you trying to say you can no longer get jeans to fit so you must wear bodybuilding pants( ie mc hammer)
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you trying to say you can no longer get jeans to fit so you must wear bodybuilding pants( ie mc hammer)
;D ;D ;D
but at least i got my prized pecs and lats back 8)
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;D ;D ;D
but at least i got my prized pecs and lats back 8)
Prized by who ?
For someone who can't crack 170 you sure talk a lot of shit about your physique.
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I've trained legs 4 times a week arleady. Some poeple train legs every day. No problem whatsoever.
Of course you're gonna feel like shit and maybe that's not good way to go if you wanna have "beach physique" but if you wanna be crazy strong... You do what you gotta do ;)
http://www.averagebroz.com/ABG/Q_%26_A/Entries/2010/5/28_Central_nervous_system.html
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haha what do you think of broz, deceiver?
do you think pat will ever make a real comeback ;D
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haha what do you think of broz, deceiver?
do you think pat will ever make a real comeback ;D
This guy makes a lot of sense. That's the way chinese and bulgarians train. All the drugs BS apart, results speak for themselves.
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This guy makes a lot of sense. That's the way chinese and bulgarians train. All the drugs BS apart, results speak for themselves.
i agree, they do. that said, i think all of his explanations are pretty much bullshit. the training is quite simple, actually... and i think it goes a long ways to expose how "scientific" these sports really are.
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Some of no one's meltdowns in this thread are the icing on the cake for me, in respect to the legitimacy of this 'book'.
This is a clear scam if ever I saw one, so don't be surprised if these two posters leave the forum as soon as a couple of grand is received.
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Its not the same. The guy got a little attention after doing an online blog with the bodyopus diet by Dan Duchaine. He's since written a few books himself, one with an extremely complicated/rigid diet called ultimate diet. He's a huge geek so a lot of his ideas are based on research studies and he talks about a few things into great detail such as a need for refeeds and setting calories at maintenance for a couple weeks after dieting to reset hormones.
Pretty much his diets are low cal, low carb with carb ups that's the only similarity.
He has a lot of good material on his site but in real life people have gotten results by doing things completely differently than he recommends. This dissonance he usually dismisses via the drug or genetics argument (which definately are two huge factors). Specially in regards to training things are not nearly as cut-and-dried as he thinks.
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legs respond to higher rep/heavy but controlled weight/squeeze /flex between sets ,flexing brings in separation.heavy days squats 6/8 reps are good around the lighter pump workouts.
Legs respond to actually training them....which many people actually don't do. They either don't train legs at all or do so completely wrong (and this goes for many experienced lifters too).
It all starts at the knee. Good morning squats and leg presses with feet high on the foot plate will build shit legs for most people. You need to start the movement by bending the knees. 400-500lbs good morning squats don't guarantee anything other than possibly a big ass and lower back pain.
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this is a very smart post.
theresmany ppl with "impressive" weights used, but if you look at what counts, the knee movement youve mentioned, it becomes a total joke.
just doinng 30 sets of quad curls would be better than those goodmorning squats.
theres many ppl who ,if they go all the way down,ass to ground, cant get up whit 1 bar each side without moving their backs or knee trembling.
similiar thing with incline bench press, etc etc.
only machine shoulder press is fool proof exercise more or less,end even there you see ppl doing things wrong.
its sad when you see pll going to gym for years and they havent figured out the difference of activating the muscle vs swinging stuff around with al load going on the joints.
and they think they train"hrad" bc they lift "impressive" weight.
Knee safety is the biggest issue.... I see younger guys lift heavy with no wraps, did the same back in the day, now paying for it.
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Knee safety is the biggest issue.... I see younger guys lift heavy with no wraps, did the same back in the day, now paying for it.
Knee wraps are shit and of no use for a bodybuilder. If you have to use knee wraps you are lifting too heavy. And if wrapped tightly they will fuck your knees and tendons instead. Knee warmers are ok tho.
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And in regards to dieting, I also prefer aggressive dieting these days. I don't have the patience to diet for long periods of time. I would rather get it done in a few weeks time. Never more than 6 weeks. If you need much more time than that you are too fat to be a bodybuilder.
But I also refuse to do the boring dry chicken and rice type of diets. What I have learnt through the years is the importance of eating food that you actually like. So even on low calories I make sure that the food actually tastes good.
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And in regards to dieting, I also prefer aggressive dieting these days. I don't have the patience to diet for long periods of time. I would rather get it done in a few weeks time. Never more than 6 weeks. If you need much more time than that you are too fat to be a bodybuilder.
But I also refuse to do the boring dry chicken and rice type of diets. What I have learnt through the years is the importance of eating food that you actually like. So even on low calories I make sure that the food actually tastes good.
have you posted a pic
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yeah 6 weeks is even on normal diet something like 12lbs of pure fat, with that ill come say 8 lbs water.no need to be 20lbs over good shape.
as for the diets, i find the rice to be cause of so many of the problems.
everybody wants get through diet asap, everyone hates it,including me, although i feel quite good on it.
yes- rice. bodybuilding diet staple in theory worse thing in the world for you in practice.
so much broscience getting killed here.
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yes- rice. bodybuilding diet staple in theory worse thing in the world for you in practice.
so much broscience getting killed here.
ironic.
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ironic.
Lol
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Lol exactly, there is not one shred of scientific data to back anything at all in this thread, not one line of data or link to a source.
Its basically "It works for us so thats that"
Broscience defined.
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Lol exactly, there is not one shred of scientific data to back anything at all in this thread, not one line of data or link to a source.
Its basically "It works for us so thats that"
Broscience defined.
That's why I lol'ed
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I have really no idea why the book has to even exist at all.
An A4 piece of paper with a diet written out would have done.
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I'll spend the $20 just because....for Gawds sake it's $20....if it helps them and gets them a published work so much the better. The pure reading enjoyment of this thread is worth it.
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Galeniko is starting to get that creepy Gh15 vibe.
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Lol exactly, there is not one shred of scientific data to back anything at all in this thread, not one line of data or link to a source.
Its basically "It works for us so thats that"
100% agreed.
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I have really no idea why the book has to even exist at all.
An A4 piece of paper with a diet written out would have done.
gal would have been better writing a story about his life that shit would be awesome
no one seems to be on some sort of moral crusade
maybe he has found god in the shape of dollar bills ???
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Big lou getting behind no one and gal
could be a best seller 8)
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LOL
bigmc Always seems to be brawling with someone.....he can't help it ;D
Who cares if they want to write a book. I'll be surprised if more than 20 of them ever see the light of day (if any) , and don't buy it if you don't liike it. Nobody is twisting anyones arm.
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LOL
bigmc Always seems to be brawling with someone.....he can't help it ;D
Who cares if they want to write a book. I'll be surprised if more than 20 of them ever see the light of day (if any) , and don't buy it if you don't liike it. Nobody is twisting anyones arm.
i come here to troll and be a dick
its no secret
i wouldnt genuinely wish bad on anyone here :)
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i come here to troll and be a dick
its no secret
i wouldnt genuinely wish bad on anyone here :)
and post pics of your audi a6 interioor ;D
Which year is it btw? Audi is easily the new BMW now, I am really impressed how they turned their image around in the last 3-4 years.
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thats becasue.....we are the source ;D
yah ,works for us, and works for the couple people here irl who i know.
i dont see how it couldnt work,unless one mentally gives up
Therein lies the rub ;)
You can buy a book but you cant buy willpower, determination and drive.
Its that that gets you in shape.
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Therein lies the rub ;)
You can buy a book but you cant buy willpower, determination and drive.
Its that that gets you in shape.
yep yep
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i come here to troll and be a dick
its no secret
i wouldnt genuinely wish bad on anyone here :)
Noted for future reference.
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and post pics of your audi a6 interioor ;D
Which year is it btw? Audi is easily the new BMW now, I am really impressed how they turned their image around in the last 3-4 years.
its an a5 2013 bought it in march
ride is a bit firm though
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i come here to troll and be a dick
Astounding success at the latter rather than the former.
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Astounding success at the latter rather than the former.
;D
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teaser from chapter 3 'the Flaws of other Diets'
'The True Adonis Principles
this is a real conundrum for me to address. cause as much as he right (a calorie is a calorie), he's wrong ( a calorie is not just a calorie). confused? read on.
yes, in a calorie deficit regardless of what calories you take in you have to lose weight. it's simple physics. so in that regard he's correct.
where the ideology is flawed however is that the body, we have discovered, does not treat all calories the same. fats and carbs yes. but not protein.
the body for some strange amazing reason, and thank god for it, actually does not recognise protein as a unit measurement of fuel, but as a nutrient to be used strictly for the repair and growth of tissue. this goes a long way to explain how you can maintain and in my case create new tissue in such a massive deficit- and no its not the anabolics as i have previously mentioned i am on 1/4 mg wise of what it took me to create my physique. and also goes an equal distance to explain how difficult it is to overtrain on this system. the body is a remarkably amazingly efficient machine in a severe deficit.
and this is where the TA principles fall short as much they are accurate.
so you see, once I discovered that the body actually SPARES protein in a deficit, and partitions it differently (doesnt use it for fuel) than carbs and fats, I had no choice but to realise that a calorie simply is not just a calorie.
truthfully I shudder to think what would happen to a body that trained hard, had metabolic stress, and just ate carbs and fats as per 'any cal will do in a deficit you have to lose weight (TA principles)' theory. '
cheers. :)
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thanks very much for writing the book I personally cant wait and wish I could send you the money now actually
need to start on a 6wk cut but sucks waiting.. have an event I need to diet down for in 6 wks :-(
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thanks very much for writing the book I personally cant wait and wish I could send you the money now actually
need to start on a 6wk cut but sucks waiting.. have an event I need to diet down for in 6 wks :-(
awesome thanks for the kind words man- were getting there!
cheers :)
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This brutal eastern yuropean starve diet works, if you have the willpower for it.
Closing in on 20lbs lost ( water weight included ofcourse ;D)
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Knee safety is the biggest issue.... I see younger guys lift heavy with no wraps, did the same back in the day, now paying for it.
One of my buddies replaced knee, now as Titanium man no more squats for him.
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ppl dieting on "necesary" rice "to feel strong in workouts", barely swallowing thier scheduled meals down, but seemingly never getting any leaner.
amazing dedication,but about as pointless as running facefirst into concrete wall,repeatedly ;D
its so stupid, haha,then some experts will tell you how brown rice is better than white rice,haha, could be eating bread instead,all the same.
not saying bread is good, but its no worse than rice.
Why not mixing varieties of rice:white,red,wild black,protein smart rice ,etc,.
Protein ratio in some of them could be from 5-15g per 100g, or consuming
protein enriched pasta or protein enriched braed ?.
All depends on individual taste or needs.
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its like stalin, building up the persona cult
:D
its up to people to decide if we sincere in motives or not.
why not wait before its released and then judge 8)
are you going to ever come to America and lift with cswol. Its going to be amazing to see you two together, same height but massively disproportionate "build types"
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Ridiculous
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ROTF.....and abs were nowhere to be seen that day.
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How do i get a copy of this book!?
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teaser from chapter 3 'the Flaws of other Diets'
'The True Adonis Principles
this is a real conundrum for me to address. cause as much as he right (a calorie is a calorie), he's wrong ( a calorie is not just a calorie). confused? read on.
yes, in a calorie deficit regardless of what calories you take in you have to lose weight. it's simple physics. so in that regard he's correct.
where the ideology is flawed however is that the body, we have discovered, does not treat all calories the same. fats and carbs yes. but not protein.
the body for some strange amazing reason, and thank god for it, actually does not recognise protein as a unit measurement of fuel, but as a nutrient to be used strictly for the repair and growth of tissue. this goes a long way to explain how you can maintain and in my case create new tissue in such a massive deficit- and no its not the anabolics as i have previously mentioned i am on 1/4 mg wise of what it took me to create my physique. and also goes an equal distance to explain how difficult it is to overtrain on this system. the body is a remarkably amazingly efficient machine in a severe deficit.
and this is where the TA principles fall short as much they are accurate.
so you see, once I discovered that the body actually SPARES protein in a deficit, and partitions it differently (doesnt use it for fuel) than carbs and fats, I had no choice but to realise that a calorie simply is not just a calorie.
truthfully I shudder to think what would happen to a body that trained hard, had metabolic stress, and just ate carbs and fats as per 'any cal will do in a deficit you have to lose weight (TA principles)' theory. '
cheers. :)
Can you please add in that I have always said a Calorie is a Calorie, but a Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient.
I think that statement will render that chapter obsolete as it is incorrect. You guys have misquoted or were just careless in realizing what I have always said.
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I have always said get your requirements of Macro and Micro Nutrients daily and get them from any foods you like.
That chapter is a gross misunderstanding.
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Can you please add in that I have always said a Calorie is a Calorie, but a Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient.
I think that statement will render that chapter obsolete as it is incorrect. You guys have misquoted or were just careless in realizing what I have always said.
no it's pretty accurate, given the processes the body under goes in an extreme deficit that your principles did not account for.
your principles cannot account for these processes as your recommended caloric intake of 1800-2000cal is way to high to manifest the results of those processes of which I speak rendering it impossible acheive what I'm referring to.
so if anything my overview is entirely factual, and concrete.
I'm not saying your principles don't have merit- which they do, but you can't defend them in the context of severe caloric deficit as i am writing about as one never achieves that on your diet. therefor your position in regards to what I have written is indefensible.
cheers. :)
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no it's pretty accurate, given the processes the body under goes in an extreme deficit that your principles did not account for.
your principles cannot account for these processes as your recommended caloric intake of 1800-2000cal is way to high to manifest the results of those processes of which I speak.
so if anything my overview is entirely factual, and concrete.
I'm not saying your principles don't have merit- which they do, but you can't defend them in the context of severe caloric deficit as i am writing about as one never achieves that on your diet. therefor your position in regards to what I have written is indefensible.
cheers. :)
???
Here they are again:
Meet your caloric needs any way you see fit. Make sure you meet your Macro and Micro Nutrients. (you will most likely meet these by default)
Eat as many calories as you possibly can, but still maintain a deficit. (this number will vary)
That should help clear things up.
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So if someone lived on 2000 calries of Cheetos that's cool?
???
Here they are again:
Meet your caloric needs any way you see fit. Make sure you meet your Macro and Micro Nutrients. (you will most likely meet these by default)
Eat as many calories as you possibly can, but still maintain a deficit. (this number will vary)
That should help clear things up.
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So if someone lived on 2000 calries of Cheetos that's cool?
How would you meet your Macro and Micro requirements doing that? Did you not read what I wrote? ???
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So if someone lived on 2000 calries of Cheetos that's cool?
before this gets sidetracked, as Im sure it will, TA's diet is incomplete given what I have written regarding the processes the body undergoes in a severe deficit as you never reach said deficit with his strategy. and that ties into the second problem with TA principles we found, the cals are too high rendering it grossly inefficient.
I'm NOT saying it doesn't have merit. for some it will. but our system involves a far more efficient method of fat loss.
like we say- all roads lead to Rome in a deficit. our road gets you to Rome faster.
cheers. :)
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So here is where I am at - F the haters - kill yourselves. This is no drugs, nothing at all. Protein powder, Rushfit, Bas rutten mma cd's, HIIT, and low carb
Want to get the next 5 weeks ridiculous from here to make one year anniversary.
First pic August 13th 2012 - second pic this am
First pic 238-240lbs
Second - 195-198
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So here is where I am at - F the haters - kill yourselves. This is no drugs, nothing at all. Protein powder, Rushfit, Bas rutten mma cd's, HIIT, and low carb
Want to get the next 5 weeks ridiculous from here to make one year anniversary.
First pic August 13th 2012 - second pic this am
First pic 238-240lbs
Second - 195-198
GOOD PROGRESS,,I ALWAYS BUST HOW SMALL YOUR PICS ARE,I NEED A TELESCOPE TO VIEW THEM IN FULLER VIEW LOL...
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GOOD PROGRESS,,I ALWAYS BUST HOW SMALL YOUR PICS ARE,I NEED A TELESCOPE TO VIEW THEM IN FULLER VIEW LOL...
Mental commitment is the hardest part by far
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Mental commitment is the hardest part by far
:)..
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I have always said a Calorie is a Calorie, but a Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient.
Not true , the macro thing came out after the Adonis principles (Calorie is a Calorie ) were debunked .
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the body for some strange amazing reason, and thank god for it, actually does not recognise protein as a unit measurement of fuel, but as a nutrient to be used strictly for the repair and growth of tissue.
"Oh really?"
"Do you have any evidence for that?"
"Why yes of course, its because we say so."
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the thing that i find shocking is that they claim that one can lay down lean muscle tissue only while being ripped and staying ripped ie. add ZERO BODYFAT and ONLY ADD LEAN MUSCLE while being RIPPED
i wish to fuck that was true, but it ain't
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the thing that i find shocking is that they claim that one can lay down lean muscle tissue only while being ripped and staying ripped ie. add ZERO BODYFAT and ONLY ADD LEAN MUSCLE while being RIPPED
i wish to fuck that was true, but it ain't
Why do you believe that to be true?
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We need Vince G to chipe in w his nutritional strategy seeing that he is a Master fitness Trainer and all.
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Why do you believe that to be true?
believe what to be true?
that one can add only lean muscle tissue and zero bodyfat while being ripped?
i don't believe it dude
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Why dont you believe it, what evidence do you base your belief on?
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"Oh really?"
"Do you have any evidence for that?"
"Why yes of course, its because we say so."
yes, actually, i do. im leaner and bigger than i have ever been in a severe calorie deficit. if protein was being used for fuel, instead of the repair and possibly creation of new tissue these results would not manifest themselves.
as i have said many time before, we are not science guys, we are do it guys. and that is what we have found.
we are finding that 'science' does not necessarily parallel or properly explain real world application and results in the scope of this system.
so, yes, you are correct- it is happening, but not because we say it is, but because it is.
cheers. :)
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Will you say that to people when they buy the book and things dont pan out for them they way you say it will?
"It's not working for me"
"Well, it works for me so fuck you."
I can give you scientific evidence why the addition of carbs in a diet allows the protein you eat to be used for growth and repair and without those carbs the proteins are used for fuel in addition to growth and repair.
All you seem to have is , "it works so thats that".
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I hope she used some anti-bacterial rub after that.
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So here is where I am at - F the haters - kill yourselves. This is no drugs, nothing at all. Protein powder, Rushfit, Bas rutten mma cd's, HIIT, and low carb
Want to get the next 5 weeks ridiculous from here to make one year anniversary.
First pic August 13th 2012 - second pic this am
First pic 238-240lbs
Second - 195-198
like i said in pm bro. amazing transformation.
you hit the nail on the head- the mental aspect is the hard part. you are solely responsible for the changes you have manifested. YOU- not our system. your mindset.
all our system did was give you the tool you use to efficiently apply your mindset to and experience this result.
great work man.
in 5 weeks you will be the leanest you have ever been.
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Why dont you believe it, what evidence do you base your belief on?
good question
i guess coz it seems that one would need to be in a calorie surplus to add lean muscle tissue if they are already ripped, coz where the fuck is the extra energy gonna come from to add this muscle tissue if there's no fat stores to draw the energy from?
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So here is where I am at - F the haters - kill yourselves. This is no drugs, nothing at all. Protein powder, Rushfit, Bas rutten mma cd's, HIIT, and low carb
Want to get the next 5 weeks ridiculous from here to make one year anniversary.
First pic August 13th 2012 - second pic this am
First pic 238-240lbs
Second - 195-198
FFS post a full size picture.
Do you have a computer?
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FFS post a full size picture.
Do you have a computer?
Its Friday and you are in a pissy mood why? Geez . . . . .
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Will you say that to people when they buy the book and things dont pan out for them they way you say it will?
"It's not working for me"
"Well, it works for me so fuck you."
I can give you scientific evidence why the addition of carbs in a diet allows the protein you eat to be used for growth and repair and without those carbs the proteins are used for fuel in addition to growth and repair.
All you seem to have is , "it works so thats that".
i wrote this in another thread explaining the nutrient partitioning i am talking about. it is also in the book.
for me, science cannot adequately explain the changes i am seeing. so, in an attempt to explain them i use logic and summation. i am results oriented first, explanation second. frankly to be honest to you sir, i do not care why something wokrs as long as it does. so for me the 'why' is very far removed from the 'is'.
i try to explain things out of more a curiosity for the 'why's, rather than an obligation to them.
what about the idea that the more nutrients you give your body the less efficient it becomes at using them and the less nutrients you give your body the more efficient it becomes at using them?
the body does this. lets look at a typical water load 6 days out precontest. the idea is to flood your body with water in order to get it to expel it. you create an environment where the body pisses away water expecting more to make room for the water you have trained it to expect. on the lady day you cut out the water competely, your body keeps releasing expecting more and voila, you end up bone dry.
now you starve your body of water for 24 hours. it hates this cause the body loves statis. so what does it do when you reintroduce water? it hoards it.
now apply that scenario to caloric intake. the body does it with water. why wouldn't it do it with calories? you flood your body with cals / nutrients and what does it do- it wastes them. protein included. why? cause you have trained it to know there is just more protein coming tomorrow. just like when water loading
now. take those cals away. go into a huge deficit like you do when you stop your water. the body panics. it hates that. so what do you think will happen when you reintroduce protein? it will hoard it. use it for the purpose of repairing and creating lean tissue. why? cause it's afraid your going to take it away again and the body loves stasis.
instead of creating an inefficient system with excess cals create a more efficient one with less.
provable. no. does it work. yes.
i'll take real world application and results over 'science' any day.
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good question
i guess coz it seems that one would need to be in a calorie surplus to add lean muscle tissue if they are already ripped, coz where the fuck is the extra energy gonna come from to add this muscle tissue if there's no fat stores to draw the energy from?
So a calorie surplus to gain muscle and not gain fat is impossible is it?
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i wrote this in another thread explaining the nutrient partitioning i am talking about. it is also in the book.
for me, science cannot adequately explain the changes i am seeing. so, in an attempt to explain them i use logic and summation. i am results oriented first, explanation second. frankly to be honest to you sir, i do not care why something wokrs as long as it does. so for me the 'why' is very far removed from the 'is'.
i try to explain things out of more a curiosity for the 'why's, rather than an obligation to them.
provable. no. does it work. yes.
i'll take real world application and results over 'science' any day.
Unfortunately when you are selling something as fact you need sources to back things up.
You may find yourself in hot water producing a book for sale thats based on "its because I say so"
Oh and commenting and condemning on other peoples theories (TA) to try and add weight to your theory is potentially libellous.
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So a calorie surplus to gain muscle and not gain fat is impossible is it?
it is if you are RIPPED
p.s. RIPPED=sub-5
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it is if you are RIPPED
p.s. RIPPED=sub-5
No it isnt.
Just because you cant do it doesn't make it so.
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it is if you are RIPPED
p.s. RIPPED=sub-5
You were never sub 5 you moron, just because you say it 400 times on a forum doesn't make it so. Sub 5 is Munzer territory....shredded... you weren't even close.
Anything 8 or below is considered ripped to an average person, we aren't competitive bodybuilders here
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No word of a lie, if a GIF that miserable of me appeared on the internet I would sit down and seriously contemplate committing suicide that evening.
On topic, does anyone else have trouble committing to eating clean after having bad habits for a long time? I'm not taking tren, ephedrine or anything that kept the water off like before so small hiccups really show. Any tips to stave hunger would be great.
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No word of a lie, if a GIF that miserable of me appeared on the internet I would sit down and seriously contemplate committing suicide that evening.
On topic, does anyone else have trouble committing to eating clean after having bad habits for a long time? I'm not taking tren, ephedrine or anything that kept the water off like before so small hiccups really show. Any tips to stave hunger would be great.
Its like she is expecting Alien to pop out of there!
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No word of a lie, if a GIF that miserable of me appeared on the internet I would sit down and seriously contemplate committing suicide that evening.
On topic, does anyone else have trouble committing to eating clean after having bad habits for a long time? I'm not taking tren, ephedrine or anything that kept the water off like before so small hiccups really show. Any tips to stave hunger would be great.
Just cut your food portions by a third if you want to lose weight, eat what you like but smaller portions, if you get hungry just have a small chicken sandwich with salad to shake off the hunger pangs.
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No it isnt.
Just because you cant do it doesn't make it so.
it's not just because i can't do it, it's because experts told me this as well
so how many cals above maintaince is needed to add lean muscle tissue without adding fat in your opinion?
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it's not just because i can't do it, it's because experts told me this as well
so how many cals above maintaince is needed to add lean muscle tissue without adding fat in your opinion?
It's a lot easier to add muscle and stay lean while on drugs due to (insert a fuck load of typing) compared to naturals.
Naturals have to be in a surplus so their hormonal environment is favourable to muscle building.
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yeah but we can tell you that the carbs bring fatloss to a halt, i think you need no scientific backing for that
nope. you can eat carbs and continue losing fat, concentration camp victims in Japan were only given rice and they managed to maintain a consistent loss of bodyfat.
nobdoy ever claimed such a thing now fuck off.
dj181 did ;)
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Unfortunately when you are selling something as fact you need sources to back things up.
You may find yourself in hot water producing a book for sale thats based on "its because I say so"
Oh and commenting and condemning on other peoples theories (TA) to try and add weight to your theory is potentially libellous.
thats just it. i dont need to back anything up with 'science'. see all the people in this thread saying 'this works'? that is what 'backs this up'. not 'science'. i give a damn for 'science'.
all the pm's i get saying 'thanks for putting this together ive lost x amount of pounds so far' thats what back this up. not 'science'.
we are sharing with you our experiences. experiences based on application. gal walks around at sub5 YEAR ROUND. he does this using the system we have created. you can choose to accept those principles therein, or not.
if you want science bro, feel free to pick up any txt by lyle mcdonald. then feel free to look like him when you are done.
oh, and its libellous to add commentary on an uncopywritted material on an open message board now? your trolling is becoming progressively weaker bro. you can do better than this i would hope.
if not take some time off, regroup and try again later im enjoying debating you, but that last point was a fail :D
cheers sir :)
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Not true , the macro thing came out after the Adonis principles (Calorie is a Calorie ) were debunked .
Bullshit, do a search. I said it from day one. You people have very poor reading comprehension which is why I don`t really bother any more with any of it.
Besides, you are just still bitter because I had your wife eating 4600 calories a day for weight loss and you were eating around 4300.
I did this on purpose and you followed right on through with it. hahaha
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Look above and post your own pic from this am cholo. No roids nothing.
Why would any natural buy this book?
Quote from: galeniko on March 07, 2013, 07:45:49 PM
the best alternative to steroids is to stay away from the gym and enjoy a different hobby.
a tennis player will have a better physique than 99.99% of naturals who try to gain muscle.or lose fat.
i hope this clears up some confusion
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your trolling is becoming progressively weaker bro. you can do better than this i would hope.
I did do better , but you ignore the ones that challenge you.
Carry on.
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Its like she is expecting Alien to pop out of there!
(http://interstait.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/kuato.jpg)
;D
yes the hardest thing is to get back to eating clean after the "big" meals.
this is mentaly very demanding.unfortunately, the whole concept goes down the toilet if one cant pull this off.
I know, man. Any tips? My stomach feels stretched and I'm sure there's pounds of shit in my intestines. I'm almost thinking of getting a colon cleanse too after considering the shit that builds up after 27 years, 3-4 of those years being solid "bodybuilder" years pounding steak, beef and chicken 3-4 times a day minimum. Gross.
I'll keep trying to fill up on garden veggies and homemade kimchi. Been slicing cukes and splashing some sesame oil, sesame seeds, dried pepper flakes, shredded carrot and vinegar to make a super low cal snack. I'm getting sick of my current healthy munchies and need something to fill up on during moments of weakness. I feel like a defeated fatass lol
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On topic, does anyone else have trouble committing to eating clean after having bad habits for a long time? I'm not taking tren, ephedrine or anything that kept the water off like before so small hiccups really show. Any tips to stave hunger would be great.
hey dude we have a chapter in the book dedicated to these very things. we address the hunger issues in our 'Tips and Tricks' chapter.
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hey dude we have a chapter in the book dedicated to these very things. we address the hunger issues in our 'Tips and Tricks' chapter.
He's fine I helped him out in the thread for free. ;)
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He's fine I helped him out in the thread for free. ;)
nice to see your capable of contributing something of value. thank you.
:)
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nice to see your capable of contributing something of value. thank you.
:)
Hey, Im full of good ideas and advice, I might even write a book one day.
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Hey, Im full of good ideas and advice, I might even write a book one day.
based on your contributions here i wouldnt recommend you waste your time. :D
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based on your contributions here i wouldnt recommend you waste your time. :D
Agreed, it would be boring, but then again reality doesn't sell, broscience on the other hand. ;)
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Look above and post your own pic from this am cholo. No roids nothing.
You keep saying that like someone is going to think you are on roids.
You're a stocky Wop....your torso is like a cylinder. Waist is just as thick as your chest. Bricklayers build we call that. No advanced features.
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Agreed, it would be boring, but then again reality doesn't sell, broscience on the other hand. ;)
then you might just be in luck.
your trolling going to improve at any point here? :D
lol
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yes- rice. bodybuilding diet staple in theory worse thing in the world for you in practice.
so much broscience getting killed here.
I notice you ignored this earlier.
This entire thread is pure broscience :D :D :D
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I notice you ignored this earlier.
This entire thread is pure broscience :D :D :D
you already played this card a few pages back bro.
i think i destroyed that 'argument' quite nicely too if i do recall.
i like you. you make me look good. im going to send you an autographed copy of the book dude just as a token of my appreciation for all the positive attention you generate. :D
you should be happy. in a round about way your contributing to helping people want to get into the best shape of their lives.
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you already played this card a few pages back bro.
i think i destroyed that 'argument' quite nicely too if i do recall.
Yes you totally destroyed it by admitting that your theory was broscience, which was exactly what you claimed you were destroying in the thread.
Lol
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and ...hes gone ;D
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No word of a lie, if a GIF that miserable of me appeared on the internet I would sit down and seriously contemplate committing suicide that evening.
On topic, does anyone else have trouble committing to eating clean after having bad habits for a long time? I'm not taking tren, ephedrine or anything that kept the water off like before so small hiccups really show. Any tips to stave hunger would be great.
coffee, chewing gum,cigarettes.
Mroe sleep helps a lot too.
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Yes you totally destroyed it by admitting that your theory was broscience, which was exactly what you claimed you were destroying in the thread.
Lol
eat 1.0 gram of protein per lb was broscience for decades until it was proven in the last decade by several studies.
How are you going to test galeniko Soviet Diet?
lets see
get a bunch of volunteers, probably semifatso americanos or pansy ass brits. tell em to eat only 1000 caloris a day, nothing but vegies, chikin and 1-2 eggs. Do you know how many are going to cheat there right away and lie about it...probably cheeet everyday, not many people have the willpower to go to the gym starving and have a good 1 hour workout while feeling like shit b/c of low energy.
The next bigger part,.. getting thse study guinea pigs to use mild dosages of AAS on cut. How do you think that will fly with anyone who is sponsoring the study... oh brother, ur so naive. No study = doesn't work automatically in your pt view?
Is broscience that tursn out to work still just bullshit broscience?
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TA must be kicking himself that he didnt do the book first
you guys should cut him in
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in the 90s when bodybuilding was at its peak as far as conditioned athletes go, almost everyone ate carbs.
Go figure.
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in the 90s when bodybuilding was at its peak as far as conditioned athletes go, almost everyone ate carbs.
Go figure.
omg-people ate carbs in the 90's! this is amazing!
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omg-people ate carbs in the 90's! this is amazing!
Yes and where the best conditioned athletes with the lowest body fat levels............wait, thats impossible isn't it, carbs stop body fat loss at some point don't they?
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Yes and where the best conditioned athletes with the lowest body fat levels............wait, thats impossible isn't it, carbs stop body fat loss at some point don't they?
you think eating carbs in a severe calorie deficit will cause the body to stop losing fat?
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you think eating carbs in a severe calorie deficit will cause the body to stop losing fat?
No, but someone does. ;)
yeah but we can tell you that the carbs bring fatloss to a halt, i think you need no scientific backing for that
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No, but someone does. ;)
hes correct. and so am i :)
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i like how no one is putting a smiley at the end of his posts now
i guess i taught him a valuable lesson
you are welcome no one 8)
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and so did I bigmc.
He wants to be friends now.
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TA must be kicking himself that he didnt do the book first
you guys should cut him in
He's probarly still busy working on his gravity suit :D
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hes correct. and so am i :)
Could you post a pic please? I would like to see how you've mastered these dieting principals before
I purchase your book.
Regards.
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Could you post a pic please? I would like to see how you've mastered these dieting principals before
I purchase your book.
Regards.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=483824.msg6880695#msg6880695
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Could you post a pic please? I would like to see how you've mastered these dieting principals before
I purchase your book.
Regards.
no one is jacked and ripped
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Yes and where the best conditioned athletes with the lowest body fat levels............wait, thats impossible isn't it, carbs stop body fat loss at some point don't they?
so where did this conditioning come from, in your opinion?
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and so did I bigmc.
He wants to be friends now.
I would like that very much.
fuck I'd even do it for free.
:D
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i like how no one is putting a smiley at the end of his posts now
i guess i taught him a valuable lesson
you are welcome no one 8)
bro have you not noticed how passive I've become lately? I'm not the 'mighty no one' who was once a devastating owning machine anymore.
I'm a respected author. I can't run around behaving like that. it might impact book sales.
that's why the smileys. it's all I got. but you wait my friend. once this bad boy is off the ground and I don't have such responsibilities anymore I'm going to fuck up your world. :D
cheers sir lol
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bro have you not noticed how passive I've become lately? I'm not the 'mighty no one' who was once a devastating owning machine anymore.
I'm a respected author. I can't run around behaving like that. it might impact book sales.
that's why the smileys. it's all I got. but you wait my friend. once this bad boy is off the ground and I don't have such responsibilities anymore I'm going to fuck up your world. :D
cheers sir lol
i will look for you on the field :-*
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I'd like to thank all the 'little people' who made this book possible.
ukjeff/bigmac/army of one and im sure im forgetting some.
without you we wouldn't have reached 90+ pages and 40000+ views.
please feel free to pick up an autographed copy in the lobby. act now and we'll throw in an autographed 8x10 glossy of Fatleniko at no extra charge (for the small fee of $10).
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i will look for you on the field :-*
prepare for battle sir. this hibernation is has been killing me.
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one of THE GREATEST OWNING'S my fellow bmw driving amigo was the 'growth noob'dismantling..
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So the book is a out dieting? I figured it be about whores and such.
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Yes and where the best conditioned athletes with the lowest body fat levels............wait, thats impossible isn't it, carbs stop body fat loss at some point don't they?
Do you have studies to back this up?
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Do you have studies to back this up?
trolls don't have studies bro. trolls troll. lol
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I can post you links to nutritional information if you like , however its accepted fact that bodybuilders in the 90s achieved the best condition, and it was the era of low fat diets not low carbs.
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I can post you links to nutritional information if you like , however its accepted fact that bodybuilders in the 90s achieved the best condition, and it was the era of low fat diets not low carbs.
thanks for the tip bro.
btw just a quick question- how much bone shattering mass are you carrying in that avatar pic your so proud of- after all you gotta be proud of it to make it your avatar. I'm just trying to figure out why.
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thanks for the tip bro.
btw just a quick question- how much bone shattering mass are you carrying in that avatar pic your so proud of- after all you gotta be proud of it to make it your avatar. I'm just trying to figure out why.
Im around 225 at the moment at 5'10
Oh and Im 48 in three weeks ;)
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Im around 225 at the moment at 5'10
Oh and Im 48 in three weeks ;)
like I give a fuck how old you are. lol English comprehension a problem for you or just a second language? thanks for volunteering it tho. I'll be sure to put it in my like I give a fuck box for future consideration.
here let me spell it out for you.
WHAT DID YOU WEIGH IN THE BIRD PIC, STICKBOY?
lol
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like I give a fuck how old you are. lol English comprehension a problem for you or just a second language? thanks for volunteering it tho. I'll be sure to put it in my like I give a fuck box for future consideration.
here let me spell it out for you.
WHAT DID YOU WEIGH IN THE BIRD PIC, STICKBOY?
lol
Bird pic?
WTF are you on about, are you drunk or just low on carbs?
