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Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« on: April 15, 2012, 07:08:10 PM »
Taliban Launches Largest Attack On Kabul In 11 Years [Has Obama Lost Afghanistan?]
Guardian (UK) ^ | April 15, 2012
Posted on April 15, 2012 9:46:22 PM EDT by Steelfish

Taliban Launches Largest Attack On Kabul In 11 Years Government areas in Kabul and several other key locations in Afghanistan rocked by gunfire and explosions

Jon Boone Emma Graham Harrison in Kabul 15 April 2012 10.44 EDT

In a brazen demonstration of its ability to hit some of the best defended targets in Kabul, the Taliban mounted its largest ever co-ordinated attack in 11 years of resistance to Afghanistan's post-2001 rulers.

Dozens of fighters launched gun, rocket and suicide attacks on embassies, Nato bases, parliament and government buildings in the capital, as well as Nato targets in three eastern provinces, in what a spokesman called a "spring offensive" to demonstrate its strength. Five hours later, as dusk fell, gun battles were still raging in Kabul. The British embassy was among the targets, but insurgents succeeded only in damaging a gate.

Nato forces quickly dismissed the attacks as "largely ineffective" and emphasised that it was Afghan army forces, not Nato units, that dealt with the onslaught. Afghan units had sustained "light casualties while killing or capturing many of the suicide attackers in a matter of hours."

Witnesses reported seeing some bodies in the street, but there was no official word on any deaths. The Taliban said that the attacks, which were two months in the planning, served to show the insurgency "can attack anywhere we want". The attacks resembled an audacious assault in September when gunmen stormed an abandoned, half-built tower from where they fired rockets at the US embassy, prompting a 20-hour siege by Afghan special forces.

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2012, 09:48:31 PM »
Classic, when Obama orders the raid on Osama Bush should get the credit, when we are trying to pull out and the country is still unstable, Obama gets the blame.  You tards are pathetic.   


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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 04:53:57 AM »
haven't repubs been screaming the loudest "let's get out of afghanistan"?

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 05:02:47 AM »
Taliban Launches Largest Attack On Kabul In 11 Years [Has Obama Lost Afghanistan?]
Guardian (UK) ^ | April 15, 2012
Posted on April 15, 2012 9:46:22 PM EDT by Steelfish

Taliban Launches Largest Attack On Kabul In 11 Years Government areas in Kabul and several other key locations in Afghanistan rocked by gunfire and explosions

Jon Boone Emma Graham Harrison in Kabul 15 April 2012 10.44 EDT

In a brazen demonstration of its ability to hit some of the best defended targets in Kabul, the Taliban mounted its largest ever co-ordinated attack in 11 years of resistance to Afghanistan's post-2001 rulers.

Dozens of fighters launched gun, rocket and suicide attacks on embassies, Nato bases, parliament and government buildings in the capital, as well as Nato targets in three eastern provinces, in what a spokesman called a "spring offensive" to demonstrate its strength. Five hours later, as dusk fell, gun battles were still raging in Kabul. The British embassy was among the targets, but insurgents succeeded only in damaging a gate.

Nato forces quickly dismissed the attacks as "largely ineffective" and emphasised that it was Afghan army forces, not Nato units, that dealt with the onslaught. Afghan units had sustained "light casualties while killing or capturing many of the suicide attackers in a matter of hours."

Witnesses reported seeing some bodies in the street, but there was no official word on any deaths. The Taliban said that the attacks, which were two months in the planning, served to show the insurgency "can attack anywhere we want". The attacks resembled an audacious assault in September when gunmen stormed an abandoned, half-built tower from where they fired rockets at the US embassy, prompting a 20-hour siege by Afghan special forces.

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 06:28:52 AM »
Taliban Launches Largest Attack On Kabul In 11 Years [Has Obama Lost Afghanistan?]
Guardian (UK) ^ | April 15, 2012
Posted on April 15, 2012 9:46:22 PM EDT by Steelfish

Taliban Launches Largest Attack On Kabul In 11 Years Government areas in Kabul and several other key locations in Afghanistan rocked by gunfire and explosions

Jon Boone Emma Graham Harrison in Kabul 15 April 2012 10.44 EDT

In a brazen demonstration of its ability to hit some of the best defended targets in Kabul, the Taliban mounted its largest ever co-ordinated attack in 11 years of resistance to Afghanistan's post-2001 rulers.

Dozens of fighters launched gun, rocket and suicide attacks on embassies, Nato bases, parliament and government buildings in the capital, as well as Nato targets in three eastern provinces, in what a spokesman called a "spring offensive" to demonstrate its strength. Five hours later, as dusk fell, gun battles were still raging in Kabul. The British embassy was among the targets, but insurgents succeeded only in damaging a gate.

