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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: theoperator on November 11, 2006, 06:21:48 PM
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what ones have u had good experiences with? i want whey protein for after i workout. im just gonna mix it with water probly so sumhting that doesnt taste bad and is pretty cheap. im hoping to get it tommorow so i can start using it monday. any of them that u saw gains with that u think were directly related to taking it?
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there are lots of good ones to choose from...i use isopure by natures best.
for your pwo shake you should also pick up some dextrose to mix with the protein.
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Honestly..like..ust buy whatevers cheapest. if you're a big fatty with heart problems or whatever the fuck, get one with low cholesterol i guess...but honestly....in my opinion, protein is protein, get waht you think tastes better, or whats cheaper.
Thats what i do..granted, i look liek shit on a stick
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I use the stuff from Costco called Pro Rated Premium. Its got a blend of proteins. Its cheap @ $25 for 6lbs. I've used it for years and see nothing wrong with it. I would prefer to use Optimum Pro Complex but I cant afford that stuff all the time.
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It takes some trial and error to find a good one, some brands i couldnt' diegest too well.
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I look for value for money, e.g. protein per 30g serve. The most protein per serve at the least price. Alot of the "mass gainers" which combine carbs and protein may be alot cheaper, but they often have much less protein per serve, because they use carbs instead.
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stick with whole foods, its cheaper and more effective.
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stick with whole foods, its cheaper and more effective.
stupid... he's looking for protein powder not advice
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stupid... he's looking for protein powder not advice
no shit. i get tired of all the jackasses and their 'whole food' crap. not everyone has the time to eat 10 whole food meals a day.
try Optimum Nutrition. tastes great and is reasonably priced
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Hit up www.trueprotein.com (http://www.trueprotein.com) True Protein has the best products I have tried, their prices are low, and unlike the vast majority of supplement companies, they are completely honest with their customers...
Whatever you do, don't spend a cent on muscletech products.
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no shit. i get tired of all the jackasses and their 'whole food' crap. not everyone has the time to eat 10 whole food meals a day.
try Optimum Nutrition. tastes great and is reasonably priced
Not to mention the fact that if I ate chicken instead of protein powder I would be spending like $45 a week rather than $15. How is whole food cheaper? And who in the hell has time to cook all that meat???
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I use the stuff from Costco called Pro Rated Premium. Its got a blend of proteins. Its cheap @ $25 for 6lbs. I've used it for years and see nothing wrong with it. I would prefer to use Optimum Pro Complex but I cant afford that stuff all the time.
im glad u said this because i have a question about it. i almost picked this stuff up because its cheap and its whey protein and all of that good stuff but i looked and the third ingredient is sumthin called MICELLAR CASEIN. i didnt know what is was so i looked it up at home and found out that Micellar casein is an extremely slow digesting protein source. i know its still good for your muscles and all but wouldnt that be bad for you post workout? i know it contains a few kinds of fast digesting proteins as well but wouldnt this micellar crap kinda slow digestion of the whole thing?
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/specp.html
anyone ever tried this kind? im thinking about getting it. the bottom line about it is:
95 calories
24 grams of protein
less that one gram of fat
less than one carb
Ingredients are:
Water-washed isolated soy protein, whey protein isolates, whey protein concentrate, isolated sasein peptides, whey protein dyrolsates, glutmaine, peptides, l-carnitine, natural and artificial flavors, cocoa, guar gum, stevia, acesulfame potassium.
it costs 14.95 for two pounds (60 total servings) i think its a pretty good price but it may be cheaper other places. im only gonna use it after my workouts so it should last me a long time because im starting a new program where i only train 3 days a week. so assuming no injuries this will last me... 20 weeks=5 months. pretty good i think.
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....and found out that Micellar casein is an extremely slow digesting protein source....
casein is good to take before you go to bed. it digests slowly so your body has a more steady protein intake throughout the night. i would not use casein in a post-workout shake.
