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Dec 30th, 2013
Susanne Posel (OC) , – The Turner Radio Network (TRN) has issued a report regarding the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant stating that it is expected to affect the entire Northern Hemisphere.
According to the report: “Persons residing on the west coast of North America should IMMEDIATELY begin preparing for another possible onslaught of dangerous atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster site in Japan.”
(http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Fukushima-I2-600x379.jpg)
TEPCO has confirmed via camera surveillance, that steam has begun to pour from Reactor 3, although they have “not been identified abnormal plant conditions.”
TEPCO is reporting that “radioactive steam has suddenly begun emanating from the previously exploded nuclear reactor building #3 at the Fukuishima disaster site in Japan.”
The corporation is not clear on the details of the sudden change at Reactor 3 because of “lethal radiation levels in that building.”
Summations from experts conclude that this may “be the beginning of a ‘spent fuel pool criticality (melt down)’ involving up to 89 TONS of nuclear fuel burning up into the atmosphere and heading to North America.” Steam has been viewed coming from Reactor 3.
Educated guesses suggest that the steam is “coming from what’s left of the fifth floor of the mostly-destroyed building.”
TEPCO has admitted that “they do not know why this steam is being generated, but matter-of-factly revealed on December 28 that the steam was first spotted on December 19 for a short period of time, then again on December 24 and again on December 25.”
The accord is that “pellets of radioactive fuel, ejected when the reactor exploded, went into the spent fuel pool located above the reactor and have begun melting down so seriously that they are boiling off the water in the spent fuel pool.”
Should this be the case “the situation could escalate rapidly out of control.”
TRN is warning of preparatory measures that should be taken by those living on the West Coast of America because after the “releasing 89 tons of deadly radioactive fuel directly into the air”, it would be a matter or 2 to 3 days before the deadly material would fry North America “by [the] levels of airborne radiation and ‘hot particles’ which could kill.”
Some of the recommendations to mitigate damaging effect of radiation exposure include:
• Keep up-to-date on developments via the Internet
• Buy Duct tape, masking tape and self-adhesive weather stripping
• Cover windows and doors with plastic
• Cover electrical outlets and light switches with plastic
• Cover vents in bathrooms and stoves with plastic
• Purchase a NIOSH N100-certified filter mask for each member of the family
• Purchase disposable TYVEK suit for going outside
• Wash obsessively
http://nsnbc.me/2013/12/30/tepco-quietly-admits-reactor-3-melting-now/
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Don't worry, nuclear power is VERY SAFE.
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Jesus Christ this is terrifying really.
There have to be better precautionary measures put into place.
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Wtf? Why is this just now becoming news?
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Wtf? Why is this just now becoming news?
It has been in alternative media. Mainstream media doen't want you to know, but they can't hush it up forever.
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That's last year's information, or, to put it more precisely, speculation.
Give us the latest news or STFU, you punk.
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The news is full of all this global warming scare BS but they tell us nuclear is SAFE ::)
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Japan earthquake about 10 minutes ago. 5.1.
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What a tragic time in history this has become for the Japanese people.
It's hard to exaggerate the (temporary) demoralizing effect of this grim, radiation-rich, steam that is threatening to bring about a second round of havoc to the recovering Japanese people after the prior quake, wave and radiation trifecta that practically devastated their country. My Japanese broker friends are stunned into speechlessness and a kind of bottled mania. You've seen how the Japanese act in the videos and pictures: stoic, orderly, no looters, patient -- they are a brave and quality brilliant people, a far cry from the knuckle-dragging behemoths that heavily mass our cities and are only moved by the idea of celebrity gossip or cheap consumer products.
Some people I know feel that this will *cure* a certain malaise that has deadened the culture for the last generation. Few economies have had to endure Japan's deflationary puncture after having risen so fast. But the effort of the recovery and the spur to invention this immense labor will provoke, bode well for the young people coming up right now. They needed a challenge and a purpose. They have it now.
We are blessed gentlemen. We can still come home to endless reruns of reality tv shows and still shoot the shit with our brothers on Getbig, while not having to worry about opening our backyard door to an impending doom.
To those GetBiggers in Japan, I wish you the very best...
"1"
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NOW???
It's been melting for almost 3 years.
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I actually heard that if it completely melts down, all of the West coast might have to evacuate. Pretty serious stuff.
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The news is full of all this global warming scare BS but they tell us nuclear is SAFE ::)
unreal
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What a tragic time in history this has become for the Japanese people.
It's hard to exaggerate the (temporary) demoralizing effect of this grim, radiation-rich, steam that is threatening to bring about a second round of havoc to the recovering Japanese people after the prior quake, wave and radiation trifecta that practically devastated their country. My Japanese broker friends are stunned into speechlessness and a kind of bottled mania. You've seen how the Japanese act in the videos and pictures: stoic, orderly, no looters, patient -- they are a brave and quality brilliant people, a far cry from the knuckle-dragging behemoths that heavily mass our cities and are only moved by the idea of celebrity gossip or cheap consumer products.