Oh and just wait until you're 48 and take a look in the bathroom mirror ;)
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Galeniko and no one are Getbig's Bonnie and Clyde. We all know how that ends.
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Bird pic?
WTF are you on about, are you drunk or just low on carbs?
ya. bird pic, dildo. you dense or something? the one in the avatar where you look like a stork.
the weight. hop to it, stickman.
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Galeniko and no one are Getbig's Bonnie and Clyde. We all know how that ends.
real clever post.
shut the fuck up you simpleton. lol Jesus
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ya. bird pic, dildo. you dense or something? the one in the avatar where you look like a stork.
the weight. hop to it, stickman.
5lb heavier than I am now.
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5lb heavier than I am now.
nice job ukbeth!
too bad you look like something that fell off an african Salvation Army meal truck.
tell me all about how your 48 again dildo. lol holy shit 'you wait till YOU'RE 48' bahahahaha what a ponce.
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nice job ukbeth!
too bad you look like something that fell off an african Salvation Army meal truck.
I look better than you mate, post a current pic now or shut the fuck up.
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I look better than you mate, post a current pic now or shut the fuck up.
you don't make the rules here, pansy. I do. see how that works? good boy. now go sit in the corner till someone tells you you can have an opinion.
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you don't make the rules here, pansy. I do. see how that works? good boy. now go sit in the corner till someone tells you you can have an opinion.
hang on, didnt you write
bro have you not noticed how passive I've become lately? I'm not the 'mighty no one' who was once a devastating owning machine anymore.
I'm a respected author. I can't run around behaving like that. it might impact book sales.
that's why the smileys. it's all I got. but you wait my friend. once this bad boy is off the ground and I don't have such responsibilities anymore I'm going to fuck up your world.
cheers sir lol
Are you bi-polar?
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No one, big fucking gob riding on the back of galenikos condition.
Out of shape fat fuck. ;D
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hang on, didnt you write
Are you bi-polar?
that's right I did write that. good boy putting the two together. who's a big boy?! lol
lol holy shit your a bitch. do you and 'king shizzo' share the gay you two radiate or do you each have an inexhaustible supply?
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that's right I did write that. good boy putting the two together. who's a big boy?! lol
lol holy shit your a bitch. do you have 'king shizzo' share the gay you two radiate or do you each have an inexhaustible supply?
meltdown
stop drinking or have some carbs, you're rambling now
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Ukjeff how about you help a fat ass out like myself instead of hatin?
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Ukjeff how about you help a fat ass out like myself instead of hatin?
he's too busy to reply bro he's prolly busy watching re runs of golden girls while looking for photos to regale us with of equipment he made from used shell casings during the Crimean War.
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he's too busy to reply bro he's prolly busy watching re runs of golden girls while looking for photos to regale us with of equipment he made from used shell casings during the Crimean War.
Its not wear you been, its where you are and where you are going that matters!
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I can eat 4000 if I do landscaping work on my property daily easily combined with training. I take it you have never taken care of any sizable portion of land before.
I`m not all over the map. My caloric needs vary depending on my activity. I will be in a much greater defecit in the summer when I have outside work to do than I will be in the winter.
I am not like you, living on a postage stamp sized lot with no where to go and nothing to do. ;)
Why didn't your slaves do it for you? ;D
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Entertainment factor of 10.....almost as good as the scUM board after the App State loss.
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Release it NAOOOOO!! Can't wait to dig in.
I have spent lots of money on useless supplements and other
Ebook, but I got a hunch that this is going to be money well spent.
Would be cool if its Paypal, easier for us international getbiggers.
Cheers guys
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about 2 days to go until its finalised.
fuck if i dont manage to put it as pdf we just send a loooong ass email copy pasta or soemthing, but the pdf thing should work.
the weather here gonna be good, ill be showing off the rock hard sixpack a bit these days on beach, this much patience must be 8)
;D
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Release it NAOOOOO!! Can't wait to dig in.
I have spent lots of money on useless supplements and other
Ebook, but I got a hunch that this is going to be money well spent.
Would be cool if its Paypal, easier for us international getbiggers.
Cheers guys
thanks for the support broski.
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that's right I did write that. good boy putting the two together. who's a big boy?! lol
lol holy shit your a bitch. do you and 'king shizzo' share the gay you two radiate or do you each have an inexhaustible supply?
like your style :D
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like your style :D
this is how i always am. i tempered my shit for these clowns the last few days to bring about postive attention to what we are doing.
them im like, wait a minute, fuck that.
the merits of the system speak for themselves. anyone who doesnt want to try it is welcome to not to. its time to take back this fucking thread and put bitches like shizzo and his mentally feebed 'upper half' ukbeth to sleep.
cheers bro. ;)
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I agree as I am experiencing this myself almost on daily basis. As I said before, I cut my calories in half almost 2 weeks ago (around 1300 cal a day currently, should go probably for less) when I decided to try what you are talking about. I also stated that I do not use even protein powder let alone something 'else'. We all have different goals size wise but also a common goal. To get as lean as possible.
The weirdest thing was to feel hunger again after god knows how long. I was also surprised how much more energy I feel on such a low calories regime and how much pumped mentally I am in the gym.
There will always be someone bullshitting about this even before trying. Unfortunately this is Get Big where even great topics such as this one get attacked with some smart ass comments.
I believe there is much more guys on this board who agree with you and Gal in regards how to get lean in short period of time and who are already trying this system. I also bet some of the guys who are
trolling here UKJeff, BigMC, Army of One, etc (not Shizzo as he is battling different enemy-alcohol, so don't take him seriously as sometimes alcohol speaks instead of him) are thinking to try it and we might see soon UKJeff competing again at age of 48. Can you believe he is 48?
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fuck I love this thread, not jumping in though, way to entertaining, I think I will enjoy it from the side lines ;D
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I agree as I am experiencing this myself almost on daily basis. As I said before, I cut my calories in half almost 2 weeks ago (around 1300 cal a day currently, should go probably for less) when I decided to try what you are talking about. I also stated that I do not use even protein powder let alone something 'else'. We all have different goals size wise but also a common goal. To get as lean as possible.
The weirdest thing was to feel hunger again after god knows how long. I was also surprised how much more energy I feel on such a low calories regime and how much pumped mentally I am in the gym.
There will always be someone bullshitting about this even before trying. Unfortunately this is Get Big where even great topics such as this one get attacked with some smart ass comments.
I believe there is much more guys on this board who agree with you and Gal in regards how to get lean in short period of time and who are already trying this system. I also bet some of the guys who are
trolling here UKJeff, BigMC, Army of One, etc (not Shizzo as he is battling different enemy-alcohol, so don't take him seriously as sometimes alcohol speaks instead of him) are thinking to try it and we might see soon UKJeff competing again at age of 48. Can you believe he is 48?
ya dude the shit works. period. and exceptionally well.
im glad even as a natty your experiences parallel our own. only gives more creedence to what we are doing here.
as for ukbeth i cant believe he competes looking like that, let alone donning a thong in the pursuit of glory when he should be oiling the wheels on his walker.
he should spend more time listening, instead of hitting the report to moderator button every 4 seconds like an old queen. he might learn something.
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fuck I love this thread, not jumping in though, way to entertaining, I think I will enjoy it from the side lines ;D
stick around bro. im only getting warmed up.
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I agree as I am experiencing this myself almost on daily basis. As I said before, I cut my calories in half almost 2 weeks ago (around 1300 cal a day currently, should go probably for less) when I decided to try what you are talking about. I also stated that I do not use even protein powder let alone something 'else'. We all have different goals size wise but also a common goal. To get as lean as possible.
The weirdest thing was to feel hunger again after god knows how long. I was also surprised how much more energy I feel on such a low calories regime and how much pumped mentally I am in the gym.
There will always be someone bullshitting about this even before trying. Unfortunately this is Get Big where even great topics such as this one get attacked with some smart ass comments.
I believe there is much more guys on this board who agree with you and Gal in regards how to get lean in short period of time and who are already trying this system. I also bet some of the guys who are
trolling here UKJeff, BigMC, Army of One, etc (not Shizzo as he is battling different enemy-alcohol, so don't take him seriously as sometimes alcohol speaks instead of him) are thinking to try it and we might see soon UKJeff competing again at age of 48. Can you believe he is 48?
Yup. Hunger. When you wrap your head around the fact that you are doing something good for your body, and losing bodyfat...hunger becomes like a good thing.
PS dude I'm 49 ...UKJeff is 48 , i think No One is around 40 or so also....there are a lot of in shape older guys on this forum. I have a recent pic kicking around.....that's a good thing about this forum, it isn't just kids.
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fuck I love this thread, not jumping in though, way to entertaining, I think I will enjoy it from the side lines ;D
Me too. It never seems to surprise me 8)
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Yup. Hunger. When you wrap your head around the fact that you are doing something good for your body, and losing bodyfat...hunger becomes like a good thing.
PS dude I'm 49 ...UKJeff is 48 , there are a lot of in shape older guys on this forum. I have a recent pic kicking around.....that's a good thing about this forum, it isn't just kids.
I am 46 and on my way to finally get in good shape ;)
I have been reading this forum on and off for at least 10 years, merely for a daily dose of laugh.
You are right it isn't just kids, but sometimes we are behaving like them as part of us will always be that way. Its like a dad in the park playing with his son's remotely controlled toy.
Get Big is our park :)
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I am 46 and on my way to finally get in good shape ;)
I have been reading this forum on and off for at least 10 years, merely for a daily dose of laugh.
You are right it isn't just kids, but sometimes we are behaving like them as part of us will always be that way. Its like a dad in the park playing with his son's remotely controlled toy.
Get Big is our park :)
Good luck dude...you are on the right track. It can be done and there are lots of guys here for inspiration, and even though we come off as insane pricks most of the time, the real dudes are the real dudes, and will always give advice and help to someone that doesn't act like a douche.
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ya dude the shit works. period. and exceptionally well.
im glad even as a natty your experiences parallel our own. only gives more creedence to what we are doing here.
as for ukbeth i cant believe he competes looking like that, let alone donning a thong in the pursuit of glory when he should be oiling the wheels on his walker.
he should spend more time listening, instead of hitting the report to moderator button every 4 seconds like an old queen. he might learn something.
Ya dude, eating carbs works to, and exceptionally well.
No one way (see what I did there) to losing weight, apart from reducing calories, that works every time.
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the fuck are you to compare anything we do to the absolute failure you are.
no flea will ever compare to the lion whos bag it sits on.
know your role here, and dont ever compare us again.
fucking some people. get off my nuts, boy.
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the fuck are you to compare anything we do to the absolute failure you are.
no flea will ever compare to the lion whos bag it sits on.
know your role here, and dont ever compare us again.
fucking some people. get off my nuts, boy.
Get back to me after you are a literary millionaire, hang on, its Gal thats writing the book isnt it?
Who the fuck are you again and what have you contributed to its production.
You are just Gals 'lickspittle' , a done fuck all in life hanger on.
Post your contest pic "guru" lets all see what you have achieved.
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hahahahaha 'lickspittle'? who the fuck says 'lickspittle'?
jesus christ dude take a breath. you're coming unglued. its not safe at your age. you'll have an aneurism or some shit.
let me spell it out for you, speedbag, cause apparently your comprehension from thread to thread is compellingly lacking. either that or you really are as stupid as i make you out to be.
bigger. leaner. better. every day. over your best day.
you 'get' that, biafra?
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hahahahaha 'lickspittle'? who the fuck says 'lickspittle'?
jesus christ dude take a breath. you're coming unglued. its not safe at your age. you'll have an aneurism or some shit.
let me spell it out for you, speedbag, cause apparently your comprehension from thread to thread is compellingly lacking. either that or you really are as stupid as i make you out to be.
bigger. leaner. better. every day. over your best day.
you 'get' that, biafra?
So you keep saying internet bodybuilder
At least you are improving on your past best
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198938.0;attach=231532;image)
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So you keep saying internet bodybuilder
At least you are improving on your past best
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198938.0;attach=231532;image)
wooooooow.
good going.
lol you havent been here long, have you? ;)
stay tuned sparky. your day just got a lot worse.
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dont worry, I will be here when you recover your composure.
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So you keep saying internet bodybuilder
At least you are improving on your past best
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198938.0;attach=231532;image)
lol who was it that said that this dude in no one from the start?
no one has posted pics before he is big and shredded
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lol who was it that said that this dude in no one from the start?
no one has posted pics before he is big and shredded
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198938.0
It was in this old thread, he denied it at the time but didn't post a pic in his defence.
He did react badly when I posted it this time, strange that if it wasnt him. ::)
Maybe the 'big and ripped' pics are someone else. ;)
Its a great read that thread, no one even set up a profile on a gay website for a member in order to get revenge.
Also you will see that a photo of the guy in question was in his avatar.
Read the thread.
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please cancel my book order, thank you
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please cancel my book order, thank you
Not a problem Sir , you'll get your full refund within 2 weeks , minus a $20 cancellation fee.
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Who's the fat kid with the gay tiger poster........lol
This just gets better and better...
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198938.0
It was in this old thread, he denied it at the time but didn't post a pic in his defence.
He did react badly when I posted it this time, strange that if it wasnt him. ::)
Maybe the 'big and ripped' pics are someone else. ;)
Its a great read that thread, no one even set up a profile on a gay website for a member in order to get revenge.
Also you will see that a photo of the guy in question was in his avatar.
Read the thread.
could be, could be
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Get back to me after you are a literary millionaire, hang on, its Gal thats writing the book isnt it?
Who the fuck are you again and what have you contributed to its production.
You are just Gals 'lickspittle' , a done fuck all in life hanger on.
Post your contest pic "guru" lets all see what you have achieved.
Why you so angry all the time?
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this is knda related tidbit.
today i went to the beach.
you know, theres like toiletplace there with a sink with mirror infront of it.
so i went to the toilet after coming out of the water, looking jacked as hell from the swimming pump.
now i exit the toilet and have to walk by that mentioned sink and what do i see there,as i aproach the place from behind?
a permafatso, ironically red skin like a pig instead of mt2 induced tan(like the knowledgeable do), standing infront of the mirror and fully spreading his lats, hitting a front lat pose, and "flexing" the area where a chest would suposed to be(his was all fat and bitchtits), his v taper was non existent even with his fatslats fully out.
i observe that macabre show for couple seconds he doesnt see me.
then suddenly he notices someone is standing there, but not stopping, only when he realized that fully jacked guy stands there he immediately stopped the pose and walked away as if nothing happened.
then later on , as i was lying there in the sun, there was 3 women next to me, 1 hot and with good taste , 1 tall with cow-like hips and bbuilder gut syndrome and 1 was plain fat.
they seeked contact, very loudly talking about weight training"how can i develop this and that muscle"blabla.
the wide hipped cow has a laugh about guys walking with ILS (she dont mean me,i never do that), the hot one finds me pleasing(they all do, but only the hot one has courage to admit so),which is funny for later on.the "simply fat one"girl is debating with the hot one over me and says she just doesnt find my physique pleasing(i told her i find her to be just perfect later), and then, suddenly, the above mentioned fatso from the toilet incident comes along walking, beer in one hand, fries and icecreas im other, "pecs" full out, tenfold dwared by his humongous barndoor wide gut, and the guy again oversses me(bc im small ;D) and looks at the girls as if its only up to his goodwill whether they should be fucked by him or not, as if hed do them a favour(i swear this lad has nerves of steel), this is so hillarious bc the widehipped cow has just laughed about ils guys 2 minutes before, then the guy finally sees me and suddenly deflates again,
what do we conclude from this?permafatsos know full well they havent got shit on rachorse like physique, ripped to shreds.
the other day,some whore aproached me and asked me if i have a ciggy for her, for they allegedly dont sell them there(which they do).
ripped physique has similiar effect on women like shit to flies
;D ;D ;D
truth spoken.
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nice post gal
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this is knda related tidbit.
today i went to the beach.
you know, theres like toiletplace there with a sink with mirror infront of it.
so i went to the toilet after coming out of the water, looking jacked as hell from the swimming pump.
now i exit the toilet and have to walk by that mentioned sink and what do i see there,as i aproach the place from behind?
a permafatso, ironically red skin like a pig instead of mt2 induced tan(like the knowledgeable do), standing infront of the mirror and fully spreading his lats, hitting a front lat pose, and "flexing" the area where a chest would suposed to be(his was all fat and bitchtits), his v taper was non existent even with his fatslats fully out.
i observe that macabre show for couple seconds he doesnt see me.
then suddenly he notices someone is standing there, but not stopping, only when he realized that fully jacked guy stands there he immediately stopped the pose and walked away as if nothing happened.
then later on , as i was lying there in the sun, there was 3 women next to me, 1 hot and with good taste , 1 tall with cow-like hips and bbuilder gut syndrome and 1 was plain fat.
they seeked contact, very loudly talking about weight training"how can i develop this and that muscle"blabla.
the wide hipped cow has a laugh about guys walking with ILS (she dont mean me,i never do that), the hot one finds me pleasing(they all do, but only the hot one has courage to admit so),which is funny for later on.the "simply fat one"girl is debating with the hot one over me and says she just doesnt find my physique pleasing(i told her i find her to be just perfect later), and then, suddenly, the above mentioned fatso from the toilet incident comes along walking, beer in one hand, fries and icecreas im other, "pecs" full out, tenfold dwared by his humongous barndoor wide gut, and the guy again oversses me(bc im small ;D) and looks at the girls as if its only up to his goodwill whether they should be fucked by him or not, as if hed do them a favour(i swear this lad has nerves of steel), this is so hillarious bc the widehipped cow has just laughed about ils guys 2 minutes before, then the guy finally sees me and suddenly deflates again,
what do we conclude from this?permafatsos know full well they havent got shit on rachorse like physique, ripped to shreds.
the other day,some whore aproached me and asked me if i have a ciggy for her, for they allegedly dont sell them there(which they do).
ripped physique has similiar effect on women like shit to flies
all alpha. :)
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this is knda related tidbit.
today i went to the beach.
you know, theres like toiletplace there with a sink with mirror infront of it.
so i went to the toilet after coming out of the water, looking jacked as hell from the swimming pump.
now i exit the toilet and have to walk by that mentioned sink and what do i see there,as i aproach the place from behind?
a permafatso, ironically red skin like a pig instead of mt2 induced tan(like the knowledgeable do), standing infront of the mirror and fully spreading his lats, hitting a front lat pose, and "flexing" the area where a chest would suposed to be(his was all fat and bitchtits), his v taper was non existent even with his fatslats fully out.
i observe that macabre show for couple seconds he doesnt see me.
then suddenly he notices someone is standing there, but not stopping, only when he realized that fully jacked guy stands there he immediately stopped the pose and walked away as if nothing happened.
then later on , as i was lying there in the sun, there was 3 women next to me, 1 hot and with good taste , 1 tall with cow-like hips and bbuilder gut syndrome and 1 was plain fat.
they seeked contact, very loudly talking about weight training"how can i develop this and that muscle"blabla.
the wide hipped cow has a laugh about guys walking with ILS (she dont mean me,i never do that), the hot one finds me pleasing(they all do, but only the hot one has courage to admit so),which is funny for later on.the "simply fat one"girl is debating with the hot one over me and says she just doesnt find my physique pleasing(i told her i find her to be just perfect later), and then, suddenly, the above mentioned fatso from the toilet incident comes along walking, beer in one hand, fries and icecreas im other, "pecs" full out, tenfold dwared by his humongous barndoor wide gut, and the guy again oversses me(bc im small ;D) and looks at the girls as if its only up to his goodwill whether they should be fucked by him or not, as if hed do them a favour(i swear this lad has nerves of steel), this is so hillarious bc the widehipped cow has just laughed about ils guys 2 minutes before, then the guy finally sees me and suddenly deflates again,
what do we conclude from this?permafatsos know full well they havent got shit on rachorse like physique, ripped to shreds.
the other day,some whore aproached me and asked me if i have a ciggy for her, for they allegedly dont sell them there(which they do).
ripped physique has similiar effect on women like shit to flies
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there should be chapter on 'gali lingo'
fatso
perma fatso
cow like
ripped to shreds race horse,,,
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woa....any updates on this?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198938.msg2892821#msg2892821
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198938.0;attach=244372;image)
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this is knda related tidbit.
today i went to the beach.
you know, theres like toiletplace there with a sink with mirror infront of it.
so i went to the toilet after coming out of the water, looking jacked as hell from the swimming pump.
now i exit the toilet and have to walk by that mentioned sink and what do i see there,as i aproach the place from behind?
a permafatso, ironically red skin like a pig instead of mt2 induced tan(like the knowledgeable do), standing infront of the mirror and fully spreading his lats, hitting a front lat pose, and "flexing" the area where a chest would suposed to be(his was all fat and bitchtits), his v taper was non existent even with his fatslats fully out.
i observe that macabre show for couple seconds he doesnt see me.
then suddenly he notices someone is standing there, but not stopping, only when he realized that fully jacked guy stands there he immediately stopped the pose and walked away as if nothing happened.
then later on , as i was lying there in the sun, there was 3 women next to me, 1 hot and with good taste , 1 tall with cow-like hips and bbuilder gut syndrome and 1 was plain fat.
they seeked contact, very loudly talking about weight training"how can i develop this and that muscle"blabla.
the wide hipped cow has a laugh about guys walking with ILS (she dont mean me,i never do that), the hot one finds me pleasing(they all do, but only the hot one has courage to admit so),which is funny for later on.the "simply fat one"girl is debating with the hot one over me and says she just doesnt find my physique pleasing(i told her i find her to be just perfect later), and then, suddenly, the above mentioned fatso from the toilet incident comes along walking, beer in one hand, fries and icecreas im other, "pecs" full out, tenfold dwared by his humongous barndoor wide gut, and the guy again oversses me(bc im small ;D) and looks at the girls as if its only up to his goodwill whether they should be fucked by him or not, as if hed do them a favour(i swear this lad has nerves of steel), this is so hillarious bc the widehipped cow has just laughed about ils guys 2 minutes before, then the guy finally sees me and suddenly deflates again,
what do we conclude from this?permafatsos know full well they havent got shit on rachorse like physique, ripped to shreds.
the other day,some whore aproached me and asked me if i have a ciggy for her, for they allegedly dont sell them there(which they do).
ripped physique has similiar effect on women like shit to flies
Haha good job Galeniko
Did the permafatso looked like this ?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=484398.0;attach=524804;image)
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woa....any updates on this?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198938.msg2892821#msg2892821
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198938.0;attach=244372;image)
ya, what do you want to know?
how dildo 'ukbeth' tired of getting fed his lunch by me for two straight days after i had allowed him the grace of running his mouth at mine and gals' expense in this thread, decided to do some sleuthing, found a classic legendary thread from back in the day that someone created in an attempt to discredit me?
not really a whole lot to talk about, or see here, other than how sadly desperate our little boy bethany has become in order to troll thru 3 years of post history in a feeble attempt to own somebody that has about as much strength as that emaciated broomstick he calls a body. lol
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Ukjeff is one hell of a negative, sad son of a bitch, comparable only to uberman in that regard but...
he looked great in his contest pic. I am sorry but both of you don't come even remotely close to him. I hate him as much as you do (and you hate me) but that's the sad truth. He has Frank Zane'esque look to his physique.
Weight is irrelevant since Flex Wheeler destroyed everyone on this planet being sub 220.
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Ukjeff is one hell of a negative, sad son of a bitch, comparable only to uberman in that regard but...
he looked great in his contest pic. I am sorry but both of you don't come even remotely close to him. I hate him as much as you do (and you hate me) but that's the sad truth. He has Frank Zane'esque look to his physique.
Weight is irrelevant since Flex Wheeler destroyed everyone on this planet being sub 220.
hey bro, let me explain to you what i see. after reading it im sure you'll agree. the illusion is that his structure is his saving grace. let me explain.
looks great? hes flat, stringy and looks to have about as much lean tissue as a piece of jerky. given his age tho the resemblence to jerky is probably not conincidental.
the reason he looks like the cumulation of the effects i mention is a ineffective, inefficient approach to dieting. nobdoy who uses anabolics like has has admitted to should look so flat and unimpressive dieted down. his calories are not being ustilised properly and his anabolics are not being utlisied properly. he should be full, dense and impressive. he is none of the 3. he does have a good structure on top of which the jerky sits, and thank god for that or he'd be a complete mess, but thats as far as it goes.
i made him an offer in another thread. let me and gal prep him for his next show. we'll bring him in looking exactly the way gal and i walk around every day- not just one day- every day.
up to him if he wants to waste another 12-16 weeks of his life to look sub par.
cheers.
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ya, what do you want to know?
how dildo 'ukbeth' tired of getting fed his lunch by me for two straight days after i had allowed him the grace of running his mouth at mine and gals' expense in this thread, decided to do some sleuthing, found a classic legendary thread from back in the day that someone created in an attempt to discredit me?
not really a whole lot to talk about, or see here, other than how sadly desperate our little boy bethany has become in order to troll thru 3 years of post history in a feeble attempt to own somebody that has about as much strength as that emaciated broomstick he calls a body. lol
Is this you or not?
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Is this you or not?
lol who the fuck are you again? if you want to believe thats me, fill your boots sunshine. you'll forgive me if i dont jump to satisfy you with an answer.
youd do well to address me properly going forward. sir, or your god-ness will do nicely.
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lol who the fuck are you again? if you want to believe thats me, fill your boots sunshine. you'll forgive me if i dont jump to satisfy you with an answer.
youd do well to address me properly going forward. sir, or your god-ness will do nicely.
I asked you a simple question.
Is this you or not?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198938.0;attach=244372;image)
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all i care about is having shredded and small waist
how small is your waist?
and i'm talking bout a measurement taken about an inch (2 cm) below the navel, none of this measurement taken at the slimmest and narrowest part of the waist horseshit
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80cm,just above that.with empty gut.
and 48cm cannons ripped.
the arms look like they absolutely dwarf the waist from all sides.
i know bouncer has smaller waist, but he got nowhere near the arms.
:D
btw ofc the narrowest part is what counts,lol.
nice honest answer, i respect that brother 8)
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to give a bit of an update (not that anyone asked), i've been sticking (admittedly a little loosely) to this diet for the past month or so now, and have become quite lean. i'm still hoping to get striations in my quads, which it seems like im just on the cusp of, in the right light. sickening veins on the abs and calves at times, striations on triceps, even can see my pathetic brachialis in the right light (i swear i thought this muscle didn't exist on me until now), and the lowest part of my lats are starting to come in, such that the "christmas tree" extends all the way down.
i basically eat 2 scoops of whey and a handful of nuts after waking up. go to work, don't eat all day pretty much, have a coffee and tea or two, then come home and eat about 1/2 lb chicken in some sauce or spices + steamed vegetables. later that night i'll have maybe another 2 scoops of whey and some more nuts.
all in all, about 150g protein, a bag of vegetables, and a decent couple handfuls of nuts.
i'm not really hungry at most times, but the weight is coming off and i feel good. my workouts have been fine, though my strength is pretty sad (405 deadlift felt like 500+, for example). even if i've lost lean tissue (hard to tell), i like the way i look now more than the way i looked a month ago.
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to give a bit of an update (not that anyone asked), i've been sticking (admittedly a little loosely) to this diet for the past month or so now, and have become quite lean. i'm still hoping to get striations in my quads, which it seems like im just on the cusp of, in the right light. sickening veins on the abs and calves at times, striations on triceps, even can see my pathetic brachialis in the right light (i swear i thought this muscle didn't exist on me until now), and the lowest part of my lats are starting to come in, such that the "christmas tree" extends all the way down.
i basically eat 2 scoops of whey and a handful of nuts after waking up. go to work, don't eat all day pretty much, have a coffee and tea or two, then come home and eat about 1/2 lb chicken in some sauce or spices + steamed vegetables. later that night i'll have maybe another 2 scoops of whey and some more nuts.
all in all, about 150g protein, a bag of vegetables, and a decent couple handfuls of nuts.
i'm not really hungry at most times, but the weight is coming off and i feel good. my workouts have been fine, though my strength is pretty sad (405 deadlift felt like 500+, for example). even if i've lost lean tissue (hard to tell), i like the way i look now more than the way i looked a month ago.
Very intriguing. How much weight have you lost?
I'm on a diet too. Basically, I have bronchitis and am on a strong antibiotic. My appetite is nil. In the past week, I've lost 8 lbs. -Sucks, because I have no energy and can't workout until I finish the antibiotic, which won't be until next Saturday. I hope I haven't lost some of the muscle I gained in the last 10 weeks.
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there is,there is :D
nah hes not negative, jst edgy and confrontational,i like him.
he looks better?hm,maybe , but all i care about is having shredded and small waist, and huge arms for my frame, that i have and am perfectly happy with.
:D
but you cant compare two guys until they stand one next to eachother, never should do that.
you said the drugged kid that won some contest,the young insulin guy,is bigger than me, which i say theres no way he is.
i look bigger than that kid when im natural vs his off season look.im not joking on that.
but yeah,its all unsure until we get to stand to eachother.
ill go to california this year and do things, dont worry,ill find that kid then you can see whos bigger :D
ukjeff is an arrogant bloke......can't stand his anti USA rants.
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Very intriguing. How much weight have you lost?
I'm on a diet too. Basically, I have bronchitis and am on a strong antibiotic. My appetite is nil. In the past week, I've lost 8 lbs. -Sucks, because I have no energy and can't workout until I finish the antibiotic, which won't be until next Saturday. I hope I haven't lost some of the muscle I gained in the last 10 weeks.
i started around 205 and am down to about 192 now.
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G,
when is this book coming out, sorry, i havent been payin attention..is it a ebook, newletter.?
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Love galenikos beach stories.
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this is knda related tidbit.
today i went to the beach.
you know, theres like toiletplace there with a sink with mirror infront of it.
so i went to the toilet after coming out of the water, looking jacked as hell from the swimming pump.
now i exit the toilet and have to walk by that mentioned sink and what do i see there,as i aproach the place from behind?
a permafatso, ironically red skin like a pig instead of mt2 induced tan(like the knowledgeable do), standing infront of the mirror and fully spreading his lats, hitting a front lat pose, and "flexing" the area where a chest would suposed to be(his was all fat and bitchtits), his v taper was non existent even with his fatslats fully out.
i observe that macabre show for couple seconds he doesnt see me.
then suddenly he notices someone is standing there, but not stopping, only when he realized that fully jacked guy stands there he immediately stopped the pose and walked away as if nothing happened.
then later on , as i was lying there in the sun, there was 3 women next to me, 1 hot and with good taste , 1 tall with cow-like hips and bbuilder gut syndrome and 1 was plain fat.
they seeked contact, very loudly talking about weight training"how can i develop this and that muscle"blabla.
the wide hipped cow has a laugh about guys walking with ILS (she dont mean me,i never do that), the hot one finds me pleasing(they all do, but only the hot one has courage to admit so),which is funny for later on.the "simply fat one"girl is debating with the hot one over me and says she just doesnt find my physique pleasing(i told her i find her to be just perfect later), and then, suddenly, the above mentioned fatso from the toilet incident comes along walking, beer in one hand, fries and icecreas im other, "pecs" full out, tenfold dwared by his humongous barndoor wide gut, and the guy again oversses me(bc im small ;D) and looks at the girls as if its only up to his goodwill whether they should be fucked by him or not, as if hed do them a favour(i swear this lad has nerves of steel), this is so hillarious bc the widehipped cow has just laughed about ils guys 2 minutes before, then the guy finally sees me and suddenly deflates again,
what do we conclude from this?permafatsos know full well they havent got shit on rachorse like physique, ripped to shreds.
the other day,some whore aproached me and asked me if i have a ciggy for her, for they allegedly dont sell them there(which they do).
ripped physique has similiar effect on women like shit to flies
ah the world famous Swiss beaches ;D
unless you are in Montenegro ;)
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hey bro, let me explain to you what i see. after reading it im sure you'll agree. the illusion is that his structure is his saving grace. let me explain.
looks great? hes flat, stringy and looks to have about as much lean tissue as a piece of jerky. given his age tho the resemblence to jerky is probably not conincidental.
the reason he looks like the cumulation of the effects i mention is a ineffective, inefficient approach to dieting. nobdoy who uses anabolics like has has admitted to should look so flat and unimpressive dieted down. his calories are not being ustilised properly and his anabolics are not being utlisied properly. he should be full, dense and impressive. he is none of the 3. he does have a good structure on top of which the jerky sits, and thank god for that or he'd be a complete mess, but thats as far as it goes.
i made him an offer in another thread. let me and gal prep him for his next show. we'll bring him in looking exactly the way gal and i walk around every day- not just one day- every day.
up to him if he wants to waste another 12-16 weeks of his life to look sub par.
cheers.
epic meltdown
Im just a bloke who used to lift weights and do the occasional show, I never took it serious, I used to like keeping in shape , the competing was just an added extra.
Have you won any shows or do you just train for fitness?
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should be ready in 1 or 2 days.ebook.
Perfect, I will support it for sure.
Look forward to it.
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In slight defense for no one,
anybody can have a period of looking like shit. doesn't mean they don't know their stuff.
also, a lot can be learned in 5 years. A lot from research, and a lot from trial and error. I myself learned tons in the past 5 years, but I'm getting to the point where there isn't much else to be learned anymore in terms of bodybuilding for my own personal goals.
digging up a picture of someone from 5 years ago when they looked like a fat slob doesn't really mean anything. a lot can happen in 5 years
also, some of the best bodybuilding gurus never had much success themselves, but can coach in a way that leads others to success. (although this doesn't really apply to no one, i've seen him shredded in the pic he was at the beach with his dog, and also that recent mirror pic)
Mike arnold for example, doesn't have the best physique, actually looks pretty bad but he is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to drugs and AAS.
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Weirdest thing this diet. After weeks of starving, if you up your protein to 1.5-2x bodyweight and increase calories slightly you will start gaining muscle mass rapidly. Don't worry about strength loss btw which you will encounter the first week or two. I tested some of my strength benchmarks recently even though I was not carbed up at all. My strength numbers either stayed the same or went up slightly. I believe when lifting in caloris deficit, as long as you decrease the weight but keep the volume the same the strength level should remain the same if you decide to test it every two weeks or so. Obviously a high caloric deficit diet you will have to decrease the weights lifted anyways, you will not have a choice during the first week or two while your body adapts.
I had steaks on Thursday and Friday. Besides that very clean, vegies and chicken, boiled eggs. My biggest diet cheat so far has been peanut butter. Peanut butter tastes amazing when you are starving everyday. I also more chicken then usual because I upped my lifting amount as well as my "protein dough". I feel leaner and less bf to visual inspection but weight has gone up, along with water weight obviously.
Way too much protein, need to take a shit bad.
In slight defense for no one,
anybody can have a period of looking like shit. doesn't mean they don't know their stuff.
also, a lot can be learned in 5 years. A lot from research, and a lot from trial and error. I myself learned tons in the past 5 years, but I'm getting to the point where there isn't much else to be learned anymore in terms of bodybuilding for my own personal goals.
digging up a picture of someone from 5 years ago when they looked like a fat slob doesn't really mean anything. a lot can happen in 5 years
also, some of the best bodybuilding gurus never had much success themselves, but can coach in a way that leads others to success. (although this doesn't really apply to no one, i've seen him shredded in the pic he was at the beach with his dog, and also that recent mirror pic)
Mike arnold for example, doesn't have the best physique, actually looks pretty bad but he is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to drugs and AAS.
VEY TRUE. Five years ago I didn;t even know bout squats or deads and my primary leg workout was running.
