Are we on the verge of losing Afghanistan?

[240 is Back]

Bush never made up a direct link between Saddam and Al Quaida.

Cheney did everything he could to try to make the case for a connection.  This "we dont know for sure, but look at all this..."  lol


After telling a national radio audience last week that there was no connection between the World Trade Center attacks and Saddam Hussein, "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert got an earful on Sunday from Vice President Dick Cheney, who outlined a mountain of evidence tying Iraq to the 9/11 catastrophe.

Recalling that he had told Russert two years ago that he knew of no Iraqi link to the attack, Cheney said Sunday, "Subsequent to that, we've learned a couple of things."

The Vice President contended that more recent evidence indicates "that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example."

Though he did not specifically mention the South Baghdad terrorist training camp Salman Pak, where radical Islamists rehearsed 9/11-style hijackings on a Soviet-era Tupelov 154 airliner, Cheney noted that "al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved."

Cheney also cited reports of a meeting between lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi in intelligence agent in Prague just months before the attacks, saying that U.S. intelligence has not yet been able confirm or discredit the information.

In perhaps his most startling remarks, the vice president became the first White House official to argue that there was a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda's attempt to destroy the World Trade Center in 1993, telling Russert:

"We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in '93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of '93. And we've learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven."

The vice president might have also mentioned that Ramzi Yousef, who masterminded the 1993 attack and whose laptop computer contained plans to crash U.S. airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, entered the U.S. with an Iraqi passport.

After his capture in 1995, the FBI flew Yousef over the World Trade Center and reminded him that his plan to destroy the Twin Towers had not succeeded. His reported response - "Not yet."

Last Wednesday Russert insisted to radio host Don Imus, "No one will say there was a direct involvement of Saddam Hussein in Sept. 11. ... There's no direct link that can be substantiated." The full exchange between Russert and Vice President Cheney on the evidence tying Iraq to 9/11 went like this:

RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?

CHENEY: No. I think it's not surprising that people make that connection.

RUSSERT: But is there a connection?

CHENEY: We don't know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn't have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we've learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.unknownsoldiersblog.com/2012/05/bigger-than-day.html



lets see if the ghetto thug mentions this. 

[Soul Crusher]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-s-watch-39-months-69-percent-afghan-war-casualties


Code pinko? 

[Soul Crusher]

Taliban kill 7 in Afghan capital after Obama visit
 May 2, 6:48 AM (ET)

By AMIR SHAH and CHRIS BLAKE
 
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KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - The Taliban struck back less than two hours after President Barack Obama left Afghanistan on Wednesday, targeting a foreigners' housing compound with a suicide car bomb and militants disguised as women in an assault that killed at least seven people.

It was the second major assault in Kabul in less than three weeks and highlighted the Taliban's continued ability to strike in the heavily guarded capital even when security had been tightened for Obama's visit and Wednesday's anniversary of the killing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden in neighboring Pakistan.

Obama arrived at Bagram Air Field late Tuesday, then traveled to Kabul by helicopter for a meeting with President Hamid Karzai in which they signed an agreement governing the U.S. presence after combat troops withdraw in 2014. Later, back at the base, he was surrounded by U.S. troops, shaking every hand. He then gave a speech broadcast to Americans back home, before ending his lightning visit just before 4:30 a.m.

The U.S. president, who is in the midst of a re-election campaign, touted the Navy SEAL raid that killed bin Laden a year ago Wednesday, noting that the operation was launched from a base in Afghanistan.

 
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He also said that "the tide has turned" over the last three years.

"We broke the Taliban's momentum. We've built strong Afghan security forces. We devastated al-Qaida's leadership, taking out over 20 of their top 30 leaders," he said.

But the violence that erupted about 90 minutes after his departure was a stark reminder of the difficult task still ahead for Afghan troops as they work to secure their country after U.S. and other foreign troops end their combat mission following nearly a decade at war.

The deal signed with Karzai does not commit the United States to any specific troop presence or spending. But it does allow the U.S. to potentially keep troops in Afghanistan through 2024 for two specific purposes: continued training of Afghan forces and targeted operations against al-Qaida.

The United States also promises to seek money from Congress every year to support Afghanistan.

 
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The attack began with a suicide car bomb near the gate of the privately guarded compound, which sits off Jalalabad road - one of the main thoroughfares out of the city, Interior Ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqi said.