Some people I know feel that this will *cure* a certain malaise that has deadened the culture for the last generation. Few economies have had to endure Japan's deflationary puncture after having risen so fast. But the effort of the recovery and the spur to invention this immense labor will provoke, bode well for the young people coming up right now. They needed a challenge and a purpose. They have it now.
We are blessed gentlemen. We can still come home to endless reruns of reality tv shows and still shoot the shit with our brothers on Getbig, while not having to worry about opening our backyard door to an impending doom.
To those GetBiggers in Japan, I wish you the very best...
"1"
Man you have a way with words.
All that I can say is I co-sign on the message.
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I actually heard that if it completely melts down, all of the West coast might have to evacuate. Pretty serious stuff.
im in seattle. I am concerned.
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People should pay attention to the Reactor number 4, and it's spent fuel pool.
The building is in poor conditions, and they need to keep the leaking pool full of water.
If the water level goes down, the fuel rods start to heat until the point of fire and explosion, generating huge amounts of radioactive contamination, and that would be a serious event, like day 1 all over again. Lots of experts are worried about reactor 4, considering the high frequence of earthquakes in the area, and the quick worsening of the buildings structural conditions.
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Sitting here with my baby on my chest, in the home I worked hard for and paid 50% off already, thinking it sure would suck to have to evacuate, never to return home. I have home owners insurance but I imagine that no one is covered for nuclear fallout.
Welp. I'll just wait for then to blow the doomsday whistle before I officially panic. Right on the tip of the West coast and I am betting mainstream media won't say anything until we're all poisoned. Maybe we're already swimming in radiation... :-\
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People should pay attention to the Reactor number 4, and it's spent fuel pool.
The building is in poor conditions, and they need to keep the leaking pool full of water.
If the water level goes down, the fuel rods star to heat until the point of fire and explosion, generating huge amounts of radioactive contamination, and that would be a serious event, like day 1 all over again. Lots of experts are worried about reactor 4, considering the high frequence of earthquakes in the area, and the quick worsening of the buildings structural conditions.
wtf, why is the reactor still operational? Dont they have a way yo take the reactor down and render it inert? Why havent the stupid fucks shut the reactor down permanently and worry about providing lower to their citizens later?
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im in seattle. I am concerned.
come on down to florida, brother. I have a nice 4 bedroom ranch with a few front rooms. we can debate politics and drink merlot til the wee hours while the wives and kids do whatever it is they do.
Unless the radiation is going to reach Florida also. In that case, get your ass over here, and we can boat-jack someone and head to Cuba.
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reactor 3 meltdown?
sounds like a daily occurance on getbig.com ::)
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Fukushima Update | Nuclear News from Japan
fukushimaupdate.com
check link above....
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im in seattle. I am concerned.
I'm in massachusetts. Your wife can stay with us if you get in trouble.
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wtf, why is the reactor still operational? Dont they have a way yo take the reactor down and render it inert? Why havent the stupid fucks shut the reactor down permanently and worry about providing lower to their citizens later?
Luckly, the reactor 4 was empty at the time of the accident due to a fuel change procedure.
Besides the reactors, the fuel pools are also a risk, and even with an empty reactor, the fuel pool can create a nuclear disaster by itself.
After a Fuel rod is used enough in the reactor, it needs to be changed, but it keeps hot for a long time, so they take those out the reactor and store it in the spent fuel tanks for many years under water until it is cool enough to go into dry storage. It happens that dry storage is a very expensive process (they will need a proper storage for millions of years), so they avoid it all they can, or don't do it at all, causing the pools to be piled up with decades of spent fuel.
Each reactor building in fukushima had a spent fuel pool at the top of the reactors, and its theorized (since Tepco didn't provided proper information) that some pools went critical after drying up causing some of the explosions (reactor 2) or was blew up in the air by a reactor explosion underneath (reactor 3) spreading the fuel rods for many miles around the plant.
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The Russians poured hundreds of tons of concrete on Chernobyl. Is that not an option here?
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come on down to florida, brother. I have a nice 4 bedroom ranch with a few front rooms. we can debate politics and drink merlot til the wee hours while the wives and kids do whatever it is they do.
Unless the radiation is going to reach Florida also. In that case, get your ass over here, and we can boat-jack someone and head to Cuba.
no shit right? Ill be sure to bring my guitar rig and we can start the getbigger band.
well call it "you look like shit, HTH"
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David Suzuki is a great man.
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The Russians poured hundreds of tons of concrete on Chernobyl. Is that not an option here?
That's what I was wondering. Didn't they also:dump tons of lead dust on it or something?
Maybe they haven't yet because I think they were working to remove rods or something?
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Don't worry, nuclear power is VERY SAFE.
It is very safe - and new technologies, next-generation reactor designs which are fail-safe by design will make it safer still with molten salt cooling systems, different reaction chemistries (think thorium) and reactors which can consume high-level nuclear waste and generate much less dangerous waste which doesn't need storage for millenia will make it even safer.
Granted, the Fukushima Daiichi was a clusterfuck. There's plenty of blame to go around. Both TEPCO and the Japanese Government fucked up big time:
- shitty maintenance and no upgrades to incorproate newer technologies (the Fukushima plant was a 1960's design and critical "safety" components had not been upgraded or tested in over forty years, nor did improved control technologies get incorporated).