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to give a bit of an update (not that anyone asked), i've been sticking (admittedly a little loosely) to this diet for the past month or so now, and have become quite lean. i'm still hoping to get striations in my quads, which it seems like im just on the cusp of, in the right light. sickening veins on the abs and calves at times, striations on triceps, even can see my pathetic brachialis in the right light (i swear i thought this muscle didn't exist on me until now), and the lowest part of my lats are starting to come in, such that the "christmas tree" extends all the way down.
i basically eat 2 scoops of whey and a handful of nuts after waking up. go to work, don't eat all day pretty much, have a coffee and tea or two, then come home and eat about 1/2 lb chicken in some sauce or spices + steamed vegetables. later that night i'll have maybe another 2 scoops of whey and some more nuts.
all in all, about 150g protein, a bag of vegetables, and a decent couple handfuls of nuts.
i'm not really hungry at most times, but the weight is coming off and i feel good. my workouts have been fine, though my strength is pretty sad (405 deadlift felt like 500+, for example). even if i've lost lean tissue (hard to tell), i like the way i look now more than the way i looked a month ago.
i had a friend come up to me in the gym today who i gave the system to to try and he looks at me and says 'this is ridiculous. its doing exactly what you said it would. i cant believe it.'
he couldnt believe it cause hes an experienced competitor and from everything he knows, its not 'supposed' to work. in fact when i first broke it down for him he was looking at me like i had three heads. i had to keep repeating 'you just have to trust me bro'. lol
so, im glad to see your results are the same as what everyone is experiencing. its working the same way for everyone. natural. enhanced. competitive. recreational. its not even a question in our minds to put our integrity behind this diet.
we want to hear these updates. not just the positive ones but even if there are negative ones. cause then we can help that person figure out where in the system they have gone wrong, and then someone else reading it will maybe see it and think ' oh ya, thats happening to me too. i'll try that'.
question: when do you train in the am or night time after work?
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epic meltdown
Im just a bloke who used to lift weights and do the occasional show, I never took it serious, I used to like keeping in shape , the competing was just an added extra.
Have you won any shows or do you just train for fitness?
hers tip number two, corky. this one is free as well- see arent i a nice guy? ya, i thought you'd think so.
repeating 'meltdown' after every time i post is more of a reflection of your inability to mount any kind of rebuttal to the battering you are taking. 'meltdown' is internet slang for 'i dont have anything to say, but i need to say something because this guy is making me look like a fucking retard cause i cant keep my stupid mouth shut'.
just shut the fuck up dude. its that simple. there are people here who actively care about bettering themselves and are wanting to learn how so keep your fucking mouth shut in this thread from now on until you have something of value to ad, or something resourceful to say.
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In slight defense for no one,
anybody can have a period of looking like shit. doesn't mean they don't know their stuff.
also, a lot can be learned in 5 years. A lot from research, and a lot from trial and error. I myself learned tons in the past 5 years, but I'm getting to the point where there isn't much else to be learned anymore in terms of bodybuilding for my own personal goals.
digging up a picture of someone from 5 years ago when they looked like a fat slob doesn't really mean anything. a lot can happen in 5 years
also, some of the best bodybuilding gurus never had much success themselves, but can coach in a way that leads others to success. (although this doesn't really apply to no one, i've seen him shredded in the pic he was at the beach with his dog, and also that recent mirror pic)
Mike arnold for example, doesn't have the best physique, actually looks pretty bad but he is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to drugs and AAS.
this pastime can be an evolutionary process should you chose it to be so. every time you better yourself thru knowledge and understanding it shows in your physique.
its no shock to me i look nothing now like i did even two years ago. my type of drugs are the same, but oddly the amounts have decreased. i lift less weight not more. so whats changed? my knowledge, and its application.
imo learning, knowledge and application are the major keys to combatting stagnation and will lead to breakthrus in plateaus. not 'more drugs'. knowledge. application.
i also think if one is going to dispense advise they should look the part. all the science in the world isnt going to make you look great, or else lyle macdonald would be a stud. mike arnold would be a stud. what works in science and what works in real life are often tow very different things.
you can have science bro. i'll take experience any day of the week over it.
thanks for posting this. not cause you off handedly supported me, but because it'll show people the more they learn, and the more they apply that knowledge the better they become- in all aspects of life.
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just shut the fuck up dude. its that simple. there are people here who actively care about bettering themselves and are wanting to learn how so keep your fucking mouth shut in this thread from now on until you have something of value to ad, or something resourceful to say.
Carbs are very important in any bodybuilders diet, they act as "protein sparers" to allow your body to better utilise the protein you take in, without carbs your body will breakdown the protein and use it for energy as opposed to building and repairing muscle tissue.
I thank you. ;)
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Carbs are very important in any bodybuilders diet, they act as "protein sparers" to allow your body to better utilise the protein you take in, without carbs your body will breakdown the protein and use it for energy as opposed to building and repairing muscle tissue.
I thank you. ;)
we are finding thru application and experience that this statement just simply is not true.
youd do well to try this system and see what we are talking about instead of blindly arguing your stance from an incomplete position which contains zero experience with the model at hand.
have you tried it our way? no, you haven't. have we tried it yours? yes, we have. I too blindly believed the same incomplete, misleading and lacking ideologies. in fact one look at your 'glory years' photo should be proof enough that what you did when dieting was completely ineffective. NOBODY who uses anabolics should look so flat and uninspiring when dieted down.
feel free to live in ignorance with your archaic methods. just don't try to sell others the same bullshit on my dime, sunshine. some people want to learn and better themselves here. your not one of them.
you came here strictly to troll. please find attached a screenshot of a post you made this am in another thread which attests to the fact.
what kind of 48 year old man even has the time to do such things, let alone admit to them? the fuck is wrong with you? YOU'RE 48 YEARS OLD. GROW THE FUCK UP.
your done here, stooge.
no need to thank me. ;)
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Enlightening (see red marked part)?
A bit of everything
by Greg Nuckols
This wasn’t an overly high-volume week of training. I’m getting married in 12 days, so most of my time has been consumed with wedding stuff. However, I did manage to hit two PRs this week. I pulled a 625 snatch grip deadlift and I hit a 237 strict overhead press. I’m still doing a minimum of 100 bodyweight squats a day, which still consistently wears me out.
I hit a new low for bodyweight a couple days ago at 234. When I get to 231, I’ll be at the 20 pounds weight-loss mark (251 was the highest I got before the meet). Not bad work for about 9 weeks of dieting while still hitting PRs!
The biggest difference between this cut and ones in the past was that I had a definite, moderate plan.
Usually my successful cuts are a bit more extreme. The only diets I’ve really had much luck with in the past are PSMF-esque diets (not strict PSMF, but no carb and fat probably 60g a day or so) or cyclical keto diets. They strip the fat right off of me, but my energy levels are horrible, and I’m borderline homicidal until I get into ketosis (i.e. for a cyclica keto diet, if my refeed was Saturday, I’d been foggy and irritable until probably Tuesday. Low carb fog does not make Mondays any more fun). My workouts are a combination of decent days and horrible days (occasionally I’ll be strong, but I can never handle much volume), and I’ll lose some muscle. I don’t worry about the muscle loss much because of good ol’ myonuclear domain theory (more on that later).
More moderate cuts I’ve attempted haven’t worked because I didn’t have a definite plan. With cyclical keto or PSMF, you know exactly what you can or can’t eat every day. When I tried more gradual approaches, I never had a solid plan. It was basically just the idea that I’d eat a little less to get the weight loss started, and eat less from there as needed. I’d always fall off the horse somewhere and fail because I could never get myself to actually make a plan (with measuring my food and whatnot) and stick to it.
This time around is different because I have a definite approach. I’ve already blogged about it, so I won’t go into a ton of detail, but simply scheduling a refeed at every 1-2 pounds lost has been great for me. It lets me be as extreme as I need to be to lose that pound or two, while still allowing me to get in some good training because the refeeds happen regularly enough. Additionally, if I want to take my time between a 1-2 pound increment and use a more moderate approach, I can manage a pound or two of weight loss before falling off the horse.
Nothing revolutionary, but I just wanted to reiterate this approach because it’s working so well for me.
Now as to why I don’t worry about losing muscle while dieting…
For starters, I’m not a bodybuilder. At the end of my diet, I don’t need to be as big as possible. I just want to lose as much fat as possible. “But Greg,” I hear you crying, “you may work a year to gain 3-5 pounds of muscle. Isn’t it so horrible to throw it all away?” Nope, not really. Google “myonuclear domain theory” for a more in depth explanation, but here’s a brief synopsis of why losing some muscle while you’re dieting doesn’t really matter (unless you’re prepping for a bodybuilding show, of course).
Your muscles are composed of muscle fibers. Each fiber is a single cell. These cells have multiple nuclei (not just one like most cells of your body). Each myonucleus (nucleus of a muscle fiber) can only support a specific amount of sarcoplasm (the stuff inside a muscle fiber) via coding for the necessary proteins etc. To make a muscle bigger, satellite cells (cells floating around your muscle fibers) donate their nucleus to the muscle fiber. That extra nucleus can support a bit of extra sarcoplasm. Congratulations, your muscle just grew.
When you gain muscle mass, you are gaining myonuclei for your muscle fibers to support the extra sarcoplasm in each fiber. When you restrict calories and lose muscle, the amount of myonuclei basically remains constant (unless you’re essentially under famine conditions). You can catabolize fibers themselves if you literally starve yourself, but otherwise you don’t really lose myonuclei.
This makes sense, really. You DID work hard for that extra muscle mass. Your body doesn’t want to throw it away and have to work just as hard to get it back (i.e. what would have happened every winter until about 50 years ago).
Have you ever trained for a few years, taken time off, then got back in the gym and got most of your old gains (muscle and strength) back in a matter of months? No, it’s not because you worked THAT hard and you’re THAT smart. It’s because you still have the vast majority of the myonuclei you gained from when you were training previously.
Also, you know that guy who used to be on a ton of juice, then he came off, but he’s still huge? Yep, he still has most of the myonuclei that fused onto his muscle fibers when he was on the sauce.
Anyway, to bring it back around, it doesn’t matter a ton if you lose a few pounds of muscle when you’re dieting. It’s only temporary. Once you bring your calories back up to maintenance again, that muscle will come right back in a hurry. You don’t have to “earn” it all over again. That being said, you don’t want to lose a ton of muscle because lean mass is the main predictor if metabolic rate, but if you lose some, it’s not something freak out about. Additionally, the fear of losing lean mass is DEFINITELY not a reason to put off dieting if you have a lot of fat you need to lose.
http://gregnuckols.com/2013/07/08/a-bit-of-everything/
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Noone,
When u talk about having a maintenance meal every forth day,
How do i know/count my maintenance calories? And wouldnt that change overtime if i have been dieting
for some time?
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have you tried it our way? no, you haven't.
I have tried low carb diets , they don't agree with me, I get hypoglycaemic, it has been suggested that I may have issues with blood sugar but I don't know.
feel free to live in ignorance with your archaic methods. just don't try to sell others the same bullshit on my dime, sunshine. some people want to learn and better themselves here. your not one of them.
All you are doing is telling people what you believe to be right at the moment, two years ago you thought carbs were important, in another two years it may be something else.
Youre right, this diet will work if you stick to it, as will any other diet retricting calories.
Stop being so defensive and aggressive when someone posts a contrary opinion, its just their opinion, just like this diet is your and gals opinion.
Yes, its your opinion based on the fact it works for you, I dieted on around 60% carbs and still lost weight, I do now, it works for me.
And if bashing my physique works for you go for it, other people here have seen my pictures and disagree with your opinion, Im sorry I couldnt come up to your lofty expectations.
You don't need to attach screenshots, I wont be deleting posts, oh and posting PMs on an open board is a little low as well, not many would stoop that low to prove a point.
I did send you the pm didn't I? ;)
Its called trolling ;D
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you just asume 2500-3000 calories.
thats on the safe side.
yes it does change overtime.
if you get to 5% or even less, things change alot.
down to 10%, maintenance meal isnt even necesary,its rather to hold through mentaly and to have something to look forward, then 10-6% theyre kinda needed, after that, theyre absolutely needed.
see it this way at your leanest that meals is kinda like new onset to get even lower in bodyfat.
Thanks for the reply gal. Another question, since we are all different and the frequency of those meals
might differ for each individual sub 6%, what are the physical signs to have that meal? I can withstand
all the hunger pains and can really push myself but about a week back i had a massive crash to my body,
I could hardly feel a pump regardless how hard i squeeze and i was like a walking zombie. I reckon i was
Pushing it too far?
Some of us have the more is better mentality whereby in this case the longer i can withstand not having
that meal the better. Also i was kinda chasing the weight scale, i got stucked at a certain body weight and
It just wont go down any further. Was already consuming about 800cals, weight training 6-7times a week and was doing cardio. Lol
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You ever think of entering a show?
that sounds like you were at the right point of big meal, that describes quite precisely the feeling.
however, you could have tried to take one day off the gym and just slightly increase calsm by adding 500shit calries that day, this helps at times, but sometimes it doesnt and then its tie for new,lets call it onset.
the big meal makes everything come to a halt, but best to be seen as new onset.helps mentaly.
sometimes a day off is required, sometimes the meal is required, sometimes,its both, must play around and find for yourself.
as for the bodyweight, i dont ever even weigh myself.
i do all forthnight mayhbe out of curiousity, but its too rsndom to even bother.sometimes i "seemingly" hold water for kinda no reason, ofc thisd show on the scale, it certainly shows in the mirror haha, but i dont care and just carry on.
in the 5%s 1 weekly could be a bit too little btw.
the good thing, with no competiton deadline, one can play around and even drawbacks dont matter, no need to panic about a single thing.
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ukjeff, what is your current dosage per week?
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ukjeff, what is your current dosage per week?
I don't discuss anything in relation to personal steroid usage/non usage.
It just causes circular arguments.
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Carbs are very important in any bodybuilders diet, they act as "protein sparers" to allow your body to better utilise the protein you take in, without carbs your body will breakdown the protein and use it for energy as opposed to building and repairing muscle tissue.
I thank you. ;)
What if I eat a few nuts and some vegetables will that be a "protein sparer"?
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I don't discuss anything in relation to personal steroid usage/non usage.
It just causes circular arguments.
you said you were clean and took nothing now
for personal reasons
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maybe that kind in shorts.
;D
some pro in the gym told me i should, bc they dont care about legs there :D
my legs are ok, by no means small, but not enough to go heavyweight, and due to my tallness, id have to enter heavyweight andlook like broomstick compared to the other guys haha.
my rolemodelbbuilder entered the olympia once and he reported that kevin levrone couldnt help but laugh at him and making this arogant tone"pfffft"
;D
i wouldnt do that to myself.
im good 20-30lbs of pure muscle away from getting onstage in heavies without looking like idiot up there.that or couple coumpounds and gh and whatnot.
Have you posted pics of your legs? In the pics I've seen, you look proportioned 8)
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you said you were clean and took nothing now
for personal reasons
PM sent
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Weirdest thing this diet. After weeks of starving, if you up your protein to 1.5-2x bodyweight and increase calories slightly you will start gaining muscle mass rapidly. Don't worry about strength loss btw which you will encounter the first week or two. I tested some of my strength benchmarks recently even though I was not carbed up at all. My strength numbers either stayed the same or went up slightly. I believe when lifting in caloris deficit, as long as you decrease the weight but keep the volume the same the strength level should remain the same if you decide to test it every two weeks or so. Obviously a high caloric deficit diet you will have to decrease the weights lifted anyways, you will not have a choice during the first week or two while your body adapts.
I had steaks on Thursday and Friday. Besides that very clean, vegies and chicken, boiled eggs. My biggest diet cheat so far has been peanut butter. Peanut butter tastes amazing when you are starving everyday. I also more chicken then usual because I upped my lifting amount as well as my "protein dough". I feel leaner and less bf to visual inspection but weight has gone up, along with water weight obviously.
Way too much protein, need to take a shit bad.
VEY TRUE. Five years ago I didn;t even know bout squats or deads and my primary leg workout was running.
Bydt ostorojen ne podarvi zdarovye
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What if I eat a few nuts and some vegetables will that be a "protein sparer"?
lol exactly. this guy is such a fucking tool dude. biggest joke on this site.
thinks he's so clever, meanwhile all he does is further prove his ignorance everytime he opens his mouth. f he was as intelligent as he'd like to 'believe' he is he'd look at that post with his antiquated 80's way of thinking and maybe he'd come to the conclusion that, hey wait a minute, maybe my whole approach is wrong. maybe it's the whole fucking system that's wrong instead of thd small piece he's laying the blame on- oh I NEED carbs- why the FUCK do you need carbs? what are you DOING that's causing your body to react like this? maybe it's not the carbs you need but something else you need to change.
the guy is almost too stupid to be for real.
carbs are protein sparing he says hahahaha what a fucking clown. what are you doing wrong that causes your body to not utilize it's protein efficiently. hmm. I dunno. but I'll just add MORE carbs and MORE calories and that should fix it. :D
holy fuck what a retard.
I'd like to thank 'ukbeth' for being such a great example of what not to do, and why traditional approaches like his to dieting are inefficient and ineffective and in that scope, actually assisting us in selling even more books. lol fuck that's gotta burn eh, sparky? :D
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Make sure you guys place the disclaimer of high protein diet and kidney disease....that's a big no no for those folks. And with steroids being a huge factor in BB kidney issues are abound.
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Make sure you guys place the disclaimer of high protein diet and kidney disease....that's a big no no for those folks. And with steroids being a huge factor in BB kidney issues are abound.
A good indicator of kidney health is urine color and stream, also water retention for no reason.
Not that anyone should play doctor and assume they are "fine"..but if your piss is clear, or clear-ish, and not very cloudy and orange-tinged.... And you have a good normal piss frequency , your kidneys are more than likely alright.
I
I got hit with a kidney infection about a decade ago, and you fucking know it when something is up with your kidneys. I was pissing orange and in agony within 2 days and flew to the ER when i woke up the second day and shit wasn't any better.
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Make sure you guys place the disclaimer of high protein diet and kidney disease....that's a big no no for those folks. And with steroids being a huge factor in BB kidney issues are abound.
this diet is written expressly for entertainment purposes only and one should always contact their health care provider before setting out on a course of exercise and weight loss.
cheers.
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this diet is written expressly for entertainment purposes only and one should always contact their health care provider before setting out on a course of exercise and weight loss.
cheers.
:D,,way to cover your ass ,,like a jug of cell-tech if you are diabetic,breast feeding,expectant mother,lactating from man boobs please consult your physician...
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Carbs are very important in any bodybuilders diet, they act as "protein sparers" to allow your body to better utilise the protein you take in, without carbs your body will breakdown the protein and use it for energy as opposed to building and repairing muscle tissue.
I thank you. ;)
he never mentioned that this diet is for a bber on hgh and insulin. read the bold at the bottom, perhaps what no one is "onto" might be accurate.
Low-carb protein diet causes muscles to grow without training
If you go over from a standard Western diet to a low-carb protein diet your muscles grow. Sports scientists at the University of Michigan discovered this when they did an experiment with 8 young men and women. And interestingly, the subjects did no weight training.
Insulin, textbooks continue to tell us, is an important anabolic hormone. Because your insulin level rises if you eat carbohydrates – the insulin level reacts less to glucose fed intravenously – scientists believed until recently that a low-carb diet reduces muscle mass. Empirical evidence and studies by anthropologists and archaeologists, however, indicate that the reverse is true.
That’s why these researchers decided to do an experiment in which 4 men and an equal number of women, average age 29, exchanged their standard diet for a low-carb protein diet for a week. The figures: the subjects’ diet before starting consisted of 60 percent carbs, 30 percent fat and 10 percent protein [Before diet]. They replaced this with a diet consisting of 35 percent protein, 60 percent fat and only 5 percent carbohydrates.
The figure below shows that the diet caused a drastic lowering of the subjects’ insulin level. You’ll notice how the insulin level peaked after the 3 main meals in the ‘Before diet’, but that on the low-carb protein diet the peaks have almost disappeared.
The manufacture of growth hormone decreased but the decline was not statistically significant. The same is true for the concentration of IGF-1 in the bloodstream. Most of the IGF-1 found in the bloodstream comes from the liver cutting up growth hormone into smaller pieces.
You’d expect muscle mass to decline, but this didn’t happen. The researchers extracted cells from the vastus lateralis leg muscle and recorded the muscle tissue growth. This actually increased after the subjects went over to the low-carb diet.
The protein diet had increased the activity of anabolic signal molecules in the muscle cells. The most noticeable effect was that the muscle cells started to produce more IGF-1. This is different IGF-1 to that found in the bloodstream.
Ok, but insulin is an anabolic hormone. But the increased activity of anabolic mechanisms in the muscle cells as a result of a low-carb protein diet outweighs the disappearance of insulin. "Increasing dietary protein content during a carbohydrate restricted diet may be important for preventing or attenuating a net loss of body protein", the researchers conclude.
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SCIENCE BOMB DROPPED,,,,,,SHUT DOWN SON
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i had a friend come up to me in the gym today who i gave the system to to try and he looks at me and says 'this is ridiculous. its doing exactly what you said it would. i cant believe it.'
he couldnt believe it cause hes an experienced competitor and from everything he knows, its not 'supposed' to work. in fact when i first broke it down for him he was looking at me like i had three heads. i had to keep repeating 'you just have to trust me bro'. lol
so, im glad to see your results are the same as what everyone is experiencing. its working the same way for everyone. natural. enhanced. competitive. recreational. its not even a question in our minds to put our integrity behind this diet.
we want to hear these updates. not just the positive ones but even if there are negative ones. cause then we can help that person figure out where in the system they have gone wrong, and then someone else reading it will maybe see it and think ' oh ya, thats happening to me too. i'll try that'.
question: when do you train in the am or night time after work?
after work, generally between 7-9 pm.
another thing i forgot to mention, my blood pressure has been great the last two times i measured it... 113/78, pulse 59 bpm and 122/70, pulse 50 bpm. not sure if this diet has anything to do with it, but hypertension runs in my family and i usually register about 140/80. i also stopped running entirely and just burn 500 kcal (allegedly) on the ergometer 2-3 times a week. it's a lot easier on my joints.
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he never mentioned that this diet is for a bber on hgh and insulin. read the bold at the bottom, perhaps what no one is "onto" might be accurate.
Low-carb protein diet causes muscles to grow without training
If you go over from a standard Western diet to a low-carb protein diet your muscles grow. Sports scientists at the University of Michigan discovered this when they did an experiment with 8 young men and women. And interestingly, the subjects did no weight training.
Insulin, textbooks continue to tell us, is an important anabolic hormone. Because your insulin level rises if you eat carbohydrates – the insulin level reacts less to glucose fed intravenously – scientists believed until recently that a low-carb diet reduces muscle mass. Empirical evidence and studies by anthropologists and archaeologists, however, indicate that the reverse is true.
That’s why these researchers decided to do an experiment in which 4 men and an equal number of women, average age 29, exchanged their standard diet for a low-carb protein diet for a week. The figures: the subjects’ diet before starting consisted of 60 percent carbs, 30 percent fat and 10 percent protein [Before diet]. They replaced this with a diet consisting of 35 percent protein, 60 percent fat and only 5 percent carbohydrates.
The figure below shows that the diet caused a drastic lowering of the subjects’ insulin level. You’ll notice how the insulin level peaked after the 3 main meals in the ‘Before diet’, but that on the low-carb protein diet the peaks have almost disappeared.
The manufacture of growth hormone decreased but the decline was not statistically significant. The same is true for the concentration of IGF-1 in the bloodstream. Most of the IGF-1 found in the bloodstream comes from the liver cutting up growth hormone into smaller pieces.
You’d expect muscle mass to decline, but this didn’t happen. The researchers extracted cells from the vastus lateralis leg muscle and recorded the muscle tissue growth. This actually increased after the subjects went over to the low-carb diet.
The protein diet had increased the activity of anabolic signal molecules in the muscle cells. The most noticeable effect was that the muscle cells started to produce more IGF-1. This is different IGF-1 to that found in the bloodstream.
Ok, but insulin is an anabolic hormone. But the increased activity of anabolic mechanisms in the muscle cells as a result of a low-carb protein diet outweighs the disappearance of insulin. "Increasing dietary protein content during a carbohydrate restricted diet may be important for preventing or attenuating a net loss of body protein", the researchers conclude.
Chronically elevated insulin is in no way helpful. Sugar in the blood stream is toxic. It suppresses GH production.
Stop elevated blood insulin and glucose concentrations, up GH secretion or at least stop suppressing.
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Didn't Onetimehard first suggest this diet, or something very similar about 6 months ago?
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lol exactly. this guy is such a fucking tool dude. biggest joke on this site.
thinks he's so clever, meanwhile all he does is further prove his ignorance everytime he opens his mouth. f he was as intelligent as he'd like to 'believe' he is he'd look at that post with his antiquated 80's way of thinking and maybe he'd come to the conclusion that, hey wait a minute, maybe my whole approach is wrong. maybe it's the whole fucking system that's wrong instead of thd small piece he's laying the blame on- oh I NEED carbs- why the FUCK do you need carbs? what are you DOING that's causing your body to react like this? maybe it's not the carbs you need but something else you need to change.
the guy is almost too stupid to be for real.
carbs are protein sparing he says hahahaha what a fucking clown. what are you doing wrong that causes your body to not utilize it's protein efficiently. hmm. I dunno. but I'll just add MORE carbs and MORE calories and that should fix it. :D
holy fuck what a retard.
I'd like to thank 'ukbeth' for being such a great example of what not to do, and why traditional approaches like his to dieting are inefficient and ineffective and in that scope, actually assisting us in selling even more books. lol fuck that's gotta burn eh, sparky? :D
Oh, and your constatnt obsession to get one over on me is making you crazy, take a chill pill and relax.
I was only ever trolling you, dont take it serious.
Anything I write on this forum should be taken with a "pinch of salt"*
PS thats my little disclaimer. ;)
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Didn't Onetimehard first suggest this diet, or something very similar about 6 months ago?
Yup and it is still the best diet thread ever written on getbig to date ;)
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Indeed. It's also true that UKjizz launched a troll offensive in that thread as well; maybe he's really adverse to low/no carb diets!
UkJeff is adverse to being mature.
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Indeed. It's also true that UKjizz launched a troll offensive in that thread as well; maybe he's really adverse to low/no carb diets!
The problem here is simple mathematics.
Carbs are not essential for muscle.
1.You do not need them for building muscle,
2. you do not need them for keeping muscle
so simple mathematics means skipping carbs = more calories in the deficit for you to take to the bank.
There is no easier explanation then the one I just gave.
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The problem here is simple mathematics.
Carbs are not essential for muscle.
1.You do not need them for building muscle,
2. you do not need them for keeping muscle
so simple mathematics means skipping carbs = more calories in the deficit for you to take to the bank.
There is no easier explanation then the one I just gave.
It's very simple isn't it!
If I had to tell a very idiotic person like Jason Genova how to diet, if he'd never attempted it before I'd sell him the following one line book for $20:
Eat 500 kcal less a day than usual. No carbs apart from vegetables. Rest of calories must be protein with some fats.
If you don't get ripped in 12 weeks, you cheated/lied/can't add up.
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It's very simple isn't it!
If I had to tell a very idiotic person like Jason Genova how to diet, if he'd never attempted it before I'd sell him the following one line book for $20:
Eat 500 kcal less a day than usual. No carbs apart from vegetables. Rest of calories must be protein with some fats.
If you don't get ripped in 12 weeks, you cheated/lied/can't add up.
Exactly, personally I don`t even count calories because eating 5lb of chicken breast is still way under my daily caloric intake, as 5lb is just slightly over 2000 calories and I would never eat 5lb of chicken breast in a day, no matter if I tried anyway, I just wouldn`t.
So I just eat as much chicken breast as possible and get shredded and get striated glutes. Thats it there is you diet right here, this is no rocket science, its a laughing joke to complicate things.
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The problem here is simple mathematics.
Carbs are not essential for muscle.
1.You do not need them for building muscle,
2. you do not need them for keeping muscle
so simple mathematics means skipping carbs = more calories in the deficit for you to take to the bank.
There is no easier explanation then the one I just gave.
Yes, I seem to recall the proof for this being established by Peano (or was it Dedekind?) early in his career.
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Yes, this was proved by Peano (or was it Dedekind) early in his career.
Eating carbs is simply paying for the same real estate twice because now you have to get rid of the calories, when they did not even have to be there to begin with
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Eating carbs is simply paying for the same real estate twice because now you have to get rid of the calories, when they did not even have to be there to begin with
Nice line.
How about this;
Carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient in the bodybuilding diet. They are however, a fashionable way to eat calories, for use as an energy source.
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Nice line.
How about this;
Carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient in the bodybuilding diet. They are however, a fashionable way to eat calories, for use as an energy source.
Yes very true, 100% agree but will add this, the energy source from carbs can easily be artificially duplicated or even surpassed by alternatives..
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Yes very true, 100% agree but will add this, the energy source from carbs can easily be artificially duplicated or even surpassed by alternatives..
I'm with you there aswell, hence why I said carbs are a 'fashionable way' to get energy...what's in fashion, is almost always not the best way to do things 8)
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I'm with you there aswell, hence why I said carbs are a 'fashionable way' to get energy...what's in fashion, is almost always not the best way to do things 8)
8) Noted
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8) Noted
Although I might add, that I am currently adding a few fashionable Mcflurry's to supplement my current energy sources haha ;D
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carbs though non essential are liberally sprinkled on all the food I like best
that is all >:(
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carbs though non essential are liberally sprinkled on all the food I like best
that is all >:(
Yes, Greggs the bakers have clearly been disregarding certain threads on getbig lately. >:( >:( >:(
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Yes, Greggs the bakers have clearly been disregarding certain threads on getbig lately. >:( >:( >:(
whats your poison their steak slice is my weapon of choice
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Indeed. It's also true that UKjizz launched a troll offensive in that thread as well; maybe he's really adverse to low/no carb diets!
I own a cake shop. ;)
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Exactly, personally I don`t even count calories because eating 5lb of chicken breast is still way under my daily caloric intake, as 5lb is just slightly over 2000 calories and I would never eat 5lb of chicken breast in a day, no matter if I tried anyway, I just wouldn`t.
So I just eat as much chicken breast as possible and get shredded and get striated glutes. Thats it there is you diet right here, this is no rocket science, its a laughing joke to complicate things.
Are you writing a book about it?
Oh , wait, you just did it in your post.
Nice one.
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Are you writing a book about it?
Oh , wait, you just did it in your post.
Nice one.
ukjeff, are you suggesting that when my 3 year old son does a shit in the toilet and shouts "Daddy, wipe my bum please!!!", there is no need for me to charge him $20 to give him the toilet paper, as it's already there on the roll?
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uk jeff slowly being incorporated into the big cyp big mc tag team in this thread
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uk jeff slowly being incorporated into the big cyp big mc tag team in this thread
Hahaha yes bigmc, he'll name to change the name though and buy an Audi Black - maybe 'bigwhiner' or 'bigvagina'?
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I own a cake shop. ;)
Yes, that would explain your obvious penchant for lovingly squeezing white gooy "cream" out of tube-like objects, ukjizz.
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Yes, that would explain your obvious penchant for lovingly squeezing white gooy "cream" out of tube-like objects, ukjizz. ;D
Are you suggesting that ukjeff bakes his gingerbread men with a massive cock on them, and bites each one off ceremoniously before putting them in the shop window?
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uk jeff slowly being incorporated into the big cyp big mc tag team in this thread
nothing like inviting the boys to a little 3 way to start your morning, eh gaymc?
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Maybe I should bump OTHs diet thread, it would be good to compare the two, you never know OTH maybe entitled to some royalties. ;)
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Maybe I should bump OTHs diet thread, it would be good to compare the two, you never know OTH maybe entitled to some royalties. ;)
Are you sure you have enough time between batches of bread, to make useless posts in both threads bro?
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Are you sure you have enough time between batches of bread, to make useless posts in both threads bro?
I have lots of time at the moment, the doughs in the proofer.
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I have lots of time at the moment, the doughs in the proofer.
Is that what you 'lot' call it, oh brother ;D
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ukjeff, are you suggesting that when my 3 year old son does a shit in the toilet and shouts "Daddy, wipe my bum please!!!", there is no need for me to charge him $20 to give him the toilet paper, as it's already there on the roll?
haha excellent
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And after a short commercial break...we return to our show ;D
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nothing like inviting the boys to a little 3 way to start your morning, eh gaymc?
sounds like you are projecting loves come
maybe you should stick to 3000 word posts explaining why you dont give a shit :-*
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sounds like you are projecting loves come
maybe you should stick to 3000 word posts explaining why you dont give a shit :-*
If ukjeff was on death row, his last words would add another day to his life.
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Is that what you 'lot' call it, oh brother ;D
hahahaha :D
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sounds like you are projecting loves come
maybe you should stick to 3000 word posts explaining why you dont give a shit :-*
aw don't get mad at me for pointing out your closets getting full and maybe you think it's time step out and try on a new dress.
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Are you suggesting that ukjeff bakes his gingerbread men with a massive cock on them, and bites each one off ceremoniously before putting them in the shop window?
Hahah, what I'm saying is that after haughtily baking a gingerbread house whilst prancing about in his sparkled Martha Stewart apron, ukjocklicker girds his loins, pops a cialis, and browses the shop, encouraging customers to open the door to the house suspiciously suspended at waist level and discover what the witch has in store for them.
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(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgbUg2KmcJmr37FW5HLwccw7PrNTIrASolPulDpZwRvpu7lUO3)
who says carbs are bad?
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who says carbs are bad?
Even though it's shaped like a penis, i would still eat it. Looks delicious.
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lol people are only just realizing you dont need carbs as a bodybuilder? Vince gironda was saying this like 4 decades ago..
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aw don't get mad at me for pointing out your closets getting full and maybe you think it's time step out and try on a new dress.
i aint mad bro
seems like you are the one leaping out the closet like liberace :-*
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I'm 31 now and just started going to see my doctor regularly. He gets blood almost every time I go. In our 20s we can do whatever but in the 30s you need to do some preventative maintenance. Even naturals like myself should go but especially enhanced bodybuilders. This is why I worry so much about cswol, I just hope he has a good PCP he sees regularly to monitor BP, blood and general health.
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A good indicator of kidney health is urine color and stream, also water retention for no reason.
Not that anyone should play doctor and assume they are "fine"..but if your piss is clear, or clear-ish, and not very cloudy and orange-tinged.... And you have a good normal piss frequency , your kidneys are more than likely alright.
I
I got hit with a kidney infection about a decade ago, and you fucking know it when something is up with your kidneys. I was pissing orange and in agony within 2 days and flew to the ER when i woke up the second day and shit wasn't any better.
You must have ignored the infection for a long time before you finally went to the ER. Although I've never had a kidney infection that I know of, I did have a bout with bladder infections many years ago. The prescription would clear it up for a week and then it would be back again. Finally the doctor scoped my bladder and found a tumor which he removed. Since then, no more bladder infections.
Urine color is not an absolute indicator of something major being wrong. Too much coffee and too little water will result in dark yellow urine.
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this diet is written expressly for entertainment purposes only and one should always contact their health care provider before setting out on a course of exercise and weight loss.
cheers.
Good disclaimer.
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there is one thing about gear users, and their blood panels, theyre all fine and good while on,except red blood cells, creatinine and liver values(if they dont know how to make that parameter come out low), but when they go off, everythings off.
i dont knwo what that means, maybe after long time usage a body is used to the ped enviroment and actually needs it.
now ofc if one disregards diet on ped and walks around with major water retention all year, then theyre askign for it.
i dont want to get scientifical, but damn its known to what else water retention leads.
Very good post gal, I actually could not agree more with your comment outlined
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this diet is written expressly for entertainment purposes only and one should always contact their health care provider before setting out on a course of exercise and weight loss.
cheers.
haha
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he never mentioned that this diet is for a bber on hgh and insulin. read the bold at the bottom, perhaps what no one is "onto" might be accurate.
Low-carb protein diet causes muscles to grow without training
If you go over from a standard Western diet to a low-carb protein diet your muscles grow. Sports scientists at the University of Michigan discovered this when they did an experiment with 8 young men and women. And interestingly, the subjects did no weight training.
Insulin, textbooks continue to tell us, is an important anabolic hormone. Because your insulin level rises if you eat carbohydrates – the insulin level reacts less to glucose fed intravenously – scientists believed until recently that a low-carb diet reduces muscle mass. Empirical evidence and studies by anthropologists and archaeologists, however, indicate that the reverse is true.
That’s why these researchers decided to do an experiment in which 4 men and an equal number of women, average age 29, exchanged their standard diet for a low-carb protein diet for a week. The figures: the subjects’ diet before starting consisted of 60 percent carbs, 30 percent fat and 10 percent protein [Before diet]. They replaced this with a diet consisting of 35 percent protein, 60 percent fat and only 5 percent carbohydrates.
The figure below shows that the diet caused a drastic lowering of the subjects’ insulin level. You’ll notice how the insulin level peaked after the 3 main meals in the ‘Before diet’, but that on the low-carb protein diet the peaks have almost disappeared.