Nato forces quickly dismissed the attacks as "largely ineffective" and emphasised that it was Afghan army forces, not Nato units, that dealt with the onslaught. Afghan units had sustained "light casualties while killing or capturing many of the suicide attackers in a matter of hours."

Witnesses reported seeing some bodies in the street, but there was no official word on any deaths. The Taliban said that the attacks, which were two months in the planning, served to show the insurgency "can attack anywhere we want". The attacks resembled an audacious assault in September when gunmen stormed an abandoned, half-built tower from where they fired rockets at the US embassy, prompting a 20-hour siege by Afghan special forces.

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It was far more a psychological  and propaganda strike than anything tactical or strategic. Lots of suicide bombers and whatnot and NATO is correct in saying that the attacks were "largely ineffective".

As for the theater as a whole, well, probably time to go.

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 08:53:57 AM »
http://www.businessinsider.com/taliban-defectors-2012-4


Totally nuts.   


Bring em home now.    Not one more soldiers' life is worth the traitors leading this country to hell. 

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 10:08:09 AM »
Trayvon Martin and Whitney Houston deaths are much more important to the American people than the Soldiers that die everyday over there. 
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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 11:29:51 AM »
haven't repubs been screaming the loudest "let's get out of afghanistan"?

Actually, no, Democrats and liberals have been screaming that louder. Remember during the invasion of Iraq, they were saying that Afganistan was the "real war" ? And then as soon as Obama got into power they were screaming to get out. Its only during the past 3 years that more and more conservatives have been calling to get out.
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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 11:31:22 AM »
Actually, no, Democrats and liberals have been screaming that louder. Remember during the invasion of Iraq, they were saying that Afganistan was the "real war" ? And then as soon as Obama got into power they were screaming to get out. Its only during the past 3 years that more and more conservatives have been calling to get out.

If we are not willing to put our soldiers first and stop the bs ROE, and no more nation building bs, we need to get out.   

We have lost more soldiers in the last three years under obama than the previous 8 under Bush. 

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2012, 08:13:02 PM »
Trayvon Martin and Whitney Houston deaths are much more important to the American people than the Soldiers that die everyday over there. 

Did the governor of NJ flew the flag at half mass when Whitney died?

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2012, 08:19:06 PM »
Did the governor of NJ flew the flag at half mass when Whitney died?


Definitely a low moment for the fat man.   

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2012, 08:21:45 PM »

Definitely a low moment for the fat man.   

yeah what possessed him to do that?

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2012, 08:25:24 PM »
yeah what possessed him to do that?

Caught up in the hype of the moment and pandering to th mob.

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2012, 08:26:32 PM »
yeah what possessed him to do that?

pandering.

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2012, 02:53:36 AM »
Actually, no, Democrats and liberals have been screaming that louder. Remember during the invasion of Iraq, they were saying that Afganistan was the "real war" ? And then as soon as Obama got into power they were screaming to get out. Its only during the past 3 years that more and more conservatives have been calling to get out.

Afghanistan = AQ (who was behind 9/11)

The libs were right on this one

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2012, 06:00:13 AM »
LA Times Publishes Awful Afghan Photos Over Strong Objection From The Army
Robert Johnson | 52 minutes ago | 2,069 | 6


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A soldier from the U.S. Army's combat hardened 82nd Airborne Division gave 18 pictures of fellow soldiers posing with dead Afghan insurgents, and sundry body parts, to the LA Times.

David Zucchino at the Times spoke with Army leaders who asked he not publish the pictures, but Times editor Davan Maharaj said there was a larger issue at stake than just the images.

Go to the LA Times to see the full pictures >

The soldier who supplied the photos says they illustrate a "breakdown in leadership and discipline" that compromised the safety of he and  fellow soldiers, and the Times agrees.

Times Editor Davan Maharaj said, "After careful consideration, we decided that publishing a small but representative selection of the photos would fulfill our obligation to readers to report vigorously and impartially on all aspects of the American mission in Afghanistan, including the allegation that the images reflect a breakdown in unit discipline that was endangering U.S. troops."

The photos were taken during a yearlong deployment of the 3,500-member brigade, which lost 35 men during that time, according to icasualties.org, a website that tracks casualties. At least 23 were killed by homemade bombs or suicide bombers.

The mission occurred in February 2010 during a yearlong deployment of of the 3,500-member brigade when they lost 35 men, more than 20 to homemade bombs.

The men in the pictures had all been killed by bombs they'd made and were trying to plant to kill U.S. soldiers.

Stars and Stripes reports that the commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan "strongly condemned" the publishing of the photos.

"The actions of the individuals photographed do not represent the policies of ISAF or the U.S. Army," Allen is quoted as saying. "This behavior and these images are entirely inconsistent with the values of ISAF and all service members of the fifty ISAF countries serving in Afghanistan."