- No serious disaster planning and preparation (newsflash: earthquakes happen in Japan and they can cause tsunamis; putting diesel generators and fuel storage tanks below sea level is, at best, completely foolish).
- Bad management of the crisis (between the inability to keep diesel generators running and focusing only on Reactor 2, the shutdown of the other reactors was mishandled).
It all added up and there you have it... INES Level 7 disaster.
The Russians poured hundreds of tons of concrete on Chernobyl. Is that not an option here?
The situation is quite different. The Chernobyl reactor was not housed in a container, the Fukushima reactors are and although the housing of at least one Fukushima reactor has developed cracks and is leaking, pouring cement wouldn't help in any way, especially since the biggest radiation release vector that we are worried about is hot fuel melting through the bottom of the containment vessel and melting its way down to the water table.
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reactor 3 meltdown?
sounds like a daily occurance on getbig.com ::)
Also known as "The Shitzo."
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It is very safe - and new technologies, next-generation reactor designs which are fail-safe by design will make it safer still with molten salt cooling systems, different reaction chemistries (think thorium) and reactors which can consume high-level nuclear waste and generate much less dangerous waste which doesn't need storage for millenia will make it even safer.
Granted, the Fukushima Daiichi was a clusterfuck. There's plenty of blame to go around. Both TEPCO and the Japanese Government fucked up big time:
- shitty maintenance and no upgrades to incorproate newer technologies (the Fukushima plant was a 1960's design and critical "safety" components had not been upgraded or tested in over forty years, nor did improved control technologies get incorporated).
- No serious disaster planning and preparation (newsflash: earthquakes happen in Japan and they can cause tsunamis; putting diesel generators and fuel storage tanks below sea level is, at best, completely foolish).
- Bad management of the crisis (between the inability to keep diesel generators running and focusing only on Reactor 2, the shutdown of the other reactors was mishandled).
It all added up and there you have it... INES Level 7 disaster.
The situation is quite different. The Chernobyl reactor was not housed in a container, the Fukushima reactors are and although the housing of at least one Fukushima reactor has developed cracks and is leaking, pouring cement wouldn't help in any way, especially since the biggest radiation release vector that we are worried about is hot fuel melting through the bottom of the containment vessel and melting its way down to the water table.
Thanks. I have heard good things about the 4th generation reactors that can consume their own waste. Of course, in the states there hasn't been a permit issued for a new reactor since the 70's. I am convinced that the eco-folks and the knee-jerk political class will use this as a reason to run away from nuclear power at top speed. Hell, one of the reasons that we haven't done anything with juke power in several generations was because of a fucking MOVIE.
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come on down to florida, brother. I have a nice 4 bedroom ranch with a few front rooms. we can debate politics and drink merlot til the wee hours while the wives and kids do whatever it is they do.
Unless the radiation is going to reach Florida also. In that case, get your ass over here, and we can boat-jack someone and head to Cuba.
::)
Sinkholes vs. radiation
Instant death vs. not so instant death
I'm gonna go with radiation on this one.
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What a tragic time in history this has become for the Japanese people.
It's hard to exaggerate the (temporary) demoralizing effect of this grim, radiation-rich, steam that is threatening to bring about a second round of havoc to the recovering Japanese people after the prior quake, wave and radiation trifecta that practically devastated their country. My Japanese broker friends are stunned into speechlessness and a kind of bottled mania. You've seen how the Japanese act in the videos and pictures: stoic, orderly, no looters, patient -- they are a brave and quality brilliant people, a far cry from the knuckle-dragging behemoths that heavily mass our cities and are only moved by the idea of celebrity gossip or cheap consumer products.
Some people I know feel that this will *cure* a certain malaise that has deadened the culture for the last generation. Few economies have had to endure Japan's deflationary puncture after having risen so fast. But the effort of the recovery and the spur to invention this immense labor will provoke, bode well for the young people coming up right now. They needed a challenge and a purpose. They have it now.
We are blessed gentlemen. We can still come home to endless reruns of reality tv shows and still shoot the shit with our brothers on Getbig, while not having to worry about opening our backyard door to an impending doom.
To those GetBiggers in Japan, I wish you the very best...
"1"
On the flip-side, I can't wait to see what new monsters this radiation engenders.
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On the flip-side, I can't wait to see what new monsters this radiation engenders.
Eeeek!
"1"
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Eeeek!
"1"
TIhis is all hype for "Godzilla2014"...
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ive always wondered about this "nuclear fallout" crap... when they used to set off abombs in nevada for spectators. i remeber seeing video of people watching with sunglasses and feeling the shockwave.... yet nothing happened
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ive always wondered about this "nuclear fallout" crap... when they used to set off abombs in nevada for spectators. i remeber seeing video of people watching with sunglasses and feeling the shockwave.... yet nothing happened
except that they died of all over cancer at rhe ripe age of 37.
and the blasts from the modern nuclear devices are like 100x more powerful than the original atomic ones.