The manufacture of growth hormone decreased but the decline was not statistically significant. The same is true for the concentration of IGF-1 in the bloodstream. Most of the IGF-1 found in the bloodstream comes from the liver cutting up growth hormone into smaller pieces.
You’d expect muscle mass to decline, but this didn’t happen. The researchers extracted cells from the vastus lateralis leg muscle and recorded the muscle tissue growth. This actually increased after the subjects went over to the low-carb diet.
The protein diet had increased the activity of anabolic signal molecules in the muscle cells. The most noticeable effect was that the muscle cells started to produce more IGF-1. This is different IGF-1 to that found in the bloodstream.
Ok, but insulin is an anabolic hormone. But the increased activity of anabolic mechanisms in the muscle cells as a result of a low-carb protein diet outweighs the disappearance of insulin. "Increasing dietary protein content during a carbohydrate restricted diet may be important for preventing or attenuating a net loss of body protein", the researchers conclude.
"35 percent protein, 60 percent fat and only 5 percent carbohydrates."
What kind of fats would one add for bb purposes? Especially at a ratio anywhere higher than 50% of total daily dietary intake.
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there is one thing about gear users, and their blood panels, theyre all fine and good while on,except red blood cells, creatinine and liver values(if they dont know how to make that parameter come out low), but when they go off, everythings off.
i dont knwo what that means, maybe after long time usage a body is used to the ped enviroment and actually needs it.
now ofc if one disregards diet on ped and walks around with major water retention all year, then theyre askign for it.
i dont want to get scientifical, but damn its known to what else water retention leads.
For red blood cells - donating a pint of blood of every 3-6 months helps. Really watch this ratio while on Eq.
creatinine - to keep them in check watch supplemental creatine monohydrate intake. Generally the more muscular one is - the higher this # is. This latter fact was confirmed in a thorough analysis by a hepatologist when i ran into the problem last year.
Liver values - this fact cannot be overstated since many users mess around with alcohol (and recreational drugs) as if they're life depended on it every friday and saturday -- without which they would tip over. There is more to life then getting drunk. Choose one or the other.
"i dont knwo what that means, maybe after long time usage a body is used to the ped enviroment and actually needs it."
I disagree with this - homeostasis takes a little big longer following cessation of ped. Did a cycle for 10 months - full recovery took 7 weeks. Thereafter, everything normalized. Highest dosages 1500mg per week total with orals thrown in twice at 20-30mg dbol ed for 6-8wks.
Agree on the water retention - i have seen a few walking time bombs. We have our very own here.
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A good indicator of kidney health is urine color and stream, also water retention for no reason.
Not that anyone should play doctor and assume they are "fine"..but if your piss is clear, or clear-ish, and not very cloudy and orange-tinged.... And you have a good normal piss frequency , your kidneys are more than likely alright.
I
I got hit with a kidney infection about a decade ago, and you fucking know it when something is up with your kidneys. I was pissing orange and in agony within 2 days and flew to the ER when i woke up the second day and shit wasn't any better.
Anything to do with long term tren usage? I believe you said 300mg Tren A weekly.
After about 8 weeks on Tren E - i start getting this pain in scrotum where i have to stop it. You also feel that pain while peeing from time to time. The longer you're own - the more you feel it.
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Anything to do with long term tren usage? I believe you said 300mg Tren A weekly.
After about 8 weeks on Tren E - i start getting this pain in scrotum where i have to stop it. You also feel that pain while peeing from time to time. The longer you're own - the more you feel it.
are you using Ephedrine, pseudoeph or any type of pre workout that might contain a legal amphetamine analog/substitute?
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Are you suggesting that ukjeff bakes his gingerbread men with a massive cock on them, and bites each one off ceremoniously before putting them in the shop window?
If ukjeff was on death row, his last words would add another day to his life.
ROFLMAO
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so why then do most people crave carbs if they are simply not needed? Nobody craves flax seed oil, nobody craves boiled chicken breast...
if you listen to your body it will always tell you to eat carbs. Those that dont fight the natural urge and then call it a "diet" in which they have to "suffer" to lose weight.
??? ???Just honestly asking here... not trying to argue.
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-when hunger comes(dont confuse hunger with apetite, hunger is when stomach is empty and feels like itll implode,apetite is when a disgusting fatso swine feels like eating again).wait out the next meal as long as possible.fight the hunger attacks with water, diet coke, brushing teeth, chewing on coffee beans(very disgusting but great apetite anihilator),cigaretes,whatever.
This is an excellent thread, I'm buying the book!!
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Really love this thread.
Dont mean to hijack this thread but I have some questions floating around in my head for quite some
Time now. It would be very educational at least for me if i can have inputs from u guys with real life
Expereience and knowledge, be it bro science or whatever. Alot of times what i realize is people
Parroting (is it even a word lol) what others preach, example carb cycling without knowing the concept
Or idea behind it. I fell into those scenarios many times and i feel kinda dumb when i think back about it.
Thats why i really appreciate what gal and noone is doing as they are explaining and sharing the idea
Behind the diet of theirs.
1) Why do people actually carb cycle? Is it more of a caloric cycling concept? Why not just run a constant
Low calorie diet with lower carbs and have a high carb day instead of low, medium, high, super high days?
We have some pro carb cyclers in this thread, please share ur thoughts.
Im thinking the reason behind it is because of the drugs (insulin) and maybe tren? Some say to get the best
Outta running tren is introducing carbs? Will the idea hold true if you are just running low dose tren and test? I reckon carb cycling is more like having the drugs do the work (which will be very much drug dosage
Dependent) then having more of a 'natural' approach.
2) gal/noone, i was initially running this diet solely on protein for 2 weeks (~1000 calories), and then i switched it up to running 60%fats & 40% protein. Right now im trying around 75% protein 25% carbs (since im on low dose tren) I dont mean to Bastardize the diet, just playing around with it. Have u tried those different combinations and what are
Ur findings? Would be cool if u could be specific.
Hope to learn more from this. Thanks guys!
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i may very well buy the book just to piss gh15 off
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so why then do most people crave carbs if they are simply not needed? Nobody craves flax seed oil, nobody craves boiled chicken breast...
if you listen to your body it will always tell you to eat carbs. Those that dont fight the natural urge and then call it a "diet" in which they have to "suffer" to lose weight.
??? ???Just honestly asking here... not trying to argue.
Not being argumentative either, but left to natural instincts our bodies do crave what they need. Unfortunately, these natural instincts are ruined early on in our lives.
Back when we were hunters and gatherers, we ate what we could find. Times have changed drastically. If we wanted to be as healthy as possible, we'd get in touch with our primordial selves and eat like we did in those days. Of course we'd have to expend the same energy our ancient ancestors did to find food to eat. This means we'd spend most of our waking hours looking for food. Since that is not going to happen anytime soon we need to find ways to adapt to our lives as they are in the healthiest way possible.
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oh no problem, part 1 just forget about all that.
not to sound like an add, but in the book its exactly explained why you can jst do away with even thinking about that.
this bring us to your second question, yes,we both played around with it, and even think its ok to a degree to play around with it.
however, all those changes imo are only any good for one day or so.
how can i say, neither way comes close to what and how we do it.
esp the maintaining , it is incredible with what one gets away if all rules are followed.
but very important, all in your first question is totaly moot point if our way is followed.
you peopl will not be dissapointed :)
as for the tren, you know i heard how ppl said its turning all and any excess calories into muscle just based on them feeling hot from inside after bigger meals and sweating, lol, this happens on all anabolics.
we have special views on peds, youll see, i think its a sane approach.
to follow a conventional diet like pros do is one of the most ridiculous things a gymrat could do.
i think the book is very complete, noone can judge on that, and soon will be the first reviews i guess.
but again, to your second question, to get from 6% to the absolute lowest,its ok to play around with macros a bit.
if all fails, we restart, thats the good thing about being gymrat, theres room for error.
Exactly what I thought, the amount is PEDs ran does dictate
The higher carbs, carb cycling method. Thanks for the feedback bro.
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the body does not crave what it needs. This is plain wrong.
THE BODY CRAVES WHAT IT HAS BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO. In the case of your body craving carbs, YES, of course it does because you have ate them your whole life but it does not mean that it needs them.
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Nobody's really discussed in-depth the effects this diet (or OTH's, for that matter) has on one's cognitive competences -- probably because precious few here possess or utilize any. Can somebody that knows the square root of potato share with us how the diet effects (effected) their ability to think clearly and otherwise do mental work?
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99 pages? Really? lol
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Nobody's really discussed in-depth the effects this diet (or OTH's, for that matter) has on one's cognitive competences -- probably because precious few here possess or utilize any. Can somebody that knows the square root of potato share with us how the diet effects (effected) their ability to think clearly and otherwise do mental work?
I can not speak for no one and gal but my approach includes certain stimulants that makes my brain as sharp as humanly possible. I have a better memory and can calculate and operate as good as ever. keep in mind my diet is a phase and not a life style and my concepts work efficiently to get to low body fat levels in record time but I am the first to admit it is not ideal to continue as life style indefinitely
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Nobody's really discussed in-depth the effects this diet (or OTH's, for that matter) has on one's cognitive competences -- probably because precious few here possess or utilize any. Can somebody that knows the square root of potato share with us how the diet effects (effected) their ability to think clearly and otherwise do mental work?
Thats an interesting point, as far as myself, even with carbs in the diet when you get low enough on calories and get into the fat burning stage the brain does indeed start to stutter, sometimes its hard to even be bothered finishing a sentence you started because the end of it seems too far away.
In my job I simply cannot afford to be like this , I work in a safety related environment and my actions could influence the safety and lives of others, I cant afford to be "spaced out".
Thats why if Im dieting I take it slow over a number of weeks trying to lose around 1lb to 2lb max a week.
I know my body well enough to be able to do that without getting to the satge where Im no use to anyone intelectually.
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Thats an interesting point, as far as myself, even with carbs in the diet when you get low enough on calories and get into the fat burning stage the brain does indeed start to stutter, sometimes its hard to even be bothered finishing a sentence you started because the end of it seems too far away.
In my job I simply cannot afford to be like this , I work in a safety related environment and my actions could influence the safety and lives of others, I cant afford to be "spaced out".
Thats why if Im dieting I take it slow over a number of weeks trying to lose around 1lb to 2lb max a week.
I know my body well enough to be able to do that without getting to the satge where Im no use to anyone intelectually.
You mean your brain does this......
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Nobody's really discussed in-depth the effects this diet (or OTH's, for that matter) has on one's cognitive competences -- probably because precious few here possess or utilize any. Can somebody that knows the square root of potato share with us how the diet effects (effected) their ability to think clearly and otherwise do mental work?
Very high impact. I wouldn't do this if I was during semester, loaded up with math and physics courses.
I think you meant the cube root of a potato, since you didn't ask for mass. Otherwise you can't square something which has the dimensions of m^3.
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I think you meant the cube root of a potato, since you didn't ask for mass. Otherwise you can't square something which has the dimensions of m^3.
I learned that any and all mathematical operations may take place over potato (e.g., counting to potato); are you telling me this isn't so? Or is it just sweet potato?
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oh no problem, part 1 just forget about all that.
not to sound like an add, but in the book its exactly explained why you can jst do away with even thinking about that.
this bring us to your second question, yes,we both played around with it, and even think its ok to a degree to play around with it.
however, all those changes imo are only any good for one day or so.
how can i say, neither way comes close to what and how we do it.
esp the maintaining , it is incredible with what one gets away if all rules are followed.
but very important, all in your first question is totaly moot point if our way is followed.
you peopl will not be dissapointed :)
as for the tren, you know i heard how ppl said its turning all and any excess calories into muscle just based on them feeling hot from inside after bigger meals and sweating, lol, this happens on all anabolics.
we have special views on peds, youll see, i think its a sane approach.
to follow a conventional diet like pros do is one of the most ridiculous things a gymrat could do.
i think the book is very complete, noone can judge on that, and soon will be the first reviews i guess.
but again, to your second question, to get from 6% to the absolute lowest,its ok to play around with macros a bit.
if all fails, we restart, thats the good thing about being gymrat, theres room for error.
ya the book is done. G fwd'd me the last 2 chapters last night.
all that's left is to format it and shit like that.
as for how 'complete' the book is info wise- you WILL by following these principles get into record shape in record time. it is that simple.
my water started to fall off last night. typically it does this 64-72 hours post last big meal. my back which has always been the bane of my existence to get shredded is completely in. the feathers up the erectors etc.
amazing how water sitting subq can add what looks like 1-2% bf to you. that's why guys use the diuretics they use for a show. to get that 1-2% 'leaner'. how about you get as lean as possible. what ever happened to that? it's TOO HARD and takes TOO LONG on conventional diets to get that low. that's why guys don't walk around looking like gal year round. I'll be there in a week or two at the most. that will be 7-8 weeks going from +12% bf to sub5%. and ill maintain it all summer. without fat burners or stims. that's unheard of. that's how powerfully this works.
unlike conventional diets the losses don't decrease the leaner you get. they drop off steadily until you reach the point where your body recognises whatever fat it does have left it needs for function. no increasing cardio. no 'cutting carbs'. no cutting cals. just one system and the same solid progressive results from beginning to end.
we're excited to get this book to you. so you can start your own journey. don't let anyone tell you 'it's wont work' or try to dissuade you. just follow the system to the T and all those who say 'it won't work' will still be 8-10% bf telling everyone about how it 'doesn't work' while you get leaner than you ever thought possible.
that's the difference between us and them. they get there for one day, and become experts on 'what works'. how come none look the part TODAY. cause their systems cannot be maintained. because they are ineffective and inefficient.
one system/ one result for the rest of your life. let the haters hate while you become your best.
thanks for making this thread 100 pages. good luck on your new journey.
cheers
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my idea is this
pick 3 out of shape get biggers
shizzo should be one
get gal and no one to coach them for 12 weeks
take before and after pics
boom there it is
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my idea is this
pick 3 out of shape get biggers
shizzo should be one
get gal and no one to coach them for 12 weeks
take before and after pics
boom there it is
alcohol + low calories diet = disaster
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my idea is this
pick 3 out of shape get biggers
shizzo should be one
get gal and no one to coach them for 12 weeks
take before and after pics
boom there it is
you are assuming shizzo could give up booze for 12 weeks right?
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you are assuming shizzo could give up booze for 12 weeks right?
im hoping he could use it as an incentive
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there is no need for proving anything. Who wants to try will report on progress and results anyway.
We can have another topic related to results in 5-6 weeks time.
No One/Gal, you said once book is complete you'll leave getbig for a while.
If there is a need for clarification or additional questions, how can we get in touch?
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there is no need for proving anything. Who wants to try will report on progress and results anyway.
We can have another topic related to results in 5-6 weeks time.
No One/Gal, you said once book is complete you'll leave getbig for a while.
If there is a need for clarification or additional questions, how can we get in touch?
our emails are in the book if you need to reach us for anything.
also as we 'progress' we keep finding little things, little tweaks, little observations that constantly come up. G and I are constantly exchanging email where we say 'dude so such and such a thing happened today'- limitless things to watch for the might benefit you on way down we can pass along to everyone by email.
also we encourage everyone to give us feedback and tell us what they are experiencing. chances are you might find a tip to kill hunger, an observation or something that might help someone else. this system as complete as it is is not 'static'- it evolves as anything of worth should. it should be adaptable. not rigid, complex and eventually archaic. we are not 'experts'. we are in the trenches just like everyone else. but we've learned from it and passed it on. mistakes and experiences are often the best learning tools.
stuff like this allows us to pass it on to each other rather than needing to release a 2.0 version down the road. it's about all of us working together encouraging each other and bettering each other, just like how gal and I help each other. we're 'there' but we're never 'done'.
cheers.
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Motivation tip - you don't want to look like this with your shirt off.
;)
our emails are in the book if you need to reach us for anything.
also as we 'progress' we keep finding little things, little tweaks, little observations that constantly come up. G and I are constantly exchanging email where we say 'dude so such and such a thing happened today'- limitless things to watch for the might benefit you on way down we can pass along to everyone by email.
also we encourage everyone to give us feedback and tell us what they are experiencing. chances are you might find a tip to kill hunger, an observation or something that might help someone else. this system as complete as it is is not 'static'- it evolves as anything of worth should. it should be adaptable. not rigid, complex and eventually archaic.
stuff like this allows us to pass it on to each other rather than needing to release a 2.0 version down the road. it's about all of us working together encouraging each other and bettering each other, just like how gal and I help each other. we're 'there' but we're never 'done'.
cheers.
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Motivation tip - you don't want to look like this with your shirt off.
;)
certainly not.
what you'll find extremely motivating is not looking good compared to anyone else, but when you get up in the am and you've been the leanest you've ever been that's highly motivating. your not like 'we'll I'm here, now what?'- it actually drives you to see just how much better you can become.
there is nothing more rewarding than being the best you can be. for YOU. I've seen your pics. your close bro keep pushing. in 5 weeks you'll know exactly what Im referring to.
cheers.
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certainly not.
what you'll find extremely motivating is not looking good compared to anyone else, but when you get up in the am and you've been the leanest you've ever been that's highly motivating. your not like 'we'll I'm here, now what?'- it actually drives you to see just how much better you can become.
there is nothing more rewarding than being the best you can be. for YOU. I've seen your pics. your close bro keep pushing. in 5 weeks you'll know exactly what Im referring to.
cheers.
I'm leaner than the last pic right now. But I'm hungry for a cheeseburger and fried
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there is no need for proving anything. Who wants to try will report on progress and results anyway.
We can have another topic related to results in 5-6 weeks time.
No One/Gal, you said once book is complete you'll leave getbig for a while.
If there is a need for clarification or additional questions, how can we get in touch?
Ah , but everyone has been programmed to either report back with success or don't report back at all.
If you report back and say it doesn't work you will just get told "you didnt follow it properly"
Win win situation you see.
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I'm leaner than the last pic right now. But I'm hungry for a cheeseburger and fried
if your having that meal to maintenance of 2500-3000 cals every 4/5 days and it's the dirtiest fattiest sugar laden cals you can eat the toughest day might be the 3/4 day (last day before the big meal) at the end of the cycle. I actually find for myself the longer I can stay in the hole (run the deficit) the less I want the meal. the body adapters remarkably to whatever stresses you put it under. all that you need to defeat is your mind.
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G and I have said it a million times but it bears repeating for everyone following and doing this at home.
try to hold your fasted states as long as you can. not just after your big meal on the night of the 4/5day (typically you want to hit 24 hrs fasted w one workout in here) but after EVERY workout. hold your fast for hours if you can. you don't 'need' to eat here. there is no 'magic window'.
the longer you can hold these fasted states pre and post workout the better your fat loss will be.
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who would have thought that the anabolic window was a marketing scam ???
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the longer you can hold these fasted states pre and post workout the better your fat loss will be.
So, the longer you go without food the more fat you will lose, gotcha.
Wow this really is groundbreaking stuff.
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How long after physical activity does the body stay in elevated fat loss mode?
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So, the longer you go without food the more fat you will lose, gotcha.
Wow this really is groundbreaking stuff.
It's mindblowing info isn't it!!!
I was just about to eat some lunch before I read that post, now i'm wondering whether if I skip this meal - i'll eat less calories?
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How long after physical activity does the body stay in elevated fat loss mode?
twice as long as from the middle to one end.
Oops , sorry I thought you wanted to know how long a piece of string was.
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It's mindblowing info isn't it!!!
I was just about to eat some lunch before I read that post, now i'm wondering whether if I skip this meal - i'll eat less calories?
It cant be right , surely it cant be so simple.
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Diet directions in fortune cookie format......:
Confucius says he who don't eat, take PEDs, works out....takes PEDs, still don't eat. Will be lean. ;D
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How long after physical activity does the body stay in elevated fat loss mode?
it's not so much the physical activity that creates an 'elevated fat loss mode' or else you could eat immediately post workout and achieve the same results as fasting.
what we want to do is avoid eating (insulin release) as insulin release inhibits lipolysis (fat mobilisation).
:)
cheers.
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it's not so much the physical activity that creates an 'elevated fat loss mode' or else you could eat immediately post workout and achieve the same results as fasting.
what we want to do is avoid eating (insulin release) as insulin release inhibits lipolysis (fat mobilisation).
:)
cheers.
any views on the use of insulin-lowering medication such as glucophage? For the diabetics among us...
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Metformin....cheap and plentiful
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Oh yea, how about intra workout bcaa/eaa, carb free of course. I take them for the taste lol
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Oh yea, how about intra workout bcaa/eaa, carb free of course. I take them for the taste lol
no one is big on extend bcaa'a dynamatize drink ,,,I think that's the brand he uses.
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So, the longer you go without food the more fat you will lose, gotcha.
Wow this really is groundbreaking stuff.
lol
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This info is truly groundbreaking. I hope John Stossel does a report on it.
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This is groundbreaking. We can now all walk around in a constant state of rippedness with no loss in size. In fact, we may even get bigger. And once we're there we can eat epic cheat meals of McDonalds and ice cream. Amazingly, it took two guys nobody had ever heard of before - who more or less remain anonymous - to develop this system. Amazing.
The last 50-60 years of bodybuilding theory and practice are now over. Everything we knew until today is now meaningless. A new era has begun.
The era of HUNGRY.....ripped lean PED laced chic magnets walking the earth...unfortunately the PED causes ED so the chics have to lady fap :'(
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the body does not crave what it needs. This is plain wrong.
THE BODY CRAVES WHAT IT HAS BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO. In the case of your body craving carbs, YES, of course it does because you have ate them your whole life but it does not mean that it needs them.
Some people have ruined their ability to know what their body needs.
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Some people have ruined their ability to know what their body needs.
True but all I am saying is what your body actually needs and what it wants are 2 different things altogether.
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True but all I am saying is what your body actually needs and what it wants are 2 different things altogether.
Please link your thread I'd like to read it.
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This is groundbreaking. We can now all walk around in a constant state of rippedness with no loss in size. In fact, we may even get bigger. And once we're there we can eat epic cheat meals of McDonalds and ice cream. Amazingly, it took two guys nobody had ever heard of before - who more or less remain anonymous - to develop this system. Amazing.
The last 50-60 years of bodybuilding theory and practice are now over. Everything we knew until today is now meaningless. A new era has begun.
^ this.
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True but all I am saying is what your body actually needs and what it wants are 2 different things altogether.
I think you mean what your mind tricks you into thinking it wants. Actually, despite what I said, bodies don't talk, except to our minds. The trick is to know the difference between a craving and a habit.
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Please link your thread I'd like to read it.
I will bump it up to the top of the gossip page, it cover everything and my approach is do not count calories at all. Check it out ;)
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I will bump it up to the top of the gossip page, it cover everything and my approach is do not count calories at all. Check it out ;)
Thanks that will work...
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I think you mean what your mind tricks you into thinking it wants. Actually, despite what I said, bodies don't talk, except to our minds. The trick is to know the difference between a craving and a habit.
word it however you want
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Thanks that will work...
NP did not want to link it here as this is gal's and no one territory, lol :D 8)
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You don`t have control over binge eating? ???
How come I don`t have the urge to binge on anything and I eat whatever I want?
If you know you can eat whatever you want, whenever you want, you have no reason to binge whatsoever. Its your restrictive practices that ruin you it seems.
You're a superior human being.
I'm definitely a follower of Adonis principles, but this thread has a lot of info that does apply.
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Hello boardings Ive joined GetBig as a result of this fine thread. I was following the intermittent fasting protocol prior and have slowly evolved to a diet similar to what Gal and No one adhere to. Surviving and thriving on this level of nutrients has showed the error of my ways following the 6 meal, moderate carb, hi protein diets. While it may be extreme and in no way marketable to anyone that was raised in the USA where food is the number one drug of choice. Hope to chime in and help this doctrine evolve to new heights.
Cheers!
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^ not the first lurker to register on getbig because of this thread. That's pretty awesome.
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NP did not want to link it here as this is gal's and no one territory, lol :D 8)
I dont know why, it's your idea they pinched anyway. ;D
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The era of HUNGRY.....ripped lean PED laced chic magnets walking the earth...unfortunately the PED causes ED so the chics have to lady fap :'(
The future
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/screencrush.com/files/2012/06/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus1.jpeg)
Muscle bound nutrient free humans.
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UKJEFF to each his own. You have made it clear you do not agree with gal and no ones protocol. Last I checked everyone's genetics are far different and respond as such. Stop trolling. I assure you there are individuals that this thread has helped a great deal myself included. Your childish banter and discourse are adding little to nothing to the conversation. Grow a pair of bollocks and piss off .
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UKJEFF to each his own. You have made it clear you do not agree with gal and no ones protocol. Last I checked everyone's genetics are far different and respond as such. Stop trolling. I assure you there are individuals that this thread has helped a great deal myself included. Your childish banter and discourse are adding little to nothing to the conversation. Grow a pair of bollocks and piss off .
you have only been here a week you fucking tit
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UKJEFF to each his own. You have made it clear you do not agree with gal and no ones protocol. Last I checked everyone's genetics are far different and respond as such. Stop trolling. I assure you there are individuals that this thread has helped a great deal myself included. Your childish banter and discourse are adding little to nothing to the conversation. Grow a pair of bollocks and piss off .
Hello newbie.
Its just banter, no malice or nastiness involved.
Their diet will work, and people will lose weight if they stick to it.
As they have helped you would you care to post a picture to show your improvements?
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you have only been here a week you fucking tit
Or so you think? Probably just a gimmick
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Naturals who follow this program will come to envy the muscular development of emaciated long distance runners.
To the extent that the diet will work, it will only do so for assisted users.
And please, don't post any pics of yourself telling us that you're not on anything. Everyone who does so is not fooling anyone.
I also worry about people with lots of weight to shift, especially older guys and gals, the drastic weight loss with have them looking like deflated balloons.
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During the duration of the diet I have not been running anything. I have gone from 210 to 190 in a matter of 7 or 8 weeks. Currently not running gear but may consider running some to fill out my frame. I started off looking very close to gal at his fatlienko stage but have progressed nicely. I believe this diet works best for those who naturally hold higher levels of body fat. I agree that if you are an ectomorph this diet may cause some rather undesirable results.
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During the duration of the diet I have not been running anything. I have gone from 210 to 190 in a matter of 7 or 8 weeks. Currently not running gear but may consider running some to fill out my frame. I started off looking very close to gal at his fatlienko stage but have progressed nicely. I believe this diet works best for those who naturally hold higher levels of body fat. I agree that if you are an ectomorph this diet may cause some rather undesirable results.
pics or it hasnt happened.
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in time im on post 4 and your asking for pics. The proof will be there I assure you.
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in time im on post 4 and your asking for pics. The proof will be there I assure you.
Thats a bold statement for someone with only 4 posts. ;)
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Some one ;D
Got a Gimmick....lol
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No gimmicks . Just a chap that is sick of spending hours of my day planning and preparing food. With this diet I devote 0 hours of my work day to food ingestion or preparation . I am able to focus on the task at hand instead of constantly thinking what do I eat for meal 2,3,4.....it is the ultimate diet for the working productive man but since few of these exist I don't believe this diet will catch on .
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During the duration of the diet I have not been running anything. I have gone from 210 to 190 in a matter of 7 or 8 weeks. Currently not running gear but may consider running some to fill out my frame. I started off looking very close to gal at his fatlienko stage but have progressed nicely. I believe this diet works best for those who naturally hold higher levels of body fat. I agree that if you are an ectomorph this diet may cause some rather undesirable results.
you shouldnt have to run gear for that...I was 200lbs 8% bf drug free at 19 years old. Clean as a whistle...(close to it anyways)
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you shouldnt have to run gear for that...I was 200lbs 8% bf drug free at 19 years old. Clean as a whistle...(close to it anyways)
How tall are you?
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No gimmicks . Just a chap that is sick of spending hours of my day planning and preparing food. With this diet I devote 0 hours of my work day to food ingestion or preparation . I am able to focus on the task at hand instead of constantly thinking what do I eat for meal 2,3,4.....it is the ultimate diet for the working productive man but since few of these exist I don't believe this diet will catch on .
I do exactly the same, I just eat what I want but smaller portions.
Piece of cake (if I feel like one)
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How tall are you?
6'0. ....
(http://imageshack.us/a/img441/677/aar0.jpg)
my starting point was DJ's dream physique lol. I wasnt even 20 years old here
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This is groundbreaking. We can now all walk around in a constant state of rippedness with no loss in size. In fact, we may even get bigger. And once we're there we can eat epic cheat meals of McDonalds and ice cream. Amazingly, it took two guys nobody had ever heard of before - who more or less remain anonymous - to develop this system. Amazing.
The last 50-60 years of bodybuilding theory and practice are now over. Everything we knew until today is now meaningless. A new era has begun.
Im pretty sure that gal mentioned in several of his posts that bodybuilders from 60s and 70s used to follow this type of diet in order to prep for shows.
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I think it's pretty funny how people throw out these precise bodyfat measurements. "I was 7.25 bodyfat" or "I went from 12.3 bodyfat to 9.4 bodyfat in four weeks."
The only way one could even approach this type of accuracy (maybe) is with DXA scans and I doubt anyone here is doing that. Even hydrostatic testing, which used to be considered the most accurate measure, is flawed and has a 3 percent margin of error. Calipers and impedance scales are even more inaccurate.
All these bodyfat measurements are estimations at best and it's silly to throw these figures around the way they have been in this thread and elsewhere.
I know what you mean, but you can get one decimal places with calipers.
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102 pages and 45000 views.
you guys are breaking my heart.
:D
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No gimmicks . Just a chap that is sick of spending hours of my day planning and preparing food. With this diet I devote 0 hours of my work day to food ingestion or preparation . I am able to focus on the task at hand instead of constantly thinking what do I eat for meal 2,3,4.....it is the ultimate diet for the working productive man but since few of these exist I don't believe this diet will catch on .
thanks for the props dude. you one of many doing this 'naturally' and sharing the same experiences. awesome to hear.
and your right. its very user friendly. no calorie adjustments, no cardio, eat what you want every 4 days. lol
good luck bro. keep pushing. keep us posted.
cheers!
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Innovative ideas always deserve props . Tired of copy cat diets and rehashes of old trends. I've made a few modifications to the diet . I've added cardio 5 days a week usually 45 min worth which allows me to have around 50-60 carbs a day . I tend to eat whatever I want every 6 days or so while maintaining my sanity. Some days I will fast for 24 hours . Love the fact that this diet is very open to motivation and innovation . Truly fits my lifestyle and mentality . Try to englighten friends of mine and they just call me a crazy Turk. Guess the American lifestyle of constantly shoveling useless nutrients is a hard habit to drop.
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Modification not motivation damn jobs and his autocorrect .
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Nobody's really discussed in-depth the effects this diet (or OTH's, for that matter) has on one's cognitive competences -- probably because precious few here possess or utilize any. Can somebody that knows the square root of potato share with us how the diet effects (effected) their ability to think clearly and otherwise do mental work?
while i'm not like 100% strict on this diet, i haven't actually noticed becoming any stupider.
waiting until "unbearable hunger pangs", however, is the biggest part of this diet i don't follow. if i did that, i would probably be dead.
to summarize my experiences: waiting until brutal hunger pangs to eat = i become extremely stupid.
however, eating
1. 150g or so protein
2. 50g or so fat
3. a bag of vegetables (such as green beans, broccoli, carrots, snap peas)
4. maybe around 1500 cals a day
5. a "cheat meal" of whatever i want every 4ish days
in a more regular fashion = i'm fine
(well, look up my posting history over the last month and judge for yourself how dumb i sound)
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6'0. ....
(http://imageshack.us/a/img441/677/aar0.jpg)
my starting point was DJ's dream physique lol. I wasnt even 20 years old here
I didn't even have to read your post to know that you were going to have a "... I wasn't even 20 here"
Every post you talk about how young you are. You've been saying that for years. Let it go.
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I'm glad they are writing a book for the simple fact that this thread he's gotten so sidetracked and fucked up I can't even remember what they were talking about and the actual info is all over the damn place.
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^ not the first lurker to register on getbig because of this thread. That's pretty awesome.
absolutely and thats what this about. i have pm's from guy w one post. thats pretty awesome.
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Im 100 natty - but i see results so far. Whats the major differenece? im leaner and not dropping much muscle at all from what i can tell.
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I'm glad they are writing a book for the simple fact that this thread he's gotten so sidetracked and fucked up I can't even remember what they were talking about and the actual info is all over the damn place.
agreed man.
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^ pwnd
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Naturals who follow this program will come to envy the muscular development of emaciated long distance runners.
To the extent that the diet will work, it will only do so for assisted users.
And please, don't post any pics of yourself telling us that you're not on anything. Everyone who does so is not fooling anyone.
a true natural will look like shit no matter what he does so your point is irrelevent
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Galeniko, any tips on going to sleep when dieting like this?
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another thing.
the clown4life has said how can one grow during a diet,despite our fierce critic cessypuss saying hes experiencing that, naturaly!.
despite seeing how noone grew into shreddedness.
despite me doing so, onetimehard was pming back and forth with me back then when i done it.
im sure he remembers how i filledout nicely into shreddedness
bulking is yesterday, we do that differently.
why would i choke myself on clean foods only to get fat,like everyone else.
yesevenif i did that,id get fat too.
iwalkedin those shoes myself when i was naive and gulibel
impossible to grow in a diet?really?think about it.
indeed you surprised the hell out of me and transformed over night and your triceps were shocking,.... as they were not to impressive with layer of fat over them but when you peeled the fat off, those tri's were fucken freaky, still are.
Good times gal, you have been shredded ever since. 8)
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Galeniko, any tips on going to sleep when dieting like this?
I thought you followed Wiggs diet philosophy ;D
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I thought you followed Wiggs diet philosophy ;D
But wiggs doesnt have a diet philosophy.... ;D
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are you using Ephedrine, pseudoeph or any type of pre workout that might contain a legal amphetamine analog/substitute?
No at the time i was on
250mg Test enan e/ 7th day
Tren e 200mg e/ 7th day
T3 50-75mcg ed (alternated w/ prescribed 100mcg T4 ed)
Clen off/on every two weeks 100mcg ed
Adex @.50mg eod
The second time i had
125mg Test enan e/ 7th day
Eq 500mg wkly
Tren E @ 400mg wkly - then reduced to 200mg to finish off and mitigate the pain in the scrotum area
Adex .25 ed or .50mg eod
Dbol 20-30mg on workout days only
T3 (alternated with T4 - sometimes used consecutively)
I just started ephedrine (eca stack once a day on workout days) for the first time (Fri July 5, 2013) in a few years again - no issues so far with
Sus 250 e/ 7th day
Deca 500mg e/ 7th
T4 100mcd ed
40mg var ed
Been on cycle since Sept 28 last year - no problems - except for when i throw in the Tren E.
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the clown4life has said how can one grow during a diet,despite our fierce critic cessypuss saying hes experiencing that, naturaly!.
???
ps after three days of dieting, finally i felt pretty much like shit today. i have a feeling it's unrelated to the diet, but anyway just ate a huge bowl of pasta with meat sauce and half a bag of m&ms :D
i was craving the pasta, but it didn't actually make me feel that much better -- the sugary m&ms REALLY hit the spot tho. also, i got extremely full on an amount that i wouldn't have blinked at a month ago. when i first started this diet, i always thought about food, of course (doubly so since i love to cook and was experimenting a lot), and would just fantasize about eating an insane amount of this or that. now, when i do have my "cheat meal", i don't even desire that much (still a lot compared to a normal meal, but really not much at all).
another thing i noticed is my biceps tendon feels very strange and awful, maybe like it's going to snap. never felt such a sensation before...
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Anything to do with long term tren usage? I believe you said 300mg Tren A weekly.
After about 8 weeks on Tren E - i start getting this pain in scrotum where i have to stop it. You also feel that pain while peeing from time to time. The longer you're own - the more you feel it.
Forgot to add the pain is started by & exacerbated by any squatting position. Once it starts - it becomes unbearable, especially during squats.