Kabul Deputy Police Chief Daoud Amin said those killed in the blast included four people in a station wagon that was driving past the area, a passer-by and a Nepalese security guard. He didn't have the identity of the seventh person killed. The Interior Ministry said 17 other people were wounded, most Afghan children on their way to school.

A local witness said a separate group of attackers disguised in burqas - the head-to-toe robes worn by conservative Afghan women - then tried to storm the compound.

"A vehicle stopped here and six people wearing burqas entered the alley carrying black bags in their hands. When they entered the alley, there was an explosion," said Abdul Manan.

Explosions and gunfire shook the city for hours as Afghan soldiers rushed to the scene and battled the attackers.

 
(AP) President Barack Obama and Afghan President Hamid Karzai emerge from their meeting before signing a...
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A Western official who had been briefed on the assault said the attackers had breached the perimeter defense, around the compound's parking areas, but had not gotten past a secondary security gate that protects the actual living areas. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

The area appeared to have calmed down by about 10 a.m. NATO said all the attackers had been killed. It did not give a number, but the Taliban said it had deployed four fighters as it claimed responsibility for the attack.

The compound, which is known as Green Village, houses hundreds of international contractors, diplomats and aid workers in eastern Kabul. It also was the target of anti-foreigner protests following the burning of Qurans at a U.S. base in February. At that time, violent protests raged outside, but the angry crowds did not breach the compound's defenses.

The compound's main gate was destroyed, with the wreckage of the suicide bomber's car sitting in front, and the road running past it was littered with shoes, books, school supplies and the bloody ID card of a student from a nearby school.

A young man who saw the explosion said the dead pedestrian was one of his fellow classmates.

 
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"I was walking to school when I saw a very big explosion. A car exploded and flames went very high into the air," said 21-year-old Mohammad Wali. "Then I saw a body of one of my classmates lying on the street. I knew it was a suicide attack and ran away. I was so afraid."

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid claimed responsibility for the attack.

"This was a message to Obama that those are not real Afghans that are signing documents about this country," Mujahid said. "The real Afghan nation are those people that are not letting foreign invaders stay in this country or disrespect the dignity of our country."

He said the target of Wednesday's attack was a "foreign military base." A spokesman for the alliance, Capt. Justin Brockhoff, said no NATO bases came under attack.

The Green Village complex, with its towering blast walls and heavily armed security force, is very similar in appearance to NATO bases in the city. An Associated Press reporter at the scene saw a group of Afghan soldiers enter the compound, after which heavy shooting could be heard coming from inside.

Elsewhere, NATO said that two coalition service members were killed Wednesday in a bomb blast in the country's east. The alliance did not give the nationality of the troops or provide other details.

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Associated Press writers Heidi Vogt and Rahim Faiez contributed to this report.

[whork]

Bush never made up a direct link between Saddam and Al Quaida. Why do you people keep saying this? It never happened. There was no link that was claimed by the Bush Administration. Half of Dems voted for the Iraq war, including the 2004 nominee. Stop believing crap. And Al Quada was in Iraq after the invasion. They made it the battleground in the War on Terror.

Bullshit!!!

[Soul Crusher]

Obama's Afghan trip: 14,000 miles for brief remarks lacking one crucial word

By ANDREW MALCOLM
Posted 08:18 AM ET


Alex Wong / AFP / Getty Images




As usual with this president, Obama's trip to and speech from Afghanistan had way more to do with politics than any real substance.

Seven thousand miles, one way, is a long journey to share war remarks with countrymen that he should have and could have shared back home many months ago. Despite the administration's best backgrounding sales efforts, the document he signed with Afghan President Hamid Karzai is a meaningless basic agreement to talk later about forging a real agreement.
 
Nothing was essentially changed by what the media lovingly called his "secret trip" to the war zone, which was simply unannounced for security reasons.
 
The remarks (Scroll down for the full text, as usual) were well-written, even with literary flourishes about a new dawn coming as the president spoke at 4 a.m. Afghan time. He wanted to avoid any sense of "Mission Accomplished." And at 11 minutes, blessedly brief for the Real Good Talker.
 