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ive always wondered about this "nuclear fallout" crap... when they used to set off abombs in nevada for spectators. i remeber seeing video of people watching with sunglasses and feeling the shockwave.... yet nothing happened
Yes... nothing happened... ::) What did you expect, people to instantly start frothing at the mouth and die? The effects of exposure to radiation are known and studied pretty well, in big part because of idiots like those who were checking out nuclear detonations in the desert. The only thing that was missing from that fun family outing was the beer and the hotdogs.
Don't kid yourself: radioactive fallout is extremely dangerous, and will, if the dose is large enough, lead to a very slow and excruciatingly painful death.
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haha nuclear power is very safe.
sure.
nothing in the world is safer
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And here I was planning on making a move out west.
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ice caps gonna melt... like al gore says about global warming.....
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The west coast could very well be fucked.
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no shit right? Ill be sure to bring my guitar rig and we can start the getbigger band.
well call it "you look like shit, HTH"
Yes, I would LOVE to move back to bass, fo sho. Can you do vocal harmonies?
I'm actually developing the johnny cash solo act right now. :D
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On the flip-side, I can't wait to see what new monsters this radiation engenders.
well, the catfish in the cooling canals and lake of Chernobyl are undersized for their species (Wels Catfish), and they are feeding from the bottom of the canals and cooling pond, which has some of the highest amounts of radiation.
The birds are effed, but not monstrosities.
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Thats an "issue" with all nuclear reactors. even if the reactor is not in an active state and powered down/SCRAMED they are still hot and have to be actively cooled for months if not years. Within the reactor core you are talking about pounds and pounds of nuclear fuel aka a huge concentration of hot, radioactive material in one place.
Basically, you do not just turn of a nuclear reactor. You can greatly diminish the fission rate by using control rods with neutron absorbing elements but you can't do anything about radioactive decay.
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Yeah, and they spouted all this sort of crap when they built the older models.
And you stupid gullible assholes believed that too.
It is very safe - and new technologies, next-generation reactor designs which are fail-safe by design will make it safer still with molten salt cooling systems, different reaction chemistries (think thorium) and reactors which can consume high-level nuclear waste and generate much less dangerous waste which doesn't need storage for millenia will make it even safer.
Granted, the Fukushima Daiichi was a clusterfuck. There's plenty of blame to go around. Both TEPCO and the Japanese Government fucked up big time:
- shitty maintenance and no upgrades to incorproate newer technologies (the Fukushima plant was a 1960's design and critical "safety" components had not been upgraded or tested in over forty years, nor did improved control technologies get incorporated).
- No serious disaster planning and preparation (newsflash: earthquakes happen in Japan and they can cause tsunamis; putting diesel generators and fuel storage tanks below sea level is, at best, completely foolish).
- Bad management of the crisis (between the inability to keep diesel generators running and focusing only on Reactor 2, the shutdown of the other reactors was mishandled).
It all added up and there you have it... INES Level 7 disaster.
The situation is quite different. The Chernobyl reactor was not housed in a container, the Fukushima reactors are and although the housing of at least one Fukushima reactor has developed cracks and is leaking, pouring cement wouldn't help in any way, especially since the biggest radiation release vector that we are worried about is hot fuel melting through the bottom of the containment vessel and melting its way down to the water table.
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ive always wondered about this "nuclear fallout" crap... when they used to set off abombs in nevada for spectators. i remeber seeing video of people watching with sunglasses and feeling the shockwave.... yet nothing happened
Are you retarded? They got CANCER and died.
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Yes... nothing happened... ::) What did you expect, people to instantly start frothing at the mouth and die? The effects of exposure to radiation are known and studied pretty well, in big part because of idiots like those who were checking out nuclear detonations in the desert. The only thing that was missing from that fun family outing was the beer and the hotdogs.
Don't kid yourself: radioactive fallout is extremely dangerous, and will, if the dose is large enough, lead to a very slow and excruciatingly painful death.
I'd prefer a quick death over what some victims of extreme radiation exposure had to go through.
Google "Tokaimura nuclear accident" and first go to wiki and then go to Google pictures. Not for the faint of heart.
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haha nuclear power is very safe.
sure.
nothing in the world is safer
I didn't say that nothing in the world is safer – but that's a false dichotomy.
No form of power generation is completely safe.Hydroelectric plants typically required dams, which can fail and, in doing so, devastate huge areas. Coal plants produce hundreds of millions of tons of waste material (some of which is radioactive) and they can also explode to boot, leaving a huge crater behind. Need I go on?
Nuclear power – especially the fourth generation reactor designs – are very safe and, by design, are "fail safe" in the sense that they incorporate passive cooling and loss of control of the reaction results in a safe "automatic" shutdown because of the reactor chemistry.
The U.S. Navy, which has been utilizing nuclear power for decades, has an excellent safety record and has proven that running nuclear power plants can be done safely.
Does that mean nuclear power is all sunshine and lollipops? Of course not. Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and Fukushima all serve as reminders. It is something that needs be designed correctly, built correctly, operated correctly and maintained correctly.
You will find that in every case of failure, the failure was, ultimately, attributed to failing to do one of those four things (or maybe more than one).
It's not a pleasant thought, but examining the evidence rationally tilts the scale in favor of nuclear power over other power generation processes.