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/specp.html
anyone ever tried this kind? im thinking about getting it. the bottom line about it is:
95 calories
24 grams of protein
less that one gram of fat
less than one carb
Ingredients are:
Water-washed isolated soy protein, whey protein isolates, whey protein concentrate, isolated sasein peptides, whey protein dyrolsates, glutmaine, peptides, l-carnitine, natural and artificial flavors, cocoa, guar gum, stevia, acesulfame potassium.
it costs 14.95 for two pounds (60 total servings) i think its a pretty good price but it may be cheaper other places. im only gonna use it after my workouts so it should last me a long time because im starting a new program where i only train 3 days a week. so assuming no injuries this will last me... 20 weeks=5 months. pretty good i think.
my math may be wrong, but 2 pounds is around 900 grams. if you're getting 60 servings that would make each serving roughly 15 grams? something doesn't add up there
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Probably get hell for this.....but GNC's 100% whey protein is decent priced. When I worked their in college, Optimum Nutrition actually manufactured the stuff for Gnc....or at least that's what we were told....dont' know if it's still true, but ....I've tried the GNC stuff and It's absolutely identical in taste to the ON stuff.
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Probably get hell for this.....but GNC's 100% whey protein is decent priced. When I worked their in college, Optimum Nutrition actually manufactured the stuff for Gnc....or at least that's what we were told....dont' know if it's still true, but ....I've tried the GNC stuff and It's absolutely identical in taste to the ON stuff.
I've used a weight gainer by them before...along time ago. It tasted really good actually, but it was kind of expensive.
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im glad u said this because i have a question about it. i almost picked this stuff up because its cheap and its whey protein and all of that good stuff but i looked and the third ingredient is sumthin called MICELLAR CASEIN. i didnt know what is was so i looked it up at home and found out that Micellar casein is an extremely slow digesting protein source. i know its still good for your muscles and all but wouldnt that be bad for you post workout? i know it contains a few kinds of fast digesting proteins as well but wouldnt this micellar crap kinda slow digestion of the whole thing?
I dont think the ratio of micellar casein is so much that it over-powers the whole thing. It hasnt let me down and I have tried just about every protein out there. Like I said there are some better ones but not for the money. If you are concerned with it then just get Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey. Its good stuff too and almost as cheap!
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/specp.html
Ingredients are:
Water-washed isolated soy protein . . .
While there is some research pointing to soy as an effective protein source, it has somewhat of a checkered reputation for my taste. I stick with whey (most easily absorbed) and then milke or egg based protein for nighttime consumption.
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Hit up www.trueprotein.com (http://www.trueprotein.com) True Protein has the best products I have tried, their prices are low, and unlike the vast majority of supplement companies, they are completely honest with their customers...
Whatever you do, don't spend a cent on muscletech products.
Great post! Also very true! Don't even consider spending a single cent on M.T. Inc products. Be smarter that that.
Trueprotein.com or my 2 favorite companies are Beverly International or Pride Nutrition.
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I dont think the ratio of micellar casein is so much that it over-powers the whole thing. It hasnt let me down and I have tried just about every protein out there. Like I said there are some better ones but not for the money. If you are concerned with it then just get Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey. Its good stuff too and almost as cheap!
ya you might be right that it doesnt make too much of a difference but i dont want to end up feeling i spent my money the wrong way or anything so this is what i got. the ON 100 % whey like u said, i havent heard any complaints about it and my brother used to use it and he liked it.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html
its got 24 grams of protein
3 grams of carbs
1.5 grams of fat
i just ordered it off bodybuilding.com. 5 lb.'s for 35.00 (including shipping and handling)
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Cant go wrong with that! Good choice!
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Protein powder is protein powder, they are all virtually the same. One thing, If it shakes up smoothly, its good whey, if it shakes up and is still lumpy, that means it was fucked up in the heating process.
But theres really none BETTER than the other if they both beat the shake it up test.
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It takes some trial and error to find a good one, some brands i couldnt' diegest too well.
Me too especially EAS. I go for Ultimate and Dymatize protein!
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there are lots of good ones to choose from...i use isopure by natures best.
for your pwo shake you should also pick up some dextrose to mix with the protein.
It is a good idea. I don't buy dextrose, I usually mix protein with low fat milk, cause it is also rich in carbohydrates.
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It is a good idea. I don't buy dextrose, I usually mix protein with low fat milk, cause it is also rich in carbohydrates.