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No at the time i was on
250mg Test enan e/ 7th day
Tren e 200mg e/ 7th day
T3 50-75mcg ed (alternated w/ prescribed 100mcg T4 ed)
Clen off/on every two weeks 100mcg ed
Adex @.50mg eod
The second time i had
125mg Test enan e/ 7th day
Eq 500mg wkly
Tren E @ 400mg wkly - then reduced to 200mg to finish off and mitigate the pain in the scrotum area
Adex .25 ed or .50mg eod
Dbol 20-30mg on workout days only
T3 (alternated with T4 - sometimes used consecutively)
I just started ephedrine (eca stack once a day on workout days) for the first time (Fri July 5, 2013) in a few years again - no issues so far with
Sus 250 e/ 7th day
Deca 500mg e/ 7th
T4 100mcd ed
40mg var ed
Been on cycle since Sept 28 last year - no problems - except for when i throw in the Tren E.
Prostate issues from the Tren?
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Prostate issues from the Tren?
see I was thinking the same but from ephedrine. shit fucks me up bad like that.
could be the tren e. pretty much has to be as I don't realllly see much there that might do it otherwise
randy- is this like a 'blue balls' type pain, cause I've had that mildly on tren ace.
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see I was thinking the same but from ephedrine. shit fucks me up bad like that.
could be the tren e. pretty much has to be as I don't realllly see much there that might do it otherwise
randy- is this like a 'blue balls' type pain, cause I've had that mildly on tren ace.
I'm curious myself because I'm a fkng tren junkie and never have any prostate problems. Erratic libido (cialis FTW) And testicular shrinkage for me....the usual.
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ps after three days of dieting, finally i felt pretty much like shit today. i have a feeling it's unrelated to the diet, but anyway just ate a huge bowl of pasta with meat sauce and half a bag of m&ms :D
i was craving the pasta, but it didn't actually make me feel that much better -- the sugary m&ms REALLY hit the spot tho. also, i got extremely full on an amount that i wouldn't have blinked at a month ago. when i first started this diet, i always thought about food, of course (doubly so since i love to cook and was experimenting a lot), and would just fantasize about eating an insane amount of this or that. now, when i do have my "cheat meal", i don't even desire that much (still a lot compared to a normal meal, but really not much at all).
another thing i noticed is my biceps tendon feels very strange and awful, maybe like it's going to snap. never felt such a sensation before...
the emboldened parts- YES!!!
that feeling is totally related to the diet. we address this in the book and tell you how to overcome it. it comes out if nowhere. typically in the tail end of your low days. the very act of walking makes you feel like your walking under water. am I close? ;) ya so you did right. the body doesn't need the big meal here. it needs a boost to get you thru to the next day. within 20 minutes you started to feel awesome. within an hour you could have trained. it's important to recognise this feeling and not have that big meal just a get me thru type cal adjustment as that's all the body requires. you can tell by home well it responds. :)
your getting it dude. gal and I have exchanged emails over these very things- the body telling you what it wants for a type of food when it absolutely needs it (there's a difference between craving and necessity).
secondly, the whole idea is that as you progress downward your stomach does shrink. it simply cannot handle the volume of food it used to, thereby limiting the severity your hunger and keeping you better satiated when you do eat. I'm at a point now where if I eat one pound of chicken breast w some PB I'm so full when I'm done it's ridiculous. to the point where I just cannot eat any more. and I'm a hard training male trying to support 230+ pounds of lean tissue. amazing just how 'little' food we really do need.
and finally the desire. your there dude. like your right there. fucking awesome. you got this. that's the last big key. thinking about all the foods that make your stomach growl and be indifferent to whether you eat them or not. in fact you find yourself thinking about them on purpose. it just does not bother you. once you hit that point your on your way. you've achieved one of the last major hurdles. your in lock down mode now as I call it. something that just never happens on conventional diets. I don't know what processes take place neurologically and chemically to allow for his but for some crazy strange reason the brain adapts as well to the diet as the body does.
now you know why gal and I weren't bullshitting about this dude. your there now. like right there. all you gotta do now is put the time in. and I can fucking GUARANTEE others reading this are going to be like 'oh ya, that's happening to me to. is that what that is? awesome!'
that's why we encourage the free exchange of ideas. cause it's going to help someone somewhere.
as for the bicep I can't speak on that. I'm still gtg w all my joints an stuff. was just telling gal today. typically when you get this lean shit start to fall apart a bit. there no fat or water really to cushion anything so you get worn out a bit. given the type of volume/ frequency I'm doing I'm amazed I have zero joint issues (I'm hitting tris and bis every other day right now.) and still 100% function. maybe gal can address this as I know he was battling some joint issues.
thanks for the feedback dude. cue the trolls. :D
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I'm curious myself because I'm a fkng tren junkie and never have any prostate problems. Erratic libido (cialis FTW) And testicular shrinkage for me....the usual.
tren makes me hyper sexual. like ridiculous. the shrinkage I've had for a decade. lol
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a true natural will look like shit no matter what he does so your point is irrelevent
slow down son, you cannot make that statement.
I am natural and I know that I will look much better than what I look now.
See, I don't even use protein powder. As I said before we do not have same goals. My is to be lean at at the age of 46 with visible six pack, lean body.
Achieving this would be a great thing for me as not many guys my age look good and take care of their physic.
Your goal is to be big, muscular, pro size or whatever, good for you, keep up the dream. But do not tell me that people not using drugs look like shit as.
That is dumb statement. ;)
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slow down son, you cannot make that statement.
I am natural and I know that I will look much better than what I look now.
See, I don't even use protein powder. As I said before we do not have same goals. My is to be lean at at the age of 46 with visible six pack, lean body.
Achieving this would be a great thing for me as not many guys my age look good and take care of their physic.
Your goal is to be big, muscular, pro size or whatever, good for you, keep up the dream. But do not tell me that people not using drugs look like shit as.
That is dumb statement. ;)
As if anyone would listen to flinstones1? :D
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What i do, honestly..is a hybrid system. And i have a formula too.
A regular non-cheat day, is along the lines of this thread....hi pro/lo carb/lo fat
A cheat day is along TAs lines. I eat whatever the fuck i want..but within reason and i mind my portions
And my formula is what i call my expectations formula, based on a 10 day span.
If i eat clean 7 out of 10 days, that's not enough, and I'm treading water
8 out of 10 days is good, and seems to be the tipping point for me personally
9 out of 10 is beast mode and I'm,getting leaner by the week. I just dont like keeping it up for long.
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^ I gotta give a lot of credit to TA to opening my mind to explore the calorie is a calorie thing and eventually come to the same conclusions as Gal did. but if it weren't for TA making me 'think' I'd never be in this shape, or have adopted the principles i have today in regards to this system.
ya dude every system works. it's find one that works best for you. a lot of guys don't have the time in or experience you and I do so this tool should help them greatly
after all it's finding what works and sticking too it. :)
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As if anyone would listen to flinstones1? :D
Im in a jazz band, I play two instruments. I write my own music....add that, to a world with , ben and jerry's, match.com, and high quality cable TV , I have better things to do with my time than sit in some shitty, unairconditioned gym listening to a bunch of white trash test balls like cswole talk about how big they are when I was moving more weight than them in high school.
Im not going to go to bed hungry,, with the taste of some disgusting bland chicken breast in my mouth. but at the same time dont disrespect the guys that do.
lastly-(not to contradict myself) but One thing that I have found, the few brief times i did diet hard was that it made me do some deep inner searching- I found out alot about myself as a person when I was hungry....so Whatever chemicals in the brain are activated during brief periods of starvation that allow you to have a better grasp on things going on in your life that you can't control- idk, but i know there there. I mean People get fat and stuff themselves out of depression -just think about it.
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Im in a jazz band, I play two instruments. I write my own music....add that, to a world with , ben and jerry's, match.com, and high quality cable TV , I have better things to do with my time than sit in some shitty, unairconditioned gym listening to a bunch of white trash test balls like cswole talk about how big they are when I was moving more weight than them in high school.
Im not going to go to bed hungry,, with the taste of some disgusting bland chicken breast in my mouth. but at the same time dont disrespect the guys that do.
lastly-(not to contradict myself) but One thing that I have found, the few brief times i did diet hard was that it made me do some deep inner searching- I found out alot about myself as a person when I was hungry....so Whatever chemicals in the brain are activated during brief periods of starvation that allow you to have a better grasp on things going on in your life that you can't control- idk, but i know there there. I mean People get fat and stuff themselves out of depression -just think about it.
Good post.
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Im 100 natty - but i see results so far. Whats the major differenece? im leaner and not dropping much muscle at all from what i can tell.
you're stocky with a bulky frame....at 6' and my frame I will look like a toothpick if I stay natty and adopt this diet...for me to look good I cannot drop below 8-10% and stay natty IMO
well maybe not toothpick but gaunt....my wide chest/shoulders would be my saving grace...
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you're stocky with a bulky frame....at 6' and my frame I will look like a toothpick if I stay natty and adopt this diet...for me to look good I cannot drop below 8-10% and stay natty IMO
well maybe not toothpick but gaunt....my wide chest/shoulders would be my saving grace...
Correct. Like I tell people - if I am going to be short and bald, at least grant me one thing in my favor for fucks sake! ;D ;D ;D
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natural, this means more than 6 months off gear, just over 6ft and def under 10%
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this diet.
what kinda diet you suggest to get better results? ::)
Aeroplane toilet lol? ;D
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You're probably right. At your height you will look fine sub-10% training naturally but nobody will think you're into bodybuilding. You'll look more like a swimmer/triathlete, which is fine but may not be the look you're going for.
It's very difficult for a realtively tall natural to look like he weight trains if the bodyfat dips too low. Realistically speaking, regardless of what diet you're on, anything below a real 10% and you won't much look like you weight train.
Cue the personal insults from the Gypsy.
true,,,other variables to consider each person different muscle bellie,structure,shape,way it carries on one's frame,that's why drugged/natural/drugfree/clean debate will rage on,,,as gali pointed out some guys using look like complete garbage a clean lifter will look better by long shot.but put 2 genetic shaped guys similar build in terms what there born with and both following there training,dieting to a ttt,the drug guy will come out better and it doesn't have to be million times better just a bit more and it will be apparent who's taking or not if the natural guy is honest lol,,,either way both guy is built well if there pushing it right training/diet wise ,it's just 2 different roads to get there.
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Cue the personal insults from the Gypsy.
what a fucking bitch you are.
all you've done is attack and be a compete dickhead in this thread and now you make it out like your the victim.
listen crybaby, if your going to play the role of the man don't follow it up with such a I'm a bitch comment like 'cue the personal insults'. it only makes you look even more childish and immature than previously believed- and that's saying something.
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Whatever. At the very least, I respect the Gypsy because he's put his face out there.
You're just a sketchy character who goes off on people here who have accomplished a lot more than you ever will.
let me get out my things to do notepad and jot down a little reminder about how I need to give a fuck about what you think. lol
pansy.
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let me get out my things to do notepad and jot down a little note about how I need to give a fuck about what you think. lol
pansy.
TBH I think you really do have a notepad for that very reason.
Why else do you keep responding to people if you don't give a fuck?
I think you "give a fuck" more that anyone else on this forum what people think.
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no one should leave this thread to gal
who is winning the arguments with logic and by talking about his own experience
as opposed to no one throwing tantrums like he just got his period
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no one should leave this thread to gal
who is winning the arguments with logic and by talking about his own experience
as opposed to no one throwing tantrums like he just got his period
Agreed, can you imagine the book signings in Waterstones with No one not getting enough attention.
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no one should leave this thread to gal
who is winning the arguments with logic and by talking about his own experience
as opposed to no one throwing tantrums like he just got his period
I'll stick around. I quite like it here.
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I'll stick around. I quite like it here.
you seem to enjoy the role of cuckold
knock yourself out :)
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I have been very blessed having very small joins and large muscle to the point of complete narcissism in my youth
But even natural at my very best in early twentys I could never get above 230 lbs and still be cut
I get. very cut in the 190 and down range maybe 200 in the old days
That being said I see no way to be sub 7 at 200 over the age of 35 without PED
When I cut hard this winter I will be sub 8 and expect to be 180 to 185 another 15 pounds of muscle is IMO impossible without PED
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you seem to enjoy the role of cuckold
knock yourself out :)
the way you ukjeff and bigcyp three way each other in every thread its no surprise to me you want your cockheld.
gearbox.
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I posted some pics when I was deployed to Haiti I was 21 22 yrs old and before I bulked heavy even there I was 200 or less eating 3500 to 6000 cals daily
Posting on iPhone sorry if posts are fked up
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the way you ukjeff and bigcyp three way each other in every thread its no surprise to me you want your cockheld.
gearbox.
its clear you are a cock juggler its written in every word you post
give me a shout when you get your shit back together and we will get back to having a laugh on here
at this stage i think its important that you step away from the internetz
peace :)
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its clear you are a cock juggler its written in every word you post
give me a shout when you get your shit back together and we will get back to having a laugh on here
at this stage i think its important that you step away from the internetz
peace :)
thanks for playing.
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That's fine. I don't care what u think either so we're all set.
It's obvious that in your relationship w/ the Gypsy, he's the alpha and you're the beta. U keeping typing up his book and putting it together for him like a good little secretary. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Where are your pics chief?
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That's fine. I don't care what u think either so we're all set.
It's obvious that in your relationship w/ the Gypsy, he's the alpha and you're the beta. U keeping typing up his book and putting it together for him like a good little secretary. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
we'll be sure to let know when it's it's done, nancy.
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we'll be sure to let know when it's it's done, nancy.
I thought it was already done?
Not waiting for you to get in shape to add your photo are you?
It will be Christmas before its out.
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I thought it was already done?
Not waiting for you to get in shape to add your photo are you?
It will be Christmas before its out.
all no one does is act as a spell checker
first he will know when the book is out is when people post about it on here
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No way chief. My anonymity is too important. I'm not running some low rent law firm where I can post racist stuff on the internet (like u do daily) that could be tied back to me and not worry about it. U must have some clientele.
Weak sauce. This is GB - you come here, you know the rules. Kill or be Killed - that is how it is.
BTW - found another you might like -
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is that a Turkish prison?
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No way chief. My anonymity is too important. I'm not running some low rent law firm where I can post racist stuff on the internet (like u do daily) that could be tied back to me and not worry about it. U must have some clientele.
hahaha oh brother
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That's fine. I don't care what u think either so we're all set.
It's obvious that in your relationship w/ the Gypsy, he's the alpha and you're the beta. U keeping typing up his book and putting it together for him like a good little secretary. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
second paragraph is a cheap shot....i thought only females stab eachother in the dark by trying to creates fudes between friends.
what is this the 10th grade?
your now officially a bitch(:
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No way chief. My anonymity is too important. I'm not running some low rent law firm where I can post racist stuff on the internet (like u do daily) that could be tied back to me and not worry about it. U must have some clientele.
how about you black your face out sparky
on get big failure to back your shit talking up with a pic equals fail
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What shit talking have I done?
calling no one gals secretary etc
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What shit talking have I done?
Again - this is GB - kill or be killed
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Again - this is GB - kill or be killed
(http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2004/06/06/6_6_2004_mini-me-2.jpg)
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They have been attacking me since the first time I dared to question what they've had to say. My comment was mild in contrast.
You have 256 posts and attacking long respected members of GB like Bigmc, Gal, No One, and you expect not to be attacked yourself? ::) ::)
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(http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2004/06/06/6_6_2004_mini-me-2.jpg)
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DHT and ephedrine cause prostate issues if you're predisposed. I've gotten some pretty bad prostate pinches on high dose mast.
Just avoid it.
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I have been very blessed having very small joins and large muscle to the point of complete narcissism in my youth
But even natural at my very best in early twentys I could never get above 230 lbs and still be cut
I get. very cut in the 190 and down range maybe 200 in the old days
That being said I see no way to be sub 7 at 200 over the age of 35 without PED
When I cut hard this winter I will be sub 8 and expect to be 180 to 185 another 15 pounds of muscle is IMO impossible without PED
Care to post a pic of this amazing physique ?
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Care to post a pic of this amazing physique ?
Sure in the winter when I cut....now coming of rehab and almost a year off, nothing to show worth looking at...here is the army pic I referenced...
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stillgoing
click for video
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130711_191101_zpscd1f31a2.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130711_191101_zpscd1f31a2.mp4)
:D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Steven_Seagal_3.jpg/220px-Steven_Seagal_3.jpg)
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Here I found this leg shot I posted about a month or so ago....lost size and definition but should be ok by jan 2014...
This is cold no pump and no tan :-X
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Here I found this leg shot I posted about a month or so ago....lost size and definition but should be ok by jan 2014...
See you then. ::)
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I'm not seeing tiny joints and huge muscle bellies anywhere, stud.
Those are strong words on a BBing forum.
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See you then. ::)
I have perfect "men's physique" legs :D
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I'm not seeing tiny joints and huge muscle bellies anywhere, stud.
Those are strong words on a BBing forum.
I didn't say I was Lou or Arnie...but wide enough as a 190-200 natty
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stillgoing
click for video
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/th_20130711_191101_zpscd1f31a2.jpg) (http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/20130711_191101_zpscd1f31a2.mp4)
:D
who's the skinny twink with the receding hairline?
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I have been very blessed having very small joins and large muscle to the point of complete narcissism in my youth
But even natural at my very best in early twentys I could never get above 230 lbs and still be cut
I get. very cut in the 190 and down range maybe 200 in the old days
That being said I see no way to be sub 7 at 200 over the age of 35 without PED
When I cut hard this winter I will be sub 8 and expect to be 180 to 185 another 15 pounds of muscle is IMO impossible without PED
Am I missing something? You never mention your height. In my opinion, height plays a big roll in how much weight a person can carry and still be in the low fat range. This is not to say all tall people are lean or short folks fat.
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I'm 6 foot and I don't count the fraction I'm over that lol ::)
And I did in the previous post to that one....
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I didn't say I was Lou or Arnie...but wide enough as a 190-200 natty
No you said you were Flex Wheeler....LOL
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No you said you were Flex Wheeler....LOL
I have smaller ankles....but NO ONE is Flex....especially a natty.
I wonder what Flex would look like as a natty... 175 wet in a wool sweater. Isn't he short?
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Tedim, how much radiation did you get from Chernobyl? Putin should give you a free wheelchair atleast :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=463549.0;attach=525295;image)
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Sure in the winter when I cut....now coming of rehab and almost a year off, nothing to show worth looking at...here is the army pic I referenced...
How long did you serve?
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Tedim, how much radiation did you get from Chernobyl? Putin should give you a free wheelchair atleast :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=463549.0;attach=525295;image)
Hitin the bottle early I see....
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How long did you serve?
91 to 96....active duty
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91 to 96....active duty
props
got to respect the armed services
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Hitin the bottle early I see....
Early? There is no timetable for the Oracle sauce.
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91 to 96....active duty
Nice - regular Army?
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Hitin the bottle early I see....
Yes Shizzo is not allowed to critique anyone, he looks like Moby on Creatine.
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I didn't say I was Lou or Arnie...but wide enough as a 190-200 natty
you look like shit
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Yes Shizzo is not allowed to critique anyone, he looks like Moby on Creatine.
So I look like a rich guy, only bigger. You need to try harder Groink ;D
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Early? There is no timetable for the Oracle sauce.
Depends....if you're still drinking from last night .....you're ending late.....
But if you've awoken from last nights blackout and already have your lips pressed up against MD 20/20 then you're starting early...
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you look like shit
Quiet handgrip.
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So I look like a rich guy, only bigger. You need to try harder Groink ;D
no he means you look like a fat bald loser
only you could consider being compared to the penis headed moby as a compliment
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Nice - regular Army?
Yes, left E5P was 11H then reclassed 91B then upgraded ;D to 91G with L1 designator... ;D ;D ;D
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no he means you look like a fat bald loser
only you could consider being compared to the penis headed moby as a compliment
Moby is famous. Just like I am famous on Getbig. Seems like a good comparison.
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Moby is famous. Just like I am famous on Getbig. Seems like a good comparison.
you arent famous on here
but i admire your persistence in being oblivious to the truth
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you look like shit
Your mother disagrees.....a lot and loudly. Pebbles.
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Yes, left E5P was 11H then reclassed 91B then upgraded ;D to 91G with L1 designator... ;D ;D ;D
Check out my GoRuck Thread - you might like it
If you are in the vicinity - "Nasty Nick" looks awesome - ill be there too
www.goruck.com
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you arent famous on here
but i admire your persistence in being oblivious to the truth
Just as I admire christians, muslims, buddhists etc.....
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Check out my GoRuck Thread - you might like it
If you are in the vicinity - "Nasty Nick" looks awesome - ill be there too
www.goruck.com
Yeah.....I'll take a look.
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Just as I admire vodka,vodka,vodka etc.....
fixed
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fixed
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Yeah.....I'll take a look.
Good group of guys and the site has a great training page for different workouts etc .
http://training.goruck.com
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fixed
;D
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Good group of guys and the site has a great training page for different workouts etc .
http://training.goruck.com
That shit is for homos !!
"good group of GUYS"...I'm sure.....HAHAHAA ;D
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That shit is for homos !!
"good group of GUYS"...I'm sure.....HAHAHAA ;D
Green Berets and Spec Ops are homos?
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Green Berets and Spec Ops are homos?
Don't ask don't tell.
Can't think of a more phallic thing to do than shoot a gun.
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Don't ask don't tell.
Can't think of a more phallic thing to do than shoot a gun.
Really? Do you think you are more of a man than a Green Beret or spec ops soldier? Somebody has to do it, and these guys are the best of the best.
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Really? Do you think you are more of a man than a Green Beret or spec ops soldier? Somebody has to do it, and these guys are the best of the best.
the sexuality of a green beret has nothing to do with me, or how much of a "man" I am.
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Don't ask don't tell.
Can't think of a more phallic thing to do than shoot a gun.
???
You obviously never grew up hunting or fishing for food eh?
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You obviously never grew up hunting or fishing for food eh?
Most people don't. Did you grow up in a third world country?
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no he means you look like a fat bald loser
only you could consider being compared to the penis headed moby as a compliment
so simple, yet so brutal. Shizzo gets thrown around here like a ragdoll, he shakes it off.... But you know it has to get to him.
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so simple, yet so brutal. Shizzo gets thrown around here like a ragdoll, he shakes it off.... But you know it has to get to him.
It is jealousy, pure and simple. When you are at the top, people will always hate. People hate god, people hate the president, people hate anyone better then them. I am simply better then most. I expect hate and envy.
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Most people don't. Did you grow up in a third world country?
Most people in Alaska do. Also tons of my friends here in the Midwest do. Not rednecks either.
My buddy and me tag a deer every fall. We split the processing fee, and we each end up with 60lbs of fresh grass fed venison for roughly $1 per lb. yes....$1, per lb.
When I'm in Alaska, I'll go fish for an afternoon and can easily bring back 30 lbs of fresh wild Alaskan salmon, and all if costs is gas money to drive for a few hours.
I don't do it as much, but here in the Midwest you can go bank lining and snag some monster catfish. This costs virtually nothing and provides a freezer full of fresh fish.
Hunting/fishing for your meat and fish is a badass, fun way to put food on the table. Especially if you're a college kid on a budget.
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60lbs of fresh grass fed venison
as opposed to venison fed with....?
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as opposed to venison fed with....?
Exactly. I just said that for effect since most people don't realize they are natural grazers....but somebody hears the phrase "grass fed beef" and produce tremendous boners of the phrase.
Now stop nitpicking me asshole :D
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Most people in Alaska do. Also tons of my friends here in the Midwest do. Not rednecks either.
My buddy and me tag a deer every fall. We split the processing fee, and we each end up with 60lbs of fresh grass fed venison for roughly $1 per lb. yes....$1, per lb.
When I'm in Alaska, I'll go fish for an afternoon and can easily bring back 30 lbs of fresh wild Alaskan salmon, and all if costs is gas money to drive for a few hours.
I don't do it as much, but here in the Midwest you can go bank lining and snag some monster catfish. This costs virtually nothing and provides a freezer full of fresh fish.
Hunting/fishing for your meat and fish is a badass, fun way to put food on the table. Especially if you're a college kid on a budget.
I can respect a good answer.
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Exactly. I just said that for effect since most people don't realize they are natural grazers....but somebody hears the phrase "grass fed beef" and produce tremendous boners of the phrase.
Now stop nitpicking me asshole :D
I always laugh at John Meadows diet vids when he gushes over butter from grass fed cows.
Numpty.
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I always laugh at John Meadows diet vids when he gushes over butter from grass fed cows.
Numpty.
Lol I know the exact video you speak of
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It is jealousy, pure and simple. When you are at the top, people will always hate. People hate god, people hate the president, people hate anyone better then them. I am simply better then most. I expect hate and envy.
below average looking, shitty body, alcoholic, probably havent been on a date in years. Im curious how did you stumble upon getbig? there are tons of forums out there that you can be a troll on, why getbig? you dont even have a gym membership...
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You obviously never grew up hunting or fishing for food eh?
I'm trolling ...army people are OK in my book.
Shizzo is a sniffer of men's asses though...on this there can be no discussion.
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I'm trolling ...army people are OK in my book.
Shizzo is a sniffer of men's asses though...on this there can be no discussion.
LOL ;)
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below average looking, shitty body, alcoholic, probably havent been on a date in years. Im curious how did you stumble upon getbig? there are tons of forums out there that you can be a troll on, why getbig? you dont even have a gym membership...
I workout at home. Shizzo's dungeon gym. Nough said.
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I'm trolling ...army people are OK in my book.
Shizzo is a sniffer of men's asses though...on this there can be no discussion.
Yet I sit atop the throne, while you are terrified of internet threats. What's next Groink? 6 pink bunnies?
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I workout at home. Shizzo's dungeon gym. Nough said.
Try RushFit ;D ;D
http://www.amazon.com/Rushfit-Georges-St-Pierre-Ultimate-Training/dp/B005OL8NHW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373578216&sr=8-1&keywords=rushfit
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Most people in Alaska do. Also tons of my friends here in the Midwest do. Not rednecks either.
My buddy and me tag a deer every fall. We split the processing fee, and we each end up with 60lbs of fresh grass fed venison for roughly $1 per lb. yes....$1, per lb.
When I'm in Alaska, I'll go fish for an afternoon and can easily bring back 30 lbs of fresh wild Alaskan salmon, and all if costs is gas money to drive for a few hours.
I don't do it as much, but here in the Midwest you can go bank lining and snag some monster catfish. This costs virtually nothing and provides a freezer full of fresh fish.
Hunting/fishing for your meat and fish is a badass, fun way to put food on the table. Especially if you're a college kid on a budget.
ehhh idk dude, catfish,brim, bass....I try to stay away from fresh water fish. As for the last sentence it can be fun, but Im really not into shooting a deer for example ...the time I spent cleaning it and cooking it (When I could of been making money working)...didnt save me much money!
. Same thing with fishing, great fun....but Im not cleaning the fish. even when I do Ill usually pay someone to do it for me.
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ehhh idk dude, catfish,brim, bass....I try to stay away from fresh water fish. As for the last sentence it can be fun, but Im really not into shooting a deer for example ...the time I spent cleaning it and cooking it (When I could of been making money working)...didnt save me much money!
. Same thing with fishing, great fun....but Im not cleaning the fish. even when I do Ill usually pay someone to do it for me.
It's not for everybody. But for younger guys on a budget who bodybuild, I can't think of a better option for getting good lean meat/fish than befriending some guys in the gym who hunt or fish.
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Yet I sit atop the throne, will you are terrified of internet threats. What's next Groink? 6 pink bunnies?
It's funny how pissy you get when someone hurts your feelings..hahahaaa
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ehhh idk dude, catfish,brim, bass....I try to stay away from fresh water fish. As for the last sentence it can be fun, but Im really not into shooting a deer for example ...the time I spent cleaning it and cooking it (When I could of been making money working)...didnt save me much money!
. Same thing with fishing, great fun....but Im not cleaning the fish. even when I do Ill usually pay someone to do it for me.
Certainly crammed a lot into your 20 years.
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It's funny how pissy you get when someone hurts your feelings..hahahaaa
It's not that. I can usually tell when someone is being genuine. As someone who has been nothing but friendly to you, I do not appreciate the hate. I know when someone is being serious. I can be serious too.
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It's not that. I can usually tell when someone is being genuine. As someone who has been nothing but friendly to you, I do not appreciate the hate. I know when someone is being serious. I can be serious too.
Ok...seriously...i think you are a fucking annoying douche with this "king" bullshit, the WORST poster here, .before you started your non-stop asshole spamming, I thought you were alright and considered us "cool" . Honest enough for you ?
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Ok...seriously...i think you are a fucking annoying douche with this "king" bullshit, the WORST poster here, .before you started your non-stop asshole spamming, I thought you were alright and considered us "cool" . Honest enough for you ?
About time you were honest. I will never change who I am. I am better then 99% of the people walking on earth. I have birthrights, titles, grants, Lee's etc..... I am sorry that I do not have to worry in life. The "king bullshit" as you like to call it, is not an act. I am the most popular member on Getbig. So the king label fits.
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About time you were honest. I will never cahnge who I am. I am better then 99% of the people walking on earth. I have birthrights, titles, grants, Lee's etc..... I am sorry that I do not have to worry in life. The "king bullshit" as you like to call it, is not an act. I am the most popular member on Getbig. So the king label fits.
Have fun with that Moby...I'll go back to either ignoring you or ridiculing you.
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Have fun with that Moby...I'll go back to either ignoring you or ridiculing you.
I am not the one you should be worrying about. I don't take things offline.
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I am not the one you should be worrying about. I don't take things offline.
Hahaaahaaa could you try any harder ?
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I'm 6 foot and I don't count the fraction I'm over that lol ::)
And I did in the previous post to that one....
Sorry didn't remember or read that previous post. Your weight is pretty good then for your height. You never know who is so deluded as to think they should weigh 200+ pounds when they are only 5' tall. :)
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Hahaaahaaa could you try any harder ?
Dude, stop the act. Didn't I warn you via pm? Then, all of a sudden some dude (who barely posts here) starts some thread bashing you. "They" don't want you to post here. Like I said, I tried to look out for you, and you shit on me.
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I always laugh at John Meadows diet vids when he gushes over butter from grass fed cows.
Numpty.
Is butter from grass fed cows better? Anyway, I thought grass was the mainstay diet for cows.
I never eat margarine. It is always butter for me. Turns out, butter is healthier than margarine anyway. Of course if you want to really have healthy fats, olive oil is the way to go.
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Is butter from grass fed cows better? Anyway, I thought grass was the mainstay diet for cows.
I never eat margarine. It is always butter for me. Turns out, butter is healthier than margarine anyway. Of course if you want to really have healthy fats, olive oil is the way to go.
It has a better Omega-3 profile. If you can justify $10 for a tub of butter.
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Is butter from grass fed cows better? Anyway, I thought grass was the mainstay diet for cows.
I never eat margarine. It is always butter for me. Turns out, butter is healthier than margarine anyway. Of course if you want to really have healthy fats, olive oil is the way to go.
How old are you again Prime? I pray to look as good as you at that age. Sans orange addidas, daisy dukes.
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About time you were honest. I will never change who I am. I am better then 99% of the people walking on earth. I have birthrights, titles, grants, Lee's etc..... I am sorry that I do not have to worry in life. The "king bullshit" as you like to call it, is not an act. I am the most popular member on Getbig. So the king label fits.
You forgot to mention that you also have a huge inflated ego. ;D
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It has a better Omega-3 profile. If you can justify $10 for a tub of butter.
Kerrygold butter is grass fed only, its around £1.70 a block.
(http://www.kerrygold.com/images/sized/images/uploads/KG_Pure_Irish_Butter-604x414.png)
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You forgot to mention that you also have a huge inflated ego. ;D
Not as huge as your prostate. Awww......too soon?
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Sure in the winter when I cut....now coming of rehab and almost a year off, nothing to show worth looking at...here is the army pic I referenced...
hmm, Russian flag under you username and pics in US army uniform, serving for 5 years...
Just curious, in an event of US&Russia conflict would you wear US Army uniform and fight Russians?
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Kerrygold butter is grass fed only, its around £1.70 a block.
(http://www.kerrygold.com/images/sized/images/uploads/KG_Pure_Irish_Butter-604x414.png)
Not sure this is available in the U.S. I've not seen it on the shelves in the market.
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Not as huge as your prostate. Awww......too soon?
What prostate. The doctor took it out, remember? And yeah, it was pretty huge! ;D
Too soon? It's never too soon for me because I have nerves of steel and great resolve. In fact, my ego might just be bigger than yours too.
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What prostate. The doctor took it out, remember? And yeah, it was pretty huge! ;D
Too soon? It's never too soon for me because I have nerves of steel and great resolve. In fact, my ego might just be bigger than yours too.
You are exactly the old bag, that the king hopes to be one day.......minus the weird gay stuff :-X
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You are exactly the old bag, that the king hopes to be one day.......minus the weird gay stuff :-X
Well then forget about "the weird gay stuff" it isn't all that big a deal anyway. It is not like it's contagious or anything. ;D
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hmm, Russian flag under you username and pics in US army uniform, serving for 5 years...
Just curious, in an event of US&Russia conflict would you wear US Army uniform and fight Russians?
In that case.....today.....I'd be fishing in Canada! Done with flag waving. And the russian flag as my avatar is just an ethnicity indicator not a loyalty one.
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Green Berets and Spec Ops are homos?
Firstly, for all we know this stuff is "patterned" after Special Forces training like The Exorcist is based on a true story; secondly, even if the patterning is there, it is probably a sad simulacrum of what the real guys do (and probably necessarily so); and thirdly, what's certain is that it serves as a beacon for gun queers and other military culture-obsessed types who want to make-believe they are anything approximating the real deal in order to feel, well, special, some of the most obnoxious people on the planet -- invariably white douchenozzles pathetically trying to emulate the real guys' sunglasses, minimalist wear, and hairstyle in a civilian context (Spec Ops at the grocery store!), except with more mean mugging.
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Hunting/fishing for your meat and fish is a badass, fun way to put food on the table. Especially if you're a college kid on a budget.
Nothing more badass than shooting an uncomprehending animal from afar.
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Special Forces are out of FT. Bragg and while their training is very physical, their best best attributes are cranial. At Ft. Sam I spoke with SF medics being trained...very smart down to earth calm guys. Not Arnold types in Predator...final test was they get dropped in TX desert with a 200 lb pig stabbed with a knife 24 to 48 hours from base....two man team....they have to bring the pig back alive or they bolo.....lost a year and get recycled back. Or could have BSed me ;D
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Firstly, for all we know this stuff is "patterned" after Special Forces training like The Exorcist is based on a true story; secondly, even if the patterning is there, it is probably a sad simulacrum of what the real guys do (and probably necessarily so); and thirdly, what's certain is that it serves as a beacon for gun queers and other military culture-obsessed types who want to make-believe they are anything approximating the real deal in order to feel, well, special, some of the most obnoxious people on the planet -- invariably white douchenozzles pathetically trying to emulate the real guys' sunglasses, minimalist wear, and hairstyle in a civilian context (Spec Ops at the grocery store!), except with more mean mugging.
meltdown
Idiot. The entire company and programs are run by former and current spec ops guys.
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Idiot. The entire company and programs are run by former and current spec ops guys.
You're a smart lawyerin' type so perhaps you can explain how this fact affects the status of my assertions (it may be relevant to points one and two but has no bearing on point three).
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You're a smart lawyerin' type so perhaps you can explain how this fact affects the status of my assertions (it may be relevant to points one and two but has no bearing on point three).
P.S. gun queer and/or military-obsessed wannabe detected
No - just a new challenge to tackle. ;)
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About time you were honest. I will never change who I am. I am better then 99% of the people walking on earth. I have birthrights, titles, grants, Lee's etc..... I am sorry that I do not have to worry in life. The "king bullshit" as you like to call it, is not an act. I am the most popular member on Getbig. So the king label fits.
Is this nikka serious?
Nawwww
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Nothing more badass than shooting an uncomprehending animal from afar.
Verses animals being raised in horrid conditions to be slaughtered and then sold for meat? Not seeing where youre going with this bro. Are you completely against killing of animals for food? If anything, hunting and harvesting your own meat is by far the more moral, ethical way to acquire meat (no homo.) sure, go ahead and hate on "trophy hunting" if you feel strongly, it's not my cup of tea either, but hunting 1 deer in an overpopulated deer area each year is a GOOD thing.
The deer that I kill every fall is a mature adult. If I didn't kill it, it would be killed at some point by another animal predator. Also factor in the overpopulation of deer where I am and how the fish and game department wildlife biologists practically beg people to hunt to keep numbers controlled because there are so many human deaths caused by vehicle accidents from deer.