Here's what Obama got politically from this stagecraft: Bonus public attention focused on the Osama bin Laden assassination anniversary. Photos of troops clamoring for his fist bumps. An entire day focused on him, his words and non-stop talk of the 10-year war winding down.

An entire news day, one of only 189 precious ones left before Nov. 6, not focused on Solyndras, prostitution scandals, GSA parties, $5 trillion in new national debt, no federal budget for three years running, high unemployment, sluggish growth, legal crucifixions nor Mitt Romney.
 
Nevermind the Kabul explosions, killing at least six, a couple of hours after his brief visit.
 
While Obama earned attention for a 2002 anti-Iraq war speech, the Afghan conflict has always been the "good war" in his eyes. Obama denounced President Bush's Iraq troop surge that ultimately enabled Obama to claim he ended that war, But Obama ordered two of his own, larger troop surges into Afghanistan.
 
Back in the hand-to-hand primary combat with Hillary Clinton in 2007-08, Obama controversially said he would bomb Pakistan if necessary to rout al Qaeda leaders. He did and they were. Just last week Obama loosened the reins on human targets the CIA could vaporize with its drones in Yemen, now emerging as terrorists' favored haunting grounds.
 
In the end, conservatives gave Obama more war support than his own Democrats, which neutralizes one of the GOP's traditional strong suits of national security.   
 
But something began happening more than a year ago. Maybe you didn't notice with all the parochial D.C. bickering. But Obama and chief strategist David Axelrod did. Support for the war, initially fueled by revenge over 9/11, was waning. It still is.
 
Last month an ABC News-Washington Post Poll found for the first time a majority of Republicans felt the Afghan war has not been worth the cost. They join a larger majority of two-thirds of Americans who say the same.
 
Now, someone could suggest that had the current commander-in-chief done something, anything in the way of leadership, to explain and sell his hardline, erase-al-Qaeda stand, public support would be stronger. Had Obama made even 10% of the pretend, cross-country effort he invested in selling his DOA Buffet Rule, more Americans might have been more patient.
 
But Obama didn't. In fact, Tuesday night's speech from Kabul emphasizing withdrawal was his first substantive statement in eleven (11!) months. Nothing to the nation from its leader on an ongoing war for nearly one year, while finding time for 124 campaign fundraiser speeches, more golf games and vacations.
 
Those poll numbers were still pretty persuasive for a president who struggles to reach 50% approval in an election year. As a result, contrary to the recommendations of generals, Obama launched a significant withdrawal last year, which continues this year and has all combat troops out by the end of next year.
 
One little-noticed provision of the agreement Obama and Karzai signed Tuesday, however, is that American troops will remain in Afghanistan for not one, not two, not even three more years. They will be there for 12 more years, until 2024, helping. So, John McCain was correct after all about lengthy U.S. troop stationings.
 
In his speech last night the president noted the more than a half-million Americans who've served in Afghanistan. But in remarks that Obama wanted focused on an optimistic end to the conflict, he failed to mention the 1,957 Americans who've died there since 2001, 68% of them during his presidency. And 93 in the last 122 days.
 
Nor, as it turns out, could the politically-inclined president of the United States find room anywhere among his 1,556 words for the seven letters that could make his surges and all those sacrifices seem more worthwhile: "victory."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/secret-us-program-releases-high-level-insurgents-in-exchange-for-pledges-of-peace/2012/05/06/gIQAFfJn6T_story.html?wpisrc=al_national



Unreal.    FUBO!W!!!

[Soul Crusher]

US secretly releasing Taliban fighters, report says
FOX/NewsCore ^ | May 07, 2012

Posted on Monday, May 07, 2012 7:52:36 AM by nuconvert

The US has been secretly releasing captured Taliban fighters from a detention center in Afghanistan in a bid to strengthen its hand in peace talks with the insurgent group, the Washington Post reported Monday.

The "strategic release" program of high-level detainees is designed to give the US a bargaining chip in some areas of Afghanistan where international forces struggle to exercise control, the report said.

Under the risky program, the hardened fighters must promise to give up violence and are threatened with further punishment, but there is nothing to stop them resuming attacks against Afghan and American troops.


(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...





FUCK OBAMA! 

[Soul Crusher]

Three US Soldiers Killed In Roadside Bomb Explosion In Afghanistan
 RTT News ^ | 5/7/2012 | staff



Three US soldiers were killed in an improvised explosive device attack in eastern Afghanistan on Monday.