Interesting. I had never considered whether the carbs in milk would be effective for post workout purposes. After doing a search I found the following article which claims milk is NOT effective as a pwo source of carbs:
"As for lactose ("milk sugar"), its glycemic rating is moderate, higher than fructose but lower than sucrose. It is also a disaccharide constituting of one molecule of galactose and one of glucose. So it is half galactose. And again, galactose can be used by the body to restore liver glycogen but not muscle glycogen. So again, in small amounts it might be okay, but it should not be the primary carb. What this means is that milk would not be a good source of carbs post-workout."
http://www.fitnessforoneandall.com/powerlifting/article/diet/post-workout/part_one.htm
By the way, do you have info to the contrary? I would be interested in your thoughts or others' thoughts on this subject. Currently, I'm using dextrose for pwo purposes.
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By the way, I just finished reading the article that I quoted in the prior post which is titled "Post-Workout Drink Part One: Carbs, Protein, and Fat" by Gary F. Zeolla. Highly recommended well thought out, scientific and practical look at the subject including the author's detailed observations as he experimented.
Zeolla concludes that maltodextrin, not dextrose or a combination is the best pwo carb source and recommends "a mixture of hydrolyzed whey, whey isolate, and whey concentrate" for the pwo protein source and explains why.
http://www.fitnessforoneandall.com/powerlifting/article/diet/post-workout/part_one.htm
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Interesting. I had never considered whether the carbs in milk would be effective for post workout purposes. After doing a search I found the following article which claims milk is NOT effective as a pwo source of carbs:
"As for lactose ("milk sugar"), its glycemic rating is moderate, higher than fructose but lower than sucrose. It is also a disaccharide constituting of one molecule of galactose and one of glucose. So it is half galactose. And again, galactose can be used by the body to restore liver glycogen but not muscle glycogen. So again, in small amounts it might be okay, but it should not be the primary carb. What this means is that milk would not be a good source of carbs post-workout."
http://www.fitnessforoneandall.com/powerlifting/article/diet/post-workout/part_one.htm
By the way, do you have info to the contrary? I would be interested in your thoughts or others' thoughts on this subject. Currently, I'm using dextrose for pwo purposes.
Well... I remember reading something like you wrote in your post anda I remember something about it.
My choiche for milk has several reasons:
1. As you well know our body needs fat to promote test production. Low fat milk has enogh fat to enhance such process without storing fat.
2. Milk has enough hydrates to mantain your protein synthesis balance during the "anabolic" window created by workout, which allows insulin to directly discharge aminos into your bloodstream and feed the cells.
3. It is rich in B vitamines, especially b6 that is fundamental to protein synthesis.
4. Let us not forget calcium, the primary DNA formation promoter.
5. it very good for 90 minutes. After that you must eat more hydrates in order to support the sinthesis of the 50g that you took after workout. Your body refuels it self in a "5% every to hours" (hydrates of course).
6. Eat the 2 meal after workout (100g rice 100g chicken breast) with some fruit (citric preferably) and before going to bed another shake with milk with protein. By this time it will be absorved slower so it is the perfect last meal for the day.
Hope this helps.
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Well... I remember reading something like you wrote in your post anda I remember something about it.
My choiche for milk has several reasons:
1. As you well know our body needs fat to promote test production. Low fat milk has enogh fat to enhance such process without storing fat.
2. Milk has enough hydrates to mantain your protein synthesis balance during the "anabolic" window created by workout, which allows insulin to directly discharge aminos into your bloodstream and feed the cells.
3. It is rich in B vitamines, especially b6 that is fundamental to protein synthesis.
4. Let us not forget calcium, the primary DNA formation promoter.
5. it very good for 90 minutes. After that you must eat more hydrates in order to support the sinthesis of the 50g that you took after workout. Your body refuels it self in a "5% every to hours" (hydrates of course).
6. Eat the 2 meal after workout (100g rice 100g chicken breast) with some fruit (citric preferably) and before going to bed another shake with milk with protein. By this time it will be absorved slower so it is the perfect last meal for the day.
Hope this helps.
Interesting "food for thought." Thanks.