Hunting meltdown.
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Verses animals being raised in horrid conditions to be slaughtered and then sold for meat? Not seeing where youre going with this bro. Are you completely against killing of animals for food? If anything, hunting and harvesting your own meat is by far the more moral, ethical way to acquire meat (no homo.) sure, go ahead and hate on "trophy hunting" if you feel strongly, it's not my cup of tea either, but hunting 1 deer in an overpopulated deer area each year is a GOOD thing.
The deer that I kill every fall is a mature adult. If I didn't kill it, it would be killed at some point by another animal predator. Also factor in the overpopulation of deer where I am and how the fish and game department wildlife biologists practically beg people to hunt to keep numbers controlled because there are so many human deaths caused by vehicle accidents from deer.
Hunting meltdown.
Phreak approved. Hunting for trophies is pathetic, unless you kill a wild boar with a sharp stick. But I'd rather eat an animal that's had a normal life, so hunting for food is fine.
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Phreak approved. Hunting for trophies is pathetic, unless you kill a wild boar with a sharp stick. But I'd rather eat an animal that's had a normal life, so hunting for food is fine.
This is how I was raised by my old man. And as a young kid going out with him and taking a deer, and seeing the whole process and my dad explaining that this animal gave its life so that our family would have food, and that it was a gift to us,... it taught me deep lessons and gave me a true respect and appreciation not just for animals but for all living things, especially people.
I think it's a great thing for kids to experience. Seems the younger generations have lost a respect for the value of human life, and the brevity of life. Those experiences as a kid taught me that any life is precious.
Plus the meat just tastes Better when you've actually worked for it 8)
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This is how I was raised by my old man. And as a young kid going out with him and taking a deer, and seeing the whole process and my dad explaining that this animal gave its life so that our family would have food, and that it was a gift to us,... it taught me deep lessons and gave me a true respect and appreciation not just for animals but for all living things, especially people.
I think it's a great thing for kids to experience. Seems the younger generations have lost a respect for the value of human life, and the brevity of life. Those experiences as a kid taught me that any life is precious.
Plus the meat just tastes Better when you've actually worked for it 8)
Good for you, try and ignore the the Getbig unwashed Flotsam. They really are unthinking, biased, intolerant and ignorant sods.
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This is how I was raised by my old man. And as a young kid going out with him and taking a deer, and seeing the whole process and my dad explaining that this animal gave its life so that our family would have food, and that it was a gift to us,... it taught me deep lessons and gave me a true respect and appreciation not just for animals but for all living things, especially people.
I think it's a great thing for kids to experience. Seems the younger generations have lost a respect for the value of human life, and the brevity of life. Those experiences as a kid taught me that any life is precious.
Plus the meat just tastes Better when you've actually worked for it 8)
Savage!
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This is how I was raised by my old man. And as a young kid going out with him and taking a deer, and seeing the whole process and my dad explaining that this animal gave its life so that our family would have food, and that it was a gift to us,... it taught me deep lessons and gave me a true respect and appreciation not just for animals but for all living things, especially people.
I think it's a great thing for kids to experience. Seems the younger generations have lost a respect for the value of human life, and the brevity of life. Those experiences as a kid taught me that any life is precious.
Plus the meat just tastes Better when you've actually worked for it 8)
Know what you mean Chiro, my Wife and I usually fish for Mackarel each summer and stock the freezer with what we catch. Nothing beats eating southern fried chunks of fish, that you cleaned, gutted, diced yourself and best of all pulled it out the sea less than 2 hours before! Fresh as you like 8)
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Know what you mean Chiro, my Wife and I usually fish for Mackarel each summer and stock the freezer with what we catch. Nothing beats eating southern fried chunks of fish, that you cleaned, gutted, diced yourself and best of all pulled it out the sea less than 2 hours before! Fresh as you like 8)
london is a real mackerel fishermans hot spot ???
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london is a real mackerel fishermans hot spot ???
Close 8)
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Verses animals being raised in horrid conditions to be slaughtered and then sold for meat? Not seeing where youre going with this bro. Are you completely against killing of animals for food? If anything, hunting and harvesting your own meat is by far the more moral, ethical way to acquire meat (no homo.) sure, go ahead and hate on "trophy hunting" if you feel strongly, it's not my cup of tea either, but hunting 1 deer in an overpopulated deer area each year is a GOOD thing.
The deer that I kill every fall is a mature adult. If I didn't kill it, it would be killed at some point by another animal predator. Also factor in the overpopulation of deer where I am and how the fish and game department wildlife biologists practically beg people to hunt to keep numbers controlled because there are so many human deaths caused by vehicle accidents from deer.
Hunting meltdown.
Simmer down, Sarah Palin; I was simply responding to the proposition you expressed--that hunting was "badass." In my mind that summoned connotations of something rather like trophy hunting, of a misplaced pride or sense of accomplishment over killing an essentially defenseless animal. Now that you've expounded upon your position I find myself more or less in agreement.
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This is how I was raised by my old man. And as a young kid going out with him and taking a deer, and seeing the whole process and my dad explaining that this animal gave its life so that our family would have food, and that it was a gift to us,... it taught me deep lessons and gave me a true respect and appreciation not just for animals but for all living things, especially people.
I think it's a great thing for kids to experience. Seems the younger generations have lost a respect for the value of human life, and the brevity of life. Those experiences as a kid taught me that any life is precious.
Plus the meat just tastes Better when you've actually worked for it 8)
Nice
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Simmer down, Sarah Palin; I was simply responding to the proposition you expressed--that hunting was "badass." In my mind that summoned connotations of something rather like trophy hunting, of a misplaced pride or sense of accomplishment over killing an essentially defenseless animal. Now that you've expounded upon your position I find myself more or less in agreement.
Sarah Palin :D
"badass" was just a figure of speech....being out on a boat in 70 degree weather with a few buds, knocking back a few cold ones, limiting out on some 20 lb silver salmon (some places the limit is 10 fish per person per day)....
Man this is some of the most fun times of my life. If you get into the fish good one day and are just slaying em, it's some of the most fun you can have standing upright ;)
Hunting big game IMO is less fun...it's more work, but the meat you attain from just one small deer is awesome!
Took my girl out for the first time with me, trolling for halibut and silvers (salmon).
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/1770fb672083a37232e33f67ffb840cc.jpg)
This was the end result ;)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/0b887e70f4e11c3e82cdd613deb318eb.jpg)
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Know what you mean Chiro, my Wife and I usually fish for Mackarel each summer and stock the freezer with what we catch. Nothing beats eating southern fried chunks of fish, that you cleaned, gutted, diced yourself and best of all pulled it out the sea less than 2 hours before! Fresh as you like 8)
Yes! BigCyp gets it!
Always had this feeling deep down inside that you were handy with a pole.
Full homo!
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Gal and No One,
Assume someone uses the diet you recommend and loses the fat he has to, coming down to, say, 8% bodyfat. He then wants to put some muscle on. I don't want to use the word "bulk up" because an outright bulk is usually counterproductive and results in too much fat gain. But we are talking about a slight caloric surplus for 3-4 weeks.
Would you recommend one goes from a big caloric deficit to a slight caloric suprlus suddenly? Or first let things settle a bit and maintain, then go to a surplus.
The conventional wisdom is maintain a bit and then go to a surplus. But I feel that a sudden jump to a caloric surplus might be better. One of the reasons is that after a long deficit, the body is very resistant to put on fat and you can pig out for a number of days before fat starts to accumulate -possibly because the hormones enabling fat storage have been downregulated in the meantime.
What do you guys think?
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Plus the meat just tastes Better when you've actually worked for it 8)
I don't know about this. One time my dad decided to butcher some of our chickens. The were Banty's. If you know anything about chickens, Bantam chickens are rather small. These were small and old. After all the work to kill, pluck and clean them, we couldn't eat them. Little old chickens cooked on the barbecue are as tough as a rubber tire. Who knows what they tasted like. What a waste. I'll get my chicken from the market, thank you.
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Gal and No One,
Assume someone uses the diet you recommend and loses the fat he has to, coming down to, say, 8% bodyfat. He then wants to put some muscle on. I don't want to use the word "bulk up" because an outright bulk is usually counterproductive and results in too much fat gain. But we are talking about a slight caloric surplus for 3-4 weeks.
Would you recommend one goes from a big caloric deficit to a slight caloric suprlus suddenly? Or first let things settle a bit and maintain, then go to a surplus.
The conventional wisdom is maintain a bit and then go to a surplus. But I feel that a sudden jump to a caloric surplus might be better. One of the reasons is that after a long deficit, the body is very resistant to put on fat and you can pig out for a number of days before fat starts to accumulate -possibly because the hormones enabling fat storage have been downregulated in the meantime.
What do you guys think?
Buy the book you skinflint. ;D
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I don't know about this. One time my dad decided to butcher some of our chickens. The were Banty's. If you know anything about chickens, Bantam chickens are rather small. These were small and old. After all the work to kill, pluck and clean them, we couldn't eat them. Little old chickens cooked on the barbecue are as tough as a rubber tire. Who knows what they tasted like. What a waste. I'll get my chicken from the market, thank you.
I'm talking wild salmon or deer....not these gay little SUCKMYMUSCLE chickens you grew up manhandling.
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Firstly, for all we know this stuff is "patterned" after Special Forces training like The Exorcist is based on a true story; secondly, even if the patterning is there, it is probably a sad simulacrum of what the real guys do (and probably necessarily so); and thirdly, what's certain is that it serves as a beacon for gun queers and other military culture-obsessed types who want to make-believe they are anything approximating the real deal in order to feel, well, special, some of the most obnoxious people on the planet -- invariably white douchenozzles pathetically trying to emulate the real guys' sunglasses, minimalist wear, and hairstyle in a civilian context (Spec Ops at the grocery store!), except with more mean mugging.
this post is plutonium grade meltdown bait and 1000% true
well done, syntax!
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Verses animals being raised in horrid conditions to be slaughtered and then sold for meat? Not seeing where youre going with this bro. Are you completely against killing of animals for food? If anything, hunting and harvesting your own meat is by far the more moral, ethical way to acquire meat (no homo.) sure, go ahead and hate on "trophy hunting" if you feel strongly, it's not my cup of tea either, but hunting 1 deer in an overpopulated deer area each year is a GOOD thing.
The deer that I kill every fall is a mature adult. If I didn't kill it, it would be killed at some point by another animal predator. Also factor in the overpopulation of deer where I am and how the fish and game department wildlife biologists practically beg people to hunt to keep numbers controlled because there are so many human deaths caused by vehicle accidents from deer.
Hunting meltdown.
obviously it's not "badass" to kill an animal with a gun, as opposed to, say, in hand-to-paw combat.
pop another provigil and lay off the books for a while, stud, this post was a cringe-worthy whiff.
(purely looking out for you, bro)
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Firstly, for all we know this stuff is "patterned" after Special Forces training like The Exorcist is based on a true story; secondly, even if the patterning is there, it is probably a sad simulacrum of what the real guys do (and probably necessarily so); and thirdly, what's certain is that it serves as a beacon for gun queers and other military culture-obsessed types who want to make-believe they are anything approximating the real deal in order to feel, well, special, some of the most obnoxious people on the planet -- invariably white douchenozzles pathetically trying to emulate the real guys' sunglasses, minimalist wear, and hairstyle in a civilian context (Spec Ops at the grocery store!), except with more mean mugging.
dont forget airshit and gearqueers.
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obviously it's not "badass" to kill an animal with a gun, as opposed to, say, in hand-to-paw combat.
pop another provigil and lay off the books for a while, stud, this post was a cringe-worthy whiff.
(purely looking out for you, bro)
You're an idiot. Hunting and fishing for your food is an absolute blast, especially if youre with your buddies. Sorry you never got the opportunity to grow up with these experiences. "badass", "fun", "rewarding"....call it whatever you want pal, It's a damn good time and great economical way to fill your freezer with lean protein.
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You're an idiot. Hunting and fishing for your food is an absolute blast, especially if youre with your buddies. Sorry you never got the opportunity to grow up with these experiences. "badass", "fun", "rewarding"....call it whatever you want pal, It's a damn good time and great economical way to fill your freezer with lean protein.
Serious question, I have no deer in this fight...how economical is it. What does is cost to go fishing on a charter as opposed to what you take home. Same with the hunting. I'm curious.
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You're an idiot. Hunting and fishing for your food is an absolute blast, especially if youre with your buddies. Sorry you never got the opportunity to grow up with these experiences. "badass", "fun", "rewarding"....call it whatever you want pal, It's a damn good time and great economical way to fill your freezer with lean protein.
haha relax chiro
i'm on your side!
i don't disagree with anything you wrote about hunting, just pointing out, that was a huge whiff
unfortunately, you've done it again (and no, "badass", "fun", and "rewarding" are not synonyms)
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haha relax chiro
i'm on your side!
i don't disagree with anything you wrote, just pointing out, that was a huge whiff
unfortunately, you've done it again (and no, "badass", "fun", and "rewarding" are not synonyms)
I'm not familiar with the term "huge whiff" ???
You seem very concerned with my terminology, talk about nit picking, WOW! God help your soul if you should ever happen across a Galeniko post.
You must be bored tonight no?
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I'm not familiar with the term "huge whiff" ???
You seem very concerned with my terminology, talk about nit picking, WOW! God help your soul if you should ever happen across a Galeniko post.
You must be bored tonight no?
;D
tired and brain dead after a long day.
huge whiff may be substituted with the term "air ball", and yes, i have noticed quite the fast-and-looseness with galeniko's particulars lately
i take his posts with more kosher salt than you use to preserve your freshly slain venison :D
ps would love to go kill some fresh meat with you some day (no homo of course)
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Serious question, I have no deer in this fight...how economical is it. What does is cost to go fishing on a charter as opposed to what you take home. Same with the hunting. I'm curious.
Let me try to copy a PM, I've had 2 others ask me this same thing today. Its funny I'm like the hunting/fishing expert here all of a sudden lol....I'm not an outdoors fanatic by any stretch, but it's a fun time and I get more excited about the thought of stocking up my freezer than about actually chasing animals around.
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Let me try to copy a PM, I've had 2 others ask me this same thing today. Its funny I'm like the hunting/fishing expert here all of a sudden lol....I'm not an outdoors fanatic by any stretch, but it's a fun time and I get more excited about the thought of stocking up my freezer than about actually chasing animals around.
I'm sure you get excited when a big buck with an "8 pointer" crosses your path....stud :D
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I'm sure you get excited when a big buck with an "8 pointer" crosses your path....stud :D
You know me...I can hardy keep the loin cloth on as I'm chucking spears :D
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chiro randomly massacring little fluffy bunny rabbits in this thread
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chiro randomly massacring little fluffy bunny rabbits in this thread
My emotional journey as I read your post and contemplated:
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My emotional journey as I read your post and contemplated:
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( ??? :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :( :( :( :'( :'( :'(
haha
if im ever over your way we can re enact deer hunter apart from the russian roullette
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haha
if im ever over your way we can re enact deer hunter apart from the russian roullette
I gladly welcome you and fellow countryman BigCyp over to the last frontier on earth, Alaska, for a weekend of hunting, fishing, and male bonding. I have attached a memo below:
Manhood Camping Firequest. Lookin' for a 100% for real bros to share/experience manhood in all its glory. This is for real, I don't want to waste my time or yours. 100% JO and manhood, no sugar added. I AM NOT GAY. Don't even think this is a sex thing, it's all about manhood.
Looking for bros to head into the woods and bond by fire, experience life as men once lived it, JO circle, and fire/vision quests.
THIS IS NOT A SEX THING.
Gonna need some basic things/skills, I don't want to be slowed down by fools:
- must be in reasonable shape, if you get winded walking then stay home
- Ed Hardy camping gear, it's really good gear and it's awesome
- desire to be a man among men
- not afraid to wield a blade
- crystal, I'm not sharing mine
- must be able to make a fire
- gloves
- a knowledge of native vegetation (knowledge of psychotropic fungus a plus)
- knowledge of modern music
- protective/splash resistant eye wear
- 5 - 10 of those clip things that rock climbers use
We are gonna need a mobile music device, ipod or something. I'm bringing the music for the firequests and visionquests, Nickleback's The Long Road. I only have it on CD, so I'll have my discman as a last resort, an ipod would be nicer. Just sayin'.
Dont' want to see"
- bad attitudes
- gay/homoerotic behavior, this is a manhood thing. I AM NOT GAY.
- cock rings, can't keep it up w/o help, you aren't gonna make it on this quest
- firearms, there's gonna be enough guns going off and spent shells to pick up
- the nerds/dorks/lames/and anyone less than 100% into manhood.
If you are serious, then I promise you this will be the trip of your life. It will change the way you think. I'm serious, and I AM NOT GAY. To see a group of bros being men, a JO circle by a camp fire. The charge/energy in the air. Crystals get jacked, no lie. You will slip into a different frame of mind, you will feel electric.
Last outing, we had a group that was so charged we attracted bears. It was no deal, nature knew man was in the forest, the crystals gave us the confidence to own those bears. I saw it, I was there.
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I can see why gal hates carbs.
Fructose is a cortisol booster
A diet containing large amounts of fructose is even more unhealthy than you probably realised. Fructose not only leads to gradual weight increase, it also boosts the activity of the stress hormone cortisol. Serbian biochemists have demonstrated this effect in rats that were given fructose water to drink.
http://www.ergo-log.com/fructose-is-a-cortisol-booster.html
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Low-carb diet doesn't mean loss of muscle mass or strength
Gymnasts who want to lose weight can safely follow a low-carb diet. This won't cost them their strength or explosiveness, researchers at the University of Padua in Italy discovered. According to the Italians, gymnasts who follow a low-carb diet for a month lose one and a half kg of body fat and also build up a small amount of lean body mass.
http://www.ergo-log.com/low-carb-diet-doesn-t-mean-loss-of-muscle-mass-or-strength.html
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im trying to register online with western union but they want to a few days to verify my details, any way to cirumvent this?
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I'm pretty much in line with what No One and Gal say.
These are my principles:
1. don't cheat on the diet. If you get X amount of calories, then only eat that. Cheating because you think you need to top up the tank with more calories is bullshit justification for weakness. Suffer and get there. Do or do not.
2. the amount of meals you eat isn't really relevant. 'It's calories in vs calories out. Eat them all at once, or space it out and eat 20 meals a day if you like. It won't matter. The body is a marvelous machine that will adapt to absorb what it needs to survive and thrive. And when you're dieting, your body wants to survive. It will preserve muscle and shed fat. That's why your body has fat in the first place...to keep you alive when you starve.
3. do it quick. Don't pussy foot around. Do the job, get in and get out. Focus on the goal, and get to point A from point B as fast as you can reasonably do it. Diet as quickly as you can. Humans wane in their passion for long-term goals - that is the inevitability of human nature. Appreciate this; set a lofty goal and chase it down with all of your passion and power.
4. food choices don't matter for physique composition. Now, some guys like typical bb'ing foods because it keeps them regimented and it's easy to plan and cook. This is a mental choice...not a physical one. Some guys like different foods because it allows them to taste foods they like and they feel they can control caloric intake even if they eat non-traditional foods (like TA). If you can be disciplined in this approach, great. If not, then just pick a dozen food sources and stick to them. It really doesn't matter physically. What matters is that you can stick to it, and not deviate. That is the best plan. You know your weaknesses and triggers best. Choose the approach that allows you to master your triggers that cause you to deviate. Some guys can't eat just a few potato chips or a small bowl of ice cream or a single bottle of beer without going hog wild -- for you guys, eat bb'ing foods. For those of you who find that little tastes of non-traditional bb'ing foods allows you to hold to a steady caloric intake, then do it. This is purely an emotional and mental issue...it will not affect physique composition to any material extent. Stop convincing yourself otherwise and open up to new ways of thinking.
5. You don't need 500g of protein per day. You might like eating that much, but you don't need that much. Stop rationalizing your thought processes. Test yourself and see what happens. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
6. There are no "bad foods". There is only too much, or not enough. Not enough, and you lose fat. Too much, and you gain fat.
7. Live life. Bodybuilding should complement your life, not run it. Be a human. Enjoy all that humanity has to offer. Don't ostracize yourself from friends and family because your tupperware won't travel. Is that really "living"? Is your end goal really to be a slave to the Foreman grill and a tupperware container?
8. Training doesn't matter all that much, in terms of what program you're doing. Your body will develop to its potential as long as you are consistently in the gym. Ergo, choose programs that allow you to consistently hit the gym. Don't lift stupid and get injured. Don't burn out on ridiculously long or intense programs. Don't get bored with training. Change it up not to shock the muscles (that's pretty stupid); change it up to keep you interested. The more consistent you are with hitting the gym regularly without getting hurt or burning out, the closer you'll come to achieving the best you can.
9. Don't waste time with cardio. Do it if you like, for sure. But it doesn't burn all that many calories. Lift some more weights and burn more calories. You probably like lifting weights more than walking on a treadmill anyways. And if you must do cardio, do something productive. Cut the grass; go take a walk with your wife and talk to her; go run around with the kids; play a game of tennis with an old friend. Have a life for christ's sake.
10. Don't over-complicate it. When you get crazy with excel spreadsheets planning out your training and diet plans, you've gone too far. It's not rocket science. Consistency yields 99% of the results you're after. The rest is just mental masturbation. Own your shit.
bump for this post especially the bolding.
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I'm talking wild salmon or deer....not these gay little SUCKMYMUSCLE chickens you grew up manhandling.
Lol I just noticed this little gem. Fucking classic! :D
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yes paypal ;D pm if still interested
agree, but this doesnt mean one must live the glutonic lifestyle to enjoy it ;D
Balance is the key to an enjoyable life.
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Balance is the key to an enjoyable life.
you such an idiot. trolling about something you know nothing about. again. being stupid is just par for the course for you it seems. I shouldnt be so surprised actually.
this diet actually creates freedom. freedom from eating every 3 hours. freedom from being locked into eating only certain foods. freedom from being fat. freedom to eat the food you enjoy. freedom from cardio. freedom from poor energy levels.
we get you have no interest in bettering yourself judging from the way you've let yourself go and slipped into slovenliness.
but there are others here who want to look good, want to lose fat, and this diet will allow more freedom than any other diet.
funny the only thing you look like you know about balance is how to balance a Big Mac combo on your stomach while reaching for your remote for the TV.
keep up the good work, fatbody. I enjoy the free promotion at your expense.
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you such an idiot. trolling about something you know nothing about. again. being stupid is just par for the course for you it seems. I shouldnt be so surprised actually.
this diet actually creates freedom. freedom from eating every 3 hours. freedom from being locked into eating only certain foods. freedom from being fat. freedom to eat the food you enjoy. freedom from cardio. freedom from poor energy levels.
we get you have no interest in bettering yourself judging from the way you've let yourself go and slipped into slovenliness.
but there are others here who want to look good, want to lose fat, and this diet will allow more freedom than any other diet.
funny the only thing you look like you know about balance is how to balance a Big Mac combo on your stomach while reaching for your remote for the TV.
keep up the good work, fatbody. I enjoy the free promotion at your expense.
Says the guy who preps 3 days to go to a pool party.
Keep it up loser.
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thanks!
will do!
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you such an idiot. trolling about something you know nothing about. again. being stupid is just par for the course for you it seems. I shouldnt be so surprised actually.
this diet actually creates freedom. freedom from eating every 3 hours. freedom from being locked into eating only certain foods. freedom from being fat. freedom to eat the food you enjoy. freedom from cardio. freedom from poor energy levels.
we get you have no interest in bettering yourself judging from the way you've let yourself go and slipped into slovenliness.
but there are others here who want to look good, want to lose fat, and this diet will allow more freedom than any other diet.
funny the only thing you look like you know about balance is how to balance a Big Mac combo on your stomach while reaching for your remote for the TV.
keep up the good work, fatbody. I enjoy the free promotion at your expense.
That sounds amazing. You just forgot the juice part. That 10% makes all of the difference.
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That sounds amazing. You just forgot the juice part. That 10% makes all of the difference.
um, no.
educate yourself.
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Lol I just noticed this little gem. Fucking classic! :D
Thank you brother :D
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thanks!
will do!
um, no.
educate yourself.
What, no epic full page mouth foaming ranting responses?
Are you finally admitting defeat or have you twigged you are being trolled? ;)
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Says the guy who preps 3 days to go to a pool party.
Keep it up loser.
haha who the fuck preps 3 dsys to go to a pool party. Monster insecurity problems. No way no one does thst...i hope =D
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haha who the fuck preps 3 dsys to go to a pool party. Monster insecurity problems. No way no one does thst...i hope =D
Its hilarious isnt it, here is the full post, i bolded his 'pool party prep'
thanks randy, quick and phreak for your feedback. fucking awesome to see you guys love the book.
I actually really enjoy reading it. I've gone thru it several times. I like the way gal and I balance eachother. he's got this 'way' of talking that's fucking funny. that's why we didnt run this thru any kind of spell check/ diction/ grammar program the thing would have bad a meltdown. plus it makes the book entertaining. a fun type of read. my writing is too stiff. serious. gal has humour. that's the whole idea. I'm pretty sure you can pick out what gals written and what I have. I'd much rather read a book in gal speak.
I learned something from this weekend. do everything that I did to peak on the day of the event (sunday) a day earlier. run a cal deficit right till Friday night instead of Saturday. take in my big cal meal Friday night. get up hammer out on saturday am whatever body parts I hit Sunday am instead. stay fasted all day crush another big cal meal Saturday night. get up not train and bingo! supercompensation for Sunday. in a typical pre contest you need to deplete for several days, and start loading up on food for 72-48 hours before to the tune of sometimes as much as 1.5k carbs over the 3 days depending on your lean tissue. I found none of this necessary. just run the deficit till 36 hours before you event. take in 1500 shit cals or so - you don't need much- train 24 hours before event, fast till that night and hit another 1500-2k the night before event and control your water intake and BAM! when you wake up don't eat and head out. your stomach will be tight your abs sucked in and you'll be full but not watery full. watery full isnt good. you want density/ dry full.
I tried to peak for a day on that day. big mistake. I missed it by a day. all the training and food needs to be done 24 hours before not the day of.
mind you this is just for a pool party or photo shoot. not a pre contest peak. it'd be a little more complex but not a lot. we've got our first personal training client. he's going his second physique show in 12 weeks. we'll bring him in slightly differently for that but not by much. the one thing is for certain- the better shape your in, the fewer adjustments need to be made as I found out this weekend. :)g
cheers everyone thanks for the positive feedback and not positive feedback. both are equally motivating.
Strange thing was nobody else really jumped on him for this lunacy, so that means we have a board full of narcissist's who see this has acceptable or a board full of shit scared assholes who are frightened to be shouted at by the big bellowing "no one"
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To each his own...
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Lol, 'no one' is a big pussyhole.
Only on the internet would he ever be seen as someone worth talking to. The guys spouts absolute broscience gibberish and is obsessed with how he looks - borderline mental illness if you ask me.
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Its hilarious isnt it, here is the full post, i bolded his 'pool party prep'
Strange thing was nobody else really jumped on him for this lunacy, so that means we have a board full of narcissist's who see this has acceptable or a board full of shit scared assholes who are frightened to be shouted at by the big bellowing "no one"
So I should have less respect for men who do it to look good for women (a man's biological raison d'etre) than for a man who does it for a plastic trophy in front of homersexuals? How about I don't give a shit about either one of those reasons, just about the efficacy of the tools used?
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you such an idiot. trolling about something you know nothing about. again. being stupid is just par for the course for you it seems. I shouldnt be so surprised actually.
this diet actually creates freedom. freedom from eating every 3 hours. freedom from being locked into eating only certain foods. freedom from being fat. freedom to eat the food you enjoy. freedom from cardio. freedom from poor energy levels.
we get you have no interest in bettering yourself judging from the way you've let yourself go and slipped into slovenliness.
but there are others here who want to look good, want to lose fat, and this diet will allow more freedom than any other diet.
funny the only thing you look like you know about balance is how to balance a Big Mac combo on your stomach while reaching for your remote for the TV.
keep up the good work, fatbody. I enjoy the free promotion at your expense.
you are as previously admitted a human pin cushion
a slave to the needle so to speak
and now you have turned into a sanctimonious idiot
chill the fuck out cup cake
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Lol, 'no one' is a big pussyhole.
Only on the internet would he ever be seen as someone worth talking to. The guys spouts absolute broscience gibberish and is obsessed with how he looks - borderline mental illness if you ask me.
thanks bro appreciate the constructive feedback!
I see ukbeth is still sore over the mockery I make of him in front of the whole board. very nice.
your right deutsch, some guys train to look good for broads. other like Jeffry here like to spend their time posing and grunting in a thong and baby oil in front of a roll full of men. I'm not saying he's gay, but anyone who wears a chain like that has to be compensating for something. hahaha what's with the chain there Tito anyway? you don't happen to own a late model camero too do you?
anyway I'm going to another pool party Sunday. there'll be prolly 2k people. for those following at home who actually care abt how good they look I'm trying a different load this time. if I hit it right ill post up how I did it here. this one is a bit of a gamble. we'll see what happens.
have a great day everyone!
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thanks bro appreciate the constructive feedback!
I see ukbeth is still sore over the mockery I make of him in front of the whole board. very nice.
your right deutsch, some guys train to look good for broads. other like Jeffry here like to spend their time posing and grunting in a thong and baby oil in front of a roll full of men. I'm not saying he's gay, but anyone who wears a chain like that has to be compensating for something. hahaha what's with the chain there Tito anyway? you don't happen to own a late model camero too do you?
anyway I'm going to another pool party Sunday. there'll be prolly 2k people. for those following at home who actually care abt how good they look I'm trying a different load this time. if I hit it right ill post up how I did it here. this one is a bit of a gamble. we'll see what happens.
have a great day everyone!
Where the fuck is a pool party that has 2,000 people ???
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Where the fuck is a pool party that has 2,000 people ???
Vegas?
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No one gonna look like a ripped badass with that ice cold corona chillin' in his right hand.
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Where the fuck is a pool party that has 2,000 people ???
cabana pool bar, toronto.
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cabana pool bar, toronto.
Oh.lol, isn't it winter already up there ??? ;D
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We have been in the 90's for the past month.
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No one gonna look like a ripped badass with that ice cold corona chillin' in his right hand.
holy shit! how you know this?! hahaha awesome cheers dude!
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thanks bro appreciate the constructive feedback!
I see ukbeth is still sore over the mockery I make of him in front of the whole board. very nice.
your right deutsch, some guys train to look good for broads. other like Jeffry here like to spend their time posing and grunting in a thong and baby oil in front of a roll full of men. I'm not saying he's gay, but anyone who wears a chain like that has to be compensating for something. hahaha what's with the chain there Tito anyway? you don't happen to own a late model camero too do you?
anyway I'm going to another pool party Sunday. there'll be prolly 2k people. for those following at home who actually care abt how good they look I'm trying a different load this time. if I hit it right ill post up how I did it here. this one is a bit of a gamble. we'll see what happens.
have a great day everyone!
Me , sore? ;D
Posing in a room full of men?
Don't you remember competing in a bodybuilding contest and coming second?
Maybe you have blanked it out , a narcissist would of course, failure simply isn't an option.
2k people?
How bigs the fucking pool?
Just imagine how much piss you will be wading through FFS
Nobody gives a fuck about how you are going to prep, oh some will pretend to be interested (the pussies I mentioned earlier), but they wont try anything you suggest, at least not to go swimming.
What a jerk
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Oh.lol, isn't it winter already up there ??? ;D
winter just ended 2 weeks ago and will be back in 2 weeks time :D
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We have been in the 90's for the past month.
Epic slip up by "no ones" gimmick log on.
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Nice try...
This is no gimmick for anyone.
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Nice try...
This is no gimmick for anyone.
You are a fair way up his arse for someone with 19 posts
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Me , sore? ;D
Posing in a room full of men?
Don't you remember competing in a bodybuilding contest and coming second?
Maybe you have blanked it out , a narcissist would of course, failure simply isn't an option.
2k people?
How bigs the fucking pool?
Just imagine how much piss you will be wading through FFS
Nobody gives a fuck about how you are going to prep, oh some will pretend to be interested (the pussies I mentioned earlier), but they wont try anything you suggest, at least not to go swimming.
What a jerk
'jerk'? hahahaha calm down sparky your getting a little carried away with the insults. lol
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How do you find me up anyones arse?
becuase some things you post I dont agree with? i like to give my opinion, see the Cswol thread.
a reference was made to toronto. where i lvie and I chimed in abotu the weather , so what?
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winter just ended 2 weeks ago and will be back in 2 weeks time :D
I'm headed down to Myrtle Beach next month...dude it will be crazy hot that time of year..90's and humid.
I'll be in the ocean or bars all week :)
...good thing is even if I'm not in good shape{I will be!}I'll still look better then all the fat rednecks ;D
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'jerk'? hahahaha calm down sparky your getting a little carried away with the insults. lol
Yawn...you are just so predictable now
You just gloss over the points I make and try and move the thread along hoping people wont notice.
Its a gay thing when I compete but OK for you.
hahahahahah........
Dont worry big guy, people still think you are "the man", the numbers are dwindling though. ;)
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How do you find me up anyones arse?
becuase some things you post I dont agree with? i like to give my opinion, see the Cswol thread.
a reference was made to toronto. where i lvie and I chimed in abotu the weather , so what?
Calm down , your typing is all over the place.
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holy shit! how you know this?! hahaha awesome cheers dude!
A corona would blow all his hard work, he will have a corona bottle filled with distilled water walking around like a peacock while everyone laughs when he walks past.
This guy will get more pussy than a puffed up peacock.
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No one is so insecure, he makes a 3 day diet 'plan' when he has a doctors appointment, just in case he has to lift up his shirt during the examination oh brother.
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No one is so insecure, he makes a 3 day diet 'plan' when he has a doctors appointment, just in case he has to lift up his shirt during the examination oh brother.
he used to be a really good poster
but he seems to think he is some sort of superstar now
and that everyone should be kissing his ass
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he used to be a really good poster
but he seems to think he is some sort of superstar now
and that everyone should be kissing his ass
Yes bigmc, he was a solid getbigger in times past.
However he has now crossed that dangerous boundary that separates forum fun, to serious internet business. There is no hope for him to return now, he has climed too high up the ladder of imagined self-importance.
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Its hilarious isnt it, here is the full post, i bolded his 'pool party prep'
Strange thing was nobody else really jumped on him for this lunacy, so that means we have a board full of narcissist's who see this has acceptable or a board full of shit scared assholes who are frightened to be shouted at by the big bellowing "no one"
lol poor dude. Ok if he was like 18 years old but when he is in his 40s (? ) it feels kind of meh
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lol poor dude. Ok if he was like 18 years old but when he is in his 40s (? ) it feels kind of meh
Exactly, everyone seeks validation from others at 18, but if you are not comfortable with how you look in your 40s then you are fucked.
Just think how many spur of the moment opportunities he's going to pass up on because of his insecurities.
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How do you find me up anyones arse?
becuase some things you post I dont agree with? i like to give my opinion, see the Cswol thread.
a reference was made to toronto. where i lvie and I chimed in abotu the weather , so what?
everything ukbeth does is a popularity contest. he reeks of insecurity and needs this validation. he needs to be liked on here most likely cause in real life he's an inept tool with no social skills as he so aptly demonstrates here. can't be his own man. that's why it bothers him so much people a) don't support him when I mock him and b) when others agree with what I say.
a sad existence I shouldnt take pleasure in but for some reason I do if for no other reason that his personality causes him to bring it all on himself.
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I'm headed down to Myrtle Beach next month...dude it will be crazy hot that time of year..90's and humid.
I'll be in the ocean or bars all week :)
...good thing is even if I'm not in good shape{I will be!}I'll still look better then all the fat rednecks ;D
haha ya that's why it's always a great wake up call partying in LV everyone there is a 10. at wet republic the women are so flawless they look airbrushed.
enjoy your vacation sir! well deserved! I've heard good things about myrtle beach but have yet to go. sounds like a fun time. might have to put that on the radar for sure.
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Yawn...you are just so predictable now
You just gloss over the points I make and try and move the thread along hoping people wont notice.
Its a gay thing when I compete but OK for you.
hahahahahah........