"These actions undermine the daily sacrifices of thousands of ISAF troops who continue to serve honorably in Afghanistan," Allen goes on to say in the news release. "We will collaborate with Afghan authorities and carefully examine the facts and circumstances shown in these photos. As part of this process, we will determine responsibility and accountability of those involved.”

Army leaders are concerned the images will incite further violence against U.S. troops following the burning of  Korans and the video of Marines urinating on dead Taliban that came out within the past several months.

No doubt that will be true to some extent, and while the anonymous soldier who gave these pictures to the LA Times may have been hoping to cause trouble for the command that made him mad, he also jeopardized the service of each of his fellow soldiers in the pictures.

There will be an investigation, regular soldiers could face legal discipline with the loss of their job and benefits. VA health care to service injuries, and the GI Bill to attend college are just a couple of benefits that could be denied to those caught up in the scandal.

The 82nd deploys a lot, and those guys have so much they're dealing with that this is the last thing they need.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-of-us-soldiers-posing-with-dead-afghans-and-body-parts-published-in-the-la-times-2012-4#ixzz1sOdohGMj









BUSH GOT BLAMED FOR THIS TYPE OF STUFF REMEMBER? 


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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2012, 06:05:59 AM »
The soldier who supplied the photos says they illustrate a "breakdown in leadership and discipline" that compromised the safety of he and  fellow soldiers, and the Times agrees.



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hhhhmmmmmm  - similar to the SS, BATFE, GSA, DOJ, EPA no ? ? ?  ? ?

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2012, 09:02:07 PM »
Afghanistan = AQ (who was behind 9/11)

The libs were right on this one


Im not sure if you read my post. As soon as Obama won the presidency the libs were pressuring him to get out of both Afghanistan and Iraq, and they pressured him not to give the general the troops that he wanted. It was never about Afghanistan being the "real war".

Oh, and by the way, it has been almost a year since Osama Bin Laden was killed. Are things in the Middle East, including Afghanistan, any better?
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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2012, 11:25:45 PM »
The soldier who supplied the photos says they illustrate a "breakdown in leadership and discipline" that compromised the safety of he and  fellow soldiers, and the Times agrees.



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hhhhmmmmmm  - similar to the SS, BATFE, GSA, DOJ, EPA no ? ? ?  ? ?

I see you connect all of these things to obama.

are you saying it's obama's fault these soldiers took horrible pics?

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 03:13:58 AM »
I see you connect all of these things to obama.

are you saying it's obama's fault these soldiers took horrible pics?


We have a breakdown all across the govt.

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2012, 01:41:38 PM »
I see you connect all of these things to obama.

are you saying it's obama's fault these soldiers took horrible pics?




"Horrible" pics?

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2012, 02:44:04 PM »
Official: Helicopter crashes in Afghanistan, likely killing 4 Americans


A Black Hawk helicopter crashed Thursday in southern Afghanistan, likely killing all four of its crew members - all of them Americans - a U.S. military official said.

The crash occurred in bad weather, though the official said "we cannot yet rule out enemy action."

Troops at a combat outpost in the area waiting to be picked up saw the crash happen, the official said. Another helicopter flying nearby was not affected.

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2012, 12:02:49 PM »
AP EXCLUSIVE: US not reporting all Afghan attacks (on U.S. troops)
 Associated Press ^ | April 30, 2012



WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S.-led military coalition in Afghanistan is under-reporting the number of times that Afghan soldiers and police open fire on American and other foreign troops.

The coalition routinely reports deliberate attacks in which a coalition soldier is killed by an Afghan in uniform. But it does not report the instances in which an Afghan wounds U.S. or NATO troops or misses his target.


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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 07:44:09 AM »
Im not sure if you read my post. As soon as Obama won the presidency the libs were pressuring him to get out of both Afghanistan and Iraq, and they pressured him not to give the general the troops that he wanted. It was never about Afghanistan being the "real war".

Oh, and by the way, it has been almost a year since Osama Bin Laden was killed. Are things in the Middle East, including Afghanistan, any better?

No but AQ was in Afghanistan not Iraq, the Bush admin made up the link, actually Saddam was not in bed with AQ

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Re: Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2012, 12:02:11 PM »
No but AQ was in Afghanistan not Iraq, the Bush admin made up the link, actually Saddam was not in bed with AQ

Bush never made up a direct link between Saddam and Al Quaida. Why do you people keep saying this? It never happened. There was no link that was claimed by the Bush Administration. Half of Dems voted for the Iraq war, including the 2004 nominee. Stop believing crap. And Al Quada was in Iraq after the invasion. They made it the battleground in the War on Terror.
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