It would, of course, be wonderful if we could rely exclusively on solar and wind power generation, but we don't live in a fairy tale. We live in the real world and in the real world we need reliable and constant power; solar and wind just aren't able to sustain us at this point.
Yeah, and they spouted all this sort of crap when they built the older models.
And you stupid gullible assholes believed that too.
I doubt anybody "spouted" the sort of statements being made today about 4th generation reactors for previous generation designs.
Facts are facts: new designs don't require active cooling and use molten salts instead of steam, do not require pressurized vessels, have reaction chemistries that inherently scram the reactor if reactor control is compromised and consume high-level nuclear waste and actinides. These are easily verifiable facts: the physics and the numbers speak volumes. You may not care to listen (or know how to read) but those of us that do can see how much better the 4th generation reactor designs are.
The gullible are those that don't understand the topic, who don't have the ability to understand it and who rely on parroting the opinion of others (who may not know better either). And there's plenty of gullible people to go around. Look at how many idiots are complaining about wifi causing cancer, vaccines causing autism, gmo foods causing deformities and so on.
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I doubt anybody "spouted" the sort of statements being made today about 4th generation reactors for previous generation designs.
Facts are facts: new designs don't require active cooling and use molten salts instead of steam, do not require pressurized vessels, have reaction chemistries that inherently scram the reactor if reactor control is compromised and consume high-level nuclear waste and actinides. These are easily verifiable facts: the physics and the numbers speak volumes. You may not care to listen (or know how to read) but those of us that do can see how much better the 4th generation reactor designs are.
The gullible are those that don't understand the topic, who don't have the ability to understand it and who rely on parroting the opinion of others (who may not know better either). And there's plenty of gullible people to go around. Look at how many idiots are complaining about wifi causing cancer, vaccines causing autism, gmo foods causing deformities and so on.
All you are is a parrot.
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I didn't say that nothing in the world is safer – but that's a false dichotomy.
No form of power generation is completely safe.Hydroelectric plants typically required dams, which can fail and, in doing so, devastate huge areas. Coal plants produce hundreds of millions of tons of waste material (some of which is radioactive) and they can also explode to boot, leaving a huge crater behind. Need I go on?
Nuclear power – especially the fourth generation reactor designs – are very safe and, by design, are "fail safe" in the sense that they incorporate passive cooling and loss of control of the reaction results in a safe "automatic" shutdown because of the reactor chemistry.
The U.S. Navy, which has been utilizing nuclear power for decades, has an excellent safety record and has proven that running nuclear power plants can be done safely.
Does that mean nuclear power is all sunshine and lollipops? Of course not. Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and Fukushima all serve as reminders. It is something that needs be designed correctly, built correctly, operated correctly and maintained correctly.
You will find that in every case of failure, the failure was, ultimately, attributed to failing to do one of those four things (or maybe more than one).
It's not a pleasant thought, but examining the evidence rationally tilts the scale in favor of nuclear power over other power generation processes.
It would, of course, be wonderful if we could rely exclusively on solar and wind power generation, but we don't live in a fairy tale. We live in the real world and in the real world we need reliable and constant power; solar and wind just aren't able to sustain us at this point.
I doubt anybody "spouted" the sort of statements being made today about 4th generation reactors for previous generation designs.
Facts are facts: new designs don't require active cooling and use molten salts instead of steam, do not require pressurized vessels, have reaction chemistries that inherently scram the reactor if reactor control is compromised and consume high-level nuclear waste and actinides. These are easily verifiable facts: the physics and the numbers speak volumes. You may not care to listen (or know how to read) but those of us that do can see how much better the 4th generation reactor designs are.
The gullible are those that don't understand the topic, who don't have the ability to understand it and who rely on parroting the opinion of others (who may not know better either). And there's plenty of gullible people to go around. Look at how many idiots are complaining about wifi causing cancer, vaccines causing autism, gmo foods causing deformities and so on.
Chernobyl didn't even have a containment vessel for the reactor vessel. Essentially the Russians took a Home Depot esque building and put a nuclear reactor in it with cooling pipes, turbines and electronics :D
If you guys are interested look up Westinghouse AP600 and AP1000 as well as General Electric ESWBR. Both types rely exclusively on passive cooling for emergencies meaning the primary components of the emergency cooling system do not require electrical power whatsoever.
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All you are is a parrot.
Coming from a troll, I think that's actually high praise.
Chernobyl didn't even have a containment vessel for the reactor vessel. Essentially the Russians took a Home Depot esque building and put a nuclear reactor in it with cooling pipes, turbines and electronics :D
Right. The Chernobyl reactor was built with minimal safeties (including no containment vessel) because the Russians felt pretty confident in the design.
If you guys are interested look up Westinghouse AP600 and AP1000 as well as General Electric ESWBR. Both types rely exclusively on passive cooling for emergencies meaning the primary components of the emergency cooling system do not require electrical power whatsoever.
Ugh, I'm not big on pressurized water designs. There are serious cavitation issues that can develop. The newer molten salt designs are genuinely much better. Of course, the newer pressurized water designs, like the Westinghouse reactors, are orders of magnitude better and safer than the stuff that was running over at Fukushima.
