I alway liked Shawn when he was competing and I I think he's ok on the boards but it's obvious he's still hurtin from losing that NOC a few years ago. Phil was a good pro, he did the Euro tour in 89 I think and if I remember it right he did pretty well on it, he may have qualified for the olympia but I'm not sure....this is the tour where Labrada won most of the shows...Christian was there...this may have been the same tour that Hill fought Ron Love backstage...I'm going off of memory so I might be wrong....