An International Security Assistance Force statement did not disclose their nationality, deferring casualty identification procedures to the relevant national authorities, but reports quoting western officials said three American marines were the victims of an explosion that hit the vehicle they were traveling in south of a military base in Ghazni province.


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[Soul Crusher]

The Evidence: Obama Is Undermining U.S. Troops in Afghanistan to Put the Taliban in Power
 American Thinker ^ | 5/16/12 | Tara Servatius





President Obama has spent the last three years trying to figure out how to turn over Afghanistan to the Taliban without taking the political heat for it. In the process, the Obama Administration has committed a betrayal of our troops so stunning that anything done to them in or after Vietnam pales in comparison.

While the Taliban kills our troops and innocent bystanders in Afghanistan, the Obama Administration is fighting to give them the one thing they can't seem to win on the battle field: control over the whole country.

It is no accident that despite the deployment of 33,000 troops under Obama, the Taliban in Afghanistan has thrived and grown, as documented by a recent Congressional report released earlier this week. This has happened while the Pakistani Taliban and insurgent groups have been assassinated or bombed into relative submission by our drones next door in Pakistan.

Why haven't we been as successful, or as aggressive, in Afghanistan? Evidence is mounting daily that the Obama Administration has not only held back in Afghanistan, but has deliberately undermined the war effort there.

A stunning Washington Post piece on Sunday documented how we've been secretly releasing captured combatants from Afghan jails to placate the Taliban and other insurgent groups and entice them to negotiate with us. Administration officials wouldn't say if these terrorist thugs went on to murder our troops, probably because they have.

Why are we so interested in kissing up to these thugs? Obama ultimately intends for the Taliban to rule Afghanistan again, a development that could destabilize the whole region.


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...

[whork]

Im glad you agree with not voting republican so we can avoid invading countries and avoid the loss american soldiers lives in the future

[dario73]

Yeah, lets vote Democrat since they didn't vote for the war in Afghanistans and Iraq.

Did Democrats vote for both wars? Lets see:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2001/h342
House of Representatives: On September 14, 2001 bill House Joint Resolution 64 passed in the House. The totals in the House of Representatives were: 420 Ayes, 1 Nay and 10 Not Voting. The Nay was Barbara Lee, D-CA. [2] Lee is notable as the only member of either house of Congress to vote against this bill.[3]

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00281
[edit] Senate: On September 14, 2001 Senate Joint Resolution 23 passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals in the Senate were: 98 Ayes, 0 Nays, 2 Present/Not Voting (Senators Larry Craig - R and Jesse Helms - R).





http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/03/18/roll-call-democrats-who-voted-for-more-afghanistan-war/

Roll Call: Democrats Who Voted For More Afghanistan War
Peregrin Wood 3/18/2011[1] comment
Earlier this week, Cindy Sheehan challenged Democrats with a sharp question: “Are the wars only wrong when there’s a Republican president?” Democrats in Congress delivered a mixed response to that question yesterday, with a vote on House Concurrent Resolution 28, legislation introduced by Dennis Kucinich that would have, if passed into law, required President Obama to end the war in Afghanistan by the end of this year.

The vote yesterday showed a deeply divided Democratic Party in Congress. 85 House Democrats voted to end the war in Afghanistan. 99 House Democrats, however, voted to keep the decade-long war going without any plan for an end to the fighting.

The congressional Democrats who voted for war, against peace, are listed in the roll call below. If you find your U.S. Representative’s name there, and don’t like it, you can make your voice known in two ways:

1. Call your Representative’s office through the congressional switchboard at (202) 224-3121
2. Attend one of 43 antiwar protests planned across the USA this weekend.