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Those stuped Japs. Never were clever. Never.
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Nuclear fission is the only process that can generate dense energy on an industrial scale that doesn't require burning anything.
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Those stuped Japs. Never were clever. Never.
That's ridiculous, they actually have a reputation for high quality engineering and innovation. Sales man everywhere have uttered the phrase “Made in Japan” to help sell their products. Think 'Toyota' or 'Sony'. The Japanese build great electronic equipment, cars, motorcycles etc. Their reputation has dwindled somewhat but they are still considered far superior to countries such as China and America. In engineering terms, America was long the laughing stock of the world, building cars that were inefficient and unreliable. If you were to compare a Honda Motorcycle with a Harley Davidson in terms of quality, engineering, modern technology use, reliability and efficiency, there really is NO comparison. Although modern Harleys have improved somewhat thanks to using foreign parts made in asian Countries. During the era (1969 – 1981), Harley Davidson motorcycles were known as ‘Hardly-Ableson.’.
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That's ridiculous, they actually have a reputation for high quality engineering and innovation. They build great electronic equipment, cars, motorcycles etc. Their reputation has dwindled somewhat but still considered for superior to countries such as China and America. In engineering terms, America was long the laughing stock of the world, building cars that were inefficient and unreliable. If you were to compare a Honda Motorcycle with a Harley Davidson in terms of quality, engineering, modern technology use, reliability and efficiency, there really is NO comparison.
As opposed to here where it's chinese quality at australian prices. ::) Do they even make anything here? It's like one big warehouse.
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That's ridiculous, they actually have a reputation for high quality engineering and innovation. Sales man everywhere have uttered the phrase “Made in Japan” to help sell their products. Think 'Toyota' or 'Sony'. The Japanese build great electronic equipment, cars, motorcycles etc. Their reputation has dwindled somewhat but they are still considered far superior to countries such as China and America. In engineering terms, America was long the laughing stock of the world, building cars that were inefficient and unreliable. If you were to compare a Honda Motorcycle with a Harley Davidson in terms of quality, engineering, modern technology use, reliability and efficiency, there really is NO comparison. Although modern Harleys have improved somewhat thanks to using foreign parts made in asian Countries.
You are wrong. No Innovations at all. Just reusage of allready invented stuff, nothing more. I mean really new stuff in science.
For example motorcycles, you were mentioning: electronics were invented by white ppl, internal combustion engine were invented by white ppl.
All modern stuff were discovered/invented by white ppl. WTF even wheel's were invented by white ppl.
Radioctivity were discovered by white ppl (Marie Curie, Henri Becquerel); nucklear fussion were discovered by white man (Otto Hahn).
What else ?
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Those stuped Japs. Never were clever. Never.
What are you so cocky about? It's gonna happen in America too.
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I'd prefer a quick death over what some victims of extreme radiation exposure had to go through.
Google "Tokaimura nuclear accident" and first go to wiki and then go to Google pictures. Not for the faint of heart.
Why didn't they just kill these people... would have been way more humane.
(http://h6img.com/g/8/tokaimura-nuclear-accident-3.jpg)
Anyway I agree with Avxo, I think it is possible to build and maintain a relatively safe reactor. But we all know how people act when money is on the line. Design, maintenance etc. will be comromised because of human greed, and this is the biggest danger of nuclear energy. How on earth is it possible that there are still RMBK reactors operational in 2014?
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Karma is a biatch.
First the usa drop radiation in japan, 70 years later payback happens.
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You are wrong. No Innovations at all. Just reusage of allready invented stuff, nothing more. I mean really new stuff in science.
For example motorcycles, you were mentioning: electronics were invented by white ppl, internal combustion engine were invented by white ppl.
All modern stuff were discovered/invented by white ppl. WTF even wheel's were invented by white ppl.
Radioctivity were discovered by white ppl (Marie Curie, Henri Becquerel); nucklear fussion were discovered by white man (Otto Hahn).
What else ?
For starters, the Japanese are linked with countless innovations, such as: Wireless transmission, Flat panel displays, Bullet trains, Flash memory, Blue laser, Compact Discs, Blu-ray Discs, Android (robots), Motion-sensing controllers, Pocket calculators, General anesthesia, the Digital Camera just to name a few.
And secondly, who cares who invented all that stuff, the fact is who has utilised it the best. And the Japanese are far superior when making high quality products than most of Europe , China and America. This is common knowledge.
Richard Lynn’s books “IQ and the Wealth of Nations” and “Race Differences in Intelligence" based on Worldwide Cultural IQ comparisons sees the Japanese come in 5th with an an above average score of 105. The top 5 are all from the East Asian Countries. Moving over to Europe, the UK scores 100, Germany is just behind on 99 along with several countries like Finland. The US is just behind on 98. Only a fool would think the Japanese are fools.
Not only this, the reactor at Fukushima was American designed and made and the Americans decided how close to the water the reactor should be. The plant comprises six separate boiling water reactors originally designed by General Electric. In 1971, General Electric designed, built and delivered the first, now-exploded, Mark 1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant and that design was also used for four of the other five reactors.