Dont worry big guy, people still think you are "the man", the numbers are dwindling though. ;)
oh I'm not worried sunshine. I'll show you my pm box sometime. see, unlike you, I help people. I help then reach their absolute potentials. in return I get countless pm's thanking me, asking me for advise, just saying hey man thanks I love your posts. all the while all you do is troll with hate and bitterness. lol
I come here to bust balls and help people. this is my playground. I use it on my terms. I don't need to be liked. I help out of the goodness of my heart. this isn't a popularity contest for me. I don't need to be liked on here, unlike you. lol
fuck dude you reek of hatred. how do you even go thru life like that? I know where it comes from I'm just wondering if you see it or not. don't say it's just trolling cause you invest way to much in it for it to be just fun. you have an emotional attachment (anger hatred bitterness) to everything you say. must suck to be you dude.
lol wow.
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oh I'm not worried sunshine. I'll show you my pm box sometime. see, unlike you, I help people. I help then reach their absolute potentials. in return I get countless pm's thanking me, asking me for advise, just saying hey man thanks I love your posts. all the while all you do is troll with hate and bitterness. lol
I come here to bust balls and help people. this is my playground. I use it on my terms. I don't need to be liked. I help out of the goodness of my heart. this isn't a popularity contest for me. I don't need to be liked on here, unlike you. lol
fuck dude you reek of hatred. how do you even go thru life like that? I know where it comes from I'm just wondering if you see it or not. don't say it's just trolling cause you invest way to much in it for it to be just fun. you have an emotional attachment (anger hatred bitterness) to everything you say. must suck to be you dude.
lol wow.
And yet is still totally blind to the people laughing and criticising him.
Dude you are so narcissistic I really believe you simply don't see it as opposed to see it and ignore it.
You talk about hatred?
I couldn't give the slightest fuck about you or what you do, IM TROLLING YOU, how many tImes do you need telling FFS.
You bite at every post with an essay on how you don't give a fuck.
You give a fuck more than anyone on this forum, thats why I troll you.
Do you not get it yet?
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Layne Norton on low cal diets (see the comment section at http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2013/07/23/straight-talk-about-serious-dieting/):
Layne Norton says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:02 pm - Reply
while the term ‘metabolic damage’ is certainly a misnomer (no damage occurs to the cells) metabolic adaptation is very well documented as is the massive regain period that follows severe caloric restriction. It makes me disappointed that a lecturer would have such a limited view of fat loss. Severe caloric restriction not only produces physical but psychological emphasis for massive weight regain and even pushing further past origional bodyfat setpoints. For a fantastic review of why low calorie dieting is not a long term solution I would encourage everyone to read the following review by a great lab at the University of Colorado.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174765/
This honestly looks like the typical article I find from coaches who defer blame to clients and just accuse them of ‘not being tough enough.’ In my opinion, a complete cop out for not being able to produce long term changes in body composition
This article on suppversity also details things nicely: http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/07/do-chronic-energy-deficits-make.html
The gal/no one principles are the best thing that happened to me with regard to dieting. Lost 7 kg in 4 weeks after switching from a 2000-2500 kcal diet (protein + fat only) through which I dropped 6 kg during a longer time frame.
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;D
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;D
Who is this athlete?
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Who is this athlete?
Its gal 5 minutes after hes come off his diet.
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WHAT do you think about providing about 600-800 calories per day from such cocktails: 5 cocktails per day for a total of: 559 calories, 57 grams protein, 72 grams of carbon and 13 grams of fat. Can I be on that reduce or throw it to hell and eat the same protein type 8 whole eggs a day and three steaks?
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A corona would blow all his hard work, he will have a corona bottle filled with distilled water walking around like a peacock while everyone laughs when he walks past.
This guy will get more pussy than a puffed up peacock.
that bloke on the sothern comfort ad is awesome
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Gal/no one can we talk more about appetite suppresants to help deal with the hunger?
I know gal uses nicotine.
Other options:
-diet soda
-big glass of water
-find something to keep busy
- nap (I found this works well)
What else is there?
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Gal/no one can we talk more about appetite suppresants to help deal with the hunger?
I know gal uses nicotine.
Other options:
-diet soda
-big glass of water
-find something to keep busy
- nap (I found this works well)
What else is there?
I started a thread you can take a look through but at the end of the day, if you don't have the will power absolutely nothing will work.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=420190.0
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mt2,
a liter of hot coffee.
looking at obese people
;D
every time when I see grotesques female :P I can't eat for a day >:(
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I started a thread you can take a look through but at the end of the day, if you don't have the will power absolutely nothing will work.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=420190.0
Thanks.
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massively fat people could not wipe their arses, arms a just too short ;D ;D
just think (imagine) about that :P :P :P appetite instantly goes away ;) ;) ;)
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Gal,
Any input with regards to the loading phase as i posted on OTH's thread?
There is a war going on there lol. Already had a great input from OTH and i hope to learn from u and noone as well.
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So far I noticed the longer you go without eating ( talkin 20hrs plus) the less hungry you are. Just end up eating because of lite headedness and avoidance of catabolism.
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So far I noticed the longer you go without eating ( talkin 20hrs plus) the less hungry you are. Just end up eating because of lite headedness and avoidance of catabolism.
my longest was 15 hours and that was it, I could not handle any longer. Mind you this is the first time I am doing this type of diet so it is a bit of shock for body but results are great so far.
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So far I noticed the longer you go without eating ( talkin 20hrs plus) the less hungry you are. Just end up eating because of lite headedness and avoidance of catabolism.
yup. i noticed i can roll off 24-28 hrs np. then i get hungry. like to the point it all you think about until you eat. now im at a point whre since i know its not going to go away i'll just eat. gives my mind some peace, and honestly there has to be a demand for cals at this point for so really grinding out 6 more hrs or so if im already running a 1kcal defecit at least a day isnt worth the non stop thinking of food.
gal said it best above, and we address it in the book- first and formeost is willpower. i havent had willpower for 2 weeks and have been eating everything under the sun. and its has really taken a toll. the good part is i think willpower and just not wanting to be fat go hand in hand :D
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my longest was 15 hours and that was it, I could not handle any longer. Mind you this is the first time I am doing this type of diet so it is a bit of shock for body but results are great so far.
you'll fidnt he more your body acclimates to the diet the longer your fasted periods will go. i *can* go upwards of the high 30's now but like i said above the trade off is doing nothing but thinmking about food for the last 6-8 hrs of them. not worth the fighting.
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you'll fidnt he more your body acclimates to the diet the longer your fasted periods will go. i *can* go upwards of the high 30's now but like i said above the trade off is doing nothing but thinmking about food for the last 6-8 hrs of them. not worth the fighting.
Im guessing that you and gal dont have labor intensive jobs. There is no way you can go 20+ hours without food, when you are busting ass at a job.
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Im guessing that you and gal dont have labor intensive jobs. There is no way you can go 20+ hours without food, when you are busting ass at a job.
your body adapts, i find it easier to starve when busy working hard. When just sitting around its torture
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i do have intense job, and work out every day, thatll be intense enough, the record was 60hrs.
but yeah somewhere at 24hrs it becomes extremly hard, but a job helps actually to get over it, you wouldnt know you have not been to the twilight zone, its worse than drug withdrawals, its worse than not having alc for a while(to make it understandable for you), but the work keeps you busy, helps forgetting the hungers.
while just sitting at home doing nothing, fasting will make you go crazy.
the mental barrier is somewhere 24hrs, the physical is def somewhere after 48hrs, hell looking back i ask myself how i managed 60.
but 30 seems best for me, reward-wise.
it also has to be some period which just avoids you from having a huge binge next meal, the longer the fast ,the more one risks a binge later on, wont work so well the binge, for the stomach will be all sucked in.
Well Ill be damned! A reply from Gal that wasnt wishing me dead. There might be hope for you yet. :)
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haha, nah, you know, when we emailed back and forth, and i was almost going crazy for food, then i read you email you said youre 30hrs in, then i went like "damn damn, this is impressive, ill do another day of no food ,then"
PSSST Gal...hes full of shit.
Next time "No one or OTH posts remember this little song
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Gal/no one can we talk more about appetite suppresants to help deal with the hunger?
I know gal uses nicotine.
Other options:
-diet soda
-big glass of water
-find something to keep busy
- nap (I found this works well)
What else is there?
I've found that a bit of planning and a commitment solves this problem. Most people, especially the obese, take a slapdash approach, and do a lot of impulse eating.
In the OTH thread, he knew exactly what he was gonna eat, and that was it. The hunger pains will come and go. It's not like you're gonna starve to death.
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galeniko please reply to the message
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yah i will, but i thought you were taking the piss, you said send the book,lol, but didnt ask where to pay haha ;D
Please write where you can send, I wrote that I come from Polish and here your book is not available
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i havent had willpower for 2 weeks and have been eating everything under the sun. and its has really taken a toll. the good part is i think willpower and just not wanting to be fat go hand in hand :D
That fat is such a pain in the ass to take off but way too easy to put back on. :(
Please write where you can send, I wrote that I come from Polish and here your book is not available
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That fat is such a pain in the ass to take off but way too easy to put back on. :(
;D
and then hard to take back off again wtf! :D
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and then hard to take back off again wtf! :D
Post a pic fat ass.
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I mentioned earlier that to get hunger to go away I sometimes take nap. You guys ever do this? The sometimes you have a dream about eating a big cheat meal then think oh no then wake up and be glad it's just a dream. 8)
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I mentioned earlier that to get hunger to go away I sometimes take nap. You guys ever do this? The sometimes you have a dream about eating a big cheat meal then think oh no then wake up and be glad it's just a dream. 8)
no for sure. I'll go to bed starving and wake up not hungry at all. I've gone an extra 18 hrs like this. good point.
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Also noticed another good thing. After 15+ hrs of not eating, when it is time to eat you're not as picky. Chicken breast and brokkli sounds good when starving.
Also to help with dieting I suggest getting a wok and make stir fry. Tons of veggies, chicken breast, olive oil and some low carb sauce.
My usual recipe:
Chicken breast
Brokkli
Celery
Zucchini
Red yellow and green frozen sliced peppers
Green onion
Jalapeño
Diced or freeze dried garlic
Little olive oil
Teriyaki sauce (make sure low carb. About 3 g per serving. Don't need much.)
And sometimes a little oyster sauce.
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Going to bed hungry is a big part of weight loss IMO. Gal if you could go to bed hungry and with an empty stomach imagine how much more shredded you could get; and how much more pussys you would make wet at the beach. 8)
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you'll fidnt he more your body acclimates to the diet the longer your fasted periods will go. i *can* go upwards of the high 30's now but like i said above the trade off is doing nothing but thinmking about food for the last 6-8 hrs of them. not worth the fighting.
apart from this have you made any other adjustment in your diet since you started it a few months ago? Is your average daily intake still around 1000 calories or have you increased it? Have you achieved your body fat goal? If so I assume you are now in maintenance mode?
I also remember you said that binge days 'Gal Style' with up to 10,000 calories was not working well for you, what is your calories intake on those days now and how often do you have those days?
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you'll fidnt he more your body acclimates to the diet the longer your fasted periods will go. i *can* go upwards of the high 30's now but like i said above the trade off is doing nothing but thinmking about food for the last 6-8 hrs of them. not worth the fighting.
So true. I don't know where I fucked up but my metabolism and glucose control are really poor right now. I ate a box of Smarties at work and felt hungry an hour and a bit later. I ate in the morning after my workout too so close to no fasting. Just ate a 2500 calorie dinner too because I let cravings get the best of me.... I thought go stick my finger down my throat.
Back in the day I could fast for an entire day and feel fine. Really sucks to be on the opposite end of the spectrum. I get hungry shortly after I eat now. Hope to tighten up the diet in September once school is in and things are a lot more structured. :-\
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lol, afaik noone has slightly ;D increased his calorie intake ;D ;D
me myself i ve tried some new stuff for maintenance, i do now less calories in the binges but more frequently.
to bad some new supplement trial has ended bit in a fiasco of water.but who cares, the beach season is def over now, and 1% more fat and bit water will be good, too lean in cold enough weather will get you a flu in no time.
this is mental readyness fading away, it can ahppen to me when weather is shit for long, then i start slipping up.
what i mentioned previously, when going out and refusing the slice of pizza a girl offers you, might be socialy weird, but then you know you got the mindset of nothing can stop me.
the hard part is coming back from the binges to clean food,the body will carzve all things, the sugars, the tasty fats,the sodium.every time the next day is terrible,and the next 2 days are the benchmark whther one will come back or not.
fasting after the binge helps bc stomach will be sucked in and small once its all shit out and if the fast is long enough, youll apreciate a chicken breast again.
nobody says must eat clean at all times, but when even slightly going off, theres a tendency to always slightly go off.
that is why is much easier dieting in hot weather. I can imagine how hard it must be dieting in the middle of the winter in Switzerland, when is really cold and people spend more time indoor watching tv, etc..
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After gym today weight in 169.4 lbs. Only had a protein bar and a single apple before I hit the gym for couple of hours. Great lifting too, busted out 225 x 15 like it was nothing.
When I started the diet in 1st week of June, my daytime weight was around 208-210.
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After gym today weight in 169.4 lbs. Only had a protein bar and a single apple before I hit the gym for couple of hours. Great lifting too, busted out 225 x 15 like it was nothing.
When I started the diet in 1st week of June, my daytime weight was around 208-210.
I used to have something to eat before gym session but since start of this diet, the only thing I have is a small cup of black coffee (espresso). My last meal before gym is around 1pm and gym session is at 6pm.
The difference is amazing. Training on empty stomach is way to go imo.
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yeah, i know, but it ry to make up for it the next day, theres no thing like breakfast, and the first food comes sometime after training.
the benfit of this, i can go train empty stomach but the energy will be there from the before bedtime meal.
indeed.
i mean, yes, wherever you walk, there is some hotdog stand,icecream stand,hell the post service offers swets ands chocolate while waiting in line, mcdonalds by now is one of the healtier choices, but yes if one just cant get off the tasty foods,whats there to say.
ive had eople ask me about diet, things like but can i have atleast bit alcohol at times, alcohol being the worst fatloss enemy out there, and i tell them,well, once weekly saturday clubbing 1 or 2 shots of pure vodka and nothing else will do least damage(lesser evil aproach)
but no, its not poosible,they wanna be some "bonvivants" sipping down beer, sugarwater with prosecco(whore diesel)mixes(the absolute worst imagineable for fatloss).
i have seen ppl who ate maybe 1,2 chicken breast a day and nothing else, but frequently throughout the day little bit alc beverage mixed with sugars,and predictably they got even fatter.
"galeniko,why am i so bloat"etcetc.
or other girl i recently met, i told her she has good face but its too fat for me currently, she must loose atleast 5kgs(11-12lbs_), or else i wouldnt know how to get stiffy looking at her.
so she says she was about to start diet anyway.
she asks if theres a magic pill, i say no, she says she heard otherwise.i say fine do what you want.
sjhe ask if she must train,i say its better if she does, she says she cant, health issues blabla.
then asks what to change on diet,she has to eat at parents place,they shuldnt notice shes dieting etc.
i tel her just eat less, no sodas, she says she "needs" her coke drink few times a day, i say use diet coke instead,she says no that "Bloats" her ::)
then first day into the diet ,she sends me pic of a meal she had, im not shitting you, this, its a swiss "speciality"
http://f.blick.ch/img/incoming/origs2034882/7010488639-w980-h640/Schnipo-Schnippo.jpg
the veggies int hat are total joke, its lipstick on pig theory.
the fries i need not comment, the meat with that carb and fat crust needs no comment either, and that meat isnt just meat inside,its also molten cheese in it.
she said she didnt eat all the fries, so thatll be good for progress,my goodness.
then the next day she "reported" how she only ate half bag of chips, by then i gave up, i told her to have the whole bag, not to unecesarliy restrict herself, diet is about feeling well and all that bs, by now i was taking the piss bc i knew thisll remain an eternal fatso.
i tried to give her a fair chance, but i decided,ill never talk to women who are fat again(unless paid good training fee), instead of wrecking my own nerves trying to forge her into acceptable shape, its better to stick to the ones who already have the body and get away with their food habbits.
today i dated and sexed a lean woman,we went out to eat and she was filled up after few pices of fish and vegies, sthats why shes lean and in shape, shes hasnt developed 4 stomachs like cows have.
cows really have 4 stomachs i heard, and witht the fatsos,i wonder sometimes if they develop new stomachs aswell.
Great post, shows how cluless some people are with the need to use will power and sacrifice. Best to just take the piss to them when they don't listen and say "ok but I gotta have my _" ::)
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goodness, thats some serious weightloss.
i guess the muscle didnt fade away and youre looking much better than before :D
Almost every other day I get comments from people I know about the dramatic weight loss, face appearance change.
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this is mental readyness fading away, it can ahppen to me when weather is shit for long, then i start slipping up.
what i mentioned previously, when going out and refusing the slice of pizza a girl offers you, might be socialy weird, but then you know you got the mindset of nothing can stop me.
the hard part is coming back from the binges to clean food,the body will carzve all things, the sugars, the tasty fats,the sodium.every time the next day is terrible,and the next 2 days are the benchmark whther one will come back or not.
fasting after the binge helps bc stomach will be sucked in and small once its all shit out and if the fast is long enough, youll apreciate a chicken breast again.
nobody says must eat clean at all times, but when even slightly going off, theres a tendency to always slightly go off.
It's actually beyond that. Now my blood sugar drops despite having loaded glycogen stores. I used to be able to be depleted as well as fast on top of that with no problem. No hunger, no cravings, happy as a fucking clam. Motivation is in check but just not able to hit the gym, so it's tough to keep dieting when you go a few days without lifting weights. I'd hit up the ephedrine but it gets my anxiety way too high and my head's not able to cope with being cracked out on ephedrine right now.
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I just had my last protein bar. My bloated and fat self is ready for some serious dieting. Goal for now is something like in my avatar so nothing dramatic. Just get rid of that lypo and fat ASAP.
Time: 30 days. Starting tommorow.
Diet: chicken, cottage cheese, veggies, occasional stake fried on PAM, occasional protein bar (30g carbs, 10g fat).
I have no idea when I will carbload, this is BS approach. Planning carbloads before I even start shedding fat off is bs :D I think I will load on dark chocolate and almond butter anyway so fatload, not carbload.
LOADS of coffee and hardcore training.
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I just had my last protein bar. My bloated and fat self is ready for some serious dieting. Goal for now is something like in my avatar so nothing dramatic. Just get rid of that lypo and fat ASAP.
Time: 30 days. Starting tommorow.
Diet: chicken, cottage cheese, veggies, occasional stake fried on PAM, occasional protein bar (30g carbs, 10g fat).
I have no idea when I will carbload, this is BS approach. Planning carbloads before I even start shedding fat off is bs :D I think I will load on dark chocolate and almond butter anyway so fatload, not carbload.
LOADS of coffee and hardcore training.
are you still powerlifting?
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They think you're HIV-positive?
are you still lying to tons of gullible 15 years olds that you are a lifetime natty bodybuilder over at bodybuilding.com?
Lyin Nortem.
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apart from this have you made any other adjustment in your diet since you started it a few months ago? Is your average daily intake still around 1000 calories or have you increased it? Have you achieved your body fat goal? If so I assume you are now in maintenance mode?
I also remember you said that binge days 'Gal Style' with up to 10,000 calories was not working well for you, what is your calories intake on those days now and how often do you have those days?
well bro like gal said I've been eating everything in sight for the part 3 weeks. I mean it's been unreal. at least a liter of ice cream a day (w PB and jam mmm nomnomnom) pizza at least 2-3x a week, pastries and baked goods everyday. you get the idea. I don't think I've eaten <2k cal in the past 3 weeks prolly closer to 3-4 a day.
I got down to a bodyweight of 229 on my lowest day. yesterday I weighed 249.5. the odd part is despite the amount of food I have been eating I'm still prolly 6-7%. I benched today weight I havent touched since my big tren days. I've def been going thru a good phase for growth. I'll know how much tissue I've put on once I drop this water and get back in the hole. I've ben around 2k cal the past little while just trying to get my body re acclimated to the diet.
in short another advantage to this system is that it sets you up for a massive growth phase your body is starving to grow. the trick is to know when to throttle back before you start getting too fat again cause it will happen fast. ive found in this the body can only absorb so many cals. after that it goes to fat. but what it does absorb it uses as remarkably efficient as when in a severe deficit.
this time I'm going to <4% in the next 7 weeks. ahouldnt take that long but thats the goal. my body is tired of eating and wants to lean up.
cheers dude!
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sub-4?
why so lean dude?
5-6% is where it's at
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And yes, galeniko has beenv ery right about magnesium.
if you get mad shakes when cutting on this 1000 cal diet, get some magnesium asap.
Do not bother with supplements or multivitamins that have magnesium oxide in them. Magnesium oxide is the "biologically insoluble" form of magnesium, your body will not be able to utilize it. Look for magnesium citrate ( cheapest but make u shit), magnesium malate (aka magnesium glycinate ).
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/17/magnesium-benefits.aspx
Study about magnesium citrate vs magnesium oxide; Basically mag oxide = worthless shit.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2407766
Don't forget your potassium as well.
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I got down to a bodyweight of 229 on my lowest day. yesterday I weighed 249.5. the odd part is despite the amount of food I have been eating I'm still prolly 6-7%. I benched today weight I havent touched since my big tren days. I've def been going thru a good phase for growth. I'll know how much tissue I've put on once I drop this water and get back in the hole. I've ben around 2k cal the past little while just trying to get my body re acclimated to the diet.
in short another advantage to this system is that it sets you up for a massive growth phase your body is starving to grow. the trick is to know when to throttle back before you start getting too fat again cause it will happen fast. ive found in this the body can only absorb so many cals. after that it goes to fat. but what it does absorb it uses as remarkably efficient as when in a severe deficit.
this time I'm going to <4% in the next 7 weeks. ahouldnt take that long but thats the goal. my body is tired of eating and wants to lean up.
Im sure people would love to see before and after pics.
Another lying twat who wants some attention.
Sub 4 ::)
Whats wrong you upset because its all about OTH at the moment?
You guys are like fucking crying babies when their mummies wont pick them up.
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sub-4?
why so lean dude?
5-6% is where it's at
He wont be so lean, its all in his fucking head.
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He wont be so lean, its all in his fucking head.
Jeff, caliper readings are not very reliable. They're only reliable to track progress.
For someone to claim a certain bf% via calipers, is just an approximate reading.
For a more accurate reading, DEXA scan or BOD POD ought to be utilized for a before and after reading.
Calm down mate, it's just the internet.
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ive found in this the body can only absorb so many cals. after that it goes to fat.
Wow another massive revelation, that book must be a fucking goldmine.
Are you really saying that if you take in excess calories you get fat.
Well knock me down with a fucking feather.
::)
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Jeff, caliper readings are not very reliable. They're only reliable to track progress.
For someone to claim a certain bf% via calipers, is just an approximate reading.
For a more accurate reading, DEXA scan or BOD POD ought to be utilized for a before and after reading.
Calm down mate, it's just the internet.
Why are you telling me this?
I have posted this information already.
Tell that dumb fuck OTH.
Hes the one who needs the lesson.
But, no, you wont will you.
Get from up his fucking arse and put him straight.
He wouldnt be such an asshole if people did.
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Why are you telling me this?
I have posted this information already.
Tell that dumb fuck OTH.
Hes the one who needs the lesson.
But, no, you wont will you.
Get from up his fucking arse and put him straight.
He wouldnt be such an asshole if people did.
Why are you mad bro?
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Why are you mad bro?
Im not mad at all, Im just trolling the fuck out of everyone because you are all arse licking pricks without backbones.
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Why are you telling me this?
I have posted this information already.
Tell that dumb fuck OTH.
Hes the one who needs the lesson.
But, no, you wont will you.
Get from up his fucking arse and put him straight.
He wouldnt be such an asshole if people did.
Dude, i really don't care enough to do such a thing.
Also, i could't careless what you guys bicker and bitch about. To me, it's very vain.
As long as you can see abs, you're good in my book.
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Im not mad at all, Im just trolling the fuck out of everyone because you are all arse licking pricks without backbones.
Oh...
Or....maybe....everyone just agrees that you are a bitch and OneTimeHard and NoOne looks better than you
???
;)
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Dude, i really don't care enough to do such a thing.
Also, i could't careless what you guys bicker and bitch about. To me, it's very vain.
As long as you can see abs, you're good in my book.
People care enough to jump on his bandwagon and blow smoke up his flabby arse becasue they are frightened of reprisals by the backstage boys.
You guys are the biggest bunch of pussies on the web.
Psychopath, yeah right, only towards the people out of the little click, stop 'picking your victims' and grow some balls.
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Oh...
Or....maybe....everyone just agrees that you are a bitch and OneTimeHard and NoOne looks better than you
???
;)
Have I ever said they dont?
Thats it you see, you guys just see what you want to see.
In OTHs 3% photo he looks at a higher BF % than I do in mine.
Thats a fact mate.
OTH has a great physique, so does "no one" albeit a bathroom mirror physique as opposed to a stage physique., I have never said differently.
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Have I ever said they dont?
Thats it you see, you guys just see what you want to see.
In OTHs 3% photo he looks at a higher BF % than I do in mine.
Thats a fact mate.
OTH has a great physique, so does "no one" albeit a bathroom mirror physique as opposed to a stage physique., I have never said differently.
I'm gonna fly across the pond in a few months, smack you around a few times to knock that chip off your shoulder, then go to a nice pub and fill our bellies with Guinness and share tales of lifting weights and chasing skirts. This is what you need.
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Imagine that, waking up to make his rounds of meltdown on 16 different forums before he can finally eat breakfast.
lmao because he is sooooo predictable, my tactic worked.
See jeff this was planned ahead of time, I have been getting pms from the whole world asking why I bite to your trolling and I tell them cause my 5 minutes of posting causes you to meldown about me on 16 different threads and keeps you in front of the computer for 24 hours straight without skipping a beat, in the meantime I am gone on a day trip to Canadas wonderland with my family, gone on air balloon ride and even gone fishing, while poor old 50 year old jeff is withering away behind his 1998 computer. ;D ;D ;D
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I'm gonna fly across the pond in a few months, smack you around a few times to knock that chip off your shoulder, then go to a nice pub and fill our bellies with Guinness and share tales of lifting weights and chasing skirts. This is what you need.
You couldn't smack yourself around, I've seen you "offseason", remember.
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Im not mad at all, Im just trolling the fuck out of everyone because you are all arse licking pricks without backbones.
but don't you want to be a part of the in crowd?
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You couldn't smack yourself around, I've seen you "offseason", remember.
I maintain at 235lbs at 10% bro
I'd toss you around like a toddler Jeffley then take you out for ice cream. :D
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People care enough to jump on his bandwagon and blow smoke up his flabby arse becasue they are frightened of reprisals by the backstage boys.
You guys are the biggest bunch of pussies on the web.
Psychopath, yeah right, only towards the people out of the little click, stop 'picking your victims' and grow some balls.
You obviously choose to interpret the world in a different way.
The only reason why i chose to address you now is because i'm tired of your sandy vagina cluttering up threads with endless bitching that i never read, but only serves to digress the living fuck out of every damn thread you choose to display your sandy butthurt vagina in
WHO GIVES A FUCK
WHY
WHY
YOU BITTER OLD C.UNT
IF I READ ONE MORE POST WITH 3% IN IT, I'M GONNA SLAUGHTER YOUR WHOLE FAMILY, SACK OF BRITISH SHIT.
DIE
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People care enough to jump on his bandwagon and blow smoke up his flabby arse becasue they are frightened of reprisals by the backstage boys.
You guys are the biggest bunch of pussies on the web.
Psychopath, yeah right, only towards the people out of the little click, stop 'picking your victims' and grow some balls.
hahaha meltdown :D
what a pansy.
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You obviously choose to interpret the world in a different way.
The only reason why i chose to address you now is because i'm tired of your sandy vagina cluttering up threads with endless bitching that i never read, but only serves to digress the living fuck out of every damn thread you choose to display your sandy butthurt vagina in
WHO GIVES A FUCK
WHY
WHY
YOU BITTER OLD C.UNT
IF I READ ONE MORE POST WITH 3% IN IT, I'M GONNA SLAUGHTER YOUR WHOLE FAMILY, SACK OF BRITISH SHIT.
DIE
There is a less than 3% chance of that ever happening.
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I got down to a bodyweight of 229 on my lowest day. yesterday I weighed 249.5. the odd part is despite the amount of food I have been eating I'm still prolly 6-7%. I benched today weight I havent touched since my big tren days. I've def been going thru a good phase for growth. I'll know how much tissue I've put on once I drop this water and get back in the hole. I've ben around 2k cal the past little while just trying to get my body re acclimated to the diet.
So you have gained 20lb, mostly water and yet your BF % has gone up???
Did you read Deceivers insightful post about BF and water levels?
BF is fat in your body/your body mass. So if you dehydrate your bf goes up. Yep, you hear me right. Amount of bodyfat remains same and your bodymass drops so your bodyfat increases. So actually Munzer in that picture could be more than 3% because he is so dehydrated.
So by that argument the more water you carry the less your BF% should be, yours seems to have gone up.
Is it explained properly in the book, drop Gal a PM and ask him.
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So you have gained 20lb, mostly water and yet your BF % has gone up???
Did you read Deceivers insightful post about BF and water levels?So by that argument the more water you carry the less your BF% should be, yours seems to have gone up.
Is it explained properly in the book, drop Gal a PM and ask him.
well ive read some pretty stupid shit in my day.
thanks for contributing yet again to your image as a fucking retard who has no clue what hes talking about. lol
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well ive read some pretty stupid shit in my day.
thanks for contributing yet again to your image as a fucking retard who has no clue what hes talking about. lol
Yes it ranks alongside my "reducing fats in the diet allows you to eat more protein and carbs", what the fuck was I thinking. ::)
Nice dodge again by the way or are you waiting for Gal to PM you the answer?
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Im sure people would love to see before and after pics.
Another lying twat who wants some attention.
Sub 4 ::)
Whats wrong you upset because its all about OTH at the moment?
You guys are like fucking crying babies when their mummies wont pick them up.
Hmm. You missed the weight part. Pretty sure Even Arnold never weighed so much at such a BF.
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Hmm. You missed the weight part. Pretty sure Even Arnold never weighed so much at such a BF.
right. cause it's impossible to be 6'2 and 250 at 6% and not look like Arnold.
the of level of stupidity this board is succumbing to is really quite awe inspiring.
keep up the good works guys!
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right. cause it's impossible to be 6'2 and 250 at 6% and not look like Arnold.
the of level of stupidity this board is succumbing to is really quite awe inspiring.
keep up the good works guys!
You onstage would be a lot closer to this guy than you would to Arnold
I bet this dude looks fantastic in a vest in his bathroom mirror.
(http://s10.postimg.org/5c9qmdq89/1rt9og.jpg)
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After gym today weight in 169.4 lbs. Only had a protein bar and a single apple before I hit the gym for couple of hours. Great lifting too, busted out 225 x 15 like it was nothing.
When I started the diet in 1st week of June, my daytime weight was around 208-210.
Epic twinkie.
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I not only look spectacular in bathroom mirrors I also do well on the beach, at pool parties and I must say I look fucking incredible in the gym
whereas the only time looking good 'counts' with you is if it's done in a thong flexing and 'posing' in a room full of men. hahaha maybe Mensa bob is right- maybe you are a gearbox.
keep chasing the dream, sparky!
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right. cause it's impossible to be 6'2 and 250 at 6% and not look like Arnold.
the of level of stupidity this board is succumbing to is really quite awe inspiring.
keep up the good works guys!
Hmm. Pretty sure if you looked like Arnold, you'd look like Arnold. QED.
/have a great trip, angry man. ;D
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it's not lost on anyone here bethy that your whole being exists to have a panel of men judge you on how 'shredded' your 'glutes' are.
I prefer to have hot strippers want to fuck me. fuck im really missing out here. meh. to each their own I guess.
we should have a little 'coming out' party for you fruitcake- you can oil up and prance around in your speedo reliving your glory days when a room full of men thought your ass was the tightest of the bunch.
:D
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I not only look spectacular in bathroom mirrors I also do well on the beach, at pool parties and I must say I look fucking incredible in the gym
whereas the only time looking good 'counts' with you is if it's done in a thong flexing and 'posing' in a room full of men. hahaha maybe Mensa bob is right- maybe you are a gearbox.
keep chasing the dream, sparky!
I thought you said you were currently blown up to 249lbs from a best of 229?
Bang goes the claim of "me and Gal walk around shredded year round, you can to if you follow the book"
Lack of disciplined bloated bag of shit you are.
Now, do you have a contest photo to show us or are you going to carry on living on the gym mirror "oiled up" photo? (I shudder every time i think of you oiling up in the changing room to take your own photo, and you call me creepy ::))
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Hmm. Pretty sure if you looked like Arnold, you'd look like Arnold. QED.
/have a great trip, angry man. ;D
LOL!
Arnold. there'll never be another Arnold. just like there'll never be another Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, or the mighty 'no one'
cheers dude! :D
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it's not lost on anyone here bethy that your whole being exists to have a panel of men judge you on how 'shredded' your 'glutes' are.
I prefer to have hot strippers want to fuck me. fuck im really missing out here. meh. to each their own I guess.
we should have a little 'coming out' party for you fruitcake- you can oil up and prance around in your speedo reliving your glory days when a room full of men thought your ass was the tightest of the bunch.
:D
Lol at whos melting down now.
You just cant ignore me can you.
PSSSSTTTTTTT....Its your ego that does it. ;D
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I thought you said you were currently blown up to 249lbs from a best of 229?
Bang goes the claim of "me and Gal walk around shredded year round, you can to if you follow the book"
Lack of disciplined bloated bag of shit you are.
Now, do you have a contest photo to show us or are you going to carry on living on the gym mirror "oiled up" photo? (I shudder every time i think of you oiling up in the changing room to take your own photo, and you call me creepy ::))
calm down Tiny Tim.
I run the show here. I post what I chose to post. you don't call the shots, I do.
now, go sit in the corner until someone needs advise on how to properly clench their ass cheeks while 'hitting' a 'back double bi'. :D
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calm down Tiny Tim.
I run the show here. I post what I chose to post. you don't call the shots, I do.
now, go sit in the corner until someone needs advise on how to properly clench their ass cheeks while 'hitting' a 'back double bi'. :D
You run the show yet you respond to all my posts. ;D
Im in your head mate, if I wasnt here you would hardly post, look how much your post count has gone up since I have been here, look how many photos you have posted since i have been here.
I own your mind Mr Maple Syrup man. ;)
Im surprised the name you gave in the other thread has no connection to any sales or websites of Maple Syrup bearing in mind that is how you claim you make your living.
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you realise, Francis, that your greatest accomplishment in life was being voted best ass by a room full of other guys right?
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I not only look spectacular in bathroom mirrors I also do well on the beach, at pool parties and I must say I look fucking incredible in the gym
whereas the only time looking good 'counts' with you is if it's done in a thong flexing and 'posing' in a room full of men. hahaha maybe Mensa bob is right- maybe you are a gearbox.
keep chasing the dream, sparky!
whats the point looking good at the stage when you are not competing, i rather look great on the beach etc i dont think the girls are whisper to eachother "would not ,hit his front double biceps pose must look bad because of his high lats"
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whats the point looking good at the stage when you are not competing, i rather look great on the beach etc i dont think the girls are whisper to eachother "would not ,hit his front double biceps pose must look bad because of his high lats"
ya. he's a fag bro. lol
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whats the point looking good at the stage when you are not competing, i rather look great on the beach etc i dont think the girls are whisper to eachother "would not ,hit his front double biceps pose must look bad because of his high lats"
Its no good talking about competing to "no one" he has no idea what you are talking about.
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no wonder ukbeth spends all his time on here instead of with his wife- she's not a guy.