Congressional Democrats For More War:

Gary Ackerman
Jason Altmire
Robert Andrews
John Barrow
Xavier Becerra
Shelley Berkley
Howard Berman
Sanford Bishop
Timothy Bishop
Earl Blumenauer
Dan Boren
Leonard Boswell
Robert Brady
Bruce Braley
Corrine Brown
G.K. Butterfield
Lois Capps
Dennis Cardoza
Russ Carnahan
John Carney
André Carson
Kathy Castor
Ben Chandler
James Clyburn
Gerald Connolly
Jim Cooper
Jim Costa
Joe Courtney
Mark Critz
Henry Cuellar
Elijah Cummings
Susan Davis
Rosa DeLauro Ted Deutch
Norman Dicks
John Dingell
Lloyd Doggett
Joe Donnelly
Eliot Engel
Chaka Fattah
Charles Gonzalez
Al Green
Gene Green
Colleen Hanabusa
Martin Heinrich
Brian Higgins
James Himes
Mazie Hirono
Tim Holden
Steny Hoyer
Steve Israel
Hank Johnson
Marcy Kaptur
Dale Kildee
Ron Kind
Larry Kissell
James Langevin
Rick Larsen
Sander Levin
Daniel Lipinski
David Loebsack
Nita Lowey
Ben Luján
Stephen Lynch
Jim Matheson
Carolyn McCarthy Betty McCollum
Mike McIntyre
Gregory Meeks
Brad Miller
Christopher Murphy
William Owens
William Pascrell
Nancy Pelosi
Ed Perlmutter
Gary Peters
Collin Peterson
David Price
Nick Rahall
Silvestre Reyes
Mike Ross
Steven Rothman
Lucille Roybal-Allard
C.A. Ruppersberger
Timothy Ryan
John Sarbanes
Adam Schiff
Kurt Schrader
Allyson Schwartz
Robert Scott
David Scott
Terri Sewell
Brad Sherman
Albio Sires
Adam Smith
Betty Sutton
Christopher Van Hollen
Timothy Walz
David Wu  

[whork]

Yeah, lets vote Democrat since they didn't vote for the war in Afghanistans and Iraq.

Did Democrats vote for both wars? Lets see:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2001/h342
House of Representatives: On September 14, 2001 bill House Joint Resolution 64 passed in the House. The totals in the House of Representatives were: 420 Ayes, 1 Nay and 10 Not Voting. The Nay was Barbara Lee, D-CA. [2] Lee is notable as the only member of either house of Congress to vote against this bill.[3]

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00281
[edit] Senate: On September 14, 2001 Senate Joint Resolution 23 passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals in the Senate were: 98 Ayes, 0 Nays, 2 Present/Not Voting (Senators Larry Craig - R and Jesse Helms - R).





http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/03/18/roll-call-democrats-who-voted-for-more-afghanistan-war/

Roll Call: Democrats Who Voted For More Afghanistan War
Peregrin Wood 3/18/2011[1] comment
Earlier this week, Cindy Sheehan challenged Democrats with a sharp question: “Are the wars only wrong when there’s a Republican president?” Democrats in Congress delivered a mixed response to that question yesterday, with a vote on House Concurrent Resolution 28, legislation introduced by Dennis Kucinich that would have, if passed into law, required President Obama to end the war in Afghanistan by the end of this year.

The vote yesterday showed a deeply divided Democratic Party in Congress. 85 House Democrats voted to end the war in Afghanistan. 99 House Democrats, however, voted to keep the decade-long war going without any plan for an end to the fighting.

The congressional Democrats who voted for war, against peace, are listed in the roll call below. If you find your U.S. Representative’s name there, and don’t like it, you can make your voice known in two ways:

1. Call your Representative’s office through the congressional switchboard at (202) 224-3121
2. Attend one of 43 antiwar protests planned across the USA this weekend.

Congressional Democrats For More War:

Gary Ackerman
Jason Altmire
Robert Andrews
John Barrow
Xavier Becerra
Shelley Berkley
Howard Berman
Sanford Bishop
Timothy Bishop
Earl Blumenauer
Dan Boren
Leonard Boswell
Robert Brady
Bruce Braley
Corrine Brown
G.K. Butterfield
Lois Capps
Dennis Cardoza
Russ Carnahan
John Carney
André Carson
Kathy Castor
Ben Chandler
James Clyburn
Gerald Connolly
Jim Cooper
Jim Costa
Joe Courtney
Mark Critz
Henry Cuellar
Elijah Cummings
Susan Davis
Rosa DeLauro Ted Deutch
Norman Dicks
John Dingell
Lloyd Doggett
Joe Donnelly
Eliot Engel
Chaka Fattah
Charles Gonzalez
Al Green
Gene Green
Colleen Hanabusa
Martin Heinrich
Brian Higgins
James Himes
Mazie Hirono
Tim Holden
Steny Hoyer
Steve Israel
Hank Johnson
Marcy Kaptur
Dale Kildee
Ron Kind
Larry Kissell
James Langevin
Rick Larsen
Sander Levin
Daniel Lipinski
David Loebsack
Nita Lowey
Ben Luján
Stephen Lynch
Jim Matheson
Carolyn McCarthy Betty McCollum
Mike McIntyre
Gregory Meeks
Brad Miller
Christopher Murphy
William Owens
William Pascrell
Nancy Pelosi
Ed Perlmutter
Gary Peters
Collin Peterson
David Price
Nick Rahall
Silvestre Reyes
Mike Ross
Steven Rothman
Lucille Roybal-Allard
C.A. Ruppersberger
Timothy Ryan
John Sarbanes
Adam Schiff
Kurt Schrader
Allyson Schwartz
Robert Scott
David Scott
Terri Sewell
Brad Sherman
Albio Sires
Adam Smith
Betty Sutton
Christopher Van Hollen
Timothy Walz
David Wu  

Why didnt you vote for RP?

[dario73]

Maybe it was different with resolution to declare war on Iraq. Maybe there wasn't a single Democrat that voted for the war. Lets see. Oops. Plenty of Dems on both houses voted for that war.

Representatives:
Gary Ackerman, Rob Andrews, Jim Barcia, Ken Bentsen, Shelley Berkley, Howard Berman, Marion Berry, Sanford Bishop, Rod Blagojevich, Bob Borski, Leonard Boswell, Rick Boucher, Allen Boyd, Brad Carson, Bob Clement, Bud Cramer, Joseph Crowley, Jim Davis, Peter Deutsch, Norm Dicks, Cal Dooley, Chet Edwards, Eliot Engel, Bob Etheridge, Harold Ford, Martin Frost, Dick Gephardt, Bart Gordon, Gene Green, Ralph Hall, Jane Harman, Baron Hill, Joe Hoeffel, Tim Holden, Steny Hoyer, Steve Israel, William Jefferson, Chris John, Paul Kanjorski, Patrick Kennedy, Ron Kind, Nicholas Lampson, Tom Lantos, Nita Lowey, Ken Lucas, Bill Luther, Stephen Lynch, Carolyn Maloney, Edward Markey, Frank Mascara, Jim Matheson, Carolyn McCarthy, Mike McIntyre, Michael McNulty, Martin Meehan, Dennis Moore, John Murtha, Bill Pascrell, Collin Peterson, David Phelps, Earl Pomeroy, Tim Roemer, Mike Ross, Steven Rothman, Max Sandlin, Adam Schiff, Brad Sherman, Ronnie Shows, Ike Skelton, Adam Smith, John Spratt, Charles Stenholm, John Tanner, Ellen Tauscher, Gene Taylor, Karen Thurman, Jim Turner, Henry Waxman, Anthony Weiner, Robert Wexler, Al Wynn

Senators:
Baucus (MT) Bayh (IN) Biden (DE) Breaux (LA)Cantwell (WA) Carnahan (MO) Carper (DE) Cleland (GA) Clinton (NY) Daschle (SD) Dodd (CT) Dorgan (ND) Edwards (NC) Feinstein (CA) Harkin (IA) Hollings (SC) Johnson (SD) Kerry (MA) Kohl (WI) Landrieu (LA) Lieberman (CT) Lincoln (AR) Miller (GA) Nelson (FL) Nelson (NE) Reid (NV) Rockefeller (WV) Schumer (NY) Torricelli (NJ)





http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/voted4war.html

[whork]

Maybe it was different with resolution to declare war on Iraq. Maybe there wasn't a single Democrat that voted for the war. Lets see. Oops. Plenty of Dems on both houses voted for that war.