Also,there was a Whistleblower by the name of Dale Bridenbaugh, a former engineer for GE, he exposed a critical flaw in the reactor design that was so bad, he recommended all Mark 1 reactors be shut down to repair them. This didn't happen. God Bless Americans love of putting profit over other peoples welfare.
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There is a lot of politics in play with nuke energy too. The greens hate it, and actively agitate against it and lobby hard against it. The a Saudis hate it (obviously) and finance the greens.
With no new plants having been built in th US in over 30 years, it's not hard to see how the operating plants get obsolete fast, but you can't replace them with a new one, because that would require a DOE cert, which the US is not permitting.
We need several hundred gen4 reactors built immediately, IMHO.
Also, I like the idea of the Thorium or Sodium-6 mini reactor "nuclear batteries" that generate enough power for several neighborhoods, are the size of a large car, and are encased in concrete and self-sufficient for decades. Even the byproducts are not refineable for weapons-purposes. I would love to see towns raise a bond to go off the grid completely, now THAT'S local governance.
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http://www.eutimes.net/2014/01/underground-nuclear-explosion-at-crippled-japan-atomic-plant-shocks-world/
Dunno how reliable the "EU Times" is, but this shit is starting to concern me.
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What a tragic time in history this has become for the Japanese people.
It's hard to exaggerate the (temporary) demoralizing effect of this grim, radiation-rich, steam that is threatening to bring about a second round of havoc to the recovering Japanese people after the prior quake, wave and radiation trifecta that practically devastated their country. My Japanese broker friends are stunned into speechlessness and a kind of bottled mania. You've seen how the Japanese act in the videos and pictures: stoic, orderly, no looters, patient -- they are a brave and quality brilliant people, a far cry from the knuckle-dragging behemoths that heavily mass our cities and are only moved by the idea of celebrity gossip or cheap consumer products.
Some people I know feel that this will *cure* a certain malaise that has deadened the culture for the last generation. Few economies have had to endure Japan's deflationary puncture after having risen so fast. But the effort of the recovery and the spur to invention this immense labor will provoke, bode well for the young people coming up right now. They needed a challenge and a purpose. They have it now.
We are blessed gentlemen. We can still come home to endless reruns of reality tv shows and still shoot the shit with our brothers on Getbig, while not having to worry about opening our backyard door to an impending doom.
To those GetBiggers in Japan, I wish you the very best...
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well put omr, you are not as dumb as shizzo looks
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http://www.eutimes.net/2014/01/underground-nuclear-explosion-at-crippled-japan-atomic-plant-shocks-world/
Dunno how reliable the "EU Times" is, but this shit is starting to concern me.
more reliable than msnbc
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For anyone who wants updates about what is going on in Fukushima and other frightening nuclear concerns around the world, here's the site for you...
http://enenews.com
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I suggest everyone on the West Coast run out and stockpile duct tape, bottled watter, potted meat and generators.
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This is some horrifying shit. I think im going to head back to Texas.
Is this real? It feels surreal and I want to pass it off as typical conspiracy theorist alarmism but there is a lot of info out there and something is telling me that I need to be concerned......
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This is some horrifying shit. I think im going to head back to Texas.
Is this real? It feels surreal and I want to pass it off as typical conspiracy theorist alarmism but there is a lot of info out there and something is telling me that I need to be concerned......
The real conspiracy is the attempted cover-up of all of it.
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For starters, the Japanese are linked with countless innovations, such as: Wireless transmission, Flat panel displays, Bullet trains, Flash memory, Blue laser, Compact Discs, Blu-ray Discs, Android (robots), Motion-sensing controllers, Pocket calculators, General anesthesia, the Digital Camera just to name a few.
And secondly, who cares who invented all that stuff, the fact is who has utilised it the best. And the Japanese are far superior when making high quality products than most of Europe , China and America. This is common knowledge.
Richard Lynn’s books “IQ and the Wealth of Nations” and “Race Differences in Intelligence" based on Worldwide Cultural IQ comparisons sees the Japanese come in 5th with an an above average score of 105. The top 5 are all from the East Asian Countries. Moving over to Europe, the UK scores 100, Germany is just behind on 99 along with several countries like Finland. The US is just behind on 98. Only a fool would think the Japanese are fools.
Not only this, the reactor at Fukushima was American designed and made and the Americans decided how close to the water the reactor should be. The plant comprises six separate boiling water reactors originally designed by General Electric. In 1971, General Electric designed, built and delivered the first, now-exploded, Mark 1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant and that design was also used for four of the other five reactors.
Also,there was a Whistleblower by the name of Dale Bridenbaugh, a former engineer for GE, he exposed a critical flaw in the reactor design that was so bad, he recommended all Mark 1 reactors be shut down to repair them. This didn't happen. God Bless Americans love of putting profit over other peoples welfare.
Good post.
After all this time and no solution not even efficient temporary solutions. Gesh.
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This is some horrifying shit. I think im going to head back to Texas.
Is this real? It feels surreal and I want to pass it off as typical conspiracy theorist alarmism but there is a lot of info out there and something is telling me that I need to be concerned......
