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Dos Equis:
Whenever I see people fighting to ensure illegal aliens can flood our borders and stay once they make it across the border, I think of one word: anti-american. Or is that two words?
Look at the response to Trump dropping the citizenship question from the census: "we won." Won what? Making it easier for illegal aliens to be counted in the census to try and effect how many representatives of Congress a state may get? Anti-American.
DOJ says citizenship question being dropped from 2020 Census: NY attorney general's office
By Gregg Re | Fox News
It's 'common sense' for the government to know whether or not residents are citizens, says Mercedes Schlapp, White House director of strategic communications.
The New York attorney general’s office said Tuesday the Justice Department has decided to print the 2020 Census without the citizenship question sought by the Trump administration, ending a contentious legal dispute over an issue that could soon affect the makeup of Congress and the Electoral College.
The Supreme Court ruled last week that the question couldn't be added for now, as civil rights groups argued that the Trump administration's reasons for including the question were merely pretextual efforts to discourage illegal immigrants from responding to the Census. Population counts from the Census are used to apportion House seats among the 50 states.
In a tweet on Monday, Daniel Jacobson, who worked in the White House Counsel’s Office under President Obama, said a trial attorney at the Justice Department told him that "the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process" without the citizenship question.
"We won," Jacobson wrote.
Daniel Jacobson
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HUGE CENSUS NEWS — the Government just advised that the decision has been made to print the the census questionnaire WITHOUT the citizenship question. We won.
Daniel Jacobson
@Dan_F_Jacobson
Here’s the email from DOJ
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House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md., issued a less-than-celebratory statement calling for answers, even as he praised the decision to scrap the citizenship question.
"I am encouraged that Administration officials dropped President Trump’s unconstitutional plan to postpone the Census just because he lost the Supreme Court case," Cummings said. "The Trump Administration put our country through more than a year of wasted time and squandered resources—all in the service of an illegal attempt to add a discriminatory question based on a pretext. Now they need to direct all their attention to the nuts and bolts of putting on the Census next year. The Census Bureau has a responsibility under the Constitution to get an accurate count."
Cummings continued: "The Attorney General and the Secretary of Commerce must now turn over all of the documents our Committee has subpoenaed on a bipartisan basis."
The White House didn't immediately comment on the decision. Spokespeople for the U.S. Census Bureau have not responded to emails or phone calls seeking comment.
President Trump had tweeted that he had asked lawyers if the count can be delayed until the Supreme Court can reevaluate the matter, based on additional evidence supporting the administration's justifications for adding the citizenship question.
The Supreme Court, in its ruling last week, did not prohibit a citizenship question out of hand but dismissed the administration's provided rationale. The court suggested it would be open to different arguments from the White House.
However, experts responded that any delay could gum up the U.S. Census Bureau's finely calibrated timetable for the 10-year count. Monday was the deadline to start printing the 600 million documents that will be mailed to 130 million households for next April's census count.
For months, the Trump administration had argued that the courts needed to decide quickly whether the citizenship question could be added to the 2020 census because of the looming deadline.
"I think it's very important to find out if somebody is a citizen as opposed to an illegal," Trump told reporters Monday. "There's a big difference to me between being a citizen of the United States and being an illegal."
Former President Barack Obama's administration didn't ask the citizenship question in the 2010 census. The citizenship question was last asked on the census in 1950, but beginning in 1970, a citizenship question was asked in a long-form questionnaire sent to a relatively small number of households, alongside the main census. In 2010, there was no long-form questionnaire.
"There is no credible argument to be made that asking about citizenship subverts the Constitution and federal law," Chapman University law professor and constitutional law expert John Eastman told Fox News.
From a logistical standpoint, any delay "would be a nightmare," said John Thompson, who served as Census Bureau director during Obama's second term.
The bureau already has been in the process of signing almost 250 office leases across the U.S. and has hired 1,500 specialists partnering with community organizations to encourage people to participate in the census. More than 170,000 recruits already have filled out applications for the almost half-million positions being created for the count. The bureau has helped set up more than 1,500 committees nationwide working to get everyone to respond.
Furthermore, Congress would have to change the law for the count to be delayed because Title 13 of the U.S. Code mandates that it take place on April 1, 2020, Thompson said.
"I don't think there's any ambiguity, but I'm not a lawyer," Thompson said.
Both the census and the way individual congressional districts are crafted can change the balance of power on Capitol Hill; Shannon Bream, Fox News chief legal correspondent and anchor of 'Fox News @ Night,' reports.
Fewer people are expected to fill out the questionnaires using paper than in years past because the bureau for the first time is relying on most respondents to use the Internet to answer questions. Still, printed postcards and letters are to be sent out next March reminding residents it's time to answer the questionnaire, and those who don't respond digitally are expected to be mailed paper questionnaires.
As recently as last week, the Trump administration's solicitor general wrote in court papers that the Census Bureau needed to finalize the questions by June. Any changes to the paper questionnaire after June would impair the bureau's ability to conduct the count in a timely manner, wrote the solicitor general, Noel Francisco.
More than two dozen Democrats in the U.S. Senate last week sent a letter urging Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to drop any further pursuit of the citizenship question because it would delay the bureau's ability to conduct the count.
"The 2020 Census is less than half a year away, and any unnecessary delay in operations would impact the ability of the Census Bureau to count every person in our country," the letter read.
This past May, Montana Republican Sen. Steve Daines introduced legislation that would require the census to include a citizenship question.
"This is America," Daines told Fox News at the time. "We are a sovereign nation. It's absurd that we don't know how many citizens and non-citizens are living in this country. That's why I'm introducing this bill to require a citizenship question on the census - and ensure that states harboring millions of illegal immigrants are not rewarded with additional taxpayer dollars."
Fox News' Jake Gibson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-says-citizenship-question-being-dropped-from-2020-census-ny-attorney-generals-office
Princess L:
I'm up in the air on the question. Either way, the stats are skewed based on my experience. There's a few different versions that randomly go out and it has a 10 + year impact on a plethora of things, not just gov't. Having an accurate count of people regardless of race or citizenship is most important. Having worked for the the Dept. of Commerce, including the decennials, many people refuse to answer some or all of the questions. The 2020 is going to be a huge PITA. I'd be afraid (safety wise) to be a Census worker in any capacity this time around.
Dos Equis:
--- Quote from: Princess L on July 02, 2019, 03:49:35 PM ---I'm up in the air on the question. Either way, the stats are skewed based on my experience. There's a few different versions that randomly go out and it has a 10 + year impact on a plethora of things, not just gov't. Having an accurate count of people regardless of race or citizenship is most important. Having worked for the the Dept. of Commerce, including the decennials, many people refuse to answer some or all of the questions. The 2020 is going to be a huge PITA. I'd be afraid (safety wise) to be a Census worker in any capacity this time around.
--- End quote ---
Why do you think it's important to count illegal aliens? Only thing I can think of is something like making infrastructure decisions based on population growth?
mazrim:
Technically, it does say "persons" in the constitution, but there is also no legal reason why they cannot ask that question as well.
Dos Equis:
--- Quote from: mazrim on July 02, 2019, 05:29:01 PM ---Technically, it does say "persons" in the constitution, but there is also no legal reason why they cannot ask that question as well.
--- End quote ---
Do you really believe "persons" was meant to include illegal aliens?
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