Representatives:
Gary Ackerman, Rob Andrews, Jim Barcia, Ken Bentsen, Shelley Berkley, Howard Berman, Marion Berry, Sanford Bishop, Rod Blagojevich, Bob Borski, Leonard Boswell, Rick Boucher, Allen Boyd, Brad Carson, Bob Clement, Bud Cramer, Joseph Crowley, Jim Davis, Peter Deutsch, Norm Dicks, Cal Dooley, Chet Edwards, Eliot Engel, Bob Etheridge, Harold Ford, Martin Frost, Dick Gephardt, Bart Gordon, Gene Green, Ralph Hall, Jane Harman, Baron Hill, Joe Hoeffel, Tim Holden, Steny Hoyer, Steve Israel, William Jefferson, Chris John, Paul Kanjorski, Patrick Kennedy, Ron Kind, Nicholas Lampson, Tom Lantos, Nita Lowey, Ken Lucas, Bill Luther, Stephen Lynch, Carolyn Maloney, Edward Markey, Frank Mascara, Jim Matheson, Carolyn McCarthy, Mike McIntyre, Michael McNulty, Martin Meehan, Dennis Moore, John Murtha, Bill Pascrell, Collin Peterson, David Phelps, Earl Pomeroy, Tim Roemer, Mike Ross, Steven Rothman, Max Sandlin, Adam Schiff, Brad Sherman, Ronnie Shows, Ike Skelton, Adam Smith, John Spratt, Charles Stenholm, John Tanner, Ellen Tauscher, Gene Taylor, Karen Thurman, Jim Turner, Henry Waxman, Anthony Weiner, Robert Wexler, Al Wynn

Senators:
Baucus (MT) Bayh (IN) Biden (DE) Breaux (LA)Cantwell (WA) Carnahan (MO) Carper (DE) Cleland (GA) Clinton (NY) Daschle (SD) Dodd (CT) Dorgan (ND) Edwards (NC) Feinstein (CA) Harkin (IA) Hollings (SC) Johnson (SD) Kerry (MA) Kohl (WI) Landrieu (LA) Lieberman (CT) Lincoln (AR) Miller (GA) Nelson (FL) Nelson (NE) Reid (NV) Rockefeller (WV) Schumer (NY) Torricelli (NJ)


http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/voted4war.html

So your argument for voting is the other party are just as shitty

Why didnt you vote RP?

[dario73]

So your argument for voting is the other party are just as shitty

Why didnt you vote RP?

No, my argument is that YOU need to stop acting as if the GOP is the only "war party". You read like an idiot when you do that.

I am for ANYONE OTHER THAN lil barry.

[whork]

No, my argument is that YOU need to stop acting as if the GOP is the only "war party". You read like an idiot when you do that.
I am for ANYONE OTHER THAN lil barry.

Well considering Barry hasnt invaded any countries you actually should support him, no?

[dario73]

Biden and Clinton both voted for the war in Iraq. But, somehow it's Bush's fault. Did Bush hold a gun to their heads and force them to vote for the war?

Even that whiner, Schumer, voted for the war. Yet, he spends his entire time blaming the GOP for everything.

HYPOCRITES!!!

[whork]

Biden and Clinton both voted for the war in Iraq. But, somehow it's Bush's fault. Did Bush hold a gun to their heads and force them to vote for the war?

Even that whiner, Schumer, voted for the war. Yet, he spends his entire time blaming the GOP for everything.

HYPOCRITES!!!

Im sure the GOP is thrilled to have a useful idiot like you defending their actions despite you belonging in the 99% they dont give a shit about

But i guess you will be voting Obama then? After all he is the only pres in 12 years to not start a war?

[Soul Crusher]

Well considering Barry hasnt invaded any countries you actually should support him, no?

LOL  

We are only warring in yememn, lybia, egypt, etc.  

[dario73]

LOL  

We are only warring in yememn, lybia, egypt, etc.  

HEHEHEHEH!!!  3333, don't destroy whork's imaginary world where Dems never begin, nor support any wars or civil turmoils.

[whork]

LOL  

We are only warring in yememn, lybia, egypt, etc.  

And how many american soldiers have died in those wars?

[Soul Crusher]

And how many american soldiers have died in those wars?

So that is the standard?    Lol. 

[whork]

So that is the standard?    Lol. 

Well considering our previous pres started 2 wars where thousands of americans lost their lives i say Obama is doing one hell of a job

And thanks for not giving a fuck about our troops you really are a true neo-con

[Soul Crusher]

Well considering our previous pres started 2 wars where thousands of americans lost their lives i say Obama is doing one hell of a job

And thanks for not giving a fuck about our troops you really are a true neo-con

LOL - more soldiers have died under obama in Afghanistan in warbamas last three years than GWB in 7.