:D
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last show i ever did i did cardio right before bed. typically i'd walk for an hour around my neighbourhood. its 3am and a car pulls up. its all my buddies just coming back from the place we always go to eat after the bar. they got random broads with them. having a blast. im doing fucking cardio. to get up in a room full of other guys to flex and pose. i thought 'this aint right'.
i finished my cardio that night. i was only 2 weeks out by that point. did what i needed to do. showed up the day of the show with all my buddies in the am for the weigh in. weighed in with the rest of my class in the best shape of my life to that point and went home. didnt even get on stage. and never competed again.
first side note: two weeks later i ran into a judge who was at the weigh in. he said what happened to you. told him i didnt feel like getting on stage that day, that my 'job' was done after i weighed in- personally i only competed cause my buddies really encouraged me. i always felt weird about the whole thing.. he said i prolly would have won my class (superhvwt), if not won it, it would have been a good battle between me and the guy who did win it, and the overall.
second side note: my buddy calls me up 4 weeks later. says allmax just signed his good friend out east. the rep told this guy they had signed they had only signed one other guy- the guy who won my class and overall at my show. the rep told my buddies friend they signed the overall winner of the show because 'the big white guy' they wanted to talk to didnt come back after the weigh in.
i look back on all this and wonder often about paths not taken, and what i would have done to my body if i had tried to stay competitive. thank fucking god they stopped that night i was doing cardio.
So if he had just got onstage he would have been a Pro bodybuilder by now.
lolololollllll
Walter Mitty eat your heart out.
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So true. I don't know where I fucked up but my metabolism and glucose control are really poor right now. I ate a box of Smarties at work and felt hungry an hour and a bit later. I ate in the morning after my workout too so close to no fasting. Just ate a 2500 calorie dinner too because I let cravings get the best of me.... I thought go stick my finger down my throat.
Back in the day I could fast for an entire day and feel fine. Really sucks to be on the opposite end of the spectrum. I get hungry shortly after I eat now. Hope to tighten up the diet in September once school is in and things are a lot more structured. :-\
hahaa
I bet you're still lean though. Its always the people that look the best who worry about this kind of shit. The fact that you even care about a slip up here and there is a good sign. But why do you think its your metabolism other than just a mental break?
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So if he had just got onstage he would have been a Pro bodybuilder by now.
lolololollllll
Walter Mitty eat your heart out.
i dont get it, so he drags all of his friends to the competition, weights in and goes home. Why didnt he weight in home and saved his friends from wasting there time lol.
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you realise, Francis, that your greatest accomplishment in life was being voted best ass by a room full of other guys right?
Ironically, this is one of the few distinctions that can make a guy some money from bodybuilding.
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i dont get it, so he drags all of his friends to the competition, weights in and goes home. Why didnt he weight in home and saved his friends from wasting there time lol.
Well, it would show him to be the selfish egotistical asshole that he is.
Fuck everyone else and what they have done, its all about me,me,me.
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Im not mad at all, Im just trolling the fuck out of everyone because you are all arse licking pricks without backbones.
You really have no clue what trolling is, do you?
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You really have no clue what trolling is, do you?
Hahaha it's so obvious he doesn't.
Must have gotten lost in translation
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You really have no clue what trolling is, do you?
Yep
Trolling
submit a deliberately provocative posting to an online message board with the aim of inciting an angry response.
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Yep
So You're trolling yourself then? The only one getting angry is you.
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So You're trolling yourself then? The only one getting angry is you.
hahahaha................ ...my emotions have never flickered from the moment I signed up to this board.
Really mate, don't judge others on your own lack of emotional control.
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hahahaha...................my emotions have never flickered from the moment I signed up to this board.
Really mate, don't judge others on your own lack of emotional control.
That's what they all say ;)
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STOP STOP STOP, EVERYONE, LEAVE JEFF ALONE, HE IS 5 MINUTES AWAY FROM JUMPING OFF A BRIDGE.
You are making getbig history bro as we speak.
Never in the history of getbig has there been a bigger meltdown, you are melting on multiple threads.
You are posting round the clock 24 hours per day. This is like non stop now for 4 days I believe, I mean have you even stopped to shower.
You have to relax, take a deep breath, count to ten.
No wonder you can body fat since your last pic, while in meltdown mode it is pretty fucken hard to binge eat from the stress. :-\ :-\ :-\
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shizzo, my man, get in here with the meltdown pics, you have some pretty good ones ;)
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i know what he means, after dieting, one kinda loses the sense for when theyre full or depleted on carbs.
i dont know the medical terms or why that is, but i know exactly what he means.youre full, but feel depleted.
kinda like when youre depleted on diet, but feel very full, just the other way around.
i have always felt more fullness while dieting btw.
You mean full as in satiety...feeling satisfied after meals or muscle fullness?
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hahahaha...................my emotions have never flickered from the moment I signed up to this board.
Really mate, don't judge others on your own lack of emotional control.
Quick, someone post UkJizz's tearful goodbye post! Hahahaha
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STOP STOP STOP, EVERYONE, LEAVE JEFF ALONE, HE IS 5 MINUTES AWAY FROM JUMPING OFF A BRIDGE.
You are making getbig history bro as we speak.
Never in the history of getbig has there been a bigger meltdown, you are melting on multiple threads.
You are posting round the clock 24 hours per day. This is like non stop now for 4 days I believe, I mean have you even stopped to shower.
You have to relax, take a deep breath, count to ten.
No wonder you can body fat since your last pic, while in meltdown mode it is pretty fucken hard to binge eat from the stress. :-\ :-\ :-\
:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
shizzo, my man, get in here with the meltdown pics, you have some pretty good ones ;)
Do you have the front shot pictures of your 3% yet, I would like to see them before I jump.
By the way, did you take your chicken on your day out?
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Quick, someone post UkJizz's tearful goodbye post! Hahahaha
UKjeff is one of those people that never "breaks character" and just chills with the fellas...It's a freaking message board and not that serious. it's all asshole all the time with him.
And the way he belabors miniscule topics for weeks on end is just comical.
is OTH truly 3% in that picture? I don't fucking know, I wasn't there. he looks very lean and lighting is everything in PICTURES (hello) . I could give a shit if he is or if he isn't, and if he wants to say he is..he's always been a straight shooter, i'll take his word for it. and if it's not true, and he's a percentage point or two off... I really don't give a flying fuck....LOL.
Not because I'm one of OTH's "sycophants"....because I truly DON"T give a fuck what bodyfat some guy was 6 years ago. like it fucking matters ::)
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nono, i mean muscle fullness.
on diet i hardly ever feel saturated from food, even when i eat 2lbs of vegies at once with 1lbs chicken breast,the satiety factor in stomach isnt there, compared to ,well, you know, one of my typical binges :D
ok you confused me lol
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UKjeff is one of those people that never "breaks character" and just chills with the fellas...It's a freaking message board and not that serious. it's all asshole all the time with him.
And the way he belabors miniscule topics for weeks on end is just comical.
is OTH truly 3% in that picture? I don't fucking know, I wasn't there. he looks very lean and lighting is everything in PICTURES (hello) . I could give a shit if he is or if he isn't, and if he wants to say he is..he's always been a straight shooter, i'll take his word for it. and if it's not true, and he's a percentage point or two off... I really don't give a flying fuck....LOL.
Not because I'm one of OTH's "sycophants"....because I truly DON"T give a fuck what bodyfat some guy was 6 years ago. like it fucking matters ::)
It matters to OTH hes been living on that painting for 6 years.
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It matters to OTH hes been living on that painting for 6 years.
lol
arent your comparison pics 17 years old
irony much :D
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lol
arent your comparison pics 17 years old
irony much :D
yep, 17 years ago and with all the improvements in diet and supplementation over the years he still cant match it. ;D
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Day 1. Had 500g of steak, 500g of cottage cheese. Some veggies with chicken will go later. Is that OK? :D
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Day 1. Had 500g of steak, 500g of cottage cheese. Some veggies with chicken will go later. Is that OK? :D
Great, now you cant eat for 36 hours. ;D
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Great, now you cant eat for 36 hours. ;D
I wont for 24h. Did squats and ton of deadlifts for reps (like 5-6 sets for reps), hence the amount of calories.
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Thanks guys for getting the thread back on the diet. Annoying when it turns into an argument with Jeff. When we stay on topic this thread simply rocks!
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brother, you get bloat easy, what can i say, replace the cattage cheese with something else, i and many frends get horrible bloat even from little bitch of cottabge cheese.
but yeah thats not bad, id just do 1kg of steak and veggies and thats it.
vegies and chicken for next meal, haha some 12hrs later, after being bit into the twilight zone :D
I don't get anything from cottage cheese tho.
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Thanks guys for getting the thread back on the diet. Annoying when it turns into an argument with Jeff. When we stay on topic this thread simply rocks!
indeed, brilliant info in this thread. ;)
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I wont for 24h. Did squats and ton of deadlifts for reps (like 5-6 sets for reps), hence the amount of calories.
Hey bro have you ever tried on all out deadlift, heavy and hard for the entire workout. I have done this a couple of times.
it goes like this; 1 set 135. 1 set 225, 1 set 315, 10 sets 405, last time took me 56 minutes. I was painfully sore for days and days.
I am going to try this exact workout in a few days.
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Hey bro have you ever tried on all out deadlift, heavy and hard for the entire workout. I have done this a couple of times.
it goes like this; 1 set 135. 1 set 225, 1 set 315, 10 sets 405, last time took me 56 minutes. I was painfully sore for days and days.
I am going to try this exact workout in a few days.
Nope, but I like this style so I'm gonna do that, good idea. I used to do smolov which is squats 4 times per week, 7 sets of 6 first day, 8 sets of 5 next, 9 sets of 4 next and 10 sets of 3 final day, same weight. This was brutal, it takes 90 minutes to finish on the 10 sets day. When on low carbs 6th set ownwards is a death route. By the 8th set you're numb, I had to keep track of my sets with weights because I would forget how many sets I've done. Extremely painful :D
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Nope, but I like this style so I'm gonna do that, good idea. I used to do smolov which is squats 4 times per week, 7 sets of 6 first day, 8 sets of 5 next, 9 sets of 4 next and 10 sets of 3 final day, same weight. This was brutal, it takes 90 minutes to finish on the 10 sets day. When on low carbs 6th set ownwards is a death route. By the 8th set you're numb, I had to keep track of my sets with weights because I would forget how many sets I've done. Extremely painful :D
Ya that one is tough, squats is brutal set after set.
With the deadlifts, I am ok for endurance and weight and reps but it is the lower back pump and the tightness that has me struggling on the last 2 to 3 sets.
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Hey bro have you ever tried on all out deadlift, heavy and hard for the entire workout. I have done this a couple of times.
it goes like this; 1 set 135. 1 set 225, 1 set 315, 10 sets 405, last time took me 56 minutes. I was painfully sore for days and days.
I am going to try this exact workout in a few days.
I do this too bro.
I save 1 day a week for just deads, occasionally I'll throw hams in with it, but I always make a day for this. If any day is deserving of its own special workout, it's Deadlift Day
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I do this too bro.
I save 1 day a week for just deads, occasionally I'll throw hams in with it, but I always make a day for this. If any day is deserving of its own special workout, it's Deadlift Day
Wow that's straight beast....I did 13 sets of ten w 315 in an hour and felt funny for the next week. No way I could do that on the reg.
Any kinda volume w deadlifts really drags me down, way more than squats or anything else. Don't know why
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Exactly what muscle or muscles do dead lifts work? I have heard conflicting reports.
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Exactly what muscle or muscles do dead lifts work? I have heard conflicting reports.
The greatest posterior chain movement known to man. 8)
Everything on your backside, especially erectors, lats, and traps.
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Thanks guys. Often do "stiff leg" dead lifts but not much regular deads.
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Thanks guys. Often do "stiff leg" dead lifts but not much regular deads.
I like stiffs on leg day. Regular deads on their own, or if I'm short on time that week, finish my back workout with deads. Just my 2 cents brother.
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Not to change topic but I had another thought on the diet today I wanted to post.
Eating out: I have found that I can eat out and have a salad with meat etc staying on the diet, but I would rather not because its just not that satifying most of the time. Especially at fast food/casual joints. Would rather starve or eat at home for cheaper. Only exception is if going out being social at least you have the option of something.
For example I like burritos at Baja Fresh or chipotle, but ordering a chicken salad or burrito bowl with no rice and beans just don't do it for me. Does give you the satisfaction of a real burrito. :P but like I said these are options when you are out with friends and they want to stop at these places.
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yah chinese chiken with veggies does about least damage, or some meat like whats the name , entrecote, english sir loing i think, with vegs or salad will be good.
just order 3 pieces of sir loing, the portions at restarants are pathetic.
wheni spain, they have very bbuilding frendly meals, ld just order vegies with 10 chiken breast and 5 whole eggs, or 3 whole fishes, the huge ones,like half table.
or meat plate with various meats ,or the fish plate.
the meat plate has 1 or 2 small sausage in them, dont worry just eat those too, the sky wont fall on your head bc of this.
its simple, the bigger the meal is the longer the fast until the next one will be.
sometimes eating out triggers very bad binge, then i let myself go entirely with no remorse ;D
and pay for that next 30hrs. 8)
And if on a first date where the meal becomes very expensive, make sure the female doesn't sneak off to the bath room just before the check arrives 8)
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haha ;D
forgive your enemies, but never forget their names ;D
that cow is in for massive owning sometime :D
3 eyes for an eye my friend 8)
And when such owning transpires we getbiggers readily await a detailed story :D
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no point in looking good if you cant back it up. When I was at my heaviest (mid 230's) I could do 25 wide grip chins. Everyone even the big guys used to stare at me like some fucking animal. I'll try and get a vid up at some point
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no point in looking good if you cant back it up. When I was at my heaviest (mid 230's) I could do 25 wide grip chins. Everyone even the big guys used to stare at me like some fucking animal. I'll try and get a vid up at some point
Must have taken a lot of time to work up to 25 wide grip chins. Amazing!
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Must have taken a lot of time to work up to 25 wide grip chins. Amazing!
Pretty hot and heavy stuff am I right bro?
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Thanks guys. Often do "stiff leg" dead lifts but not much regular deads.
They have to work the entire back, glutes and hams as well, traps, lats, everything because when I do this mega deadlift workout, everything I mentioned is completely sore beyond belief.
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no point in looking good if you cant back it up. When I was at my heaviest (mid 230's) I could do 25 wide grip chins. Everyone even the big guys used to stare at me like some fucking animal. I'll try and get a vid up at some point
That is dam impressive bro
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That is dam impressive bro
Wait for the vid. ;)
There have been some wild claims on this forum of late.
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Wait for the vid. ;)
There have been some wild claims on this forum of late.
In my books credibility has always proved itself time and time again, those who have shown credibility always pull through and flint is a straight shooter, he says he is small when he is small, he says he looks like shit when he looks like shit, he says he looks good when he looks, he says it how it is so i will believe him and give him the benefit of the doubt
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In my books credibility has always proved itself time and time again, those who have shown credibility always pull through and flint is a straight shooter, he says he is small when he is small, he says he looks like shit when he looks like shit, he says he looks good when he looks, he says it how it is so i will believe him and give him the benefit of the doubt
Shame you cant be as honest.
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Does this diet work if you have neither strength or muscle?
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no point in looking good if you cant back it up. When I was at my heaviest (mid 230's) I could do 25 wide grip chins. Everyone even the big guys used to stare at me like some fucking animal. I'll try and get a vid up at some point
thats hardcore at that weight
strong as an ox
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Does this diet work if you have neither strength or muscle?
if you gave up alcohol for twelve weeks you would look like a different person
im being serious
you have that ill soft pasty look that all alcoholics get
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I look pasty because I am pasty. I have had skin cancer multiple times in my life already. My dermatologist said I should avoid the sun when possible. That is why I do not use tanning beds or lay out in the sun. Not worth it.
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I look pasty because I am pasty. I have had skin cancer multiple times in my life already. My dermatologist said I should avoid the sun when possible. That is why I do not use tanning beds or lay out in the sun. Not worth it.
you look unhealthy because of your lifestyle choices
try not drinking for twelve weeks seriously it will be a revelation for you
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yah, when i went through my bad habbits time, started to get unhealthy look, but was in denial for so long, then 1 week sober and there was already positive changes.
looking back now at this in shame and appears like someone elses life, wasnt the same person.
but you changed
he needs a wake up call
maybe one day he will look in the mirror and think fuck and that will be it
maybe a family member will get through to him
some people never have that moment and drift into oblivion
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yah, when i went through my bad habbits time, started to get unhealthy look, but was in denial for so long, then 1 week sober and there was already positive changes.
looking back now at this in shame and appears like someone elses life, wasnt the same person.
Yes....... because smoking at least a pack of cigs a day + steroids + drinks is healthy ::)
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for me it was a bit of everything, frends, family, girl, finances, and lol -ironicaly-the govt, and re-wake of the sane inner self, had reached a junction where it was to decide all or nothing.
it all added up and i decided life must be lived in reality,sober, or its not life, its escaping life instead.
took some time until i could truly enjoy the little things in life again, but oh well, can now safely say im through 8)
theres is different kind of persons, some can stop bad habbits, some totaly and forever get lost in them.
man factors play a role i guess.
is relatively much more healthy than previous behaviour.
the daily heavy booze is absolute killer, make no mistake, try not fooling yourself.
hrt with ok diet , ciggs and maybe 2 shots vodka monthly is nothing.
atleast i have the guts to face reality and go see doctor for full bloodwork check, you can bet that avergae diet of the ppl by itself is more unhealthy than my lifestyle.
and i dare you, go check your liver parameters, id be genuinely curious to know the numbers.up to you, but im not having lessons from alcoholics with no self respect and self control.
Please Gal....... ::) You are a heavy smoker and steroid user. You have no room to say shit to me about healthy habits. :-*
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Please Gal....... ::) You are a heavy smoker and steroid user. You have no room to say shit to me about healthy habits. :-*
Yeah because testosterone is a really unhealthy drug.
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Yeah because testosterone is a really unhealthy drug.
Yes.... because that is all he takes ::) I am not fighting with gal at all. I am just merely pointing out that Galeniko has put more harmful substances into his body, then I ever will. Fact.
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Yes....... because smoking at least a pack of cigs a day + steroids + drinks is healthy ::)
shizzowned
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Yes.... because that is all he takes ::) I am not fighting with gal at all. I am just merely pointing out that Galeniko has put more harmful substances into his body, then I ever will. Fact.
So you don't consider Ugandan sailor cock an "unhealthy" item then.
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So you don't consider Ugandan sailor cock an "unhealthy" item then.
It is part of the meat group ;D
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Yes.... because that is all he takes ::) I am not fighting with gal at all. I am just merely pointing out that Galeniko has put more harmful substances into his body, then I ever will. Fact.
i dont smoke and hardly drink
and im telling you try it
what is twelve weeks in a life
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i dont smoke and hardly drink
and im telling you try it
what is twelve weeks in a life
I agree with that. I will try. It is very hard. Ask Galeniko about the cigs.
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I agree with that. I will try. It is very hard. Ask Galeniko about the cigs.
What time do you start drinking each day and how much do you drink?
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What time do you start drinking each day and how much do you drink?
It really depends. I do not define days by hours. Sometimes I will drink a .750 of vodka. Some days it will only be a Four Loko, or maybe even nothing at all.
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I look pasty because I am pasty. I have had skin cancer multiple times in my life already. My dermatologist said I should avoid the sun when possible. That is why I do not use tanning beds or lay out in the sun. Not worth it.
THEN why are you drinking all the fucking time you imbecile?
You think drinking is helping your skin?
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It really depends. I do not define days by hours. Sometimes I will drink a .750 of vodka. Some days it will only be a Four Loko, or maybe even nothing at all.
dude hou should check in your ass in a rehab. It will only go downhill soon you will drink away your job family friends etc.
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and 100gramms of chocolate.
100g of chocolate, I am really jealous >:( my last Mars bar was 9 months ago :-\
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100g of chocolate, I am really jealous >:( my last Mars bar was 9 months ago :-\
:D
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Somehow I think Shizzo is bullshiting about his drinking problems. I doubt he is alcoholic. I doubt he drinks much at all.
He is just after acceptance and some sort of support. The same thing happened when he 'died'. One of those people who need to hear people care about him all the time.
Sad thing is that he cannot get that in real life and here and there he gets it on this board.
Funny guy though, he has a good sense of humor.
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100g of chocolate, I am really jealous >:( my last Mars bar was 9 months ago :-\
in my old days I used to have 3x100g blocks of chocolate per day, Lindt milk chocolate with hazelnuts, my favourite. It was pure addiction.
I was never able to have a few pieces and leave the rest for later, it was always in one go.
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Second day, after 24h fast I did 1kg of chicken with veggies and 2 protein bars (300kcal both) to whooping 1600kcals. I felt dizzy before the meal.
After about 48h all the water is GONE. Prolly because my diet was getting cleaner and cleaner past two weeks until the point that I started all-in diet. It's crazy how much water I pissed throughout the night and still do. I think it's a matter of two weeks before I get sucked in cheeks lol.
Water comes and goes very fast for me. Energy in the morning was HIGH. Around 6pm I started feeling funny, 7pm I had my big meal and now feel OK.
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I took a potassium supp last night, took a nap and woke up and took a real long piss. That common?
Also this diet is special in that it is kinda like a game. You go 20 hrs with no food, eat, then want to go 24, eat then want to go 30. Kinda like beating your personal bests. Cravings for junk are pretty much gone and the diet foods are not exactly great but good enough. You get in the mindset that food does not equal pleasure, just fuel for the body. Get pleasure from friends, family, whores, hobbies etc..
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:D
Every Christmas I would have 1 :-\
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eating once a day ::)
Oh brother.
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Somehow I think Shizzo is bullshiting about his drinking problems. I doubt he is alcoholic. I doubt he drinks much at all.
He is just after acceptance and some sort of support. The same thing happened when he 'died'. One of those people who need to hear people care about him all the time.
Sad thing is that he cannot get that in real life and here and there he gets it on this board.
Funny guy though, he has a good sense of humor.
your make a good point O.Z.
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I think you will find he actually mentioned he ate once or twice a day.
I tend to think twice was the norm. ;)
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I think you will find he actually mentioned he ate once or twice a day.
I tend to think twice was the norm. ;)
serge told me in person when i met him he age1 time/day and done it many many years.
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i think to remember one big meal, not sure, but yah, 1 or 2, i do the same most days.
1 after workout, for the anabolic window, then 1 before sleep, for the androgenic and tisue repairing window ;D
nah i just do them like that bc that pattern fits best with my day schedule, before anyone believes the windows stuff, best to point this out ;D
jeff would disagree with his reflection :D
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Around 1500 calories. I wanna go by the book so... When can I allow myself to binge? I included some carbs today, like 2 bananas and some yoghurt because I was feeling dizzy and couldn't focus at work. I have intellectually demanding job, I cannot allow myself to be "dumbed" by the diet.
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Another mental trick, I like to think of the rugby players from the book Miracel in the Andes. Those fellas had nothing to eat and just starved for days and weeks, even tried to eat the leather plane seats. Then finally had to eat the dead bodies from the crash. All this in exposure on snowy mountain in a crashed plane.
When you compare it to this, you really seem weak having a hard time going 24-30 hrs fasting. Nothing compared to what the rugby fellas went through.
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did the banana really help?
binge, i wouldnt have the meal any more frequent than all 4-5 days.something like 3000cals.
be prepared for the fast afterwards. ;D
Yes it kinda did the trick. I don't feel dizzy anymore and can think straight. Brain doesn't require much but it does require something. Today I was completely depleted, there is no doubt in my mind.
Please bare in mind that I do train like a madman, deadlifts for reps, squats for reps till failure, no isolation, tons of sets, very fast paced all under 1h.
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no slice of cherry pie with a scoop of cold vanilla icecream :P
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Also, I wanna get on 8% and no further down. I feel completely OK with being in the majority. Is there anything you would adjust if that is the goal or just add more binge days once I'm there?
I will try to keep on track as long as possible of course, same as fasting - as long as humanly possible.
I think you should release updated version of the book and focus on following topics:
- when to binge, when not to binge
- how many calories on binge days, if there are any limits
- what kind of foods avoid on binge, what take
- how to get rid of subcuntanous water asap if you need it (I have my theories and practice with that, for me its carbs and sodium, diary is OK if I don't eat a lot of sodium from other sources)... would like to know what you think of that.
- sodium - is it needed on binge days? how much? I heard you need sodium when loading for the glycogen to form in muscles. is that why no one prefers foods like pizza etc.?
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Gal/noone/OTH,
Photoshoot is 12 hrs away. Very excited. Took everyones advise and played with my instinct. Looked pretty good so far! Fingers crossed. Will post pics. Thanks alot for sharing urknowledge and for ur kick ass book!
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well bro like gal said I've been eating everything in sight for the part 3 weeks. I mean it's been unreal. at least a liter of ice cream a day (w PB and jam mmm nomnomnom) pizza at least 2-3x a week, pastries and baked goods everyday. you get the idea. I don't think I've eaten <2k cal in the past 3 weeks prolly closer to 3-4 a day.
I got down to a bodyweight of 229 on my lowest day. yesterday I weighed 249.5. the odd part is despite the amount of food I have been eating I'm still prolly 6-7%. I benched today weight I havent touched since my big tren days. I've def been going thru a good phase for growth. I'll know how much tissue I've put on once I drop this water and get back in the hole. I've ben around 2k cal the past little while just trying to get my body re acclimated to the diet.
in short another advantage to this system is that it sets you up for a massive growth phase your body is starving to grow. the trick is to know when to throttle back before you start getting too fat again cause it will happen fast. ive found in this the body can only absorb so many cals. after that it goes to fat. but what it does absorb it uses as remarkably efficient as when in a severe deficit.
this time I'm going to <4% in the next 7 weeks. ahouldnt take that long but thats the goal. my body is tired of eating and wants to lean up.
cheers dude!
Not hating, but of course you get alot of leeway when you are at 5% bodyfat. It would take alot of cheat days to make you look like shit.
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Gal/noone/OTH,
Photoshoot is 12 hrs away. Very excited. Took everyones advise and played with my instinct. Looked pretty good so far! Fingers crossed. Will post pics. Thanks alot for sharing urknowledge and for ur kick ass book!
hey bro any updates how did it turn out?
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Yes it kinda did the trick. I don't feel dizzy anymore and can think straight. Brain doesn't require much but it does require something. Today I was completely depleted, there is no doubt in my mind.
Please bare in mind that I do train like a madman, deadlifts for reps, squats for reps till failure, no isolation, tons of sets, very fast paced all under 1h.
try ALOT of cinnamon and ginger
i get that out of it lethargic feeling eating mainly fats from nuts and beans
the cinnamon and ginger can bounce you right back
caffiene will give you the paranoid eye blinking and dizzy feeling
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i see and im most happy about this, falcone is on his way back to glory :D
Could you plase reply? I wont even bother responding to this idiot.
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Do you guys still stick to the diet when ill?
Feel like shit and I guess some people have less appetite anyway when sick but I don't think I can be arsed with 0 carb right now!
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Do you guys still stick to the diet when ill?
Feel like shit and I guess some people have less appetite anyway when sick but I don't think I can be arsed with 0 carb right now!
If you're ill, listen to your body, if you want to eat then eat.
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If you're ill, listen to your body, if you want to eat then eat.
Great reply....so true.
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I think there's actually some research that fasting during illness has some benefits. Of course not excessive fasting and not when you're very ill but still.
But especially when I get fever I always somehow manage to get more cut even though I'm staying in bed 24/7. My food choices also tend to change. I hate protein when I'm ill. I love eating tons of fruits.
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peanuts are a catch 22, they are rich reversitol (sp?) which has an anti aging effect on the body. Its a compound found in red wine,cherries, and grapes.....on the downside peanuts contain an alfatoxin that is mildly toxic to the liver. I love peanut butter like no tomorrow but my skin cleared up when I eliminated it from my diet. acne is a sign of liver stress many times so was it related? who knows...
Walnuts are my nuts of choice, they are expensive but with a bit of sugar on them taste great. They have also been shown to improve sperm quality....which may be beneficial for guys who use a lot of 19nor's who plan on having kids some day. stay away from cinnamon on orals
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peanuts are a catch 22, they are rich reversitol (sp?) which has an anti aging effect on the body. Its a compound found in red wine,cherries, and grapes.....on the downside peanuts contain an alfatoxin that is mildly toxic to the liver. I love peanut butter like no tomorrow but my skin cleared up when I eliminated it from my diet. acne is a sign of liver stress many times so was it related? who knows...
Walnuts are my nuts of choice, they are expensive but with a bit of sugar on them taste great. They have also been shown to improve sperm quality....which may be beneficial for guys who use a lot of 19nor's who plan on having kids some day. stay away from cinnamon on orals
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is that you jeff
i always thought your posts reeked of someone on the pipe :D
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is that you jeff
i always thought your posts reeked of someone on the pipe :D
I would have had to be permanently on the pipe though, my posts were always consistent. ;D
As are yours... ;D ;D
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Photoshoot turned up pretty awesome. I am waiting for the photosnfromnthe photographer.
I entered my first competion just hours ago, lol albeit a fitness kinda competition, made it to the top 13 out of 61 people. Could have done better, was kinda of a last minute thingy 2 days after the shoot and i ate crap after the photoshoot and put on 8+lb. But it was fun as hell! Will work harder next time. Give me a moment. Will post pics that i took from my phone from the photoshoot.
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Galeniko I'm 280 with abs showing, alex owns all haters on the board and off the board
The Molson ab. ;D
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Found a new use for chewing gum. In addition to all the other reasons, it's good because while you are at work or wherever and fatsos try to offer you cake or candy and such just say "gum" you can even show it to them. They usually back off.
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Found a new use for chewing gum. In addition to all the other reasons, it's good because while you are at work or wherever and fatsos try to offer you cake or candy and such just say "gum" you can even show it to them. They usually back off.
Yeah and besides it keeps your jawline trim and taut. My problem is that I swallow it shortly after the flavor is gone because chewing it bores me. Fortunately, I have no tendency toward jowls. I think having a lean face is genetics. Even when I weighed 225 lbs. my face was pretty lean.
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Yeah and besides it keeps your jawline trim and taut. My problem is that I swallow it shortly after the flavor is gone because chewing it bores me. Fortunately, I have no tendency toward jowls. I think having a lean face is genetics. Even when I weighed 225 lbs. my face was pretty lean.
WHAT?
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Yeah and besides it keeps your jawline trim and taut. My problem is that I swallow it shortly after the flavor is gone because chewing it bores me. Fortunately, I have no tendency toward jowls. I think having a lean face is genetics. Even when I weighed 225 lbs. my face was pretty lean.
You know you could just throw it in the garbage at this point right?
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You know you could just throw it in the garbage at this point right?
I do know this. I think I am just being a rebellious kid and trying to see if it will actually stick my stomach together, like the adults once told me. ;D
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WHAT?
;D
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I do know this. I think I am just being a rebellious kid and trying to see if it will actually stick my stomach together, like the adults once told me. ;D
It is folklore. Gum is broken down as easily as anything else you eat.
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Down to 166-167 lbs carb deloaded. Shocking people left n right and even occasionally I get the model question at bars.
Sadly I am too short for pro modeling ( 5'9 ).
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Do you guys still stick to the diet when ill?
Feel like shit and I guess some people have less appetite anyway when sick but I don't think I can be arsed with 0 carb right now!
Nope, thats plain retarded. I got sick for close to two weeks when dieting this summer. Fuck the diet, ate more carbs and a ton of soups, vegies and fruits. Didn't binge on junkfood or McDonalds food tho.
Just lots of multi vitamin, vitamin C, magnesium and more of good stuff.
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I have my down days like today when I get watery and depleted, jeez, I feel I look like absolute shit. Too soon to carbload so I'm gonna stay like this, fuck my life.
But hell, did I fast for 24h straight and then did cardio after that :D
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I have my down days like today when I get watery and depleted, jeez, I feel I look like absolute shit. Too soon to carbload so I'm gonna stay like this, fuck my life.
Get over it! Like Scarlet O'Hara said in Gone With the Wind when all seemed lost, "After all tomorrow is another day."
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I guess in the other thread about the Arab running over the pig, we learned galenikos secret to gettin cut. Whenever hungry he just thinks of fatso oprah. :-X
;D
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Fellas: this thread (which has been the top 3 threads for the last month) has been slowing down the last few days. The people demand some Galeniko glute shots to keep the fire going for all of us who are in the trenches right now prepping/dieting. Give the people what they want, NO HOMO!
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Must be a spread glute shot though.
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How do I pay for the book?
Does Gal email you an ebook or what?
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I dont know about galenikos glute shot but I am eagerly anticipating Onetimehards shredded glute shot.
After his mammoth 60 day effort of 11,000 cals a week zero carbs for 26 days straight 12 hours a day working on roofs, cardio, training and 2+grms of gear a week they are going to be awesome.
TBH, if cswol had followed that regime he would have had ripped glutes.
Lets hope he doesnt disappoint.
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How do I pay for the book?
Does Gal email you an ebook or what?
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Just pm gal.
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How do I pay for the book?
Does Gal email you an ebook or what?
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I think they initially started with some western union, then I suggested paypal and they did, which is great. Just PM him, send him, what was that, 20$? Through paypal and you'll receive the book via email quite instantly.
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You don't realize how much people eat until you are on this diet. I'm just watching people eat multiple meals and high calories and am like man that's not gonna get ripped. No wonder the US has so much of an obesity problem. Obama needs to make galeniko and no one surgeon general; would probably cure 90% of diabetes and reduce cancer and heart attack rates.
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You don't realize how much people eat until you are on this diet. I'm just watching people eat multiple meals and high calories and am like man that's not gonna get ripped. No wonder the US has so much of an obesity problem. Obama needs to make galeniko and no one surgeon general; would probably cure 90% of diabetes and reduce cancer and heart attack rates.
Yes but some people work for a living. They need calories to survive.
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guess waht we both work for a living too ::)
calfzilla is absolutely right, the stuff that ppl down every day with the excuse they need the energy is ridiculous.
hell a huge cheat meal makes you hold water for half week if you go back to clean diet after,and you gain some fat(fuck the radiation 72hrs study,that ones not honest, too many open variables, but even that says you get fat, just later).
but those fatsos eat more than my cheatmeal is, every day or every other day ,total calories.
lol, working hard, so what, add 500-1000 calories a day if need be, but thats just the dessets calories amount of the fatsos.
its cool, let them be fat.
Come on Gal....... You should be able to tell when I am being serious by now.
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You don't realize how much people eat until you are on this diet. I'm just watching people eat multiple meals and high calories and am like man that's not gonna get ripped. No wonder the US has so much of an obesity problem. Obama needs to make galeniko and no one surgeon general; would probably cure 90% of diabetes and reduce cancer and heart attack rates.
so true it is out of control.
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You don't realize how shitty people eat until you start eating with them. Every lunch in my corporate cafeteria for 2 months. After I switched to diet I've been pissing water off for 2 days straight, I was in bathroom like every 10 minutes. What the fuck.
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You don't realize how shitty people eat until you start eating with them. Every lunch in my corporate cafeteria for 2 months. After I switched to diet I've been pissing water off for 2 days straight, I was in bathroom like every 10 minutes. What the fuck.
I piss a lot too. Especially the first week :P
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is galeniko still alive
srs question
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mouthstinko
this diet is the exact same diet as cybergenics 14-day fat loss diet and pyle smackdonalds PSFM diet
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mouthstinko
this diet is the exact same diet as cybergenics 14-day fat loss diet and pyle smackdonalds PSFM diet
you're saying that as if it's a bad thing...
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you're saying that as if it's a bad thing...
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it's not a bad thing but cybergenics printed this out over 20 fucking years ago, so it's nothing new
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mouthstinko
this diet is the exact same diet as cybergenics 14-day fat loss diet and pyle smackdonalds PSFM diet
Yes, nobody ever got lean pre-Lyle McDonald. The diet in this thread will work as will any diet that restricts calories.
However, in the long run the overwhelming majority will fail to keep the weight off simply because they don't want to change their lifestyle and, as a result will revert back to their old ways.
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Yes, nobody ever got lean pre-Lyle McDonald. The diet in this thread will work as will any diet that restricts calories.
However, in the long run the overwhelming majority will fail to keep the weight off simply because they don't want to change their lifestyle and, as a result will revert back to their old ways.
true
it another case is dumb fucks like me who think that bulking just might work ::)
just tried this recently and wasted a good half year gaining fat and water and the losing it back know again
Christ! what a pain in the ass >:(
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you're saying that as if it's a bad thing...
it's not a bad thing but cybergenics printed this out over 20 fucking years ago, so it's nothing new
tons and tons of garbage has been printed in the last twenty years also, it's good sometimes to give people a kick in the ass to make them realize how much bullshit they've been fed