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Hit up www.trueprotein.com (http://www.trueprotein.com) True Protein has the best products I have tried, their prices are low, and unlike the vast majority of supplement companies, they are completely honest with their customers...
Whatever you do, don't spend a cent on muscletech products.
I second this. Also, use Discount Code: BTR777 for 5% off.
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I second this. Also, use Discount Code: BTR777 for 5% off.
Haha I see you are advertising your discount code... Why are you anonymous? Show thyself!
I am also just trying out waxy maize. (I got a free pound of the stuff!) All the side effects that people were warning about aren't there, and I guess I will have to wait a while longer to see the exact benefits.
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I use Prolab N-Large II as a post-workout shake.
I've heard it has too much sugar though to use more than that though.
What are peoples thoughts on this protein powder?
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hey you guys want to throw up some sites you like to use for supplements with good products but with a good price cause im not sure which sites are legit and some have helllof good deals thanks!
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So today was my first time drinking the new protein i got...the ON 100% whey gold standard one...
i was surprised at how good it tasted, not like a protein supplement but like a smoothie...i put 12 ounces of that Dole 100% Juice if u know what that is it has pinaple, banana and orange in it and one scoop of protein powder and blended it. Seriously if they sold it at juice and java as a smoothie i would buy it just for the taste. As for results...ill see how it goes but i love the taste of it.
hey you guys want to throw up some sites you like to use for supplements with good products but with a good price cause im not sure which sites are legit and some have helllof good deals thanks!
check out www.bodybuilding.com they are way cheaper than GNC. there might be cheaper sites out there though.
I use Prolab N-Large II as a post-workout shake.
I've heard it has too much sugar though to use more than that though.
What are peoples thoughts on this protein powder?
do u like the taste of it?? what flavor did u get? i once had a sample of it (oatmeal flavored) and i hated the taste of it...and it did not mix too well without a blender.
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do u like the taste of it?? what flavor did u get? i once had a sample of it (oatmeal flavored) and i hated the taste of it...and it did not mix too well without a blender.
Chocolate.
I love it.
I use one of those shaker cups and it works well.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/shaker.html
I just wish the shaker cups were a bit bigger, occasionally some powder does get stuck at the top and I have to bang the cup to get it down.
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Hit up www.trueprotein.com (http://www.trueprotein.com) they are completely honest with their customers...
how do you know this? have you ever tested their products? a lab analysis on one batch doesn't say anything for the 100's of other batches.
You do realize they are in business to make a profit off of you and make money like anyone else right? Why makes you think they would be in the business to make less money (profit) than anyone else.
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I like muscle milk RTD's. and I also like cytosports muscle milk powder form. I also enjoy me some ON whey from time to time.
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I like muscle milk RTD's. and I also like cytosports muscle milk powder form. I also enjoy me some ON whey from time to time.
Muscle Milk tastes like candy but the price just aint right. Not only that but the fat content is a bit high. I used it PW and for that I loved it!
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how do you know this? have you ever tested their products? a lab analysis on one batch doesn't say anything for the 100's of other batches.
You do realize they are in business to make a profit off of you and make money like anyone else right? Why makes you think they would be in the business to make less money (profit) than anyone else.
Of course they are a business, not a charity... but find me one instance where true protein lied or used "misleading" advertising.. now find me one muscletech ad that does NOT contain any lies...
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ON whey gold, chocolate flavored is my favorite by far
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Great post! Also very true! Don't even consider spending a single cent on M.T. Inc products. Be smarter that that.
Trueprotein.com or my 2 favorite companies are Beverly International or Pride Nutrition.
Beverly International is a good company but a bit above my "Budget" I usually purchase Opt's Cookies & Cream and ocassionaly Muscle Milk. Straight outta "K-Town" 8)
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what ones have u had good experiences with?
I use Optimum’s Pro-Complex as my primary mix.
It’s got several forms of glutamine
13+ grams of BCAA’s
Aminogen & Lactase, which are enzymes to help your body more efficiently break down, digest and effectively utilize the aminos in the proteins you eat.
The protein blend consists of 4 different whey’s plus egg albumen.
260 cal.
2 g fat
3 g carbs
Made with Splenda.