No shit. I've seen nothing about it on BBC or the news. Goes to show, that getbig being my first source of breaking news is spot on. ;D
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This is some horrifying shit. I think im going to head back to Texas.
Is this real? It feels surreal and I want to pass it off as typical conspiracy theorist alarmism but there is a lot of info out there and something is telling me that I need to be concerned......
I don't know, but I do know the massive earthquake was very much real. The devastating tsunami that followed the earthquake was very much real. The nuclear plant explosions that followed the tsunami were very much real.
But the government and TEPCO have been saying all along that there is nothing to worry about.
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And there was a 5.1 magnitude quake reported in Japan last week. It was quickly in and out of my twitter feed and forgotten.
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The real conspiracy is the attempted cover-up of all of it.
Conspiracy ::) Oh brother
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"The page shows a photograph of Reactor 3 steaming vigorously to lend support to the contention above.
The problem? It is a photo from March 2011 right after the building blew up."
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"The page shows a photograph of Reactor 3 steaming vigorously to lend support to the contention above.
The problem? It is a photo from March 2011 right after the building blew up."
haha, yeah o saw that. Problem is, its being widely reported that there were several underground explosions over the last couple days and olumes of steam were seen rising from the reactor over christmas time... so the picture, accurate or not, is kind of irrelevant.
several european and Russian websites are covering the steam/explosions. The question is,how credible are they? Im not european or russian so I wouldnt know.
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haha, yeah o saw that. Problem is, its being widely reported that there were several underground explosions over the last couple days and olumes of steam were seen rising from the reactor over christmas time... so the picture, accurate or not, is kind of irrelevant.
several european and Russian websites are covering the steam/explosions. The question is,how credible are they? Im not european or russian so I wouldnt know.
I think the EU Times is bullshit, and InfoWars, well...
I am not buying it right now, that said, I still have most of my MOPP, a bunch of masks with N95 filters and several doses of IOSAT for each family member.
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I think the EU Times is bullshit, and InfoWars, well...
I am not buying it right now, that said, I still have most of my MOPP, a bunch of masks with N95 filters and several doses of IOSAT for each family member.
Dude... did you tell me youre not prior military? Wtf?
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It's only radioactive if you want it to be...
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Dude... did you tell me youre not prior military? Wtf?
Once a NBC First Responder, but not military per-se. Attached to a state unit.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=512898.0;attach=548758;image)
LOL... ;D
Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Toy Laboratory
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The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is a toy lab set produced by Alfred Carlton Gilbert and sold between 1950 and 1951. The set originally sold for $49.50 ($458.99 in 2011 US dollars)[2] and contained the following:
Geiger-Müller counter
Electroscope
Spinthariscope
Wilson cloud chamber
Low-level radiation sources:
Alpha particles (Pb-210 and Po-210)
Beta particles (Ru-106)
Gamma particles (possibly Zn-65)
Four Uranium-bearing ore samples
Nuclear spheres for making a molecular model of an alpha particle.
Prospecting for Uranium — a book
Gilbert Atomic Energy Manual
"Learn How Dagwood Split the Atom" comic book
Three C batteries
1951 Gilbert Toys catalog
The lab was pulled from the shelves after less than a year due to concerns that children could ingest the radiation sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_U-238_Atomic_Energy_Laboratory
"COMPLETELY SAFE"
(http://gombessa.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/labad.jpg)
http://gombessa.tripod.com/scienceleadstheway/id4.html
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TMB;DR.
here is some truth:
http://japandailypress.com/japanese-scientists-plan-to-recreate-fukushima-meltdown-to-learn-more-about-crisis-1042211/
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Also known as "The Shitzo."
;D ;D ;D
Radiation means slow death, sometimes painful - cool mutations hardly happen. Japan and China are already at each others throat over the isles that could serve as a base for new japanese Lebensraum.
If MuscleCenter doesn't use his elder-powers on the leaking reactor Asia will implode into war.
Btw, legend has it that Donkey Kong's bedtime reading is happening now independently from any light sources.
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I'd prefer a quick death over what some victims of extreme radiation exposure had to go through.
Google "Tokaimura nuclear accident" and first go to wiki and then go to Google pictures. Not for the faint of heart.
(http://h6img.com/g/8/tokaimura-nuclear-accident-2.jpg)
a japanese BBQ. medium rare.
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just shows the japs dont know howto handle real technology
I wonder who built the reactors?
mr putin?
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just shows the japs dont know howto handle real technology
I wonder who built the reactors?
mr putin?
The Reactors are American built. No surprises there.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-to-worry-about-after-fukushima-nuclear-disaster
'Despite fresh worries about a new meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi complex in Japan, the steam that set off this concern is merely a result of atmospheric conditions—and a reactor that is still hot from having melted down in 2011.'
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Making light of this subject is idiotic. This has the capacity to cause some serious damage to the world. Just understand that the damage is most likely far worst than what is being reported. I live in Massachusetts so I'm safer for now, but the water is being polluted, the radiation is already hitting the West Coast and has been for some time. This is some scary shit and probably the most important event going on in the entire world.
End is nigh...
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Don't worry, nuclear power is VERY SAFE.
Yes. Let's build more plants. It's unlikely there will be another accidents.