The whey and amino acids make it a great post w.o. drink. You can always add some honey or other simple carbs if you wish. I still shoot to get a good, solid meal in me within an hour after training, though.
The egg alb. is a bit slower on the absorption side and makes it a great bedtime or “between meals” drink.
You can also throw in ½ cup of oats to slow the absorption even more.
It mixes easily for me in a shaker bottle with water or milk.
Doesn’t bother my gut.
Least important (but still a plus) is it tastes pretty good, too.
It’s a bit more pricey than the cheap stuff, but you DO get a lot for your money.
Shop around, and you can usually find a pretty good deal.
And the $$ isn’t nearly as horrific as the products from another well known company
(I won’t name names, but let’s just say it rhymes with HUSTLE-TECH).
Anyway, realize that you're not drinking chocolate flavored steroids, but if the rest of your diet and everything else is good, I believe you’ll see some favorable results.
Hope that helps some.
If you try it, let me know what you think.
Monty
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Of course they are a business, not a charity... but find me one instance where true protein lied or used "misleading" advertising.. now find me one muscletech ad that does NOT contain any lies...
I didn't say they were lying or misleading. I just said, unless you randomly test batches on a consistent basis, you never know what is in the package. Even if it is a wholesaler like True Protein.
Muscle Tech products actually tested up to label claims last I heard. Good enough for me, even though I do not nor ever have used any of their products. At least you're getting what's on the label. If a consumer isn't smart enough to buy a product by what's in it and buys instead based upon what the advertising says it can do, that's their problem, they need to educate themselves.
True Proteins prices are competitive, but nothing special. Every batch of Labrada's products get tested. I'd rather buy his ProV-60 than get stuff in a food service bag, that isn't tested.
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Just stick with the whole foods (imo) and you'll do fine. All those MRP's and Whey's are just garbage. It's all marketing and they don't work.
If you really want a powder, use skim milk powder. I swear by it! Mix it with oats and cinnemon, use your imagination - whatever - you'll be surprised how much better whole foods are.
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Just stick with the whole foods (imo) and you'll do fine. All those MRP's and Whey's are just garbage. It's all marketing and they don't work.
If you really want a powder, use skim milk powder. I swear by it! Mix it with oats and cinnemon, use your imagination - whatever - you'll be surprised how much better whole foods are.
So whey protein doesn't work . . . Is there a study perhaps that you'd like to point us to?
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Just stick with the whole foods (imo) and you'll do fine. All those MRP's and Whey's are just garbage. It's all marketing and they don't work.
lol...ok thanks for the info...tossing out all my protein powders right now... ::)
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lol...ok thanks for the info...tossing out all my protein powders right now... ::)
Ditto. Let's give thanks to the "Flat Earth Society" for their contribution to this board.
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I don't care about what a study by a protein powder company says. I'll stick with my "whole foods."
The "whole foods" movement is growing, and you can't stop it. Nobody can!
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So let's see, "Whole Foods" means according to your prior posts consuming vitamins, mineral tablets, tribulus and even . . . [gasp] whey protein powder! Long live the Whole Foods Revolution . . .
"If you can get it at a grocery store, it's considered natural. Whey, creatine, tribulus, psudoephedrine, vit. and minerals can all be bought at my local Ind. grocer. Oh, yeah, caffeine pills and green tea are readilly available too. " See Rhino's Post # 36 Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Define natural bodybuilder. on: August 18, 2006, 10:39:46 AM
"I find it's cheaper just to buy a protein powder with glutamine."
See Rgino's Post # 52 Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: glutamine...more than just muscle recovery on: August 05, 2006, 02:06:11 AM
"I'm willing to bet that if you take in protein powder before bed you'll be covered." See Rhino's Post # 61 Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: glutamine...more than just muscle recovery on: August 04, 2006, 11:04:19 AM
"I take 3, 500mg Now Tribulus along with 3 saw pallmeto pills every morning before I hit the gym." See Rhino's post # 71 Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / tribulus??
"I take regular zinc tabs first thing in the morning on an empty stomach before eating . . . " See Rhino's post # 89 Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: ZMA is amazing!!!!,,Has this happened to you also? on: July 02, 2006, 01:38:29 AM
"I've always been happy with my reg. vitamins." See Rhino's post # 35 Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: WHAT VITAMINS DO YOU TAKE OR NEED? on: August 18, 2006, 11:06:56 AM
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They discontinued my protein at Costco! >:(
Back to Optimum 100% Whey! :D
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Yeah, well I'm smarter now. I hung with a National competitor awhile back, and I learned the truth about what works. I'm telling you: take that money and spend it on food!!!
Oh yeah, and juice helped him a little too. Even he admits that.
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Probably get hell for this.....but GNC's 100% whey protein is decent priced. When I worked their in college, Optimum Nutrition actually manufactured the stuff for Gnc....or at least that's what we were told....dont' know if it's still true, but ....I've tried the GNC stuff and It's absolutely identical in taste to the ON stuff.
I was told by a GNC manager that Prolab manufactures the GNC protein. He seemed to know alot about other stuff. It could be wrong, but it wasn't the first time I heard it either.
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By the whey, I don't like wasting money. If u buy that value crap, u might as well be drinking Quik, or blend up your money and pour it down the drain. You want real protein? Go with a Beverly International product like Muscle Provider, or UMP, both from Beverly. Also, my personal favorite is Syntha-6 by BSN. I've tried all the protein products over the years, from ON's 100% Whey, to Musclemilk, and nothing has kept my waist leaner, while adding muscle better than these products. Spend the extra cash. Better to put your money into something that works, than throw it away on that value crap! Just my experience, and opinion.
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THE BEAST USES VITAMIN SHOPPE BRAND OF PROTIEN. 5LBS FOR $24..THEN I MIX IN CREATINE FROM TARGET...BODY FORTRESS 5LBS FOR $12...MIX IT ALL UP AND ITS ALL GOOD...... ;D ;D
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By the whey, I don't like wasting money. If u buy that value crap, u might as well be drinking Quik, or blend up your money and pour it down the drain. You want real protein? Go with a Beverly International product like Muscle Provider, or UMP, both from Beverly. Also, my personal favorite is Syntha-6 by BSN. I've tried all the protein products over the years, from ON's 100% Whey, to Musclemilk, and nothing has kept my waist leaner, while adding muscle better than these products. Spend the extra cash. Better to put your money into something that works, than throw it away on that value crap! Just my experience, and opinion.
Or you can just eat real food. \
long live whole foods.
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Or you can just eat real food. \
long live whole foods.
get back to the kitchen. your chicken breast is burning ::)
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anyone use caesin (sp?) before bed? if so what kind? seem beneficial?
errr....yeah...It's called cottage cheese and/or yogurt. ;D
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errr....yeah...It's called cottage cheese and/or yogurt. ;D
Well, it's found in cottage cheese. Breaks down slowly so eating some before bed can help minimize catabolism while sleeping.
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n-large2 is good stuff. if you are a "hardgainer" you can try mega mass 4000. (i think that's the name) it has something like 82 grams of protein per serving! ;)
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While there is some research pointing to soy as an effective protein source, it has somewhat of a checkered reputation for my taste. I stick with whey (most easily absorbed) and then milke or egg based protein for nighttime consumption.
I'm with you on that one. Some studies say it's gender specific meaning guys get the testosterone and woman get estrogen's benefits, but I'm not convinced and will stick to milk based proteins, although I'm kinda interested in the hemp based protein. I haven't seen it anywhere, but the benefits and amino's in hemp have been universally expounded.
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I'm kinda interested in the hemp based protein. I haven't seen it anywhere, but the benefits and amino's in hemp have been universally expounded.
Interesting. Any details or links you'd like to share?
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no shit. i get tired of all the jackasses and their 'whole food' crap. not everyone has the time to eat 10 whole food meals a day.
try Optimum Nutrition. tastes great and is reasonably priced
I just got some yesterday, a 5-lb jug for $20. Optimum's 100% Whey Gold Standard is good stuff. Other good products are GNC 100% Whey Protein and Soy & Whey Protein, especially if it's marked down and you get it during Gold Card week. EAS MyoPro Protein is also a good buy.